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| nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 13:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 12 14:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| nikhil | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| wxy | o/ | 14:00 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:00 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 14:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:01 |
| tsymanczyk | o\ | 14:01 |
| tsymanczyk | \o | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil | welcome everyone | 14:01 |
| nikhil | let's get started | 14:01 |
| nikhil | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:01 | |
| nikhil | we've a few items today, thanks to mfedosin and flaper87 | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:01 |
| nikhil | I do want to discuss newton specific dates before that | 14:02 |
| nikhil | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | go ahead, I don't think I'll need much time for my items | 14:02 |
| nikhil | first things first: | 14:02 |
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| flaper87 | most of them are heads ups | 14:02 |
| * flaper87 stfu | 14:02 | |
| nikhil | flaper87: cool, ty | 14:02 |
| nikhil | #topic Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| nikhil | #info Glare ( mfedosin ) | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | okay | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | I'm back from vacation | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: welcome back | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | no special activity for Glare was done in last 2 weeks | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | kairat and dshakhray fixed several bugs we had | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | and I updated the spec | 14:04 |
| nikhil | hope you enjoyed | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ | 14:04 |
| nikhil | ok (on the no-activity update) | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | plans to continue the development and implement new features | 14:05 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: ok, it would be nice to discuss the action plan for Glare in the monday's meeting. Also, possible start small discussions on the spec. | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | I got nice feedback on the summit | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: yeah | 14:05 |
| nikhil | great | 14:06 |
| nikhil | anything else on this today? | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | nope | 14:06 |
| nikhil | ty | 14:06 |
| nikhil | #info Nova v1, v2 ( mfedosin , flaper87 , nikhil ) | 14:06 |
| nikhil | So, the spec needs updating, and addressing comments: | 14:07 |
| nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301741/ | 14:07 |
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| mfedosin | kk | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | I'm working on getting the gate ready | 14:07 |
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| nikhil | Look at the summary recap from Matt: | 14:08 |
| nikhil | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094380.html | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315190/ | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | That should allow us to use either version of the API in the gate | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | Nova gets the version from the `/versions` endpoint | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | number of comments soon will exceed the number of lines there | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: LOL | 14:08 |
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| nikhil | Thanks flaper87 | 14:08 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: you bet | 14:09 |
| nikhil | flaper87 is working on disabling the v1 by default to that the gate can run on simply v2 | 14:09 |
| nikhil | flaper87: no, the plan is for nova to have a top level config that will allow them to run either v1 or v2 | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | I think we'll end up with 1 new v1-only job that we'll get rid of in the future. | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: yeah, I meant to say it does check `/versions` now | 14:10 |
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| nikhil | #info the version discovery support has been cancelled | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | IIRC | 14:10 |
| nikhil | flaper87: ok, cool | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | whenever that config is added, we'll update devstack | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | also we have to add removing version discoverability in working items for the spec | 14:10 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: so when this gate is enabled to run just v2, we will know what all drivers/pieces of code fail with v2 | 14:11 |
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| flaper87 | yup, I'll add it as a non-voting gate | 14:11 |
| nikhil | we need to come to an eventual green gate for v2 when the config in nova will be removed and it will be safe to deprecate glance v1 | 14:11 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: yes | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | we'll switch to using v2 as default in the other gates as soon as we're confident enough it won't break | 14:11 |
| * flaper87 stops spamming | 14:12 | |
| nikhil | flaper87: thanks, that's useful too. | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | flaper87: thanks Flavio | 14:12 |
| nikhil | let's keep a weekly sync on #openstack-glance for nova work too. | 14:12 |
| nikhil | moving on if we're done here | 14:12 |
| nikhil | #topic Cross Prj | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cross Prj (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:13 | |
| nikhil | the CP meetings have become ad-hoc only | 14:13 |
| nikhil | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094443.html | 14:13 |
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| nikhil | if anyone wishes to start a CP effort, they will need to act accordingly | 14:14 |
| nikhil | #topic Announcements | 14:14 |
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| nikhil | I sent out the Newton priorities, processes, etc. email | 14:15 |
| nikhil | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094780.html | 14:15 |
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| nikhil | Wanted to ensure everyone was particularly aware about the dates. | 14:15 |
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| * flaper87 hasn't read that email yet | 14:16 | |
| nikhil | We are being very strict on accepting any more specs this cycle, the justification comes in the reviewer bandwidth section. | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | I'll catch up and reply to the thread | 14:16 |
| nikhil | All the necessary commits to glance-specs, glance docs, releases will be done. | 14:16 |
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| nikhil | Feel free to reach out to me with any questions/concerns or ML works. | 14:17 |
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| flaper87 | Last cycle, we tried to focus reviews on specific parts of glance depending on the milestones | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | I think we should do the same this time around | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | it helped with the shortage of reviewers | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | For example, we focused a lot on specs rather than doing code reviews at the beginning | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | then we started switching progressively to code | 14:18 |
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| flaper87 | mostly specs | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | and then progressively to bugs | 14:18 |
| nikhil | ++ to focus on specs | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | and then FF, RCs, etc | 14:18 |
| * sigmavirus24 wasn't around last cycle but this sounds like a solid idea | 14:18 | |
| nikhil | the the dates have been designed for that purpose too. | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | I didn't made that public but I basically silently transitioned everyone towards the reviews we needed | 14:19 |
| * rosmaita is glad sigmavirus24 is around for this cycle | 14:19 | |
| flaper87 | SorryNotSorry :P | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | sigmavirus24: we missed you | 14:19 |
| * flaper87 is not sure if people noticed that | 14:19 | |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: <3 | 14:19 |
| nikhil | I do not want to enforce business from not getting important bugs fixed early in the cycle but the focus needs to be on the specs. | 14:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: that's not guaranteed but I'm going to try to swindle some review time | 14:20 |
| nikhil | the assignment of the cores on the spec is another important factor for understanding if a spec can move in relatively decent pace or we need to think of alternate mechanisms. | 14:20 |
| nikhil | Let's all follow the process completely and see if it works, I will gather feedback in a couple of weeks. | 14:21 |
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| nikhil | An individual already reachout out to me to see if lite-specs will require cores associated. | 14:21 |
| nikhil | reached* | 14:21 |
| nikhil | I think this will help keep focus and good pace. Also, it's easier to work with distributed and flexibly structured team. | 14:22 |
| nikhil | Anyway, the practicality of all this will be known within a few days of adoption. | 14:23 |
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| nikhil | Thanks all for the great input. | 14:23 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:23 |
| nikhil | #topic Glance v2 transaction layer (dshakhray, mfedosin) | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance v2 transaction layer (dshakhray, mfedosin) (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:23 | |
| mfedosin | dshakhray: can you find the links? | 14:23 |
| dshakhray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272118/ | 14:24 |
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| dshakhray | spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315483/ | 14:24 |
| mfedosin | so, in short we have an old issue in glance v2 | 14:24 |
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| mfedosin | when we update an image we rewrite all data in db | 14:24 |
| mfedosin | it leads to 1. race conditions, 2. increased burden on db | 14:25 |
| mfedosin | it's not seen when load is low | 14:25 |
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| mfedosin | but on high-load deployments we saw these issues | 14:26 |
| mfedosin | so, Darja's work is about to fix it | 14:26 |
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| nikhil | ok, so we just need reviews? | 14:27 |
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| mfedosin | the idea is to add transaction layer in domain model that will compare image after and before db layer | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | !ping | 14:27 |
