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| nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 14:00 |
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| nikhil | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 14:00:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:01 |
| kairat | o/ | 14:01 |
| bpoulos | o/ | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | welcome | 14:01 |
| nikhil | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
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| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | hmm-m should add o/ recognition to meetbot and make it adding summary of attendees based on that ;) | 14:01 |
| croelandt | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil | thanks for populating the agenda with interesting items | 14:02 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: my pleasure | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | 0/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil | We'd have a full meeting today, so may be small time for open discussion. But the items looks new and good. | 14:02 |
| nikhil | Let's get started | 14:02 |
| nikhil | #topic Updates | 14:03 |
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| nikhil | #info Glare updates ( mfedosin ) | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | so... | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | last two days we have been focused on several items | 14:03 |
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| mfedosin | 1. updating the spec, based on ppl comments | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | we added several new descriptions there and fixed typos | 14:04 |
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| mfedosin | the last version is on review | 14:04 |
| nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ Glare API spec | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: thanks | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | 2. we started prepare our code for review | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | we found several things that we want to fix before | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: the latest you mean :P | 14:05 |
| kairat | )) | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | jokke_: I hope | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | :) | 14:05 |
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| nikhil | yep, glare API is to reach stable state by newton-3 | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | so, code updates are more code refactoring | 14:06 |
| nikhil | then evolve slowly | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | and also we defined the set of patch sets for review | 14:06 |
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| mfedosin | there will be 7 commits | 14:06 |
| sabari | o/ (made it!) | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: ref 2. Please lets start reviewing those patches even if you have known bug you're going to fix ... time is flying and if we postpone the reviews until you think it's perfect, we are releasing Ocata before the reviews are done ;) | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | Lets all get used to that we need to start reviewing Glare code as well | 14:07 |
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| kairat | mfedosin, doc is here | 14:07 |
| kairat | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u2qNFHycEAP-pgkbPTm2mFLrhhSSkyRtIrFVfssZ1WY/edit | 14:07 |
| kairat | sorry, wrong link | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | kairat: it's inner document | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | Simple DB | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | Objects infrastructure | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | Base AT + store_api | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | Engine + Engine infra | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | API | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | Middlewares | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | Test AT + functional tests | 14:08 |
| nikhil | jokke_: well said. indeed the point I keep making, let's iterative develop upstream. | 14:08 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: jokke_ absolutely agree | 14:08 |
| nikhil | I think I need to sync with interested parties soon | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | next week they will be published 100% | 14:09 |
| nikhil | I have taken the time to think thoroughly , all the problems that we may face. (that doesn't include code reviews.) | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | also, we got some feedback from Heat team - they promised to review the spec | 14:09 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: nice! | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | murano as well | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | so, next week we'll start developing in upstream | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | sorry for delay | 14:11 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Good work mfedosin & co. | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: I think it's more problem for you than for most of us | 14:11 |
| nikhil | == sigmavirus24 | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | thanks :) | 14:12 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: should we move to nova updates? | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | also we're working hard on tests | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | big update will be able tomorrow | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | woohoo! | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | thanks Ilya Menkov and Darja Shakray :) | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | yeah, let's go to Nova | 14:13 |
| nikhil | #info Nova v1, v2 updates ( mfedosin ) | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | there are good news ;) | 14:13 |
| nikhil | indeed | 14:13 |
| mfedosin | this happened! | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | I think there is the best news of Glance history! | 14:13 |
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| kairat | +100500 | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | xen is still on review | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | but sudipto is working on it | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | and I believe it will be merged soon | 14:14 |
| mfedosin | all tests pass | 14:14 |
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| mfedosin | And Jay Pipes rejoiced yesterday | 14:15 |
| nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/321551 default to using glance v2 | 14:15 |
| mfedosin | I want to discuss next steps in this adoption | 14:16 |
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| mfedosin | but it's better to do it in next topics | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | and based on the mailing list discussion the expectation is that Images API v1 is deprecated ... We can finally do it!!! | 14:16 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: want to move on to next topic ? | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | nikhil let's move on :) | 14:17 |
| nikhil | #topic Announcements | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:17 | |
| mfedosin | we have a lot to discuss today | 14:17 |
| nikhil | So, only one announcement today | 14:17 |
| nikhil | #info Glance virtual midcycle is next week | 14:18 |
| nikhil | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096180.html for more info | 14:18 |
| nikhil | etherpad will be out soon | 14:18 |
| nikhil | I have been given some time preferences already | 14:18 |
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| nikhil | so as per FIFO protocol, I will give them a preference for the topic they want to discuss earlier, later, etc. | 14:19 |
| nikhil | #info and next week's meeting is cancelled. | 14:20 |
| nikhil | So, please reach out to me or on ML for any questions that come up. | 14:20 |
| nikhil | moving on. | 14:20 |
| nikhil | #topic At what stage should we make the glance_store tests. Un-experimental/voting. (Bunting) | 14:20 |
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| bunting | Its me | 14:20 |
| nikhil | bunting: please go ahead | 14:20 |
| bunting | So the glance_store functional tests are nearly ready, once the infra thing lands I can test them | 14:21 |
| bunting | I was just wondering what the process of moving from experimental non voting is | 14:21 |
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| nikhil | I thought only the plumbing of the tests was done? | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | bunting: effectively when the jobs have been running for a while and are deemed stable, it's ok to turn them voting | 14:22 |
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| bunting | nikhil: I don't understand what you mean | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | bunting: if there is tests suites for them, they should not be experimental for too long but lets not rush it | 14:23 |
| nikhil | for example, I saw test only for swift store. are there plans for single vs. multi tenant separation? | 14:23 |
