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| dtardivel | #startmeeting watcher | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 22 09:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtardivel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 09:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 09:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 09:00 |
| dtardivel | hi | 09:00 |
| gzhai2 | hello | 09:00 |
| brunograz | hi | 09:00 |
| alexchadin | o/ | 09:00 |
| sballe_ | Hi | 09:00 |
| dtardivel | acabot is not available today. I replace him for this meeting :) | 09:01 |
| dtardivel | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#06.2F22.2F2016 | 09:01 |
| jed56 | good UGT morning | 09:01 |
| * dtardivel what is UGT ? | 09:02 | |
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| * jed56 (http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html) | 09:02 | |
| tkaczynski | hi | 09:02 |
| hanrong1 | hi | 09:02 |
| dtardivel | #topic Announcements | 09:03 |
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| dtardivel | Call for presentations opens for Barcelona summit opened until July, 13. at 11:59PM PDT. | 09:03 |
| dtardivel | 3 talks are already proposed on the dedicaded etherpad (#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Watcher_abstracts_barcelona2016) | 09:03 |
| dtardivel | 1 Demo and Hands-on lab | 09:04 |
| dtardivel | 2 Plans for the O-release and beyond | 09:04 |
| gzhai2 | Was watcher demo/hands-on accepted for last summit? | 09:04 |
| jinquan | hi | 09:04 |
| dtardivel | 3 Reduce your TCO with Watcher, a concreter use case | 09:04 |
| dtardivel | gzhai2: no | 09:05 |
| tkaczynski | gzhai2: but Watcher was not big tent then | 09:05 |
| gzhai2 | We have chance this time:) | 09:05 |
| sballe_ | Yes | 09:05 |
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| gzhai2 | yes. | 09:05 |
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| dtardivel | do you know what is the format of a hands-on talk ? | 09:06 |
| alexstav | \o | 09:06 |
| sballe_ | It is a special lab | 09:06 |
| tkaczynski | isn't a hands-on a kind of training? some exercises to do | 09:07 |
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| sballe_ | It is not really a talk they'll treat this as a lab | 09:07 |
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| sballe_ | We will be ask for requirement like people need to bring laptops etc | 09:07 |
| sballe_ | We'll sit in a room and go over how to Istall etc | 09:08 |
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| dtardivel | Ok, so we have to prepare carefully this technical session. I know, by experience, that such session can be tricky when there is a lot of people | 09:08 |
| tkaczynski | you can also send an email upfront with instructions how to setup devstack or whatever | 09:08 |
| sballe_ | We'll need usb drive etc | 09:08 |
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| jed56 | tkaczynski: good idea | 09:09 |
| jed56 | we also prepare a VirtualBox Image with everything | 09:09 |
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| jed56 | sballe_: +2 | 09:09 |
| sballe_ | tkaczynski: when we did it we setup everything from a usb People will not do homework | 09:10 |
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| dtardivel | OK, we will see later how to prepare this session if we have a slot at Barcelona | 09:10 |
| tkaczynski | I've been in Austin on such hands-ons - some of them were interesting, but there was one really bad. I took notes actually what NOT to do ;) | 09:10 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: you can share with us | 09:11 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 09:11 |
| gzhai2 | tkaczynski:cool | 09:11 |
| tkaczynski | sure, will do when the time comes | 09:11 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski: I'm going to do the hands labs :) | 09:11 |
| jed56 | so i need these informations :) | 09:11 |
| dtardivel | About talk on TCO reduction, jed56 add an item in the Portland agenda | 09:11 |
| tkaczynski | jed56: I'll be happy to share my notes :) | 09:12 |
| jed56 | great! | 09:12 |
| jed56 | dtardivel: yes ! Basically, I would like that we choose a use case | 09:12 |
| jed56 | s/a/an | 09:13 |
| jed56 | oops | 09:13 |
| jed56 | We want to demonstrate that watcher can reduce the TCO | 09:13 |
| jed56 | So, we should carefully the strategy | 09:14 |
| jed56 | select | 09:14 |
| jed56 | I'm starting to work on PerfkitBenchmaker | 09:14 |
| jed56 | It seems that we could this took to generate some workloads on a real infrastructure | 09:15 |
| jed56 | But, what kind of workloads ? | 09:15 |
| sballe_ | + | 09:15 |
| alexchadin | it depends on types of metrics we are using | 09:15 |
| jed56 | IMHO, we should choose a workload that highlight the use case | 09:15 |
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| dtardivel | This talk is directly linked to what we should be able to run on OSIC platform in September | 09:16 |
| jed56 | dtardivel: +1 | 09:16 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 09:16 |
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| dtardivel | sballe_: gzhai2 Do you have news about Intel internal cluster we should be able to use as well ? | 09:16 |
| sballe_ | No | 09:17 |
| sballe_ | But gzhai2 is leading that effort | 09:17 |
| gzhai2 | dtardivel: have reserved. should be available | 09:17 |
| dtardivel | ok, great | 09:17 |
| gzhai2 | I think other users have known it's for watcher in Sep | 09:18 |
| dtardivel | Agenda for the mid-cycle is opened #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-watcher-midcycle | 09:18 |
| dtardivel | You can update it if needed. | 09:19 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: Do you have any update about the mid-cycle meeting to share with us ? | 09:19 |
| gzhai2 | nova also has mid cycle. need discussion with them? | 09:19 |
| sballe_ | We will have a good attendance | 09:19 |
| dtardivel | #info Intel internal cluster should be available for Watcher in September | 09:20 |
| sballe_ | And gzhai2 will be there | 09:20 |
| gzhai2 | yes. just get the budget | 09:20 |
| dtardivel | gzhai2: +1 | 09:21 |
| brunograz | dtardivel: sballe_: where the mid cycle meeting is taking place, is it defined? | 09:21 |
| sballe_ | Yes I Hillsboro or | 09:21 |
| brunograz | we didn't attend the previous meeting so we missed that info | 09:21 |
| jed56 | I just want to let you know that I'm working on the nova-policies spec | 09:22 |
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| sballe_ | What do we want to do with the nova team | 09:22 |
| jed56 | sballe_: do you have the chance to read https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329873 ? | 09:22 |
| sballe_ | brunograz: I sent out an email to the mailing list | 09:22 |
| sballe_ | Will do latter | 09:23 |
| jed56 | I'm going to amend this specification by the end of the week | 09:23 |
| sballe_ | jed56: ^^ | 09:23 |
| sballe_ | ok | 09:23 |
| brunograz | sballe_: I'm afraid I'm subscribed :O | 09:23 |
| brunograz | I'm not * | 09:23 |
| jed56 | I have took at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183837/4 more in detail | 09:23 |
| sballe_ | brunograz: 😄 | 09:23 |
| jed56 | took/look | 09:24 |
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| dtardivel | about nova-policies spec, we can see that we will have strong debate about what we want from nova project. We should think about the good way to address our requirements to nova team (this is conservative guys :) ... | 09:26 |
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| tkaczynski | brunograz: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/watcher-newton-mid-cycle-developer-meetup-tickets-25267323244 | 09:26 |
| gzhai2 | dtardivel:+1 | 09:26 |
| brunograz | tkaczynski: +1 | 09:26 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 09:26 |
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| gzhai2 | dtardivel: good if have other project ask same thing | 09:27 |
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| dtardivel | ... and imagine several scenarios to implement a good dynamic replacement | 09:27 |
| sballe_ | Can we also talk about integration with congress at the meetup? | 09:27 |
| sballe_ | I am on my phone so cannot edit the etherpad | 09:28 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: yes if you want. | 09:29 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: please update the pad when you will be at office :) | 09:29 |
| sballe_ | I think it is important | 09:29 |
| dtardivel | ok, any other announcements ? | 09:29 |
| dtardivel | #topic Review Action Items | 09:30 |
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| dtardivel | Spec "Audit parameters should be persistent in Db" (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317130/ ) has been merged. Thx to reviewers | 09:30 |
| tkaczynski | a friendly reminder about scoring-module reviews :) | 09:31 |
| jed56 | sballe_:about congress this is an alternative in my specificaiton | 09:31 |
| dtardivel | I think Michael Gugino from Walmart started the implementation | 09:31 |
| sballe_ | Ok | 09:32 |
| dtardivel | jed56 amended the specification for BP 'continuously-optimization' (#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/continuously-optimization) | 09:32 |
| dtardivel | new spec "Update the continuously optimization" (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330021/). | 09:32 |
| dtardivel | This spec needs a final review by core team | 09:32 |
| alexchadin | I'm reviewing this | 09:33 |
| sballe_ | I will review today | 09:33 |
| dtardivel | #action alexchadin sballe_ acabot review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330021/ | 09:33 |
| dtardivel | spec 'Cluster model objects wrapper' (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/) | 09:33 |
| dtardivel | status: on progress | 09:34 |
| vincentfrancoise | on this one, I'm currently doing some sequence diagrams | 09:34 |
| vincentfrancoise | so I guess I'll be done by EOD | 09:35 |
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| dtardivel | vincentfrancoise: ok, thx. so we need core reviewer on this one as well ... | 09:35 |
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| dtardivel | #action acabot review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ :) | 09:36 |
| dtardivel | jed56 proposed a new spec "Watcher should respect the Nova policies" (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329873/) | 09:37 |
| dtardivel | the one discussed above | 09:37 |
| dtardivel | this spec needs a review by core team as well | 09:37 |
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| dtardivel | spec "Graph model describing virtual and physical elements in a data center" (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298891/) | 09:38 |
| dtardivel | what is the status about this spec ? | 09:38 |
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| sballe_ | He will be at the mid cycle | 09:38 |
| jed56 | IMHO, this spec seem okay | 09:38 |
| sballe_ | I believe they are making progress | 09:38 |
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| dtardivel | ok | 09:40 |
| dtardivel | Review on Watcher [ cli | dashboard ] projects | 09:40 |
| dtardivel | PS "Enable strategy parameters" (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297556/, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297557) | 09:40 |