| openstack | pong | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | crap, I got disconnected | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | sorry about that | 14:27 |
| mfedosin | and save only modified attributes | 14:27 |
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| flaper87 | :/ | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | yeah, we need reviews | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | test coverage is really good there | 14:28 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: correct, I had done a brief review on this. | 14:28 |
| nikhil | ok, I guess we need to review the spec first. | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | performance testing results will be done soon | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | sorry, late | 14:29 |
| dshakhray | I spent performance testing with a small number of requests | 14:29 |
| dshakhray | result http://pixs.ru/showimage/yotxru2png_8513882_21907859.png | 14:30 |
| dshakhray | blue line - old code | 14:30 |
| dshakhray | red line - with transaction layer | 14:30 |
| nikhil | dshakhray: english please :) | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | dshakhray: cool :) | 14:30 |
| nikhil | I got the numbers but not what they represent. | 14:31 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: I understand her ;) | 14:31 |
| dshakhray | sorry for my english : ( | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | dshakhray: he meant on the graph | 14:31 |
| mfedosin | we'll talk later about performance testing :) | 14:31 |
| nikhil | #action glance-cores: review spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315483/ | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | your english is great | 14:32 |
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| nikhil | dshakhray: indeed, it's good. | 14:32 |
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| nikhil | dshakhray: please refer a graph that will help us collaboratively provide input. | 14:32 |
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| nikhil | anything else on this topic? | 14:33 |
| mfedosin | we can continue this discussion in the spec comments | 14:33 |
| nikhil | thanks | 14:33 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:33 |
| nikhil | #topic Glance Registry deprecation (flaper87) | 14:33 |
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| nikhil | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094773.html | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | So, this was discussed at the summit to some extent but it needs more "talking" | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | I've sent out that email to kick off the discussion and, hopefully, get feedback from OPs | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | (and anyone, really) | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | SOOOOO, if you have anything to say on this, please do | 14:34 |
| nikhil | flaper87: for some reason (either this has not reached my inbox or got filtered to an unknown place) | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | The feedback so far has been that it might not be actually needed. Except from 1 person (IIRC) that mentioned it's important for them | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: I cross-posted it in dev and ops | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | mmh | 14:35 |
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| flaper87 | perhaps you have it in one of those folders ? | 14:35 |
| nikhil | flaper87: ok thanks. | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | that's it | 14:36 |
| nikhil | I will try to find it and respond. | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | I don't mean to use the meeting to discuss that at this point | 14:36 |
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| flaper87 | I'll bring this topic up again when we have more "data" | 14:36 |
| nikhil | Yes, we also need to research on rolling upgrades that is related to this. | 14:36 |
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| nikhil | moving on | 14:37 |
| mfedosin | can they describe how they use registry? | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: hope to get that info in this thread | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: I need to double check the relation between the registry deprecation and rolling upgrades | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | I'll sync with rosmaita | 14:37 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: we should reach out to that guy from australia, he always shows up at the glance ops sessions | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | It's not clear to me why this depends on rolling upgrades anymore | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: I don't know his name/company :( | 14:38 |
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| flaper87 | Was e from AU or NZ ? | 14:38 |
| nikhil | yes, sync with rolling upgrades researchers | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: I think it's almost other way around ... rolling upgrades depends on this ;) | 14:38 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: flaper87 : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268865/ | 14:38 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: still, no idea why | 14:38 |
| nikhil | look at the bug associated to know how they use it | 14:38 |
| nikhil | the bug is actually a lite-spec | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: i think i can track him down | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: please, thanks :) | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | point him to the thread | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | ok, that's all from me on this topic at this point | 14:39 |
| nikhil | flaper87 rosmaita: Jake Yip (look at the link) | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: thanks | 14:39 |
| nikhil | #topic Deprecate `show_multiple_locations` | 14:39 |
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| nikhil | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313936/ | 14:40 |
| nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313936/ | 14:40 |
| nikhil | flaper87: that's you again, I think | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | I published this draft to kick of a public discussion on this topic | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | I believe we should get rid of that option and manage locations using policies | 14:40 |
| mfedosin | it was kairat dream :) | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | Stuart is on the side that having a way to turn this off is good | 14:40 |
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| flaper87 | so, before I go and start fixing all the gate issues related to this, I wanted to get people's thoughts | 14:41 |
| nikhil | well, I linked it to the Nova spec. | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: so what's the benefit of moving that from one config file to multiple options on the other? | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | It'd be cool to get +1/-1 on the idea | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: you already have all of that ;) | 14:41 |
| nikhil | there are some outstanding questions on the Nova side that we need to see the effect on. | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | you need to have all the policies and that config option | 14:41 |
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| nikhil | flaper87: man, I would probably introduce a few more config options just to make it hard to use it | 14:42 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil: lol | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | That's a different discussion that I'd also be happy to have | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: that would fit perfectly to the current trend of glance | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | When this option was added, we didn't have the granularity in the policy.json file | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | it was then added and the option was kept | 14:43 |
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| flaper87 | I think removing the policies around this would be a step backwards, hence the proposal to remove the other option | 14:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | there's lots of python enforcing admin-only-ness of things that are also in the policy.json file | 14:43 |
| nikhil | I would make the policies as admin by default and yet keep the config option | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | I wish we had another known role for services so that I could make this non-admin only | 14:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil: I think the option should be deprecated though | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: i am in favor of killing option and using policy instead | 14:44 |
| nikhil | sigmavirus24: having policy control is not very descriptive | 14:44 |
| nikhil | for example: with hemanthm 's changes we can define it to be an advanced option | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | I just don't see the point of having it if we're already enforcing it elsewhere and returning better HTTP codes on that path | 14:45 |
| nikhil | and that way, people know to not use it | 14:45 |
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| nikhil | there's no technical reason to keep it | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: are you suggesting switching it to True by default and the policies to admin ? | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: so only problem I have with that is the read side | 14:45 |
| nikhil | but there's operational one | 14:45 |
| nikhil | flaper87: no, both off by default (False and admin) | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | of we currently have policy preventing something, we return apropriate code and tell the user that it was prevented | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | FWIW, I think setting options in a config file is not a problem anymore for OPs. | 14:46 |
| * flaper87 waits for OPs to kill him | 14:46 | |
| nikhil | flaper87: "only trusted deployments with admins are encouraged to use that config option" | 14:46 |
| nikhil | "with advanced admins" | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: but again, we have 4 options to do the same | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | 1 global and 3 granular options | 14:46 |
| nikhil | yes, and that is exactly what I feel we need to make people not use it | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | I don't see the point of the config option except for having 1 key to turn on/off this thing | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | of we move the locations under policies we really can't do that and tell the user that they can't have details of their image because policy prevents them seeing locations and on the other hand if we just hide it we are inconsistent with the rest of the policies | 14:47 |
