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| piet_ | #startmeeting openstack_ux | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jul 22 15:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is piet_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ux' | 15:00 |
| piet_ | Morning | 15:00 |
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| uxdanielle | Hi :) | 15:01 |
| piet_ | Morning | 15:01 |
| piet_ | Let's wait a few minutes | 15:01 |
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| piet_ | Got your email | 15:02 |
| uxdanielle | cool | 15:02 |
| julim | hi | 15:02 |
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| piet_ | Hi julim | 15:02 |
| julim | hi piet_ | 15:02 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 15:02 |
| piet_ | had an interesting mtg with the OpenStack event planning yesterday | 15:03 |
| piet_ | More later, but potential source for tons of people for research | 15:03 |
| piet_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/UX#Next_meeting | 15:03 |
| piet_ | #topic Cores | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cores (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:04 | |
| piet_ | Still have created a guideline, so not much to say yet | 15:04 |
| piet_ | Still "haven't" | 15:04 |
| piet_ | Assuming no questions | 15:05 |
| piet_ | #topic ongoing research | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ongoing research (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:05 | |
| piet_ | uxdanielle Anything to add on the App Developer study? | 15:06 |
| uxdanielle | Other than we are desperately trying to schedule more participants, no updates | 15:06 |
| piet_ | How may have we had? | 15:07 |
| uxdanielle | Two that weren't really a fit, and one that was mostly a fit. | 15:07 |
| piet_ | Kk | 15:07 |
| piet_ | Did Craige and Patricia watch the one that mostly fit? | 15:07 |
| uxdanielle | I believe so. That was the most recent one. Craig commented that he had gotten some good feedback | 15:08 |
| piet_ | uxdanielle ? | 15:08 |
| piet_ | Kk | 15:09 |
| piet_ | What's interesting is that the "App Ecosystem WG" is still trying to define an App Developer which kind of impacts recruiting | 15:09 |
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| uxdanielle | Yeah I noticed that discussion got reopened | 15:10 |
| robcresswell | Has anyone tried going to the openstack meetups/conferences/bug smashes etc? | 15:10 |
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| piet_ | robcresswell To recruit of run studeis? | 15:10 |
| piet_ | "or" | 15:10 |
| robcresswell | recruit, make contacts etc | 15:10 |
| uxdanielle | I went to the Austin OpenStack meetup last night. But fewer attendees - 7 or 8 people. Nobody I talked to seemed to fit the App Dev criteria but at least they know I exist now | 15:11 |
| robcresswell | wow, thats surprisingly small :( | 15:11 |
| uxdanielle | I also posted about the study on the message board, so there's potential there. Reached out to a few friends also | 15:11 |
| piet_ | Coincidentally, I did meet with the events coordinator for OpenStack yesterday in Dillon, CO | 15:11 |
| uxdanielle | It's July in Texas...people are too hot to do any kinds of activities ;) | 15:11 |
| piet_ | Turns out that the foundation has a list of anyone that has let them scan their page at a conference | 15:12 |
| piet_ | I just need to work with them a bit to distribute the recruitment screener | 15:13 |
| uxdanielle | Nice | 15:13 |
| piet_ | Big win if we can pull it off | 15:13 |
| piet_ | Well over 2k | 15:13 |
| piet_ | Anything else for this topic? | 15:13 |
| uxdanielle | Help research? | 15:14 |
| piet_ | #topic Help/Documentation research | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Help/Documentation research (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:14 | |
| piet_ | uxdanielle Updates? | 15:14 |
| uxdanielle | Had one participant yesterday (another cancelled). One more later this afternoon and 5 more scheduled for next week | 15:14 |
| piet_ | Kk | 15:15 |
| piet_ | Anyone watching the sessions? | 15:15 |
| uxdanielle | No although I invited Laura (and Lana, to the session that will be at 8pm) and she will attend where possible | 15:15 |
| piet_ | Kk - wee need to expand the list of observers so we get buy-in | 15:16 |
| uxdanielle | We'll meet with the group of students that expressed interest in observing/taking notes this afternoon, so they may also attend future sessions | 15:16 |
| uxdanielle | Who should I contact about that? | 15:16 |
| piet_ | thinking | 15:16 |
| piet_ | Ju | 15:16 |
| piet_ | Anne Gentle? | 15:17 |
| piet_ | Maybe Alex | 15:17 |
| piet_ | Few other people in docs | 15:17 |
| piet_ | Reach-out to me later | 15:17 |
| uxdanielle | Docs team? Or recommendations on who should watch from Lana | 15:18 |
| uxdanielle | Okay | 15:18 |
| piet_ | Ask Lana, but may have you send an email to a few folks to see if they are interested | 15:18 |
| piet_ | Alexandra Settle is also a good candidate | 15:19 |
| piet_ | Joseph Robinson | 15:19 |
| piet_ | How did the first interview go? Who did you chat with? | 15:19 |
| julim | happy to help piet_ uxdanielle | 15:19 |
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| uxdanielle | It went really well. Spoke with a guy named Charles from Intel - he has a unique experience as he will often look at the code to troubleshoot problems, likely not representative of most operators | 15:20 |