| dtardivel | state : on progress | 09:41 |
| dtardivel | I think gzhai2 waits for new from vincentfrancoise | 09:41 |
| gzhai2 | dtardivel: will be ok tomorrow | 09:41 |
| dtardivel | gzhai2: +1 | 09:41 |
| gzhai2 | vincentfrancoise: you can review it for your comments | 09:41 |
| vincentfrancoise | oh ok | 09:42 |
| gzhai2 | thank you | 09:42 |
| dtardivel | #action vincentfrancoise review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297556/ | 09:42 |
| vincentfrancoise | I'll try to do it by EOW | 09:42 |
| dtardivel | #action vincentfrancoise review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297557 | 09:42 |
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| dtardivel | PS "Select destinations filter implementation" (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305596/") | 09:43 |
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| dtardivel | state : merge conflict | 09:43 |
| dtardivel | jinquan: could you push an update to resolve mere conflict please ? | 09:43 |
| jinquan | yeah, the work stop, i'm wait for jed56's new spec | 09:43 |
| jed56 | jinquan: yes, we decided with acabot | 09:44 |
| jinquan | i will assign a new BP | 09:44 |
| jed56 | to wait that we have a better vision for this problem | 09:44 |
| dtardivel | jinquan: So, could you set this PS to workflow - 1 | Work In Progress state ? | 09:45 |
| jed56 | IMHO, I wrote in my spec that select_destinations is not the good approach | 09:45 |
| jinquan | dtardivel:ok | 09:45 |
| jed56 | this is the reason why the blueprint "Select destinations filter implementation" need to wait | 09:45 |
| sballe_ | jed56: so what are you proposing | 09:45 |
| jed56 | sballe_: you should read my spec :) | 09:46 |
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| sballe_ | Ok will do | 09:46 |
| jinquan | dtardivel: did it already | 09:46 |
| jed56 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329873/ | 09:46 |
| dtardivel | A new PS 'Add continuously optimization' has been pushed by alexchadin (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321411/). | 09:46 |
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| dtardivel | Is it compliant with update proposed by jed56 ? | 09:46 |
| alexchadin | In some parts | 09:47 |
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| jed56 | yes this is on the way ) | 09:47 |
| alexchadin | We have decided to implement it in some steps | 09:47 |
| dtardivel | alexchadin: ok | 09:47 |
| dtardivel | who would like to review it ? | 09:47 |
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| gzhai2 | i can | 09:48 |
| jinquan | me too | 09:48 |
| jed56 | i will | 09:48 |
| vincentfrancoise | Yeah I'll make a run through it by EOW as well | 09:48 |
| alexchadin | I will appreciate this! | 09:48 |
| dtardivel | #action gzhai2 jinquan jed56 vincentfrancoise review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321411/ | 09:48 |
| dtardivel | kaczynski proposed 2 new PS: | 09:49 |
| dtardivel | PS "Add scoring engines to database and API layers" (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330382/) | 09:49 |
| dtardivel | PS "Add scoring engine commands" (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330385/) | 09:49 |
| dtardivel | who would like to review them ? | 09:49 |
| hanrong1 | i can | 09:49 |
| dtardivel | #action hanrong1 review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321411/ and #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330385/ | 09:50 |
| dtardivel | vincentfrancoise proposed a wishlist PS: | 09:50 |
| dtardivel | PS "Added filter operators" (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325794/) | 09:50 |
| dtardivel | who would like to review them ? | 09:51 |
| dtardivel | me I can :) | 09:51 |
| dtardivel | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325794/ | 09:51 |
| dtardivel | PS "Add importing modules instead of classes" (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332241/) waits for core reviewer | 09:51 |
| vincentfrancoise | I'll take that one | 09:52 |
| dtardivel | #action vincentfrancoise reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332241/ | 09:53 |
| dtardivel | Any request on reviews ? | 09:53 |
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| dtardivel | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 09:54 |
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| dtardivel | BP "Define policies for accessing Watcher components" (#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-policies). Can we have a status please ? | 09:54 |
| alexstav | vincentfrancoise: thanks! | 09:54 |
| hanrong1 | Because this BP has no spec file, I don't know what policy rules will be needed | 09:54 |
| hanrong1 | in watcher project. | 09:54 |
| dtardivel | hanrong1: can we discuss together tomorrow on openstack-watcher ? | 09:55 |
| hanrong1 | ok | 09:55 |
| dtardivel | hanrong1: we did not write spec because it's simple to implement (I think) :) | 09:56 |
| hanrong1 | Are these actions can be performed by only admin in watcher project? | 09:56 |
| dtardivel | There are some 'low-hanging-fruit' bugs (#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bugs?field.tag=low-hanging-fruit) | 09:56 |
| dtardivel | you're welcome to fix one(s). | 09:56 |
| vincentfrancoise | hanrong1: I'd say yes | 09:56 |
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| hanrong1 | vincentfrancoise: Thank you very much | 09:57 |
| dtardivel | hanrong1: We have to define, in policies, who can play with watcher CRUD ? So we have to define default roles and match them to CRUD methods | 09:57 |
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| dtardivel | Sorry we have just 2 minutes for open discussion | 09:58 |
| hanrong1 | dtardivel: ok, discuss together tomorrow . | 09:59 |
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| dtardivel | OK, we will take more time next week for open discusssions | 09:59 |
| dtardivel | ok thanks a lot for you attention ladies and gentlemen. | 10:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 10:00 |
| brunograz | bye | 10:00 |
| gzhai2 | bye | 10:00 |
| dtardivel | And long live to Watcher | 10:00 |
| alexchadin | bye | 10:00 |
| brunograz | +1 | 10:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | :) | 10:00 |
| brunograz | :D | 10:00 |
| tkaczynski | bye | 10:01 |
| dtardivel | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 10:01:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-06-22-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-06-22-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-06-22-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 22 13:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 13:00 |
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| * bauzas lurks a bit | 13:00 | |
| alex_xu | wait one minutes for people join in | 13:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 13:01 |
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| jichen | o/ | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | emm...i saw sdague around half a hour ago | 13:02 |
| edleafe | \o | 13:02 |
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| sdague | o/ | 13:02 |
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| sdague | sorry, just getting more coffee | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | sdague: no worries | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | let's start the meeting | 13:02 |
| * edleafe is getting more coffee too | 13:02 | |
| alex_xu | #topic actions from previous meeting | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from previous meeting (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:02 | |
| alex_xu | alex_xu to update policy docs to remove user_id references to server actions | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | there is one merged | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325648/ | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | also have one for oslo.policy | 13:03 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/325645 | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | and one more for a note in nova devref | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/332643 | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | that is all patches for remove user_id reference | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | s/is/are/ | 13:04 |
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| alex_xu | just need review i guess | 13:04 |
| sdague | great, thanks | 13:05 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332643/ | 13:05 |
| mriedem | it says in the future user_id auth won't be supported | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | sdague: np | 13:05 |
| mriedem | isn't that future as of like 2 weeks ago? | 13:05 |
| mriedem | when legacy_v2 was dropped | 13:05 |
| sdague | mriedem: well, except we have a spec to add some back | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: there is spec write by sdague | 13:05 |
| mriedem | so it's confusing | 13:05 |
| mriedem | it says in the future we're going to drop *all* support | 13:05 |
| mriedem | but we have a spec to add some back in | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/324068 | 13:05 |
| bauzas | supporting user_id was a fluke, right? | 13:06 |
| sdague | mriedem: in the future we are going to drop all | 13:06 |
| bauzas | which means that's just an additive spec :) | 13:06 |
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| bauzas | no regression, just something people figured out it was supported | 13:06 |
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| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324068/2/specs/newton/approved/user_id_based_policy_enforcement.rst@83 | 13:06 |
| bauzas | while it wasn't :) | 13:06 |
| alex_xu | i should ad more word to say there are few support for backward compatiable | 13:06 |
| sdague | Honestly, I think alex_xu's wording is fine | 13:07 |
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| mriedem | ok +W | 13:07 |
| mriedem | i hadn't seen https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324068/2/specs/newton/approved/user_id_based_policy_enforcement.rst@83 | 13:07 |
| alex_xu | thanks | 13:07 |
| sdague | there is just a bridge window here where it's not completely accurate | 13:07 |
| sdague | when are docs ever completely accurate :) | 13:07 |
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| alex_xu | so, we are cool, let's move on | 13:08 |
| sdague | yeh, lets move on | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | mriedem to follow up with claudio on splitting up policy patch for easier review | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | i saw the patch splitted | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/policy-in-code | 13:09 |
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| alex_xu | and the base patch already merged | 13:09 |
| sdague | cool, I'll start looking at those today | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | cool | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | gmann to document that os-assisted-volume-snapshots is only implemented by the libvirt compute driver | 13:10 |
| sdague | I saw that patch and +2ed it | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | gmann: i remember i saw this patch, do you have link? | 13:10 |
| gmann | yea i rebased that one | 13:10 |
| alex_xu | ah, cool | 13:10 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326975/ | 13:10 |