| nikhil | otherwise, it's a simple policy change for whoever wants read, write or delete. | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | I think adding more config options is the wrong way to communicate something shouldn't be used. Really. | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | s/of/if/ | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | or at least in this case | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: ++ | 14:48 |
| mfedosin | btw, if we have several locations and show_direct_url is enabled, then glance shows only the first one? | 14:48 |
| nikhil | flaper87: the point isn't clear yet. I want the categorization effort to hide this config option very similar to the social networks hide your privacy settings. | 14:48 |
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| flaper87 | I want this config option gone | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | if we take that stand, we're sending pretty clear message that Glance shouldn't be used :P | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | like, BOOOM | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: yes, there is some kind of weird interaction between multiple loc and direct url | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | unfortunately, i can't remember what it is! | 14:49 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: yes (as per the default location strategy) | 14:49 |
| mfedosin | maybe we should deprecate this one as well? | 14:49 |
| mfedosin | because it may confuse users | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | So, let's do this. Let's give ppl some time to think this through and vote next week | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | thoughts? | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | please, comment on the review | 14:49 |
| nikhil | Thanks! | 14:50 |
| mfedosin | I vote for deprecation | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: <3 | 14:50 |
| tsymanczyk | deprecation | 14:50 |
| nikhil | I vote for deprecation of multiple-locations. | 14:50 |
| mfedosin | (feels like I vote for Trump) | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: tsymanczyk put all that on the review, please | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: not the trump part | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:50 |
| nikhil | moving on | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: but That IS good thing :P | 14:50 |
| nikhil | #topic Deprecate `/file` endpoint | 14:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deprecate `/file` endpoint (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:50 | |
| jokke_ | easy, No can do | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: make glance great again! | 14:51 |
| nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313947/ | 14:51 |
| * sigmavirus24 slaps rosmaita's wrist with a ruler | 14:51 | |
| flaper87 | ok, as promissed, I amended the original spec to reflect we're not remiving the `/file` endpoint | 14:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | stop that rosmaita | 14:51 |
| mfedosin | I vote against this time | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | There's a comment from jokke_ on why we shouldn't make it admin only | 14:51 |
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| flaper87 | removing, even. | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | Wait, the title of the IRC topic is misleading | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | go and read the spec | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:52 |
| nikhil | so, I will need to consider this carefully. | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | The spec actually says: Don't deprecate | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: no you don't we just can't do it | 14:52 |
| nikhil | For Nova we need this enabled by default in devstack/gate. | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | Now, I'm on the side this should be admin only for the lack of a better role to have there | 14:53 |
| nikhil | jokke_: correct, I need to think for all the reasons why not so that we don't discuss this again :) | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | The reasons I don't think we should have this open are the same reasons we've expressed in the import spec | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | nova and Cinder are relying on it and good luck convincing them to change that now after all this v2 hassle | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | We want to move away from this endpoint as a public endpoint | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | users *must* use the new workflow | 14:53 |
| nikhil | No, it has been agreed that Nova will use this endpoint | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | whereas internal services can use the old one | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: unfortunately we do not have ways to do that reasonably either | 14:54 |
| nikhil | Now, flaper87 needs to chat with the Service Catalog TNG folks to determine if this is even a possiblity | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: what? | 14:54 |
| * flaper87 just realized he needs to talk to the Service Catalog TNG team | 14:54 | |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:54 |
| nikhil | flaper87: the summit discussion did not clarify if we will differentiate between public and private glance installations. | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: right, #sadpanda | 14:54 |
| nikhil | and people are generally against that idea | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | only way to do this is to deploy specific public nodes and prevent using /file in policy | 14:55 |
| nikhil | (because it doesn't make sense for small scale clouds) | 14:55 |
| * rosmaita is confused and scared by the Service Catalog TNG | 14:55 | |
| flaper87 | well, you can't tell people how to deploy their stuff. Glance not differentiating public/private doesn't mean others won't | 14:55 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: yep, me too. | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: that's the way people are deploying glance today, AFAIK | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: correct | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: which is why I went ahead and proposed making it admin only | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | since you can open it internally | 14:56 |
| nikhil | yes, but we need to start thinking of what comes out of a devstack pull. | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | sorry, too many different convos in parallel | 14:56 |
| nikhil | sorry, we're running out of time | 14:56 |
| nikhil | need to discuss this later | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: and small deployments hates it because they need the resources to run those nodes even they don't need the capacity for it | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | Again, folks, please, comment on the spec | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | This is an important change | 14:56 |
| nikhil | #topic Refactor glance_store public API | 14:56 |
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| nikhil | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315025/ | 14:56 |
| nikhil | flaper87: you have 1 min | 14:57 |
| nikhil | :) | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | Again, as promissed, I got my stuff done! :) | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | go and review the spec | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | period | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | actually, +2A and we're good | 14:57 |
| flaper87 | I'll buy beers for everyone | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 14:57 |
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| * flaper87 is on top of his s@$#@$@ today | 14:57 | |
| * flaper87 is done | 14:58 | |
| nikhil | I almost feel we need to have spec related syncs | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | thanks for listening | 14:58 |
| nikhil | anyway, thanks flaper87 | 14:58 |
| nikhil | #topic open discussion | 14:58 |
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| nikhil | 90 seconds | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: no, please, no other meetings/syncs :D | 14:58 |
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| mfedosin | flaper87: I like this spec | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: w000h000 | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | and will review it | 14:58 |
| nikhil | flaper87: yeah, there's no plan. But I will ping people ad-hoc for syncs. | 14:58 |
| hemanthm | need help with improving the help text | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: thanks | 14:58 |
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| tsymanczyk | ad hoc syncs at least, yes please. | 14:59 |
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| nikhil | so, from next week onward | 14:59 |
| tsymanczyk | sometimes i worry that i'm off in the weeds. cannot be the only one. | 14:59 |
| hemanthm | here are the options https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/improving-glance-config-opts (please feel free to pick up a few of them you are comfortable with) | 14:59 |
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| nikhil | we will limit the agenda to 4 items + open discussion (and updates) | 14:59 |
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| nikhil | you need to post the agenda by Wednesday 2100 UTC to get it approved for the Thurs meeting | 15:00 |
| nikhil | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
| nikhil | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 12 15:00:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-05-12-14.00.html | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-05-12-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| matt-borland | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-05-12-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
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| TravT | o/ | 15:01 |
| yingjun | o/ | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
| lei-zh | o/ | 15:01 |
| sjmc7 | ello | 15:02 |
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| TravT | hello everybody! | 15:02 |
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| TravT | so meeting agenda is here | 15:02 |
| TravT | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
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| TravT | please add anything you see fit | 15:02 |
| lakshmiS_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| TravT | i'm going to skip the first topic and come back to it, because i don't see tyr yet | 15:03 |
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| TravT | #topic versioned notifications | 15:03 |
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| TravT | So, we brought it up a bit last week | 15:04 |
| TravT | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093962.html | 15:04 |
| TravT | in the context of the nova v2 cells announcement that they were going to look into searchlight for multi-cell deployments | 15:04 |
| TravT | i spent some time going through the specs | 15:04 |
| TravT | and chatted a bit with sjmc7 | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | i was honored | 15:05 |
