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| hurgleburgler | piet: is the meeting today? | 15:02 |
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| piet | Hey, do me a favor and click the following http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_UX_Working_Group_Meeting | 15:02 |
| piet | Then click on the time 15:00 UTC and let me know what you get | 15:03 |
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| piet | I show 9AM PDT | 15:03 |
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| piet | hurgleburgler it would be cool if you could confirm | 15:04 |
| hurgleburgler | Converted Time http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/usa/tucson | 15:04 |
| hurgleburgler | 8:00Â AMhttp://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/mst | 15:04 |
| hurgleburgler | that's confusing, since AZ isn't on MST time right now | 15:04 |
| piet | try clicking on the link in eavesdrop | 15:05 |
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| piet | Isn't that weird? | 15:05 |
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| hurgleburgler | so wait, was the meeting an hour ago then? | 15:05 |
| piet | It shows 9AM PST for me | 15:06 |
| piet | Its giving me a headache... | 15:06 |
| ducttape_ | that is weird, I swear I just downloaded that meeting in the last week or two | 15:06 |
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| piet | ducttape_ I downloaded too and it's inconsistent with eavesdrop | 15:07 |
| ducttape_ | who knows.... anything for hurgleburgler or I ? | 15:07 |
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| piet | I was going to give a status, but frankly it will be in the email I will distribute | 15:08 |
| hurgleburgler | k | 15:08 |
| piet | julim Does the meeting start now or in an hour? Eavesdrop seems to say in an hour | 15:08 |
| julim | piet - I think now | 15:09 |
| julim | or 9 min ago | 15:09 |
| piet | ICS says now | 15:09 |
| piet | Let's go ahead and get started -or- you wait for the email that I'm getting ready to distribute in a few minutes | 15:09 |
| piet | And give you your time back | 15:10 |
| piet | Feel like we're cheating by not having this meeting | 15:10 |
| piet | Bad from in the community, so to speak | 15:10 |
| piet | Thoughts? | 15:10 |
| julim | we should have mtg even if short | 15:11 |
| julim | and if the update is to see email you're going to send that's fine | 15:11 |
| piet | Kk | 15:11 |
| hurgleburgler | yeah | 15:11 |
| piet | #startmeeting openstack_ux | 15:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri May 13 15:11:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is piet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:11 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ux' | 15:11 |
| julim | it might be worth sending a calendar invite so folks have it on their calendar | 15:11 |
| julim | I still have it from last year and it's on the wrong weeks | 15:11 |
| piet | julim assuming we get agreement on a time. May need to reach-out to the foundation or TC about this... | 15:12 |
| piet | #topic gratuities woot! | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gratuities woot! (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:12 | |
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| hurgleburgler | \o/ | 15:12 |
| julim | piet - I think time is already decided unless you're thinking to change it again | 15:13 |
| * ducttape_ is super confused right now | 15:13 | |
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| piet | ducttape_ me too - there seems to be some disagreement between the calendar download and clicking on the time in eavesdrop | 15:14 |
| piet | Anyhooo.... | 15:14 |
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| piet | The foundation has agree to provides funding to provide gratuities for user research | 15:15 |
| ducttape_ | let's talk just the same, if there are issues / things to work through ? | 15:15 |
| julim | AWESOME news of gratuties! | 15:15 |
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| hurgleburgler | yeah, great news | 15:16 |
| piet | This is good because it helps attract people that wouldn't ordinarily participate in studies. Seriously, this is epic | 15:16 |
| julim | funding approved for 3 surveys and 4 studies!!! | 15:16 |
| julim | for this release | 15:17 |
| piet | Yep, for the next six months. Important to show value so they continue to provide funding | 15:17 |
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| piet | Any thoughts? | 15:17 |
| piet | Kk | 15:18 |
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| piet | #topic research activities for the next six months | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "research activities for the next six months (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:19 | |