| gmann | sdague: need +2 again :) | 13:10 |
| sdague | oh, merge conflict | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | mriedem to start openstack-dev thread on os-assisted-volume-snapshots | 13:11 |
| gmann | yea | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | related one | 13:11 |
| mriedem | that's done, basically none of the cinder 3rd party ci that uses that API is working | 13:11 |
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| mriedem | and there doesn't appear to be any urgeny around that | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: cool, thanks | 13:12 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_ to write microversion change for 404 on API proxies | 13:12 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 13:12 |
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| alex_xu | gmann: sorry...i just saw this action... i should check with before i start the patch | 13:12 |
| gmann | alex_xu: Thanks for patch, i was not getting time this week | 13:13 |
| gmann | alex_xu: np. | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | gmann: cool :) | 13:13 |
| gmann | alex_xu: your patch looks good to me otherwise i checked the code | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/332631 | 13:13 |
| gmann | and if we want to return 404 early at wsgi we need hack to fetch url and version from request and return 404 | 13:13 |
| alex_xu | this is going to return 404 for image api | 13:14 |
| sdague | right, gmann had a doc patch on the deprecation, did that merge yet? | 13:14 |
| mriedem | so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332631/ seems weird without a microversion bump | 13:14 |
| gmann | sdague: yea that is merged | 13:14 |
| gmann | #linl https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329357/ | 13:14 |
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| alex_xu | there should be a bunch of patch for other api later, and the last patch will be https://review.openstack.org/332632 | 13:14 |
| jichen | should we bump them in one patch? | 13:14 |
| sdague | mriedem: it's in the follow up patch | 13:15 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: but if we land those early 404 changes, like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332631/ | 13:15 |
| mriedem | and then some other things land in between that and the last, | 13:15 |
| mriedem | then the early one is wrong isn't it? | 13:15 |
| sdague | yeh | 13:15 |
| mriedem | there are several changes up for 2.31 right now | 13:15 |
| mriedem | i have one of them | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: yea, we should merge those patch togetther | 13:15 |
| gmann | yea hypervisor one is another | 13:15 |
| sdague | so, actually, given the simplicity of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332631/1/nova/api/openstack/compute/images.py | 13:15 |
| sdague | I kind of wonder if we should do all the proxies in one go | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | we can have quck for next two days, get all the thing ready, and merge them. | 13:16 |
| sdague | alex_xu: can you stage up the rest of the patches and see how complicated they are? | 13:16 |
| gmann | yea will be easy to merge | 13:16 |
| sdague | and then we can figure out how we want to group them | 13:16 |
| sdague | I think this is a good instance of -2 the bottom of the stack, build all the patches, and then figure out the landing order | 13:17 |
| sdague | so we know if this is 1 or more microversions | 13:17 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, no problem | 13:17 |
| gmann | sdague: +1, same thought | 13:17 |
| mriedem | -2 applied | 13:18 |
| sdague | mriedem: cool | 13:18 |
| alex_xu | cool, just two -w | 13:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: would be nice to get that in one microversion if we can, top idea | 13:18 |
| alex_xu | i will work on other patch tomorrow | 13:18 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, one microversion | 13:19 |
| alex_xu | so we are cool, let's move on? | 13:20 |
| sdague | yeh, for everything besides networking, I think it's doable | 13:20 |
| sdague | networking, I'm not sure | 13:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, true... that one could be tricker | 13:20 |
| sdague | alex_xu: yeh, lets move on | 13:20 |
| alex_xu | emm...i need check networking tomorrow, maybe i miss something | 13:21 |
| gmann | sdague: may bwe we need another decorator for thsoe with neutron enabled etc | 13:21 |
| alex_xu | #topic API Priorities | 13:21 |
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| sdague | current burndown - http://burndown.dague.org/ | 13:21 |
| alex_xu | sdague: anything for api-ref? | 13:21 |
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| sdague | slow progress, we still knock out a few every week | 13:22 |
| mriedem | is there any specific reason why no one has taken method verification for servers-multiple-create.inc ? | 13:22 |
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| jichen | mriedem: guess just no one selected | 13:22 |
| sdague | mriedem: because it's a little complicated | 13:22 |
| gmann | sdague: yea, i will give some time on this on friday and let's see how many i can do | 13:22 |
| mriedem | so, | 13:23 |
| mriedem | maybe after 6/30 we plan another sprint | 13:23 |
| mriedem | the week of 7/4 isn't good | 13:23 |
| sdague | honestly, the next month is pretty dicey for me | 13:23 |
| mriedem | but maybe something the week of 7/11 | 13:23 |
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| sdague | TC thing in anarbor next week, then I'm off for 2 weeks, then nova midcycle | 13:24 |
| sdague | so my intent was more like early august push | 13:24 |
| mriedem | trust falls in MI | 13:24 |
| sdague | and bacon | 13:24 |
| mriedem | august could work looking at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule | 13:25 |
| mriedem | 9/2 is n-3 | 13:25 |
| mriedem | and FF | 13:25 |
| mriedem | so yeah early august | 13:25 |
| sdague | I'll start organizing once I get back off vacation | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems a good time for doc push to become normal | 13:25 |
| alex_xu | cool | 13:25 |
| sdague | ok, next? | 13:26 |
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| sdague | we already hit up policy in code, there is a patch stack there | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | deprecated extension? | 13:26 |
| alex_xu | yea, most of things already touch | 13:26 |
| sdague | on the deprecate extensions front... | 13:27 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:fold_disk_config | 13:27 |
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| sdague | that gets rid of the disk config and access ips extensions | 13:27 |
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| mriedem | i'll hit the bottom 2 after the meeting | 13:27 |
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| mriedem | since you updated them | 13:27 |
| sdague | mriedem: yeh, I think I got all your objections | 13:27 |
| mriedem | glaring omissions? you mean | 13:28 |
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| alex_xu | so encourge people to help on fold other extesnsion | 13:28 |
| sdague | I also have been deleting chunks of unused code in the process (starting to do as independent stacks so they don't get caught - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332436/ ) | 13:28 |
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| sdague | deleting the generator extension stuff was nice | 13:29 |
| sdague | those were just madness | 13:29 |
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| alex_xu | yeah | 13:29 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: my hope was to get through the update / resize / rebuild extensions and remove those to ensure we have a pattern that works | 13:29 |
| sdague | then have people go after them | 13:30 |
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| sdague | the focus is really anything that modifies servers object either in or out | 13:30 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ok, cool | 13:30 |
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| mriedem | am i dreaming this or was there a spec for removing weirdo api extensions yet like os-cloudpipe and agent-build? | 13:31 |
| mriedem | or was that another todo? | 13:31 |
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| sdague | mriedem: it's on my todo list | 13:31 |
| mriedem | so, | 13:31 |
| mriedem | i feel like we're getting late in the cycle to be adding more api specs | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | it should be another spec i guess | 13:31 |
| mriedem | given everything that's already loaded up | 13:31 |
| sdague | mriedem: yeh, that is probably quite true | 13:31 |
| mriedem | our priorities for api were (1) policy in code and (2) docs | 13:32 |
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| mriedem | and we have a lot more going on than that, so i don't think we can probably do the freak extension deprecation in newton at this point | 13:32 |
| sdague | mriedem: I'm fine with that | 13:32 |
| mriedem | which, meh, deprecating the proxies is more important | 13:32 |
| sdague | we can do that in ocata | 13:32 |
| mriedem | yup | 13:32 |
| mriedem | ok | 13:32 |
| alex_xu | yea, i'm cool also | 13:32 |
| sdague | right, I think the proxies are more important | 13:32 |
| gmann | +1 | 13:32 |
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| sdague | I also think that given the defcore kiveching around vendor extensions, getting rid of server extensions is important | 13:33 |
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| mriedem | yeah...that... | 13:33 |
| mriedem | sdague: have you pointed that out in chris hoge's thread already? | 13:33 |
| sdague | because it looks like no matter how many times we say "don't do this" | 13:33 |
| mriedem | i feel like someone did | 13:34 |
| sdague | people don't seem to get it - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2016-June/001124.html | 13:34 |
| mriedem | but i can't read that thread anymore, it's never ending | 13:34 |
| gmann | :) | 13:34 |
| sdague | I have pointed out that it is going away, so has hodgepodge | 13:34 |
| mriedem | because i think ^ is mostly around juno->kilo | 13:34 |
| mriedem | once these clouds get to newton and their extension facility is gone, | 13:34 |
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| sdague | right | 13:34 |
| alex_xu | i think we jump to open directly | 13:34 |
| mriedem | they'll be freaking out again | 13:34 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 13:34 |
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| mriedem | but i don't feel badly about that either | 13:35 |
| mriedem | these are the same groups wanting to maintain stable/juno forever | 13:35 |
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| mriedem | now i know why | 13:35 |
| mriedem | i don't have anything else | 13:36 |
| sdague | I have a change to erroring in api samples - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332261/ | 13:36 |
| sdague | because as we fold in the extensions, it's good to have better errors to figure out what you did wrong | 13:37 |
| alex_xu | yea, i didn't reach that yet | 13:37 |
| sdague | oh, I had one other question on server views | 13:37 |
| sdague | why do we have the v21 subclass | 13:37 |
