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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 08:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 08:01:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 08:01 |
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| ifat_afek | Hi everyone! | 08:01 |
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| emalin | hi | 08:02 |
| emalin | good morning | 08:02 |
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| alexey_weyl | Hellooooooooooooo | 08:02 |
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| elisha_r | hi all | 08:03 |
| ifat_afek | Our agenda today: | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | * Status and Updates | 08:04 |
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| ifat_afek | * Is Vitrage ready to become an official OpenStack project? | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | * Newton release planning | 08:04 |
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| ifat_afek | * Open Discussion | 08:04 |
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| ifat_afek | #topic Status and Updates | 08:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status and Updates (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:05 | |
| ifat_afek | There is going to be a joint Doctor-Vitrage-Congress presentation in OPNFV summit in Berlin, in addition to two POC booths, with demos of Vitrage and Congress | 08:05 |
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| ifat_afek | #link https://www.eventscribe.com/2016/OPNFV/aaSearchByDay.asp?h=Full%20Schedule&BCFO=P|G | 08:05 |
| ifat_afek | Aodh constraints of unique alarm name was removed. See here: | 08:06 |
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| ifat_afek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315590/ | 08:06 |
| ifat_afek | Any other updates? | 08:06 |
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| alexey_weyl | I will update | 08:06 |
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| alexey_weyl | Mostly Noam and I had succesfully made the tempest run in the gate | 08:07 |
| ifat_afek | cool! | 08:07 |
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| alexey_weyl | I am working on inserting Zabbix to Vitrage | 08:08 |
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| alexey_weyl | and it's instalation with puppet | 08:08 |
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| alexey_weyl | Thats it | 08:09 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: great, that's a first step towards a zabbix datasource | 08:09 |
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| elisha_r | so I'll go next | 08:10 |
| elisha_r | I've been working on the support for overlapping vitrage templates | 08:10 |
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| elisha_r | The work is going well, I believe it will be done by next weeks IRC | 08:10 |
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| mkoushnir | My turn? Tempest alarms finished and will be pushed today, I hope. The rca fist tempest is ready, and the second will be finished in several days. | 08:12 |
| elisha_r | there is still time for people who want to comment on the proposed design - see the etherpad here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-overlapping-templates-support-design | 08:12 |
| elisha_r | that's it for me | 08:12 |
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| eyalb | hi | 08:12 |
| lhartal | hi all :) | 08:12 |
| ifat_afek | elisha_r, mkoushnir: thanks :-) | 08:12 |
| mkoushnir | :) | 08:12 |
| eyalb | I will update | 08:13 |
| eyalb | started working on vitrage installtion | 08:13 |
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| eyalb | pushing code to to the puppet-vitrage | 08:14 |
| eyalb | repo | 08:14 |
| eyalb | thats all | 08:14 |
| lhartal | I also have an update | 08:14 |
| lhartal | I started to work on template validation API/CLI | 08:15 |
| aguyhasnoname | hi guys | 08:15 |
| lhartal | The API wil linclude two methods: | 08:16 |
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| lhartal | 1. template-validation show [template_id] | 08:16 |
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| lhartal | will validate specific template | 08:17 |
| lhartal | 2. template-validation list - validate all templates and returns a list of templated and their status | 08:17 |
| lhartal | thats all for now | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | cool, thanks | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | any other updates anyone? | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | moving on | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Is Vitrage ready to become an official OpenStack project? | 08:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Is Vitrage ready to become an official OpenStack project? (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:18 | |
| ifat_afek | I feel that after all the progress we have made with Vitrage, it is time we apply to the TC and ask to become an official project | 08:18 |
| ifat_afek | On the technical side, we comply with all OpenStack requirements and do our best to follow their guidelines. On the community side, we have new code contributions from ZTE Corporation, and there is a big interest in the community | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | Regarding the process: we submit a change in gerrit, asking to add Vitrage to the list of projects: | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/projects.yaml | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | The commit message will contain a long description why Vitrage should fit in the big tent | 08:19 |
| ifat_afek | What do you think? | 08:20 |
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| aguyhasnoname | I think we are ready. | 08:20 |
| aguyhasnoname | (sorry about the nickname, my name was, for some reason, used) | 08:20 |
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| alexey_weyl | I think we are ready for the TC. There are still some minor issues to handle before that, but in general I think that we are ready :) | 08:21 |
| eyalb | +1 | 08:21 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: you mean fix the tempest problem? | 08:21 |
| lhartal | +2 | 08:21 |
| ohad | I think that we are ready for being official project | 08:21 |
| ohad | +1 | 08:21 |
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| eyalb | LGTM | 08:23 |
| alexey_weyl | Yes :) | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | seems like we all agree :-) so I will start working on the official request, and will submit it once our technical issues are solved. hopefully next week | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Newton release planning | 08:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton release planning (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:24 | |
| ifat_afek | Newton schedule was published: | 08:24 |
| ifat_afek | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | We started discussing Vitrage effort for Newton, let's continue | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vitrage-newton-planning | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | I suggest we all open the etherpad, and each of us can add his name next to an item s/he plans to work on | 08:25 |
| ifat_afek | We also need to make sure there are blueprints for all of these items | 08:25 |
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| ifat_afek | thanks everyone for editing the etherpad | 08:31 |
| ifat_afek | (in case the IRC channel seems too quiet ;-)) | 08:32 |
| ifat_afek | I guess we can move on | 08:35 |
| ifat_afek | Please, go ahead and add blueprints in our lanuchpad: | 08:35 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage | 08:35 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 08:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 08:35 | |
| ifat_afek | Anything you would like to raise? | 08:35 |
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| ifat_afek | so goodbye everyone | 08:37 |
| eyalb | bye | 08:37 |
| alexey_weyl | see ya | 08:37 |
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| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 08:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 08:37:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-05-18-08.01.html | 08:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-05-18-08.01.txt | 08:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-05-18-08.01.log.html | 08:37 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 13:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 13:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 13:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 13:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 13:01 |
| jichen | o/ | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | ok, i think we can start the meeting | 13:01 |
| alex_xu | #topic API Priorities | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API Priorities (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 13:02 | |
| alex_xu | let's talk about api-ref | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | still have a lot of patches need review | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/api-ref-in-rst | 13:02 |
| alex_xu | ah, not too much, just less than one page | 13:03 |
| cdent | apologies for not participating in that but I was crunched under trying to get generic resource pools moved forward | 13:03 |
| sdague | right, we still have a lot of work outstanding | 13:03 |
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| sdague | I updated the burndown with the list of files and where they stand - http://burndown.dague.org/ | 13:03 |
| alex_xu | cdent: congrats the resource pool spec merged | 13:03 |
| cdent | alex_xu: one small step in many :) | 13:04 |
| alex_xu | yeah, a lot of work | 13:04 |
| sdague | so I think on the api-ref front we should decide what must be done before we switch to this being kind of constant background work | 13:04 |
| sdague | and in my mind I think that's: flavors.inc, servers.inc, versions.inc, metadata.inc | 13:05 |
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| sdague | which are the more complicated ones | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | sdague: +1, at least we can ask people write doc for any new api change in newton | 13:05 |
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| sdague | however, I think that if we get those sorted well this week, we're way better than the existing site | 13:05 |
| alex_xu | ah, i point to the thing for supporting microversion, but i guess most of thing are done | 13:06 |
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| sdague | yeh | 13:06 |
| sdague | there is still a few things we need to poc there | 13:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | whats missing for microverisons now, roughly? | 13:06 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: do you have list | 13:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | that max_version patch? | 13:07 |
| sdague | max_version is landed | 13:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 13:07 |
| sdague | and in os-api-ref 0.1.1 | 13:07 |
| sdague | that I released yesterday | 13:07 |
| sdague | you can see it in nova patches | 13:07 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: honestly, I haven't really built a detailed list on the next microversion steps here yet, I've been focussed on the os-api-ref release and getting the content right within the current constraints | 13:08 |
| sdague | alex_xu: I think you had an old versions.inc patch, right? | 13:08 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yes, i had one | 13:09 |
| alex_xu | sdague: do we still want that? | 13:09 |
| sdague | well, we want something :) | 13:09 |
| sdague | I went through flavors yesterday | 13:09 |
| sdague | it took a while | 13:09 |
| sdague | so, mostly I'm looking to see if we could get volunteers on: servers.inc, versions.inc, metadata.inc for this week | 13:10 |
| sdague | if not, I'll try to take one a day | 13:10 |
| sdague | but splitting that up would be nice | 13:10 |
| jichen | will spend some time , too | 13:10 |
| sdague | jichen: cool, thanks | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | ah, i already take versions.inc | 13:11 |
| sdague | alex_xu: great, thank you | 13:11 |
| sdague | jichen: you want to finish metadata.inc ? | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | sdague: np | 13:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will make time for the review side | 13:11 |
| jichen | sdague: ok, I can | 13:11 |
| sdague | great | 13:11 |
| alex_xu | ok, we have plan for this week | 13:12 |
| sdague | ok, I'll poke at servers.inc later this week then. And keep up the work on all the other files as well | 13:12 |
