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| nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 13:56 |
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| jokke_ | is nikhil's clock ahead or mine behind? | 13:58 |
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| nikhil | jokke_: ha, no. I had to stop by the door so thought a early notice will be better. | 13:59 |
| abhishekk | its reminder I guess | 13:59 |
| nikhil | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 14 14:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| nikhil | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| tsymanczyk | O/ | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: fair enough ;) | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:00 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 14:00 |
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| nikhil | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | We've a full agenda today. | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | Please be concise in your updates and raise any serious concerns on -glance after this meeting. | 14:02 |
| itisha | o/ | 14:02 |
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| nikhil | Let's get started. | 14:02 |
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| nikhil | #topic Glare updates ( mfedosin ) | 14:02 |
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| * jokke_ tries to remember last time when we didn't | 14:02 | |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | hi | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | so, as you may know Glare API spec is merged | 14:03 |
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| mfedosin | thanks Nikhil for that | 14:03 |
| kragniz | woop! | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// o/7 | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | time to _review_ the code! | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | currently we have an agreement that only Heat artifact type will be included in Glare | 14:04 |
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| rosmaita | i have to say, after reading through the nikhil/mfedosin exchange, i am very concerned about this. i think glare should have its own database. | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | jokke_: we're fixing bugs and I'll update code later today | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | we can always merge databases later | 14:04 |
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| rosmaita | but separating them is much more difficult | 14:04 |
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| rosmaita | i think that the conceptual arcs of glance and glare are diverging | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | that's all from me, though | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | Glare has own tables and all artifact will be stored there | 14:05 |
| rosmaita | quick question: is there a use case for deploying glare wihtout glance? | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | also we had a meeting with Heat team today, we defined their type structure | 14:06 |
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| mfedosin | It will be published tomorrow | 14:06 |
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| mfedosin | and when v1 code is merged Heat folks will start to implement POC | 14:06 |
| kairat | rosmaita, not sure but maybe app catalog folks would like to have catalog only | 14:07 |
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| kairat | but they also need to provide list of images in catalog, so it is not defined yet | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | kairat: yeah, they will have only glare | 14:07 |
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| rosmaita | so i wonder whether a separate DB is a good idea? | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | why keep the db unified? | 14:08 |
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| nikhil | rosmaita: I can see where you are going with this | 14:08 |
| nikhil | and I think from a operational perspective this makes complete sense | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | also, we had discussions with local infra team - they want to integrate glare with Jenkins and store artifacts there | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | i think the glare and glance db use cases are quite different | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | because you have some artifacts stored in the db, right? | 14:09 |
| * nikhil thinks that the jenkins mfedosin is talking about is not upstream jenkins | 14:09 | |
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| mfedosin | nikhil sure :) | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | i mean the blobs, not the record | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | let me ask this other way around ... is there any benefits hanving glance and glare sharing single database? | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: the main benefit was that we were working on the same thing, more or less | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: there is no more upstream jenkins | 14:09 |
| rosmaita | but i'm not so convinced of that any more | 14:09 |
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| nikhil | jokke_: ? gerrit runs on jenkins, no? | 14:10 |
| kragniz | not anymore | 14:10 |
| kragniz | zuul all the way now | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: nope | 14:10 |
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| rosmaita | i'm not saying divergence of glance/glare is a bad thing, this is just an observation | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | zuul take care of everything | 14:10 |
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| nikhil | ah, my email confused me | 14:10 |
| nikhil | thanks for the update | 14:10 |
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| mfedosin | rosmaita: one thing I want to say about this | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I'm not saying that either. I'm asking if glare has already totally separated tables, are there any benefits running these two on the same db? | 14:11 |
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| mfedosin | we need reliable import in glance | 14:11 |
| * nikhil stays confused because of name -- Jenkins (Code Review) <review@openstack.org> | 14:11 | |
| rosmaita | (i know ... i need to shut up and work on import!) | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | like creating new db is what, 2 lines | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | from Glare or from somewhere else :) | 14:12 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: but you are working on it via the testing spec for defcore! | 14:12 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_: my concern is that if we think separate dbs is a good idea, we should do it before v1 of glare | 14:12 |
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| mfedosin | we can postpone this work in Glare and wait for several month | 14:12 |
| rosmaita | will be less confusing for operators | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | but if it won't be done in Ocata we'll have to start working on import images in Glare | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | because customers really want it | 14:13 |
| * jokke_ is confused now ... what is the link between glance and glare sharing database and glance image import? | 14:14 | |
| * nikhil has been reading mfedosin | 14:14 | |
| * nikhil has been reading mfedosin's mind | 14:14 | |
| nikhil | jokke_: mike wants to implement images API in glare | 14:14 |
| kairat | IMHO, it is good option to have separate dv | 14:14 |
| kairat | db | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | I'd say we're 15min in the meeting ... how about mfedosin you continue your updates and we get back to this on open discussion/ after meeting? | 14:14 |
| kairat | ++ to jokke_ | 14:15 |
| mfedosin | okay :) | 14:15 |
| nikhil | jokke_: and that's why I have published those comments on the spec so that community is clear on what's in the plate | 14:15 |
| kairat | Current Glare code designed in the way where we can change db interface without big updates | 14:16 |
| kairat | so let's proceed with updates | 14:16 |
| nikhil | I'd kept about 20 mins for glare today but we can continue. | 14:16 |
| nikhil | kairat: it's not about the code, it's about operations that's a big pain. | 14:16 |
| kairat | nikhil, sorry, didn't have time to respond them in time | 14:16 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil: I doubt 4 min is enough to clear this ;) | 14:16 |
| nikhil | I think we need to have this discussion on a etherpad | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | since there are no Nova updates we can skip it | 14:16 |
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| nikhil | #topic Nova v1, v2 updates | 14:17 |
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| mfedosin | no nova updates | 14:17 |