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| mriedem | sdague: probably no longer needed after dropping v2 | 13:38 |
| sdague | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/656a3f4a174ad877151bca0612a8fa094793f34e/nova/api/openstack/compute/views/servers.py#L285 | 13:38 |
| sdague | it looks like it might be because of how ext attributes on addresses expose | 13:38 |
| sdague | but curious if anyone else remembered more clearly | 13:38 |
| alex_xu | emm...i didn't remember why | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | was that left over from v3 maybe? | 13:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | unsure | 13:39 |
| mriedem | i figured it was just separate since it handles microversions | 13:39 |
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| alex_xu | it should check the patch when we convert v3 to v2.1, then we will know why this subclass is keepting | 13:40 |
| mriedem | addresses view is different https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/656a3f4a174ad877151bca0612a8fa094793f34e/nova/api/openstack/compute/views/addresses.py#L48 | 13:40 |
| gmann | i think it was before microversion changes in that | 13:40 |
| mriedem | if anything ever passes extend_address=True | 13:41 |
| mriedem | which v2.1 does here https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/656a3f4a174ad877151bca0612a8fa094793f34e/nova/api/openstack/compute/views/servers.py#L285 | 13:41 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/e74b62f26fb949149eadcf8ab76c1d01d3e16748 | 13:41 |
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| mriedem | looks like that's not used | 13:42 |
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| mriedem | shall we end the meeting and hash on this in the nova channel? | 13:43 |
| gmann | that was in since v3 | 13:43 |
| alex_xu | yea | 13:44 |
| alex_xu | if no more thing to bring up, let us back to nova channel | 13:44 |
| alex_xu | 3... | 13:44 |
| alex_xu | 2.. | 13:44 |
| alex_xu | 1. | 13:45 |
| alex_xu | ok, thanks all | 13:45 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 13:45:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-06-22-13.00.html | 13:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-06-22-13.00.txt | 13:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-06-22-13.00.log.html | 13:45 |
| gmann | Thanks all | 13:45 |
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| jichen | thanks | 13:45 |
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| therve | #startmeeting heat | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 22 15:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is therve. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 15:00 |
| therve | #topic Roll call | 15:00 |
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| jdob | o/ | 15:00 |
| Drago | o/ | 15:00 |
| cwolferh | o/ | 15:01 |
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| shardy | o/ | 15:02 |
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| therve | #topic Adding items to agenda | 15:03 |
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| therve | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-06-22_1500_UTC.29 | 15:03 |
| ramishra | hi | 15:03 |
| therve | #topic DB errors blocking gate | 15:04 |
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| therve | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1546431 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546431 in heat "Tests fails with SQL error 'Command Out of Sync'" [High,Triaged] | 15:04 |
| therve | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1483670 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1483670 in heat "ResourceClosedError from DB in functional tests" [High,Triaged] | 15:04 |
| therve | zaneb, You added this one no? | 15:04 |
| zaneb | I think so, yes | 15:05 |
| zaneb | we are hitting this *all* the time | 15:05 |
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| therve | Yeah the rate has been pretty bad recently | 15:05 |
| therve | Presumably the 2 new builders don't improve things | 15:06 |
| zaneb | yes, that's not helping | 15:06 |
| zaneb | but we need to fix it | 15:06 |
| therve | I looked at this issue, AFAICT it's that we behave badly when we kill greenlets | 15:06 |
| zaneb | cwolferh: about? | 15:06 |
| cwolferh | yes | 15:06 |
| therve | The oslodb work that stevebaker is working on may improve things | 15:06 |
| therve | But that's as much as I know | 15:07 |
| zaneb | what we do to kill greenlets is kinda uncool, but we should be able to do it without breaking the db | 15:07 |
| zaneb | my theory is that every transaction should be using a with ...: block | 15:08 |
| zaneb | so that if *any* exception occurs then it gets rolled back | 15:08 |
| therve | zaneb, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330800/ ought to do that | 15:08 |
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| zaneb | but that there must be places where we are not, and so we switch threads in the middle of a transaction | 15:08 |
| therve | Using a decorator, but that's the same solution | 15:08 |
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| zaneb | that's good enough for me :) | 15:09 |
| zaneb | do we think that merging that will fix the problem then? | 15:10 |
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| therve | I hope so, but not sure | 15:10 |
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| cwolferh | that looks like a good next thing to try to me :-) | 15:10 |
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| therve | FWIW https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1499669 has a good reproducer for this kind of issues | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499669 in heat "Heat stucks in DELETE_IN_PROGRESS for some input data" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:10 |
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| zaneb | ok, then I'm a happy camper :) | 15:11 |
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| therve | zaneb, You mean reviewer? :) | 15:11 |
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| therve | There is a 10+ patches series, so we need to get onto that | 15:11 |
| zaneb | therve: oh *that's* the bug I was looking for the other day | 15:11 |
| zaneb | I knew I commented on it :D | 15:11 |
| therve | If you need to search launchpad talk to me first :) | 15:12 |
| zaneb | any reason we can't accelerate it to the top of the patch queue? I guess that's a question for stevebaker | 15:12 |
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| zaneb | therve: aha, you have a secret weapon | 15:12 |
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| jdob | he just blasted out a bunch of patches yesterday, they should be at the top | 15:13 |
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| shardy | Another stuck DELETE_IN_PROGRESS reproducer specific to convergence is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329460/ | 15:13 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1592374 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1592374 in heat "deleting in_progress stack with nested stacks fails with convergence enabled" [High,Confirmed] | 15:13 |
| shardy | If anyone has time to look into that it'd be good - the functional test appears to reproduce the issue | 15:14 |
| zaneb | jdob: I can never remember what order the 'related changes' are in the new gerrit | 15:14 |
| jdob | dude, glad i'm not alone there | 15:14 |
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| zaneb | BRING BACK THE OLD GERRIT! | 15:14 |
| zaneb | ahem, sorry. | 15:14 |
| jdob | :) | 15:14 |
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| therve | It's definitely at the bottom of the queue for a reason | 15:15 |
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| therve | Needs some API change to make it work correctly | 15:15 |
| zaneb | dang | 15:15 |
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| therve | shardy, Yeah the convergence part is definitely something different than we we're talking about | 15:16 |
| therve | shardy, Wondering if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279520/ is related | 15:16 |
| ramishra | Is the ResourceClosedError 100% reproducible with steps in bug #1499669? | 15:16 |
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| openstack | bug 1499669 in heat "Heat stucks in DELETE_IN_PROGRESS for some input data" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499669 | 15:16 |
| shardy | therve: ack, I just wanted to mention it because I've not got time to work on fixing it myself this week | 15:16 |
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| therve | ramishra, I had to increase the resource count for my env, but yeah after that | 15:16 |
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| jdob | shardy: speaking of no time, I put my name on the env changes spec and started on it | 15:17 |
| therve | We could probably turn that into a (skipped) test | 15:17 |
| shardy | jdob: yup I saw that, thanks! :) | 15:17 |
| ramishra | shardy: I had a look at it today, seems like there is no way to cancel a CREATE_IN_PROGRESS to acquire/steal the resource lock to DELETE. | 15:17 |
| shardy | ramishra: Ok, thanks for the analysis - that sounds, erm, not good ;) | 15:18 |
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| therve | ramishra, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301483/ isn't this patch queue about that? | 15:18 |
| zaneb | ramishra: it should time out eventually though, right? | 15:18 |
| * shardy wonders how many times we'll fix cancelling in-progress things | 15:18 | |
| zaneb | and then the delete will run? | 15:18 |
| ramishra | zaneb: yes | 15:18 |
| zaneb | shardy: fixing it again right now :) | 15:18 |
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| zaneb | and by 'again' I mean' for the first time', since it hasn't working since Kilo | 15:19 |
| shardy | zaneb: On my tripleo test env it times out after 4 hours ;) | 15:19 |
| * jdob working on a new cancel bug in reaction to zaneb's fix | 15:19 | |
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| therve | I think merge rate has been slightly better this week than last | 15:20 |
| therve | We probably depend on the state of the hardware a bit somehow | 15:20 |
| jdob | a shit ton of my stuff landed last night, i was super happy coming into work this morning | 15:20 |
| therve | Still, let's try to focus on that, and avoid blank rechecks :) | 15:20 |
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| zaneb | #action stevebaker merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330800/ asap | 15:20 |
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| therve | Anything else on that topic? | 15:21 |
| zaneb | nope, let's move on | 15:21 |
| therve | #topic Restoring bp ironic resources implementation | 15:21 |
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| zaneb | cat ----> pigeons | 15:22 |
| therve | OK. I have nothing against that, let's do it. | 15:22 |
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| therve | Unless ironic people really yell at us again | 15:22 |
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| shardy | +1 on this, although I'm not planning on reviving the patches I started myself | 15:22 |
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| shardy | A possible alternative tho is a mistral workflow | 15:23 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313048/ | 15:23 |