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| sdague | but those 4 getting landed defines some first stage done and we can do the rest as background during the cycle, and have a final sprint if needed | 13:12 |
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| alex_xu | ok, cool | 13:13 |
| sdague | ok, I think we're good there. The only other thing to realize is os-api-ref is now a dedicated repo | 13:13 |
| sdague | so fixes / patches / features should be proposed there | 13:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we feel happy getting rid of the old site, once we have those three done? | 13:13 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yes, I think so, though anne is still coming up with how all these stitch together | 13:14 |
| sdague | so I think we'll mostly work with her and follow her lead there | 13:14 |
| sdague | but I would feel comfortable with this being the cannonical docs at this point | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds good, I guess the key bit is we are not blocking her work their | 13:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, +1 | 13:14 |
| alex_xu | ok, i think we can move on | 13:14 |
| sdague | yep | 13:15 |
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| alex_xu | for policy discovery, i saw the spec merged | 13:15 |
| sdague | awesome | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | #link Embed policy defaults in code | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/290155 | 13:15 |
| alex_xu | sorry for the wrong link | 13:16 |
| alex_xu | i think just waiting Andrew send out the base patch, when he need help on other part, he will reach to us | 13:16 |
| sdague | sounds great | 13:17 |
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| alex_xu | anything else for policy? | 13:17 |
| sdague | what's the bp topic for that for patches? I'll update the gerrit dash for priority reviews on that | 13:17 |
| mriedem | sdague: doesn't exist yet | 13:17 |
| mriedem | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/policy-in-code | 13:17 |
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| mriedem | sdague: i've already got the needles into laski about it | 13:17 |
| sdague | ok, cool | 13:18 |
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| mriedem | the oslo policy code has to land and release first | 13:18 |
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| sdague | ok, do we need to help review there as well? | 13:18 |
| mriedem | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.policy/+spec/policy-in-code | 13:19 |
| mriedem | no patches yet that i see in there | 13:19 |
| alex_xu | just saw this patch | 13:19 |
| mriedem | i'll ping jhesketh about approving the bp | 13:19 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.policy+branch:master+topic:bp/policy-in-code | 13:19 |
| sdague | cool, stared it for review | 13:19 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/309153 | 13:20 |
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| alex_xu | one more spec for policy.json generate | 13:20 |
| alex_xu | ok, i think this all for policy, let's move on? | 13:21 |
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| sdague | yes | 13:22 |
| alex_xu | so we can begin to talk about deprecation | 13:22 |
| sdague | sounds good, I went back through comments last night and here I think are the open issues | 13:22 |
| sdague | * there are a few missing network related things that should be added (fping, net associate) (easy, non controversial) | 13:23 |
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| sdague | * there is an open question about how to help sites not build a bunch of software that's going to break (the big red button question), lets do that last | 13:24 |
| sdague | * there is a question on whether we 404 the network apis at this microversion | 13:24 |
| sdague | (which mriedem does not like) | 13:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I kinda like the 404 as a signal that they are going away | 13:25 |
| mriedem | in part because nova-network isn't a proxy api | 13:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | it shouldn't break existing users scripts | 13:25 |
| mriedem | but neither is fping i guess | 13:25 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: well, it will if they move up the microversion | 13:25 |
| sdague | mriedem: well fping only works with nova net in most cases | 13:25 |
| mriedem | yeah, so the spec started out being about proxy apis | 13:26 |
| mriedem | and it's easier to think of a big hammer on those | 13:26 |
| mriedem | but other nova-net specific wrinkles makes this mesier | 13:26 |
| mriedem | *messier | 13:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: ack, if they do that for those requests | 13:26 |
| sdague | ok... so, how do we want to navigate this? | 13:27 |
| mriedem | plus as a client do i know or care what backend networking is being used? | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | so what is the alternative for nova-net? | 13:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | we deprecate the APIs after we remove nova-net? | 13:27 |
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| sdague | mriedem: at some level, yes, because what you can do is quite different | 13:27 |
| mriedem | sdague: yeah i'm sure i could figure it out via trial and error | 13:27 |
| mriedem | but still, that sucks | 13:27 |
| mriedem | but it's latent suck i guess :) | 13:28 |
| sdague | mriedem: I agree | 13:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: agreed it sucks | 13:28 |
| sdague | hence, why we're deprecating nova-net, because eventually you'll know as nova-net isn't an option | 13:28 |
| mriedem | the problem i have with a 404 on nova-network requests is, with proxies it's easy - go use neutron/cinder/glance/ironic apis | 13:28 |
| cdent | what matters more: transitional suck, or eternal suck? | 13:28 |
| mriedem | but with nova-net, you can't use neutron apis | 13:28 |
| mriedem | you have to use the nova apis for nova-net until that cloud moves to neutron | 13:28 |
| mriedem | so then you have to pin any network-related requests you make < the deprecation microversion | 13:29 |
| sdague | mriedem: right, which just means you don't get new Nova features in your cloud | 13:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | so security groups and floating ips are the sticking point here? | 13:29 |
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| sdague | which, I'm not sure why that's an issue | 13:29 |
| alex_xu | but deprecated by microvesion, if user not upgrade to new microversion, so he will be fine | 13:29 |
| mriedem | just seems like we're pushing a lot of complexity on the client | 13:29 |
| sdague | mriedem: why? | 13:29 |
| mriedem | sdague: to special case their calls based on microversion | 13:30 |
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| mriedem | unless they just cap at this version and don't move ahead | 13:30 |
| mriedem | until they are off nova-net | 13:30 |
| sdague | mriedem: right | 13:30 |
| sdague | and that's my suggestion | 13:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I feel like we are warning the client that these old APIs are going away | 13:30 |
| sdague | they cap at 2.25 | 13:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if we don't warn, what do we do when we drop nova-net? | 13:30 |
| sdague | and they just don't get new nova features until their cloud moves on | 13:30 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: exactly | 13:30 |
| mriedem | and as a client i can't really do anything about that until the cloud endpoint i'm talking to moves on, or i move on, or i special case my code | 13:30 |
| sdague | mriedem: right, but just "2.25" | 13:30 |
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| sdague | we're assuming this is done with a single global in code | 13:31 |
| mriedem | yeah, but see i really really want 2.40 :) | 13:31 |
| sdague | that's tested on that version | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | or keep using v2.0 or v2.1 base version | 13:31 |
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| sdague | mriedem: well, honestly, too bad | 13:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | like they probably are, since we haven't documented any microversion | 13:31 |
| sdague | we're about to actually delete all this code in 2 cycles | 13:31 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: except novaclient | 13:31 |
| sdague | continuing to make it easy for people to use it up until it's ripped out from under them seems weird | 13:31 |
| alex_xu | emm...one more thing, it is safe for v2.1 compat mode? | 13:31 |
| sdague | for the 7% of users still hitting nova-net | 13:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: only the CLI | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: which we can fix | 13:32 |
| sdague | we honestly need to stop treating nova-net sites and users as first class citizens | 13:32 |
| sdague | nova net is deprecated, they are not any more | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | so here is an alternative... | 13:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | today: deprecate nova-net | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | next cycle: deprecate the nova-net APIs | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | i.e. give folks a warning its going to get really hard, real soon | 13:33 |
| mriedem | today is already done | 13:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 13:33 |
| sdague | and that means when we delete in P they've only had 6 months warning | 13:33 |
| sdague | we deprecated the code that powers those APIs | 13:33 |
| sdague | I don't understand how those APIs are not also deprecated and blocked in a microversion | 13:34 |
| mriedem | i think people probably need a year at least for this | 13:34 |
| mriedem | like people are just upgrading to kilo now because it's going end of life | 13:34 |
| mriedem | so i think 6 months is a bit harsh yeah | 13:34 |
| sdague | making APIs first class for deprecated code... just seems like all the wrong messaging | 13:34 |
| cdent | mriedem: if they are only just upgrading to kilo now, then a six month window in master-based time is 18 months? | 13:35 |
| cdent | (in kilo-based time?) | 13:35 |
| cdent | which is a _lot_ of time | 13:35 |
| mriedem | cdent: idk, my gut is when they get to newton, we've already ripped out nova-net | 13:35 |
| mriedem | because they are so far behind | 13:35 |
| sdague | mriedem: right | 13:35 |
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| sdague | so, people that far behind, honestly don't get to be part of the conversation. | 13:36 |
| mriedem | so if we're saying people just need to cap in their clients until their cloud moves to nova-net, then i guess i'm fine with that | 13:36 |
| sdague | mriedem: right, I think that's what we're saying | 13:36 |
| sdague | at least that's what I'm saying | 13:36 |
| mriedem | when i originally read the spec i was thinking people would have to special case their calls | 13:36 |
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| mriedem | i think we should be very clear about that in the spec | 13:36 |
| sdague | sure, I can make that clear | 13:36 |
| sdague | so that was point #3 | 13:37 |
| sdague | seems like we have resolution there | 13:37 |
| sdague | point #2 - big red switch | 13:37 |
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| sdague | i.e. do we provide an easy config option for adminstrators to disable deprecated APIs (all of them, not getting to pick / choose) | 13:37 |
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| sdague | mostly as a defensive mechanism to help prevent their users from building code against APIs that will go away | 13:38 |
| sdague | this is really the meta issue of how to communicate to end user apps they are using deprecated stuff | 13:38 |
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| alex_xu | unless administrator knew that will break the old client. | 13:39 |
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| mriedem | btw, before we move on from the nova-net thing, no one answered alex_xu's question about v2.1 compat mode | 13:39 |
| sdague | ok, alex_xu what's the question on the v2.1 compat mode? | 13:39 |
| mriedem | actually it wouldn't be a problem | 13:40 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: because that's just a v2.1 request | 13:40 |
| mriedem | not v2.26 or whatever | 13:40 |
| alex_xu | i think we should keep all the proxy api works for v2.1 compat mode. and what happen after we remove nova-net in v2.1 compat mode? | 13:40 |
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| mriedem | if we delete the nova-net code, then yes v2.1 compat and everything below the deprecation microversion is busted | 13:40 |
| sdague | alex_xu: at some point, we have to drop these proxies | 13:41 |