| bunting | jokke_: So we should make them non-expermiental in that case | 14:23 |
| jokke_ | bunting: what's current test coverage we have there? | 14:23 |
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| nikhil | bunting: I am asking along the same lines of what jokke_ said above | 14:24 |
| nikhil | converage, separation of test cases (single tenant vs multi -- swift backend) | 14:24 |
| nikhil | then let's think of other stores | 14:24 |
| bunting | Pretty small, thats why I was wondering do we want to run them on every job as we grow them? Or just when someone uses "check experimenal" | 14:24 |
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| jokke_ | bunting: in that case we should not take up infra resources to run them on every commit, yet | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | we should have decent coverage before we start doing that | 14:25 |
| bunting | Okay, works for me, just didn't really know how this stuff works out | 14:25 |
| nikhil | I also want to add that we need to have separate tests for each driver type. (some will be experimental and some won't) | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: I may disagree | 14:26 |
| nikhil | jokke_: on what particularly? | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: we should need the 3rd party CI set up when the base suite is working, but infra will never be able to accommodate functional or integration tests for all the drivers | 14:27 |
| nikhil | sure | 14:27 |
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| jokke_ | so lets take one step at the time and worry about the driver suites after the base lib is covered and we can start gating on it ;) | 14:28 |
| nikhil | jokke_: I am saying that if we've test for say swift single tenant (non-experimental), multi (experimental), ceph (non-experimental), filesystem (non-experimental), then we can run the expriemental one on case by case basis. | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: ah ... that makes sense | 14:29 |
| nikhil | cool | 14:29 |
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| bunting | Also it means if you only have a certain store to test loacally you could just use that | 14:29 |
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| bunting | Rather than having to run the all | 14:29 |
| nikhil | ++ | 14:29 |
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| bunting | I think you can probably move on now | 14:30 |
| nikhil | cool | 14:30 |
| nikhil | #topic Glance v2 integration in Horizon (robcresswell, tsufiev, mfedosin) | 14:30 |
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| nikhil | robcresswell: hello | 14:30 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 14:30 |
| tsufiev | and hello again :) | 14:30 |
| nikhil | :) | 14:30 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev wanted to talk this one through I think | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | and hi | 14:30 |
| tsufiev | okay | 14:31 |
| * nikhil not sure who's supposed to talk, and picked the first nick | 14:31 | |
| nikhil | !ping | 14:31 |
| openstack | pong | 14:31 |
| tsufiev | yesterday on a horizon meeting we discussed the Horizon's transition to Glance V2 | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | :o | 14:31 |
| * nikhil guesses copy-from | 14:32 | |
| tsufiev | and a famous copy-from feature that Horizon users are very, very fond of | 14:32 |
| tsufiev | seriously | 14:32 |
| * jokke_ haz been told for ~year that horizon is supporting Images API v2 already | 14:32 | |
| jokke_ | ah | 14:32 |
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| tsufiev | jokke_, who has been telling you that? | 14:32 |
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| tsufiev | also I heard from kairat that technically speaking, copy-from is not big problem implementing in Glance V2 | 14:33 |
| kairat | glanceclient | 14:33 |
| tsufiev | yep | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | tsufiev: can't quote anyone by name ... pretty much as long as the Nova move have been on the table for our priority, the consensus has been that Nova is the absolute last depending on v1 | 14:33 |
| mfedosin | tsufiev: yeah, on client side | 14:33 |
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| mfedosin | jokke_: we discussed on the summit - also we have Heat and Horizon | 14:34 |
| tsufiev | implementing it on clientside is marginally better than Horizon doing the same thing on server-side, but still is better | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | tsufiev: I've been proposing that every now and then for quite a while and got pushback for it every single time | 14:34 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: kairat tsufiev : let me voice this proposal (and not issue) with a concerning tone | 14:34 |
| mfedosin | and it turned out that Murano as well - and they need copy-from to comlete v2 adoption | 14:34 |
| nikhil | I would encourage all those who think this is even a remotely good idea to join us for a DefCore sync/session sometime. | 14:35 |
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| kairat | hm, how it is related to defcore? | 14:35 |
| tsufiev | nikhil, even if it's done inside glanceclient? | 14:35 |
| nikhil | it affects end users | 14:35 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: if it's done in glance client | 14:35 |
| nikhil | tsufiev: yep | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: defcore really does not care about the end user | 14:36 |
| nikhil | whatever happens for the end-users define adoption of an API | 14:36 |
| nikhil | jokke_: let me finish | 14:36 |
| nikhil | if a particular way is supported by official project then it creates a contract to not break the API (CLI is to be maintained for at least 2 years after deprecation) | 14:37 |
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| nikhil | so, if we implement copy-from the new import refactored API | 14:37 |
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| nikhil | the 'old way' and the 'new way' of copy-from will need to be maintained | 14:37 |
| kairat | nikhil, why do we need to change api to support that feature? | 14:38 |
| kairat | it can be done in shell, iiuc | 14:38 |
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| nikhil | kairat: that's why I am asking you to join the DefCore sessions | 14:38 |
| nikhil | 'why' is not a irc conversations to be done in 10 mins :) | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: since when defcore has had anything to say about the client? Only thing what is their concern is the API interoperability between the clouds and their tests are based on tempest that does not use native clients | 14:38 |
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| jokke_ | if there is client X that does Y and Z offline and then upload image via Images API without needing any special tweaks to that API, that should not be defcores business by the slightest | 14:40 |
| nikhil | jokke_: DefCore is tied to endusers, and client side development that include OSC is tied to these conversations as well. Overall, this is focussed around getting a single maintainable API for end users and client that hides all the details for the user and that needs to be OSC. However, osc is not the only client when defcore thinks of adoption. | 14:40 |
| nikhil | so, we need to be consistent in our development, approach, documentation and support for features. | 14:41 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: we changed glance api interface countless times and there were no concerns from defcore | 14:41 |
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| nikhil | because we don't have a API for defcore | 14:41 |
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| nikhil | the API and development around it needs to be here http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/image-import/image-import-refactor.html | 14:42 |
| nikhil | people are more than welcome to join the conversations and give their input | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | tsufiev, mfedosin, nikhil: lets solve this issue ... after the meeting I fork python-glanceclient, we can put the functionality in there and who sees it filling their need, can feel free to use it ;) | 14:43 |
| kairat | heh | 14:43 |
| nikhil | yes, you are free to create a wrapper on top of glaceclient to implement copy-from | 14:43 |
| kairat | nikhil, it will be synchronous copy-from | 14:43 |
| kairat | it is a new feature | 14:43 |
| mfedosin | jokke_: :D +1 | 14:43 |
| kairat | not replacement of image import | 14:44 |
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| nikhil | kairat: that sort of copy-from has a different small use case | 14:44 |
| kairat | does every new feature should be approved with defcore? | 14:44 |
| sabari | IMO, Horizon is not supposed to be do heavy lifting ops like copy-from (even if that's implemented on the client). | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | kairat: pass-thru copy-from ;) | 14:44 |
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| mfedosin | sabari they fixed it | 14:44 |
| tsufiev | jokke_, I like the proposal :) | 14:44 |
| kairat | if it will be enough for horizon to move to v2 | 14:45 |