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| TravT | i'll just share a few thoughts and then maybe yingjun also had some time | 15:05 |
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| TravT | to look over things | 15:05 |
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| TravT | anyway, it seems that versioned notifications will certainly help with being able to tell when notification payloads change | 15:05 |
| TravT | but they don't necessarily guarantee we'll get all the data | 15:06 |
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| sjmc7 | well, that depends what they decide to do :) | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | or have they made a decision? | 15:06 |
| TravT | spec is still unchanged | 15:06 |
| TravT | still has a few -1's | 15:06 |
| TravT | i went to what I thought would be the meeting time this week | 15:06 |
| TravT | but nobody appeared | 15:07 |
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| TravT | so maybe they are still doing in every two weeks | 15:07 |
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| sjmc7 | so there actually is a chance it’ll make things worse than now if they become just a delta | 15:07 |
| TravT | sjmc7 do you want to explain that a bit for everybody here | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | right now notification payloads are mostly identical indepdenent of the event | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | and they contain a (mostly) full representation of the instance | 15:08 |
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| sjmc7 | there is some talk of moving to sending payloads that are deltas of what the event changed | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | since elasticsearch has no ‘update’ mechanism per se, it’s a bit more work for us to do that (though not insurmountable) | 15:09 |
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| sjmc7 | but it increases the risk of dangerous race conditions | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | because we can no longer ignore notifications older than the record we have stored | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | right now it’s moot since we hit nova’s API but we really need to stop doing that if possible | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | i’m done explaining | 15:11 |
| TravT | sjmc7: i'm not sure exactly where is the best place to leave those comments, but maybe you could just add them to this spec in the comments so they are captured somewhere | 15:11 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286675/ | 15:11 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, will do | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | it’s not clear what the motiviation for making the versioned change is (i.e. the specific use cases) | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | so we’ll see how much influence we have | 15:12 |
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| TravT | so, the main motivation as i understand it is so that consumers know when the payload changes | 15:12 |
| TravT | eg. version 1.0 of notification to version 1.1 to 2.0 | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | which consumers though? | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | i get the overall reasoning, i’m just not sure what drives specific decisions | 15:13 |
| TravT | that is unclear and is part of the spirit of the notes i left on the spec | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | but i guess we’ll find out | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | the advantage of it all though is that they can potentially add info to payloads | 15:14 |
| TravT | yes. | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | which might let us stop mashing at nova’s api | 15:14 |
| TravT | so, sjmc7 and i were thinking that we should do the following in newton | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | interestingly, one counter argument was that it would actually be better if services could query nova’s api more cheaply and do exactly what we do now | 15:14 |
| TravT | 1) update our callbacks and mapping to nova to request the latest version | 15:15 |
| TravT | 2) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/nova-optionally-disable-some-events | 15:15 |
| TravT | 3) keep working on versioned notification with the nova team as consumers, but since we can't count on them 100% do 1) & 2) | 15:16 |
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| TravT | thoughts? (hope we didn't suck the oxygen out of the room) | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | breathe! | 15:17 |
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| rosmaita | i got nothin' | 15:17 |
| TravT | rosmaita coffee running low today? ;) | 15:17 |
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| rosmaita | TravT: just one large this morning, guess that's the problem | 15:18 |
| * rosmaita needs another coffee with extra oxygen | 15:18 | |
| TravT | well, i know we just threw a lot of info out there | 15:18 |
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| TravT | we can come back to this if others have more thoughts. | 15:19 |
| TravT | #topic backport 0.2.1 | 15:19 |
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| TravT | still wanting to finish out items so we can tag stable/mitaka | 15:19 |
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| TravT | definite ones are bugs relates to ES 2.0 | 15:20 |
| TravT | i believe this is the last one for the service: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311834/ | 15:20 |
| sjmc7 | gonna look at it again today. it was more complicated than i initially thought | 15:21 |
| TravT | okay | 15:21 |
| TravT | can you also cherry pick this one to stable/mitaka: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307504/ | 15:21 |
| TravT | ? | 15:21 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah. looks like there’s a merge conflict but i’ll do it after this | 15:22 |
| TravT | sjmc7: i think backporting the nova spec could be a follow on backport | 15:22 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307504/ | 15:22 |
| TravT | oops | 15:22 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/nova-optionally-disable-some-events | 15:22 |
| TravT | for a different release tag | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, that’s fine. we’re not really meant to backport features, though this one’s kind of a bug-ture | 15:22 |
| TravT | yeah, it could perhaps be considered a scalability bug... | 15:23 |
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| TravT | ok, still not tyr or david-lyle it looks like, so will come back to the searchlight ui topic | 15:23 |
| TravT | looks like rosmaita topic is next | 15:23 |
| david-lyle | TravT: I'm here | 15:24 |
| TravT | hey david-lyle | 15:24 |
| david-lyle | just reading along | 15:24 |
| TravT | okay | 15:24 |
| TravT | #topic upcoming changes to glance that will affect the searchlight plugin | 15:24 |
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| TravT | rosmaita: ^ | 15:24 |
| rosmaita | ok | 15:24 |
| rosmaita | the change is that there will be more image 'visibility' values | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | we like a challenge :) | 15:25 |
| rosmaita | and the community scheme will allow people to create quasi-public images | 15:25 |
| rosmaita | anyone can use them | 15:25 |
| rosmaita | but they only appear in your image-list if you "bookmark" them | 15:25 |
| rosmaita | by using the member-list thing we already use for 'shared' images | 15:25 |
| rosmaita | and 'shared' will become an actual visibility | 15:25 |
| rosmaita | and after that, there's a push for what i'm calling 'protected' images | 15:26 |
| rosmaita | (though there will be bikeshedding over the name) | 15:26 |
| rosmaita | these will be images that appear in the default image-list of descendant tenants in the keystone hierarchical tenancy scam | 15:26 |
| rosmaita | i mean 'scheme' | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | hahahaha | 15:27 |
| TravT | lol | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | tip your waiter! | 15:27 |
| rosmaita | so, it occurs to me that that is a lot of logic to be duplicating into the searchlight plugin | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | yeah :( | 15:27 |
| david-lyle | still don't understand why HMT won't die | 15:27 |
| rosmaita | and also, i wonder whether there is any thing we can do in glance to make this easier for indexing | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | as long as we know what it is towards the end of a release, it’s not a huge deal | 15:27 |
| TravT | community concept didn't initially freak me out (maybe it should), but that second one scares me | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | the big concern is that we are never more permissive than glance | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | right | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | anyway, i wanted to put this on people's radar | 15:28 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, thanks. are there specs/bps for this? | 15:28 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271019/ | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | on the agenda | 15:28 |
| TravT | so rosmaita, shared will actually be a value now? | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | ah! splendid | 15:29 |
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| rosmaita | TravT: yes | 15:29 |
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| TravT | and all deployments will get this by default? | 15:29 |
| TravT | for v2? | 15:30 |
| rosmaita | well, it will be in newton (if the spec is approved) | 15:30 |
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| * rosmaita has 50 windows open and can't find the relevant ones | 15:30 | |
| TravT | community sounds pretty easy | 15:30 |
| rosmaita | here's the community spec, close to approval: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271019/ | 15:31 |
| TravT | the diff between get by ID actually is a new use case... | 15:31 |
| TravT | :-S | 15:31 |
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| rosmaita | the multitenancy stuff is discussed here, though it's preliminary: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-image-visibility-changes | 15:32 |
| TravT | basically, community is "if i know the ID of it, I can get it directly". "If i'm added as a member to it, I can list it" | 15:32 |
| TravT | rosmaita: ? ^ | 15:32 |
| rosmaita | TravT: yes, plus you can discover community images | 15:32 |
| rosmaita | GET v2/images?visibility=community | 15:33 |
| TravT | how do you discover them? | 15:33 |
| rosmaita | and the listing is subject to the member_status==accepted, just like shared images | 15:33 |
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| rosmaita | anyway, just wanted to request a quick look-over if y'all have some free time, just to point out if we're proposing anything insane | 15:35 |
| TravT | thanks! | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | as long as we can translate the api to filters we’re good | 15:35 |
| TravT | what's the probability of all this making it into newton? | 15:36 |