| mriedem | we can't delete nova-net unless we raise the minimum microversion past the deprecation microversion | 13:41 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: for the proxies, we aren't dropping the code, just giving a 404 after a certain microversion | 13:41 |
| mriedem | to signal | 13:41 |
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| mriedem | so we can eventually raise the minimum required version and then drop the code | 13:41 |
| sdague | mriedem: that's what concerns me | 13:41 |
| sdague | because what that means is nova-network exists until the T release (at least) | 13:42 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: yea, need raise the min version | 13:42 |
| sdague | and all that code is massively rotted | 13:42 |
| mriedem | sdague: or, | 13:42 |
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| mriedem | well, | 13:42 |
| mriedem | i was going to say, it moves out of tree and we just call it, but don't really maintain it, | 13:42 |
| sdague | right, which is just dumb | 13:42 |
| mriedem | but we would still need to test it i tihnk | 13:42 |
| sdague | which means someone has to fix it | 13:42 |
| mriedem | yeah | 13:42 |
| sdague | and no one will | 13:43 |
| mriedem | vish might :) | 13:43 |
| mriedem | j/k | 13:43 |
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| sdague | I get that this is a violation of our norms, but it is a special case | 13:43 |
| mriedem | so, | 13:43 |
| sdague | we did the same thing with the XML drop | 13:43 |
| mriedem | we don't need to decide if we're going to drop the code this cycle | 13:43 |
| sdague | right | 13:43 |
| sdague | I honestly think the delete is in P | 13:44 |
| mriedem | getting the deprecation microversion in place doesn't break v2.1 or compat mode | 13:44 |
| sdague | right | 13:44 |
| sdague | but it gets signalling early | 13:44 |
| mriedem | so let's punt on the deleting part | 13:44 |
| alex_xu | if all the network api is extension in legacy v2, i think we can remove then by removing them from the extension api also. | 13:44 |
| sdague | so we can get people prepared | 13:44 |
| sdague | ok, so... big red switch? | 13:45 |
| cdent | yes | 13:45 |
| sdague | because that's the thing I want to discuss before doing the rev of the spec | 13:45 |
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| sdague | as I think that's the last sticking point | 13:45 |
| alex_xu | ok, i'm ok with that, let talk about big red switch | 13:45 |
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| mriedem | i was wondering why deployers that wanted this couldn't just disable the apis via policy? | 13:46 |
| mriedem | there might have already been a reason that i'm forgetting | 13:46 |
| sdague | mriedem: because it's super complicated | 13:46 |
| sdague | and it means that inevitably everyone would do it differently | 13:46 |
| sdague | so few people actually modify policy | 13:46 |
| mriedem | ok, but by the same logic, wouldn't a big red switch put a big x on interop? | 13:47 |
| sdague | the situation I'm thinking about is we get to P cycle | 13:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, most folks always fail at policy changes | 13:47 |
| sdague | people have deployed Newton clouds | 13:47 |
| alex_xu | so...we have red button, which leads to the api return 403... | 13:47 |
| sdague | we dropped nova-net in P | 13:47 |
| sdague | which means anything using any of that is broken | 13:47 |
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| sdague | the cloud would really like to signal their users early about this | 13:48 |
| sdague | so they don't have a ton of new software written against newton that is guarunteed to break | 13:48 |
| sdague | and piss everyone off | 13:48 |
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| mriedem | if you're basing this on the assumption that we drop nova-net in P, i think that has to be sorted out first, | 13:49 |
| mriedem | but go on | 13:49 |
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| sdague | well, we're going to drop something sometime | 13:49 |
| sdague | move back 2 releases | 13:49 |
| sdague | how do sites manage to premtively help their users no use deprecated apis | 13:50 |
| * alex_xu reminders 10 mins left | 13:50 | |
| sdague | to help them move forward | 13:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, thats my worry | 13:50 |
| sdague | let's be honest, deleting stuff is hard, it's always hard | 13:50 |
| mriedem | and if their app is already written using apis from kilo, it's already too late | 13:50 |
| sdague | mriedem: sure | 13:50 |
| sdague | but the longer that exists the worse the problem gets | 13:51 |
| mriedem | so dropping the big red switch will break them - they'd obviously have to give some lead time on that | 13:51 |
| sdague | sure, which is part of making it an ops switch | 13:51 |
| mriedem | i.e. in 6 months this cloud is going to turn off these apis, so rev your code | 13:51 |
| sdague | disable_deprecated_apis=True | 13:51 |
| sdague | they could even set that for only 1 set of compute endpoints | 13:51 |
| sdague | so there is a legacy endpoint, and a clean endpoint | 13:52 |
| sdague | and people could try their code against the clean endpoint, and see if it works | 13:52 |
| mriedem | i was thinking, what if we deprecate some other api in ocata? if disable_deprecated_apis is a global, then the deprecation in ocata has 0 lead time | 13:52 |
| sdague | mriedem: yes | 13:52 |
| cdent | I was just going to ask that sdague : so it would be possible to run two different apis: go the default one blow up with a message that says if you insist, reconfigured to use endpoint X ? | 13:52 |
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| mriedem | but making the deprecation thing a list is also gross | 13:53 |
| sdague | mriedem: right, and leads to worse interop | 13:53 |
| cdent | s/reconfigured/reconfigure/ | 13:53 |
| sdague | cdent: yeh, API is an n-way service | 13:53 |
| cdent | that seems like a very sane way to go | 13:53 |
| cdent | as long as the associated messaging was clear | 13:53 |
| sdague | you could definitely have multiple of them, talking to the same backend, some with it on and some with it off | 13:53 |
| mriedem | heh, compat mode for the deprecated apis | 13:54 |
| mriedem | which have compat mode to v2.0 | 13:54 |
| mriedem | a smelly onion | 13:54 |
| mriedem | i like the multiple endpoint idea though | 13:54 |
| mriedem | as a backdoor | 13:54 |
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| edleafe | won't we have to close that backdoor eventually, too? | 13:55 |
| sdague | edleafe: it's called deleteing the actual code | 13:55 |
| cdent | presumably the messaging would need to say "the backdoor wil live for N days" | 13:55 |
| mriedem | yeah ,the backdoor is broken when the deprecated apis are gone | 13:55 |
| mriedem | or just don't work anymore | 13:55 |
| sdague | yep | 13:55 |
| * alex_xu reminders 5 mins left | 13:55 | |
| mriedem | sdague: so before we move forward with something like this, i think it needs advertising on the dev and ops lists | 13:56 |
| sdague | mriedem: ok, so how do we want to handle the spec then? | 13:56 |
| sdague | do an email around this to ops / dev asking for feedback ? | 13:56 |
| mriedem | i think propose what you want for the red switch with the backdoor | 13:56 |
| mriedem | and then yes bring it up in the lists for feedback | 13:56 |
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| mriedem | because we're providing a way for ops to do something, but we should make sure it's something they'll want or use | 13:57 |
| mriedem | or if we're missing something | 13:57 |
| sdague | ok, and we move forward on the current spec without it for now | 13:57 |
| sdague | so it can progress | 13:57 |
| sdague | then this comes in as ... another spec? | 13:57 |
| mriedem | yeah or that, the kill switch could be a separate spec | 13:57 |
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| mriedem | we're all on board with the deprecation spec w/o the kill switch i think | 13:57 |
| sdague | right, I mostly want to make sure we move forward on the proxy deprecation in some form | 13:57 |
| mriedem | so if you want to move that forward, yes | 13:57 |
| sdague | ok, sounds good, I'll redo it based on that feedback (and the other bits above) | 13:58 |
| mriedem | specs are cheap and plentiful! | 13:58 |
| sdague | * will propose to ops about the kill switch | 13:58 |
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| sdague | * will (at some point) also propose some other extensions to deprecate | 13:58 |
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| alex_xu | cool, i think i will cut the meeting in next minutes | 13:58 |
| cdent | what's the link to the spec(s) being discussed? | 13:58 |
| sdague | as a 3rd spec | 13:58 |
| sdague | cdent: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312209/ is the proxy deprecation spec | 13:59 |
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| cdent | thanks sdague | 13:59 |
| mriedem | if you have input on bdm v1 in the dev list please respond | 13:59 |
| mriedem | but i think it falls into the same bit rot category | 13:59 |
| mriedem | we don't test it | 13:59 |
| mriedem | and it crufts up the bdm code all over nova | 13:59 |
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| alex_xu | ok, let's move back to the openstack-nova, i will cut the meeting | 13:59 |
| mriedem | thanks | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | thanks all! | 13:59 |
| sdague | yep, I think I'm good here, thanks all | 13:59 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| cdent | o/ | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 13:59:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-05-18-13.00.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-05-18-13.00.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-05-18-13.00.log.html | 13:59 |
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| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 14:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
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| acabot | hi | 14:00 |
| dtardivel | hi | 14:00 |
| jed56 | hi | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| ecelik | hi | 14:00 |
| hvprash | hi | 14:00 |
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| acabot | agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#05.2F18.2F2016 | 14:00 |
| jwcroppe | \o | 14:00 |
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| xrollla | hi | 14:00 |
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| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:01 |
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| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| seanmurphy | hi | 14:01 |
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| acabot | #info Craton project (fleet management) officially launched and will organize its mid-cycle at the same place & time than Watcher | 14:02 |
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| acabot | I had discussion with Jim about this project in Austin, they plan to build a tool to deploy services on very large scale infrastructures | 14:03 |
| hvprash | acabot, i was in that meeting and suggested it | 14:03 |
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| sballe_ | morning | 14:03 |
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| acabot | hvprash : yes, thank you for introducing me, I think this project is interesting and we need to follow where they want to go | 14:03 |
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| gzhai2 | hi | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | So Watcher, Craton, and Nova all in Hillsboro at the same time? | 14:04 |
| acabot | today, it is dedicated to very large scale infra but they are interested by the "audit part" of Watcher, I will plan sync time with Craton team in Hilsboro | 14:04 |
| sballe_ | acabot: what does deploy at large scale mean? | 14:04 |
| acabot | sballe_: it means more than 1000 nodes | 14:05 |
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| sballe_ | edleafe: I hadn't heard Craton but I knew that Water and nova | 14:05 |
| acabot | sballe_ : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/craton-meeting-2016-05-16 | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | but what does deploy mean? manage? are they going to rewrite nova for that? nova doesn't scale to taht scale so are they looking at many noa islands | 14:06 |
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| hvprash | sballe_, one of the objective is to collect the metadata.. think like a CMDB | 14:06 |
| acabot | sballe_ : you should look at the etherpad ;-) | 14:06 |
| sballe_ | perfect and that is what though. Deploy is just such a buzzword | 14:07 |
| sballe_ | I have read the etherpad... and to me it is a CMDB like hvprash points out | 14:07 |
| sballe_ | and so deploy is not really in play | 14:07 |
| hvprash | basically collectiing all the info in a datacenter like network topology, how its connected to the tor etc | 14:07 |
