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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 08:02:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:02 |
| ifat_afek | Hi everyone, sorry for starting late | 08:03 |
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| nbloom | Hi! | 08:04 |
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| alexey_weyl | Hello | 08:05 |
| elisha_r | hi | 08:05 |
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| idan_hefetz | Hi all | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | Let's start. Our agenda today: | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | * Status and Updates | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | * Barcelona CFP | 08:06 |
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| ifat_afek | * Mascot for Vitrage | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | * Open Discussion | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:06 | |
| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:07 | |
| mkoushnir | Hio | 08:07 |
| eyalb | hi | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | Who wants to update? | 08:08 |
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| nbloom | I'll update | 08:08 |
| nbloom | I am currently working on adding Zabbix as a data source for vitrage i.e. that whenever Zabbix has a certain trigger triggered it will run a script to notify VItrage via the Vitrage's message bus | 08:09 |
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| nbloom | I have the script running and its sending information to Vitrage, I am now working on formatting the data from Zabbix to send and then I'll start working on the receiving end - Vitrage. | 08:10 |
| nbloom | That's it for now.. | 08:10 |
| ifat_afek | nbloom: great, thanks | 08:10 |
| idan_hefetz | i'll update | 08:10 |
| idan_hefetz | I have commited my changes in regards to mark_down action, and mark down notifier, both to master and Liberty.. | 08:11 |
| idan_hefetz | There have been some issues with our tempest, but it is eventually in :) | 08:11 |
| ifat_afek | idan_hefetz: what is the status of the tempest issues? | 08:12 |
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| alexey_weyl | The status is that since 7-8 of July part of our tempests in the gate failed | 08:13 |
| alexey_weyl | we performed some research and checked it, and it seems that the reason it failed is not up to us | 08:14 |
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| alexey_weyl | the thing that happens is that the first get_all that we do fails and the clients of all of the openstack datasrouces fails. | 08:14 |
| alexey_weyl | we don't know yet why it happens, but we have defined the get_All interval to 3 minutes and due to that the next get_all succeeds and the tempests pass | 08:15 |
| alexey_weyl | we still need to undestand why it happens. | 08:15 |
| alexey_weyl | but atleast we can push code to github | 08:16 |
| alexey_weyl | thats it | 08:16 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: good, at least we can work for now | 08:16 |
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| ifat_afek | Any other updates? | 08:16 |
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| ifat_afek | Moving on | 08:17 |
| mkoushnir | me | 08:18 |
| mkoushnir | The template tempest test pushed, and waiting for last +1 | 08:18 |
| mkoushnir | me next issue is nova notification, Idan, pls, send me it | 08:19 |
| mkoushnir | *My | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | mkoushnir: great (for the template tempest) | 08:20 |
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| ifat_afek | mkoushnir: any other update? | 08:20 |
| mkoushnir | no, thanks | 08:20 |
| ifat_afek | Ok, moving on | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Barcelona CFP | 08:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barcelona CFP (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:21 | |
| ifat_afek | The call for papers will close tomorrow morning: | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/call-for-speakers/ | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | Here are the sessions we submitted: | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | 1.Root Cause Analysis: Principles and Practice in OpenStack & beyond | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | 2.The Future of Root Cause Analysis (RCA) through the eyes of OpenStack Vitrage | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | 3.Root Cause Analysis for NFV | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | 4.Application Aware Root Cause Analysis | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | 5.Vitrage under-the-hood: a window into the inner workings of a Root Cause Analysis (RCA) engine | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | 6.Vitrage Hands-on Lab | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | 7.The Vitrage Story: from Nothing to the Big Tent in Six Months | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | In addition, we are talking with Doctor and Congress about submitting a common session. | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | If you have other ideas, you can still submit them | 08:22 |
| ifat_afek | Any questions or comments? | 08:22 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic Mascot for Vitrage | 08:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mascot for Vitrage (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:23 | |
| elisha_r | cool :) | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | All projects were asked to select a mascot to represent them. | 08:23 |
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| ifat_afek | Guidelines: The mascot can be anything from the natural world - an animal, fish, plant, or natural feature such as a mountain or waterfall | 08:23 |
| ifat_afek | We should send back a few options with priorities (in case few projects select the same mascot). | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | I created an etherpad for this purpose: | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-mascot | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | Please add your suggestions, and we will vote next week. | 08:24 |
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| mkoushnir | Can you send the link of Q voting? | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | mkoushnir: I got a personal mail, asking me to vote. I think everyone should get his own mail | 08:26 |
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| mkoushnir | :( got only P for now | 08:28 |
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| mkoushnir | Paxton is nice :) | 08:30 |
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| ifat_afek | I got only the P yesterday, and today I got P again and also Q | 08:30 |
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| ifat_afek | I guess we are done with the Mascot suggestions for now. Feel free to add suggestions later on, and we'll vote next week | 08:31 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 08:31 |
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| ifat_afek | Anyone wants to discuss anything? | 08:31 |
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| Nofarsch | hi | 08:34 |
| ifat_afek | I guess we are done for today | 08:34 |
| ifat_afek | If anyone still wants to suggest another session (or a mascot), please email the mailing list | 08:35 |
| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 08:35:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-07-13-08.02.html | 08:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-07-13-08.02.txt | 08:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-07-13-08.02.log.html | 08:35 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 13:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | emm...only me? | 13:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 13:00 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: good afternoon :) | 13:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | I guess we will have short meeting today | 13:01 |
| gmann_ | o/ | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | I didn't have too much for update today also | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | I get some help for api-ref from the hackathon | 13:02 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: great, i will start reviewing those tomorrow | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | I probably need catch up some review for api-ref | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: thanks :) | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | I also didn't see any update for policy discovery | 13:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I saw quite a few patches drop there | 13:03 |
| edleafe | \o | 13:03 |
| * edleafe is partly here - on a phone meeting too | 13:03 | |
| johnthetubaguy | oh policy discovery? what were we expecting to see there again? | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/322944 | 13:03 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/335667 | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | both of them in WIP | 13:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, yeah | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need the second one | 13:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | the first one would be good to have | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | I guess those are last two | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea | 13:05 |