| shardy | I started that, although not yet got it working | 15:23 |
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| shardy | if we can make that work, there's no need for a bespoke heat plugin | 15:24 |
| zaneb | I question the sanity of anyone using this, but I (still) see no harm, especially now that we can block admin-only resource types from general view | 15:24 |
| therve | prazumovsky added that but isn't around | 15:24 |
| zaneb | er s/anyone/anything/ | 15:24 |
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| therve | #action prazumovsky restore Ironic resources | 15:25 |
| shardy | zaneb: I think just a plugin representing the Ironic node isn't enough - there's a workflow around networking we need so that it emulates what Nova does | 15:25 |
| shardy | that could be in a heat plugin, but it's kinda workflow-ish | 15:25 |
| therve | shardy, Shouldn't you use nova in that case? | 15:25 |
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| shardy | therve: Nova is huge overkill when you don't care about multiple tenants, flavors or scheduling | 15:26 |
| zaneb | shardy: yeah, that's one reason that I question why anything would want to use this | 15:26 |
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| therve | #topic Legacy to convergence migration | 15:27 |
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| therve | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232277/ | 15:27 |
| therve | ochuprykov, You added this one? | 15:27 |
| ochuprykov | yep | 15:27 |
| ochuprykov | i think it can be useful now | 15:28 |
| ochuprykov | after we switch to convergence | 15:28 |
| therve | So that's a new heat-manage command | 15:28 |
| ochuprykov | yes | 15:28 |
| ochuprykov | implementation here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280836/ | 15:28 |
| ochuprykov | but i've faced with one problem | 15:29 |
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| ochuprykov | in order to do this migration online ( and it was intended to be online) i need to lock stacks i wont to migrate | 15:29 |
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| ochuprykov | but such lock can be successfully stealed by working engine | 15:30 |
| therve | Yep | 15:30 |
| therve | That's a tough one | 15:30 |
| zaneb | oh, because its done by the heat-manage command and not an engine :/ | 15:30 |
| ochuprykov | i know this) | 15:31 |
| therve | zaneb, Why does it make a difference? | 15:31 |
| therve | I can steal from another engine, no? | 15:31 |
| zaneb | therve: the engine id is stored in the lock | 15:31 |
| ochuprykov | no, if this engine is live | 15:31 |
| ochuprykov | alive* | 15:31 |
| zaneb | so if the engine holding the lock is running, nothing will steal it | 15:31 |
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| therve | Ah | 15:31 |
| therve | ochuprykov, Use the RPC API then | 15:32 |
| zaneb | what ochuprykov said | 15:32 |
| ochuprykov | but probably we can choose option 2 from alternatives section | 15:32 |
| ochuprykov | We could automatically convert stacks on the next stack-update. | 15:33 |
| ochuprykov | which is better? | 15:33 |
| zaneb | ochuprykov: then we can never deprecate the legacy path | 15:33 |
| zaneb | +1 for using the RPC API | 15:33 |
| ochuprykov | ok, i will try this variant | 15:34 |
| ochuprykov | so, i think i don't need to change a spec | 15:34 |
| therve | zaneb, Operators could trigger a stack update? | 15:34 |
| therve | You need to be in the tenant though... | 15:34 |
| zaneb | therve: mmmmmhmmm I guess | 15:34 |
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| zaneb | still +1 on the RPC :D | 15:35 |
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| therve | Yeah I would try that :) | 15:35 |
| therve | ochuprykov, Makes sense? | 15:35 |
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| ochuprykov | therve: yep, i will try to do it via rpc | 15:35 |
| zaneb | ochuprykov: I +2'd your spec though! | 15:35 |
| therve | Cool | 15:36 |
| zaneb | so there's that | 15:36 |
| therve | #topic Open discussion | 15:36 |
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| therve | prazumovsky, http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-06-22-15.00.log.txt we talked about the ironic resources | 15:36 |
| shardy | I'd appreciate wider feedback re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327149/ | 15:36 |
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| prazumovsky | hi, sorry for the late, I read the logs and now I understand that before discussing ironic resources I needed in some deeper problem description understanding. | 15:36 |
| jdob | two specs I'd appreciate eyes on: https://review.openstack.org/328822 and https://review.openstack.org/330414 | 15:37 |
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| shardy | basically -f yaml in oscplugin doesn't output yaml - jdob provided feedback, I'd like to get some consensus | 15:37 |
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| therve | shardy, I think I'm with you on that one | 15:38 |
| jdob | shardy: i'll look again, I kinda forget what I was arguing | 15:39 |
| therve | No point if -f yaml doesn't return yaml | 15:39 |
| zaneb | agree | 15:39 |
| therve | prazumovsky, Cool let us know. Ironic is tricky :) | 15:39 |
| prazumovsky | Some confusion why implementing resource plugins are not enough, but keep investigating in the issue. | 15:41 |
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| therve | OK, anything else? | 15:43 |
| therve | 3 | 15:43 |
| therve | 2 | 15:44 |
| therve | 1 | 15:44 |
| therve | #endmeeting heat | 15:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 15:44:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-06-22-15.00.html | 15:44 |
| therve | Thanks all! | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-06-22-15.00.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-06-22-15.00.log.html | 15:44 |
| therve | Now go review stuff | 15:44 |
| prazumovsky | bye bye! | 15:44 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 22 15:59:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:59 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 15:59 |
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| rhallisey | hello | 16:00 |
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| wirehead_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| sdake | \o/ containers FTW | 16:00 |
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| wirehead_ | I can hardly contain my excitement. | 16:00 |
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| sdake | me either wirehead_ | 16:00 |
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| vhosakot | o/ | 16:00 |
| inc0 | o/ | 16:00 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 16:00 |
| britthouser | 0/ | 16:00 |
| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:01 | |
| sdake | midcycle july 12,13th in Ansible HQ | 16:01 |
| sdake | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla | 16:01 |
| sdake | I am going to put up an eventbrite page for folks to register | 16:01 |
| sdake | please register if you intend to come | 16:01 |
| sdake | if you intend to come i'd dbook travel now | 16:01 |
| sdake | within 14 days most companies wont approve travel | 16:01 |
| wirehead_ | yah | 16:02 |
| vhosakot | sorry, I'll have to miss the mid-cycle meet :( traveling on work... I'll attend remote thru webex and participate in etherpad | 16:02 |
| sdake | #topic refactor build.py | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "refactor build.py (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:02 | |
| inc0 | ok | 16:02 |
| inc0 | I guess that's me | 16:02 |
| inc0 | so guys, build.py is a mess | 16:02 |
| sdake | before that, the link for the midcycle is here: | 16:03 |
| sdake | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/KollaNewtonSprint | 16:03 |
| sdake | sorry about that | 16:03 |
| inc0 | we all know it, we kinda want to ingnore it but that won't make problem go away | 16:03 |
| akwasnie | o/ | 16:03 |
| inc0 | I was meant to say "show of hands who will help with that" but since akwasnie already volounteered... | 16:04 |
| inc0 | :P | 16:04 |
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| sdake | ;-) | 16:04 |
| sdake | ya agree build.py is a charlie foxtrot | 16:04 |
| sdake | i think we dont know what to do with it inc0 | 16:04 |
| akwasnie | ;) | 16:04 |
| sdake | perhps the way to get started is to brainstorm a list of things we want to fix | 16:05 |
| inc0 | well there are few things | 16:05 |
| inc0 | one would be separation of jinja2 generation and dockerfile builds | 16:05 |
| inc0 | decouple whole giant script into importable submodules | 16:05 |
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| sdake | i'd like the build.py to be usable as a python library as well ;) | 16:06 |
| inc0 | I'm still kinda reluctant to copy whole thing to tmp but since we don't have better idea...we might think about it | 16:06 |
| inc0 | yeah, that's part of it | 16:06 |
| inc0 | technically it already is | 16:06 |
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| sdake | right | 16:06 |
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| inc0 | I already moved it out of command | 16:06 |
| sdake | well first step is to get a blueprint up | 16:06 |
| sdake | second step is to write down list of work items | 16:07 |
| inc0 | however we still need to go forwards | 16:07 |
| inc0 | bottom line, is there anyone feeling like leading this effort? | 16:07 |
| wirehead_ | Well, the “I want to build a pile of templated containers from the CLI” is an interesting and non-Kolla specific issue. | 16:07 |
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| coolsvap | inc0, if you can have the bp and list of tasks i can help with some tasks | 16:08 |
| sdake | one opton people have kicked out is to use ansible to bulid the containers | 16:09 |
| vhosakot | inc0: I can help too.. is there a link for the bp? | 16:09 |
| sdake | i dont know if that owuld be flexible enough or us | 16:09 |
| coolsvap | thats one option i think we should be considering | 16:09 |
| coolsvap | atleast PoC | 16:09 |
| wirehead_ | I think it might be less imposing to first split the pieces up, then find people who can lead each piece. | 16:09 |
| inc0 | coolsvap vhosakot I'd really like one of you to take lead then;) | 16:09 |
| sdake | ya inc0 - first and second steps above, then we can distribute | 16:10 |
| inc0 | I can contribute ideas, but I would lie to you if I'd say I did enough research whether or not they are any good;) | 16:10 |
| Mech422__ | I need to add nova-docker to my nova containers - so I could work on something like that? maybe something with the new 'customization' stuff? | 16:10 |
| sdake | inc0 i think the problem is coolsvap and vhosakot don't know what work items to write in the blueprint | 16:10 |
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| inc0 | ok, so 3 of us, let's work on it together than ok? | 16:10 |
| inc0 | I just don't want to dominate this discussion, I just speculate what could be done | 16:11 |
| vhosakot | inc0: does refactoring build.py include chaning the way it logs output as well? | 16:11 |
| vhosakot | changing* | 16:11 |
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| sdake | a proper refacor changes no functionality | 16:11 |
