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| markus_z | #startmeeting nova-bugs-team | 10:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 10 10:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markus_z. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-bugs-team)" | 10:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_bugs_team' | 10:00 |
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| markus_z | hey ho, anyone around? | 10:00 |
| andrearosa | o/ | 10:01 |
| markus_z | hi andrearosa | 10:01 |
| markus_z | let's wait for another minute | 10:01 |
| andrearosa | ok | 10:01 |
| markus_z | #info 33 new bugs which need triage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 10:02 |
| markus_z | #info 914 open bugs overall | 10:02 |
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| * kashyap waves | 10:02 | |
| markus_z | well, ok, it looks like the folks from huawei won't come | 10:03 |
| andrearosa | is it a good time for them? | 10:03 |
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| markus_z | I offered an earlier time slot but didn't get a response. | 10:03 |
| markus_z | #action markus_z move the timeslot 2 hours earlier | 10:04 |
| markus_z | andrearosa: Do you like to skim new bugs for the next days? | 10:04 |
| andrearosa | I have a question, while we are triaging a bug do we need to assign the bug to ourselves? | 10:05 |
| markus_z | andrearosa: no | 10:05 |
| markus_z | The assignee of a bug report should provide a patch for review in Gerrit | 10:05 |
| andrearosa | what about commit my self for the next week? this one is pretty busy. I can try to help you next mon and tue | 10:05 |
| andrearosa | how that sounds? | 10:05 |
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| markus_z | andrearosa: next week is great too | 10:06 |
| kashyap | andrearosa: Yeah, no need to assign the bug to yourself, unless of course you're providing the fix :-) | 10:06 |
| markus_z | I'm not a lot in the office this week | 10:06 |
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| markus_z | #action markus_z tag the currently open untagged bugs reports | 10:06 |
| markus_z | kashyap: What's does your schedule say? Can you take a look at libvirt bugs this week? | 10:07 |
| markus_z | Currenty 6 new libvirt tagged bug reports | 10:07 |
| andrearosa | markus_z: kashyap ok I was thinking that it might be that 2 ppl can do the same job ...but it seems that is more a wish than the reality :) | 10:07 |
| kashyap | markus_z: Hey | 10:07 |
| kashyap | markus_z: Sure, I can look at the libvirt bugs. | 10:08 |
| markus_z | andrearosa: Do you mean 2 or more people doing bug triage at the same time? | 10:08 |
| andrearosa | yeap | 10:08 |
| markus_z | kashyap: thanks! | 10:08 |
| markus_z | andrearosa: It's still possible, just talk to each other in #openstack-nova | 10:08 |
| kashyap | markus_z: Currently working on the Liberty version of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314012/3 | 10:08 |
| andrearosa | good point | 10:08 |
| andrearosa | even if you don't know that someone else is looking at the same bug. But it doesn't seem the case here so nevermind | 10:09 |
| markus_z | kashyap: yeah, I tried to figure out the issue in the unit test but didn't find it | 10:10 |
| kashyap | andrearosa: Heh, yeah -- it's common that two or more heads work on finding the root cause, and arriving at a fix. | 10:10 |
| markus_z | kashyap: The next day I checked the patch was approved for master | 10:10 |
| kashyap | markus_z: Yeah, Dan Smith / Matt Riedemann are more familiar with that area -- so they got through them quickly | 10:10 |
| kashyap | markus_z: And last time I checked you still have only 24 hours | 10:10 |
| markus_z | andrearosa: Would you add your name here for the next week please? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty | 10:11 |
| markus_z | kashyap: yeah, I try to bend time by pure will power, but wasn't successful yet :( | 10:11 |
| andrearosa | markus_z: will do | 10:11 |
| markus_z | thanks | 10:11 |
| kashyap | markus_z: :-) Nah, you're doing good | 10:11 |
| markus_z | Any open questions by anyone? Otherwise I would close the meeting. | 10:12 |
| kashyap | markus_z: I'm just trying to reduce massive context-switching lately. So, a week on Nova, next on lower-layer Virt, or something like that | 10:12 |
| kashyap | Nothing at the moment from me | 10:12 |
| markus_z | kashyap: Ah, yes, very good approach. Context switches kill a lot of time for me too. | 10:12 |
| andrearosa | markus_z: we should think of closing | 10:12 |
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| andrearosa | very old bugs | 10:12 |
| andrearosa | I remeber we had a kind of discussion on ML | 10:12 |
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| kashyap | andrearosa: Yeah, the point of agreement was that: if the bugs are reported for releases that EOLed, then it's fair game to close them asking to "Please retry on current stable or master" | 10:13 |
| markus_z | right, I didn't hear voices against closing old things. | 10:13 |
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| kashyap | FWIW, that's what we do in Fedora distribution -- which has a 6-month life cycle too | 10:13 |
| andrearosa | kashyap: it sounds like a good approach | 10:13 |