| kairat | let's do it | 14:45 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, seems not everything is lost here | 14:45 |
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| nikhil | tsufiev: let add add, this will break large scale clouds | 14:45 |
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| robcresswell | It seems we are yet to get a blessing from nikhil :) | 14:45 |
| nikhil | kairat: copy-from is actually useful for asynchronous data transfer for large scale public clouds. that's why it's very important to be part of glance import call. | 14:45 |
| sabari | mfedosin i am saying even if glanceclient has this feature, I wouldn't recommend horizon using it | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | robcresswell: beauty of opensource :P | 14:46 |
| nikhil | robcresswell: no, that's not what I meant | 14:46 |
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| robcresswell | If we must follow the defcore route, when would be the next opportunity to discuss this? | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | sabari: I do agree ... I think it would be even better if it was implemented in js, so that the web client would do it ;) | 14:46 |
| nikhil | robcresswell: you are on your own, I may come screaming for not using standard way of implementation. I am not encouraing you to do this, just letting you know that this approach is equivalent to implementing on horizon side. | 14:46 |
| tsufiev | jokke_, that's not that simple | 14:47 |
| mfedosin | sabari now it's okay to upload big images with Horizon, because it doesn't store the data on controller (thanks CORS and tsufiev) | 14:47 |
| tsufiev | jokke_, we would need NodeJS runtime to do that kind of stuff - piping streams | 14:47 |
| mfedosin | the same story with copy-from | 14:47 |
| kairat | so we can create a spec for this feature | 14:47 |
| kairat | and let users decide if they need syncronous copy-from | 14:48 |
| robcresswell | nikhil: Right, thats why I'm asking how you'd like us to proceed addressing it in a standard way | 14:48 |
| sabari | mfedosin: that's different from copy-from because the Horizon has to spawn a thread to keep uploading | 14:48 |
| tsufiev | mfedosin, but, according to people who are actually using Horizon on large scale clouds, local image upload is almost never used there | 14:48 |
| nikhil | robcresswell: let me re-emphasize the importance of scale here. If a large scale public cloud provider comes screaming as copy-from is doing streaming behind the scenes, then we've a issue in glance. | 14:48 |
| tsufiev | sabari, Horizon server isn't involved at all whey you're using CORS | 14:49 |
| nikhil | robcresswell: the very fact the import conversation is happening is because it involves, defcore, large ops, end users and developers who represent sub set of these domins. | 14:49 |
| tsufiev | it's the browser which does all the job | 14:49 |
| sabari | tsufiev: right, but for that you don't need this funtionality on the glanceclient right, you are free to do even now, righ ? | 14:49 |
| tsufiev | still you need to download the image iso to the workstation with browser, which isn't quite convenient as using an image url | 14:49 |
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| robcresswell | nikhil: I'm really confused by what argument you're attempting to have with me here. I've asked twice how you'd like us to proceed with working with defcore, and when would be a suitable time to discuss doing this in a standard way :) | 14:49 |
| nikhil | robcresswell: the right way would be to push for copy-from support in glance import refactor in newton and use that starting ocata. I can add your name to the list for notification for the next sync. | 14:50 |
| nikhil | robcresswell: sorry, that was added input . not argument. | 14:50 |
| nikhil | robcresswell: mostly because I see a lot of chatter and messages could get lost. | 14:50 |
| tsufiev | sabari, for CORS? no, we don't, it's already there | 14:50 |
| robcresswell | nikhil: Right, that would be very useful, then we can join the discussion from there | 14:51 |
| tsufiev | but again, CORS is not a solution suitable for everyone | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | tsufiev: ++ | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | tsufiev: but at least it is current workaround for those who needs the functionality | 14:52 |
| sabari | tsufiev: i believe it's for local file upload. But not for copy-from..right ? | 14:52 |
| tsufiev | yes, kind of | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | then it's matter of priorisation and deciding which is more important | 14:52 |
| tsufiev | sabari, exactly | 14:52 |
| nikhil | robcresswell: on a side-note, we do want to start deprecating glanceclient soon after osc support is complete. but that's a separate conversations. so, we can discuss all these things further with wider audience. | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: so osc has nothing to do with horizon use. AFAIK horizon does not call the python-glanceclient over the shell cli interface | 14:53 |
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| jokke_ | or does it? | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | :o | 14:53 |
| robcresswell | nikhil: I'm okay to move forward without this option, but if we get people knocking on Horizons door asking for it, they will only end up being directed here, which is why we wanted to discuss before that happens :) | 14:53 |
| kairat | ++ to jokke_ | 14:53 |
| kairat | untill openstack sdk is not ready | 14:53 |
| kairat | does it worth to create a spec about that | 14:53 |
| kairat | to start a discussion? | 14:53 |
| nikhil | jokke_: sure, I am talking general things about not adding support to glanceclient. | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | kairat: and the bikeshedding done, so I'd say earliest arouns 2020 | 14:54 |
| kairat | WDYT? | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | kairat: I think we can | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | and get feddback from DefCore if it's required | 14:54 |
| nikhil | robcresswell: you are welcome to direct them here | 14:54 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil: as said multiple times, we need to provide the support to access our API because osc consumes the functionality to their cli implementation vial our python client | 14:55 |
| nikhil | robcresswell: as a part of defcore conversations (which are complex, involve lots of teams/stakeholders) I have attempted to gather feedback on what are the requirements. | 14:55 |
| briancurtin | jokke_: OSC will likely soon work through openstacksdk, fyi | 14:55 |
| nikhil | jokke_: that approach is planned to go away | 14:55 |
| briancurtin | (specifically for glance, i mean) | 14:55 |
| nikhil | == briancurtin | 14:55 |
| nikhil | through openstacksdk and implement some other logic that may not exist in sdk (say for import) | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | briancurtin: oh cool, so soon enough we don't need to worry about the client at all? | 14:56 |
| nikhil | jokke_: exactly | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | I thought the sdk is not even close to up to speed with our API yet, but nice if that's the case | 14:56 |
| mfedosin | is there any code on review? | 14:57 |
| nikhil | we've exhausted the meeting time on this | 14:57 |
| robcresswell | nikhil: Fair enough. If you could add my name to the notifications for the next sync on this, that would be great | 14:57 |
| kairat | oops | 14:57 |
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| nikhil | so sorry for not going to other mfedosin 's topics :) | 14:57 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: np | 14:57 |
| mfedosin | next time | 14:57 |
| nikhil | robcresswell: absolutely, I am trying to huddle as many people as possibly practical :) | 14:58 |
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| robcresswell | sorry for taking your time mfedosin :) | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | I just wanted to say, that we need some kind of docs | 14:58 |
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| mfedosin | that describe transition from v1 to v2 | 14:58 |
| nikhil | #topic open discussion | 14:58 |
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| tsufiev | mfedosin, +++ | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | I may start doing this, but I need support | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | maybe from rosmaita | 14:59 |
| tsufiev | that's exaclty what I've been asking for :) | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: iirc that has been discussed since the release of p-gc 1.0.0 ... no-one has just written them ;) | 14:59 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: that's what the api-ref docs are for | 14:59 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: what you are asking looks more like of user story to me | 14:59 |
| mfedosin | they don't expose some hidden v1 features | 14:59 |
| nikhil | user story, operator story, etc | 14:59 |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: let's sync later today | 14:59 |
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| jokke_ | Brian is alive! :) | 15:00 |
| mfedosin | rosmaita: great! thanks | 15:00 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: yep, let's sync later today. | 15:00 |
