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| gsagie | #startmeeting kuryr | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 14:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gsagie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kuryr' | 14:00 |
| gsagie | Hello everyone, who is here to the meeting? | 14:00 |
| vikasc | o/ | 14:00 |
| limao | o/ | 14:00 |
| gsagie | i assume we are going to have a quick one as some people couldnt come today | 14:00 |
| gsagie | #info vikasc, limao, gsagie in the meeting | 14:00 |
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| gsagie | and since we are currently in kind of transition phase | 14:01 |
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| gsagie | #topic kuryr-libnetwork refactor | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kuryr-libnetwork refactor (Meeting topic: kuryr)" | 14:01 | |
| gsagie | vikasc, the stage is yours | 14:01 |
| vikasc | thanks gsagie | 14:01 |
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| vikasc | split is over but issue is it is using kuryr-lib from external repo | 14:02 |
| gsagie | devvesa joining the meeting? | 14:02 |
| devvesa | gsagie: yes. | 14:02 |
| gsagie | #info devvesa in meeting as well | 14:02 |
| vikasc | functional tests need to be fixed yet | 14:02 |
| gsagie | vikasc: what is the problem? | 14:02 |
| apuimedo | I finally could make it | 14:03 |
| vikasc | i talked to Toni | 14:03 |
| apuimedo | thanks gsagie for chairing it though :P | 14:03 |
| gsagie | #chair apuimedo | 14:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: apuimedo gsagie | 14:03 |
| apuimedo | :-) | 14:03 |
| gsagie | apuimedo.. :) take the lead | 14:03 |
| vikasc | apuimedo suggested to make a release first | 14:03 |
| apuimedo | very well | 14:03 |
| apuimedo | vikasc: indeed | 14:03 |
| vikasc | yeah | 14:04 |
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| gsagie | release for Kuryr? | 14:04 |
| vikasc | yes | 14:04 |
| apuimedo | I think we're very close to that yes. | 14:04 |
| apuimedo | release for kuryr-lib (openstack/kuryr) | 14:04 |
| apuimedo | then kuryr-libnetwork and kuryr-kubernetes can depend on it | 14:04 |
| apuimedo | (more on kuryr-kubernetes on the next topic) | 14:04 |
| gsagie | okie, let me know which patch you want as HEAD and i can do it | 14:05 |
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| gsagie | even that i dont see why this is blocking us from just cloning and installing it in devstack (as long as we use devstack) | 14:05 |
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| apuimedo | gsagie: you actually have a point with that | 14:06 |
| vikasc | i also would like to discuss the process for merging the patches in kuryr-libnetwork which might have dependency on patch in kuryr-lib | 14:06 |
| apuimedo | devstack should probably get kuryr-lib master and kuryr-libnetwork master | 14:06 |
| vikasc | gsagie, devstack should be working | 14:06 |
| apuimedo | vikasc: the policy should be that it always goes first to kuryr-lib | 14:07 |
| apuimedo | so that the devstack tests can work | 14:07 |
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| apuimedo | but yes, it requires devstack to use master of both | 14:07 |
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| vikasc | tests on kuryr-libnetwork will keep failing until kuryr-lib patch will not merge | 14:07 |
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| gsagie | vikasc: do you have links for the reviews? so we can give them priority | 14:08 |
| gsagie | and review them faster | 14:08 |
| apuimedo | yes, it would be nice to solve this today | 14:08 |
| vikasc | gsagie, i will appreciate that | 14:08 |
| * vikasc detting link | 14:09 | |
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| vikasc | *getting | 14:09 |
| vikasc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342624/ | 14:09 |
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| vikasc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340147/ | 14:10 |
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| vikasc | these are patches for rest driver and rpc_driver for kuryr-lib | 14:10 |
| vikasc | corresponding patch for each is there in kuryr-libnetwork | 14:11 |
| apuimedo | vikasc: you want to have all kuryr-libnetwork usage go through rest?! | 14:11 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, i would prefer both options, rest and rpc | 14:12 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, changes for making it so are there in rpc_driver patch | 14:13 |
| apuimedo | can you expand a bit on both options, for reference of all | 14:13 |
| vikasc | sure | 14:13 |
| apuimedo | a request to libnetwork arrives | 14:13 |
| apuimedo | then, how the two flows differ | 14:13 |
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| vikasc | if configuration is done to use rest_driver | 14:14 |
| vikasc | neutron rest apis will be invoked | 14:14 |
| vikasc | which is similar to how we do today.. just a driver layer is introduced | 14:15 |
| vikasc | if configuration is done to use rpc | 14:15 |
| vikasc | neutron client on libnetwork side will be a rest client | 14:16 |
| vikasc | requests will be sent over amqp chaanel to rpc_server | 14:17 |
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| apuimedo | you mean that we'll have another server that will receive the calls | 14:17 |
| apuimedo | and will forward them to neutron | 14:17 |
| apuimedo | ? | 14:17 |
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| vikasc | apuimedo, exaclty | 14:17 |
| vikasc | and this rpc_server will be client to neutron then | 14:18 |
| vikasc | not the libnetwork | 14:18 |
| gsagie | i guess its done mostly for the case we want to have "Ravens" even for libnetwork | 14:18 |
| apuimedo | and where will the rpc server live? | 14:18 |
| gsagie | so not every node has access to Neutron, right? | 14:18 |
| apuimedo | openstack/kuryr? | 14:18 |
| apuimedo | gsagie: exactly | 14:18 |
| apuimedo | the rpc server should be in an admin owned M | 14:19 |
| apuimedo | *VM | 14:19 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, yes | 14:19 |
| vikasc | since it is common | 14:19 |
| vikasc | kuryr-k8s will also use it | 14:19 |
| apuimedo | cool | 14:19 |
| apuimedo | alright | 14:19 |
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| vikasc | rpc_server will be enhanced for supporting nested ontainer use case as well | 14:20 |