| markus_z | #link potentially expired bug reports: http://45.55.105.55:8082/bugs-dashboard.html#tabExpired | 10:14 |
| markus_z | A lot of them are old wishlist items | 10:14 |
| kashyap | andrearosa: Put another way Once N+2 is released, 'N' goes End-of-Life. And, all bugs (that are not solved) reported against 'N' are closed, with a request to re-test them on N+2, and re-open it if the issue persists. | 10:14 |
| markus_z | I signed up to close them case-by-case but didn't make much progress in the last week | 10:14 |
| andrearosa | markus_z: case by case seems an endless job, I'd go for a more drastic way | 10:15 |
| andrearosa | that is my opinion and I am not very familiar with the official process here | 10:15 |
| andrearosa | so I could be compeltely wrong | 10:15 |
| kashyap | andrearosa: Markus has some LP scripts | 10:16 |
| * kashyap needs to step out now; see ya later | 10:16 | |
| markus_z | yeah, it's easy to automate, but I couldn't convice myself to do this as a bulk operation (with this much of open items) | 10:16 |
| markus_z | kashyap: see you | 10:17 |
| andrearosa | kashyap: bye | 10:17 |
| markus_z | I'm targeting the time after the non-priority-feature freeze for a general cleanup of old bug reports | 10:17 |
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| andrearosa | ok | 10:18 |
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| markus_z | #action markus_z announce LP cleanup after R-14 (non-priority-feature freeze) | 10:18 |
| markus_z | That's the time slot where some people should have more time, after their features got merged or not. | 10:19 |
| andrearosa | yeap | 10:19 |
| markus_z | ok, other open items or things you like to discuss? | 10:19 |
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| andrearosa | nope | 10:20 |
| markus_z | ok, closing in 3... | 10:20 |
| andrearosa | ok bye | 10:20 |
| markus_z | thanks for your time, next meeting next Tuesday at 18:00 UTC | 10:20 |
| markus_z | #endmeeting | 10:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 10 10:20:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_bugs_team/2016/nova_bugs_team.2016-05-10-10.00.html | 10:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_bugs_team/2016/nova_bugs_team.2016-05-10-10.00.txt | 10:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_bugs_team/2016/nova_bugs_team.2016-05-10-10.00.log.html | 10:21 |
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| jasondotstar | #starmeeting openstack-salt | 13:00 |
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| jasondotstar | #starmeeting openstack-salt | 13:01 |
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| nmadhok | I'm here | 13:01 |
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| jasondotstar | #starmeeting openstack-salt | 13:03 |
| jasondotstar | issues w/ starting the meeting :-/ | 13:03 |
| jasondotstar | lemme try again | 13:03 |
| jasondotstar | GM nmadhok | 13:03 |
| jasondotstar | #startmeeting openstack-salt | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 10 13:03:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jasondotstar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| jasondotstar | hmm | 13:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_salt' | 13:03 |
| nmadhok | #startmeeting openstack-salt | 13:03 |
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| openstack | nmadhok: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 13:03 |
| jasondotstar | there we go | 13:03 |
| cznewt | hello | 13:03 |
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| nmadhok | #endmeeting | 13:04 |
| jasondotstar | #topic roll call | 13:04 |
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| jasondotstar | nmadhok: I've got chair, so the commands won't work for you | 13:04 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 13:04 |
| nmadhok | Ohh | 13:04 |
| jasondotstar | it's cool | 13:04 |
| nmadhok | Alright | 13:04 |
| jasondotstar | we can shre | 13:04 |
| jasondotstar | *share | 13:04 |
| jasondotstar | that way it's not me all the time :-) | 13:05 |
| genunix | o/ | 13:05 |
| nmadhok | I'm present for the role call :p | 13:05 |
| jasondotstar | cool | 13:05 |
| nmadhok | Hello Ales | 13:05 |
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| cznewt | \o/ | 13:05 |
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| cznewt | Hello Nitin | 13:05 |
| jpavlik | hello everyone | 13:06 |
| jasondotstar | hi all | 13:06 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Introduction | 13:06 |
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| nmadhok | @jpavlik Hello | 13:06 |
| jasondotstar | This meeting is for the openstack-salt team | 13:06 |
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| jasondotstar | If you're interested in contributing to the discussion, please join #openstack-salt | 13:06 |
| jasondotstar | Meetings are Weekly on Tuesdays at 1300UTC | 13:06 |
| jasondotstar | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Salt_Team_Meeting | 13:06 |
| jasondotstar | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Salt_Team_Meeting | 13:06 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-salt | 13:07 |
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| jasondotstar | sorry sent that link twice | 13:07 |
| nmadhok | np | 13:07 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Review past action items | 13:07 |