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| nikhil | We're officially out of time. | 15:00 |
| nikhil | Thanks all for joining. | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | yup, thanks all! | 15:00 |
| nikhil | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_: alive but insufficiently caffeinated | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 15:00:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-06-09-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-06-09-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-06-09-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| sjmc7 | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 15:01:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sjmc7. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
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| sjmc7 | morning all | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:02 |
| lei-zh | o/ | 15:02 |
| lei-zh | we are on holiday:) | 15:02 |
| sjmc7 | ah, good for you! we’ll keep this short :) | 15:02 |
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| sjmc7 | travis is still on his eternal vacation | 15:02 |
| sjmc7 | so the very short agenda is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | give it one more minute in case there are stragglers | 15:03 |
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| sjmc7 | ok… | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | #topic Elasticsearch 1.x/2.x support | 15:04 |
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| sjmc7 | we merged a change in CI to switch to es-2.x last week, which promply broke all tests | 15:04 |
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| sjmc7 | we rolled back to 1.7 and i put up three reviews to fix the issues it uncovered, the last of which is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325698/ | 15:05 |
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| sjmc7 | in doing those patches though, it became apparent we need to run CI against both versions if we support both | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | as voting jobs | 15:05 |
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| sjmc7 | so the question is whether we need to support both, or whether we can draw a line in the sand given that E-S 2.x will be more than a year old by Newton | 15:06 |
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| robcresswell | Got any numbers on adoption? Sorry, just hijacking your meeting sjmc7 :) | 15:06 |
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| sjmc7 | for es-2? | 15:07 |
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| robcresswell | As in, E-S usage. That might help make an easier decision. I imagine people are using it for other things outside searchlight, and will stick with what they have/know, right? | 15:07 |
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| sjmc7 | no, but we suspect it’s higher than for other similar (database like) systems because of the way it’s packaged and released | 15:07 |
| robcresswell | yeah | 15:07 |
| robcresswell | Ah, okay | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | people don’t rely on debian-packaged releases | 15:07 |
| sjmc7 | elastic.co manage packages themselves and strongly encourage people to upgrade | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | logstash etc support 2.x | 15:08 |
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| sjmc7 | but yeah, i’ll make a note to ask folks that are interested in searchlight whether that would be a problem | 15:08 |
| robcresswell | Given that you're pre-1.0, perhaps it makes sense to just do 1.0 on latest and greatest, in that case? If you release searchlight formally with 1.x support, that may haunt you. | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. the changes are not that great, but some of the ones i found were pretty subtle | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | ok. maybe a mailing list message first and then can make the call | 15:09 |
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| robcresswell | Sounds like a good shout | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | but yeah, maybe since we are pre 1.0 this would be the opportunity to drop it | 15:10 |
| rosmaita | robcresswell: +1 | 15:10 |
| rosmaita | sjmc7: +1 | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | +1s all round! | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | ok, moving on, and out of order since rob’s here | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | #topic UI reviews | 15:11 |
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| sjmc7 | we’ve got a bit of an issue since none of the SL cores aside from travis know much angular :) | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | i guess this must be affecting other services too though | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | so typically are there horizon cores that moonlight on eg sahara or designate or whatever? | 15:12 |
| robcresswell | There's a mix, often people drift away and work on other projects and their UIs. | 15:12 |
| robcresswell | Right now we dont have enough cores to help the UIs unless they ask specifically for a review/help | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | no, and i wouldn’t expcet that - that was the explicit reason for having projects move out of core | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | the problem for me at least is that for the old django stuff it was no problem to review, but being a dinosaur i’ve struggled to keep up with the javascript rebellion | 15:14 |
| robcresswell | Indeed. But if there's any difficulty or complexity, we're around to help. I'm interested in searchlight anyway, and my angular is adequate. | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | you are too modest! | 15:14 |
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| robcresswell | haha | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | ok, will maybe ask for a some quick input on a couple of patches at least until travis is back | 15:15 |
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| robcresswell | Man, that guy is just always on holiday | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, it’s like he’s french or something | 15:15 |
| robcresswell | hahaha | 15:15 |
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| sjmc7 | ok, moving on | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | #topic Remaining big features/changes | 15:16 |
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| sjmc7 | last release we got in trouble with ourselves because we were making big changes up to milestone-3 | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | so we don’t want to do that again | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | i only know of one big feature we’re looking at, and that’s the publishing stuff lei-zh has been pushing | 15:16 |
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| sjmc7 | lei-zh: have you been able to spend any time prototyping that? | 15:17 |
| lei-zh | I just start on doing it, perhaps still need some time | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | sure. there’s no immediate rush | 15:18 |
| lei-zh | I hope to put out a prototype soon | 15:18 |
| sjmc7 | n-2 isn’t for a while. if there’s any help we can give though, please ask | 15:18 |
| lei-zh | maybe just clone a repo and do something on that | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | ok. that was all i had for topics | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | @topic Open discussion | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | oops | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | #topic Open discussion | 15:19 |
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| sjmc7 | if anyone’s got anything they’re itching to bring up, you’ve got 40 minutes. otherwise will let folks get back to work / vacation | 15:20 |
| lei-zh | so a question about the pipeline | 15:20 |
| sjmc7 | sure | 15:20 |
| lei-zh | do we need to make transformers configurable | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | transformers being the serialization? | 15:21 |
| lei-zh | yes, give people freedom to configure serialization, and maybe other transformers | 15:22 |
| lei-zh | I'm not sure what's the meaning of that | 15:22 |
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| sjmc7 | what kind of configuration were you thinking? | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | we haven’t done that already because it then creates problems for consumers; you have to know how the system’s configured in order to use it | 15:22 |
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| lei-zh | yes, that makes things complicated | 15:23 |
| lei-zh | I just wonder if this senario useful | 15:23 |
| sjmc7 | were you hoping to add configuration? | 15:23 |
| lei-zh | I'm not sure if we need this use case, like by configuring transformers, can produce different dataset from one kind of notification | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | in a sense that’s why we’ve got our own listener rather than adding an output publisher to ceilometer | 15:25 |