| gmann_ | i think the generation of policy file with default and override one | 13:06 |
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| alex_xu | for api deprecation, i didn't get time to work on yet. too much events in this month | 13:07 |
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| alex_xu | just back from hackathon, tomorrow will be Openstack China Days, then Mid-cycle... | 13:07 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/deprecate-api-proxies | 13:07 |
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| alex_xu | there is propose from oomichi, about how to avoid merge all of patches together | 13:08 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: what is pending on those, jenkin failure i think | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: I miss something for image links, and in quotas. Also need rebase, we just merged two API patches for FFE | 13:09 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 13:09 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: ohk, if you like i can update those. | 13:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am curious if we should just squash those all together after we reviewed them, so they fit in one API microversion? | 13:09 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_: sure, i will appricate it | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: I think that way works | 13:10 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: cool. | 13:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I mean, I like the small chunks to review, but we want that to land as one, I guess | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | And after FFE, we have time to merge them | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yeah, i see you | 13:11 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: you mean single patch after review all separate ? | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 13:12 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: which will be easy and fast to review | 13:12 |
| gmann_ | ok | 13:12 |
| gmann_ | +1, nice idea | 13:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean we could do a feature branch, but I think that needs some work from infra to set it up | 13:12 |
| gmann_ | yea, more time consuming | 13:12 |
| alex_xu | I think we probably can merge them after mid-cycle | 13:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | or at the mid-cycle if its ready | 13:14 |
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| alex_xu | +1 | 13:14 |
| gmann_ | ok, i will updates those before mid cycle so that you guys can review and merge there | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | just saw edleafe's propose, about use 2.99 as placeholder, then correct the 2.99 in the last patch | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: do you like that way? | 13:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | as long as we don't raise the max_version, that could work | 13:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | i.e. its not actually a valid version | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | yea, I didn't found any problem for that way for now | 13:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | tempted to use 2.999, given 2.99 doesn't feel that far away | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | so let us go that way? | 13:17 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: 2.999999999 ? | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | :) | 13:17 |
| edleafe | :) | 13:17 |
| gmann_ | :) | 13:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: sure :) | 13:18 |
| gmann_ | we are at 2.34 only i guess | 13:18 |
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| edleafe | gmann_: 2.35 as of yesterday | 13:18 |
| gmann_ | ok. | 13:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | as long as no user can ever trigger it, we should be fine | 13:18 |
| alex_xu | yea | 13:19 |
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| alex_xu | so we are cool? | 13:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we error out if you request something higher the max_version, so that protects us | 13:19 |
| edleafe | maybe need a gate check? | 13:19 |
| edleafe | Or will max_version do it? | 13:20 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yes, we error out if you request higher than max_version for now | 13:20 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: yea | 13:20 |
| edleafe | so we don't accidentally merge 2.999 | 13:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | unit test check would do no harm | 13:20 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: will that cause every patch to fail Jenkins then | 13:20 |
| edleafe | it's hard to get reviews with all that red on the patch | 13:21 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: emm...I guess unittest will be go | 13:21 |
| alex_xu | but it's worth to update one patch as that way, and to see what happened | 13:21 |
| gmann_ | i think it will fail and would not be able to merge | 13:21 |
| gmann_ | I tried on imgae_ref UUID and got failure | 13:22 |
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| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338802/ | 13:22 |
| edleafe | I used 2.99 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327809/, but also updated max_version | 13:23 |
| gmann_ | had to update max_version - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338802/1/nova/api/openstack/api_version_request.py | 13:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we can't change max_version, thats user visible | 13:23 |
| gmann_ | yes, | 13:23 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: as a placeholder strategy | 13:23 |
| gmann_ | and without max_version change we can not merge patch | 13:23 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: that's why I thought a gate check would be better | 13:23 |
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| gmann_ | edleafe: it will be a user interface then instead of place holder i think | 13:24 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: if the unitest only call the controller obj direclty, i remember there isn't a check for max_version | 13:24 |
| alex_xu | so we will fine for unittest | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the functional tests are failing on the patch, I guess it found why you can't increase max_version | 13:25 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: but schema version needs microversion in request for calling controller method also | 13:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: can't they all point at a constant that is 2.999? | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: there is max_version checks for schema version? | 13:27 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: alex_xu humm, i think while wrapping the controller method it needed but max_version check i need to see | 13:28 |
| gmann_ | i forgot where exactly it was causing the issue | 13:28 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: actually the currently patches also update max_version in the last one | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am OK introducing a new PARTIAL_API_VERSION=2.999 or something like that? | 13:28 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea. | 13:29 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: may be we are making it more complicated with that | 13:30 |
| alex_xu | yea, i'm ok also. I added constant MAX_PROXY_API_SUPPORT_VERSION in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338802/1/nova/api/openstack/api_version_request.py, we just need change it to 2.999 | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: thats the one I was thinking about | 13:30 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea | 13:30 |
| gmann_ | or we can just review all those separately and merge and rebase if any version bump in between | 13:30 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: how about 9.99? No way we'll ever hit that :) | 13:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: maybe | 13:31 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_: i think 2.999 way isn't very hard | 13:32 |
| alex_xu | whatever we need rebase, and just need to change the 2.999 :) | 13:32 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: ok. with MAX_PROXY_API_SUPPORT_VERSION? | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | the key thing is, don't expose this to the user, even if they request that specific version | 13:33 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_: yeah | 13:33 |
| gmann_ | yea, m ok that way | 13:34 |
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| alex_xu | cool :) | 13:34 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea | 13:34 |
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| alex_xu | I think that is all i have, anything more we want to bring up? | 13:34 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/340629 | 13:35 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: this one ^ ? | 13:35 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: if you can check this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340629/ | 13:35 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: :) yea | 13:35 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: yea :) | 13:35 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: that is actually in Newton only so we do not need backort | 13:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: good point, I forgot | 13:36 |