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| jasondotstar | we're going to go down the list | 13:07 |
| jasondotstar | it's short today | 13:07 |
| jasondotstar | then we can open up the floor for new stuff | 13:07 |
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| jasondotstar | nmadhok to connect with cznewt on the openSUSE conf | 13:08 |
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| jasondotstar | did you guys connect up? | 13:08 |
| nmadhok | I did connect with @cznewt | 13:08 |
| cznewt | The bio for the session is available at http://openstackdayprague.eu/#speakers | 13:08 |
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| nmadhok | I tried to add @cznewt to the presentation but guess he needs to register first? | 13:09 |
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| jasondotstar | #link http://openstackdayprague.eu/#speakers | 13:09 |
| nmadhok | action item for this meeting would be to converge both projects | 13:09 |
| jpavlik | what presentation @newt ? | 13:09 |
| nmadhok | Ales sent an email last week but I didn't get back a response | 13:10 |
| cznewt | david boucha sent an email today to specify steps for merging | 13:10 |
| cznewt | It's on the agenda | 13:10 |
| cznewt | for today | 13:11 |
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| nmadhok | I don't remember seeing email from him. Was I on the email thread? | 13:11 |
| cznewt | nmadhok: can you send me link to the conference | 13:11 |
| nmadhok | #link https://events.opensuse.org | 13:11 |
| jasondotstar | nmadhok: which project efforts are we attempting to converge (perhaps I missed something) ? | 13:12 |
| nmadhok | #link https://events.opensuse.org/conference/oSC16 | 13:12 |
| cznewt | nmadhok: yes you are on the reply list | 13:12 |
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| cznewt | jasondotstar: it's about aligning the formulas with salt-community ones | 13:13 |
| nmadhok | See the email response to Ales's email | 13:13 |
| cznewt | but it is long road ahead | 13:13 |
| jasondotstar | yes, of course | 13:13 |
| jasondotstar | i was thinking there was something else... | 13:13 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 13:13 |
| nmadhok | not exactly just aligning it with salt-community ones. Both will need to be changed to come to common standard | 13:13 |
| cznewt | let's get to this in todays tasks please | 13:13 |
| jasondotstar | #agreed the aligning the openstack-salt and salt-community efforts | 13:14 |
| nmadhok | My talk at openSUSE conf in Germany is around the saltopenstack project | 13:14 |
| jasondotstar | cznewt: I'll add it now | 13:14 |
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| nmadhok | so we may need to try and combine ideas for the presentation | 13:14 |
| jpavlik | nmadhok: I think that there must be further discussion about aligning formulas | 13:15 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 13:15 |
| genunix | yes | 13:15 |
| jasondotstar | let's move on to the next action item | 13:15 |
| jasondotstar | nmadhok to schedule a hangout or Adobe connect session with the team to discuss current salt team progress | 13:15 |
| nmadhok | @jpavlik absolutely. | 13:15 |
| nmadhok | Ales contacted me late so I didn't have his email | 13:16 |
| jasondotstar | why don't we put our email addresses in the etherpad | 13:16 |
| jasondotstar | that way you have them all in one place? | 13:16 |
| nmadhok | Couldn't schedule the Adobe connect session without an email and then I got pulled into a diff meeting since this one didn't get scheduled | 13:16 |
| nmadhok | #agreed | 13:16 |
| jasondotstar | nmadhok: no worries. | 13:16 |
| nmadhok | What's the link to etherpad for this project? | 13:17 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-salt-weekly-meeting-20160510 | 13:17 |
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| jasondotstar | it's for this meeting actually | 13:17 |
| jasondotstar | the team here can add their emails | 13:18 |
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| jasondotstar | that way nmadhok can schedule the session with thie team | 13:18 |
| nmadhok | I'm seeing an error accessing that link | 13:18 |
| genunix | ok added mails | 13:18 |
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| jasondotstar | genunix: +1 | 13:18 |
| nmadhok | TypeError: null is not an object (evaluating 'pad.collabClient.setChannelState') in https://etherpad.openstack.org/javascripts/lib/ep_etherpad-lite/static/js/pad.js?callback=require.define at line 266' | 13:18 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-salt-weekly-meeting-20160510 | 13:18 |
| jasondotstar | hmm | 13:18 |
| jasondotstar | seems to work ok | 13:19 |
| nmadhok | works now | 13:19 |
| jasondotstar | nmadhok: +1 | 13:19 |
| jasondotstar | ok last agenda item: | 13:19 |
| jasondotstar | cznewt to get the project governance status moved to official level | 13:19 |
| genunix | review was submitted | 13:19 |
| genunix | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314531/ | 13:19 |
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| nmadhok | Once the project is official, it's going to be more difficult to tweak the architecture. Am I correct? | 13:20 |
| jasondotstar | \0/ | 13:20 |
| jpavlik | Thiery Carrez should approve this. | 13:21 |