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| apuimedo | ok | 14:20 |
| vikasc | *container | 14:20 |
| apuimedo | #action apuimedo gsagie to review the rpc/rest patcher | 14:20 |
| apuimedo | *patches | 14:20 |
| apuimedo | they probably need better commit messages :P | 14:20 |
| apuimedo | anything else about libnetwork? | 14:20 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, sure will do | 14:20 |
| banix | hi; sorry for being late; will review too | 14:21 |
| apuimedo | thanks banix | 14:21 |
| vikasc | thanks banix | 14:21 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, nothing for now | 14:21 |
| apuimedo | #topic kuryr-kubernetes | 14:21 |
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| devvesa | hi apuimedo | 14:22 |
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| vikasc | i am setting up kuryr-k8s on a two node k8s cluster | 14:22 |
| vikasc | ATM raven is listening to events | 14:23 |
| vikasc | cin driver is to be configured yet | 14:23 |
| vikasc | *cni | 14:23 |
| apuimedo | devvesa: has a proposal to make | 14:23 |
| apuimedo | vikasc: how did you deploy? | 14:23 |
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| apuimedo | is irenab here? | 14:23 |
| devvesa | Yep. I am willing to push the code we have on midonet/kuryr on openstack/kuryr-kubernetes | 14:23 |
| devvesa | apuimedo: no. she is at the doctor now | 14:23 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, k8s cluster i deployed manually on vms | 14:24 |
| apuimedo | ok | 14:24 |
| vikasc | and then openstack i setup running controller on k8s-master and addtional neutron services on nodes | 14:24 |
| apuimedo | devvesa: The problem with that is that the repository already exists, so that's a lot of patches that will have to be pushed and reviewed one by one | 14:25 |
| gsagie | irenab: couldnt come | 14:25 |
| gsagie | irenab couldnt come | 14:25 |
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| vikasc | apuimedo, that might need to be restructure according to recent split | 14:25 |
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| apuimedo | vikasc: yes, at the very least, it should be made to use kuryr-lib | 14:26 |
| devvesa | my proposal is to move our fork (restructured) in a midonet/kuryr-kubernetes fork and then push it all in once | 14:26 |
| apuimedo | though I suspect it will be a very little change | 14:26 |
| devvesa | we know is not ready for production | 14:26 |
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| vikasc | apuimedo, yes irealised that when was setting it up | 14:26 |
| apuimedo | devvesa: you mean a single patch? | 14:26 |
| devvesa | yes. and start working from it | 14:27 |
| apuimedo | it would probably better to make at least one patch per component | 14:27 |
| devvesa | what do you mean 'component'? | 14:27 |
| devvesa | watcher? | 14:27 |
| apuimedo | watcher and each translator | 14:27 |
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| devvesa | As the community decides | 14:28 |
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| apuimedo | gsagie: banix: vikasc: what do you think? Single patch or one per component? | 14:28 |
| banix | the more patches the better | 14:29 |
| limao | +1 | 14:29 |
| vikasc | banix, +1 | 14:29 |
| apuimedo | banix: well, the more the better not always, if we did it in all the patches there is in midonet/kuryr it would never end :P | 14:29 |
| apuimedo | devvesa: is that okay for you? | 14:30 |
| gsagie | yeah, faster review | 14:30 |
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| devvesa | I know my proposal on a single patch is not very canonical, but it leads to a situation where you'll depend on my speed | 14:30 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, some bigger logical patches will be fine | 14:30 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, seperated by functionalities | 14:31 |
| devvesa | giving in less patches will let people to hands on and modify (there is a lot to modify) faster | 14:31 |
| apuimedo | devvesa: it's just the watcher and deps | 14:31 |
| apuimedo | and then one patch per translator | 14:31 |
| apuimedo | that should be like 4 or 5 patches, right? | 14:32 |
| devvesa | apuimedo: sounds good | 14:32 |
| apuimedo | thanks | 14:32 |
| devvesa | I will be on PTO mostly the rest of the week... so expect it by the week of 22th | 14:32 |
| apuimedo | looking forward to those a lot | 14:33 |
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| apuimedo | cool. I'll still be on holidays | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | but we'll try to review | 14:33 |
| apuimedo | vikasc: banix: I count on you for those reviews :P | 14:33 |
| banix | :)) | 14:33 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, :) | 14:33 |
| devvesa | Yeah, and don't be so hard, we know that is not production-ready code :) | 14:34 |
| devvesa | BTW, I've been working on a lot of documentation last week, so it may help to get more contributors... | 14:34 |
| apuimedo | yes, we have to do a lot of refactoring | 14:34 |
| apuimedo | but after those patches | 14:34 |
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| vikasc | apuimedo, anyways as i am setting up.. so already reviewing | 14:35 |
| vikasc | :) | 14:35 |
| apuimedo | cool | 14:35 |
| apuimedo | alright | 14:35 |
| devvesa | vikasc: I'll try to be more reachable since now (not this week :) ) If you have questions about deployment, please ask | 14:35 |
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| apuimedo | anything else about k8s? | 14:36 |
| vikasc | devananda, that will be really helpful | 14:36 |
| vikasc | devvesa, i might need your help on setting up driver | 14:36 |
| devvesa | vikasc: i can help you now on this :) | 14:37 |
| vikasc | devvesa, i will give a try myself first.. it looks straight forward | 14:37 |
| devvesa | well, after the meeting | 14:37 |
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| vikasc | devananda, i am not planning to work today :P | 14:37 |
| vikasc | oops | 14:37 |
| vikasc | devvesa, | 14:37 |
| apuimedo | good | 14:37 |
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| devvesa | vikasc: then tomorrow I will be available too | 14:38 |
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| vikasc | devvesa, great!! | 14:38 |
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| apuimedo | #topic open discussion | 14:38 |
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| apuimedo | anybody else has any other topic? | 14:38 |