| vhosakot | sdake: yep, I'll need help writing work items | 16:11 |
| inc0 | potentially, I know that harlowja already started this work | 16:11 |
| sdake | its a restructure of the code | 16:11 |
| coolsvap | inc0, wfm | 16:11 |
| inc0 | sdake, yeah, but fixing what's broken/stupid/could be better could also be good | 16:12 |
| sdake | i think separating the jinja2 generaton from the build into modules is a good starting point | 16:12 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, so how about we'll do good old etherpad brainstorm later? | 16:12 |
| sdake | a third module would be building the dependency graph | 16:12 |
| inc0 | maybe include multiple base images while we're at it | 16:12 |
| wirehead_ | Easier to first refactor with the understanding of what needs to change, then the change, IMHO. | 16:12 |
| inc0 | since it seems to be recurring topic | 16:13 |
| sdake | i recommend not changing functionality during a refactor | 16:13 |
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| inc0 | wirehead_, yeah, totally agree, let's brainstorm ideas first | 16:13 |
| sdake | it makes it harder to keep correct | 16:13 |
| vhosakot | yep, we'll add an etherpad to brainstorm the work items first... I have some ideas about avoiding bad cross-builds (building Ubuntu images on CentOS and vewversa) | 16:13 |
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| vhosakot | vice-versa* | 16:13 |
| inc0 | sdake, but we can pave work so this feature will be easier to implement | 16:13 |
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| wirehead_ | inc0: we’ve got our own parallel non-openstack-oriented implementation of some of build.py | 16:14 |
| sdake | i think hands will be ffull turning this into 3 submodules | 16:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | o/ | 16:14 |
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| sdake | hey Jeffrey4l | 16:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, sorry, i am late. | 16:14 |
| wirehead_ | inc0: So at the very least, I can see if dcwangmit01_ and I can offer some perspective. | 16:14 |
| sdake | ok gotta move on :) | 16:14 |
| sdake | #topic do we need tqdm | 16:14 |
| inc0 | wirehead_, I'd be interested to hear about reasons you made it and improvements | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "do we need tqdm (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:14 | |
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| coolsvap | harlowja, around? | 16:15 |
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| inc0 | tqdm? | 16:15 |
| inc0 | what's that? | 16:15 |
| sdake | no idea what it is or who added to agenda | 16:15 |
| wirehead_ | https://github.com/noamraph/tqdm | 16:15 |
| mandre | inc0: that's to show a progress bar | 16:15 |
| vhosakot | I think we should solve bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1546652 when re-factoring build.py | 16:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546652 in kolla "Add "--force-cross-build" argument to kolla-build" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Vikram Hosakote (vhosakot) | 16:15 |
| coolsvap | its a library included by harlowja in one of the logging reviews | 16:15 |
| rhallisey | covered it last week | 16:15 |
| coolsvap | yes | 16:15 |
| rhallisey | but we could review | 16:15 |
| rhallisey | :) | 16:15 |
| coolsvap | the review on requirements queue is abandoned | 16:15 |
| coolsvap | so unless we want it it will not be restored again | 16:16 |
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| sdake | ok, so this has been covered rhallisey ? | 16:16 |
| rhallisey | ya I mentioned it last week | 16:16 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah, I am all for friendly logging, but I dont think we had any actionable discussion items. :/ | 16:16 |
| sdake | #topic customization of dockerfiles | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "customization of dockerfiles (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:16 | |
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| inc0 | sooo | 16:17 |
| inc0 | we already have mechanism partially reviewed/merged | 16:17 |
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| sdake | and by partial he means it does about 25% of what it needs to do :) | 16:17 |
| inc0 | sdake, you mentioned that you would like to take lead on this? | 16:17 |
| sdake | yes of course - as soon as i am unburried from my current work | 16:18 |
| sdake | then distribute the work to the community | 16:18 |
| sdake | we should be able to knock it out in a week or so once the foundation is done | 16:18 |
| mandre | what are the outstanding patches that need to merge? | 16:19 |
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| sdake | i'm hopeful the core review team can spare 30min-2 hours to port our container sets (40 of em) to this new model | 16:19 |
| sdake | before we do that, we need the model to be correct | 16:19 |
| sdake | i'll be working on that first | 16:19 |
| sdake | mandre they are unwritten as of yet | 16:19 |
| Mech422__ | inc0: I need to learn the customization stuff - might as well have me do somethign useful while I learn it | 16:19 |
| britthouser | I'm game for helping the port sdake. | 16:19 |
| sdake | britthouser cool - this work will be easy - look at one docker file make it look like another | 16:20 |
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| vhosakot | sdake: me too.. will help ports | 16:20 |
| inc0 | Mech422__, ofc.. | 16:20 |
| inc0 | lots of work to do;) | 16:20 |
| sdake | but there is 130 containers in our tree | 16:20 |
| sdake | so it takes awhile to do | 16:20 |
| sdake | but the real problem is that work can't begin until i finish the prototype inc0 started | 16:20 |
| sdake | so thts where that is | 16:21 |
| sdake | any Q? | 16:21 |
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| sdake | #tiopic non-ini config | 16:22 |
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| inc0 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/third-party-plugin-support | 16:22 |
| inc0 | ok, that's important | 16:22 |
| mandre | sdake: thanks inc0 | 16:22 |
| inc0 | we have merge config for ini | 16:22 |
| inc0 | but we have no way of allowing customizations of non-ini config | 16:22 |
| sdake | #topic non-ini config | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "non-ini config (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:22 | |
| inc0 | also as it turns out, even our merge config isn't perfect | 16:22 |
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| inc0 | so I thought of changing way we deploy configs slightly | 16:23 |
| vhosakot | merge_config does not work for non-ini config files.. we need to just over-write instead of merging | 16:23 |
| inc0 | and figure out how to decouple generation of configs from deployment of them | 16:23 |
| inc0 | like, prep all the configs per hostname | 16:23 |
| inc0 | and then op will be able to change them to their liking | 16:23 |
| inc0 | and only then deploy | 16:24 |
| inc0 | what do you think of such solution? | 16:24 |
| sdake | that adds another action | 16:24 |
| mandre | inc0: seems like something that will be useful for kolla-kubernetes | 16:24 |
| Mech422__ | inc0: I like the simplicity | 16:24 |
| Mech422__ | inc0: just have a tree of configs, edit it, deploy it | 16:24 |
| inc0 | well, it will be a lot of files tho | 16:24 |
| inc0 | as we need this per-node | 16:25 |
| inc0 | anyway, UX will be important in this one | 16:25 |
| wirehead_ | Note that kolla-kubernetes is anti-hostname. | 16:25 |
| inc0 | and as sdake said, we might change deploy to actually 2 separate steps | 16:25 |
| Mech422__ | inc0: yeah - but its conceptually very easy to explain to people "go to configs/node1/etc/globals.yml and edit foo' | 16:25 |
| wirehead_ | Most of my patches are turning off per-hostname config generation for the kube case. | 16:25 |
| inc0 | yeah, this will be ansible specific to a point | 16:25 |
| inc0 | so, do you guys like this approach? | 16:26 |
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| sdake | i like the merge approach because it has less steps | 16:26 |
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| sdake | as in one :) | 16:26 |
| inc0 | sdake, but it's not possible for non-ini | 16:26 |
| sdake | i think this is a good midcycle topic | 16:26 |
| sdake | right for non-ini ust copy over | 16:26 |
| rhallisey | sounds good to me | 16:26 |
| inc0 | and it won't be possible for non-ini as we don't really want to write parser for every config format there is | 16:27 |
| sdake | inc0 i think we all agree on that point | 16:27 |
| inc0 | ok, we cna talk on midcycle about it | 16:27 |
| sdake | #topic gate instability | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gate instability (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:27 | |
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| sdake | who added to agenda? | 16:27 |
| inc0 | we still have non-voting gates | 16:28 |
| inc0 | hold on, looking for link | 16:28 |
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| vhosakot_ | sorry, got disconnected... | 16:28 |
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| inc0 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097401.html | 16:29 |
| inc0 | we still have non-voting, unstable gates | 16:29 |
| britthouser | we just gave you all the AIs vhosakot | 16:29 |
| Mech422__ | inc0: /me whispers augeas :-) | 16:29 |
| sdake | the unstable gates need to be fixed before there is to be eany voting | 16:29 |
| inc0 | FAILED on gate doesn't mean we didn't do good patch | 16:29 |
| vhosakot_ | wow ;) | 16:30 |
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| sdake | at one point the gates were pertty stable | 16:30 |
| sdake | and i was almost going to make them voting | 16:30 |
| sdake | or atlleast one of them | 16:30 |
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| coolsvap | inc0, yes but its very unpredictable | 16:30 |
| inc0 | soo, we *really* need to get to the bottom of problem and fix it | 16:30 |
| sdake | now the gates fail all the damn time | 16:30 |
| coolsvap | and many time just a couple of rechecks solve the issue | 16:31 |
| inc0 | if it's infra problem, we need to work with infra to find solution | 16:31 |
| sdake | recheck is the wrong answer | 16:31 |
| coolsvap | yes | 16:31 |
| inc0 | yeah, we shouldnt ever recheck | 16:31 |
| inc0 | recheck means gates are busted | 16:31 |
| sdake | 5% recheck ok | 16:31 |
| sdake | 50% recheck not ok | 16:31 |
| coolsvap | inc0, when we look at logs we know its not related to fix | 16:31 |
| sdake | coolsvap yes but that doesn't tell you patch is correct | 16:32 |
| inc0 | coolsvap, then let's start gathering issues it WAS related to | 16:32 |
| sdake | no develoepr trusts the gates | 16:32 |
| inc0 | and see if we can fix those | 16:32 |
| sdake | inc0 good idea | 16:32 |
| sdake | moment | 16:32 |
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| inc0 | at some point we want to say "gates failed so I failed" | 16:32 |
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| coolsvap | inc0, agreed | 16:32 |
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| sdake | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-gate-failures | 16:32 |
| inc0 | after that we make them voting, and after that we start going towards "gates are good so patch is good" | 16:33 |
| sdake | lets start first by classifying the fialures | 16:33 |