| genunix | nmadhok: I don't think so | 13:21 |
| genunix | nmadhok: there will not be much differences | 13:21 |
| jasondotstar | we should still make our formulas conform to whatever the current standards are (from a salt community perspective), yes? | 13:21 |
| nmadhok | we still have to discuss about aligning formulas and coming to an agreement | 13:21 |
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| jasondotstar | #agred | 13:22 |
| jasondotstar | #agreed | 13:22 |
| genunix | I don't that will result in some huge changes | 13:22 |
| genunix | don't think ^ | 13:22 |
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| jasondotstar | well, let's see what our discussion yields | 13:23 |
| jasondotstar | ok any other items on last week's items? | 13:23 |
| jasondotstar | if not let's move to today's agenda | 13:24 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Today's Agenda | 13:24 |
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| jasondotstar | first, let's discuss salt orchestration and the complex testing of multiple reviews | 13:24 |
| genunix | ok, so ad. orchestration, we are currently working on orchestrating cluster deployment using support metadata supplied with formulas. | 13:25 |
| nmadhok | if there are changes to be made, I'm concerned if they will be difficult to make once project becomes official | 13:25 |
| cznewt | we have created a new setup for salt to get the orchestrate workinf | 13:25 |
| genunix | eg. https://github.com/tcpcloud/salt-formula-rabbitmq/tree/master/rabbitmq/orchestrate | 13:25 |
| cznewt | nmadhok: the projects will merge eventually, but this will be well thought process, I have many concerns | 13:26 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://github.com/tcpcloud/salt-formula-rabbitmq/tree/master/rabbitmq/orchestrate | 13:27 |
| cznewt | I'll send reply to david with proposed way of functional merge | 13:27 |
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| nmadhok | @cznewt same here. I'll schedule a hangout this week for the emails listed in etherpad. What date/time works for everybody? | 13:27 |
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| jasondotstar | this timeframe works I think | 13:27 |
| nmadhok | Also copy me on the response. I don't think I received his response | 13:27 |
| jasondotstar | 1300UTC | 13:28 |
| jasondotstar | unless other object... | 13:28 |
| jasondotstar | *others | 13:28 |
| nmadhok | What day? | 13:28 |
| jpavlik | Thursday | 13:30 |
| genunix | this thursday? | 13:30 |
| jasondotstar | Thursday works for me. | 13:30 |
| nmadhok | ok works for me. Thursday 13:00 UTC | 13:30 |
| cznewt | yes for me as well | 13:30 |
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| jasondotstar | #agreed Hangout session is scheduled for Thurs at 1300UTC | 13:31 |
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| jasondotstar | ok are we good on the concerns regarding orchestration and testing? | 13:33 |
| jasondotstar | im sure we will address more during the hangout session | 13:34 |
| jasondotstar | if we're good for now, let's move on | 13:34 |
| jpavlik | yes, leave it on hangout | 13:34 |
| jasondotstar | next, discussion about generic formulas and functionality, role of linux formula | 13:34 |
| cznewt | I'll reply to david's mail and pinpont problematic areas | 13:34 |
| jpavlik | we need to concentrate on supporting OpenStack operation. I do not want to be like puppet | 13:35 |
| jasondotstar | #action cznewt to reply to david's email and discuss the issues | 13:35 |
| cznewt | the linux formula encapsulates a lot salt-community formulas in one | 13:35 |
| jpavlik | nice code instead of production working | 13:36 |
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| jasondotstar | cznewt: is the aim to *not* be like or be like RDO? | 13:36 |
| jpavlik | I prefer that if someone wants to do changes in desing to contribute first stuff like neutron DVR or openstack features what missing. | 13:36 |
| cznewt | jasondotstar: I do not understand | 13:36 |
| jasondotstar | i.e. where we have one formula that kicks off an install of everything? | 13:37 |
| cznewt | RDO in what sense? | 13:37 |
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| nmadhok | if there are no dependencies, you should be able to combine each formula | 13:37 |
| jpavlik | I mean that the biggest benefit of salt is that it implements production and operation configs instead of all features. | 13:37 |
| jpavlik | it wors with RDO fine | 13:37 |
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| cznewt | not everything but the basics, I have to go through all formulas and figure what implements what | 13:38 |
| nmadhok | user should be able to decide what part of the formula they want | 13:38 |
| nmadhok | so they can pick and choose | 13:38 |
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| jpavlik | nmadhok: this is possible | 13:38 |
| cznewt | yes this is correct | 13:38 |
| genunix | I think user is not forced to use linux formula at all | 13:38 |
| jpavlik | you can choose whatever formula you want | 13:38 |
| nmadhok | within linux formula I meant. | 13:38 |
| jasondotstar | ok that makes sense | 13:38 |
| cznewt | the concern we were having is the repository enforcement | 13:38 |
| genunix | user can choose by metadata | 13:38 |