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| alex_xu | we just miss that one check in the tests, then we didn't catch that mistake :( | 13:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I was a bit worried about that | 13:37 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea, that was caught on schema validation check in tempest | 13:37 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: johnthetubaguy can we add hacking check for those at least returning of such HTTP success? but not sure how easy and correct that will be | 13:38 |
| alex_xu | yea, maybe worth to check, whether we have other place to use that way to return response | 13:39 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: that will be great if can | 13:39 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: cool, i will check that | 13:39 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_: or we didn't allow return response obj, only allow None or dict? | 13:39 |
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| alex_xu | that can be done at our wsgi code | 13:40 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea but for multiple return like that API | 13:41 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_: ah, good point | 13:41 |
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| alex_xu | let's to find a better way to avoid that | 13:43 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: sure | 13:43 |
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| * alex_xu adds a todo to think about that | 13:43 | |
| alex_xu | ok, anything more we want to bring up? | 13:43 |
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| gmann_ | nothing from my side | 13:45 |
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| alex_xu | ok, let's end the meeting early | 13:45 |
| edleafe | thanks alex_xu | 13:45 |
| alex_xu | thanks all! | 13:45 |
| gmann_ | Thanks. | 13:45 |
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| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 13:45:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-07-13-13.00.html | 13:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-07-13-13.00.txt | 13:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-07-13-13.00.log.html | 13:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all! | 13:46 |
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| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 14:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| acabot | hi | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
| alexchadin | hi | 14:00 |
| hvprash | hi | 14:00 |
| tkaczynski | hi | 14:00 |
| sballe_ | o/ | 14:00 |
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| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:00 |
| acabot | a big agenda today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#07.2F13.2F2016 | 14:00 |
| jinquan1 | hi | 14:00 |
| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| acabot | #info Today is the deadline to submit talks | 14:01 |
| acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Watcher_abstracts_barcelona2016 | 14:01 |
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| jwcroppe_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| jed56 | hi | 14:01 |
| jwcroppe_ | hi | 14:01 |
| acabot | we need a leader per talk to submit it right after the meeting | 14:02 |
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| acabot | I have set a leader in bold in the etherpad | 14:02 |
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| sballe_ | I see you are missing a leader on the hands-on lbab | 14:02 |
| acabot | missed dtradivel ;-) | 14:02 |
| sballe_ | oh I see :) | 14:02 |
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| acabot | dtardivel sballe_ jed56 hvprash good for you to submit your talk ? | 14:03 |
| jed56 | I need to work on the teaser | 14:03 |
| hvprash | for the watcher use case talk, it would be me or michael gugino. anyone else from core would like to be part of this talk ? | 14:03 |
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| acabot | hvprash : sballe_ will | 14:03 |
| jed56 | I'm going to do it today with vmahe | 14:04 |
| hvprash | ok | 14:04 |
| acabot | dtardivel : ok to submit your talk today ? | 14:04 |
| jed56 | sballe_: do you know if Edwin Zhai have something in mind | 14:04 |
| sballe_ | no but since he should be part of running the scalability tests | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | I am sue he will have some stuff to say | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | s/sure | 14:05 |
| acabot | jwcroppe : can we remove tpeoples from the hands-on as we need 3 speakers max ? | 14:05 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: yep, that's OK | 14:05 |
| sballe_ | acabot: We have 4 people on the Watcher roadmap one | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | Who should be taken off? | 14:06 |
| acabot | jinquan1 : I will also have to remove hanrong from the second talk, is that ok for you ? | 14:06 |
| jinquan1 | i don't know if hanrong are here? | 14:07 |
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| acabot | she's not | 14:07 |
| acabot | actualy she's connected | 14:07 |
| jinquan1 | she is attendi嗯 openstack china day | 14:08 |
| hanrong | I am here | 14:08 |
| sballe_ | acabot: Shouldn't we have a b-com person on that talk? | 14:08 |
| acabot | i'm sorry about that but a team from Intel asked us to introduce fingerprinting in this talk | 14:08 |
| sballe_ | We could tak Ananth off and just have him talk anyway | 14:08 |
| acabot | sballe_ : I would love to but you will have to take you off | 14:08 |
| sballe_ | I feel bad iht 2 intel people on the Watcher roadmap | 14:08 |
| acabot | ok | 14:09 |
| acabot | so jed56, do you want to be part of it ? | 14:09 |
| jwcroppe | sballe, acabot: so we'd have 3 people on the roadmap item? I'm fine with however we want to swing that. | 14:09 |
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| jed56 | yes but i want to have only one talk :) | 14:10 |
| acabot | just to clarify who needs to be registered today, of course we can change speakers at the summit | 14:10 |
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| vincentfrancoise | maybe we can put back hanrong then? | 14:10 |
| acabot | vincentfrancoise: +1 for diversity | 14:11 |
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| acabot | and we will see later if one person from bcom can talk | 14:11 |
| sballe_ | Can we have more thn 3 speakers on the submittion/ | 14:11 |
| acabot | sballe_ : no | 14:11 |
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| sballe_ | ok | 14:11 |
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| acabot | thats why I'm trying to have as many possible as possible on 4 talks ! | 14:11 |
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| acabot | looks good now | 14:12 |
| sballe_ | acabot: Edwin do not have to be n 2 talks | 14:12 |
| jed56 | we can maybe add in the TCO the fingerprint part | 14:12 |
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| jed56 | TCO talk | 14:12 |
| jwcroppe | I want to ensure we give others a chance to talk as well to maximize 'publicity' :) | 14:12 |
| sballe_ | Would it make sense to move the fingerprintng down on the TCO Optimization talk | 14:13 |
| sballe_ | jed56: Great mind think a like :) | 14:13 |
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| acabot | sballe_ I think the TCO will be more focused on benchmark results that adding strategies | 14:13 |
| sballe_ | and that way Ananth is on a talk | 14:13 |
| sballe_ | acabot: but it doesn't matter. We cn have 15 mins at the end on fingerprinting | 14:13 |
| acabot | ok done | 14:14 |
| alexchadin | Will we speak about the strategies and the differences between them? | 14:14 |
| acabot | Ananth replacing Edwin on TCO | 14:14 |
| acabot | 11 speakers ! | 14:14 |
| acabot | amazing | 14:15 |
| sballe_ | I mv the fingerprinting text down t TCO | 14:15 |
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| acabot | everybody will talk about Watcher in Barcelona ! :-D | 14:15 |
| sballe_ | this is so great! We have a great community now | 14:15 |
| hvprash | :) | 14:16 |
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| jinquan1 | great | 14:16 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel sballe_ jed56 hvprah : submit your talk today$ | 14:16 |
| acabot | #info mid-cycle agenda is open for additions / sync with Nova team in progress | 14:16 |
| acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-watcher-midcycle | 14:17 |
| acabot | I'd like to freeze the topics list today | 14:17 |
| acabot | and adjust the agenda EOW | 14:17 |
| acabot | so if you want to add any topic to discuss, please add it now | 14:17 |
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| jwcroppe | Yes, 11 speakers - very nice | 14:18 |
| acabot | jwcroppe : any IBM topic there https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-watcher-midcycle | 14:18 |
| acabot | ? | 14:18 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: It's on my list to review this week | 14:19 |
| acabot | ok before EOW please as I plan to finalize the agenda | 14:19 |
| jwcroppe | Will do by tomorrow | 14:19 |
| acabot | #info sync with Nova scheduler team in progress, we will add a topic in their agenda and try to attend an unconference session | 14:20 |
| acabot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-newton-midcycle | 14:20 |