| limao | Back to release kuryr-lib | 14:39 |
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| limao | I remembered last time apuimedo said it need keystone v3 patch merged | 14:39 |
| limao | then release it | 14:39 |
| apuimedo | limao: right | 14:39 |
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| apuimedo | I'm currently on holidays, but I hope I can get to finish it today/tomorrow | 14:40 |
| apuimedo | so then reviews | 14:40 |
| limao | so will the rpc_driver / rest_driver also in this scope? | 14:40 |
| apuimedo | and we can get to merging it | 14:40 |
| limao | cool! | 14:40 |
| apuimedo | vikasc: limao: I think it would be possible to have the kuryr-libnetwork rest_driver (which is status_quo) not need any change in kuryr-lib | 14:41 |
| limao | just want to understand the scope of the first release | 14:41 |
| apuimedo | make a 0.1.0 release | 14:41 |
| apuimedo | then make a 0.2.0 release | 14:41 |
| apuimedo | sorry | 14:41 |
| apuimedo | 1.0.0 | 14:41 |
| apuimedo | then 1.1.0 | 14:41 |
| limao | agree | 14:41 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, changes are needed. This is the patch for same https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342624/ | 14:42 |
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| vikasc | apuimedo, i mean changes for rest driver in kuryr-lib | 14:43 |
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| apuimedo | vikasc: ok. I understand | 14:44 |
| apuimedo | limao: vikasc: ok. Let's get those in for 1.0.0 too | 14:45 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, thanks.. I will keep addressing review comments as quickly as possible | 14:45 |
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| apuimedo | very well | 14:46 |
| apuimedo | any other topic? | 14:46 |
| apuimedo | #info kuryr-lib and kuryr-libnetwork to get the initial rest driver for 1.0.0 | 14:46 |
| limao | another quick question about MTU, did anyone tried to modify MTU in remote driver? | 14:47 |
| apuimedo | limao: I did not | 14:47 |
| limao | the network of neutron maybe vlan or overlay | 14:47 |
| apuimedo | we'd need some patch to allow modification on the neutron network, right? | 14:47 |
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| limao | I think it should be in docker | 14:48 |
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| limao | docker should load the mtu of neutron network | 14:48 |
| apuimedo | limao: I think it should have to be on both | 14:48 |
| apuimedo | kuryr should request the mtu size to neutron | 14:48 |
| apuimedo | and docker should set the mtu for the veth | 14:49 |
| apuimedo | with CNI and k8s I think we'll be able to do it all without docker help | 14:49 |
| limao | neutron mtu is caculated auto base on what segment it use | 14:50 |
| apuimedo | I thought that depended on with ml2 driver / plugin you use | 14:51 |
| apuimedo | but I have never tried it :P | 14:51 |
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| apuimedo | if that is the case, we'll need to ask docker for a patch that can read the mtu that we'd have to report | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | and that they set it on the veth | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | limao: ^^ | 14:52 |
| limao | yeah, for overlay driver in docker, it fixed recently | 14:53 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, docker rejected all my patches :( | 14:53 |
| limao | but it did not have similiar thing in remote driver | 14:53 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, which were needed for overlapping cidrs | 14:53 |
| vikasc | apuimedo, we will have to keep managing with current short term fix | 14:54 |
| apuimedo | limao: we'll push for the changes in the remote driver | 14:54 |
| apuimedo | limao: could you send to the mailing list an email describing the issue and with links to the pull requests that fixed it for the overlay driver | 14:55 |
| limao | cool, thanks, no question from me | 14:55 |
| apuimedo | so that we can push or maybe make a pull request? | 14:55 |
| limao | I have sent one last week | 14:55 |
| limao | I will update later in the thread | 14:56 |
| apuimedo | ok, thanks | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | I somehow missed it | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | sorry | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | time to close the meeting | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | thank you all for joining, devvesa gsagie vikasc banix! | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 14:57:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-08-15-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-08-15-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kuryr/2016/kuryr.2016-08-15-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
| gsagie | thanks for running the meeting apuimedo after all :) | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | gsagie: ;-) | 14:58 |
| devvesa | thanks! | 14:58 |
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| jimbaker | #startmeeting craton | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 15:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jimbaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'craton' | 15:01 |
| cmspence | o/ | 15:01 |
| Zucan | o/ | 15:01 |
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| jimbaker | cmspence, Zucan o/ | 15:02 |
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| jimbaker | #topic roll call | 15:02 |
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| jimbaker | cmspence, how were things while i was gone last week on vacation? | 15:03 |
| syed_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| jimbaker | syed_, hi | 15:03 |
| syed_ | hi jim | 15:03 |
| syed_ | i hope you are doing good | 15:03 |
| cmspence | jimbaker: good, I was at the castle with syed_ and jovon working with them to get their development environments working and ready to jump into development | 15:04 |
| jimbaker | yes, still working on timezone adjustment, but otherwise, fine | 15:04 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, good to hear! | 15:04 |
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| jimbaker | cmspence, is turvey back this week? | 15:06 |
| jimbaker | Mitschke is out on vacation | 15:06 |
| cmspence | jimbaker: I don't think so, I think he's out until NY | 15:06 |