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| sballe_ | hvprash: and we need thta | 14:08 |
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| acabot | sballe_ : I think we need to discuss with them, I hope they will be in Hillsboro | 14:08 |
| hvprash | sballe_, will be interesting to meet them in hillsboro | 14:08 |
| jed56 | +1 | 14:09 |
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| sballe_ | I agree. Again I hadn't heard they would be there too | 14:09 |
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| acabot | #action acabot sync with Craton to define a cross-project meeting during our myd-cycle meetup | 14:09 |
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| acabot | #info I wrote down a commit msg for the big tent that is open to reviews now https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-big-tent-commit-msg | 14:09 |
| acabot | I plan to submit our project after next meeting (1 week to review the commit msg) | 14:10 |
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| acabot | #action acabot submit Watcher to the big tent after our next meeting | 14:11 |
| sballe_ | acabot: thx I will lok at it | 14:11 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ jwcroppe review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-big-tent-commit-msg | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | acabot: I'll look it over too. This is great progress! | 14:12 |
| acabot | sync with congress, I wasn't able to attend their meeting last week, did someone attend ? | 14:12 |
| acabot | #action edleafe review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-big-tent-commit-msg | 14:12 |
| jwcroppe | acabot: reading now | 14:12 |
| acabot | #info Dont forget that meeting time has changed every 2 weeks starting next week | 14:13 |
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| acabot | any feedback about Congress delegation for VM placement ? #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ksDilJYXV-5AXWON8PLMedDKr9NpS8VbT0jIy_MIEtI/edit# | 14:13 |
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| jed56 | acabot what kind of feedback do you want ? | 14:14 |
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| acabot | I think the TC will look at it regarding Congress/Watcher overlap so I'd like to have everybody clear the difference between the way we do optimization and the way Congress wants to do it | 14:15 |
| acabot | jed56 : is it the same thing than Watcher ? | 14:15 |
| sballe_ | jed56 I looked at it and to me it is enforcing static policies a lot like what Nova should be doing if it had a good architecture | 14:15 |
| acabot | jed56 : but I know your opinion ;-) | 14:15 |
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| jed56 | Congres has not the same approach but the finality is the same | 14:16 |
| acabot | sballe_ : I agree with you, just to be sure that we share the same opinion in the team | 14:16 |
| acabot | #info Watcher puppet repository creation currently in review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315431/ | 14:17 |
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| acabot | any other announcements ? | 14:17 |
| dtardivel | acabot: I'm pushing a new patchset | 14:17 |
| dtardivel | for puppt | 14:17 |
| dtardivel | for puppet-watcher | 14:17 |
| acabot | dtardivel : ok thx | 14:17 |
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| acabot | #action dtardivel submit a new PS for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315431/ | 14:18 |
| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:18 |
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| jed56 | acabot: regarding congress do we need to add some information in our documentation ? | 14:18 |
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| acabot | jed56 : for now, I think we need to clarify things in the commit msg for the big tent | 14:19 |
| jed56 | okay | 14:19 |
| acabot | Watcher specs | 14:19 |
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| acabot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312143/ needs review from core before EOW | 14:20 |
| acabot | #action acabot jwcroppe sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275474/ | 14:20 |
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| acabot | Airflow event based migration strategy spec needs reviews from core #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275474/ | 14:20 |
| acabot | #action acabot jwcroppe sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275474/ | 14:21 |
| acabot | Graph model describing virtual and physical elements in a data center & Consolidation of multiple Action-plans into a single one & Add Watcher Continuosly Optimization spec need reviews | 14:21 |
| acabot | we need more reviewers on specs | 14:22 |
| acabot | does anyone wants to contribute on this ? | 14:22 |
| gzhai2 | I can review 312143 | 14:22 |
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| hvprash | +1 | 14:23 |
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| acabot | #action gzhai2 hvprash review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312143/ | 14:23 |
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| sballe_ | +1 | 14:23 |
| jed56 | acabot: i will read it | 14:23 |
| xrollla | hi all, I and alexchadin are working on "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315551/". We've already implemented this to the Watcher, python-watcherclient and are working on the tests at the moment. Watcher-dashboard changes will be done later. | 14:24 |
| sballe_ | xrollla: acabot I will take a look at 315551 | 14:24 |
| jinquan | i will review the Add Watcher Continuosly Optimization spec | 14:25 |
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| acabot | #action sballe_ jinquan acabot review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315551/ | 14:25 |
| vincentfrancoise | I'll try to review 315551 by EOW | 14:25 |
| jwcroppe | reviewing 275474 | 14:25 |
| acabot | #action vincentfrancoise review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315551/ | 14:26 |
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| acabot | hvprash : is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317130/ still in WIP ? | 14:26 |
| hvprash | acabot, Though the spec is currently WIP, can the core parallel review ? I may need some help understanding the code impact since this is first time I am doing this :) | 14:26 |
| acabot | ok | 14:27 |
| acabot | #action jwcroppe sballe_ acabot review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317130/ in WIP | 14:27 |
| hvprash | i have update the data model impact. was thinking to hhave an audit version table | 14:27 |
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| xrollla | sballe_: thanks :) | 14:27 |
| hvprash | thx jwcroppe sballe_ | 14:27 |
| acabot | Cluster model objects wrapper work items are still missing #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ (for a couple of weeks...) | 14:27 |
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| acabot | jwcroppe : any update on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287019/ ? | 14:28 |
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| acabot | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/get-goal-from-strategy has been merged last week | 14:30 |
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| acabot | thx vincentfrancoise for this great contribution | 14:30 |
| edleafe | acabot: on the commit message etherpad, how do you want suggested changes added? Strike out the old, and type in the new? Or some other way? | 14:30 |
| sballe_ | vincentfrancoise: +1 | 14:31 |
| acabot | edleafe : Strike out the old, and type in the new | 14:31 |
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| edleafe | acabot: ok | 14:31 |
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| acabot | 2 strategies need reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297590/ | 14:32 |
| acabot | who wants to review ? | 14:32 |
| sballe_ | me | 14:32 |
| sballe_ | I will sepnd the afternon at it | 14:32 |
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| jed56 | i just finish reviewing 297590 | 14:32 |
| acabot | #action sballe_ review implemented strategies https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297590/ | 14:32 |
| jed56 | i can review 292188 | 14:32 |
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| jinquan | ican review 297590 | 14:33 |
| acabot | #action jed56 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292188/ | 14:33 |
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| acabot | #action jinquan review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297590/ | 14:33 |
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| acabot | we also need reviews on openstack-plugin #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-watcherclient+branch:master+topic:bp/openstackclient-plugin | 14:34 |
| acabot | for now, only vincentfrancoise & dtardivel have reviewed this code | 14:34 |
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| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:35 |
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| acabot | #info Newton-1 release is due in 10 days so we need to start cleaning on-going BPs | 14:36 |
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| acabot | #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/newton-1 | 14:36 |
| acabot | xrollla : I dont think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/continuously-optimization will be implemented for Newton-1 right ? | 14:37 |
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| acabot | vincentfrancoise : do you think we will be able to deliver https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/efficacy-indicator in 10 days ? | 14:38 |
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| vincentfrancoise | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/efficacy-indicator is wal on its way but it depends on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/persistent-audit-parameters | 14:38 |
| vincentfrancoise | well* | 14:38 |
| vincentfrancoise | by EOW I should be able to push the code for review | 14:39 |
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| vincentfrancoise | but the las piece which consist of comparing the strategies cannot be finished because of the dependency | 14:39 |
| acabot | ok so I will keep it in Newton-1 for now | 14:39 |
| vincentfrancoise | but the rest can be merged without persistent-audit-parameters <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/persistent-audit-parameters> | 14:40 |
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| xrollla | acabot: I'll check with alexchadin now | 14:40 |
| acabot | we really need more code reviewers until next week if we want to have 6 BPs implemented for Newton-1 | 14:40 |
| seanmurphy | i can help out | 14:41 |
| seanmurphy | i can do one | 14:41 |
| acabot | seanmurphy : do you want to review code as well ? | 14:41 |
| seanmurphy | i can do tis | 14:41 |
| seanmurphy | this | 14:41 |
| dtardivel | acabot: I will review also this one "Added Goals and Strategies to Dashbooard" #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301516/ | 14:41 |
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| acabot | #action seanmurphy look at the list of BPs that need reviews on https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/newton-1 | 14:42 |
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| sballe_ | acabot: we just need more reviwer. The more people that give a +1 the less work the cores have to do to give it +2 | 14:42 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301516/ | 14:42 |
| acabot | sballe_ : yes, +1 is important ! | 14:43 |
| sballe_ | that is how it worked in Neutron at some points. The cores would do a quick review and basedon all the +1s whould 2 | 14:43 |
| acabot | sballe_ : we need more +1 :-D | 14:43 |
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| vincentfrancoise | +1 ^ | 14:43 |
| acabot | seanmurphy : Voljtech has a bug in review https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1564297 and there is really nothing to do to close it, can he work on it by EOW ? | 14:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564297 in watcher "Add missing cold (non-live) VM migration support" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Vojtech Cima (cima-vojtech) | 14:44 |
| xrollla | acabot: alexchadin considers that for review we will publish it to the next meeting | 14:44 |
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| acabot | xrolla : ok in this case I will postpone it to Newton-2 | 14:44 |
| acabot | #action acabot move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/continuously-optimization to Newton-2 | 14:44 |
| seanmurphy | @acabot - he cannot - he is on vacation right now - we can look at it, but no guarantees it will be done by EOW | 14:45 |