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| TravT | from a glance perspective | 15:36 |
| TravT | rosmaita would you mind opening a searchlight BP for each of these? | 15:36 |
| rosmaita | you make it sound so easy | 15:37 |
| TravT | :) | 15:37 |
| TravT | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+addspec | 15:37 |
| TravT | ;) | 15:37 |
| rosmaita | sorry, that comment was addressed to sjmc7 | 15:37 |
| rosmaita | but sure, i can open a bp | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 15:37 |
| rosmaita | for each | 15:37 |
| rosmaita | community should make it into newton | 15:38 |
| TravT | everything is easy for sjmc7... at least he makes it look that way | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | i’m actually juggling plates right now | 15:38 |
| TravT | okay, next topic | 15:39 |
| TravT | was hoping tyr might show up | 15:39 |
| rosmaita | nikhil has 'image sharing changes' as a priority for newton, that will def include the community spec, possibly the hierarchical | 15:39 |
| rosmaita | (sorry, i have severe typing lag today) | 15:39 |
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| nikhil | ++ | 15:39 |
| TravT | okay cool | 15:40 |
| TravT | rosmaita all done with this topic for now? | 15:40 |
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| rosmaita | yep | 15:40 |
| TravT | #topic Searchlight UI as top level Dashboard instead of panel | 15:41 |
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| TravT | tyr isn't here, but we have matt-borland and david-lyle | 15:41 |
| matt-borland | o/ | 15:41 |
| TravT | i took a screenshot http://imgur.com/a/p7dmB | 15:41 |
| TravT | basically right now, the SL ui is a panel under the "Project" dashboard | 15:41 |
| TravT | tyr has a patch up to move it into its own dashboard | 15:42 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313666/ | 15:42 |
| TravT | right now, you can already check an option to search across projects from the SL dashboard (if you are admin) | 15:42 |
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| TravT | and with yingjun's latest patch merging (hypervisors), SL now also has data that is admin only and only shown to admins | 15:43 |
| TravT | david-lyle had some comments on the patch above^ | 15:43 |
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| TravT | so, just wanted to open this up for any additional discussion | 15:44 |
| david-lyle | I just wanted to point out that mixing admin and owner roles can be confusing to users as well as complicate the action invocation | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | i’m not a huge fan of it | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | from a consistency standpoint i think it makes more sense to make it available from Project and Admin | 15:45 |
| sjmc7 | for pretty much the same reasons as david-lyle | 15:45 |
| matt-borland | sjmc7, does that basically mean that scope is limited to project when within 'project', and across projects when in 'admin'? | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | i think the usage is likely to be quite different in those two contexts | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | yeah | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | it would also allow us to potentially define changes in behavior in the two contexts | 15:46 |
| david-lyle | an admin very rarely wants to do more than observe unless cleaning up a problem | 15:46 |
| david-lyle | where as an admin acting on their own project will make changes freely | 15:47 |
| matt-borland | I think that although it seems strange from a dev's perspective, 2 searches makes more sense from an implementation/use perspective | 15:47 |
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| david-lyle | the line of ownership gets blurry | 15:47 |
| matt-borland | also is becomes really unclear how/when you can perform actions on the project side | 15:48 |
| TravT | so, david-lyle we have also talked about top-nav search (a searchbar from top nav). if a user clicked into that, wouldn't that face a similar problem. | 15:48 |
| matt-borland | (when you lump everything together across projects) | 15:48 |
| sjmc7 | two searches also allow us to e.g. change default columns without it looking weird | 15:48 |
| sjmc7 | the top search wouldn’t have actions in the same way, at least in the incarnation we showed in vancouver | 15:48 |
| david-lyle | TravT: yes and no, depending on whether you expose the actions or redirect | 15:48 |
| TravT | but would you link them into projects or into admin | 15:48 |
| david-lyle | yes | 15:48 |
| david-lyle | there is some UX needed to make that choice clear | 15:49 |
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| sjmc7 | off the top of my head i’d defauit top search to all but make it clear in results which ones were in your current project | 15:49 |
| david-lyle | sjmc7: ++ | 15:49 |
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| sjmc7 | being in the left-nav causes a lot of the inconsistency for me | 15:50 |
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| TravT | so, here's a couple of items to consider either way | 15:50 |
| sjmc7 | it feels like it fits more neatly in the existing dashboards to me | 15:50 |
| TravT | the available plugins will need to expose context | 15:50 |
| TravT | right now, if you come in with an admin token and list plugins, you just get them all | 15:51 |
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| TravT | so if the ui remains in project and gets an admin one, then project should not show them | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, there is a BP to implement ‘admin only’ plugins whatever that means | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | i agree that’s currently a bit weird. although it’s weird however this discussion goes | 15:51 |
| TravT | there also is another alternative to think about if we go with a global search | 15:52 |
| TravT | maybe SL could provide data on each item as to why you got it? | 15:52 |
| david-lyle | another option is change how the actions are invoked | 15:52 |
| TravT | the only way I know of doing this would be to to do both a project scoped search and if admin also doing admin scoped search | 15:52 |
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| TravT | and then mark the admin only ones as such | 15:53 |
| david-lyle | if there is a choice of admin vs owner, make the user explicitly select that | 15:53 |
| david-lyle | could still be in a separate dash | 15:53 |
| david-lyle | I just think the UX needs more thought | 15:53 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, i’m not gonna argue it to death | 15:53 |
| * david-lyle trails the discussion a bit | 15:53 | |
| sjmc7 | but this discussion might’ve been better with some mockups beforehand rather than a full review | 15:54 |
| TravT | the actions are definitely problematic | 15:54 |
| david-lyle | 2 things to be separate dash | 15:54 |
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| david-lyle | 1) clear indicator of ownership vs not | 15:54 |
| david-lyle | 2) very explicit user choice as to scope of the action | 15:54 |
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| david-lyle | again fixable, but it's not just as trivial as throwing the views into a new dash | 15:55 |
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| TravT | the scope of actions seems rather tricky... with a lot of possible implications. | 15:57 |
| david-lyle | yes | 15:57 |
| david-lyle | and batch actions become a nightmare of scope | 15:57 |
| david-lyle | not sure whether those are in plan | 15:57 |
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| sjmc7 | ooo! | 15:58 |
| TravT | okay, so, we are low on time, but i'd like to continue this discussion later if possible. | 15:59 |
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| sjmc7 | in the thunderdome! | 15:59 |
| TravT | i think we need a little matrix of scenarios | 15:59 |
| TravT | in any case, i think we need to give more info on plugins | 16:00 |
| TravT | or filter by project or something | 16:00 |
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| TravT | but we are out of time for this meeting | 16:00 |
| TravT | thanks everybody | 16:00 |
| matt-borland | good discussion, good points! | 16:00 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 12 16:00:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-05-12-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-05-12-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-05-12-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 12 16:01:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Ansible)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' | 16:01 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:01 |
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| prometheanfire | already here :P | 16:02 |
| andymccr | o/ | 16:02 |
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| michaelgugino | here | 16:02 |
| ametts | o/ | 16:02 |
| asettle | yep | 16:03 |
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| v1k0d3n | o/ | 16:04 |
| jmccrory_ | o/ | 16:04 |
| stevelle | o/ | 16:04 |
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| odyssey4me | Howdy all :) | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Shall we retire https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-py_from_git ? | 16:05 |
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| cloudnull | o/ | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | yes | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | We've managed to eradicate this role from stable/mitaka and master. The question is whether we should keep it around because it may be useful to someone, or whether we should retire it? | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | let it die | 16:06 |
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| andymccr | if we're not using/testing it - i think we should let it die | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, that's my sentiment | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | any objections to doing this? | 16:07 |
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| jasondotstar | o/ | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | alright, I'll process the retirement in the next week | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to retire https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-py_from_git | 16:09 |
| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Tests Repo | 16:09 |
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| odyssey4me | At the summit we discussed splitting the tests from the openstack-ansible repo into its own repo. | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | I wanted to discuss whether this repo should include the bootstrap-host role, or whether we think the bootstrap-host role should be in its own repo? | 16:10 |
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| prometheanfire | I'm in favor of it being in it's own repo | 16:10 |
| prometheanfire | I think it's still useful outside of tests | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | my hope is that we can create a tests repo and consolidate all integrated and role test stuff into it, hopefully massively reducing duplication | 16:11 |