| piet | In may, we are planning to distribute a survey to recruit app developers and deployers for any studies conducted by the community | 15:19 |
| piet | $300 in sweepstakes although we don't know whether to offer three gift certificates or what... | 15:20 |
| piet | Any questions on why we're doing this? | 15:21 |
| piet | Kk | 15:22 |
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| piet | In June, we will be distributing a survey to the recruited app devs to collected richer data than is currently being provided by the semi annual user survey | 15:23 |
| piet | BTW the recruitment survey can be found at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-osux-appdevrecruiter | 15:24 |
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| piet | Thanks for julim for doing most of the work | 15:24 |
| piet | However, feedback from the group is welcome | 15:24 |
| julim | np piet. happy to help. | 15:25 |
| julim | it still can do with some further updates/refinements, and we would appreciate folks taking a look and commenting. thanks! | 15:25 |
| piet | Yep | 15:26 |
| piet | ducttape_ we will be running a study on quotas and operators in July | 15:26 |
| piet | ducttape_ helping operators manage quotas is a priority for us | 15:26 |
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| piet | Thanks to ducttape_ for helping to drive that meeting with stakeholders to discuss quotas | 15:27 |
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| piet | After that, we are planning to focus on personas, APIs, deployer/configuration and OSC | 15:29 |
| piet | Very busy the next six months! | 15:29 |
| piet | Questions? Schedule can be found here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/UX#Research_Priorities_for_Newton | 15:29 |
| piet | #topic user experience track | 15:30 |
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| piet | Hoping to add user experience as a track for the next summit. Thinking it would be good to have the projects talk about how their efforts specifically benefit users | 15:31 |
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| piet | Questions? julim ? ducttape_ ? hurgleburgler ? | 15:32 |
| ducttape_ | sorry, dropped | 15:32 |
| piet | np | 15:33 |
| ducttape_ | no prob on helping out, I like to complain | 15:33 |
| julim | no questions. | 15:33 |
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| piet | ducttape_ thinking that you're supportive of working on quotas | 15:33 |
| julim | thank you piet for all your work and for pushing in all these directions. | 15:33 |
| julim | good progress being made all around! | 15:33 |
| piet | julim thanks! | 15:33 |
| piet | julim feel like we're finally getting some traction. | 15:34 |
| julim | +1 | 15:34 |
| julim | agree would be nice to talk about it at next summit in barcelona | 15:34 |
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| piet | Any other questions? ducttape_ julim hurgleburgler | 15:34 |
| ducttape_ | none from me | 15:35 |
| piet | Kk | 15:35 |
| hurgleburgler | in general or on that subject? | 15:35 |
| julim | none from me | 15:35 |
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| piet | hurgleburgler Did you have a question on this topic? Or should i move on to general discussion? | 15:36 |
| hurgleburgler | nope, i'm good | 15:36 |
| hurgleburgler | we can move on | 15:36 |
| piet | Kk | 15:36 |
| piet | hurgleburgler was there anything else you would like to discuss? | 15:36 |
| hurgleburgler | I was wondering about progress on the replacement for Invision | 15:36 |
| hurgleburgler | You had briefly mentioned it in Austin | 15:37 |
| piet | Good question | 15:37 |
| hurgleburgler | as something infra was going to try and run for us? | 15:37 |
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| piet | #topic Invision replacement | 15:37 |
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| piet | There seems to be more discussion on whether the community should use phabricator or continue to develop on storyboard | 15:38 |
| piet | makes my head hurt a bit | 15:38 |
| piet | storyboard won't have a mock review feature for likely a year | 15:39 |
| hurgleburgler | So, the tool we want to use is located in Phabricator? | 15:39 |
| hurgleburgler | or rather, the one we want to vet | 15:39 |
| piet | hurgleburgler Yep - https://phacility.com/phabricator/pholio/ | 15:40 |
| piet | I'm currently thinking we move to pholio | 15:40 |
| hurgleburgler | What would that take? | 15:40 |
| piet | The infra team has stated they can have pholio up in about two months | 15:40 |
| piet | In production | 15:40 |
| david-lyle | piet: if they choose to go that way | 15:41 |
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| david-lyle | right now I think they've decided to decide | 15:41 |
| hurgleburgler | lol | 15:41 |
| piet | david-lyle yep, that's what I was also told | 15:41 |
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| piet | But we need a new solution ASAP is the feedback I'm currently getting from the team | 15:42 |