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| jpavlik | nmadhok: linux formula is not part openstack-salt | 13:39 |
| nmadhok | Like if they only want iptables functionality but not the entire linux build (some organizations and universities like us have our own build process and lot of custom built in house software) | 13:39 |
| nmadhok | jpavlik: I know that part | 13:40 |
| genunix | there's salt-formula-iptables, it's not part of linux formula afaik | 13:40 |
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| cznewt | all is model/metadata driven, you are free to switch, but you loose some of the functionality - monitoring metadata etc | 13:40 |
| nmadhok | that's great. each formula should be independent but we could bring them all together and make it one giant formula if people want to use it | 13:40 |
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| jasondotstar | nmadhok: that's what I was after | 13:41 |
| jasondotstar | well, it's what i wanted to understand I should say... | 13:41 |
| jpavlik | nmadhok: one giant formula? We do not need devstack | 13:41 |
| nmadhok | even in the openstack ecosystem, if user wants to use zeromq or qpid instead of rabbitmq, it should be configurable | 13:41 |
| jpavlik | nmadhok: how many production environment do you run? | 13:41 |
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| nmadhok | openstack-salt is a giant formula that consists of individual formula if you look at it | 13:41 |
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| jpavlik | nmadhok: have you ever seen implementation on qpid? | 13:42 |
| jpavlik | nmadhok: last thing what this project needs is to implement everything like other projects do | 13:42 |
| jpavlik | nmadhok: this is the reason why this solution runs in more than 10 prod envs | 13:42 |
| jasondotstar | can't that be optional? | 13:42 |
| jpavlik | jasondotstar: can be | 13:42 |
| cznewt | nmadhok: the metadata support various backends, this is free for contribution | 13:42 |
| nmadhok | we have environments that run qpid, rabbitmq, zeromq | 13:42 |
| jpavlik | jasondotstar: but tell me why? | 13:43 |
| cznewt | anything, db, mq backends | 13:43 |
| jpavlik | nmadhok: ok push the rerview | 13:43 |
| nmadhok | user should not be locked into just using rabbitmq | 13:43 |
| jpavlik | nmadhok: if you need that push review | 13:43 |
| nmadhok | and just being restricted to using ubuntu | 13:43 |
| jasondotstar | well, let's say it's not for a prod environment- perhaps is a AIO deployment | 13:43 |
| jpavlik | nmadhok: everything is plugable | 13:43 |
| jasondotstar | they could use the 'giant formula' to kick everything off | 13:43 |
| jpavlik | for AIO we have single deployment | 13:43 |
| jpavlik | jasondotstar: what is the purpose? I think that the biggest benefit of openstack-salt is operator view. | 13:44 |
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| jpavlik | jasondotstar: lets create single node deploy with OVS and easy setup | 13:44 |
| nmadhok | reason a lot of users don't use other deployment methods is because they lock the user into using what they ship | 13:44 |
| jpavlik | jasondotstar: but not develop one giat formula for everything, that what devstack does | 13:44 |
| jasondotstar | the giant formula i speak of has includes | 13:45 |
| nmadhok | yeah | 13:45 |
| jpavlik | nmadhok: we do not force anything. It is plugable. Cinder has more than 10 storages | 13:45 |
| genunix | nmadhok: this is not what we are doing, as cznewt wrote, everything is model driven | 13:45 |
| nmadhok | +1 | 13:45 |
| jasondotstar | so it doesn't have everything | 13:45 |
| jasondotstar | but it calls or includes everything | 13:45 |
| jpavlik | jasondotstar: lets create metadata for single deploy, but not salt-formula-openstack | 13:46 |
| jasondotstar | again, it's up to you whether you want to use it or not | 13:46 |
| jasondotstar | jpavlik: i see what you mean | 13:46 |
| jpavlik | jasondotstar: who will be maintain? | 13:46 |
| jpavlik | yes | 13:46 |
| jasondotstar | jpavlik: hmmm. good point. could be us, but if it's not where we want to go with the project that's fine | 13:46 |
| jpavlik | jasondotstar: I do not have problem with plugins. But "make sense" plugins | 13:46 |
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| jpavlik | this is the reason why chef is used by nobody | 13:47 |
| jasondotstar | perhaps we should focus on getting each of the individual salt formulas for each service built up first | 13:47 |
| jpavlik | because it is not ready for operation. We need to show that our approach is operation driven. Otherwise it will be too complex with hundreds of useless plugins and Ansible won | 13:47 |
| jasondotstar | then re-assess whether having a encapsulating formulas is worth the trouble. | 13:47 |
| jpavlik | lets discuss this on hangout | 13:48 |
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| jpavlik | I want to have single node deployment | 13:48 |
| nmadhok | jpavlik: +1 | 13:48 |
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| jasondotstar | +1 | 13:48 |
| cznewt | We have the DVR review going on, I don't see reason not to support multiple db/mq backends, but we are mainly production driven, but anyone is free to contribute | 13:48 |
| jpavlik | which can be setup in 5 minutes | 13:48 |