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| acabot | for now "(acabot & jed56): Watcher host selection should respect the Nova policies. However, currently in Watcher we are bypassing the nova scheduler which results in the violation of nova placement policies." | 14:20 |
| sballe_ | acabot: Please add me to taht topic. I want to help on that on | 14:21 |
| acabot | we probably wont have any timeslot allocated so the best would probably be to have a common social event | 14:21 |
| sballe_ | I mentioned taht to edleafe | 14:21 |
| acabot | sballe_ could you think with mriedemm about that ? | 14:21 |
| acabot | s/think/sync | 14:21 |
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| sballe_ | on the dinner? | 14:22 |
| acabot | dinner or lunch | 14:22 |
| sballe_ | Will do | 14:22 |
| acabot | #action sync with mriedemm to set up a Nova/Watcher event (lunch or dinner) | 14:23 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ sync with mriedemm to set up a Nova/Watcher event (lunch or dinner) | 14:23 |
| acabot | #info Mascot for Watcher please come at the midcyle with a couple of animals or natural features in mind that represent Watcher | 14:23 |
| acabot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099046.html | 14:23 |
| sballe_ | acabot: that is a great idea. That way we can make stickers for the openstack summit | 14:23 |
| acabot | the foundation propose to create a mascot for Watcher | 14:23 |
| acabot | so I think we need to agree on something end of next week | 14:24 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: I take reach out to Matt on that | 14:24 |
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| jed56 | ;) | 14:24 |
| acabot | I will add a "brainstorming" slot in the agenda to find the good animal ;-) | 14:24 |
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| jwcroppe | acabot: he's an IBMer as well, I'll take that action to see if there's an evening that works | 14:24 |
| acabot | jwcroppe : great | 14:24 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ jwcroppe sync with mriedemm to set up a Nova/Watcher event (lunch or dinner) | 14:25 |
| acabot | #info Release naming process is open for Q & P, you should have received an email with a link to vote | 14:25 |
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| acabot | #info no meeting next week due to the midcycle | 14:25 |
| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:25 |
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| * edleafe just makes it back to the computer | 14:26 | |
| acabot | a lot of things merged this week as the n2 release is due | 14:26 |
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| acabot | Make default Planner generic has been merged #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337049/ | 14:26 |
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| acabot | Update define-the-audit-scope spec needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339456/ | 14:27 |
| jed56 | acabot: you add add me on it | 14:27 |
| alexchadin | It should be hold for now | 14:27 |
| acabot | #action jed56 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339456/ | 14:28 |
| alexchadin | until we get generic way to get resources | 14:28 |
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| jed56 | alexchadin: +2 we have to discuss that | 14:28 |
| acabot | alexchadin : yes we will add a BP that will be a dependancy on audit scope | 14:28 |
| vincentfrancoise | +1 ^^^ | 14:28 |
| acabot | Blueprint priorities for Newton needs reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341163/ | 14:29 |
| jed56 | alexchadin: after Portland I'm going with vincentfrancoise to work on that | 14:29 |
| alexchadin | jed56: appreciate it! | 14:29 |
| acabot | thx sballe_ for submitting it (I was very late) | 14:29 |
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| michaelgugino | hi all | 14:29 |
| acabot | #action jwcroppe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341163/ before midcycle | 14:29 |
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| acabot | Graph model describing virtual and physical elements in a data center & Consolidation of multiple Action-plans into a single one need reviews | 14:29 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298871/ | 14:30 |
| acabot | moving to Watcher | 14:30 |
| sballe_ | acabot: happy to help | 14:30 |
| jed56 | I still have to review "Consolidation of multiple Action-plans into a single one" | 14:30 |
| acabot | #info Watcher n2 released today | 14:30 |
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| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341520/ | 14:31 |
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| acabot | congrats to all our team for this release ! | 14:31 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:31 |
| jwcroppe | +2 | 14:31 |
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| vincentfrancoise | +2 | 14:31 |
| acabot | 7 BPs & 12 bugs | 14:31 |
| acabot | sorry 6 BPs | 14:32 |
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| alexchadin | +2 | 14:32 |
| jinquan1 | +1 | 14:32 |
| jed56 | great job ! | 14:32 |
| acabot | a lot of code as been merged | 14:32 |
| hvprash | nice ! | 14:32 |
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| acabot | actually all code related to n2 :-) | 14:32 |
| acabot | Add scoring engines to database and API layers needs reviews | 14:33 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330382/ | 14:33 |
| acabot | Add rally-jobs folder to get rally support needs more tests | 14:33 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333371/ | 14:33 |
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| acabot | Watcher-client | 14:34 |
| acabot | Add scoring engine commands needs reviews from core | 14:34 |
| acabot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330385/ | 14:34 |
| acabot | #action jed56 vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330385/ | 14:35 |
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| gzhai-mobl | i can for 333371 | 14:35 |
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| tkaczynski | I believe it was already reviewed, but is waiting for review the other part in watcher repo | 14:35 |
| acabot | #action gzhai-mobl review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333371/ | 14:35 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : what do you mean ? | 14:36 |
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| acabot | ok you mean we are waiting for other part of your code ? | 14:36 |
| alexchadin | gzhai-mobl: I'll update it as soon as watcher plugin is released | 14:36 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: see the comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330385/ | 14:36 |
| gzhai-mobl | alexchadin:ok | 14:37 |
| acabot | ok the depends-on | 14:37 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:38 |
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| acabot | #info next milestone is Newton-3 (August 29th) | 14:38 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: in order to review the scoring engine. I would appreciate to have the whole implementation | 14:39 |
| acabot | #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/newton-3 | 14:39 |
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| jed56 | do you think this is something possible ? | 14:39 |
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| alexchadin | acabot: please take a look when you have time: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/refactor-continuous-type | 14:40 |
| tkaczynski | jed56: cannot we close on this already sent for review? the whole idea is to submit work in batches. the next part is coming | 14:40 |
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| alexchadin | acabot: I've added it just before meeting | 14:40 |
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| tkaczynski | the submitted part is fairly independent from the rest | 14:41 |
| acabot | alexchadin : sure let me add to open discussions | 14:41 |
| acabot | #topic Open discussion | 14:42 |
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| acabot | alexchadin : can you explain your BP a little bit ? | 14:42 |
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| jed56 | alexchadin: we should discuss "refactor-continuous-type" I'm not sure that this add a real value | 14:42 |
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| alexchadin | I propose to store audit jobs in DB | 14:42 |
| michaelgugino | I'd like some reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330165/ It's not finished, but it's getting close. But the patch set is getting rather large, and I'd prefer to get some eyes on this sooner than later so I don't have to keep rebasing | 14:43 |
| jed56 | moreover, apscheduler can handle that | 14:43 |
| alexchadin | jed56: if it is possible, I may work on it without BP | 14:43 |
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| acabot | michaelgugino : sorry for missing it | 14:43 |
| alexchadin | jed56: yes, it would be good to use this feature | 14:43 |
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| acabot | alexchadin : I dont see the value of itl | 14:44 |
| michaelgugino | specifically, if there are any glaring test cases anyone would like to see covered, please post them in a review, and I'll be happy to write them into the patch set. There's just a ton of changes, scope of this patch was larger than I thought it would be. | 14:45 |