| nikhil | thanks Mike | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | everything works | 14:17 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: can we get a status check on nova this week? | 14:17 |
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| nikhil | let's make sure we've something for the team in the next week | 14:17 |
| nikhil | either 'all is working fine, no op for glance' or 'we really need to fix this bug' | 14:18 |
| nikhil | Also, we'd keep an eye on their deprecation of Images API | 14:18 |
| * jokke_ likes this | 14:18 | |
| nikhil | #topic releases | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "releases (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:19 | |
| nikhil | I've proposed a review for n-2 release (glance) | 14:19 |
| nikhil | (a late last night) | 14:19 |
| nikhil | once that's approved, the n2 release will be out | 14:20 |
| nikhil | but you won't get an email as doug had mentioned that such releases are not announced | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: do you have statistics already for us. How does it look like? | 14:20 |
| nikhil | jokke_: I will publish highlights on the n2 and share with the team | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: thnx | 14:21 |
| nikhil | also, I will update my newton-2 release notes | 14:21 |
| nikhil | as that's not a dependency on the release, it can be done after the release too. | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | one nice thing that tracking releases in lauhpad did was it gave those stats really easily | 14:21 |
| nikhil | yeah | 14:21 |
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| nikhil | #topic Announcements | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:22 | |
| nikhil | We should have the videos of midcycle (two days) and ops sync (one day) and defcore sync (one day), published in the next few days. I've reached out to the resp folks to see them uploaded that can be accessed publicly. | 14:23 |
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| nikhil | I will plan to release store and client next week. | 14:23 |
| nikhil | #action all: ping nikhil on irc if you need a commit included in those releases | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | yes sorry I forgot the midcycle recordings from the day 2 | 14:24 |
| * jokke_ will sharpen up | 14:24 | |
| nikhil | np, I too need to free space on my pc to be able to process the ops recording | 14:24 |
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| nikhil | it's about 1GB | 14:24 |
| nikhil | anyway, that's all for announcements | 14:25 |
| nikhil | #topic Project mascot | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project mascot (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:25 | |
| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-project-mascot | 14:25 |
| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-project-mascot | 14:25 |
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| nikhil | Please don't forget to self-vote your proposals | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | Time to bikeshed folks! Do we want red, green or purple? | 14:25 |
| nikhil | #info Please don't forget to self-vote your proposals on the project mascot etherpad | 14:25 |
| rosmaita | black! | 14:25 |
| kragniz | loris color, deffo | 14:26 |
| tsymanczyk | Mauve | 14:26 |
| nikhil | Only, the vote count in the proposals will be counted. | 14:26 |
| kragniz | tsymanczyk: controversial | 14:26 |
| * nikhil surprised no one mentioned pink | 14:26 | |
| jokke_ | done | 14:26 |
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| nikhil | It needs to be a cartoon so the proposals will be a tad diff than what's in the picture. | 14:27 |
| nikhil | #info the deadline to vote is Monday jul 18th and I will send top 3 nominations for Heidi to review. | 14:27 |
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| nikhil | that's all on this from me | 14:28 |
| nikhil | questions/comments? | 14:28 |
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| * kragniz starts the media campaign for the slow loris | 14:28 | |
| jokke_ | nikhil: the sooner the better, they are given out first come first served basis ;) | 14:28 |
| rosmaita | kragniz: is there such a thing as a fast loris | 14:28 |
| kragniz | I hope not | 14:28 |
| kragniz | those things have teeth | 14:28 |
| nikhil | jokke_: sure :) | 14:28 |
| nikhil | jokke_: I see your +2A, but remember there's +3 for strong vote | 14:29 |
| nikhil | this voting scheme is taken from voting on oslo proposal for summit and it has worked well for them | 14:29 |
| rosmaita | i may have to -3 the slow loris ... we get enough grief from other projects about glance's speed without having "slow" in the name of our mascot | 14:29 |
| nikhil | make that two | 14:30 |
| hemanthm | how about a sloth then? dones't have the word slow in its name | 14:30 |
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| kragniz | aw | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | hemanthm: you are not helping | 14:30 |
| * nikhil is thinking on increasing his vote for chipmunks | 14:30 | |
| hemanthm | rosmaita: sloths are awesome though | 14:30 |
| rosmaita | kragniz: if you can get it renamed to "clever loris" i would be ok with that | 14:31 |
| hemanthm | and pandas too. But pandas are way too popular | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I kind of like the slow loris option after the chipmunk ... community gets what they asked for :P | 14:31 |
| kragniz | there's just a regular loris | 14:31 |
| kragniz | "Red slender loris | 14:32 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: please propose that one, I like that option. | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | glance mascot: the regular (not the slow!) loris | 14:32 |
| kragniz | " | 14:32 |
| hemanthm | how about a bike shed? | 14:32 |
| hemanthm | but that's better for Openstack in general I guess | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | hemanthm: do we have natural bikesheds? | 14:32 |
| kairat | hemanthm, lol | 14:32 |
| rosmaita | it seems to be a natural condition in openstack! | 14:32 |
| kragniz | maybe the openstack logo is a stylized bike shed? | 14:32 |
| hemanthm | jokke_: what if we have a wooden bikeshed? :P | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | hemanthm: I think the OpenStack logo should be changed to bikeshed | 14:33 |
| hemanthm | ++ | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | I don't think any project deserves it more than all of them | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | yeah, except what color would it be? | 14:33 |
| nikhil | I want to propose 'sun' -- you can only glare or glance at it depending on the season /time of day | 14:33 |
| kairat | or crutch | 14:33 |
| bunting | nikhil: Don't look too long or it could burn your eyes? | 14:33 |
| hemanthm | nikhil: that's deep | 14:33 |
| kragniz | http://www.ourendangeredworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Red-Slender-Loris-large-eyes.png | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | your eyes hurt so bad you don't notice that it's slow | 14:33 |
| rosmaita | kragniz: we would have to include instructions to the artist that this is NOT the slow loris | 14:34 |
| * nikhil exclaims great!, is glad the team is bonding on something | 14:34 | |
| jokke_ | first you burn your eyes with the logo and then you get them on tears with the onion layers ... sounds like a plan | 14:34 |
| hemanthm | ah, an onion! | 14:35 |
| kragniz | tor has that | 14:35 |
| hemanthm | :( | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | kragniz: not onion logo sun logo, we have the onion layers in our design already | 14:35 |
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| hemanthm | jokke_: that's why it's onion is more appropriate for Glance | 14:36 |
| hemanthm | it's innate to Glnace | 14:36 |
| hemanthm | Everyone has a soul, Glance has an onion | 14:36 |
| kragniz | >You can select a mascot from the natural world | 14:37 |
| * hemanthm stops his poor jokes | 14:37 | |
| kragniz | does that imply that things from outside the world are not allowed? | 14:37 |
| nikhil | yeah and the onion press publishes quite deep discussions/posts | 14:37 |
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| nikhil | kairat: nothing artificially produced | 14:37 |
| mfedosin | have I already suggested? http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/3/3e/Flash_Zootopia.png/revision/latest?cb=20151224194629 | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | kragniz: also in all their creationism they think that humans are not part of the natural world | 14:38 |
| nikhil | alright, we need to move on for now | 14:38 |
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| nikhil | Thanks all for a fun discussion. | 14:38 |
| nikhil | #topic Feedback on splitting migrations into expand and contract to get started with rolling upgrades (hemanthm) | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feedback on splitting migrations into expand and contract to get started with rolling upgrades (hemanthm) (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:38 | |