| acabot | seanmurphy : please let me know if he can do it before end of next week (Newton-1 release) | 14:45 |
| seanmurphy | ok - will do | 14:45 |
| vincentfrancoise | seanmurphy: it's just some docstring to modify if I'm not mistaken | 14:45 |
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| acabot | gzhai2 : any update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/optimization-threshold ? | 14:46 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: in rebase. | 14:46 |
| acabot | gzhai2 : I see, can you rebase it ? | 14:46 |
| gzhai2 | yes. | 14:47 |
| acabot | thx | 14:47 |
| acabot | #action rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297556/ | 14:47 |
| acabot | #action gzhai2 rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297556/ | 14:47 |
| acabot | #topic Open Discussion | 14:47 |
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| acabot | which keyword should we use in OpenStack official CLI to identify Watcher service (currently infra-optim) ? | 14:47 |
| acabot | dtardivel : can you give us more details ? | 14:48 |
| gzhai2 | acabot: Anybody request for OSIC nodes? | 14:49 |
| dtardivel | with openstackcli, when we introduce a new plugin, as watcher, we have to use a keyword to indicate command is linked to watcher | 14:49 |
| vincentfrancoise | e.g. | 14:49 |
| dtardivel | for now, if the patchset proposed by vincentfrancoise we have : openstack infraoptim audit list | 14:49 |
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| dtardivel | s/if/in | 14:49 |
| edleafe | dtardivel: understood, but 'infra-optim' doesn't sound good | 14:49 |
| * edleafe needs to think of a better one | 14:50 | |
| vincentfrancoise | edleafe: agreed | 14:50 |
| jinquan | edleafe ＋1 | 14:50 |
| jed56 | +1 | 14:50 |
| dtardivel | the question is: which keywork could be better for watcher command line in openstack CLI. | 14:50 |
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| dtardivel | vincentfrancoise proposed 'optimize' | 14:50 |
| hvprash | +1 | 14:50 |
| sballe_ | +1 | 14:51 |
| vincentfrancoise | I would suggest "optmization" to be more precise | 14:51 |
| edleafe | dtardivel: yeah, 'optimize' is too subjective | 14:51 |
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| acabot | so it would be "openstack optimize audit list" sounds weird no ? | 14:51 |
| vincentfrancoise | so it would look like "openstack optimization audit list" | 14:51 |
| edleafe | maybe 'balance'? | 14:51 |
| jed56 | openstack watcher audit list ? | 14:51 |
| sballe_ | balance is too general | 14:52 |
| edleafe | jed56: you can't use code names | 14:52 |
| jed56 | edleafe: I didn't know :) | 14:52 |
| edleafe | sballe_: so is optimize :-P | 14:52 |
| hvprash | optimiz* is better i think | 14:52 |
| dtardivel | congress did it :) openstack congress .... | 14:52 |
| edleafe | really? | 14:52 |
| sballe_ | then I vote for watcher | 14:52 |
| vincentfrancoise | congress is actually the only one to do so | 14:53 |
| sballe_ | we could quickly settle on optimize and trademark it | 14:53 |
| vincentfrancoise | everyone else is referring to the service it delivers | 14:53 |
| sballe_ | so noboy else uses optimization or optimize | 14:53 |
| jed56 | sballe_: +2 | 14:53 |
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| vincentfrancoise | sballe_: +2 that was my idea with optimization | 14:53 |
| dtardivel | sballe_: +2 | 14:53 |
| hvprash | sballe_: +2 | 14:53 |
| edleafe | I would expect some pushback from others on 'optimize' | 14:53 |
| sballe_ | lol | 14:53 |
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| acabot | #startvote Keyword for OpenStack CLI optimize watcher optimization balance | 14:54 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 14:54 |
| edleafe | naming is hard | 14:54 |
| acabot | #startvote Keyword for OpenStack CLI ? optimize, watcher, optimization, balance | 14:54 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Keyword for OpenStack CLI ? Valid vote options are optimize, watcher, optimization, balance. | 14:54 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:54 |
| vincentfrancoise | optimizatoin would be coherent with the remit stated in the big tent commit message | 14:54 |
| acabot | #vote optimize | 14:55 |
| sballe_ | #vote optimize | 14:55 |
| dtardivel | #vote optimization | 14:55 |
| vincentfrancoise | #vote optimization | 14:55 |
| jed56 | #vote optimize | 14:55 |
| jinquan | irc://chat.freenode.net:6667/#vote optimize | 14:55 |
| hvprash | #vote optimize | 14:55 |
| edleafe | #vote optimize | 14:55 |
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| acabot | #endvote | 14:56 |
| openstack | Voted on "Keyword for OpenStack CLI ?" Results are | 14:56 |
| openstack | optimization (2): vincentfrancoise, dtardivel | 14:56 |
| openstack | optimize (5): hvprash, edleafe, jed56, acabot, sballe_ | 14:56 |
| acabot | go for "optimize" | 14:56 |
| sballe_ | +2 | 14:56 |
| seanmurphy | (we were just abt to vote optimize! ;-) | 14:56 |
| acabot | #action vincentfrancoise update Watcher keywork in CLI by "optimize" | 14:56 |
| acabot | seanmurphy : too slow ;-) | 14:56 |
| sballe_ | lol | 14:57 |
| hvprash | :) | 14:57 |
| acabot | should we already ask for an infra to OSIC before being part of the big tent ? | 14:57 |
| acabot | I think we should wait until we submit Watcher to the big tent | 14:57 |
| gzhai2 | ok | 14:58 |
| sballe_ | just submit for the big tent and in parallel ask for the cluster | 14:58 |
| acabot | but gzhai2 said that there are a lot of requests | 14:58 |
| sballe_ | gzhai2: has a request in for an internal cluster too | 14:58 |
| sballe_ | gzhai2: what's the status on that? | 14:58 |
| gzhai2 | pls. just give me test requirements and time. | 14:59 |
| sballe_ | acabot: if we submit the request now we get inthe queue | 14:59 |
| gzhai2 | I can try to ask for a 30+ nodes in internal cluster. | 14:59 |
| acabot | yes but I cannt mention that we will be in the big tent soon in the form.. | 14:59 |
| acabot | 30 nodes would be great | 14:59 |
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| acabot | time to end the meeting | 14:59 |
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| acabot | thx | 15:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 15:00 |
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| jinquan | bye | 15:00 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 15:00:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| sballe_ | acabot: let's go over the out ICM to discuss the 30+ nde | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-05-18-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| jed56 | what are the characteristics of the nodes ? | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-05-18-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-05-18-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:31 |
| sdake | #topic rollcalls | 16:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 16:31:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:32 |
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| inc0 | o/ | 16:32 |
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| vhosakot | o/ | 16:32 |
| mandre | \o/ | 16:32 |
| Jeffrey4l | o/ | 16:32 |
| nihilifer | \o | 16:32 |
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| eghobo | o/ | 16:32 |
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| jpeeler | hi | 16:32 |
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| mlima | \o/ | 16:33 |
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| coolsvap | hello | 16:33 |
| sdake | o/ | 16:33 |
| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:33 |
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| sdake | 1. I am working on securing us space for midcycle at Ansible HQ in Durham | 16:34 |
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| pbourke-mobile2 | Hi | 16:34 |
| sdake | if that falls though ryan has suggested boston as a possibility | 16:34 |
| sdake | i will know by friday if that has fallen through | 16:34 |
| sdake | 2. we are getting something like 130 nodes to do kolla scale testing with | 16:35 |
| sdake | provided by osic | 16:35 |
| pbourke-mobile2 | cool | 16:35 |
| sdake | inc0 mind adding anything on that topic? | 16:35 |
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| inc0 | well | 16:35 |
| inc0 | it's not official yet | 16:35 |
| vhosakot | yes, Boston is great... near my house! :) | 16:35 |
| sdake | oh i thought it was | 16:36 |
| inc0 | but there is good possibility that we'll get 132 physical nodes to perform tests we want for 3 weeks | 16:36 |
| vhosakot | sdake: is 130 nodes at the gate ? | 16:36 |
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| rhallisey | hey | 16:36 |
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| sdake | vhosakot no its bare metal accesible via internets | 16:36 |
| rhallisey | sorry a little late | 16:36 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, no, its 130 powerful physical servers we'll have ipmi access to | 16:36 |
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| sdake | by powerful he means 2 xeon processor 256gbram+ | 16:37 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 16:37 |
| vhosakot | inc0: sdake: how to we use it ? for dev/unit-testing/local scale testing ? | 16:37 |
| inc0 | so we can deploy kolla on them, deploy thousands of vms on it and deploy multi-k kolla on vms;) | 16:37 |
| sdake | no we have it for a short period - 3 weeks | 16:37 |
| inc0 | we need to utilize this time to maximum | 16:37 |
| sdake | i think we need to have further discussions on what we wwant to do with that gear | 16:37 |
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| sdake | so we can brainstorm in the main topic | 16:38 |
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| sdake | onto other announcements | 16:38 |
| vhosakot | deploy multinode on that and run some rally tests | 16:38 |
| inc0 | so let's prep tests beforehand, get people working around the clock (thank you timezones) and squeeze as much info as we can | 16:38 |
| sdake | ok lets brainstorm later | 16:38 |
| mandre | sounds like a plan | 16:38 |
| sdake | 3. mlima is up for core reviewer, please vote or abstain - if you plan to abstain please let me know personally so I wont be expecting your vote one way or another tia ;) | 16:39 |
| vhosakot | cool, later.. need to discuss how to bare-metal boot them first before deployng kolla on them | 16:39 |
| sdake | #topic newton-1 | 16:39 |
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| sdake | #ink http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:40 |
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| sdake | everyone has had a nice long two week vacation hopefully after summit | 16:40 |
| sdake | its time to get to work on our objectives for newton | 16:40 |
| sdake | everyone has seen the mailing list mail regarding our commitments made at summit | 16:41 |
| sdake | I'd like to atleast do that work ;) | 16:41 |
| sdake | newton 1 is scheduled for the end of May | 16:41 |
| sdake | we have about 1-2 weeks left, and we haven't done alot of work | 16:41 |
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| sdake | this is normal, as our work is backloaded because we are a relesae:cycle-trailing project | 16:42 |
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| sdake | also we have a general commitment to the openstack community to release z streams | 16:42 |
| sdake | projects typically do these every 45 days | 16:42 |
| sdake | around milestone deadlines | 16:42 |
| sdake | we have a slew of bugs in newton-1 | 16:43 |
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| sdake | what i'd suggest is working on bugs that are in newton-1 that are targeted for backporting | 16:43 |
| sdake | or working on any of our many objectives | 16:43 |
| sdake | anyone have any questions or is blocked in any way? | 16:43 |
| vhosakot | what/where are the bugs targeted for newton-1 ? | 16:44 |
| coolsvap | vhosakot, https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/newton-1 | 16:44 |
| vhosakot | cool.. thanks! | 16:44 |
| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/newton-1 | 16:44 |
| coolsvap | i for one am waiting for some resolution to the rabbitmq but so that we can have some reliance on gates | 16:44 |
| sdake | by "slew" I mean 200+ :) | 16:45 |
| coolsvap | its really big list | 16:45 |
| sdake | coolsvap ya both Jeffrey4l and I are working on that porblem | 16:45 |
| vhosakot | it has bp's + bugs | 16:45 |
| coolsvap | sdake, yes | 16:45 |
| sdake | #topic kolla-kubernetes bootstrapping | 16:46 |
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| sdake | so I'm not sure what Ryan had in mind here | 16:46 |
| sdake | take it away :) | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | :) | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | I wanted to have a discussion about bootstrapping in kolla-kube | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304182/ | 16:46 |