| acabot | why do you want to store audit jobs in DB ? | 14:45 |
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| acabot | who wants to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330165/ ? | 14:45 |
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| hvprash | agree with michaelgugino.. need more reviews | 14:46 |
| alexchadin | acabot: if decision engine service is restarted, we can add audit jobs back to memory and run them according their schedule | 14:46 |
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| jinquan1 | i can review 330165 | 14:46 |
| vincentfrancoise | michaelgugino: I'll review your code | 14:46 |
| michaelgugino | great, thanks | 14:47 |
| acabot | #action jinquan1 vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330165/ | 14:47 |
| gzhai-mobl | alexchadin:we can just restart according to the period, right? | 14:48 |
| acabot | alexchadin : do you think this case will happened often ? | 14:48 |
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| gzhai-mobl | acanot: engine may crash. | 14:49 |
| acabot | ok I suggest to discuss it next week and set a priority | 14:50 |
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| alexchadin | acabot: otherwise we need to recreate continuous audits to run them properly | 14:50 |
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| acabot | does all midcycle attendees will be in Hillsboro on tuesday morning ? | 14:51 |
| gzhai-mobl | jul17? | 14:52 |
| sballe_ | dd everybody see the buildings for each day? | 14:52 |
| sballe_ | I added that to the etherpad | 14:52 |
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| acabot | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-watcher-midcycle | 14:52 |
| sballe_ | acabot: I will be there | 14:52 |
| acabot | sballe_ I hope so :-D | 14:52 |
| sballe_ | :) | 14:52 |
| gzhai-mobl | sballe: i saw it. thank you | 14:52 |
| acabot | we will start at 9am as we will have european folks in remote | 14:53 |
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| sballe_ | Let's meet in the lobby at 8:45am or 9? | 14:53 |
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| sballe_ | and we'll walk up to the room from there | 14:54 |
| acabot | 8:45 | 14:54 |
| acabot | ok so see you next week for most of you | 14:54 |
| acabot | no IRC meeting next week | 14:54 |
| acabot | bye | 14:55 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
| jed56 | bye | 14:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 14:55:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| tkaczynski | bye | 14:55 |
| hvprash | bye | 14:55 |
| gzhai-mobl | bye | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-07-13-14.00.html | 14:55 |
| jinquan1 | bye | 14:55 |
| alexchadin | bye | 14:55 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-07-13-14.00.txt | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-07-13-14.00.log.html | 14:55 |
| jed56 | We are away today | 14:55 |
| jed56 | two days | 14:55 |
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| sballe_ | bye | 14:56 |
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| serverascode | #startmeeting operators_telco_nfv | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 15:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is serverascode. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_telco_nfv)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_telco_nfv' | 15:00 |
| serverascode | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: operators_telco_nfv)" | 15:00 | |
| serverascode | hello, anyone here for the ops telecom meeting? :) | 15:00 |
| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telco-nfv-meeting-agenda | 15:00 |
| serverascode | there's the agenda, please have a look and add items or make changes | 15:01 |
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| serverascode | will wait a few min | 15:02 |
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| ulik | #info Uli Kleber | 15:02 |
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| serverascode | hi Uli | 15:03 |
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| ulik | Hi, are we again small group? | 15:04 |
| PerfectChaos | Looks like. | 15:04 |
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| PerfectChaos | (Also, hi~) | 15:04 |
| serverascode | 3 so far looks like | 15:04 |
| RandyLevensalor | Hi...I'm just lurking for my first meeting :) | 15:05 |
| serverascode | hi RandyLevensalor, thanks for coming by | 15:05 |
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| ulik | So I at least someone heard my advertizing | 15:05 |
| RandyLevensalor | #info Randy Levensalor | 15:06 |
| RandyLevensalor | ulik, yeah | 15:06 |
| serverascode | ok well perhaps we just kinda keep movin' on | 15:06 |
| serverascode | #topic last meeting actions | 15:06 |
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| serverascode | 1. serverascode set [telecom-nfv] tag | 15:06 |
| serverascode | 2. ulik share operators list and tag with OPNFV folks | 15:06 |
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| serverascode | so I did email the ops list, changing the email tag from [telco][nfv] to plain old [telecom-nfv] | 15:07 |
| serverascode | ulik, sounds like you did share the meeting details with other OPNFVers so we completed both of those actions :) | 15:07 |
| serverascode | next topic! | 15:08 |
| ulik | There was one more info. | 15:08 |
| ulik | We have a community page for OpenStack in OPNFV wiki | 15:08 |
| ulik | #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/COM/OpenStack | 15:08 |
| ulik | There is a lot of stuff there. | 15:09 |
| serverascode | ah, cool ok | 15:09 |
| ulik | It is far from complete. | 15:09 |
| ulik | But we have a selection of OPNFV projects there together with the actions they tried to push in OpenStack. | 15:09 |
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| serverascode | yeah that is really handy | 15:10 |
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| serverascode | I will have to read through that | 15:10 |
| serverascode | should we go on to the mission statement? | 15:11 |
| serverascode | #topic mission statement | 15:11 |
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| serverascode | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telecom-nfv-mission-statement | 15:11 |
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| serverascode | did anyone have a chance to look at it? I'm not sure where we go from here -- do we start editing collaboratively somehow? | 15:12 |
| PerfectChaos | Side-note: It turned out there was a small amount clipped from the end of the first line when I pasted it in here last week, too. | 15:12 |
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| PerfectChaos | Hooray for working in a medium with character limits that aren't obvious on the client-side, I guess. | 15:13 |
| PerfectChaos | I've just added the missing words back into the etherpad. | 15:13 |
| serverascode | super thanks PerfectChaos | 15:13 |
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| PerfectChaos | Also it looks as though someone accidentally pasted in something else they were working on? | 15:14 |
| serverascode | perhaps we can all take an action item to read through it and perhaps come up with some editing suggestions? | 15:14 |
| serverascode | yeah I see that at the top there, the 180 ringing service? | 15:14 |
| PerfectChaos | Yup. | 15:14 |
| serverascode | I'll take that out, not sure where it came from | 15:14 |
| ulik | Should we try the mission statement attract people, so they will use us to help them in OpenStack? | 15:15 |
| serverascode | it'll be in the history if someone needs it back for some reason | 15:15 |
| ulik | (that implies the question: who will use the mission statement?) | 15:15 |
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| serverascode | well, I think one of the mission statements uses is to describe what hte group does so other people can understand what we are doing | 15:16 |
| serverascode | is that what you mean? | 15:16 |
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| ulik | Let's say, if I point OPNFV people to read that, I would hope, they understand that we can help them get their ideas discussed with the right people in OpenStack community. | 15:17 |
| serverascode | ah, ok | 15:18 |
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| ulik | But if we need to convince some OpenStack leaders that this WG has value, we might need to have other stuff in the mission statement. | 15:18 |
| ulik | :) | 15:18 |
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| serverascode | absolutely | 15:19 |
| ulik | Do we need to do both? | 15:19 |
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| serverascode | I think we do yeah, we need people like the opensack foundation to understand, as well as that end users can ask us to help them get improvements into openstack | 15:20 |
| serverascode | I put a section in for suggested changes, so feel free to add any ideas there too | 15:21 |
| RandyLevensalor | Is there any relationship from this group to the ops working group? | 15:22 |
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| serverascode | which ops working group? the "osops" group in openstack? | 15:22 |
| serverascode | or something in opnfv? | 15:22 |
| RandyLevensalor | osops | 15:22 |
| serverascode | not as of yet | 15:23 |
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| serverascode | but if we ever write any code to help with nfv operations it might end up in the osops repos | 15:23 |