| sigmavirus | o/ | 15:07 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, no problem. Mitschke set up a shared calendar for us to track vacation, travel - we will want to have Zucan and syed_ to join that | 15:07 |
| jimbaker | it's just a google cal | 15:08 |
| jimbaker | sigmavirus, hi | 15:08 |
| Zucan | Sure | 15:08 |
| syed_ | Sounds good | 15:08 |
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| jimbaker | ok, i think we can get going for today's meeting. hopefully sulo will join us later | 15:08 |
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| jimbaker | #topic action items | 15:09 |
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| jimbaker | so i just wanted to review last week's action items - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2016/craton.2016-08-08-15.01.html | 15:09 |
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| jimbaker | cmspence, you mentioned the status on working with horizon devs with your trip last week to the castle | 15:10 |
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| jimbaker | any further updates on that? | 15:10 |
| jimbaker | also updates on the breaking up of the CLI tasks? | 15:11 |
| cmspence | jimbaker: They have a personal repo here: https://github.com/ediardo/craton-ui. Review to move it into infra is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354274/1 and I have a demo video I'll post a link to when I can find it | 15:11 |
| cmspence | They were able to use sulo's data that he set up last week and should be making more progress this week | 15:12 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, thanks, i look forward to seeing that | 15:12 |
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| jimbaker | rainya, hi | 15:12 |
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| jimbaker | cmspence, how are they consuming inventory data? did you make progress on the python client? | 15:13 |
| cmspence | jimbaker: craton-dashboard demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7degc9OgcV8&feature=youtu.be | 15:13 |
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| cmspence | jimbaker: yes, making slow progress (due to lack of +2s). Worked with sulo to get a couple reviews merged. put a couple more out to get 1 entity complete and will work with syed_ and jovon (and sigmavirus depending on his availability) to get work done on the rest of the entities | 15:15 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, ok, that sounds like a need for me to do some reviewing | 15:15 |
| sigmavirus | I might be able to squeeze some reviews in | 15:16 |
| sigmavirus | This week should be a bit slower than recent ones | 15:16 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, please use #craton to alert me to these reviews, esp priorities - easy to miss | 15:16 |
| Zucan | I will see what I can do to help review too | 15:16 |
| sulo | o/ | 15:16 |
| jimbaker | sulo, hey | 15:16 |
| cmspence | jimbaker: will do | 15:16 |
| jimbaker | sulo, you have perfect timing | 15:16 |
| sulo | ohh horizon plugin looks nice/promising :) | 15:17 |
| jimbaker | next up in the action items i was reviewing (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2016/craton.2016-08-08-15.01.html) | 15:17 |
| sulo | cool .. i think both action items for me are done ... | 15:17 |
| jimbaker | was the stuff you were working on | 15:17 |
| sulo | review up in gerrit | 15:17 |
| jimbaker | nice | 15:17 |
| jimbaker | ok, once again, i know what i'm working on this week now that i'm back from vacation - reviews | 15:18 |
| jimbaker | which is awesome | 15:18 |
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| sulo | cmspence: why no data on the demo? ediardo still working with the setup i assume ? | 15:19 |
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| cmspence | sulo, that was his demo video from before he got it connected to data (August 5) | 15:19 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, ahh | 15:20 |
| sulo | gotcha, cool | 15:20 |
| cmspence | I'll ask him for another with data | 15:20 |
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| jimbaker | and also we have some reviews to complete re the python client api | 15:20 |
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| jimbaker | so that's for me, sigmavirus, and sulo to get some progress on | 15:20 |
| rainya | jimbaker, o/ and hihi | 15:21 |
| jimbaker | rainya, hi! | 15:21 |
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| jimbaker | we were just discussing the first gui demo, using horizon integration | 15:21 |
| jimbaker | still very much wip, but also very nice to see this getting outlined | 15:21 |
| rainya | indeed! | 15:22 |
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| jimbaker | cmspence, so either my audio needs to be fixed, or the next demo should have some narration | 15:22 |
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| Zucan | the demo is mimed. | 15:22 |
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| cmspence | jimbaker: yes I don't think any audio on that demo | 15:22 |
| jimbaker | Zucan, :) | 15:23 |
| ediardo | hey | 15:23 |
| jimbaker | ediardo, hi | 15:23 |
| ediardo | Hi! | 15:23 |
| ediardo | well, that video is soooo last week! | 15:24 |
| jimbaker | so to conclude: last week's action items are all complete | 15:24 |
| jimbaker | #topic midcycle meetup | 15:25 |
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| ediardo | There has been lots of rework on this plugin and looking forward to play with the data this week | 15:25 |
| jimbaker | ediardo, yeah, completely understood. and looking forward to it! | 15:25 |
| jimbaker | and also quite relevant to the midcycle meetup | 15:25 |
| ediardo | We tried curling the api and looks good, thank you! | 15:25 |
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| jimbaker | ediardo, we are seeing a common point in a project, where stuff just comes together | 15:27 |
| jimbaker | (which is much better than the opposite...) | 15:27 |
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| cmspence | jimbaker: just 3 of us going to midcycle? | 15:27 |
| ediardo | Ane that is?? | 15:27 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, turvey, and i will be attending the midcycle | 15:27 |
| jimbaker | i believe that's the full list of attendees | 15:28 |
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| jimbaker | ediardo, i'm speaking of integration | 15:28 |