| hemanthm | As a precursor to rolling upgrades, how about we start splitting our migrations into expand and contract? | 14:39 |
| hemanthm | Essentially, separate additive migrations and everything else so that one would be able to expand the database while the previous version is still running. When I say everything else, I mean it's our non-additive migrations as well as the data migrations. | 14:39 |
| hemanthm | We can maybe make glance-manage db_sync do both expands and contracts in succession. That way the current deployments won't change much for the operators but the migrations will in fact be performed in expand and contract manner. | 14:39 |
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| hemanthm | So, obviously this alone won't get us rolling upgrades. But, this would be the first tiny step. | 14:39 |
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| rosmaita | (and this is one reason i wonder about splitting the glance/glare dbs) | 14:40 |
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| hemanthm | Just want to see how folks feel about this | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | it is a slender-loris sized step | 14:40 |
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| nikhil | I like this idea | 14:42 |
| kairat | I am personally in favor of this | 14:42 |
| kairat | Then we can deprecate registry | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | with the very little understanding of databases I have I'm in favor | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | but how that would work on the db versioning? | 14:43 |
| kairat | hemanthm, I remember you showed some pdf with explanation of your approach | 14:43 |
| kairat | I had some questions because I did not understand how we can do N+1 rolling upgrades with additive migrations only | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | so one could not keep doing just the expands, but would need to do the "other" part in between | 14:43 |
| kairat | hemanthm, could you please re-send it | 14:43 |
| hemanthm | kairat: yeah, I'm writing a spec. I should have something up for review in a day or two | 14:43 |
| kairat | hemanthm, cool | 14:44 |
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| jokke_ | kairat: darn ... you were tiny bit faster ;) | 14:44 |
| hemanthm | jokke_: that's a good point. I have to figure it out. | 14:44 |
| dharinic | I read Hemanth's idea on this. And with little prior knowledge, I think its a great approach too. | 14:45 |
| hemanthm | jokke_: I know how neutron does it but they use alembic | 14:45 |
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| hemanthm | jokke_: maybe we could consider each expand and contract migration to be a version | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | hemanthm: I think that's what we would need to do | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | i agree | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | hemanthm: and do the contract always with the higher version number | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | and do those only once in a cycle | 14:46 |
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| hemanthm | ++ jokke_ | 14:46 |
| nikhil | ++ | 14:46 |
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| hemanthm | one intention to do this now is to give time for all of us get used to thinking in terms of expand and contract | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | which kind of will make it difficult with the milestones | 14:47 |
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| hemanthm | jokke_: true | 14:48 |
| nikhil | we don't support milestone releases, they are merely development checkpoints and not a produce for full fleged testing | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | we effectively can do expand until X-3 and then merge the contract between -3 and RC1 | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | but there is no way we can merge and test contracts through cycle then | 14:49 |
| nikhil | we need to support release-to-release migrations, that's all | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: we have to support X-2 to X release and if the database says it's version YY and we release X database version YY that must be the same database | 14:50 |
| hemanthm | what do you guys think about keeping two db versions? expand version and contract version vs the one version that we keep now? | 14:50 |
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| jokke_ | we can say that we release Xwith database version YY and YY-1 is expand only which is supported | 14:50 |
| tsymanczyk | In what sense? Both read only? | 14:51 |
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| * nikhil finds the grammar hard to comprehend | 14:52 | |
| hemanthm | nikhil: if you need time to cover other items on the agenda maybe we can take this to -glance | 14:52 |
| nikhil | *DB version grammar | 14:52 |
| hemanthm | nikhil: whatever I said? | 14:52 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: from the looks of it, I may need to refer the spec first to make sense of the support criterion described above. | 14:53 |
| tsymanczyk | Desk chair is the big issue with two databases. | 14:53 |
| tsymanczyk | desync | 14:53 |
| tsymanczyk | thanks autocorrect | 14:53 |
| nikhil | :) | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | i like "desk chair" better | 14:53 |
| hemanthm | tsymanczyk: possibly, I haven't thought this through yet. | 14:53 |
| nikhil | #topic open discussion | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:54 | |
| hemanthm | maybe I will get a spec going, we can all chime in there | 14:54 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: +1 | 14:54 |
| tsymanczyk | if either are write I'd be really against i | 14:54 |
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| nikhil | abhishekk: you can go ahead with your topic | 14:54 |
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| jokke_ | I really dislike the multiple versions approach as currently the version tells exactly what the database looks like ... if we start carrying two versions that does not apply anymore | 14:54 |
| abhishekk | hi, just need to be sure is lite-specs is ok for this? | 14:55 |
| tsymanczyk | if they disagree whichever se correct? | 14:55 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: that is a good concern | 14:55 |
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| nikhil | abhishekk: sure, let's start a lite spec | 14:55 |
| tsymanczyk | Jokk_ ++ | 14:55 |
| hemanthm | jokke_: yep, that's a valid concern. | 14:55 |
| abhishekk | nikhil: its already registered in LP https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1525259 | 14:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1525259 in Glance "Add request_ids attribute to v2 schemas" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Abhishek Kekane (abhishek-kekane) | 14:56 |
| nikhil | abhishekk: I see, that's a old version of a lite-spec | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: helps taking something like that in the consideration if that light spec would be in the commit message as it should | 14:56 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: I will add that as well | 14:56 |
| nikhil | jokke_: you want a full spec for this? | 14:57 |
| abhishekk | nikhil: should I write new lite-specs as per current format? | 14:57 |
| nikhil | fyi, we're past our proposal time for full specs for newton | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: not really sure ... IMHO litespec is fine, but I'm not sure if that is enough by your latest specification | 14:57 |
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| abhishekk | nikhil: hmm I know :( | 14:57 |
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| nikhil | abhishekk: not sure, but that discussion is quite interesting | 14:58 |
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| jokke_ | I'm more ocncerned about how we tack this issue as we clearly can't just take the x-project approach | 14:58 |
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| jokke_ | and that x-proj approach is the one I -2'd I'm not against the functionality in pronciple | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | principle even | 14:58 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: I will update the existing lite-specs with current approach | 14:58 |
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| nikhil | for such a verbose, lite-spec you'd have had better attn on a full spec :) | 14:59 |
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| nikhil | we're out of time | 14:59 |
| nikhil | Thanks all for joining. | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 15:00 |
| kairat | abhishekk, Does openstackclient provide request-id correctly | 15:00 |
| mfedosin | thanks :) | 15:00 |
| nikhil | abhishekk: pls update the existing stuff and we can chat after. | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | thank you nikhil, jokke_ | 15:00 |
| kragniz | thanks | 15:00 |