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| sdake | inc0 we can't make them voting until we are using mirrors in infra | 16:33 |
| inc0 | sdake, I don't thinkw e should do this right now, as it will take lots of time to figure out real issue | 16:33 |
| sdake | lets classify the issues | 16:33 |
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| sdake | we dont have to do it during meeting | 16:34 |
| sdake | but it needs to be done over time | 16:34 |
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| inc0 | anyway, show of hands, who volounteer for "gate task force" | 16:34 |
| inc0 | o/ | 16:34 |
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| inc0 | ehh...always alone ;_( | 16:35 |
| sdake | before we commit to fixing stuff | 16:35 |
| sdake | lets figure out what needs fixing | 16:35 |
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| inc0 | I mean people who will commit time to look at number of logs and figure out together common problems | 16:35 |
| sdake | oh, i expect the core team during their reviews to help identify the common problems | 16:36 |
| sdake | not debug them | 16:36 |
| sdake | but identify them | 16:36 |
| sdake | for example, I see sometimes the gate tries to pull from docker.io | 16:36 |
| Jeffrey4l | i am always debugging the gate. it is pain without the gate. | 16:36 |
| sdake | it should never do that except the centos image | 16:36 |
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| inc0 | and why centos is a special beast? | 16:37 |
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| coolsvap | inc0, the centos base image ;) | 16:37 |
| sdake | ubuntu same thing | 16:37 |
| coolsvap | or rather any base image | 16:37 |
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| sdake | ya centos:7 | 16:37 |
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| sdake | or ubuntu:16.04 | 16:37 |
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| Jeffrey4l | shouldn't we never pull the images from docker.io? | 16:37 |
| sdake | that is the only thing that hsould be coming from docker.io | 16:37 |
| Jeffrey4l | i mean the kolla images. | 16:37 |
| britthouser | There is a setting in docker config to block docker.io | 16:38 |
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| sdake | Jeffrey4l right - but i see gat efialures where the gate is tring to pull kolla images from docker.io | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | yes. | 16:38 |
| sdake | britthouser we need docker.io for the base image | 16:38 |
| sdake | anyway that is just one i saw of many | 16:38 |
| sdake | rabbitmq implodes | 16:38 |
| sdake | often | 16:38 |
| inc0 | guys, back to the topic at hand, let's not look for solution here, just figure out process of finding problems | 16:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | i think there may be something wrong in kolla_docker script. | 16:38 |
| britthouser | oh....so it can't find the image locally, so it starts searching. | 16:38 |
| sdake | the pocess of finding the problems is as follows: | 16:38 |
| sdake | 1. when reviewing, look at the failed gate - and provide a link to the fialure in the etherpad | 16:39 |
| inc0 | so we can use etherpad as scratchpad and add bugs | 16:39 |
| sdake | in 1-2 weeks we can come back and have lots of data to work with | 16:39 |
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| sdake | and actually solve it a person per gate problem | 16:39 |
| sdake | any disagreement? | 16:39 |
| inc0 | let's use specific tag for gate-related bugs | 16:40 |
| Jeffrey4l | agree. | 16:40 |
| coolsvap | nope looks like a good plan | 16:40 |
| inc0 | and submit bugs for every issue we see | 16:40 |
| sdake | lets not even file bugs yet | 16:40 |
| sdake | we have over 60 bugs in new state | 16:40 |
| sdake | filing bugs ins't helpful because they aren't being managed effectively by the core team | 16:40 |
| sdake | and I really can't do it alone | 16:41 |
| inc0 | that's different issue | 16:41 |
| sdake | project too big | 16:41 |
| sdake | i realize its a different issue | 16:41 |
| inc0 | let's manage them well;) | 16:41 |
| sdake | however filing bugs compounds it | 16:41 |
| inc0 | then let's not avoid filing, let's manage these bugs well so it wont compound this issue | 16:41 |
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| sdake | its hard to tell the noise from th stuff we need to look at immediately | 16:41 |
| inc0 | and in the process learn to manage rest of bugs well too;) | 16:42 |
| sdake | i intend to teach people at midcycle how to triage properly | 16:42 |
| sdake | anyway moving on :) | 16:42 |
| coolsvap | i agree with sdake every morning i look at bugs i find more bugs to update things than look at them for resolution | 16:42 |
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| britthouser | seems like summarizing gate issues into buckets, and file a bug for each bucket would keep the signal-to-noise ratio down? | 16:42 |
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| sdake | britthouser right thatis the purpose of the etherpad - t o determien a list o critical bugs we can track as gate problems | 16:43 |
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| inc0 | britthouser, yeah, we just need good process to determine buckets;) | 16:43 |
| * britthouser likes to state the obvious I guess | 16:43 | |
| sdake | softball ftw ;) | 16:43 |
| sdake | #topic kolla-kubernetess | 16:43 |
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| inc0 | so bottom line, look at suspiciously failed gate logs and see what's wrong | 16:43 |
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| sdake | i'd recommend not diagnosing | 16:44 |
| sdake | unless your keen to do so | 16:44 |
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| sdake | diagnosing a gate bug takes 2-3 weeks | 16:44 |
| sdake | lets figure out which ones we have | 16:44 |
| rhallisey | I've been looking at ansible for deployment of kolla-kube. The ansible kubernetes module needs a few patches which I'm almost done with | 16:44 |
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| sdake | rhallisey please link the specification | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | doing ansible for deployment would take some of the load off of kube to handle deployemnt | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | didn't make a spec | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | it's just a poc | 16:45 |
| sdake | nah i mean the k8s + olla spec | 16:45 |
| rhallisey | k | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304182/ | 16:46 |
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| sdake | ok cats | 16:46 |
| sdake | need +2s on the spec please | 16:46 |
| inc0 | rhallisey, so what do you think? does it seem like a good idea at all? | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | 9 +2s is enought to +a | 16:46 |
| sdake | oh are there 9 | 16:46 |
| sdake | wow you guys move fast :) | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | inc0, well, it beats python + etcd + bash scripts | 16:46 |
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| sdake | ok w+1 :) | 16:47 |
| inc0 | rhallisey did good job about this one;) I +2 without reading;) (j/k) | 16:47 |
| rhallisey | the downside would be that kube doesn't not have as much control | 16:47 |
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| inc0 | does it need this kind of control tho? | 16:47 |
| rhallisey | inc0, :) | 16:47 |
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| rhallisey | inc0, need, not really. But it would make use of the native upgrade workflow | 16:48 |
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| rhallisey | but even with the native upgrade workflow, it wouldn't be possible to upgrade openstack without life cycle hooks | 16:48 |
| sdake | i don't think the native upgrade workflow actually works in our use case | 16:48 |
| inc0 | well I'm afraid that you won't be able to do all the upgrades with k8s native stuff | 16:48 |
| sdake | but that is down the road imo | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | which dont' exists atm | 16:48 |
| inc0 | anyway, I'm happy to help with figuring upgrades out | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | inc0, we coudl still do the upgrades | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | it would just be ansible driven | 16:49 |
| inc0 | one way or another | 16:49 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah, I’m not entirely sure where the k8s community is going to head as far as upgrades go. | 16:49 |
| wirehead_ | So far, the feeling I’ve been getting is that the community doesn’t see it as part of core. | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | wirehead_, I expect them to build in more advanced life cycle hooks so that you can actaully do some stuff in the middle of scaling down/up the containers | 16:49 |
| wirehead_ | So we might be stuck with our upgrades regardless. | 16:49 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah. | 16:50 |
| rhallisey | but we could be waiting a long time | 16:50 |
| rhallisey | ~9 months | 16:50 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah. | 16:50 |
| inc0 | we can gradually remove ansible from it | 16:50 |
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| rhallisey | inc0, that's also true | 16:50 |
| pbourke | that just seems bizzare | 16:50 |
| rhallisey | pbourke, what's that | 16:50 |
| pbourke | kubernetes literally has no concept of upgrades? | 16:50 |
| sdake | pbourke shaking my head too | 16:50 |
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| rhallisey | pbourke, it does, but not to the level we need it | 16:50 |
| wirehead_ | Also, there’s weirdness at the moment with the kolla-kubernetes CLI and how some parts of it are very Ansible and other parts of it aren’t. | 16:50 |
| inc0 | pbourke, upgrades -> scale down and scale up | 16:50 |
| inc0 | that's it | 16:50 |
| sdake | pbourke it does but they lack flexilbity | 16:50 |
| pbourke | inc0: that's not really upgrades though | 16:50 |
| rhallisey | pbourke, it's exactly like inc0 said it | 16:50 |
| inc0 | true...but that's what it is | 16:51 |
| wirehead_ | I think a lot of the early adopters have made their systems less reliant upon harsh database upgrades. | 16:51 |
| wirehead_ | So they just plain don’t need an OpenStack-styled upgrade. | 16:51 |
| inc0 | yeah, container apps are different | 16:51 |
| rhallisey | I highly doubt anyone in the kube community has upgraded an 'application' as complex as openstack that needs to be cluster aware | 16:52 |
| inc0 | we have to deal with not exactly containerish apps tho | 16:52 |
| rhallisey | the killer here is cluster aware | 16:52 |
| inc0 | yeah, kinda | 16:52 |
| sdake | topic change | 16:52 |
| rhallisey | we either build that awareness into ansible or into the containers | 16:52 |
| inc0 | so bottom line, I'd rather see proper upgrades than true to k8s 100% | 16:52 |
| sdake | networking security in kubernetes | 16:52 |
| sdake | i see this 0.0.0.0 bind all going on | 16:52 |
| sdake | i think that may be secure in a kubernetes world | 16:53 |
| sdake | but it sure does make it easy for data to leak to the wrong location | 16:53 |
| wirehead_ | It’s more-or-less the only way to fly in the kube world. | 16:53 |
| inc0 | well, it will be 0.0.0.0 without net host sdake | 16:53 |
| inc0 | so it is secure really | 16:53 |