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| stevelle | I'm confused about moving tests to their own repo | 16:12 |
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| stevelle | obviously I missed that discussion | 16:12 |
| andymccr | my understanding is we'd have a generic "test" repo so we can facilitate the tests for the indivdual repositories, | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | ^ +1 | 16:13 |
| andymccr | at the moment we have a situation where any minor change to the generic testing parts needs to change in the 15 or so repos | 16:13 |
| andymccr | but i dont think it needs to do ALL the things | 16:13 |
| andymccr | that may be overcomplicating it | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | essentially there is a lot of duplication in the test plays & vars across the roles, so the general idea is to put the common requirements there and have the roles consume those things and only hold the things special to the role | 16:13 |
| andymccr | to start with we probably just need keystone, galera, rabbit, memcache | 16:13 |
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| andymccr | then individual test-vars and inventory/host_vars/group_vars can be included in the roles themselves - which would customize the testing. | 16:14 |
| stevelle | I'd suggest we have that stuff centralized if we want to use it: it's in the os_keystone repo | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | ok, so the burning need is primarily for the roles right now | 16:14 |
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| jmccrory_ | prepare-host test playbooks are already starting to drift between IRRs with multi distro changes | 16:15 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, keeping them similar is becoming a lot of work | 16:15 |
| andymccr | yeh we need to make this happen sooner rather than later. | 16:16 |
| andymccr | i already ran into a few bugs that would take a fix to each repo | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | also, for new projects coming in it'd be very useful to have them simply 'include' a base set of infra and build on it | 16:16 |
| andymccr | agree | 16:16 |
| andymccr | but id like to keep it as simple as possible upfront | 16:16 |
| stevelle | ^ | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | ok, how do we want to approach doing this? | 16:16 |
| andymccr | we can grow it as needed - im scared of over engineering a "DO ALL THE THINGS" testing plan that we really dont need right now | 16:16 |
| stevelle | I'd be concerned about it growing to be a rubbish heap | 16:16 |
| stevelle | is there a PoC to see scope yet? | 16:17 |
| andymccr | stevelle: not yet | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | does one person want to try it out on a github repo for a PoC - then we look at it together, discuss it and take it from there? | 16:17 |
| andymccr | odyssey4me: i'll give it a go | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | everyone good with that? | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | what do we want as a success criteria here? | 16:18 |
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| andymccr | im gonna say glance, keystone, nova, swift all working with a base set of "generic" tasks from a repo? | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | I would suggest a review in for at least two openstack roles that consume a shared set of test configs/resources | 16:18 |
| andymccr | sounds good | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | glance/keystone/nova/swift actually sounds like a good set | 16:19 |
| andymccr | i might skip glance if it's taking too long :P but yeah. | 16:19 |
| andymccr | i think it'll be the easiest to get working upfront | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | sure, I was going to suggest that you could | 16:20 |
| stevelle | good plan | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | ok, we'll discuss it again every week and can always review in time too | 16:20 |
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| odyssey4me | #action andymccr to PoC a role test repository | 16:20 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Ops/Contrib Repo | 16:21 |
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| odyssey4me | At the summit we also discussed having some sort of Ops/Contrib repository where users of OSA could share related plays, tools, or whatever | 16:21 |
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| michaelgugino | I like that idea, I don't have anything really pressing to put in it at the moment. | 16:22 |
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| odyssey4me | one thing we could do is direct these sorts of contributions into https://github.com/openstack/osops-tools-generic/ | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | OsOps is an Operator community working group. | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | We could submit reviews to have an openstack-ansible folder in there and add the same sort of things | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | my thinking is that it could improve exposure, and also means that we don't have to manage the dumping ground | 16:24 |
| michaelgugino | that repo hasn't had a merge since feb. | 16:24 |
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| odyssey4me | yeah, they're still a pretty new group and the operators are notorious for being too busy to submit code reviews ;) | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | we could, of course, have our own repo and then just add our repo to the bottom of their README as an additional resource | 16:26 |
| michaelgugino | I like that idea | 16:26 |
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| odyssey4me | any thoughts on a repo name for this? | 16:27 |
| stevelle | I like the idea of supporting the osops program | 16:27 |
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| stevelle | but that has problems as noted | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | something like openstack-ansible-contrib ? | 16:28 |
| spotz | If not supporting osops what about osaops - yeah I'm late | 16:28 |
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| michaelgugino | contrib is too developer sounding | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | not a fan of osaops myself - I'd rather not label it 'ops' but instead prefer to keep it generic | 16:30 |
| michaelgugino | maybe something like 'add-ons' or something a non dev would use | 16:30 |
| michaelgugino | 'extensions' even | 16:30 |
| spotz | add-ons is nice | 16:30 |
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| michaelgugino | or 'extras' | 16:30 |
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| michaelgugino | we should also change our name from OpenStack-Ansible to something like the other projects (a cute name that means nothing). I propose 'Jingle' | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | hahaha | 16:31 |
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| odyssey4me | extras I'm ok with I thikn | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | *think | 16:32 |
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| odyssey4me | lol, renaming won't happen - it will break every downstream consumer | 16:32 |
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| odyssey4me | any objections to creating an openstack-ansible-extras repository for the purpose of contributors to share stuff outside of the integrated build? | 16:34 |
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| spotz | +1 | 16:36 |
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| odyssey4me | jmccrory automagically cloudnull d34dh0r53 stevelle mattt hughsaunders andymccr mhayden ping - hello anyone there? | 16:36 |
| andymccr | i think my only concern is how we define what goes into that repository | 16:37 |
| stevelle | I'm not a hard no on 'extras' at all, just not sure it gives good guidance about what goes into it. Thinking about it :) | 16:37 |
| andymccr | yeah i dont mind hte name | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | i like osaops | 16:37 |
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| spotz | yeah cloudnull:) | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | ie openstack-ansible-ops ? | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | but im not -1 on extras | 16:38 |
| d34dh0r53 | ^ | 16:38 |
| andymccr | that seems fine to me | 16:38 |
| d34dh0r53 | openstack-ansible-ops looks good to me | 16:38 |
| d34dh0r53 | extras seems a little vague to me | 16:39 |
| andymccr | i guess we can create the repo and define the other criteria once we start seeing traction/use cases | 16:39 |
| spotz | andymccr: I'm assuming stuff would still get reviewed so we'd be able to say something wasn't right for the repo | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, at this point I'm looking to create the repo with nothing in it - I can then propose an initial readme where we can discuss scope and define it | 16:40 |
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| odyssey4me | I intend to also seed an initial bit into the repo to 'set the scene'. | 16:41 |
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| michaelgugino | osaops singles a little narrowly focused, but I'm not sure what wouldn't fit under 'ops' that would go in there, so I suppose it's doable. Just calling it ops seems like it's saying 'you definitely want what's in here' | 16:41 |
| michaelgugino | when I think it's more of a 'you might want some of what's in here' | 16:41 |
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| odyssey4me | It'll basically be a doc describing how you can implement NTP across all your hosts using Ansible, the OSA dynamic inventory and an Ansible Galaxy role | 16:42 |
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| jmccrory | that sounds good. maybe more of the pre-setup tasks that get asked about, networking, disks, etc | 16:43 |
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| odyssey4me | yep, that's exactly what I'd like to see go in there | 16:43 |
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| odyssey4me | cloudnull has some magic to setup all the networking given a set of assumptions | 16:43 |
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| odyssey4me | these are all useful things, but not things we want to make promises about in the integrated build | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | yes thats in my osic repos | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | https://github.com/os-cloud/osic-ironic-impl/tree/master/templates | 16:44 |
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| odyssey4me | I think openstack-ansible-ops would be fine. While I agree with michaelgugino that it does suggest a limited scope, I think useful things for operators is the primary target. | 16:45 |
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| cloudnull | I also have preseeds for host paritioning and other things if we want to move those bits | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull yeah, all those things would be nice to include there for broader exposure | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | and I'll share the repo presence with the osops community | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | alright, let's go with that | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to request the creation of a blank openstack-ansible-ops repository to carry useful plays/tools for operators | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Open discussion | 16:47 |