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| jimbaker | so we have two days of craton specific sprinting, which we will do at openstack east | 15:29 |
| jimbaker | plus two days of meeting with operators | 15:29 |
| jimbaker | for the later: we have one working group session in the schedule | 15:29 |
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| jimbaker | obviously we will use that a starting point for interested operators | 15:30 |
| lcastell | o/ folks | 15:30 |
| palendae | I assume the operators midcycle isn't going to have video conferencing? | 15:30 |
| jimbaker | palendae, that would be my assumption | 15:31 |
| jimbaker | openstack in person meetings almost always are "in person only" | 15:31 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, anyway our action item is to prep for next week's midcycle, just so we have very clear messaging about what we are doing | 15:33 |
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| palendae | As an outsider, that would be valuable | 15:33 |
| Zucan | Should we log some action items for meetbot? | 15:33 |
| Zucan | 1) shared google calendar; 2) prep for midcycle? | 15:33 |
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| jimbaker | Zucan, sounds good | 15:36 |
| jimbaker | #action jimbaker works with Mitschke to get everyone on the google share calendar | 15:37 |
| jimbaker | "everyone" here means people actively working on craton, or would like to | 15:37 |
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| jimbaker | #action jimbaker, cmspence drive midcycle prep, including horizon demo | 15:38 |
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| jimbaker | i think that captures what we discussed | 15:38 |
| Zucan | agreed | 15:38 |
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| jimbaker | let's move on | 15:39 |
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| jimbaker | #topic open issues | 15:39 |
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| jimbaker | sulo, any highlights of work you are doing this week? | 15:39 |
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| sulo | well, much of it is pending the project structure change (pr in gerrit) but re: midcycle .. after chatting with soem folks in community | 15:40 |
| sulo | have asked to get a scrrencase .. so illbe preparing one for midcycle | 15:41 |
| sulo | eventhough i wont be there ;) | 15:41 |
| jimbaker | sulo, a screencast is especially helpful if you are no there :) | 15:41 |
| jimbaker | not | 15:41 |
| sulo | yeah .. agreed that is a good idea | 15:41 |
| sulo | also | 15:42 |
| sulo | folks please check out LP for issue | 15:42 |
| sulo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/craton | 15:42 |
| sulo | and for BP | 15:42 |
| jimbaker | sulo, i spent some time on the plane yesterday going the language we use to describe craton | 15:42 |
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| jimbaker | sulo, +100, it's an awkward interface, but we need to be looking at that tracker | 15:43 |
| sulo | jimbaker: cool, i think we need to work on our docs quite a lot | 15:43 |
| jimbaker | sulo, yeah, so much so | 15:43 |
| sulo | question that i am getting more and more is"where is the doc? " | 15:44 |
| jimbaker | sulo, it doesn't help to say in "our heads" ? ;) | 15:44 |
| sulo | and its not complete so if anyone want to help out there is a great way to get started too :) | 15:44 |
| sulo | jimbaker: yeah | 15:44 |
| sulo | well i've been passing RTD | 15:44 |
| Zucan | I have a question... so, what are the cases where we refer to this project as "Fleet Management" and when do we refer to it as "Craton"? | 15:44 |
| sulo | but its not complete .. | 15:44 |
| sulo | Zucan: Craton is the project name .. but is fleet management of openstack based cloud i guess is a good way to look at it | 15:45 |
| cmspence | craton: neutron :: fleet management: networking | 15:45 |
| Zucan | ok, that makes sense. | 15:45 |
| palendae | What fleet is it managing? | 15:46 |
| palendae | The infrastructure of your openstack cloud? | 15:46 |
| sulo | palendae: this is control plane infrastructure | 15:46 |
| palendae | Ok | 15:46 |
| sulo | not instances (vm) | 15:46 |
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| palendae | Seems like relying on things on top of the control plane to manage the control plane is a little awkward | 15:47 |
| jimbaker | sulo, so on the plane, i was specifically working on the docs around workflows. i think what is in RTD is sort of useful for inventory, and could be readily added to by others | 15:48 |
| jimbaker | but workflows is definitely are in yours and my heads at this point. we will get this changed. this week sounds good to me | 15:48 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, good analogy | 15:48 |
| jimbaker | palendae, so the way i think about it is that fleet management is about the same set of ops to your fleet in a systematic way | 15:48 |
| jimbaker | about DOING the same set of ops | 15:48 |
| sulo | palendae: not a fan of openstack on openstack :P ? | 15:48 |
| palendae | sulo, Not especially | 15:48 |
| jimbaker | palendae, in particular, we have a working implementation at rackspace that craton is consciously following | 15:48 |
| jimbaker | as a version 2 | 15:49 |
| sulo | palendae: but tbh we've been careful not to get tied to any cp services | 15:49 |
| sulo | including auth | 15:49 |
| palendae | sulo, What about this horizon dashboard? | 15:49 |
| sulo | palendae: you dont have to use it .. everything is though cli/api | 15:49 |
| jimbaker | palendae, all optional | 15:49 |
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| sulo | the UI part though plugin is optional | 15:50 |
| sulo | same with keystone for auth | 15:50 |
| jimbaker | worth mentioning this diagram: https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/160446/16780656/d216c66e-4834-11e6-8a9d-c15f5798cc81.png | 15:50 |
| jimbaker | (someone, namely jimbaker, should add this to the read the docs...) | 15:50 |
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| palendae | jimbaker, Yeah, jcannavale sent that to me last week | 15:50 |
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| jimbaker | sounds good | 15:50 |
| sulo | palendae: so the idea is to be able to host it outside of the CP plane, but be albe to do action on it | 15:51 |
| jimbaker | so keystone, barbican, horizon are all optional | 15:51 |