| piet | Is that a fair characterization? | 15:42 |
| david-lyle | piet people complain, it's 90% of what we are | 15:42 |
| piet | Cause folks are hating on Invision | 15:42 |
| hurgleburgler | david-lyle: any indication when the decision will be made? | 15:42 |
| piet | david-lyle Heh | 15:42 |
| david-lyle | hurgleburgler: no, but piet can ask :) | 15:43 |
| piet | hurgleburgler on whether to use phabricator or storyoard? | 15:43 |
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| piet | hurgleburgler to give some context, they were having this conversation back in vancouver summit | 15:44 |
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| hurgleburgler | the infra phabricator decision | 15:44 |
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| piet | hurgleburgler The honest answer is we don't know, but will likely take a while | 15:45 |
| hurgleburgler | just wondering | 15:45 |
| piet | hurgleburgler if they move to storyboard then continued development will take significant time | 15:45 |
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| piet | my thinking is that we move to pholio for now | 15:46 |
| piet | If they adopt phab then lucky us | 15:46 |
| piet | If they adopt storyboard then it will be a while before it has a mock review tool | 15:47 |
| piet | thoughts? | 15:47 |
| david-lyle | I just think moving for moving's sake is not a great move | 15:47 |
| hurgleburgler | I thought we would get to evaluate a possible replacement | 15:48 |
| david-lyle | there are real costs to transitioning | 15:48 |
| hurgleburgler | is that not an option? | 15:48 |
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| hurgleburgler | I'll poke at it a bit, maybe I can just get something running for us to look at first | 15:48 |
| piet | Put out an instance of pholio for review but no one tried to use it | 15:48 |
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| hurgleburgler | piet: is it still running? | 15:48 |
| david-lyle | did you post to the ML? or how did you let people know? | 15:49 |
| piet | Because of the stalemate they killed the current instance of phab | 15:49 |
| piet | david-lyle Posted to the status email I send ~ ever week and in a separate email | 15:49 |
| piet | However, I have no problem asking craige to run another instance to evaluate. Let me know... | 15:50 |
| david-lyle | piet: what's the executive summary about what pholio fixes over invision? | 15:50 |
| hurgleburgler | Do you still send those? | 15:50 |
| hurgleburgler | I haven't gotten one in ages | 15:50 |
| piet | Sending one after this meeting | 15:51 |
| piet | last one was a few weeks ago | 15:51 |
| hurgleburgler | How long did it take them to set it up? | 15:51 |
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| hurgleburgler | can we ask them to spin it up again? | 15:51 |
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| david-lyle | history? | 15:51 |
| piet | hurgleburgler I can reach-out to craige and ask | 15:52 |
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| piet | david-lyle what do you mean by history? The phab decision by infra? | 15:52 |
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| david-lyle | piet: that feature seems to be an improvement | 15:52 |
| david-lyle | having a history | 15:53 |
| david-lyle | wondering what else it does better | 15:53 |
| david-lyle | but you can table me for now | 15:53 |
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| piet | You can review, but I recall it provides a history for the mock including when it was updated and comments | 15:53 |
| david-lyle | just seems the benefit should outweigh the transition cost | 15:53 |
| piet | Also, open source and hosted on our servers | 15:54 |
| david-lyle | so was trying to understand the benefits | 15:54 |
| david-lyle | all good things | 15:54 |
| piet | Lemme have them put up and instance and we can evaluate. Sound good? | 15:54 |
| hurgleburgler | \o/ | 15:54 |
| hurgleburgler | Are there any designs coming through the pipe line that we can evaluate it on? | 15:55 |
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| piet | Kk | 15:55 |
| piet | Anything else? | 15:55 |
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| piet | 5 | 15:55 |
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| piet | Good meeting - totally glad we met thanks!!! | 15:56 |
| piet | Have a good weekend! | 15:57 |
| piet | #endmeeting openstack_ux | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri May 13 15:57:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2016/openstack_ux.2016-05-13-15.11.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2016/openstack_ux.2016-05-13-15.11.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2016/openstack_ux.2016-05-13-15.11.log.html | 15:57 |
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