| nikhil | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 14 15:00:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-07-14-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| kairat | thanks | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-07-14-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-07-14-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 14 15:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:00 |
| TravT | o/ | 15:00 |
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| lei-zh | o/ | 15:00 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
| sjmc7 | morning | 15:01 |
| itisha | o/ | 15:01 |
| TravT | a few people, myself included are at the horizon mid-cycle | 15:01 |
| TravT | give it one more minute, though | 15:01 |
| TravT | pretty quick agenda today | 15:01 |
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| TravT | all right let's go | 15:02 |
| TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| TravT | #topic Newton 2 Tagged | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton 2 Tagged (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:03 | |
| sjmc7 | ah, i meant to remind you about that, and then forgot. good job! | 15:03 |
| TravT | searchlight has been tagged | 15:03 |
| TravT | looks like i messed up searchlight ui | 15:03 |
| TravT | will fix that after the meeting | 15:03 |
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| TravT | sjmc7, hehe | 15:03 |
| TravT | yeah, i remembered and forgot a few times before doing it | 15:04 |
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| TravT | anyway, its tagged | 15:04 |
| TravT | kind of a non-event at this point | 15:04 |
| TravT | just a marker in time | 15:04 |
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| TravT | newton 3 will be the more important one | 15:04 |
| TravT | 6 weeks left | 15:05 |
| TravT | which brings us to our next topic | 15:05 |
| TravT | #topic Mid Cycle Hangout | 15:05 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid Cycle Hangout (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:05 | |
| TravT | http://everytimezone.com/#2016-7-20,120,cn3 | 15:05 |
| TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-newton-hangout | 15:05 |
| TravT | https://hangouts.google.com/call/thyhril7irambbo5b7yutss3gee | 15:05 |
| TravT | That's the info on when, agenda, and where | 15:05 |
| TravT | next wednesday | 15:06 |
| TravT | If you have a topic, please add it to the agenda | 15:06 |
| TravT | Next up | 15:07 |
| TravT | #topic mascot | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mascot (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:07 | |
| TravT | last week we had some umm... ideas | 15:07 |
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| sjmc7 | :) | 15:07 |
| TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/searchlight-mascot_suggesstions | 15:08 |
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| TravT | we have to submit something by july 27 | 15:08 |
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| TravT | anybody come up with any other ideas? | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | we weren’t sold on the fish? | 15:08 |
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| TravT | hmmm..... | 15:09 |
| rosmaita | make sure you check out the firefly i found that's mooning the viewer | 15:09 |
| TravT | lol | 15:09 |
| rosmaita | i am +2 on the anglerfish, though | 15:09 |
| TravT | might need to think a bit on that before i'm + on that one. :) | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | i guess the problem with animals is that there’s not a good reason for them to light up except as bait | 15:10 |
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| TravT | ideally, it'd be nice to have something that conveys friendly and fast | 15:10 |
| rosmaita | or to attract mates | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | fireflies are friendly and fast! | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | they don’t have to moon people | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | the ones here don't | 15:11 |
| rosmaita | http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/eTM/dp5/eTMdp57jc.jpeg | 15:11 |
| TravT | rofl | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | hahahaha | 15:11 |
| TravT | that really should be a gif | 15:11 |
| lei-zh | I'd rather vote the fish:) | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | :) ok, well, we can continue to think about it. maybe get more abstract | 15:12 |
| TravT | maybe we could do a shark with a laser on its head | 15:12 |
| rosmaita | or a saber-tooth tiger with a laser on its head | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | so as not to violate copyright | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | hahaha | 15:13 |
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| TravT | well, i'm not feeling overly creative at the moment. | 15:14 |
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| TravT | i guess the angler fish is winning at the moment. :-S | 15:14 |
| TravT | #topic open discussion | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:14 | |
| TravT | that's all i had for agenda this week | 15:14 |
| TravT | anybody have anything they want to talk about? | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | i ran into a bit of a problem with the heat plugin | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | the short version being that heat doesn’t let anyone (even cloud admins) retrieve another tenant’s stacks | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | it does support listing, though not by default | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | and there’s an open bug to allow policy to support more than that | 15:15 |
| TravT | any likelihood that the bug will be solved this release? | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | so right now the only option would be to index just the notification data | 15:15 |
| TravT | how much is in the notification? | 15:16 |
| TravT | is it enough to be useful? | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | which is basically the name and status | 15:16 |
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| sjmc7 | dunno. arguably it’s better to have something than nothing, so it can be improved on later | 15:17 |
| TravT | well, i suppose that's better than nothing. can still show up in search result with link to the real stack | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. ok, will rework the patch and make a note it can be improved later | 15:17 |
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| TravT | maybe you could also file a patch asking for more data in the notification? | 15:17 |
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| lei-zh | is that heat bug under good progress? | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, will do. although heat always has a LOT of stuff going on | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | lei-zh: yeah, but it’s been open a while | 15:18 |
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| sjmc7 | it has got fairly recent comments on it and a lot of people have said it affects them | 15:19 |
| TravT | what's the linke? | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1466694 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1466694 in heat "admin role can't delete other tenants stacks" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Rabi Mishra (rabi) | 15:19 |
| TravT | well, getting more notification data would help us more than if that gets solved, so will be good to see if anybody agrees with you filing the bug for that | 15:21 |
| TravT | okay, anything else? | 15:21 |
| TravT | FYI, i'm still at the horizon mid cycle | 15:21 |
| TravT | things are going well. | 15:21 |
| TravT | lots of progress | 15:21 |
| TravT | several things happening that will help searchlight ui | 15:22 |
| rosmaita | nice | 15:22 |
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| TravT | robcresswell (PTL) said he submitted a talk to for the summit about the state of the project with info on the roadmap | 15:22 |
| TravT | said he intends to mention searchlight | 15:22 |
| TravT | okay. well, i guess if that's it, we can close it down for today. | 15:23 |
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| TravT | everybody please look at glance community image sharing and pipeline architecture as homework for the hangout next week | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | will do | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | enjoy CA | 15:24 |
| TravT | thanks, bye bye! | 15:24 |
| lei-zh | bye | 15:24 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 15:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 14 15:24:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-07-14-15.00.html | 15:24 |
| rosmaita | community images: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271019/ | 15:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-07-14-15.00.txt | 15:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-07-14-15.00.log.html | 15:24 |
| rosmaita | dang too late | 15:24 |