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| rhallisey | ya there's no net=host | 16:53 |
| inc0 | 0.0.0.0 is problem with net=host | 16:53 |
| sdake | i get it | 16:53 |
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| sdake | but the management network should be different from the api network for example | 16:54 |
| sdake | does k8s offer that kind of functionality? | 16:54 |
| inc0 | mgmt==api | 16:54 |
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| rhallisey | we can't use net=host for multinode because say if two of the same pods end up on the same node. Bad news | 16:54 |
| sdake | right - thats a security problem | 16:54 |
| inc0 | data plane is different, but that won't be affected by k8s | 16:54 |
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| wirehead_ | So, right now, none of the services are exposed outside of the k8s cluster. | 16:55 |
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| wirehead_ | We need to create Ingress resources to expose the API services. | 16:55 |
| inc0 | sdake, I think we need more knowledge to determine security of k8s tho | 16:55 |
| sdake | would someone write up state of the union on security in k8s with the work going on | 16:55 |
| sdake | i'd like to understand it | 16:55 |
| sdake | because 1 of 2 things that consistently kills projects is poor security | 16:55 |
| rhallisey | wirehead_, doc? :) | 16:56 |
| wirehead_ | Sure. | 16:56 |
| sdake | cool | 16:56 |
| rhallisey | I can start a doc and we can tackle it together if you like | 16:56 |
| sdake | specifically I'd like to understand how if i have access to the api network i can't get at the management network :) | 16:56 |
| inc0 | sdake, api network == public endpoints? | 16:57 |
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| wirehead_ | So, we’re going to need to write that up for the docs regardless because you need to be careful about a few configuration details in the everything-in-one-kube-cluster model. | 16:57 |
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| sdake | inc0 yup | 16:57 |
| Jeffrey4l | if there is net=host in k8s, what the openvswitch_db/libvirt will be like? | 16:57 |
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| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, I don't think we can use k8s for neutron services | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | they will be net=host I believe | 16:58 |
| inc0 | or nova-compute | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | ok. | 16:58 |
| inc0 | neutron agents * | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | all compute service will be anchored too | 16:58 |
| inc0 | not in it's usual way anyway | 16:58 |
| wirehead_ | net=host services can access kube services. | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | got it . | 16:58 |
| wirehead_ | It’s just you can’t expose an API that uses net=host as a kube service without work. | 16:58 |
| sdake | ok meeting time is up | 16:59 |
| inc0 | thanks folks | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | thx | 16:59 |
| sdake | hvee to overflow - apologies for no open discussion | 16:59 |
| wirehead_ | Oh, and I’ve got it to a demoable state. | 16:59 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| coolsvap | thanks | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 16:59:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-06-22-15.59.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-06-22-15.59.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-06-22-15.59.log.html | 16:59 |
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| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 22 17:30:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:30 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 17:30 |
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| dougwig | I can almost taste the guinness. Can you? | 17:30 |
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| HenryG | heh | 17:30 |
| boden | almost :) | 17:30 |
| boden | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324090/ | 17:30 |
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| HenryG | I am torn. | 17:31 |
| boden | raises concern about changing public facing APIs/vars | 17:31 |
| HenryG | I like the change, but if we break someone we will be hated. | 17:31 |
| dougwig | so, i was referring to this: https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lib/blob/master/doc/source/conventions.rst | 17:32 |
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| HenryG | "a long-term stable interface for subprojects" ? | 17:33 |
| dougwig | we published it, not private, not legacy, so under our own rules: "Standard modules - current cycle + 2 deprecation policy" | 17:33 |
| dougwig | admittedly i wrote that, and there's only three of us. but avoiding interface churn is why we exist. | 17:33 |
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| HenryG | But sometimes we land things in lib that are a copy of what was in Neutron, yet it should have been tweaked so that only some subset it public. | 17:34 |
| HenryG | s/it/is/ | 17:35 |
| dougwig | i expect we have some wiggle room if it hasn't hit pypi yet. did this? | 17:35 |
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| HenryG | unfortunately it appears to be in 0.2.0 | 17:37 |
| boden | dougwig; not sure I understand that statement. you are saying if the validators var didn’t get released as part of lib then we would have wiggle room? | 17:37 |
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| dougwig | if we released anything public (no underscore), and a release means it went on pypi, then we're stuck supporting it. if it's in master but hasn't been released, then we can likely tweak it. | 17:38 |
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| boden | why its confusing is because I thought we agreed “enhancements” to code moved into lib would be done “after the fact”… the statements sound a bit contradictory or at least cause some contention as now we only have a window of time to enhance code | 17:39 |
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| dougwig | you can move it into an _module.py or _module/*.py if you want to tweak it without it being public yet. | 17:39 |
| boden | I do understand the premise, I’m just trying to understand how we manage “enhancing” code | 17:39 |
| HenryG | boden: the "enhancements" must be done before the next pypi release | 17:39 |
| boden | thats fair | 17:40 |
| boden | so we have to follow our deprecation rule here I guess… or change our rules :) | 17:40 |
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| kevinbenton | "we haven't reached 1.0.0 yet, so we aren't stable" :) | 17:41 |
| dougwig | yes, certainly releasing code as a library is a different kettle of fish than we're used to. | 17:41 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: lol | 17:41 |
| dougwig | i see an 0.99.4567a in our future. | 17:41 |
| HenryG | kevinbenton: tell that to the users | 17:42 |
| HenryG | We should make a (devref?) note that we need look over new additions for potential enhancements before making any pypi release. | 17:43 |
| boden | HenryG: agree | 17:43 |
| boden | I had a doc change out there already so I can take that one | 17:43 |
| dougwig | i wonder how hard it'd be to generate a 'new interfaces' report before release. | 17:43 |
| HenryG | dougwig: that would be nice | 17:44 |
| boden | +1 | 17:44 |
| HenryG | The other topic is about things like https://review.openstack.org/319769 | 17:44 |
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| HenryG | It is not clear how many of those utils are used outside Neutron core | 17:46 |
| dougwig | i believe you are referring to this comment? "This patch brings up an interesting question -- are these used anywhere but neutron? And if so, should we lib them, or does neutron itself have a place for its own "util" routines? I'm kind of torn." | 17:46 |
| HenryG | yes | 17:46 |
| dougwig | i'm a tad bit against supporting those interfaces in such a strict way if no one is using them except neutron. that seems to reduce flexibility for us as a project, not strengthen our external interface contracts. | 17:47 |
| boden | it would be nice to have a tool to help with such analysis if one doesn’t already exist.. it’s time consuming to manually check each in a patch of this size | 17:47 |
| HenryG | dougwig: I can certainly see that. But two things ... | 17:48 |
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| HenryG | 1. Having a util non-private in Neutron means it could potentially be picked up externally at any point (or have we communicated that folks should not do that any more?) | 17:49 |
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| HenryG | 2. External repos may have made a local copy of a Neutron util | 17:50 |
| dougwig | the tox rule should prevent neutron imports, at least by official projects. | 17:51 |
| HenryG | Right, I do think it makes sense to concentrate on the existing imports first. | 17:51 |
| HenryG | I'll change my vote on the utils patch(es). | 17:52 |
| boden | dougwig: sorry, which tox rule? | 17:53 |
| HenryG | boden: hacking N530 | 17:53 |
| dougwig | 'N530', 'neutron', 'neutron_lib.', logical_line, | 17:54 |
| dougwig | message_override="direct neutron imports not allowed") | 17:54 |
| dougwig | our arguments are way too tame. we need some yelling, chair throwing, etc... | 17:56 |
| dougwig | just imagine henry in leather chaps, standing on the bar, holding a broken bottle. | 17:57 |
| boden | yikes! ;) | 17:57 |
| HenryG | Should I grow a beard? | 17:57 |
| dougwig | "you will *not* change this interface!" "oh yes, i'm adding *kwargs* you m**f**!" | 17:57 |
| boden | I agree with the agrument… I wasn’t aware of the future plans to enable N530 in projects | 17:58 |
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| boden | a general question - is there any way we can get more core eyes on lib patches? I won’t be able to complete the work we discussed for this release at the current rate. not complaining; just being transparent | 17:58 |
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| dougwig | you're right, we'll talk to armax. i've been distracted, though that is coming to an end. but we need more. too many and we'll start slipping more interfaces we're stuck with, though. | 18:00 |
| boden | thx | 18:01 |
| dougwig | anything else today? | 18:02 |
| HenryG | The api-ref maybe | 18:02 |
| dougwig | shoot | 18:02 |
| HenryG | But I think Akihiro has that under control | 18:02 |
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| HenryG | Let's wait until he posts the api-ref verification sprint details. | 18:03 |
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| dougwig | ok | 18:04 |
| dougwig | is that a virtual sprint? | 18:04 |
| HenryG | I think we should probably make him core for those patches | 18:04 |
| HenryG | When they start arriving | 18:04 |
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| dougwig | works for me. | 18:05 |
| HenryG | Nothing else from me. | 18:06 |
| boden | me either | 18:06 |
| dougwig | ok, let's blast out of here. thanks all. | 18:07 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 18:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 18:07:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-06-22-17.30.html | 18:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-06-22-17.30.txt | 18:07 |
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