| rhallisey | lines 79-108 | 16:47 |
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| rhallisey | there are 3 scenarios around bootstrapping | 16:47 |
| rhallisey | I'll highlight the problem with the main discussed aproach | 16:47 |
| rhallisey | the idea of having a bootstrap task in kolla-kubernetes may be problematic | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | because kubernetes handles upgrades in a single operation | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | scale down -> scale up | 16:48 |
| rhallisey | if we don't have db_sync built into our container, we can't use kubernetes to handle service upgrades. It would have to be done by ansible | 16:49 |
| rhallisey | or some other orchestration | 16:49 |
| sdake | during upgrades, kubernetes can't run a special container? | 16:49 |
| sdake | there surely must be a way to do some migation work | 16:49 |
| vhosakot | rhallisey: so, can we use kubernetes upgrade to do bootstrapping (initialize the db and create user) ? | 16:50 |
| rhallisey | that would require some orchestreation | 16:50 |
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| inc0 | non trivial one as well | 16:50 |
| sdake | isn't there a jobs object? | 16:50 |
| rhallisey | ya | 16:50 |
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| nihilifer | rhallisey: so, do you see any alternatives more than implementing all the "bootstrap" inside start scripts? | 16:50 |
| inc0 | technically we could run db_sync every time | 16:50 |
| rhallisey | sdake, there is, but we can't just run a job when kubernetes thinks it's time to upgrade | 16:51 |
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| nihilifer | and run every time of course | 16:51 |
| sdake | sounds like a gap in the kubernetes implementaiton | 16:51 |
| eghobo | rhallisey: why not take you initial approach and start the job which will do database upgrade | 16:51 |
| rhallisey | nihilifer, I don't other then orchestration and not using native kubernetes | 16:51 |
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| sdake | imo we should try to use native k8s as much as possible for kolla-kubernetes | 16:51 |
| vhosakot | yes.. good point | 16:52 |
| pbourke-mobile-3 | Could you optionally bootstrap + start in one go | 16:52 |
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| sdake | and if it has gaps we should feed those to upstream to fix them | 16:52 |
| rhallisey | pbourke, yes | 16:52 |
| nihilifer | yes, and if not possible - try to push for features in k8s (i'll have some "announce" on that on the end of meeting ;) ) | 16:52 |
| rhallisey | the solution I'm talking about is: | 16:52 |
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| rhallisey | bootstrapping will bootstrap the db with a special container in the pod. Then the service runs after | 16:52 |
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| rhallisey | upgarde will do a db_sync in a special container, then services get scaled back up | 16:53 |
| sdake | rhallisey seems like this is more of a ml discussion :) | 16:53 |
| inc0 | other issue is, upgrade is more complex than just db_sync | 16:53 |
| rhallisey | inc0, agreed | 16:53 |
| inc0 | for example nova requires some more logic to make it rolling | 16:53 |
| sdake | i'd focus on getting AIO deployed first, upgrade second ;) | 16:53 |
| rhallisey | sdake, ya I agree. Just wanted to highlight this for everyone | 16:54 |
| sdake | there are a slew of problems with just deploying k8s | 16:54 |
| eghobo | rhallisey: could you elaborate pod vs job? | 16:54 |
| rhallisey | so keep an eye on the spec | 16:54 |
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| rhallisey | eghobo, pod is a group of running containers. A job is a task the kubernetes wil execute until completion | 16:54 |
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| rhallisey | sdague, ya i agree. I just don't want to make the wrong decision with bootstrapping and have to remake it with upgrades | 16:55 |
| eghobo | rhallisey: i know it ;) | 16:55 |
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| sdake | rhallisey i think what we need in the upgrade construct is the ability to run a job | 16:55 |
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| sdake | rhallisey its ok to experiment, i expec thits project will take a long timee to mature | 16:55 |
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| eghobo | rhallisey: i am curious why do you need upgrade through special pod vs job | 16:55 |
| sdake | look at all the changes we went through with kolla | 16:55 |
| rhallisey | sdake, ya a job would be ideal. It would tie it well to inc0's point | 16:55 |
| sdake | since the beginning we hvae changed architectures atleasst 4 time :) | 16:56 |
| rhallisey | eghobo, it wouldn't be a special pod. It would be the same pod used during a deployment | 16:56 |
| vhosakot | rhallisey: so, are you saying the native k8s 'upgrade' job can be used to bootstrap services, and a separate task bootstrap.yml is not needed ? | 16:56 |
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| rhallisey | vhosakot, I'm saying that we need to build into these tasks: db_sync, <some upgrade magic> into the deployment template | 16:57 |
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| sdake | #action rhallisey to start thread related to upgrade of kolla-kubernetes (the openstack part) :) | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | the deployment template describe the pod | 16:57 |
| vhosakot | ah ok | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | sounds good sdake thanks | 16:57 |
| sdake | sure | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | just wanted to raise awareness | 16:58 |
| sdake | #topic ansible 2.0 | 16:58 |
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| sdake | we want it all, and we want it now | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible2 | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | this PS works. https://review.openstack.org/317421 | 16:58 |
| rhallisey | nice Jeffrey4l | 16:58 |
| Jeffrey4l | may need some small works. | 16:58 |
| sdake | cool Jeffrey4l already did the job | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | so based off the patch above, people can start grabbing services ans converting the tasks | 16:59 |
| inc0 | rhallisey, not really, you don't need to convert anything | 16:59 |
| inc0 | plays works as used to | 16:59 |
| rhallisey | oh that will work as is | 16:59 |
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| inc0 | yup | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | excellent | 17:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | correct. the gate is green now. | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | cool nice Jeffrey4l | 17:00 |
| vhosakot | nice Jeffrey4l! | 17:00 |
| inc0 | however we can do more, ansible 2 have some stuff that we may use | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | got nothing else | 17:00 |
| inc0 | refactor our modules to be more ansible 2'ish | 17:00 |
| sdake | ya the execution strategies | 17:00 |
| pbourke-mobile-3 | I think theres some todos around "once we have ansible 2" | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | thought there would need to be some task changing | 17:00 |
| rhallisey | ok well whatever they are, can they be highlighted in the blueprint? | 17:01 |
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| pbourke-mobile-3 | Set an action and ill have a look | 17:01 |
| sdake | need folks to add work items to the blueprint | 17:01 |
| vhosakot | refactor meaning use the new modules in Ansible 2.0 ? | 17:01 |
| sdake | #action eveyrone to add their ideas for ansible 2.0 to work items in the ansible2 blueprint | 17:01 |
| vhosakot | cool | 17:02 |
| pbourke-mobile-3 | Thanks! | 17:02 |
| sdake | vhosakot we are never using ansible's docker module again | 17:02 |
| sdake | too painful | 17:02 |
| sdake | i prefer to be in control of our own destiny | 17:02 |
| vhosakot | cool | 17:02 |
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| sdake | #topic gating is busted | 17:03 |
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| sdake | centos in some way is broken | 17:03 |
| sdake | i think jeffrey4l has a fix | 17:03 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l mind describing what you knwo about the issue | 17:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | yes. i am still making some test for this. | 17:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | PS 30 show the current issue https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315860/30 | 17:05 |
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| Jeffrey4l | the hostname is not changed as expected on the centos gate. | 17:05 |
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| Jeffrey4l | i have no idea why. :( | 17:05 |
| Jeffrey4l | because i can not reproduce it locally. | 17:06 |
| sdake | our speculation is that ansible hostname module is broken | 17:06 |
| sdake | possibly related to selinux | 17:06 |
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| sdake | because shell sudo hostname change works right Jeffrey4l ? | 17:06 |
| coolsvap | i am thinking on similar lines and similarly i am not able to reproduce it locally | 17:07 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, correct. | 17:07 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l ok well lets unblock the gate asap | 17:07 |
| Jeffrey4l | yes. | 17:07 |
| sdake | and if you want to further debug - revert the patch in your review above | 17:07 |
| sdake | (the patch that fixes teh problem) | 17:07 |
| sdake | that way you can debug if you like | 17:07 |
| Jeffrey4l | anyway, I will push the workaround soon. | 17:08 |
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| sdake | Jeffrey4l if you can get a shell sudo up for review, and it passes the gate, i'd like quick reviews on it today pls :) | 17:08 |
| Jeffrey4l | roger. | 17:08 |
| sdake | it is sort of blocking all dev | 17:08 |
| sdake | because our core team rightly is trained not to ack changes that don't pass the gate | 17:08 |
| Jeffrey4l | i am working on that. the latest PS is trying to fix the gate. | 17:09 |
| sdake | #topic threat analysis | 17:09 |
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| sdake | at summit we had a 4 hour threat analysis session | 17:09 |
| sdake | we got about half way done | 17:09 |
| sdake | we identified all the modes of operation of our containers | 17:09 |
| sdake | and identified the special snowflakes | 17:09 |
| sdake | if your on this list: | 17:10 |
| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/~kolla-coresec/+members | 17:10 |
| sdake | and no longer want to participate in the obtaining the VMT tag because you have other responsibilites now, pleaes let me know asap | 17:10 |
| sdake | so i can recruit others | 17:10 |
| sdake | we need a team of 5 people | 17:10 |
| sdake | i'd like people on this team to prioritize this work ahead of other work | 17:11 |
| sdake | any questions mandre nihilifer inc0 rhallisey ? | 17:11 |
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| sdake | the next step is for everyone on that list to attend the next openstack security meeting | 17:11 |
| sdake | and attend for 4-6 weeks while we finish the job on TA | 17:11 |
| sdake | after our VMT is done, if anyone would like to act as liason to the VMT and security teams (in place of me) I would super appreciate a volunteer | 17:12 |
| inc0 | where can we find list of stuff left to be done? | 17:12 |
| sdake | I am super overloaded with all the liasion stuff going on inside openstack atm | 17:13 |
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| sdake | inc0 there is no list - something we need to define in the security meeting thursday :) | 17:13 |
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| inc0 | ok | 17:13 |
| sdake | or altnerively on the mailing list | 17:13 |
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| sdake | we need to make some sequence diagrams | 17:13 |
| sdake | one is already made | 17:13 |
| sdake | and then someone needs to wrap it up in ap retty document | 17:14 |
| sdake | I'll be happy to do the wrapping | 17:14 |
| sdake | but need assistance on the diagrams | 17:14 |
| mandre | security team meeting happening on Thu 17:00 UTC | 17:14 |
| mandre | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Security_meeting | 17:14 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 17:15 |
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| sdake | nihilifer you had soehting you wanted to announce? | 17:15 |
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| sdake | anyone else have open items they would like to discuss? | 17:16 |
| nihilifer | yes. i'd like to say that i will participate in k8s community itself - which includes writing code as well | 17:16 |
| sdake | nihilifer so I think what this means is you will be less involved in kolla | 17:16 |