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| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 15:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 14 15:58:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:58 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' | 15:58 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 15:58 |
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| prometheanfire | o/ | 15:59 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 15:59 |
| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 15:59 |
| rromans | \o | 15:59 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 15:59 |
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| automagically | o/ | 16:00 |
| evrardjp | rromans: you're right I'm not left handed | 16:00 |
| evrardjp | \o | 16:00 |
| spotz | \o/ | 16:00 |
| evrardjp | \o? | 16:00 |
| adreznec | \o | 16:00 |
| mrhillsman | \o | 16:01 |
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| michaelgugino | hello all | 16:01 |
| andymccr | o/ | 16:01 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:03 |
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| odyssey4me | the only item we have is related to mhayden and cloudnull reaching out to ansible | 16:03 |
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| odyssey4me | did anything happen there? | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | alright, I'll take that as a no | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Mid Cycle Planning | 16:04 |
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| cloudnull | sorry im in meetings my bad | 16:04 |
| cloudnull | kinda not here. | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-midcycle-newton | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | but tell me what needs to be done and I will do the needful | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | A remined to everyone to add any pitches you'd like to do for long term ideas, and to register any major working sessions that are needed to complete work in this cycle. | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | Any questions or concerns related to the mid cycle? | 16:06 |
| spotz | I've put up a few restaurants, if anyone else has some suggestions add them on | 16:06 |
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| spotz | The steak place isn't high end but it's nearby, budget friendly and I know they can do large groups | 16:07 |
| evrardjp | thanks spotz | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | awesome, thanks spotz | 16:07 |
| eil397_ | o/ | 16:07 |
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| odyssey4me | it looks like we have a spot for every night we're there :p | 16:07 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, moving on | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | logan- ping? | 16:08 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Removal of venv_enabled switches (bp/only-install-venvs) | 16:08 |
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| logan- | o/ | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | We discussed the effects and you mentioned you'd look into how it affects your environment. | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | Do you have an update, any thoughts or questions? | 16:09 |
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| logan- | sorry, have not done much work on that since last week. have to wrap mitaka upgrade before vacation next week. I will have to circle back on it in August. | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | ok, no worries | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | I guess there is time. | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | moving on | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Name for tests repo | 16:11 |
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| odyssey4me | Alright, we discussed implementing a testing repo based on andymccr's work - but we haven't decided on a name | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | my suggestion was simply 'openstack-ansible-tests' | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | any objections to that? | 16:11 |
| automagically | odyssey4me: ++ | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | jmccrory automagically cloudnull d34dh0r53 stevelle mattt hughsaunders andymccr mhayden ^ | 16:12 |
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| odyssey4me | jmccrory_away ^ | 16:12 |
| andymccr | no objection | 16:12 |
| evrardjp | no objection | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | ok, I'll go ahead and get that done | 16:12 |
| stevelle | no objection | 16:12 |
| evrardjp | I still think we should use as much as possible these tests in tree, but as a separate repo I don't have an objection | 16:13 |
| evrardjp | but that's another conversation | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp sure - I think this just gives us some freedom to experiment more while also reducing duplicated workload | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | ok, I'll action that after the meeting | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | next up | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Project Mascot | 16:13 |
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| odyssey4me | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099046.html | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | #link http://www.openstack.org/project-mascots | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | The short of it is that we've been asked to identify an animal mascot which represents our project. | 16:14 |
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| prometheanfire | honeybadger? | 16:14 |
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| d34dh0r53 | ^ +1000 | 16:14 |
| evrardjp | a big hp logo. Parce que openstack-ansible -> OA -> On board administrator (HP) | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | heh, prometheanfire that's exactly what I thought of :) | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | I love it too | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | Mellivora capensis | 16:15 |
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| automagically | I believe Ansible team uses the “Ansibull” | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | yup | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | A bull everywhere | 16:15 |
| d34dh0r53 | or a duck-billed platypus | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | but the honeybadger has the same colors | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | AND | 16:15 |
| evrardjp | it can beat the hell out of the cow | 16:15 |
| automagically | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/jpetazzo/bde04c07137b9e122c07/raw/6170e286c2c24121da23b0a4d56c4327e22d55b9/ansibull.png | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | lol, looks like a cow from hell that one | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | anyway | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | The mascot must be generally identifiable for a global audience. | 16:17 |
| evrardjp | I'm not sure we can use the cow | 16:17 |
| automagically | Well I vote for a bull | 16:17 |
| automagically | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMmZ8tkUEAA3D93.jpg | 16:17 |
| evrardjp | because it's probably already the brand for ansible | 16:17 |
| andymccr | yeah that would be the only concern | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | right, so I think a duck-billed-platypus is perhaps a little difficult to make easily identifiable... so a bull or honeybadger. | 16:17 |
| andymccr | we could use a similar animal - e.g. buffalo or something. | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | "You can select a mascot from the natural world: animals, plants, fish, birds, or natural features such as a mountain or waterfall." | 16:18 |
| evrardjp | why not a mix of both, like having a honey badger on top of the bull | 16:18 |
| andymccr | i think a honeybadger, whilst humourous, sends the wrong message :P | 16:18 |
| stevelle | how does one differentiate a badger from a honeybadger? they dont | 16:18 |
| evrardjp | or something like a mix | 16:18 |
| stevelle | badger might be as close as you get | 16:18 |
| evrardjp | what about a landmark? | 16:18 |
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| stevelle | rules say not specific places iirc | 16:19 |
| stevelle | i.e. not Niagara Falls but a waterfall is ok | 16:19 |
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| evrardjp | buffalo | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | I'm kinda liking a buffalo. | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | It relates to a cow, but is not a cow. | 16:20 |
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| prometheanfire | how about a gnu | 16:20 |
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| prometheanfire | magestic creatures | 16:20 |
| rromans | cici n'est pas une vache | 16:20 |
| eil397_ | buffolo = bison ? | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | gnu's taken | 16:21 |
| evrardjp | rromans: "ceci" | 16:21 |