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| odyssey4me | Considering we're pretty much done for time I figured I'd open it up for open discussion instead of continuing with the agenda | 16:48 |
| spotz | Is anyone working on the conversion of os-horizon? Don't want to pick one someone's working on | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | if no-one has anything specific then I wouldn't mind discussing the Mid Cycle | 16:48 |
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| cloudnull | its all your ;) | 16:48 |
| stevelle | spotz: I had hoped to but pulled my name off, just not finding time | 16:48 |
| spotz | Thanks stevelle, I accidently picked one cloudnull was working on last time so want an unloved one:) | 16:49 |
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| michaelgugino | cloudnull: have you started the keystone work for xenial? | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | I have not | 16:50 |
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| michaelgugino | I was thinking about picking that up if you don't mind | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | go ahead | 16:50 |
| michaelgugino | alright, will do. | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | ive been a little swamped with osic work | 16:50 |
| michaelgugino | Once we have that and galera server merged, the rest of the roles will follow | 16:51 |
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| michaelgugino | odyssey4me: I had some question about testing | 16:51 |
| michaelgugino | can we deploy multiple instances for running different checks in parallel? | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | have we covered all the dependent roles? os_keystone relies on quite a few and I don't think we have all the basic infra roles covered yet? | 16:52 |
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| odyssey4me | michaelgugino I will take care of getting another functional check in for openvswitch. | 16:52 |
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| michaelgugino | ok, that's what I was wondering about | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to prep os_neutron openvswitch job in OpenStack-CI | 16:53 |
| stevelle | have any of the os_roles started running tempest in their role repo gate? | 16:53 |
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| odyssey4me | stevelle yes, mattt's been working on that | 16:53 |
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| odyssey4me | I think nova is done. | 16:53 |
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| odyssey4me | He's currently revising the tempest role, horizon role and designate role to cover the tempest plugin use-case | 16:54 |
| spotz | ironic, switft, nova are theones without names odyssey4me | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | there are a few reviews ongoing - please support him by reviewing. | 16:54 |
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| stevelle | odyssey4me: found it, thx | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | spotz I think andymccr will cover swift | 16:55 |
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| odyssey4me | spotz so you're welcome to go with ironic/nova for the var break-out | 16:55 |
| spotz | If I get through horizon I'll pick up ironic | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | there is also zaqar and rally, which would be a far easier start | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | nova/ironic have some nasty dragons :p | 16:56 |
| spotz | ooh maybe I'll do one of those then try horizon | 16:56 |
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| spotz | work has been busy, slacking on my reviewing:( | 16:56 |
| stevelle | last topic I wanted to ask about, has anyone picked up the challenge of trying to document how to use our inventory more thoroughly yet? | 16:57 |
| stevelle | env.d and conf.d bits esp. | 16:57 |
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| odyssey4me | stevelle nope, not to my knowledge | 16:58 |
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| stevelle | ok, it's going to start becoming a hotter topic for me as I try to get more folks familiar with OSA. I will need help but will try to at least start a draft on that in the next 2 weeks | 16:59 |
| odyssey4me | excellent, thanks stevelle | 16:59 |
| spotz | stevelle if you draft I'll help finish | 16:59 |
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| odyssey4me | alright, we're out of time | 17:01 |
| odyssey4me | thanks all! | 17:01 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| cloudnull | see you all later. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 12 17:01:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-05-12-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-05-12-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-05-12-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
| cathy__ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 12 17:01:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:01 |
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| cathy__ | hi everyone | 17:02 |
| LouisF | hi cathy__ | 17:02 |
| scsnow | hi | 17:02 |
| yamahata | hello | 17:02 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:02 |
| doonhammer | Hi Cathy | 17:02 |
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| georgewang | hi | 17:02 |
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| cathy__ | Let's start | 17:02 |
| vishnoianil | hi everyone | 17:02 |
| cathy__ | #topic Status update | 17:02 |
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| mohankumar | hi | 17:03 |
| cathy__ | 1. Add support for Querying Driver capability for SFC functionality support | 17:03 |
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| cathy__ | scsnow: did you take this work? | 17:05 |
| cathy__ | or maybe someone else? | 17:05 |
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| scsnow | I did a quick look into neutron microversions proposal and it seems for me, that it does not what we need | 17:05 |
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| scsnow | so we would need to work on spec to define requirements | 17:06 |
| regXboi | so.. I would point out that isn't just neutron's microversioning - it's openstack's | 17:06 |
| scsnow | currently it's implemented only in nova | 17:07 |
| scsnow | and that's about API capabilities | 17:07 |
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| LouisF | regXboi: only implemented in nova? | 17:07 |
| LouisF | scsnow: +1 | 17:08 |
| regXboi | I would disagree with that statement | 17:08 |
| regXboi | but that is neither here nor there | 17:08 |
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| cathy__ | scsnow: I agree with you that It is about API cap, not the driver cap. | 17:09 |
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| LouisF | scsnow: agree microversioning does not really expose different driver capablities | 17:10 |
| cathy__ | scsnow: Yes, we need a spec on the requirement and mechanism how to do it to satisfy the requirement. Could you start working on this? | 17:11 |
| scsnow | per my understanding we need to extend sfc api by adding additional method let's say get_driver_capabilities | 17:11 |
| LouisF | does neutron itself address differences in the ml2 driver capablities? | 17:11 |
| cathy__ | scsnow: yes, agree on that direction. | 17:11 |
| scsnow | and each driver should implement it to report its capabilities | 17:11 |
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| LouisF | it must exist as a issue with neutron itself | 17:12 |
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| cathy__ | Another aspect is that if a user specify a SFC requirement in the API, the API needs to query the driver cap to see if it can meet that req, if not reject the API request | 17:13 |
| scsnow | LouisF, I think no. At least there is not way to identify whether specific type driver in supported in specific mech driver | 17:13 |
| mohankumar | LouisF: good question , thought of same | 17:13 |
| LouisF | there are different ml2 drivers and they certainly don't offer the same support | 17:13 |
| pcarver | LouisF: The one place I know Neutron does something has to do with VLAN transparency. I don't think it's part of ML2 specifically, but there's a Neutron API to check whether a network will pass VLAN tags transparently between VMs | 17:13 |
| LouisF | pcarver: yes i saw that | 17:13 |
| LouisF | does the same problem exist with neutron and there is a solution already | 17:14 |
| cathy__ | LouisF: scsnow mohankumar pcarver Yes, I think we should investigate whether Neutron has similar mechanism since Neutron should have the same problem. | 17:15 |
| LouisF | i would prefer a common solution to this | 17:15 |
| cathy__ | But the case could be that Neutron has not done it or not done it in a generic way. Agree with Louis that this is a generic issue not specific to SFC and we should implement a generic mechanism that can be used by other features in the future | 17:16 |
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| LouisF | that said we should also look into the implications of microversioning the api | 17:16 |
| LouisF | the networking-sfc api that is | 17:17 |
| cathy__ | LouisF: microversioning should be done for all networking-sfc API, not just this specific one\ | 17:17 |
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| LouisF | cathy__: you mean neutron api | 17:18 |
| scsnow | I also prefer generic approach. But currently neutron does not provide anything useful for our case. Even API microversioning is not implemented there. | 17:18 |
| cathy__ | LouisF: no, we do the API for SFC but do it in a generic way | 17:19 |
| cathy__ | or try to do it in a generic way | 17:19 |
| mohankumar | Generally team will update their driver support to marketplace : https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/drivers/ | 17:19 |
| LouisF | scsnow: we should adopt what neutron does | 17:19 |
| cathy__ | scsnow: let's just do it for SFC driver capability for now | 17:19 |
| cathy__ | But the query mechanism should be easily extended for querying more capability or new capability in the future | 17:20 |
| scsnow | cathy__, ok. can someone would help me to work on spec? at least define the list of driver capabilities, i.e. ability to handle symmetric chains and so on | 17:21 |
| cathy__ | LouisF: what do you mean by adopt what Neutron does? Does Neutron have the mechanism of querying the driver cap for Neutron API feature support? | 17:21 |
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| LouisF | cathy__: i meant neutron microversioning | 17:21 |
| s3wong | sorry, late (again) | 17:21 |
| cathy__ | scsnow: I can help you on that | 17:21 |
| scsnow | cathy__, thanks | 17:21 |
| LouisF | scsnow: can help | 17:21 |
| scsnow | LouisF, thanks | 17:21 |
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| cathy__ | OK, Louis and I will send you a list of API caps that a driver can support. | 17:23 |