| nihilifer | so if you have any features you would like to see in k8s, don't hesitate to contact me | 17:16 |
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| rhallisey | nick-ma, oh sweet | 17:16 |
| inc0 | cool | 17:16 |
| rhallisey | nihilifer, nic | 17:17 |
| rhallisey | nice | 17:17 |
| rhallisey | nick-ma, sorry | 17:17 |
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| rhallisey | so I talked to an ansible guy I know | 17:17 |
| nihilifer | yes, unfortunately it means i'll be less active in kolla, but i'll try to keep some reviews and commits | 17:17 |
| nihilifer | to not outstand badly from the core team ;) | 17:17 |
| coolsvap | nihilifer, nice all the best! | 17:17 |
| sdake | nihilifer cool - well thanks for your service thus far, and hope you can stick with it, if not I totally understand the two projects at one time thing | 17:17 |
| rhallisey | nihilifer, cool :) | 17:17 |
| vhosakot | nihilifer: cool, and all the best! | 17:18 |
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| sdake | nihilifer you are a pleasure to work with | 17:18 |
| sdake | but lets not send him off that easy ;) | 17:18 |
| rhallisey | ansible: ansible guy I know was interested in bringing in our work around the docker module into 2.x | 17:18 |
| sdake | rhallisey interesting | 17:18 |
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| sdake | expand plz | 17:18 |
| nihilifer | thanks guys :) | 17:18 |
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| rhallisey | I spoke to him and summit. He's someone that use to work in openstack | 17:19 |
| rhallisey | I can start a thread with him | 17:19 |
| rhallisey | gauge his interest | 17:19 |
| sdake | does this ansible person have a name? | 17:19 |
| rhallisey | Ryan.. forget his last name | 17:19 |
| mandre | Brady | 17:19 |
| rhallisey | yes | 17:19 |
| sdake | yup I hired him | 17:20 |
| sdake | know him well :) | 17:20 |
| rhallisey | ya well he was interested in it | 17:20 |
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| rhallisey | so we could work with him if we want to move back to anisble maintaining the module | 17:20 |
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| rhallisey | well they do already, but fixing the issues we need | 17:21 |
| sdake | i am not super hot on that idea | 17:21 |
| sdake | fool me once, shame on you fool me twice shame on me | 17:21 |
| sdake | or something ;) | 17:21 |
| inc0 | well tbh there is small chance for us to be this screwed | 17:21 |
| rhallisey | well I figured I would just throw it out there | 17:22 |
| inc0 | as worst case scenerio we can freeze docker version on 1.10 and ansible on whatever is working | 17:22 |
| sdake | rhallisey we got super screwed over by docker and ansible when nobody would fix the mess made | 17:22 |
| inc0 | we have features we need already | 17:22 |
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| sdake | and it is alot of work to port back over to the ansible modules | 17:22 |
| sdake | with little gain | 17:22 |
| sdake | and alot of pain | 17:22 |
| rhallisey | sdake, we tried to fix the issues and no one listened, but now we do | 17:22 |
| rhallisey | have some one that will listen | 17:23 |
| sdake | i get there is an environmental change | 17:23 |
| sdake | my wife harasses me about it daily | 17:23 |
| rhallisey | idk just a thought | 17:23 |
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| inc0 | worth to consider imho | 17:23 |
| sdake | but the docker module is too important to us to be left to others | 17:23 |
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| inc0 | but well, sdake is true, we'd need to recreate most of tasks | 17:23 |
| sdake | i really dont like pinning | 17:23 |
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| rhallisey | sdake, I mean ansible gains when they make kolla happy | 17:23 |
| Jeffrey4l | i do not think it is a good idea back to use the ansible docker | 17:24 |
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| sdake | i am fully satisified with ansible | 17:24 |
| sdake | i am not satisified with one cat maintaining modules on which our entire community depends | 17:24 |
| sdake | what if he gets hit by an airbus? | 17:24 |
| rhallisey | not saying it would him, but rather the community may care | 17:24 |
| Jeffrey4l | we add much feature on kolla_docker.py which ansible guys will not accept it, i think. | 17:24 |
| rhallisey | who knows | 17:25 |
| inc0 | getting hit by airbus is awfully specific way to dier | 17:25 |
| rhallisey | s/would him/would be him | 17:25 |
| inc0 | boeings are equally dangerous | 17:25 |
| vhosakot | if we use ansible's docker module, will it replace kolla_docker.py that uses the docker python module. kolla_docker.py is great | 17:25 |
| sdake | there is zero wrong with kolla_docker.py | 17:26 |
| sdake | it does exactly what we need | 17:26 |
| sdake | and we know how to maintain it | 17:26 |
| vhosakot | yep.. it is awesome | 17:26 |
| sdake | it is easy to extend | 17:26 |
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| sdake | and it does precisely the job we require and nothing more | 17:26 |
| vhosakot | yes, agreed | 17:27 |
| sdake | lsiten I am as hard core open source as anyone out there | 17:27 |
| vhosakot | was kolla_docker.py written because ansible's docker module is bad ? | 17:27 |
| sdake | in this case, pragmatism wins | 17:27 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, correct | 17:27 |
| sdake | vhosakot broken and unmaintained | 17:27 |
| sdake | completely broken | 17:27 |
| vhosakot | ah ok.. | 17:27 |
| inc0 | this bit backport was caused by this | 17:28 |
| inc0 | ultimately | 17:28 |
| sdake | ya the charlie foxtrot of the liberty rebranching was caused by ansible not maintaing the docker module properly | 17:28 |
| vhosakot | ah I see | 17:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | kolla_docker.py also has a `common_option` param, which reduce the ansible code lines of kolla. | 17:28 |
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| sdake | ok 1 minute ;) | 17:29 |
| sdake | thanks for coming folks | 17:29 |
| sdake | lets get cracking on newton | 17:29 |
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| sdake | we have already done alot of work in n1 prior to summit | 17:29 |
| sdake | time to get back to work :) | 17:29 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 17:29:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-05-18-16.31.html | 17:29 |
| vhosakot | bye | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-05-18-16.31.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2016/kolla.2016-05-18-16.31.log.html | 17:29 |
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| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 17:31:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:31 | |
| dougwig | o/ | 17:31 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:31 |
| boden | o/ | 17:31 |
| HenryG | o/ | 17:31 |
| dougwig | #topic Status | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:31 | |
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| dougwig | my head has been under a rock this past week, so where are we at? | 17:32 |
| HenryG | I don't have anything new for today, except it might be a good idea to make a minor release. | 17:32 |
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| boden | I have 2 things... Do we need to discuss the "minor release" first? | 17:32 |
| dougwig | ok, do you want me to do that, or do you want to learn how? | 17:32 |
| HenryG | Mostly because of the IPv6 constants changes. | 17:32 |
| HenryG | I am always willing to learn. | 17:33 |
| boden | more than happy to learn | 17:33 |
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| dougwig | releases are a matter of filing one of these: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306575/ , and then ask ihar or armax to ack it. | 17:34 |
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| dougwig | just don't do them *too* often. | 17:34 |
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| dougwig | what are your items, boden? | 17:35 |
| boden | last week we talked about investigating moving some of the base agent code into lib | 17:35 |
| boden | I did a quick write-up here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron_lib_base_agent | 17:35 |
| boden | Since I'm new, I figured it would be good to get your comments... Unless you want me to lead with code (fine by me) | 17:36 |
| dougwig | whoa, nice writeup. | 17:36 |
| boden | so either you can try to find time to review that doc + comment, or I can just jump right into some code | 17:37 |
| boden | whatever you prefer | 17:37 |
| HenryG | I need time to read it, but don't let that stop you from submitting some code | 17:38 |
| boden | ok sounds good... I jump into some code and keep an eye on the doc as well | 17:38 |
| boden | the other item was that I left some comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303867/ | 17:39 |
| dougwig | yes, i'll also read it after lunch. | 17:39 |
| dougwig | but don't let that stop you from code. | 17:39 |
| dougwig | what was your other item? | 17:39 |
| boden | ^^ | 17:39 |
| dougwig | oh, right. was coding until midnight, i'm foggy. :) | 17:39 |
| HenryG | Yeah, I need to rebase that patch on master now that the DB stuff is being re-thought. | 17:39 |
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| HenryG | thanks for your comments there boden | 17:40 |
| boden | ok... if you run low on bandwidth, I'm more than happy to try that "rebase" | 17:40 |
| boden | welcome | 17:40 |
| dougwig | feel free to jump in on rebases. ping the person on irc if they're online, but if not, just go for it. | 17:41 |
| dougwig | that's my philosophy, anyway | 17:42 |
| boden | ok, I didn't know if that was kosher | 17:42 |
| boden | that's all the status I have | 17:42 |
| HenryG | Let me give it a first pass today, since it is rebase on both lib and core neutron. | 17:42 |
| boden | I do have a question tho, from our previous topic | 17:42 |
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| boden | back on the neutron-lib release topic... once that "release version" patch merges, automation automatically builds + publishes a new neutron-lib to pypi? | 17:43 |
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| dougwig | boden: correct. it usually happens in minutes. | 17:43 |
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| boden | ok nice | 17:43 |
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| dougwig | just be careful of semver. if we made minor tweaks, make it 0.1.1. if we added features, it must be 0.2.0 | 17:43 |
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| dougwig | alright, any final words, or let's get to coding and reviewing boden's doc. | 17:44 |
| boden | nothing from me | 17:45 |
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| HenryG | me neither | 17:45 |
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| dougwig | #endmeeting | 17:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 17:47:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:47 |
| dougwig | alrighty then | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-05-18-17.31.html | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-05-18-17.31.txt | 17:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-05-18-17.31.log.html | 17:47 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 19:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 19:00 |
| mriedem | RaginBajin can't make it today so i'm running this show | 19:01 |
| mriedem | is anyone around? | 19:01 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:01 |
| rockyg | slow/light day? | 19:02 |
| mriedem | well i guess i'll get started | 19:02 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-irc-meeting-20160518 | 19:02 |
| mriedem | #topic Follow-up on Action Items from last meeting | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Follow-up on Action Items from last meeting (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:02 | |
| mriedem | * Review any additions to the Informal Meetup feedback etherpad | 19:03 |
| mriedem | i don't know what that is | 19:03 |
| mriedem | or where it is | 19:03 |
| rockyg | me either at the moment. | 19:03 |
| mriedem | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-informal-meetup | 19:03 |
| mriedem | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osops-informal-meetup-feedback | 19:03 |
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| rockyg | And I don't know if the infra logstash filters were on that or they were this past week. | 19:03 |
| mriedem | there is nothing in that feedback etherpad | 19:04 |
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| mriedem | ok, moving on | 19:05 |
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| rockyg | true. | 19:06 |
| mriedem | * Review any follow-ups provided by emails sent to operators list regarding feedback for Nova blueprints | 19:06 |