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| evrardjp | :D | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | so I'm thinking an African buffalo | 16:21 |
| eil397_ | s\buffolo\buffalo\g | 16:21 |
| rromans | evrardjp: apologies :p | 16:21 |
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| odyssey4me | ie http://www.32battalion.net/African%20Buffalo2a.gif | 16:21 |
| evrardjp | just fyi | 16:21 |
| stevelle | bison is a rather different thing from buffalo | 16:21 |
| odyssey4me | it's distinctive | 16:21 |
| automagically | odyssey4me: So a cape buffalo | 16:21 |
| evrardjp | why not writing on etherpad our options | 16:22 |
| evrardjp | then we give +1s, and the 5 with the most +1 will be submitted | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | we must do 3-5 choices | 16:22 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 16:22 |
| prometheanfire | concordant voting? | 16:22 |
| prometheanfire | condorcet | 16:22 |
| evrardjp | we don't need a one to one winner | 16:23 |
| evrardjp | we don't care :p | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | ok, we need to move on and don't have to decide today | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | I'll pop out an email to the ML and ask that everyone make a suggestion that's appropriate. | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Release Planning and Decisions | 16:25 |
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| eil397_ | as soon as we are working with clouds . closes bull to clouds. i think it is yak | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | FYI The kilo, icehouse and juno branches are tagged eol and deleted | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | so Kilo is, finally, EOL | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | Does anyone know of any blockers for a release of Liberty/Mitaka today? | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | Today is also the Newton-2 deadline for all services, so I'll bump the master branch SHA's again. | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | ok, I'll take that as nothing. | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | #Open Discussion | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Open Discussion | 16:27 |
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| odyssey4me | Right, so any questions or updates in general with regards to Blueprint work or anything else? | 16:28 |
| michaelgugino | I'm working on my lxd patch set today. I will be pushing the WIP work later today | 16:28 |
| evrardjp | cool | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino Excellent. :) | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp how's the Liberty->Mitaka upgrade work going? | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | logan- What's your experience been there? Found any glaring issues? | 16:28 |
| michaelgugino | I'm not sure if I'll be attending the mid cycle, but it looks like I just might be able to. | 16:28 |
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| logan- | really smooth actually. | 16:29 |
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| odyssey4me | logan- did you make use of the upgrade scripts/plays at all? | 16:29 |
| logan- | only one minor snag in the memcached clearing and the patch to fix that merged last week | 16:29 |
| logan- | yep | 16:29 |
| evrardjp | there are still a few quirks | 16:29 |
| automagically | Didn’t get much feedback on the spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/multi-rabbitmq-clusters Would appreciate folks chiming in with feedback if they have it | 16:29 |
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| evrardjp | like the agents double reported - the best way for now is cloudnull's way (delete) | 16:30 |
| automagically | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/multi-rabbitmq-clusters | 16:30 |
| logan- | one other thing i saw was some quirkiness in the rabbitmq upgrade that seemed to be related to the hostname switch over, but i haven't been able to reproduce it | 16:30 |
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| evrardjp | I'll follow that to use openstack cli's to disable them - that would be an alternative approach | 16:30 |
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| michaelgugino | automagically: do you mean multiple clusters to spread the queues around? | 16:30 |
| logan- | yeah double agents happen | 16:30 |
| automagically | We are looking to have neutron use its own cluster and all other services share another cluster | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | logan-: I'm trying different approaches, to find the best one | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | then I'll work with vnogin on the quantification of downtime for upgrades | 16:31 |
| evrardjp | during* | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp did that patch ever merge to add the thing that wipes the old agent names | 16:31 |
| automagically | Not entirely sure its necessary, but we are planning on doing some 300+ compute host testing and want some flexibility to run addl rabbit clusters if perf results suggest it would help | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | nope it didn't odyssey4me | 16:32 |
| logan- | don't some of the services still require database work to wipe old agents | 16:32 |
| logan- | like cinder or something I think | 16:32 |
| logan- | no api calls for it | 16:32 |
| evrardjp | logan-: cinder, heat, nova, neutron | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp we should probably let it through because it's *a* solution that works... if a better one comes along we can use it | 16:32 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://review.openstack.org/312274 | 16:33 |
| evrardjp | deleting is really something I'd like to avoid, but it's the best we've got | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | they could be disabled instead | 16:33 |
| evrardjp | that's my point | 16:33 |
| evrardjp | I want to work on disabling them instead | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | logan- please take a peek at that and provide suggestions for options | 16:33 |
| evrardjp | or at least let the choice | 16:33 |
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| logan- | sure. will do. personally i like deleting them because it is not very impactful, and it is still a lot of unnecessary clutter if they are disabled | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp please provide suggestions in the review - we need to get beyond limbo where the upgrade process is now | 16:34 |
| michaelgugino | automagically: I think that's a novel idea, but it's starting to seem like these types of options and features are adding a great deal to the complexity of the project. Is it a supported use case with other projects? | 16:34 |
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| odyssey4me | perhaps we should provide the option of deleting or disabling, and disable by default but allow a var to change that | 16:35 |
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| automagically | michaelgugino: Which other projects? | 16:35 |
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| evrardjp | odyssey4me: agreed | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | I wrote it in the bug | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino it's an option which doesn't take much change to implement - seeing as every service already has their own vhost the rest of the work is largely to ensure that we're doing the right namespacing discipline and we're not tied to the inventory groups | 16:36 |
| evrardjp | odyssey4me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1577245 | 16:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577245 in openstack-ansible "Duplicate services seen in upgrade from 12.0.10 to 13.0.1" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jean-Philippe Evrard (jean-philippe-evrard) | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp I think you could safely adjust the patch set. cloudnull has moved on :p | 16:37 |
| evrardjp | sure, I will, but I'm still testing all of this | 16:37 |
| michaelgugino | by other projects, is this something that nova or neutron, or any other openstack projects are doing or suggesting? Is it a covered use case somewhere? I definitely think it has merits in any case, just curious | 16:37 |
| logan- | configurable group names are nice. ceph-ansible is heavy on that and it is nice to have the playbooks assumptions about the inventory to be customizable | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino the projects themselves work mostly in isolation | 16:38 |
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| odyssey4me | michaelgugino Where you may wish to discuss this sort of thing is in the large deployments working group. | 16:39 |
| automagically | michaelgugino: I’ve not seen it suggested by those projects yet. The general community recommendation for compute host scale 200+ seems to be to try zeromq in place of rabbit, but the oslo.messaging zmq drivers have some bugs yet | 16:39 |
| automagically | LDT seems pretty centered around cells v1 currently, which we’re not looking to try out just yet | 16:39 |