| jimbaker | so far these are the three openstack services we can see as being useful to integrate directly with craton | 15:51 |
| jimbaker | in addition, other services like neutron, cinder, and nova can be useful to add information about what is happening with respect to hosts/devices | 15:52 |
| sulo | anyway should move though other items here .. as we are running out of time | 15:52 |
| jimbaker | sulo, thanks, yes, let's move that to a follow up discussion in #craton | 15:52 |
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| jimbaker | cmspence, any other work this week you want to highlight? | 15:54 |
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| jimbaker | sulo, i will really try to get the var refactoring in this week | 15:55 |
| jimbaker | (too long delayed... and it's just alembic) | 15:55 |
| cmspence | just making a strong effort to complete as much crud for python/cli inventory entities | 15:55 |
| sulo | jimbaker: yes pls, few items dependent on that patch | 15:55 |
| jimbaker | sulo, thanks for making that case re prioritization | 15:56 |
| jimbaker | *easy to get distracted on other things* | 15:56 |
| jimbaker | :) | 15:56 |
| sulo | jimbaker: np, i think one item to discuss here is project structure | 15:56 |
| sulo | re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354649/ | 15:56 |
| jimbaker | cmspence, i think the one ask here is to look at the docs aspect of that tork | 15:57 |
| sulo | point to note | 15:57 |
| sulo | 1) single api endpoint for both inventory and workflow | 15:57 |
| sulo | 2) versioning will probably follow and will release cycle later on | 15:57 |
| jimbaker | sulo, right, some nice cleanup here | 15:57 |
| jimbaker | so we had discussed this in a dev call iirc and it made perfect sense | 15:58 |
| sulo | jimbaker: yeah, so if we all agree, i can follow up with workflow patches | 15:58 |
| jimbaker | sulo, yes | 15:58 |
| syed_ | Also guys, i am working over the API document as well and will be putting it up soon. | 15:58 |
| jimbaker | we are basically removing some early project struct cruft, before we knew what we were really doing :) | 15:58 |
| sulo | few items from my side needs that patch ... also important to get this done before the midcycle break .. i need this for my screencase ;) | 15:58 |
| sulo | syed_: ah yes .. thanks! | 15:59 |
| jimbaker | sulo, understood | 15:59 |
| syed_ | Have moved the Developer Install guide document and made some changes on it, its in review. Will be moving it to github openstack repo | 15:59 |
| jimbaker | ok, we are coming up to the end of this meeting | 15:59 |
| syed_ | so that we have install guide up there for the people who wanna play with craton | 15:59 |
| jimbaker | and we need to move all follow up discussion to #craton | 15:59 |
| jimbaker | thanks everyone! | 15:59 |
| jimbaker | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| sulo | thanks ! | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 15:59:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2016/craton.2016-08-15-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| syed_ | Thanks people | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2016/craton.2016-08-15-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/craton/2016/craton.2016-08-15-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
| Zucan | thx | 15:59 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, time for Ironic-neutron meeting | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting: ironic_neutron | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 16:01:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '__ironic_neutron' | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | jroll : are you here? | 16:02 |
| sambetts | jroll is not going to make this one | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:02 |
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| devananda | o/ | 16:02 |
| sambetts | o/ | 16:02 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 16:02 |
| hshiina | o/ | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_August_15.2C_2016 | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | feel free to add to Agenda anything you like | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Annoncements | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | I do not have any announcements - anybody? | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Update on the testing | 16:04 |
| sambetts | I saw you were asking about the inspector stuff last meeting | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | #undo | 16:04 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x7f5bc0bc7a50> | 16:04 |
| sambetts | That stuff both IPA side and Inspector side has merged | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts: yes - good to see you are here | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | we'll cover that in a bit | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Update on the testing | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | As you know I have been testing all the merged code for past two weeks | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | Everything seems to be working as expected | 16:06 |
| mjturek1 | o/ (sorry I'm late) | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | I had filed one bug last week - in case you did not see here it is - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1610389 | 16:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610389 in Ironic "IPA fails to pull image after reboot" [Undecided,New] | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | The good news is that it turns out to be a mount issue of swift images | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | Therefore, all is fine | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | I will be wrapping up the testing this week | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | Has anybody else done any testing of the latest code? | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | It will be good to share your experiences | 16:09 |
| hshiina | I tested when patches were almost merged. | 16:10 |
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| hshiina | not yet the latest code. | 16:10 |