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| sjmc7 | i can’t see a use case right now, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be one. i would like it ultimately if the various service notificaitons instead became more standardized | 15:26 |
| lei-zh | yes, we can gradually do that, first start from configuring publishers | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, i think that might be the way to do it. if there’s a publisher for zaqar it can potentially change things, and the e-s publisher will add fields for role-based access | 15:28 |
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| lei-zh | that's a good idea | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | IMO the data going into publishers needs to be a documented and static structure otherwise it makes it hard to know what you will get | 15:29 |
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| lei-zh | agree, that's what I'm towards : ) | 15:30 |
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| lei-zh | ok, my question is done | 15:30 |
| sjmc7 | ok. anything else? | 15:30 |
| sjmc7 | seems like everyone’s on vacation today :) | 15:30 |
| lei-zh | yes, it's chinese danwu festival | 15:31 |
| * david-lyle was late | 15:31 | |
| lei-zh | duanwu | 15:31 |
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| rosmaita | let's all vote ourselves raises and call it a day | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | see me after class, Lyle | 15:31 |
| lei-zh | haha | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | haha, good plan! | 15:31 |
| david-lyle | yes sire | 15:31 |
| david-lyle | *sir | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | hahaha | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | sire is fine. | 15:31 |
| david-lyle | little too much title there | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | did you have anything to add, other than unearned titles? | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | no, I'm useless | 15:32 |
| sjmc7 | and on that note... | 15:32 |
| sjmc7 | thanks all! | 15:32 |
| RickA-HP | bye | 15:32 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 15:32 |
| lei-zh | bye | 15:32 |
| sjmc7 | #endmeeting | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 15:32:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-06-09-15.01.html | 15:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-06-09-15.01.txt | 15:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-06-09-15.01.log.html | 15:33 |
| robcresswell | thanks sjmc7 | 15:33 |
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| mhayden | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 16:03:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mhayden. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Ansible)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' | 16:03 |
| mhayden | #topic Rollcall & agenda | 16:03 |
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| palendae | o/ | 16:03 |
| * mhayden stumbles into the room | 16:03 | |
| eil397 | o/ | 16:04 |
| thorst | o/ | 16:04 |
| andymccr | o/ | 16:04 |
| adreznec | o/ | 16:04 |
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| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 16:04 |
| ametts | o/ | 16:04 |
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| d34dh0r53 | in another meeting so lurking | 16:04 |
| spotz | \o\ | 16:05 |
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| * mhayden gives it a minute or two more since i started late | 16:05 | |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 16:06 |
| mhayden | jmccrory: are you around? | 16:06 |
| v1k0d3n | o/ | 16:06 |
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| mhayden | okay, let's roll | 16:07 |
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| mhayden | #topic Review action items | 16:07 |
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| mhayden | #link Last week's meeting log -> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-06-02-15.59.html | 16:07 |
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| mhayden | first two actions are about the mid-cycle -- we can get to those in a second | 16:08 |
| mhayden | next was asettle and andymccr to send something to the ML about the testing repository | 16:08 |
| * mhayden remembers seeing that in his inbox | 16:08 | |
| mhayden | #link andymccr's repository -> https://github.com/andymcc/openstack-ansible-testing-core | 16:09 |
| mhayden | asettle / andymccr: any updates there? | 16:09 |
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| andymccr | mhayden: mail was sent! | 16:09 |
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| asettle | woah don't look at me aye. I edited. It got sent. Ta daaaa | 16:09 |
| asettle | :p | 16:09 |
| mhayden | okay, so that one is still open -- has anyone had a chance to look over it yet? | 16:09 |
| mhayden | it's still in my queue | 16:09 |
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| mhayden | #action Everyone review andymccr's email to see how we can help move that along | 16:10 |
| andymccr | feel free to ping me if you have questions/feedback | 16:10 |
| andymccr | im keen to gather, so far evrardjp has given some - which ive noted (in the email) | 16:10 |
| mhayden | Next is reviewing phil_h's Astara etherpad | 16:11 |
| mhayden | #link phil_h's Astara etherpad -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/astara-openstack-ansible | 16:11 |
| mhayden | phil_h: looks like you got a good response in there! | 16:11 |
| phil_h | I hope everyone has taken a look | 16:11 |
| mhayden | speak now or forever hold your peace | 16:11 |
| phil_h | We have tried to answer everyones questions | 16:12 |
| mhayden | or at least hold your piece until the spec comes up | 16:12 |
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| phil_h | lol | 16:12 |
| mhayden | *peace | 16:12 |
| mhayden | :) | 16:12 |
| mhayden | anything else you need from us, phil_h? | 16:12 |
| phil_h | I don't think so | 16:12 |
| mhayden | do you have enough to begin work on the spec? | 16:12 |
| phil_h | I am looking at code and we will get a spec written | 16:12 |
| mhayden | swee | 16:12 |
| mhayden | t | 16:12 |
| phil_h | spec is next | 16:13 |
| mhayden | #action phil_h to start drafting the Astara spec soon | 16:13 |
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| mhayden | next action item is andymccr | 16:13 |
| mhayden | errr | 16:13 |
| phil_h | I will miss the next two meetings | 16:13 |
| mhayden | next action item is antonym's Xen spec -- which actually merged today! | 16:13 |
| mhayden | phil_h: we will miss you sir | 16:13 |
| mhayden | antonym: nice going on the spec | 16:13 |
| antonym | mhayden: thanks :) | 16:14 |
| mhayden | anything you need from us on the rest, antonym? | 16:14 |
| antonym | mainly just going to track how the multi os stuff is looking and try and replicate how that all looks for xen | 16:14 |
| antonym | i think the nova stuff was still in flight | 16:14 |
| mhayden | quite a few of us have hacked on the multi-os stuff, so we will be glad to help point you in the right direction for things | 16:15 |
| antonym | just want to align it with how it looks for the other OS types | 16:15 |
| antonym | cool, i'm sure i'll be bugging some of you all | 16:15 |
| mhayden | sounds good | 16:15 |
| mhayden | #action antonym to get started on adding Xen support using the multi-os framework | 16:15 |
| mhayden | next up, odyssey4me was working on Newton-1 tags and next tags for Liberty/Mitaka | 16:16 |
| mhayden | jenkins appears to be unhappy about some things in the newton-1 tag -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325252/ | 16:16 |
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| mhayden | but the 12.0.14 and 13.1.2 releases did go out | 16:17 |
| mhayden | odyssey4me: if you need a hand, let us know! | 16:17 |
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| mhayden | last item was evrardjp's review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322249/ | 16:17 |
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| mhayden | which merged | 16:17 |
| mhayden | hooray! | 16:17 |
| andymccr | woo! | 16:17 |
| mhayden | man this agenda is easy | 16:18 |
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| andymccr | its a commentary on how skilled you are mhayden | 16:18 |
| mhayden | #topic Topics for Discussion | 16:18 |
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| mhayden | first up, the mid-cycle! | 16:18 |
| mhayden | cue the fanfare | 16:18 |
| mhayden | so automagically had a date for hosting at comcast, but he's out of the office at that time :( | 16:18 |
| mhayden | i was able to get three dates for hosting at Rackspace's HQ in San Antonio, TX | 16:19 |
| * mhayden digs in email | 16:19 | |
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| asettle | Nice, nice | 16:19 |
| mhayden | here are the options: | 16:19 |
| mhayden | 1) Aug 10-12 | 16:19 |
| mhayden | 2) Aug 22-26 | 16:19 |
| mhayden | 3) Aug 29 - Sep 2 | 16:19 |
| mhayden | (apologies to the UK folks who are confused by this date format) :) | 16:19 |
| spotz | mhayden: So we can have it in Philly but automagically wouldn't be there?:) | 16:19 |
| mhayden | automagically said that Aug 29-Sep2 won't work for him | 16:20 |
