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| newt_ | #startmeeting openstack-salt | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 21 13:00:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is newt_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-salt)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_salt' | 13:00 |
| newt_ | #topic roll call | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: openstack-salt)" | 13:01 | |
| newt_ | hello | 13:01 |
| majklk | hi | 13:02 |
| newt_ | hi majk | 13:02 |
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| jpavlik | hello all | 13:04 |
| epcim | is Ales here? | 13:04 |
| jpavlik | what is the agenda? | 13:04 |
| jpavlik | newt can you start? | 13:04 |
| newt_ | yes I'm waiting for the folk | 13:05 |
| newt_ | for the Penguin especially | 13:05 |
| genunix | o/ | 13:05 |
| newt_ | #topic Introduction | 13:06 |
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| newt_ | This meeting for the openstack-salt team | 13:06 |
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| newt_ | if you're interested in contributing to the discussion, please join #openstack-salt | 13:06 |
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| newt_ | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Salt_Team_Meeting | 13:06 |
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| newt_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-salt | 13:06 |
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| newt_ | #topic Review past action items | 13:07 |
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| newt_ | newt_ to test the new heat/vagrant provisioning | 13:07 |
| newt_ | we have done this with Tux, I saw you entering buddy, can you tell us more about the status? | 13:08 |
| newt_ | Of the heat/vagrant, is there any docs? | 13:08 |
| Tux_ | Heat stacks in two variants, single and cluster with parametrized bootstrap scripts are already tested for several possible variations of operating system, networking etc., Im working on documentation now | 13:09 |
| jpavlik | are there any blueprints on plan features? | 13:09 |
| newt_ | yes | 13:09 |
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| jpavlik | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-salt | 13:10 |
| newt_ | it's according to the blueprint for orchestration automation | 13:10 |
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| jpavlik | we should update status and assign specific tasks | 13:11 |
| jpavlik | newt as PTL should approve appropriate bluperints | 13:11 |
| newt_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-salt/+spec/service-orchestration | 13:11 |
| newt_ | the idea of this blueprint is to allow orchestration of openstack with various configuration options | 13:12 |
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| newt_ | when the docs of possible parameters is up, we're ready to go on and test it | 13:12 |
| jpavlik | great | 13:12 |
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| newt_ | then there is: marco to provide support for testing midonet setup on heat stack | 13:13 |
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| jpavlik | OK can we move to topic of getting these formulas official | 13:13 |
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| newt_ | is marco around | 13:14 |
| jpavlik | do we have a list of formulas? midonet, kubernetes, swift | 13:14 |
| jpavlik | marco is offline | 13:14 |
| newt_ | I see | 13:14 |
| jpavlik | but he finished salt-formula-midonet | 13:14 |
| newt_ | I've heard, I was wondering how far did he get with the testing suite. | 13:15 |
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| newt_ | How do we setup process to accept a new formula to opesntack official repos? | 13:16 |
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| jpavlik | marco can you provide update for midonet? | 13:16 |
| newt_ | Shall we vote? | 13:16 |
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| jpavlik | we can vote | 13:16 |
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| marco_ | midonet formula is done for kilo, salt-formula-neutron is under review | 13:17 |
| newt_ | who is for to add midonet-formula to mainstream? | 13:17 |
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| newt_ | or has some objections? | 13:17 |
| jpavlik | +1 | 13:18 |
| Tux_ | +1 | 13:18 |
| marco_ | +1 | 13:18 |
| newt_ | +1 | 13:18 |
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| genunix | +1 | 13:19 |
| newt_ | #action add midonet to openstack-salt formulas | 13:19 |
| newt_ | #action newt add midonet to openstack-salt formulas | 13:19 |
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| newt_ | Now the swift formula, it has been tested and been running on kilo and liberty | 13:20 |
| epcim | regarding task , epcim to find out if our networking approach is rh7 compatible and suitable- - consistent naming interfaces on ubuntu >= 15.10 and rhel >= 7. Are we about to open this topic.. | 13:20 |
| marco_ | i wrote, that it is ready only for kilo | 13:20 |
| marco_ | and we need to test with rh | 13:20 |