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| hshiina | deploying succeeded with our ml2 driver. | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | cool - | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | I am building auto-test bed, where the testing will run 24x7 - as customers are ready to deploy this soon | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | I have been running tests back-to-back with forced failures to make sure things recover and work as expected | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | moving on..... | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Remaining work items | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | we identified three items to complete in this cycle | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | 1) port groups | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | 2) inspector | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | 3) Security groups | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts : we missed you past few weeks regarding items 1 and 2 | 16:15 |
| sambetts | So the inspector stuff has merged already | 16:15 |
| sambetts | LLDP stuff that is | 16:15 |
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| sambetts | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321082/ | 16:16 |
| sambetts | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320584/ | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | I saw that - that is really cool | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts: is there anything else left for this? | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | e.g. documentation or anything else? | 16:18 |
| sambetts | I need to do docs, and any vendors that have custom switch_info need to add their own processing hooks to process that | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts: I have not tested this part - If you can provide some guidance in that regard, I will incorporate into my testing | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | and provide feedback | 16:19 |
| sambetts | Sure, I'll put together some docs, and push them up for review so you can try it out | 16:20 |
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| Sukhdev | sambetts : cool - thanks. When you push them, just ping me - in case I miss them | 16:20 |
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| sambetts | ok :) | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | So, we are down to two items | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | port groups and security groups | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | I plan on working on security groups later this week | 16:23 |
| mjturek1 | Should we have tempest tests for portgroups before it merges? | 16:23 |
| mjturek1 | or can that be done after? | 16:24 |
| sambetts | Im unsure on the likelyhood of a Nova FFE for the portgroups work | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | we should strive to get the ironic patches | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | even if nova does not allow, we can push nova work in the early O-cycle | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | any thoughts? | 16:29 |
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| TheJulia | I think that should absolutely be the case | 16:29 |
| mjturek1 | +1 | 16:29 |
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| Sukhdev | we still have couple of weeks | 16:30 |
| sambetts | +1 | 16:31 |
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| mjturek1 | are there any glaring holes in the patches?https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347549 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332177 | 16:31 |
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| * sambetts needs to re-review | 16:32 | |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347549 | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332177 | 16:32 |
| devananda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332177 needs an addition to the api-ref | 16:32 |
| mjturek1 | devananda: will do | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | I will review these later as well - | 16:34 |
| mjturek1 | devananda do you mean 347549? 332177 has additions to the doc/source/webapi/v1.rst (not sure what else 332117 would need) | 16:34 |
| mjturek1 | we can wait for open discussion if it's more appropriate though | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | mjturek1 : this is good time to cover everything on this feature | 16:35 |
| devananda | mjturek1: I actually want to delete that page soon :) | 16:35 |
| mjturek1 | ahhhh | 16:35 |
| devananda | mjturek1: http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/baremetal/ | 16:36 |
| mjturek1 | devananda: oh cool | 16:36 |
| devananda | is a much better reference, as this is now in the openstack standard format | 16:36 |
| devananda | see ironic/api-ref/source/ | 16:36 |
| devananda | mjturek1: also, I have a patch up to make api-ref sample generation much easier - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353117/3/api-ref/regenerate-samples.sh | 16:36 |
| mjturek1 | nice :) | 16:36 |
| mjturek1 | alright, I'll work on docs for there | 16:36 |
| devananda | I'll take a look at the class changes in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347549 again today | 16:38 |
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| mjturek1 | thanks :) | 16:38 |
| * jroll is here now and reads back a bit | 16:38 | |
| devananda | Sukhdev, mjturek1: if portgroup support lands in ironic but not Nova, a) what functionality will actually work? b) how do we signal that to users? | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | devananda : in that case, in my opinion, we will not declare the feature to be available for general use | 16:40 |
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| Sukhdev | as soon nova side merges, then we announce the feature available - | 16:40 |
| jroll | I agree we won't get nova work done in newton, but should land the ironic side if possible, so we can do the nova bits in nova | 16:40 |
| mjturek1 | not entirely sure. You'll be able to create/update/etc the resource but not very useful | 16:40 |
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| mjturek1 | +1 for Sukhdev | 16:41 |
| devananda | Sukhdev: whether we "declare the feature available" or not doesn't change that this resource would be exposed in the API | 16:41 |
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| jroll | I agree (a) will be "nothing" | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | This gives us ability to test/bake the feture | 16:41 |