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| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to mail the ML about the mascots | 16:40 |
| logan- | yeah, not sure if other openstack deployers are doing that particular thing but having configurable group names in plays/roles has favorable parallels with other ansible projects imo | 16:40 |
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| automagically | michaelgugino: All that said, I’m making my best efforts not to overly complicate the roles/plays to add this possibility. I welcome reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/multi-rabbitmq-clusters if you all think that the changes are introducing too much complexity | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | oh yes, I almost forgot | 16:41 |
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| odyssey4me | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099128.html | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | Welcome evrardjp to the OSA core team | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | :) | 16:41 |
| eil397_ | :) | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | I'll do the formal group add after the meeting. | 16:41 |
| automagically | :D | 16:41 |
| logan- | automagically does this change implement the entire bp? | 16:41 |
| automagically | logan-: Nope. I expect one or 2 more | 16:42 |
| michaelgugino | I'll take a look. Doesn't look like a large code change at all | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | thank you all | 16:42 |
| logan- | thanks to you evrardjp! | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | yes, thanks to you evrardjp ! | 16:42 |
| automagically | logan- and michaelgugino - This is strongly related to that blueprint https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341296/ | 16:42 |
| michaelgugino | awesome evrardjp | 16:42 |
| evrardjp | I'll continue to be myself, sorry to annonce you that :p | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | #info evrardjp has been successfully voted in as an OpenStack-Ansible core team member | 16:43 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, it look slike we're done for today | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | thanks to everyone for making the time | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 14 16:45:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-07-14-15.58.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-07-14-15.58.txt | 16:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-07-14-15.58.log.html | 16:45 |
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| cathy__ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 14 17:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
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| cathy__ | hi everyone | 17:00 |
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| igordcard | hi | 17:00 |
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| pcarver | hi | 17:01 |
| fsunaval | hi | 17:01 |
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| doonhammer | hi all | 17:02 |
| cathy__ | Ok, let's start | 17:02 |
| scsnow_ | hi | 17:02 |
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| cathy__ | #topic Move to using OpenStack Client (OSC) | 17:02 |
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| LouisF | hi | 17:02 |
| mohankumar__ | Hi | 17:02 |
| cathy__ | mohankumar__: I know you are working on this. how is it going? | 17:02 |
| yamahata | hello | 17:03 |
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| mohankumar__ | Working on code. Will submit WIP patch soon | 17:03 |
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| cathy__ | mohankumar__: cool, thanks. | 17:04 |
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| cathy__ | #topic Remove the agent_opts for encap which comes from the config | 17:04 |
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| cathy__ | georgewang: This is an action item from last week's meeting. I have created a bug for this. | 17:05 |
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| LouisF | https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/1602890 | 17:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1602890 in networking-sfc "remove the agent_opts for encap which comes from the config" [High,In progress] | 17:06 |
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| scsnow_ | it's trivial fix, I can take it | 17:06 |
| cathy__ | scsnow_: cool, thanks. | 17:07 |
| cathy__ | #topic Add port-pair-group param | 17:07 |
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| s3wong | hello | 17:08 |
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| cathy__ | georgewang: I know you are working on this. When do you think you can upload the patch? | 17:08 |
| cathy__ | s3wong: hi, you are late:-) | 17:08 |
| s3wong | cathy__: yes... late... sorry | 17:08 |
| georgewang | i think it should be one or two weeks later. | 17:09 |
| cathy__ | georgewang: OK, thanks | 17:09 |
| cathy__ | #topic Tempest Test suite | 17:09 |
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| cathy__ | georgewang: I know you are working on this. How is this going? | 17:10 |
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| georgewang | I have almost written both api and scenario tests in my local repo. Will make it cover more scenarios | 17:11 |
| cathy__ | georgewang: OK, thanks. | 17:11 |
| cathy__ | #topic Rename openvswitch-agent to avoid naming conflict with neutron | 17:11 |
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| cathy__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/334398 | 17:12 |
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| fsunaval | the issue is that SfcOvsAgent is a child class of neutronovsagent | 17:13 |
| cathy__ | fsunaval: would you like to describe the issue if we rename our OVS agent to see whether others have some good idea how to solve it? | 17:13 |
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| fsunaval | we currently create /usr/local/bin/neutron-openvswitch-agent | 17:14 |
| fsunaval | however, the redhat package management system has issues with that. they want neutron-openvswitch-agent (for pure neutron) and something else for sfc (say neutron-openvswitch-sfc-agent) | 17:15 |
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| fsunaval | there does'nt seem to be an easy fix to this for now... | 17:15 |
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| fsunaval | unless we decouple neutronovsagent from SfcOvsAgent and then use the L2 flow extension manager so that SFC can program into the bridges directly.. | 17:16 |
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| fsunaval | open to any / all other ideas. | 17:17 |
| cathy__ | s3wong: pcarver yamahata any good idea how to solve this? | 17:17 |
| pcarver | sorry, got pulled away. Looking back at IRC now. | 17:17 |
| cathy__ | mohankumar__: scsnow_ igordcard doonhammer ? | 17:17 |
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| doonhammer | cathy: sorry no ideas here | 17:18 |
| pcarver | cathy: Sorry, no obvious idea from me either | 17:19 |
| scsnow_ | how this resolved in another neutron projects? | 17:19 |
| scsnow_ | I think many projects have their own agents | 17:19 |
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| fsunaval | lbaas and fwaas have their own agents. | 17:20 |
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| fsunaval | so, in a way, the redhat folks are right. sfc should have its own agent instead of going as the neutron agent with sfc changes. | 17:20 |
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| fsunaval | anyway, I can continue looking into it ... if anyone has ideas please send email. | 17:21 |
| cathy__ | scsnow_: fsunaval If SFC has its own agent, does it mean SFC agent needs to duplicate codes of some of the Neutron agent? | 17:21 |
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| fsunaval | there will be some code duplication but should'nt be much... | 17:22 |
| cathy__ | fsunaval: If I remember correctly, originally SFC has its own agent and there are a lot of code duplication, we got comments on that and thus changed it to current way | 17:23 |
| scsnow_ | fsunaval, so I want to have lbaas and fwaas I have to run 3 different agents, right? | 17:23 |
| fsunaval | scsnow_: yes... | 17:24 |
| fsunaval | cathy__: hopefully with the l2 flow extension manager there should be much less ... | 17:24 |
| cathy__ | fsunaval: So you mean we will write our own agent which only programs SFC specific tables into the bridge while all others are done by Neutron agent, right? | 17:25 |
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| fsunaval | cathy__: yes, that is the idea.. | 17:25 |
| cathy__ | fsunaval: rewrite this will be a lot of work. Thanks for looking into this! | 17:26 |
| fsunaval | cathy__: I will give update next week on what I find... | 17:26 |
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| cathy__ | fsunaval: thanks. | 17:27 |
| cathy__ | #topic NSH encap work | 17:28 |
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| cathy__ | igordcard: how is it going? | 17:28 |