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| serverascode | ok, so perhaps we all take an action item to review the mission statement and make some suggestions for next meeting, sound ok? | 15:24 |
| ulik | What is osops? | 15:25 |
| ulik | Yes. AI is good! | 15:25 |
| serverascode | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Osops | 15:25 |
| serverascode | I'm not too sure where osops is now, but the original goal as far as I know was to get opentstack ATC (?) status for operators | 15:25 |
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| ulik | Great. That also gives an example mission statement :) | 15:26 |
| serverascode | yeah good point | 15:26 |
| serverascode | they have several repos where operational oriented code goes into | 15:26 |
| serverascode | but that is just my impression | 15:26 |
| serverascode | right, this is a good segue into the next topice | 15:27 |
| serverascode | #topic openstack working group process | 15:27 |
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| serverascode | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-July/010997.html | 15:28 |
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| serverascode | Edgar from the openstack user commitee sent me that email | 15:28 |
| serverascode | so one of the things we might have to do is work through that process to become and official working group | 15:28 |
| serverascode | I'm not super clear on how that works though | 15:28 |
| serverascode | if anyone wanted to take that as an action that'd be cool, just to figure out what it means | 15:29 |
| serverascode | otherwise I will work on it :) | 15:29 |
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| serverascode | ok, next topic | 15:30 |
| ulik | What is the main difference between a WG under TC or under UC? | 15:30 |
| serverascode | I am not too sure right now | 15:31 |
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| RandyLevensalor | I think that UC is more focused on using openstack. Where TC is focused on development of a component. | 15:31 |
| serverascode | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QmLOeseAkjBWM_TXsUeKBErNaSHnuZp81II0T71ARfo/edit | 15:31 |
| Julien-zte | #info Julien | 15:31 |
| serverascode | ^^ that's the user committee charter | 15:31 |
| serverascode | they also have a mission statment :) | 15:32 |
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| ulik | Sounds like we can copy a lot from that mission statement ;-) | 15:33 |
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| serverascode | yeah | 15:34 |
| serverascode | I guess this topic was more informational, that there is a user committee and that to be an official working group we'll need to work with them | 15:34 |
| serverascode | I will investigate some more and report back next meeting | 15:35 |
| serverascode | #action serverascode investigate user committee working group requirements | 15:35 |
| serverascode | any other thoughts on that? | 15:35 |
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| ulik | I think we all need to read through the whole document, since it will tell us how we have to work as a UC WG | 15:36 |
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| serverascode | ok | 15:36 |
| serverascode | #action everyone read the UC charter document | 15:37 |
| serverascode | now we all have an action :) | 15:37 |
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| ulik | WGs for them are temporary. Functional teams are permanent. What are we? | 15:37 |
| serverascode | yeah that is an interesting point | 15:38 |
| serverascode | I would think we would be more a long term team | 15:38 |
| PerfectChaos | If that's the main distinction, I'd see this more as a functional team | 15:39 |
| ulik | yes. Me too | 15:39 |
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| serverascode | #agreed We are likely a functional team as opposed to a working group in the UC definition | 15:40 |
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| serverascode | I think it's going to take some time to move through that process | 15:40 |
| ulik | Just another thought. | 15:41 |
| ulik | This former telco wg. Did it have such a status? | 15:41 |
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| serverascode | I'm not sure, I think the UC thing might be new | 15:42 |
| serverascode | I can look into that though | 15:42 |
| ulik | But anyways. I feel that such a status will not protect us from a similar fate. | 15:42 |
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| serverascode | right | 15:43 |
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| PerfectChaos | As I understand it, the Telco WG had a specific end goal in mind, and achieved that. | 15:43 |
| PerfectChaos | And so it somewhat fit the UC's definition. | 15:44 |
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| ulik | While we are working on bringing our wg to a proper status in OpenStack organization, we should try to create value for some people. | 15:45 |
| serverascode | yup, that would be the next topic I believe :) | 15:45 |
| serverascode | #topic Things to work on | 15:45 |
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| ulik | Maybe we find ideas for creating value when reading that community page in OPNFV wiki or such stuff. | 15:46 |
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| serverascode | as an informational note, I was kind of modelling this group on the openstack operators large deployment team | 15:46 |
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| serverascode | they would pick one or two major items to work on over medium to long term time frames | 15:47 |
| serverascode | I don't know if that is what we should do, but it seems to work for them | 15:47 |
| serverascode | that's the large deployment team that's listed in the UC doc we were just looking at | 15:47 |
| serverascode | does anyone have any thoughts on that? should we be looking at a bunch of small projects, or a couple larger ones? | 15:48 |
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| ulik | I think that would be a good thing. We shouldn't pick too small (not much value) or too big (too challenging) | 15:49 |
| RandyLevensalor | What about capturing several use cases and then deciding on the top ones to work on for the N or O release. | 15:49 |
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| serverascode | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Deployment_Team | 15:49 |
| ulik | Yes. Everybody could bring proposals to next meeting :) | 15:49 |
| RandyLevensalor | OPNFV could be leveraged for some of the use cases | 15:49 |
| ulik | Yes! | 15:50 |
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| serverascode | all great points | 15:50 |
| serverascode | I think a medium project sounds good too | 15:51 |
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| serverascode | but like ulik said, we need to start working on something | 15:51 |
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| * PerfectChaos nods | 15:51 | |
| serverascode | so is it enough for today to say bring some proposals to the next meeting? | 15:51 |
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| PerfectChaos | Given the timescales, I'd say the O release looks more likely... | 15:52 |
| serverascode | true | 15:52 |
| RandyLevensalor | agreed | 15:52 |
| serverascode | lets not forget too that our project could be not related to code, could be documentation or performance testing, etc | 15:52 |
| serverascode | there's a lot of value in those kinds of projects as well | 15:53 |
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| PerfectChaos | Yup. | 15:53 |
| serverascode | also it would be good to solve problems we are experiencing ourselves as operators, be it in production or in the lab, or otherwise | 15:53 |
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| serverascode | ok so bring some ideas to the next meeting? | 15:54 |
| serverascode | #action Everyone bring project ideas for the next meeting | 15:54 |
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| serverascode | shall we move on to open topics/discussion? | 15:55 |
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| serverascode | #topic Open discussion | 15:56 |
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| serverascode | so we have a couple min of open discussion, so if you have anything to add throw it out there :) | 15:56 |
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| RandyLevensalor | OpenStack summit CFP ends today. Should this WG submit a talk? | 15:57 |
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| serverascode | that's a good thought, I'm not sure what we would even submit though | 15:58 |
| PerfectChaos | It feels a bit early in the day for that. | 15:58 |
| serverascode | what's after barcelona? boston? I'm sure we could do something for that | 15:59 |
| PerfectChaos | I'm not sure we have much to talk about that's specific to this WG yet. | 15:59 |
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| serverascode | also, is anyone coming to the operators meetup in NYC in August? | 15:59 |
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| PerfectChaos | But potentially something on challenges unique to NFV ops or such could be on the cards for Boston. | 15:59 |
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| serverascode | 20 seconds left ha | 15:59 |
| RandyLevensalor | Ok. We could talk about the mission statement and goals of the WG. The top use cases. | 15:59 |