| nmadhok | The presentation I gave in Tokyo last year, deployed 5 node cluster in 5 minutes | 13:48 |
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| jasondotstar | ok let's move to the last topic on the agenda | 13:49 |
| jasondotstar | discussion about the alignment of the openstack and salt community efforts around standarizing our salt formulas | 13:49 |
| nmadhok | let's discuss this on hangout | 13:49 |
| cznewt | We have been talking about this pretty much all time :) | 13:49 |
| jpavlik | I agree | 13:49 |
| cznewt | yes the hangout | 13:49 |
| jasondotstar | yeah we have | 13:49 |
| jpavlik | I will explain my idea deeply | 13:49 |
| jasondotstar | true | 13:49 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 13:49 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Open Discussion | 13:50 |
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| jasondotstar | ten minutes left here. floor is open. | 13:50 |
| jpavlik | I said all what I want :) | 13:51 |
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| cznewt | Yes, I'll get the reply ready and post it to our channel | 13:51 |
| aryan | perhaps I can use the opportunity and say a few things in 5min, as a new member of the community. | 13:51 |
| aryan | A few observations: | 13:52 |
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| aryan | 1) the documentation are a bit misleading somethings. e.g. lack of links to relevant repos. | 13:52 |
| cznewt | +1 to fix | 13:52 |
| aryan | 2) Although, it's a good idea to separate repo management from package installation | 13:53 |
| jpavlik | aryan: this is will be clean after official project. We want to put outside of our site to official. | 13:53 |
| aryan | but, there are implicit dependencies between specific repos and states. | 13:53 |
| genunix | yes, there may be issues in docs, reviews are always welcome :-) | 13:54 |
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| genunix | ad. pkg repos setup | 13:54 |
| aryan | e.g. keystone formula needs a specific version, otherwise a few things breaks, such as dog.pile plugin | 13:54 |
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| jpavlik | aryan: what version? | 13:55 |
| jpavlik | aryan: I am testing against ubuntu cloud archive without any issues. | 13:55 |
| aryan | jpavlik: default ubuntu 14.04 repo wo/ cloud-archive | 13:55 |
| jpavlik | aryan: openstack version? | 13:55 |
| cznewt | the linux formula handles the repositories, I'll have to check if salt-community has formula with similar functionality | 13:55 |
| jpavlik | aryan: create bug or write me on irc | 13:56 |
| aryan | jpavlik: e.g. keystone 0.7.1 | 13:56 |
| jpavlik | aryan: I will take a look | 13:56 |
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| genunix | some formulas were setting up repositories, but in my opinion that's not a good idea as user may want to deliver packages from any source (custom mirror/repos, 3rd parties, etc.) | 13:56 |
| genunix | that's the reason why formulas themselfs are not forcing users to use some specific repos | 13:56 |
| aryan | genunix: that's why linux formula can be useful, but in my limited experience, it is too intrusive | 13:57 |
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| nmadhok | repos should be set up by any formula | 13:57 |
| nmadhok | in my opinion | 13:57 |
| nmadhok | *should not | 13:57 |
| genunix | You don't have to use linux formula, but whatever method user wants - set repos using cloud-init, have them in image, whatever | 13:57 |
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| genunix | nmadhok: +1 (should not) | 13:58 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 13:58 |
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| cznewt | repos should be setup from one place only according to model | 13:58 |
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| aryan | 3) and the thirds observation is the dependencies on salt-formula-salt | 13:58 |
| aryan | e.g. salt-formula-salt/salt/files/minion.conf | 13:58 |
| genunix | aryan: yes, that one needs fixing | 13:59 |
| aryan | keystone, heat, and mysql formula are dependent on this | 13:59 |
| genunix | aryan: you already did some fixes about this, can you make a reviews? | 13:59 |
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| aryan | genunix: pull request or gitreview | 13:59 |
| cznewt | you can still provide this config in pillars | 13:59 |
| jpavlik | cznewt: can we create pillar with samples? | 14:00 |
| aryan | cznewt: yes you can, but there you're defining variables twice | 14:00 |
| jasondotstar | ok team | 14:00 |
| aryan | genunix: https://github.com/aryantaheri/salt-formula-keystone/commit/20412ee194343b9be76d11700ba49fdf84f7cd77 | 14:00 |
| jasondotstar | times up | 14:01 |
| jasondotstar | we can continue our discussion in channel | 14:01 |
| jasondotstar | thanks all | 14:01 |
| jasondotstar | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 10 14:01:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-05-10-13.03.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-05-10-13.03.txt | 14:01 |
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| EmilienM | #startmeeting puppet-openstack | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 10 15:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: puppet-openstack)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet_openstack' | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | hello | 15:01 |