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| mhayden | spotz: we could order some philly cheesesteak sandwiches to make it feel more like PA | 16:20 |
| mhayden | does anyone have any strong feelings on these dates? | 16:20 |
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| mhayden | i'm good with #1 + #2, but #3 is not preferred | 16:20 |
| asettle | Uhhhh no strong feelings? | 16:21 |
| spotz | I'd say throw out #3 | 16:21 |
| mhayden | does anyone else wanna strike #3? | 16:21 |
| spotz | And I guess comcast is out as an option too | 16:21 |
| stevelle | +1, #3 is not great for me | 16:21 |
| mhayden | okay, so we could probably toss #3 | 16:21 |
| mhayden | Aug 10-12 is Wed-Fri | 16:22 |
| spotz | yeah if 2 cores can't make it it's no bueno | 16:22 |
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| mhayden | Aug 22-26 is Mon-Fri | 16:22 |
| mhayden | Aug 22-26 conflicts with LinuxCon (Toronto) | 16:22 |
| spotz | I might be out 8/12 but you don't need me there | 16:22 |
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| asettle | You don't need me either but I'll gate crash for fun | 16:23 |
| mhayden | any opinions from the other core folks? d34dh0r53 jmccrory andymccr (forgetting a few here) | 16:23 |
| spotz | cloudnull - but he's still on vaca | 16:24 |
| mhayden | August in san antonio is a little toasty, so be prepared | 16:24 |
| d34dh0r53 | 1 or 2 | 16:24 |
| mhayden | we can take this to the ML to decide, but i need to get back with my room booking person fairly soon :) | 16:24 |
| mhayden | #action mhayden to send an email to the ML about choosing between Aug 10-12 or something during Aug 22-26 | 16:25 |
| * mhayden is still working on an executive sponsor on this end for budget (food and such) | 16:25 | |
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| mhayden | and we need funds for d34dh0r53's security detail | 16:25 |
| mhayden | :) | 16:25 |
| mrhillsman | 8/23 and 8/24 openstack days east | 16:25 |
| mhayden | ah, good catch mrhillsman | 16:26 |
| spotz | So looks like option 1 by default? | 16:26 |
| mhayden | so it sounds like Aug 10-12 may be the preferred date -- i'll get something out to the ML to verify | 16:26 |
| mhayden | we can work on agendas and stuff soon, i'm sure, but i'll put that ball in odyssey4me's court ;) | 16:26 |
| spotz | Party at mhayden's house! | 16:26 |
| mhayden | are we good on mid-cycles for the moment? | 16:26 |
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| mhayden | spotz: that's possible | 16:26 |
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| mhayden | okay, next topics for discussion | 16:27 |
| mhayden | we already got updates from andymccr, phil_h, and andymccr | 16:27 |
| mhayden | we need an update on pip_lockdown from automagically, but he's not here | 16:27 |
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| mhayden | it looked to be moving well in reviews | 16:28 |
| asettle | I can randomly talk about pips and lockdowns if that suits? :p | 16:28 |
| mhayden | it looked like there were maybe 3-4 reviews left that jmccrory was cleaning up | 16:28 |
| mhayden | i guess we can table that for now | 16:28 |
| mhayden | oh silly me, i haven't been changing the topic | 16:28 |
| mhayden | #topic ppc64le mirror issue for mariadb (thorst and adreznec) | 16:29 |
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| mhayden | thorst / adreznec: you have the mic! :) | 16:29 |
| thorst | So we're testing out on ppc64le and the current repos point to x86 | 16:29 |
| adreznec | Yeah, so the issue here is that some of the package repos used don't support ppc64le for things like mariadb and percona | 16:29 |
| mhayden | are we talking about the upstream mariadb/percona repos or something else? | 16:30 |
| adreznec | Those packages do exist in the upstream repo for Xenial from Canonical/Ubuntu directly, but that's not where we're point today | 16:30 |
| adreznec | Yeah, like https://mirror.rackspace.com/mariadb/repo/10.0/ubuntu/ | 16:30 |
| adreznec | Containers amd64/i386 only | 16:30 |
| adreznec | *Contains | 16:30 |
| mhayden | oh, i see what you're saying | 16:30 |
| mhayden | so they're missing from the rackspace repository? | 16:31 |
| mhayden | but they're in other repositories? | 16:31 |
| adreznec | Yep basically | 16:31 |
| mhayden | so it sounds like we need to chat with the rackspace mirror maintainers to get that added | 16:31 |
| adreznec | So we either need to figure out how to build them there or be able to point elsewhere, I guess? | 16:31 |
| mhayden | i imagine they filter it out to save bandwidth/disk space | 16:31 |
| adreznec | Yeah I thought that might be the case | 16:31 |
| mhayden | adreznec: i'd imagine we can temporarily check for ppc and use a different mirror (short term) | 16:32 |
| stevelle | the point elsewhere should be possible today | 16:32 |
| mhayden | and get the rackspace mirrors fixed | 16:32 |
| mhayden | can i get a racker to volunteer to reach out to the mirror team? :) | 16:32 |
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| thorst | mhayden: Yeah, that's what we're doing for now in our tests. I know wangqwu is pointing to another mirror | 16:32 |
| adreznec | Yeah that seems like a reasonable approach. No idea what the turnaround is on that from the repo update side | 16:33 |
| mhayden | the turnaround on the rackspace side shouldn't be big, unless we're short on disk space | 16:33 |
| adreznec | So for things that are pulled from the rackspace repo that should be no problem then | 16:34 |
| mhayden | antonym: would you be able to sync up with the mirror folks about ppc on mirror.rackspace.com? | 16:34 |
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| mhayden | i know you have some ppc work going as well ;) | 16:34 |
| antonym | mhayden: yeah, we can ping them on that | 16:35 |
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| mhayden | antonym: thanks sir | 16:35 |
| adreznec | There are some other things that are pulled from non-Rackspace repos like Percona that points to https://www.percona.com/downloads for the deb | 16:35 |
| mhayden | #action antonym to talk to rackspace's mirror team about getting PPC packages added | 16:35 |
| mhayden | okay, was there anything else on that topic, adreznec / thorst? | 16:35 |
| adreznec | We'll have to work through those and point at alternate repos where needed | 16:35 |
| adreznec | Nope, I think that's it | 16:36 |
| thorst | adreznec: lets sync with kylek3h on the Percona one | 16:36 |
| mhayden | awesome -- thanks for your work on ppc support in OSA! :) | 16:36 |
| kylek3h | adreznec: ok | 16:36 |
| mhayden | #topic Release planning and decisions | 16:36 |
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| adreznec | thorst: Sounds good | 16:36 |
| mhayden | so we talked about 13.1.2 and 12.0.14 going out already | 16:36 |
| mhayden | the last kilo tag (11.2.17) is still in progress | 16:37 |
| mhayden | does anyone have any input on that ag? | 16:37 |
| mhayden | s/ag/tag/ | 16:37 |
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| mhayden | i'm not sure if the appropriate kilo-eol tags have gone out on other projects | 16:37 |
| mhayden | we'll leave that for odyssey4me | 16:37 |
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| mhayden | #topic Open discussion | 16:38 |
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| mhayden | asettle: anything on the docs side you want to update us on ? | 16:38 |
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| asettle | hello! | 16:38 |
| mhayden | (and pardon me for ending with a preposition) | 16:38 |
| asettle | Thanks to everyone contributing to the spec with their thoughts and comments - it has been merged | 16:38 |
| asettle | As of today also, darrenc opened up a PR to begin work on the draft folder for the install guide | 16:39 |
| asettle | Give me two seconds and I'll grab a link | 16:39 |
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| michaelgugino | I'm having some issues getting nova to pass tempest testing on 16.04. It's complaining about a non existent AZ, but no AZ is specified when the tempest test calls the api | 16:39 |
| asettle | This has also been merged | 16:39 |
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| michaelgugino | local tempest testing has shown I don't know how to run tempest testing locally, lol. | 16:39 |
| asettle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327467/ | 16:39 |
| asettle | See here | 16:39 |
| asettle | If you have any questions regarding this, please message myself or Darren | 16:40 |
| michaelgugino | but, if anyone can look at the log output and see if there is anything jumping out at you, I'd appreciate it. | 16:40 |
| asettle | This is visible for a build, but it is not currently available publicly. It is an exact reflect of the current install guide and will just be the platform for all incoming changes | 16:40 |
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| asettle | darrenc will be working on updating this folder to reflect the new ToC for the install guide | 16:40 |
| asettle | Which is super exciting. | 16:41 |
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| asettle | I'll be away form the 13th to the 23rd. Once I return, Darren and I will begin working on some of the smaller intricacies along with mhayden and Travis | 16:41 |
| asettle | Questions, concerns, comments? | 16:41 |