| Tux_ | We should add midonet formula support to our OS Salt lab stacks after all necessary reviews are closed and merged | 13:20 |
| jpavlik | we can get repository under openstack official and start review procedure to be able add support for redhat | 13:21 |
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| newt_ | Tux_: agreed, but the formula will be under oficial processes when being worked on | 13:21 |
| newt_ | we will fix all the remaining issues using reviews and openstack CI | 13:22 |
| jpavlik | epcim: hold on. We have to approve all formulas going official. | 13:22 |
| newt_ | the question to add the swift | 13:22 |
| newt_ | who votes for? | 13:22 |
| epcim | +1 | 13:22 |
| genunix | +1 | 13:23 |
| jpavlik | +1 | 13:23 |
| Tux_ | +1 | 13:23 |
| newt_ | ok | 13:23 |
| newt_ | agreed and what about kubernetes? this one is the trickiest, not being the openstack service | 13:24 |
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| jpavlik | it should be there as well | 13:24 |
| genunix | -1 | 13:24 |
| genunix | nothing related to openstack | 13:25 |
| jpavlik | but it is community | 13:25 |
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| jpavlik | kolla-kubernetes is related to openstack? | 13:25 |
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| newt_ | jpavlik: kolla is just about kubernetes, we focus on all services in general | 13:25 |
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| newt_ | I'm hesitant, it does not belong to openstack services but it is used to run them and it would be nice if it was managed by OS CI | 13:26 |
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| marco_ | kolla is about running openstack in containers, which is part of salt-formula-kubernetes as well | 13:27 |
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| jpavlik | I would like to get it out from tcpcloud namespace to be more community open solution. Alternative for kolla | 13:27 |
| jpavlik | it is same like https://github.com/openstack/fuel-plugin-saltstack | 13:28 |
| jpavlik | nothing related to openstack | 13:28 |
| newt_ | anyone else throws a vote? | 13:28 |
| genunix | +1 for move, but we should not mess openstack community with non-openstack. Otherwise we can also move formulas like postfix, freeipa, jenkins, etc. | 13:28 |
| genunix | I would better try to push again discussion with SaltStack about making our formulas more official | 13:28 |
| epcim | what repo? | 13:28 |
| jpavlik | genunix: I think that kubernetes formula is not same like linux or postfix | 13:29 |
| Tux_ | I think I agree with jpavlik on this, if there are other barely related projects already, this one could really benefit the comunity | 13:29 |
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| jpavlik | I see huge benefit in open CI | 13:29 |
| genunix | jpavlik: but you can say freeipa has some relation because you can use LDAP backend for keystone auth that it provides. | 13:30 |
| jpavlik | kubernetes should be a new mainstream for running openstack-salt | 13:30 |
| epcim | +1 me too | 13:30 |
| genunix | we can make SaltStack community CI for all of these non-openstack formulas | 13:30 |
| jpavlik | genunix: this is best way, however we do not have power to get there. | 13:30 |
| epcim | jpavlik: but both solutions deployment to virtuals / kubernets should coexist. As both will be used for productions.. | 13:31 |
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| newt_ | well, we agreed on midonet and swift, kubernetes is a little different, we should take care of the non-openstack formulas in consistent way | 13:31 |
| epcim | containerised services for OS might attract new users.. for sure.. | 13:31 |
| Tux_ | I also think Kubernetes should be an alternative, I wouldnt throw away legacy solutions just yet | 13:32 |
| newt_ | I will talk to the infra guys about the number of repos we can have | 13:33 |
| jpavlik | I am not talking about throwing. Discussion is about get kubernetes under openstack namespace, because it is related and it can be part of future simple installer for community | 13:33 |
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| newt_ | If the limits are fine I'd consider moving all things related to running openstack with salt there. | 13:34 |
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| newt_ | this leads us to: Tux to add the SPM support to formulas and register to inverntory if there's any | 13:34 |
| newt_ | epcim: we'll get to your issue shortly | 13:35 |
| genunix | to including linux and other formulas? | 13:35 |
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| jpavlik | they will not approve, because it is duplication of official saltstack | 13:35 |
| newt_ | if you look at ansible repositories under openstack-salt | 13:35 |
| newt_ | openstackansible i ment | 13:35 |
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| newt_ | you see many non openstack related repos | 13:36 |
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| epcim | jpavlik: no there may be as many as spm sites for individual solution | 13:36 |
| Tux_ | newt_: Im currently facing some difficulties with metadata, default metadata in formula root cannot be cleanly included to SPM package, Ill look into this more, otherwise SPM packaging metadata are already prepared for all formulas | 13:36 |