| devananda | and the REST API doesn't have a means to signal "this endpoint is non-functional" | 16:41 |
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| * jroll or "nothing" from the POV of booting an instance via nova | 16:42 | |
| devananda | jroll: right - so, will it have an impact on neutron, or the node's network configuration? | 16:42 |
| devananda | if we land this feature, and someone starts creating portgroups in Ironic.... what happens? | 16:43 |
| jroll | devananda: I think that's a general problem we have; see also current console work, or the same problem earlier this cycle with local_link_info or network_interface | 16:43 |
| devananda | jroll: I agree - and each case is a little different | 16:43 |
| jroll | devananda: right, it's a good question. it's probably possible to break things | 16:43 |
| * jroll needs more coffee for this one | 16:43 | |
| devananda | Sukhdev: I can wait until opendiscussion for this question - it might be a can'o'worms :) | 16:44 |
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| Sukhdev | Lets get to Open Discussion - as there is nothing more on the agenda | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:45 |
| jroll | devananda: I think the actual question is "how do we message that", given we can't land ironic and nova pieces at the same time :) | 16:45 |
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| Sukhdev | so, we can deal this with two ways: | 16:45 |
| mjturek1 | would Notes in the documentation and log warnings be enough? | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | 1) document that the feature is not available until O-cycle - and merge the ironic code | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | 2) merge the code and let it fail | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | if somebody tries to use it | 16:46 |
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| devananda | Sukhdev: I think those are the same option | 16:47 |
| sambetts | well it is availible to standalone users right? | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | sambetts: right | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | or the folks who want to test this feature prior to production deployments, this gives them a way to get head start | 16:48 |
| devananda | mjturek1: log messages aren't visible to users (only to operators) | 16:48 |
| mjturek1 | ah true | 16:48 |
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| devananda | my concern is landing an API that we've been talking about for literally over a year, but that causes 'nova boot' to flat out fail if it is used | 16:49 |
| devananda | console is different in that respect - nova may not be taking advantage of it, but it shouldn't (AFAIK) interfere with Nova | 16:49 |
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| devananda | nova has had similar challenges when introducing experimental features | 16:51 |
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| devananda | sambetts: is there much use for this feature in our non-Nova use cases? | 16:52 |
| jroll | yeah, I think we need to figure out exactly how hard it breaks | 16:53 |
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| jroll | devananda: LAG/MLAG/bonding? yes | 16:53 |
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| Sukhdev | jroll devananda : I know one vendor who tried to use it - the instance does not go past the first boot | 16:55 |
| devananda | could we land something in Nova that fails fast, with clear messages, if portgroups are in use? | 16:56 |
| jroll | Sukhdev: yeah, that's my best guess | 16:56 |
| TheJulia | even if it fails fast, would it be visible to an end user aside from scheduling failed? | 16:56 |
| devananda | I would be fine with the lack of nova support if the failure mode is clear | 16:56 |
| jroll | the sad part is the end user would see the error but can't do anything | 16:57 |
| jroll | and the operator would never know | 16:57 |
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| devananda | jroll: yea - but we could log big bold things for the operator at that point | 16:57 |
| jroll | indeed | 16:57 |
| devananda | since it is the operator who shouldn't be using portgroups with that nova virt driver | 16:57 |
| devananda | so, I think we will need to land something in our virt driver to clearly communicate that it can't deploy to a Node that has portgroups | 16:58 |
| devananda | jroll: think nova will let that get in this late? | 16:58 |
| devananda | no change in functionality - just a check-and-fail-fast | 16:58 |
| jroll | devananda: don't see why not, as it's just a sanity check sort of thing that we'll remove next cycle | 16:59 |
| devananda | I think that covers all my concerns about landing this feature in Ironic but not Nova | 16:59 |
| jroll | devananda: the weird part is we can't tell it has portgroups until we land these api changes | 16:59 |
| devananda | (that and docs, i mean) | 16:59 |
| jroll | we're at time | 17:00 |
| devananda | jroll: right. and the API version bump | 17:00 |
| jroll | y | 17:00 |
| jroll | ya* | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | folks, it is time - | 17:01 |
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| Sukhdev | thanks for attending - | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 17:01:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__ironic_neutron/2016/__ironic_neutron.2016-08-15-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__ironic_neutron/2016/__ironic_neutron.2016-08-15-16.01.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/__ironic_neutron/2016/__ironic_neutron.2016-08-15-16.01.log.html | 17:02 |
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| tonyb | #startmeeting stable | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 15 21:01:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 21:02 |
| tonyb | It's a long shot but is there anyone here for the stable meeting? | 21:02 |
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| tonyb | #endmeeting | 21:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 15 21:10:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-08-15-21.01.html | 21:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-08-15-21.01.txt | 21:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-08-15-21.01.log.html | 21:10 |
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