| degorenko | hey :) | 15:01 |
| iurygregory | o/ | 15:01 |
| bkero | o/ | 15:01 |
| EmilienM | [] tripleo meeting -> [] puppet meeting | 15:01 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 15:01 |
| mattymo | hi | 15:01 |
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| EmilienM | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20160510 | 15:02 |
| clayton | o/ | 15:02 |
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| EmilienM | #topic Review past actions items | 15:02 |
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| EmilienM | EmilienM & chem work on normalize_ip_for_uri function (still postponed) | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM create launchpad for normalize_ip_for_uri function | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | chem to investigate how to show puppet manifests for each beaker test | 15:03 |
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| EmilienM | ah chem is not around | 15:03 |
| EmilienM | #topic announcements | 15:03 |
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| EmilienM | #info centos7 jobs are bumped on Newton (thanks to RDO) | 15:04 |
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| EmilienM | #info summit summary: https://openstack.nimeyo.com/82967/openstack-dev-puppet-austin-summit-sessions-recap | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | anything else for announcements? | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | #topic xenial testing status | 15:05 |
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| EmilienM | #link xenial work https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-xenial | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | so Vinsh is not online, but he volunteered to help with puppet-swift | 15:05 |
| EmilienM | who can help? | 15:06 |
| degorenko | i'll take a look | 15:06 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: I used https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308530/ to test | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | degorenko: you'll need experimental jobs, triggered by "check experimental" comment | 15:07 |
| degorenko | yeah, i know :) kk | 15:07 |
| EmilienM | feel fee to take over my patches | 15:07 |
| iurygregory | this week and next i'm full sorry =( | 15:07 |
| clayton | I pinged vinsh | 15:07 |
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| EmilienM | #action degorenko to start looking at Xenial support | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | #action vinsh to work on puppet-swift for xenial support | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | it's recorded now :) | 15:08 |
| vinsh | :) | 15:08 |
| EmilienM | we have ~2 or 3 weeks before Caninocal provides UCA for Newton | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | so until then, we might want to make our jobs working on Mitaka | 15:09 |
| EmilienM | (which does not require UCA, just pure Xenial repos) | 15:09 |
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| EmilienM | if any volunteer, please ping degorenko for work sync | 15:10 |
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| EmilienM | just a reminder: it's critical priority to have xenial jobs, we'll drop testing on Trusty starting from newton cycle | 15:10 |
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| degorenko | EmilienM: do we know when a new mysql module will be released? | 15:10 |
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| EmilienM | degorenko: I asked Hunner but not sure it was scheduled | 15:11 |
| degorenko | ack | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | Hunner: if you need help on that please let us know | 15:11 |
| EmilienM | #topic release management status | 15:11 |
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| EmilienM | so our project moved to cycle-trailing model | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/puppet-openstack.html | 15:12 |
| EmilienM | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/release_cycle-trailing.html#tag-release-cycle-trailing | 15:12 |
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| EmilienM | we'll provide a first newton milestone by the end of the month probably | 15:12 |
| iurygregory | nice =) | 15:12 |
| degorenko | cool, nice work EmilienM! :) | 15:13 |
| iberezovskiy | awesome :) | 15:13 |
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| EmilienM | I'll also propose a 8.0.1 release by this time | 15:13 |
| bkero | woot | 15:13 |
| iurygregory | ++ | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | we did some backports, it might be useful | 15:14 |
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| EmilienM | any question / feedback about releases? | 15:14 |
| EmilienM | #topic blueprint status | 15:15 |
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| EmilienM | we have one spec that is currently not implemented, from clayton | 15:15 |
| EmilienM | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/puppet-openstack-specs/specs/mitaka/config-deprecation-for-inifile-provider.html | 15:15 |
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| EmilienM | clayton: should we postpone it to Newton? | 15:16 |