| piet_ | Maybe... | 15:21 |
| uxdanielle | Notes here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-helpP2 | 15:21 |
| uxdanielle | Some good nuggets though | 15:21 |
| piet_ | Not the first one that mentioned looking at code as I recall | 15:21 |
| uxdanielle | Haha, that's what he thought himself. Let's see what the others say | 15:22 |
| piet_ | Coolio...adding more observers within the community is a priority - otherwise no buy-in | 15:22 |
| julim | I think it would probably not be uncommon for folks to look at code to solve | 15:22 |
| julim | as to do openstack successfully you've to embrace devops | 15:22 |
| julim | by that, you've got to have a developer mindset to be successful | 15:23 |
| piet_ | julim can you recommend any devops people? | 15:23 |
| uxdanielle | Interesting...good to know Ju | 15:23 |
| julim | for what? | 15:23 |
| piet_ | Maybe the first two folks from the App Devloper study? | 15:24 |
| piet_ | julim For the help interviews | 15:24 |
| uxdanielle | Planning etherpad here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-help | 15:24 |
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| piet_ | uxdanielle How much feedback did Lana and the other stakeholder have on the study plan? | 15:25 |
| julim | how many participants do you still need | 15:25 |
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| piet_ | Not many at all...maybe two | 15:25 |
| uxdanielle | We filled out a lot more questions for the guide at the meeting on Wednesday. | 15:25 |
| piet_ | uxdanielle just wanted to make sure they have some owenership | 15:26 |
| uxdanielle | Yes. They added some good things to the guide | 15:26 |
| piet_ | Kk | 15:27 |
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| piet_ | julim Also thinking about a study to understand how people thing about their customer | 15:28 |
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| julim | I might be able to find 1-2 people... | 15:29 |
| piet_ | julim DevOps | 15:29 |
| julim | regarding how people think about their customer _piet will have to do with industry | 15:29 |
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| julim | e.g. a nfv/telco vs. enterprise vs. university | 15:29 |
| piet_ | julim Exactly | 15:30 |
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| piet_ | Maybe have the foundation drive this one? Intel may also have some resource internally | 15:30 |
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| julim | would need to know what problem we are trying to solve... | 15:31 |
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| julim | and goal | 15:31 |
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| piet_ | Yeah...still need to work on definition. I just thinking a high level understanding of "customer" is important | 15:31 |
| uxdanielle | Agree...Piet we should have a discussion about this especially if the research is being scheduled for August | 15:32 |
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| piet_ | uxdanielle May push-off and have a marketing group handle this... | 15:32 |
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| piet_ | uxdanielle But we need a plan | 15:32 |
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| uxdanielle | Yeah | 15:33 |
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| piet_ | #topic | 15:33 |
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| piet_ | Damn it | 15:33 |
| piet_ | #topic UX guidelines | 15:33 |
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| piet_ | The GUI Guideline, GUI text Guideline and Personas will be combined into a UX section in the Developer Guideline | 15:35 |
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| robcresswell | GUI and personas are being combined? | 15:35 |
| piet_ | GUI Guideline has been posted for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345930 | 15:36 |
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| piet_ | robcresswell Into the same section in the Developer Guidelines. The docs haven't been combined | 15:36 |
| robcresswell | Ah oka | 15:36 |
| robcresswell | okay* | 15:36 |
| piet_ | julim Need eyes on the personas doc https://review.openstack.org/326662 | 15:38 |
| piet_ | Worried they may have embelished | 15:38 |
| julim | will look piet_ | 15:38 |
| piet_ | julim Thanks | 15:39 |
| julim | np | 15:39 |
| piet_ | julim Need Jeff C. looking as well as the PMs | 15:39 |
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| piet_ | #topic | 15:40 |
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| piet_ | #topic Design Reviews | 15:40 |
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| piet_ | Moving to pholio https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340641/2/specs/pholio.rst | 15:41 |
| piet_ | Started to archive current projects in Invision | 15:41 |
| piet_ | Which is like pulling teeth very slowly without anything to numb you | 15:42 |
| piet_ | An angel cries every time I open Invision | 15:42 |
| piet_ | So, we are also likely moving to limesurvey.org for our survey software | 15:43 |
| piet_ | open source and very mature | 15:43 |
| piet_ | uxdanielle julim You future may included learning limesurvey and pholio | 15:44 |