| igordcard | almost starting, the SFP management work is taking a long time :( | 17:28 |
| cathy__ | ok | 17:28 |
| igordcard | port-chain-create works, but I'm still working on the rest | 17:28 |
| igordcard | NSH support will be much quicker to implement than tthis refactoring | 17:29 |
| cathy__ | igordcard: I just like to make sure on the data path, we will keep the SFF Proxy functionality to support Service Function that does not understand the NSH encap. Is this what you have in mind? | 17:29 |
| igordcard | cathy__: yes | 17:30 |
| igordcard | cathy__: if a port-pair doesn't specify correlation nsh, it will automatically proxy - is this okay? | 17:31 |
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| cathy__ | igordcard: cool. thanks. Also the new OVS patch for NSH has been completed and is being reviewed in OVS. You can incorporate with that new patch in your testing since that patch is what is being pushed into OVS | 17:31 |
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| cathy__ | igordcard: No | 17:31 |
| cathy__ | igordcard: what we mean by Proxy is | 17:32 |
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| cathy__ | igordcard: The API specifies an encap mechanism "NSH" or "MPLS" or other, but the switch has to strip off the SFC encap header before forwarding the pkg to the SF. | 17:33 |
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| cathy__ | igordcard: We can not assume that all SF is NSH SFC header aware. | 17:33 |
| igordcard | cathy__: so we can use port-pair's service_function_parameters to decide whether to proxy a specific SF right? | 17:34 |
| cathy__ | In the other direction, when the switch receives the packet from the SF, it needs to do reclassification and adds back the NSH header. | 17:34 |
| doonhammer | lgordcard: +1 definitely not - especially if they are hardware based | 17:34 |
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| cathy__ | We already implemented this Proxy functionality for mpls encap. | 17:34 |
| cathy__ | igordcard: yes | 17:34 |
| cathy__ | igordcard: that is why there is a SF parameter in the API | 17:35 |
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| igordcard | doonhammer: +1 or definitely not? | 17:35 |
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| doonhammer | agree that SF cannot understand all the various encap and transports | 17:36 |
| doonhammer | becomes a support nightmare | 17:36 |
| igordcard | cathy__: okay my plan was to use that sf parameters to decide whether to proxy or not a specific SF | 17:36 |
| cathy__ | igordcard: good | 17:37 |
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| igordcard | cathy__: doonhammer: alright then | 17:37 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: Yes, I agree that it will take a long time to have all SF become NSH aware. So SF Proxy functionality will be there for a long time:-0 | 17:38 |
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| doonhammer | cathy: It is not just NSH but it is also the NSH encap transport - I do not see any convergence on that | 17:39 |
| igordcard | cathy__: yes, but at the same time networking-sfc can help accelerate NSH support/development in SFs by making it easy to deploy the chains | 17:40 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: never mind about the NSH transport, since the OVS tunnel bridge will always strip that off | 17:40 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: I assume you are talking about the VXLAN or GRE or other transport for NSH? | 17:41 |
| doonhammer | cathy: yes | 17:41 |
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| cathy__ | igordcard: yes, but that depends on the SF appliance companies. Usually it is not easy to have them change. I talked to F5 long time back and got that feeling. | 17:42 |
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| cathy__ | doonhammer: If there is a correlation mechanism between the OVS and the SF for the chain-ID, then the OVS does not need to do reclassification which is expensive. | 17:43 |
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| doonhammer | cathy: part of the issue is the ASICs we all use in the hardware platforms - more encap means more bits | 17:43 |
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| doonhammer | cathy: if the classifier is the OVS switch it is easy - if there deeper classification everyone has to agree on the type of classification and taxonomy | 17:45 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: do you think SF can create multiple virtual interfaces with each virtual interface mapping to a chain? The virtual interface is not a real interface, but is just for identify different chain packets coming to the SF? | 17:45 |
| doonhammer | cathy: yes that is what we do today | 17:46 |
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| doonhammer | cathy: we do that for multi-tenacy | 17:46 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: I am referring to how we can simply the SF Proxy mechanism. Instead of reclassification, if there is a correlation mechanism between the OVS and the SF for the chains, then reclassification is not needed | 17:47 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: cool ! | 17:47 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: yes, I remember you mentioned this in the OVS alias | 17:47 |
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| doonhammer | cathy: I owe a response to that thread | 17:48 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: So if all these chains belong to the same tenant, there is no issue. But if these chains belong to different tenants, does the VM allow multiple interfaces associated with different tenants? | 17:49 |
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| cathy__ | AFAIK, a VM can only associate with one tenant? How did you solve this? | 17:49 |
| doonhammer | cathy: the issue with the classification is if one of the SF modifies the flows e.g. flow compression or video encoding etc. | 17:49 |
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| cathy__ | doonhammer: yes, exactly | 17:50 |
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| cathy__ | doonhammer: reclassification has multiple downsides | 17:50 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: that is the Nova restriction for VM. | 17:51 |
| doonhammer | cathy: a vm can have multiple tenants each with a pair of virtual interfaces , a port-pair. Then each tenant gets a unique port-pair but there is a limit to the number of interfaces - but it is fungible as it is just software | 17:51 |
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| cathy__ | doonhammer: interesting. AFAIK, Farhad did a test and found out that a VM can only take one interface. Farhad? | 17:52 |
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| cathy__ | I mean a VM can take multiple interfaces but these interfaces need to belong to one tenant | 17:52 |
| fsunaval | cathy__: VM can take any number of interfaces from the same tenant... | 17:53 |
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| doonhammer | ah so might be a Nova limitation - I need to look at that | 17:53 |
| fsunaval | nova does not allow a VM to attach a neutron-port created in another tenant. | 17:53 |
| fsunaval | doonhammer: is your multi-tenant FW supported in Openstack or NSX ? | 17:53 |
| doonhammer | NSX | 17:54 |
| fsunaval | yes... not in Openstack. | 17:54 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: I see. So your VM is not OpenStack Nova created | 17:54 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: could you try a VM in OpenStack to see if it works? | 17:54 |
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| doonhammer | made the bad assumption it would work in OS once we had OVN-SFC working :-( | 17:55 |
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| doonhammer | cathy: now on my list of todos | 17:55 |
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| cathy__ | doonhammer: great, Thanks! We really like to hear back from you! | 17:55 |
| cathy__ | Cool. we are running out of time. | 17:56 |
| doonhammer | cathy: yes want to clean up the multi-tenant issue with regXboi too | 17:56 |
| cathy__ | if any of you have any topic you would like to discuss, feel free to post it on the wiki meeting page. | 17:56 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: sure. | 17:57 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: thanks! | 17:57 |
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| cathy__ | Ok, that's all for today's meeting. Will talk to you next week. | 17:57 |
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| scsnow_ | bye | 17:58 |
| LouisF | bye | 17:58 |
| cathy__ | bye now | 17:58 |
| doonhammer | bye | 17:58 |
| mohankumar__ | Bye | 17:58 |
| fsunaval | bye all!!! | 17:58 |
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| cathy__ | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 14 17:58:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-07-14-17.00.html | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-07-14-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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