| mhayden | woot | 16:41 |
| asettle | :) | 16:41 |
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| asettle | Hopefully I will also be at the OSA midcycle meetup, so I'll be working on the docs there too! | 16:42 |
| asettle | The deadline for this is Newton :) | 16:42 |
| mhayden | michaelgugino: do you have a review up? and/or tempest output from jenkins? | 16:43 |
| mhayden | asettle: thanks for leading the charge there | 16:43 |
| asettle | mhayden: not a problem. Thanks for being a key reviewer! | 16:43 |
| michaelgugino | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324045/ | 16:43 |
| * mhayden woots | 16:43 | |
| asettle | And thanks to everyone that took the time to review and keep up to date with our changes | 16:43 |
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| mhayden | michaelgugino: looking now -- we can take this over to #openstack-ansible | 16:44 |
| mhayden | anything else? | 16:44 |
| * mhayden starts the timer... | 16:45 | |
| adreznec | Just wanted to drop out here that a thorst, ashana, and I have started picking through the issues with multi-architecture/multi-repo | 16:45 |
| asettle | mhayden: nothing from me, thanks guys | 16:45 |
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| adreznec | I've started documenting the work items/issues out at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-multi-arch-repo | 16:45 |
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| michaelgugino | we need to work out the lxc container create process a little more on xenial | 16:45 |
| michaelgugino | lxcbr0 is not coming up after reboot due to conflicts with lxc-net service | 16:45 |
| asettle | adreznec: if you want any help with documentation, feel free to ping me :) | 16:45 |
| adreznec | asettle: Thanks, will do! | 16:46 |
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| mhayden | #link adreznec put together an etherpad for multiple cpu architectures in OSA -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osa-multi-arch-repo | 16:47 |
| mhayden | anything else? | 16:47 |
| michaelgugino | yes | 16:47 |
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| mhayden | adreznec: can you propose this spec in gerrit so we can iterate on it? | 16:47 |
| michaelgugino | I was thinking we should but a role requirements file in each of the repos, because the meta lists dependencies | 16:47 |
| adreznec | mhayden: Sure, I'll throw it up there for review | 16:48 |
| michaelgugino | this would help people that want to use some of the plays outside of OSA | 16:48 |
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| mhayden | michaelgugino: want to summarize the idea there and get it out to the mL ? | 16:49 |
| michaelgugino | mailing list? | 16:50 |
| mhayden | yeah | 16:50 |
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| michaelgugino | sure, I can do that | 16:51 |
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| mhayden | okay folks, i'll close it up | 16:52 |
| mhayden | thanks for coming! | 16:52 |
| mhayden | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 16:52:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-06-09-16.03.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-06-09-16.03.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-06-09-16.03.log.html | 16:52 |
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| cathy__ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 9 17:01:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:01 |
| cathy__ | hi everyone | 17:01 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:01 |
| iyamahat | hello | 17:01 |
| mohankumar_ | Hi all | 17:01 |
| regXboi | \o/ | 17:01 |
| igordcard | hi | 17:01 |
| LouisF | hi | 17:02 |
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| cathy__ | let's quickly go through the action status | 17:02 |
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| cathy__ | #topic use case status | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "use case status (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:02 | |
| doonhammer | hi | 17:03 |
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| cathy__ | pcarver: have you got a chance to post the required features? | 17:03 |
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| pcarver | cathy__: I haven't been able to get any usable input from our users. I've been asking, but not really getting any response. | 17:04 |
| pcarver | I think folks are just too busy to get anything together for me | 17:05 |
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| cathy__ | pcarver: OK, it will be great to get those from your users since you are closer to the users than most of us | 17:06 |
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| s3wong | hello | 17:06 |
| cathy__ | pcarver: when do you think you can get those? just give us an idea. | 17:06 |
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| cathy__ | igordcard: fsunaval How are your use cases going? | 17:07 |
| fsunaval | cathy__: I will do it by end of day today. | 17:07 |
| cathy__ | fsunaval: great, thanks! | 17:07 |
| scsnow | hi | 17:07 |
| pcarver | cathy__: I really don't have anything other than just saying what features currently exist in Contrail. I've solicited input from a selection of people, but if nobody gives me anything I can't provide anything. | 17:07 |
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| cathy__ | igordcard: how is your use case going? | 17:08 |
| cathy__ | pcarver: OK | 17:08 |
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| cathy__ | igordcard: are you still there? | 17:09 |
| cathy__ | #topic FC priority status | 17:10 |
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| cathy__ | mohankumar_: how is it going? | 17:10 |
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| mohankumar_ | catht__ : ovs agent code yet to add | 17:10 |
| cathy__ | mohankumar_: ok, thanks | 17:10 |
| scsnow | I'll take care about ovs part | 17:10 |
| cathy__ | scsnow: Good, thanks! | 17:11 |
| cathy__ | #topic Move the Path ID generation | 17:11 |
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| cathy__ | I got email that georgewang and igordcard are working on this. | 17:12 |
| cathy__ | #topic OVN driver for networking-sfc spec and implementation | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OVN driver for networking-sfc spec and implementation (Meeting topic: service_chaining)" | 17:12 | |
| cathy__ | LouisF: how is the OVN driver spec going? | 17:13 |
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| doonhammer | cathy: Implementation I have most of the code ready to submit as patches - I have create done, need to add delete/update | 17:13 |
| LouisF | cathy__: written, farhad and john are reviewing | 17:13 |
| LouisF | i will post today | 17:14 |
| regXboi | is there a link to be shared with the minutes for later readers? | 17:14 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: LouisF great progress, thanks! | 17:14 |
| doonhammer | cathy: will submit wip patches to networking-sfc/networking-ovn/ovs/ovn | 17:14 |
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| regXboi | doonhammer: I've been following the email, but got pulled into a bunch of 4.6 kernel stuff this past week | 17:15 |
| doonhammer | Louis: I will try and get comments today - stuck in all day meetings for next few days though | 17:15 |
| cathy__ | regXboi: are you talking about this meeting minute or the review minutes for the spec? | 17:15 |
| doonhammer | regXboi: Juno has been a great help | 17:15 |
| regXboi | doonhammer: good to hear that | 17:16 |
| regXboi | cathy__: I'm talking about these meeting minutes | 17:16 |
| cathy__ | Here it is #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/ | 17:16 |
| cathy__ | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/ | 17:16 |
| regXboi | thanks, but I mean a link to the spec LouisF was talking about | 17:17 |
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| LouisF | regXboi: will post today | 17:17 |
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| regXboi | LouisF: ack | 17:17 |
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| cathy__ | #topic add PPG parameter to specify insert-mode behavior for all PPs in a PPG | 17:18 |
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| cathy__ | scsnow: how is it going? | 17:18 |
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| scsnow | cathy__, you promised to provide more details in bug report | 17:19 |
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| cathy__ | scsnow: Oh, sorry I will do it today. | 17:20 |
| scsnow | from what I see now I cannot clearly understand what to do in API part | 17:20 |
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| cathy__ | #action cathy provides more detail in the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/1588463 | 17:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1588463 in networking-sfc "Add port-pair-group parameter" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Louis Fourie (lfourie) | 17:21 |
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| cathy__ | #topic Add "NSH" support----'correlation-nsh' in the chain-parameters | 17:21 |
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| cathy__ | I think we can start experimenting with this | 17:22 |