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| epcim | tcpcloud may provid spm repo for openstack-salt formulas | 13:36 |
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| newt_ | the metadata issue, I'll update the blueprint to handle this | 13:36 |
| newt_ | +1 to spm repo | 13:37 |
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| epcim | +1 to spm repo | 13:37 |
| jpavlik | +1 spm | 13:37 |
| Tux_ | I was thinking the same thing +1 for spm repo | 13:37 |
| newt_ | Tux_: can you write to salt issue? | 13:38 |
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| newt_ | that tcp can host the spm repository and setup jobs to deliver new versions there | 13:39 |
| newt_ | so the salt community may start using the openstack-salt formulas right away | 13:39 |
| epcim | fine! | 13:40 |
| newt_ | the metadata issue means the reclass classes are not available, but it is solveable | 13:40 |
| newt_ | now epcim to find out if our networking approach is rh7 compatible and suitable | 13:40 |
| epcim | continue "networking approach is rh7 compatible" -> Basically you should read http://askubuntu.com/a/689143 (udev/systemd is giving the names based on multiple attributes ( mac, firmware, etc.. ) Thus on virtualization it will gent "inconsistent" as a side effect for a automation and cfg. mgmt tools. The solutions are: A, remove the persistent rules from | 13:40 |
| epcim | configuration on each platform (ie: ln -s /dev/null /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-name-slot.rules; Pass the `net.ifnames=0` to kernel.) B, to write custom naaming (internet0, public0) rules and still do (A); C, avoid using a interface names (as they are not important) and introduce new attributes (private_ip, public_ip, ...), that will be shared in grains etc.. | 13:40 |
| epcim | (example, as OHAI does for cloud ISVs: https://github.com/chef/ohai/blob/master/lib/ohai/plugins/cloud.rb) | 13:40 |
| epcim | pls have a quick look on the links | 13:40 |
| Tux_ | newt_: Yeah I would like your support with this issue, I didnt come up with any good solution yet | 13:40 |
| Tux_ | newt_: At the moment Im unable to deliver service class with SPM package | 13:41 |
| genunix | which is expected | 13:42 |
| newt_ | epcim: we can setup kernel params by states, the default interface names can be map.jinja based? | 13:42 |
| epcim | I am for (C) as it's pluggable per environment.. | 13:42 |
| epcim | i see the issue with (B) that may not fit the other customers | 13:43 |
| newt_ | but I think we'll need to go in more detail it is too much info for me to make some decision :) | 13:44 |
| jpavlik | I do not understand what is the problem. You tested ubuntu 16.04 and hit issue with networking? | 13:44 |
| epcim | as well as on some platforms (not sure but ec2, docker) you may not be given the options to modify interface names | 13:44 |
| epcim | the issue is that since 16.04 and rhel 7 the intefaces has names like: ens6s0 | 13:45 |
| jpavlik | can we discuss this later on irc channel? because this is very deep dive | 13:45 |
| jpavlik | and bring resolution on next irc meeting? | 13:45 |
| newt_ | this about the past meeting issues | 13:46 |
| epcim | re, first link. based on naming sheme used in rules it may contain part of mac/firmware etc.. | 13:46 |
| jpavlik | I need to understand it in more detail | 13:46 |
| jpavlik | We are not targeting interface by specific names | 13:46 |
| jpavlik | it is different per deployment | 13:46 |
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| epcim | The following different naming schemes for network interfaces are now supported by udev natively: | 13:46 |
| epcim | 1) Names incorporating Firmware/BIOS provided index numbers for on-board devices (example: eno1) | 13:46 |
| epcim | 2) Names incorporating Firmware/BIOS provided PCI Express hotplug slot index numbers (example: ens1) | 13:46 |
| epcim | 3) Names incorporating physical/geographical location of the connector of the hardware (example: enp2s0) | 13:46 |
| epcim | 4) Names incorporating the interfaces's MAC address (example: enx78e7d1ea46da) | 13:46 |
| epcim | 5) Classic, unpredictable kernel-native ethX naming (example: eth0) - depreciated | 13:46 |
| jpavlik | but this is not a problem | 13:46 |
| epcim | reclass salt models they does... | 13:46 |
| jpavlik | reclass must be fit to every physical server | 13:47 |
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| jpavlik | you cannot predict anything, even if you use mac address someone has to set it manually | 13:47 |
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| epcim | but that is changing with containers for example | 13:47 |
| jpavlik | we do not manage interfaces inside of container | 13:47 |
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| jpavlik | you do not care about ip in container | 13:47 |
| newt_ | yes | 13:47 |
| jpavlik | there is not interface management | 13:48 |
| newt_ | no network management if the model is note set | 13:48 |