| mriedem | i don't remember seeing much about this | 19:06 |
| mriedem | markus_z was going through old nova wishlist bugs this week and scrubbing those | 19:06 |
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| mriedem | sounded like some were already implemented or had blueprints up | 19:06 |
| mriedem | coincidentally | 19:06 |
| rockyg | cool. | 19:07 |
| rockyg | I don't recall seeing anything else on the ops ml about this. | 19:07 |
| mriedem | moving onto new business | 19:08 |
| rockyg | maybe an info line on the wishlist scrub? | 19:08 |
| mriedem | #info markus_z was going through old nova wishlist bugs this week and scrubbing those | 19:08 |
| mriedem | #topic Additional Participation | 19:08 |
| rockyg | thanks | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Additional Participation (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:08 | |
| mriedem | #help How can we get more operators to even participate in email conversations let alone the group? | 19:08 |
| mriedem | given the attendance at this meeting....idk | 19:08 |
| mriedem | but i'm not ops | 19:08 |
| mriedem | in nova we really just pick on a few known ops people that hangout in nova and know the code base enough to hack on it and be dangerous | 19:09 |
| mriedem | so we run things by them if we don't get traffic in the ML | 19:09 |
| rockyg | Ah. That's good info... | 19:09 |
| mriedem | moving on from this topic i guess | 19:10 |
| rockyg | I think volunteering folks for a session, like the guy who posted the logstash stuff, and advertising his presence might help | 19:10 |
| mriedem | which leads me to something the nova team wanted to bring up for ops attention | 19:11 |
| mriedem | #link disabling deprecated APIs by config?: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-May/010482.html | 19:11 |
| rockyg | Yeah. I was just reading that on the dev ML | 19:12 |
| mriedem | sdague and i just wanted to bring that up, but it's in the ML | 19:12 |
| mriedem | there is some reply already from devs | 19:12 |
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| mriedem | basically nova is going to be deprecating a bunch of proxy APIs and nova-network specific APIs with a microversion, mearning if you request those APIs >= that microversion you get a 404 | 19:12 |
| mriedem | this to ween people off of them | 19:13 |
| rockyg | I think either the original email and a link to the thread (already here) posted to the ops list, or a summary of the thread posted to the ops list will get their attention | 19:13 |
| keekz | mriedem: interesting proposal. i like the idea, +1 from me :) | 19:13 |
| mriedem | the question is would ops like the ability to kill these APIs regardless of the microversion | 19:13 |
| keekz | re: "[Openstack-operators] disabling deprecated APIs by config?" | 19:13 |
| rockyg | plus the config opt to get the 404 at deprecation rather than at eol or not | 19:14 |
| sdague | rockyg: it was posted to the ops list | 19:14 |
| mriedem | so people don't start writing new things against them just to find out later when they get to a more current microversion that they are busted | 19:14 |
| rockyg | sdague, oh. I get ops in digest form. Haven't seen it yet. But haven't read my digest yet, either. | 19:14 |
| mriedem | rockyg: to be clear, you wouldn't get the 404 by default until you're requesting the microversion or higher, i.e. 2.27 | 19:14 |
| mriedem | so those using v2.1 wouldn't see this | 19:15 |
| mriedem | the kill switch idea is to force those APIs to break regardless of microversion | 19:15 |
| mriedem | basically, these deprecated APIs don't work in this cloud, period | 19:15 |
| rockyg | mriedem, right. But, the option to get the 404 would be settable, say in the test cloud or staging cloud | 19:15 |
| mriedem | well, on this API endpoint | 19:15 |
| mriedem | yes | 19:15 |
| mriedem | per endpoint | 19:15 |
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| mriedem | sdague laid out the example uses in the thread | 19:16 |
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| mriedem | anyway, this is just an FYI to get feedback | 19:16 |
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| mriedem | it's going to be a separate spec from the API deprecation work which is going to happen regardless of the kill switch config ability | 19:16 |
| rockyg | There should be some traffic on the ops ml, unless they all agree with the approach ;-) Then, silence. | 19:16 |
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| sdague | yeh it was cross posted to get feedback there as well | 19:17 |
| rockyg | Separate is best. | 19:17 |
| mriedem | well, see "how to get better participation here" above :) | 19:17 |
| mriedem | anywho | 19:17 |
| mriedem | that's all i have | 19:17 |
| rockyg | sdague, will you either write a spec or a BP that you can post for ops comment? | 19:17 |
| mriedem | anyone else have anything for this meeting? | 19:17 |
| sdague | rockyg: right now the email is the proposal | 19:18 |
| sdague | once it fleshes out to concensus, there will be a spec in Nova for this add | 19:18 |
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| rockyg | Excellent. That way there is a second chance for comments. | 19:18 |
| sdague | sure, but comments late are worth less than comments early | 19:19 |
| mriedem | but if no one cares to reply to the thread | 19:19 |
| mriedem | there is like 0 chance they'll know about the spec and comment on it there | 19:19 |
| sdague | comments late are only useful for details, comments early get to shape broad direction | 19:20 |
| mriedem | i.e. we don't get much ops input on specs to begin with | 19:20 |
| rockyg | Ops tend to want to see concrete so they can see exactly how it may affect them | 19:20 |
| sdague | rockyg: please read the email | 19:20 |
| mriedem | rockyg: and by then it's too late most of hte time | 19:20 |
| mriedem | *the | 19:20 |
| mriedem | anyway | 19:20 |
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| mriedem | yes, read the email, everyone and anyone | 19:20 |
| mriedem | anything else here? | 19:20 |
| sdague | nope | 19:20 |
| rockyg | sdague, got through the first three on the thread. It seems straightforward. And you've got one comment here already. | 19:21 |
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| mriedem | alright, ending the meeting | 19:21 |
| mriedem | thanks | 19:21 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 19:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 19:21:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-05-18-19.00.html | 19:21 |
| keekz | thanks mriedem | 19:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-05-18-19.00.txt | 19:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2016/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2016-05-18-19.00.log.html | 19:21 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 19:21 |
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| rockyg | It's close! | 20:00 |
| rockyg | In fact, it's time. Anyone around for log_wg? | 20:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | hello all, the documentation user guide meeting is set to start in about 15 minutes, depending on numbers. | 20:45 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 21:01:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docuserguides' | 21:01 |
| JRobinson__ | Hi All, I suspect this will be a short meeting since it's probably just me today. | 21:02 |
| JRobinson__ | I have at least one discussion point that should be mentioned in the designated meeting time. | 21:02 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic Working with developer teams to document user information | 21:05 |
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| JRobinson__ | What emerged from discussion with developers at the recent Austin Summit was that there are documentation projects moving forward within the developer documentation | 21:07 |
| JRobinson__ | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html | 21:08 |
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| JRobinson__ | Specifically, some docs outlines and skeletons are planned or published here at the developer docs page. | 21:08 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info I have one question - what are the steps involved in reworking some of the information into the User Guides, when developer projects reach maturity? | 21:09 |
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| JRobinson__ | After speaking to some development team's docs liaisons at summit, I had a sense that there was potential for this as a step toward maturity, but how to reach that goal was unclear. | 21:10 |
| JRobinson__ | #Action continue speaking to the Murano team on including the current User Guide content and troubleshooting content into the User Guides | 21:11 |
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| JRobinson__ | ^This is the main discussion I want to continue for Newton. | 21:11 |
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| JRobinson__ | Any feedback or thoughts from anyone in channel for user guides ? | 21:12 |
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| JRobinson__ | Okay, if there are no further thoughts on this, I might leave this discussion for now. | 21:20 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic Current work items | 21:21 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Checking through leftover editing items, and separating out any Information Architecture (IA) points for the user guides | 21:21 |
| JRobinson__ | #Action start this process | 21:21 |
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| JRobinson__ | That is about all for now. Any further questions - please reach out to the openstack docs mailing list. | 21:22 |
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| JRobinson__ | #link openstack-docs@lists.openstack.org | 21:23 |
| JRobinson__ | I check on it in my timezone daily. | 21:23 |
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| JRobinson__ | Thanks all. | 21:23 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 21:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 21:23:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-05-18-21.01.html | 21:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-05-18-21.01.txt | 21:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-05-18-21.01.log.html | 21:23 |
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| JRobinson__ | Hello all, I'll start the APAC User Guide meeting soon, | 23:27 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 23:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 23:31:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docuserguides' | 23:31 |
| JRobinson__ | Morning all o/ I'll start the APAC version of the User Guide team meeting now | 23:31 |
| JRobinson__ | If it's just me, then I'll wrap it up quickly | 23:31 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic Working with developer teams to document user information | 23:32 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info To repeat the information from the USA timezone meeting, I have a question to discuss on working with development teams moving toward maturity | 23:34 |
| JRobinson__ | This emerged from the recent Austin OpenStack Summit | 23:34 |
| JRobinson__ | #info what are the steps involved in working on and reworking developer docs information to appear in the User Guides | 23:35 |
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| JRobinson__ | #action continue speaking to the Murano team on including content into the user guides | 23:37 |
| JRobinson__ | This is what was discussed in the meeting earlier today. | 23:38 |
| JRobinson__ | Are there any further thoughts or ideas on this? | 23:38 |
| JRobinson__ | okay, | 23:41 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Current work items | 23:41 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Checking through leftover editing items, and separating out Information Architecture points for the the User Guide. | 23:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #Action start this process | 23:42 |
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| JRobinson__ | If there are any user guide questions contact the mailing list, or see our contacts page: | 23:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides | 23:43 |
| JRobinson__ | since it's just me today, I'll wrap this up now. | 23:43 |
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| JRobinson__ | thanks all o/ | 23:43 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 23:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 23:43:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-05-18-23.31.html | 23:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-05-18-23.31.txt | 23:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-05-18-23.31.log.html | 23:43 |
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