| piet_ | robcresswell Your future will include learning pholio | 15:44 |
| uxdanielle | Will check them out | 15:44 |
| julim | ack piet_ | 15:45 |
| piet_ | uxdanielle Alex liked your comments in Invision | 15:45 |
| uxdanielle | Great :) | 15:45 |
| piet_ | #topic summit presentation | 15:45 |
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| piet_ | "Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!: Developing the ultimate help system for OpenStack Operators " has been submitted | 15:46 |
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| piet_ | "Understanding our OpenStack Application Developers" has been submitted | 15:46 |
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| piet_ | "Four studies, one conclusion: Who is an OpenStack user?" has been submitted | 15:47 |
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| piet_ | "Lost in a Forest of Users: Five Paths to User-Driven Development" has unfortunately been submitted | 15:47 |
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| piet_ | "A look into the future: A consistent OpenStack GUI" has been submitted | 15:48 |
| piet_ | Just an FYI | 15:48 |
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| piet_ | #topic College projects | 15:49 |
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| piet_ | uxdanielle and I have been talking to some college programs about having students do design work | 15:50 |
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| piet_ | robcresswell uxdanielle julim Need recommendations on topics for the students like a proposal for a new overview panel | 15:51 |
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| piet_ | #topic open floor | 15:52 |
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| piet_ | Anything else? | 15:52 |
| piet_ | 5 | 15:52 |
| uxdanielle | Oh the OSIC project | 15:53 |
| julim | piet_ student topic: devise workflow for sahara (at least for the 2 main personas) | 15:53 |
| piet_ | julim Can you descirbe sahara | 15:53 |
| julim | piet_ identify inconsistency areas and provide recommendation for fixes | 15:53 |
| julim | piet_ workflow is virtually non-existent or broken | 15:53 |
| robcresswell | Are they familiar with openstack? Overview really needs to come from ops | 15:54 |
| piet_ | robcresswell Naw - there needs to be a high level overview. I also need to provide people for them to interview | 15:55 |
| piet_ | crazy kids | 15:55 |
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| julim | sahara is the big data app in horizon | 15:55 |
| piet_ | What a GUI for creating heat templates? | 15:55 |
| piet_ | julim Kk | 15:55 |
| julim | the sahara folks asked for help | 15:55 |
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| robcresswell | Yeah, they have a workflow atm that has potentially something like 30 steps | 15:56 |
| robcresswell | and growing | 15:56 |
| robcresswell | depending on config. | 15:56 |
| julim | yes needs to be streamlined and simplified | 15:56 |
| julim | too long and complex | 15:56 |
| piet_ | Kk | 15:56 |
| julim | needs to be opinionated | 15:56 |
| piet_ | refstack also asked for help | 15:56 |
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| piet_ | Anything else? | 15:57 |
| piet_ | 5 | 15:57 |
| piet_ | 4 | 15:57 |
| uxdanielle | Did some tasks with Horizon with OSIC students and administered ratings/got feedback. Writing a report that should be finished early next week | 15:57 |
| piet_ | 3 | 15:57 |
| piet_ | Oh yeah! Big win! | 15:57 |
| uxdanielle | Potential for future collaboration also | 15:58 |
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| piet_ | Tell robcresswell and julim about this! | 15:58 |
| piet_ | uxdanielle Any high level findings? | 15:58 |
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| piet_ | Or too soon? | 15:58 |
| julim | have to jump off. need to go to another mtg. | 15:59 |
| piet_ | See ya! | 15:59 |
| piet_ | uxdanielle When do you plan to have a presentation? | 15:59 |
| uxdanielle | Yes, a few small design tweaks - students had a hard time figuring out you could drag/drop manually to redo NIC order | 16:00 |
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| piet_ | yep. note surprising | 16:00 |
| piet_ | "not" | 16:00 |
| piet_ | When will you have a presentation? | 16:00 |
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| uxdanielle | Some areas that could benefit from more feedback/explanation. I am writing the report now - would like to have that to you Piet by COB Monday or sooner | 16:01 |
| uxdanielle | Would feel confident with presenting/distributing after Tuesday to make sure all the kinks are worked out | 16:01 |
| piet_ | Kk will schedule a presentation a wee from tuesday | 16:01 |
| piet_ | ok all done | 16:01 |
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| uxdanielle | :) | 16:02 |
| piet_ | cheers | 16:02 |
| piet_ | #endmeeting openstack_ux | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jul 22 16:02:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2016/openstack_ux.2016-07-22-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2016/openstack_ux.2016-07-22-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2016/openstack_ux.2016-07-22-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
| piet_ | o/ | 16:02 |
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