| epcim | in formulas you want to bind services to particular subnets (so you are aquire them by interface name "today") | 13:48 |
| genunix | + for these purposes (determine interface, mac addr, whatever), there are grains | 13:48 |
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| jpavlik | we bind on ip address not interface | 13:48 |
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| jpavlik | 0.0.0.0 or vip address | 13:48 |
| epcim | (example, as OHAI does for cloud ISVs: https://github.com/chef/ohai/blob/master/lib/ohai/plugins/cloud.rb) | 13:48 |
| jpavlik | or single local address | 13:48 |
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| jpavlik | I suggest to discuss this individualy | 13:49 |
| Tux_ | epcim: can you provide us with specific example of state that uses interface names directly? I don't know wheter we use this at the moment or not | 13:49 |
| epcim | grains shoud return 'private_ipv4' of node (what ever interface). Ohai for example is checking on what interface is default route to return these entries - it's more complex than just map interfaces. | 13:49 |
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| genunix | we can introduce grain that will determine and provide that information | 13:50 |
| genunix | if needed | 13:50 |
| jpavlik | but there is no need to do that | 13:50 |
| jpavlik | I need to know use case | 13:50 |
| jpavlik | because until now I do not care about naming on interfaces | 13:50 |
| epcim | genunix: will we manage to do that somehow pluggable (so others, using the formulas may modify?) | 13:50 |
| jpavlik | only in case of vrouter | 13:50 |
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| newt_ | ok, let's move to the today's workload, this discussion is getting some friction :) | 13:51 |
| epcim | Tux_: grep them (it's general issue for future compat). | 13:51 |
| newt_ | #topic Today's Agenda | 13:52 |
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| newt_ | today's agenda is about the past agenda, but I'll try to summarise: | 13:52 |
| newt_ | get the midonet, swift formulas in infra repo | 13:52 |
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| newt_ | get the test suite documented and used for midonet and dvr in 1st wave | 13:53 |
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| newt_ | get the spm to formulas and repo ready for all formulas | 13:54 |
| newt_ | that's it for recapitulation of our tasks | 13:54 |
| newt_ | now | 13:54 |
| newt_ | #topic Open Discussion | 13:54 |
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| jpavlik | OK, lets discuss this on irc | 13:55 |
| jpavlik | thanks everybody | 13:55 |
| newt_ | does anyone else have something on their mind? | 13:55 |
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| newt_ | we'll it's all gentlemen | 13:57 |
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| newt_ | have a nice rest of day | 13:57 |
| newt_ | #endmeeting | 13:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 21 13:57:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-06-21-13.00.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-06-21-13.00.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-06-21-13.00.log.html | 13:58 |
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| EmilienM | meeting cancelled, no topic this week | 14:58 |
| mwhahaha | :o | 14:58 |
| EmilienM | GO BACK TO WORK | 14:58 |
| EmilienM | :P | 14:58 |
| mwhahaha | ok :( | 14:58 |
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| gibi_ | #startmeeting nova notification | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 21 17:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova notification)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_notification' | 17:00 |
| rlrossit_ | o/ | 17:00 |
| gibi_ | hi! | 17:00 |
| sneti | hi | 17:00 |
| syjulian | hi! | 17:00 |
| pumaranikar | hi | 17:01 |
| gibi_ | I'm planning a short meeting so let's get started :) | 17:01 |
| gibi_ | #topic outstanding reviews | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "outstanding reviews (Meeting topic: nova notification)" | 17:01 | |
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| gibi_ | some base commits still waiting for core review | 17:02 |
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| gibi_ | wrap_exception, instance.delete, and instance.update is still on the list | 17:02 |
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| gibi_ | I'm hunting the cores to get them in | 17:03 |
| rlrossit_ | wrap_exception got eyes from mriedem | 17:03 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit_: yep, that is close now | 17:03 |
| rlrossit_ | I've been a busy bee this last week, so I haven't looked at any recently | 17:03 |
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| gibi_ | rlrossit_: no worries. when you have time we still appreciate your feedback on any of the outstanding review | 17:04 |
| gibi_ | mostly instance.delete and update are the hard ones | 17:05 |
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| gibi_ | peole made good progress on proposing transformation patches based on instance.delete | 17:05 |
| gibi_ | I try to review them daily | 17:06 |