| cathy__ | Ok, let's go to next item | 17:23 |
| LouisF | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/liberty/microversioning.html | 17:23 |
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| cathy__ | 2. Networking-sfc SFC driver for OVN | 17:24 |
| cathy__ | John, are you there? | 17:24 |
| doonhammer | yes cathy | 17:24 |
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| doonhammer | I have been working with Ryan/regXboi | 17:25 |
| doonhammer | to merge the changes into a patch set | 17:25 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: great! | 17:25 |
| doonhammer | I have sfc and ovn done now working on OVN | 17:25 |
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| cathy__ | Yes, I saw emails in the OVS alias | 17:25 |
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| s3wong | doonhammer: seems like there are changes in OVS, logically that should go in first | 17:25 |
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| cathy__ | s3wong: yes, that is where they have been working | 17:26 |
| s3wong | doonhammer: and I guess next would be networking-ovn actually adding the support for the new NB schema | 17:26 |
| doonhammer | yes but they are harder :-) | 17:26 |
| regXboi | well... not exactly | 17:26 |
| s3wong | doonhammer: networking-sfc changes (if any) should be last... is the OVN SFC driver going to be in networking-ovn repo or networking-sfc? | 17:27 |
| regXboi | with respect to the patch set for ovs/ovn, having the other patch sets to refer to for E2E testing will help the ovs/ovn review process immensely | 17:27 |
| doonhammer | once I have a clean version I need to convert the ovs/ovn code to use port-pair model ala Russell's approach | 17:27 |
| cathy__ | regXboi: Ok, got it. We have done E2E testing for the OVS driver path. | 17:27 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: we need to finalize the extensions to the ovn nb schema | 17:28 |
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| cathy__ | regXboi: We are working on automating the E2E testing and will post the testing scripts soon. Is this the help you need? | 17:28 |
| doonhammer | LouisF: yes a lot of work remains - I just wanted to get something that showed it would work then the really work begins | 17:28 |
| regXboi | cathy__: the OVS driver patch doesn't really help | 17:29 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: :-) | 17:29 |
| regXboi | cathy__: automation is always good, but the ovn/ovs patch will needs its own unit tests as part of its commit, since we can't depend on openstack there | 17:29 |
| LouisF | doonhammer: sounds good | 17:29 |
| regXboi | cathy__: on the other hand, being able to say that the patch also works with n-ovn and n-sfc does carry weight in the review process | 17:30 |
| cathy__ | regXboi: I see. So what you need is the UT and E2E testing on the OVN path | 17:30 |
| regXboi | cathy__: ack | 17:30 |
| doonhammer | we probably need a simple dumb VNF to test - I have been using our NGFW in my test cases | 17:30 |
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| s3wong | cathy__: this begs the question... if the SFC drivers live in a different repo (i.e., such as ODL driver), obviously it is strange for each SDN / networking repo which has SFC driver to have functional test on SFC features, how are we (networking-sfc) supposed to provide a CI test framework to ensure all drivers are sane (like Neutron does)? | 17:32 |
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| cathy__ | doonhammer: yes, for the testing, we do not really needs real VNF functionality since we are testing the chain, not the VNF functionality | 17:32 |
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| LouisF | doonhammer: we do need to account for the vnf insertion mode: bump in wire, l2, .. | 17:33 |
| cathy__ | s3wong: That is a good question. That is why I have the topic discussion in last meeting on which repo the drivers should go | 17:33 |
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| doonhammer | I think we need end to end testing especially when we have a chain | 17:34 |
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| cathy__ | s3wong: I guess each driver needs to ensure their "insane" if the driver resides outside of networking-sfc. But for driver that resides inside networking-sfc, networking-sfc team and CI needs to ensure that | 17:34 |
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| regXboi | so... having drivers live inside of n-sfc that depend on other projects is a recipe for a mess | 17:35 |
| regXboi | look at the time being spent pulling the *aaS code out of neutron | 17:35 |
| regXboi | the contract should be API driven, and then the other projects can have unit tests for those pieces of the API | 17:36 |
| LouisF | regXboi: i think that was agreed to at the last meeting | 17:36 |
| cathy__ | s3wong: make sense. For those drivers that reside inside networking-sfc, they are SFC's reference implementation and any new API extensions need to be supported by those drivers and comprehensive testing needs to be ensured | 17:37 |
| doonhammer | regXboi: +1 | 17:37 |
| cathy__ | s3wong: make sense? | 17:37 |
| regXboi | LouisF: it was - I'm hoping we aren't reopening it :) | 17:37 |
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| doonhammer | one of the comments regXboi had on my code was that and I am fixing it. Once we have and OVS and OVN driver would be good to do a review and make sure we are doing the right abstraction | 17:38 |
| s3wong | cathy__: I think the model for even the stadium projects is that drivers are decomposed just like Neutron; my gut tells me most drivers will reside OUTSIDE of networking-sfc repo (just like Neutron) | 17:38 |
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| s3wong | cathy__: so we may (eventually) need to provide a driver CI like Neutron | 17:38 |
| cathy__ | s3wong: could you look into the driver CI for networking-sfc? | 17:39 |
| cathy__ | s3wong: similar to what Neutron does? | 17:39 |
| s3wong | cathy__: I can take a look at how Neutron does it :-) | 17:39 |
| cathy__ | Ok, this item is assigned to you since most other people are full on hand:-) | 17:40 |
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| cathy__ | #action s3wong will investigate the driver CI for networking-sfc. | 17:41 |
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| cathy__ | doonhammer: regXboi Very good progress. Thanks! Let us know if you need any help. | 17:43 |
| cathy__ | 3. Networking-sfc SFC driver for ODL | 17:43 |
| cathy__ | AFAIK this driver spec is approved. How is the code development going? | 17:44 |
| cathy__ | yamahata: are you there? | 17:44 |
| cathy__ | vishnoianil: ? | 17:44 |
| yamahata | cathy__: yes? | 17:44 |
| cathy__ | yamahata: vishnoianil any update on the code side? | 17:44 |
| yamahata | So far it's up to vishnoianil. | 17:44 |
| yamahata | no patch isn't uploaded yet. | 17:45 |
| yamahata | patch for code | 17:45 |
| doonhammer | cathy: once I have the basic version done will need help looking at all the edge conditions - I will start a list on issues I see - any place I can post it? | 17:45 |
| cathy__ | vishnoianil: are you there? Are you working on the code patch? | 17:45 |
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| cathy__ | doonhammer: You can either send it via emails or post it on our wiki project wiki page. | 17:46 |
| doonhammer | cathy: ack | 17:47 |
| cathy__ | doonhammer: or we can have a f2f meeting to go through them if that is more effective. | 17:47 |
| vishnoianil | cathy__, sorry doing double shifting between opendaylighjt tsc meeting and this one | 17:47 |
| vishnoianil | cathy__, i already pushed the yang models to opendaylight project | 17:48 |
| vishnoianil | and the next step is to write the driver in networking-odl | 17:48 |
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| cathy__ | vishnoianil: good progress! Thanks for your work! | 17:49 |
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| cathy__ | 4. Networking-sfc integration with ONOS completion status update | 17:49 |
| mohankumar | cathy__ , code already developed and we tested internally, driver code already magred to networking-onos sub-roject repo | 17:50 |
| mohankumar | https://github.com/openstack/networking-onos/blob/master/doc/source/devref/sfc_driver.rst | 17:50 |
| mohankumar | https://github.com/openstack/networking-onos/blob/master/networking_onos/services/sfc/driver.py | 17:50 |
| mohankumar | https://github.com/openstack/networking-onos/blob/master/doc/source/devref/flowclassifier_driver.rst | 17:50 |
| mohankumar | https://github.com/openstack/networking-onos/blob/master/networking_onos/services/flowclassifier/driver.py | 17:50 |
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| cathy__ | mohankumar: Great. Yes, I know codes have been merged. Have you uploaded UT and functional testing codes too? | 17:51 |
| mohankumar | yes cathy__ Test codes already wrote | 17:51 |
| mohankumar | ** UT | 17:52 |
| mohankumar | functional Test , i need to check | 17:52 |
| cathy__ | Ok, great! | 17:52 |
| cathy__ | Now last one | 17:52 |
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| cathy__ | 5. Tacker Driver for networking-sfc | 17:52 |
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| cathy__ | LouisF: has this spec been merged in tacker repo? | 17:53 |
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| LouisF | need final review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290771/ | 17:53 |
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| LouisF | is has had comment and i have updated some time ago | 17:54 |
| cathy__ | Ok, you may want to ping Scridhar on this to get it reviewed and merged so that coding can be started. | 17:54 |
| LouisF | cathy__: will do | 17:55 |
| s3wong | LouisF: yeah, you updated the spec during the summit, and most people probably missed it :-) | 17:55 |
| LouisF | s3wong: i will ping again | 17:55 |
| cathy__ | I mean final review | 17:55 |
| cathy__ | LouisF: Good. Thanks. | 17:55 |
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| cathy__ | s3wong: Could you please help on getting the final review done and the patch merged? | 17:56 |
| s3wong | cathy__, LouisF: a lot of comments came from trozet, and during the summit, he and I spoke --- and he indicated he is fine with the current version | 17:56 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: i have pinged | 17:57 |
| s3wong | cathy__, LouisF: given the understanding of VNFFG in general, the +2s will likely have to come from sridhar_ram and me | 17:57 |
| cathy__ | LouisF: s3wong good. Thanks! | 17:57 |
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| LouisF | s3wong: i incorporated his comments | 17:57 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: yes, I noticed :-) | 17:58 |
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| cathy__ | We do not have time for the other topics. We have made very good progress on our driver integration work! | 17:59 |
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| cathy__ | Keep up the good work! Bye for now | 17:59 |
| LouisF | bye | 17:59 |
| scsnow | bye | 17:59 |
| doonhammer | bye | 18:00 |
| cathy__ | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| mohankumar | bye | 18:00 |
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