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| serverascode | ah, I'm going to have to close off the meeting | 16:00 |
| serverascode | thanks everyone for coming! | 16:00 |
| serverascode | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 16:00:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-07-13-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-07-13-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_telco_nfv/2016/operators_telco_nfv.2016-07-13-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| boden | HenryG, dougwig: around? | 17:30 |
| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 13 17:31:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:31 |
| dougwig | boden: aye | 17:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:31 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 17:31 |
| johnsom | o/ | 17:31 |
| boden | o/ | 17:31 |
| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 17:31 |
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| kevinbenton | Hi | 17:31 |
| dougwig | we've grown beyond my envelope planning, so if you could all help me fill this out today and going forward: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nl-planning | 17:31 |
| HenryG | ack | 17:32 |
| dougwig | moving on, looks like boden gave us a nice agenda. | 17:32 |
| dougwig | #topic feedback on the high-level approach for a public python API generation tool | 17:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "feedback on the high-level approach for a public python API generation tool (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:32 | |
| dougwig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338571/ | 17:32 |
| HenryG | I have not had time to look at it in any depth | 17:33 |
| dougwig | boden: anything you want to add here? else we'll just let this serve as raising visibility for later feedback. | 17:33 |
| boden | HenryG: when you do, really the only depth I’m looking for is to read the commit message + links and provide feedback | 17:33 |
| boden | don’t look at code… scarry stuff in there! | 17:33 |
| HenryG | was that a deliberate typo? :) | 17:34 |
| boden | nothing else; pls just have a look when you get a min | 17:34 |
| boden | never! | 17:34 |
| dougwig | ok, next | 17:34 |
| dougwig | #topic release cadence | 17:34 |
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| dougwig | looks like boden wants more frequent releases? | 17:35 |
| HenryG | I am OK with that, but ... | 17:35 |
| HenryG | There is some infra plumbing still pending to allow checking against neutron-lib master | 17:35 |
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| HenryG | Until all those bits land, we have a hard time guaging the impact of adopting a new neutron-lib release | 17:36 |
| boden | HenryG: where is that plumbing; in neutron-lib gate? | 17:36 |
| HenryG | boden: it's in infra/project-config | 17:37 |
| dougwig | armax has been working on adding periodic jobs | 17:37 |
| dougwig | modeled after how oslo has done it | 17:37 |
| boden | I see | 17:37 |
| armax | dougwig: one patch is still outstanding | 17:37 |
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| boden | +1 on that; we need it IMO | 17:37 |
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| dougwig | what modules are you wanting released, specifically, btw? | 17:38 |
| HenryG | And then there's the manual recipe, which fails grenade currently | 17:38 |
| boden | dougwig: nothing per say. I’m more so kicking the topic of “is it easier for adopters/contributors if we have more frequent releases” | 17:39 |
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| boden | this is likely related to the last bullet on the agenda | 17:40 |
| dougwig | ok, i'm personally not in a hurry until we get the tests in place to make sure we don't regress. | 17:40 |
| HenryG | dougwig: +1 | 17:40 |
| boden | dougwig: agree. we need to get the right plumbing in place | 17:40 |
| dougwig | let's keep progressing on that front and revisit this, then. | 17:40 |
| dougwig | next | 17:40 |
| dougwig | #topic neutron pep8 jobs running for neutron-lib gate | 17:40 |
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| dougwig | armax: is that job part of your periodic batch? | 17:40 |
| armax | dougwig: nop | 17:41 |
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| dougwig | ok, it's likely the same template, so i'll wait until you're done, then we can add it. | 17:41 |
| armax | dougwig: something to think about | 17:42 |
| armax | dougwig: running pep8 against neutron-lib can alert folks of new hacking checsk | 17:42 |
| armax | checks | 17:42 |
| armax | but I’d be less inclined to think that’s useful | 17:42 |
| armax | on a periodic basis | 17:42 |
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| dougwig | i'm fine running units and pep8 on every lib patchset, personally. | 17:43 |
| boden | dougwig: +1 | 17:43 |
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| armax | dougwig: I just don’t want to abuse the infra tool | 17:44 |
| armax | unless it’s useful to catch unexpected brekages | 17:44 |
| armax | the planned ones can be tackled with communication | 17:44 |
| dougwig | armax: unit jobs are cheap; i'd expect we can even run all of pep/py27/py34 for multiple repos on a single node, so it's just tox for all of them. | 17:44 |
| dougwig | and still keep that node well under the runtime of the neutron full job | 17:45 |
| armax | dougwig: cheapness is not the point | 17:45 |
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| dougwig | we already broke the world once with new hacking checks, which is where this originated | 17:46 |
| boden | I’d love to see a way we can trigger a lib master build against a target project(s), say for prep of lib release | 17:46 |
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| armax | dougwig: I would hope that was intentional :) | 17:47 |
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| boden | growing pains | 17:47 |
| dougwig | armax: ha, the 'never import neutron' check might've been a wee bit premature to automatically enable itself everywhere. | 17:48 |
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| armax | dougwig: duh! | 17:48 |
| armax | :) | 17:48 |
| dougwig | the subprojects inherit the checks from neutron master, but not the exclude list. | 17:48 |
| dougwig | which is obvious in hindsight. | 17:48 |
| dougwig | alright, armax and i can discuss this once the periodics are working. | 17:49 |
| dougwig | next | 17:49 |
| dougwig | #topic "documenting public APIs with pydoc string" | 17:49 |
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| dougwig | boden, this one is yours | 17:49 |
| armax | dougwig: aye | 17:49 |
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| boden | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340580/ | 17:49 |
| boden | there, done :) | 17:49 |
| HenryG | It's RST not pydoc, but I think we are in agreement | 17:49 |
| boden | HenryG: patch already updated | 17:49 |
| HenryG | I don't think we need to discuss here | 17:50 |
| boden | nope | 17:50 |
| armax | I just gave it a -1 | 17:50 |
| armax | btw :) | 17:50 |
| dougwig | haha, good old armax. | 17:50 |
| boden | armax: how dare you! | 17:50 |
| dougwig | #topic "general process of 'letting code back' in its source project before rehoming to neutron-lib can be a bit of a catch22" | 17:51 |
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| dougwig | boden: want to explain this one? | 17:51 |
| armax | boden: you don’t know me well enough | 17:51 |
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| armax | boden: if you had started working on neutron first you’d know I dare very much | 17:51 |
| boden | simply stated - I’d like to tell people getting stuff into neutron lib can be fast and easy… today’s its slow and confusing | 17:51 |
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| dougwig | neutron people or subproject people? | 17:52 |
| dougwig | and is 'fast' code for 'submit to lib, use from lib directly' ? | 17:52 |
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| HenryG | I think it's almost always going to be slowish because we have to be very careful. | 17:53 |
| boden | example: often we are telling people in neutron patch reviews that it need to go into lib. So they try to get into lib and we tell them it must bake in neutron 1st, and even if you get it into lib it’ll be awhile to get a release | 17:53 |
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| boden | ok: so is it a case-by-case basis if it need to bake in the source project before comming into lib, or is it a blanket “bake it in your project first”? | 17:54 |
| HenryG | So I think we should stop telling people that new code should go directly to lib. | 17:54 |
| boden | HenryG: no objections; I just want to make sure we are all on the same page + in some agreement | 17:55 |
| boden | I don’t hear anyone complaining that we make it bake in the source project.. turn that oven on ;) | 17:56 |
| njohnston | So let's say I am adding an interface between neutron and other projects, like the l3 agent extension stuff. Other projects use it. Then it gets shifted into neutron-lib. Do we need to drop deprecation notices where it was implemented originally? | 17:56 |
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| armax | HenryG: who make such statements? | 17:56 |
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| HenryG | armax: I may have implied some things when I was still a lib n00b. | 17:57 |