| gibi_ | but most of them already in good shape | 17:06 |
| gibi_ | waiting for the parent patches to merge | 17:06 |
| gibi_ | so thank you! good job! | 17:06 |
| pumaranikar | :) | 17:08 |
| gibi_ | syjulian: where we are with the json schema stuff? | 17:08 |
| syjulian | mostly waiting for reviews | 17:08 |
| syjulian | should I get some cores to look at it? | 17:08 |
| gibi_ | syjulian: last time I checked I liked both patches, so from my perspective it can be pushed for the cores | 17:09 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit_: do you agree? | 17:09 |
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| syjulian | gibi_: is there a certain core that works with the notification subteam? or should I just contact any? | 17:10 |
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| gibi_ | syjulian: I think you should ask for reviews on the oslo channel | 17:10 |
| rlrossit_ | gibi_: yeah, I think I was getting close to good with it | 17:11 |
| syjulian | sure thing | 17:11 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit_: do you know any oslo core that might be interested about checking it? | 17:11 |
| rlrossit_ | gibi_: lemme go hunt down the core list quick | 17:12 |
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| gibi_ | the spec was approved by dims | 17:13 |
| rlrossit_ | I would maybe tap jaypipes or dansmith to get a nova-side look on the change, and then ask if dims wants to take a look | 17:13 |
| gibi_ | sounds like a good plan | 17:14 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit_: thanks | 17:14 |
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| syjulian | cool | 17:15 |
| syjulian | i'll do that | 17:15 |
| gibi_ | syjulian: thanks | 17:15 |
| gibi_ | any other review we have to talk about today? | 17:15 |
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| gibi_ | it seems there isn't any | 17:17 |
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| gibi_ | #topic open discussion | 17:17 |
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| gibi_ | I have one thing | 17:18 |
| gibi_ | this week nova team meeting is in US time zone | 17:18 |
| gibi_ | which is quite late for me | 17:18 |
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| rlrossit_ | I got it if you can't make it gibi_ | 17:19 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit_: could you take that? If not then I will send and update to mridiem before the meeting | 17:19 |
| rlrossit_ | beat you to it :) | 17:19 |
| gibi_ | rlrossit_: thanks a lot! | 17:19 |
| gibi_ | OK, any other thing to discuss today? | 17:20 |
| syjulian | will the subteam meet up during the midcycle? | 17:20 |
| gibi_ | ohh good comment | 17:21 |
| gibi_ | unfortunately I cannot make it to the midcycle this time | 17:21 |
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| rlrossit_ | I will also not be in attendance | 17:21 |
| gibi_ | I will send a status report to the ML before the midcycle and sync with the cores if needed | 17:21 |
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| syjulian | are they any different from the design sessions? | 17:22 |
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| gibi_ | it is like the friday meetup | 17:22 |
| gibi_ | big round table | 17:22 |
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| gibi_ | and discussion based on a giant etherpoad | 17:23 |
| syjulian | gotcha | 17:23 |
| rlrossit_ | it tends to be a little less structured as well | 17:23 |
| rlrossit_ | they have the etherpad, but they can go off in the weeds sometimes | 17:23 |
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| syjulian | is that something you guys think newbies should go to? | 17:24 |
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| rlrossit_ | as with every other openstack event... it wouldn't hurt | 17:25 |
| gibi_ | good source of information but it is the best if you can contribute to the discussion | 17:25 |
| rlrossit_ | but the only midcycle I went to was the one in Rochester last summer, and back then I was about 2 weeks into openstack | 17:25 |
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| rlrossit_ | I guess I went to the Neutron midcycle in Rochester this winter as well, but it was drastically less structured than the nova midcycle | 17:25 |
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| gibi_ | I think if you can then go it is a good experience anyhow | 17:27 |
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| syjulian | yeah. hopefully some folks from my team can go | 17:28 |
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| gibi_ | anything else we need to discuss? | 17:30 |
| gibi_ | then let's close the meeting | 17:31 |
| gibi_ | thanks! | 17:32 |
| gibi_ | #endmeeting | 17:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 21 17:32:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2016/nova_notification.2016-06-21-17.00.html | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2016/nova_notification.2016-06-21-17.00.txt | 17:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2016/nova_notification.2016-06-21-17.00.log.html | 17:32 |
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