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| scsnow | is someone trying to use ovs + nsh patches w/o dpdk? | 17:22 |
| cathy__ | and merge when there is a reference implementation in a open source such as OVS | 17:23 |
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| s3wong | cathy__: we also get this by default when ODL driver comes in | 17:23 |
| cathy__ | As far as I know, the patch for VXLAN-gpe+NSH has been rejected in OVS | 17:24 |
| cathy__ | s3wong: ODL driver also uses OVS, right? | 17:24 |
| s3wong | cathy__: a patched version --- actually, so does ONOS | 17:25 |
| doonhammer | cathy: I saw a new patch set sent to ovs this week for nsh | 17:25 |
| s3wong | cathy__: so while they don't work with our reference, they could work with other drivers | 17:25 |
| mohankumar_ | scsnow , i have working ovs + NSH , i tried with ONOS driver its working fine | 17:25 |
| doonhammer | no idea of status | 17:25 |
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| igordcard | scsnow: without dpdk, me | 17:25 |
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| igordcard | scsnow: but hadn't a chance to progress much this week | 17:26 |
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| s3wong | doonhammer: I saw it also, but Jesse Gross doesn't seem very receptive of the patch (from Yi form Intel) | 17:26 |
| igordcard | doonhammer: hmm, I'll try that one | 17:26 |
| scsnow | ok, I have some issues with vxlan tunnels between nodes when using patched ovs. I'll continue my digging. | 17:27 |
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| scsnow | For those who is going to try ovs+nsh without SDN controllers, don't forget to set OVS_DATAPATH_TYPE=netdev in local.conf because with these patches OVS doesn't work with kernel dataplane | 17:28 |
| cathy__ | I see that the NSH patch is VXLAN-gpe+nsh, not VXLAN+NSH. | 17:28 |
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| cathy__ | But OpenStack only supports VXLAN, not VXLAN-gpe | 17:29 |
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| scsnow | gpe is a kind of vxlan extension? | 17:30 |
| s3wong | cathy__: I think this is just NSH: http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2016-June/072209.html | 17:30 |
| cathy__ | scsnow: kind of, but it is not backward compatible with VXLAN | 17:30 |
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| scsnow | cathy__, probably that's the reason why I have problems with vxlan tunnels on pure neutron | 17:31 |
| cathy__ | scsnow: most probably | 17:31 |
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| cathy__ | s3wong: the patch shows it is VXLAN-gpe | 17:31 |
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| scsnow | cathy__, do you know what should be changed in neutron to support vxlan-gpe? | 17:31 |
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| cathy__ | scsnow: add VXLAN-gpe tunnel support to Neutron ML2 | 17:32 |
| scsnow | cathy__, ok :) | 17:32 |
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| cathy__ | scsnow: needs Neutron team's approval | 17:32 |
| s3wong | cathy__: ? This is the VxLAN-gpe patch: http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2016-June/072187.html | 17:33 |
| s3wong | cathy__: same person, different patch... | 17:33 |
| cathy__ | It seems quite some way to get NSH encap datapath officially supported in OpenStack | 17:33 |
| cathy__ | s3wong: both patches are VXLAN-gpe | 17:33 |
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| s3wong | cathy__: although the vport-vxlan.c change has reference to VXLAN_F_GPE | 17:34 |
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| cathy__ | That is why it is better to have official NSH patch support, otherwise it could keep changing and there is no quality guarantee | 17:34 |
| s3wong | cathy__: right | 17:34 |
| scsnow | s3wong, so vxlan-gpe requires latest linux kernel, right? | 17:34 |
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| cathy__ | scsnow: yes | 17:35 |
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| scsnow | cathy__, can you confirm that 4.6.0 contains necessary changes? | 17:35 |
| igordcard | see section 5 at https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-quinn-vxlan-gpe-04.txt | 17:35 |
| s3wong | scsnow: I actually am not on net-next mailing list, so I don't know if anyone has patched vxlan-gpe into kernel net | 17:35 |
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| cathy__ | I have given suggestion to folks (Yi Yang) working in OVS to push a patch of "VXLAN+ether+NSH+original payload" which is IETF compliant too and easier to get it approved in OVS | 17:36 |
| igordcard | actually, this one is the one up to date https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-nvo3-vxlan-gpe-02.txt | 17:36 |
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| cathy__ | scsnow: I can not remember the version. Shoot an email to Yiyang for the version. But OVS has not incorporated this NSH VXLAN-gpe patch yet | 17:37 |
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| cathy__ | igordcard: are you working with Yi on the NSH patch? | 17:38 |
| igordcard | cathy__: no | 17:39 |
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| igordcard | cathy__: but as I develop the PoC I'll get in touch with him | 17:39 |
| igordcard | cathy__: but as I develop the PoC I'll get in touch with himI agree that starting with the eth+nsh would be simpler for now | 17:40 |
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| cathy__ | We are depending on the NSH patch and hopefully it can be approved in OVS and merged into an OVS version so that when networking-sfc is released, the package can bundle networking-sfc with an OVS version with NSH support | 17:41 |
| cathy__ | igordcard: yes, let us know how the eth+NSH goes. | 17:41 |
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| cathy__ | let's go to next topic | 17:42 |
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| cathy__ | #Functional Test script | 17:42 |
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| cathy__ | There is a patch for review | 17:43 |
| LouisF | cathy__: it is being reviewed | 17:44 |
| LouisF | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324135/ | 17:44 |
| cathy__ | LouisF: thanks for the link. | 17:45 |
| cathy__ | So we are waiting for Infra team to approve it. Seems Andreas has a question. I will take a look and ping the infra team | 17:46 |
| LouisF | cathy__: also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321870/ | 17:47 |
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| LouisF | once the gate patch is in the functional test can be merged | 17:48 |
| cathy__ | LouisF: yes, thanks. | 17:48 |
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| cathy__ | #topic Dynamic service chain update without service interruption | 17:49 |
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| doonhammer | cathy: is ISSU mainly a function of the switch? | 17:51 |
| cathy__ | anyone would like to work on this? | 17:51 |
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| cathy__ | doonhammer: I don't think so. That is not a small effort:-) | 17:52 |
| doonhammer | cathy: there is a set of load-balancing patches coming to ovn - perhaps we can take a look at them to see it they can be leveraged? | 17:52 |
| cathy__ | ISSU involves version negotiation and message format transformation between different versions | 17:52 |
| doonhammer | cathyL yes you are right | 17:53 |
| cathy__ | and a good defined process of doing in service upgrade. | 17:53 |
| LouisF | this depends on the back end infrastructure | 17:54 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: do you have a link to the load-balancing patch to OVN. | 17:54 |
| cathy__ | ? | 17:54 |
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| doonhammer | cathy: was in the ovn irc and shettyg says he is going to submit them again next week | 17:55 |
| cathy__ | LouisF: yes, ISSU needs a generic ISSU Infra and different "apps" can hook up to that Infra to do the version negotiation, message transformation etc. | 17:56 |
| LouisF | uninterupted service chain update depends on the back end infrastructure | 17:56 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: cool, could you give us a heads-up when the patch is submitted? | 17:56 |
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| cathy__ | We are running out of time. If you have any topic you would like to discuss, please post it on the networking-sfc meeting topic wiki page | 17:58 |
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| cathy__ | bye for now | 17:58 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: guru shetty added a patch | 17:58 |
| mohankumar_ | cathy__ :ok , may be about our mitaka release plan .. | 17:58 |
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| mohankumar_ | bye | 17:58 |
| cathy__ | mohankumar_: ok | 17:59 |
| LouisF | bye | 17:59 |
| scsnow | bye | 17:59 |
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| cathy__ | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 9 17:59:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-06-09-17.01.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-06-09-17.01.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-06-09-17.01.log.html | 17:59 |
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