| armax | HenryG: I think the statement can apply depending on the context | 17:57 |
| boden | I may be guilty as well | 17:57 |
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| njohnston | armax: That was how I read your comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329701/5/neutron/agent/l3/l3_agent_extension.py initially | 17:57 |
| HenryG | armax: everything depends on context | 17:58 |
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| armax | njohnston: I obviously clarified what I meant | 17:58 |
| dougwig | so this one boils down to us all being horrible human beings? | 17:58 |
| armax | njohnston: having said taht | 17:58 |
| armax | incubating code on the periphery may be counterproductive | 17:59 |
| armax | library development doesn’t have to happen in a sandbox | 17:59 |
| armax | necessarily | 17:59 |
| armax | so for new code, I am not sure that ‘go over there and play with it first’ approach makes sense | 18:00 |
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| armax | in the context of a library review we can judge whether code is well written, and for that a probation period doesn’t help necessarily | 18:01 |
| armax | on the contrary it makes things more cumbersome than they need to be | 18:01 |
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| HenryG | The problem with bugs in lib code though, is that it is slow getting the fix out to the affected parties. | 18:02 |
| HenryG | That's why I see the benefit of incubation to get past the initial bugs. | 18:03 |
| boden | HenryG: that’s why I was kicking the “faster release” topic. or at least 1 motivation | 18:03 |
| armax | oslo has bugs | 18:03 |
| armax | libraries have bugs | 18:03 |
| armax | software has bugs! | 18:03 |
| armax | there’s no escape | 18:03 |
| HenryG | even your code? :) | 18:04 |
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| armax | yes | 18:04 |
| armax | my code first and foremost! | 18:04 |
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| boden | imo if we can release faster it shouldn’t be a big deal per say; fix and release | 18:05 |
| dougwig | boden: note that to do a release we must: 1) review the interface changes (no problem), 2) make a release patch (no problem), 3) wait for the release patch to merge (out of our hands), 4) wait for it to publish to pypi and propagate (out of our hands), 5) submit requirements patch, 6) wait for g-r to merge (usually a LONG delay), 7) wait for proposal bot to | 18:06 |
| dougwig | propagate. that isn't a process that can go fast in terms of latency of a single patch. | 18:06 |
| boden | so 3-7 is days or weeks? | 18:06 |
| HenryG | This happens to oslo, and armax says that is OK | 18:06 |
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| dougwig | i've had 6) take weeks. even longer if it's a milestone freeze. | 18:07 |
| armax | I am saying that it’s how it is, now it’s one thing to deal with 1 bug, another is dealing with 100 | 18:07 |
| kevinbenton | neutron-lib isn't the same as oslo. we have very specific neutron logic in the lib | 18:07 |
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| kevinbenton | so it's very coupled to neutron feature development | 18:07 |
| armax | kevinbenton: is that a metaphore for saying we suck at writing code? | 18:08 |
| armax | kevinbenton: that might as well be a point very well made | 18:08 |
| kevinbenton | no, i'm just saying the turnaround of waiting for releases is very cumbersome for neutron development | 18:08 |
| armax | writing as well as reviewing, mind you | 18:08 |
| dougwig | i think he's saying that an ml2 port interface needing a new parameter for its models isnt' the same as a string parser. | 18:09 |
| dougwig | /that an/that adding an/ | 18:09 |
| kevinbenton | oslo is stuff that is orthoganally related to the actual tasks at hand | 18:09 |
| dougwig | man, my fix made the grammar even worse. | 18:09 |
| armax | dougwig: I think there are two issues | 18:09 |
| armax | one issue is to design a good interface | 18:09 |
| armax | the other is to implement a good interface | 18:09 |
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| armax | bugs can affect both | 18:10 |
| armax | I am not so worries about the latter compared to the former | 18:10 |
| armax | we gotta nail the former | 18:10 |
| armax | and for that I don’t think that baking in a sandbox is necessarily the right thing to do every time | 18:10 |
| boden | armax: +1 | 18:10 |
| armax | and my second point should be rewritten as | 18:11 |
| armax | do a good implementation of the aforementioned interface | 18:11 |
| dougwig | armax: i'd agree with that. i'd also have no problems, personally, submitting an interface as a lib review at the same time i submit the same thing in neutron, and if they diverge, reconciling later. | 18:11 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: that's because you don't develop neutron interfaces :P | 18:11 |
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| kevinbenton | most of our interfaces are a complete disaster initially | 18:12 |
| kevinbenton | and we figure out better stuff even in quick follow up patches | 18:13 |
| HenryG | So what is the magic recipe for designing a good interface? | 18:13 |
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| dougwig | kevinbenton: "initially" ? :) | 18:13 |
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| dougwig | ok, so we've scoped the issue. does anyone have any preferences as to how we adjust our process to make things better, if anything? | 18:14 |
| njohnston | Just one point of clarification: do we follow standard interface deprecation policy when we shift something from neutron to neutron-lib? | 18:15 |
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| njohnston | So let's say I have a brand new interface (I have the l3 agent extensions in mind), and it bakes in neutron for a cycle, then it'll have deprecation warnings for the next two. I think this is how it works, but I want to be sure. | 18:16 |
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| dougwig | njohnston: no. neutron is not meant to be an interface. we will automatically fix stadium projects that we break, but outside, it's the wild west. | 18:16 |
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| njohnston | I see, that simplifies things a bit. Thanks. | 18:17 |
| HenryG | I agree. Deprecation only for existing stuff. | 18:17 |
| dougwig | that was me drawing a line in the sand. feel free to disagree. :) | 18:18 |
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| njohnston | No, I think it lowers the level of cognitive dissonance on my part, so I like it. | 18:18 |
| HenryG | dougwig: Perhaps send an email drawing N-2 as the line? | 18:18 |
| dougwig | are you concerned that fwaas using the interface in neutron will be broken? because unless you're planning for mismatched server release versions of neutron vs fwaas, i don't think it's possible to get into trouble with my statement above. | 18:19 |
| njohnston | No, I was thinking in general terms, because once it's released I don't know who is going to come in and want to use the interface. | 18:19 |
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| dougwig | i'll just point at hacking rule N530, which counts double for anything new. | 18:20 |
| dougwig | HenryG: i didn't follow that. | 18:21 |
| njohnston | according to N530 the l3 agent extensions should be developed in neutron-lib from inception | 18:21 |
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| dougwig | so if we imagine ourselves three releases from now, yes, that's true. is what it's being done of top of moved at that point, too? | 18:22 |
| njohnston | at least, assuming FWaaS will be subject to N530, which I assume is the case | 18:22 |
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| dougwig | do we see a problem there, or just pointing it out? | 18:24 |
| HenryG | dougwig: I meant an email announcing that subprojects consuming any neutron code added after N-2 will be SOL. | 18:25 |
| dougwig | (almost out of time today) | 18:25 |
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| njohnston | dougwig: Let me hit you up after, if that's OK. I feel like there is something I am missing. | 18:26 |
| dougwig | ok | 18:26 |
| dougwig | HenryG: ok | 18:26 |
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| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 18:26 |
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| johnsom | FYI, HenryG this just needs rebased:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337268 | 18:27 |
| dougwig | boden: i skipped your covered topic, as that just looks like a bug. | 18:27 |
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| HenryG | I think it was an infra blip. Works fine for new jobs | 18:27 |
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| HenryG | johnsom: ack | 18:28 |
| boden | dougwig: what bug? sorry I missed context | 18:28 |
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| dougwig | boden: will follow-up after | 18:29 |
| boden | dougwig: ack | 18:29 |
| dougwig | looks like HenryG answered, though | 18:29 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 13 18:29:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-07-13-17.31.html | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-07-13-17.31.txt | 18:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-07-13-17.31.log.html | 18:29 |
| HenryG | boden: file not found in coverage job links | 18:29 |
| boden | oh right | 18:29 |
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