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| clayton | I won't have time to work on it, so probably so | 15:16 |
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| EmilienM | who is interested by contributing on this blueprint? | 15:16 |
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| EmilienM | #action postpone config-deprecation-for-inifile-provider to newton | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | mhh ok I'll defer it to Newton and we'll see. | 15:17 |
| EmilienM | but well, if nothing happens afterwards we'll revisit its existence. | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | #topic bug triage status | 15:18 |
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| EmilienM | ah _ody is not here | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-puppet-bug-triage | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | during summit Cody and I did some bug triage, we've not finished yet. | 15:18 |
| EmilienM | do we have critical bugs we want to raise now? | 15:19 |
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| EmilienM | sounds like no | 15:20 |
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| EmilienM | #topic doc status | 15:20 |
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| EmilienM | (well if someone wants to help for bug triage feel free to ping me) | 15:20 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory, bkero: hey, can we have a status on doc? | 15:21 |
| iurygregory | Almost everything done i think | 15:21 |
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| EmilienM | should we remove old Wiki pages afterwards or keep them? | 15:21 |
| bkero | The etherpad from the summit has porting status | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | how did infra? | 15:21 |
| bkero | reviews should at least be filed for all docs | 15:21 |
| EmilienM | nibalizer is not around | 15:21 |
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| bkero | infra is not shutting down wiki for a while | 15:22 |
| EmilienM | bkero: yeah, but I want to make sure we don't edit wiki anymore | 15:22 |
| iurygregory | i raised just two new wiki pages that i think we need to migrate to docs.. ( i can take care to migrate) | 15:22 |
| bkero | I'd suggest wr modify thr wiki pages to point to the new docs | 15:22 |
| bkero | at thr least | 15:22 |
| iurygregory | ++ bkero | 15:22 |
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| EmilienM | we're going to loose google index :P | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | oh well, wfm | 15:23 |
| bkero | strike through the contentd | 15:23 |
| iurygregory | <o> | 15:23 |
| bkero | contents, but keep them up | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | ok | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | thanks a lot for your help on that guys | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | I had one question though | 15:23 |
| iurygregory | you are welcome =) | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | about README in all openstack/puppet-* modules | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | what should we do? keep them? reduce them? | 15:23 |
| EmilienM | if reduce, then where/what to document? | 15:24 |
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| bkero | I'd say put them in docs.o.o if we want them out of the modules, but I don't want to make that decision | 15:24 |
| mwhahaha | probably should pull them all into the docs | 15:24 |
| mwhahaha | it's kinda part of a user/usage guide anyway | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | should we have a single README for all modules? | 15:25 |
| bkero | There should at least be some document in the module to point to the docs | 15:25 |
| chem | readme are bigs because module are challenging | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | iurygregory started to copy puppet-keystone/README to doc.o.o but it's going to be a lot of copy paste for... why? | 15:25 |
| crinkle | don't take the readmes out of the modules, it's part of the puppetlabs approved modules criteria | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | bkero: exactly what I proposed in https://review.openstack.org/312779 | 15:25 |
| iurygregory | wow ^ | 15:25 |
| EmilienM | good point crinkle | 15:26 |
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| bkero | crinkle has a good point | 15:26 |
| iurygregory | yeah | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | well, end of the story for readmes then | 15:26 |
| crinkle | it's also just nice to have since a lot of puppet users will expect it to be there | 15:26 |
| EmilienM | :) | 15:26 |
| iurygregory | i'll abandon the patch =) | 15:26 |
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| chem | I'm not sure what is the problem with big readme ? | 15:26 |
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| EmilienM | ok let's give up that | 15:27 |
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| iurygregory | ok | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | though we should drop the release codenames / versions | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | crinkle: +1 on that? ^? | 15:27 |
| iurygregory | the wiki? | 15:27 |
| crinkle | EmilienM: sure | 15:27 |
| EmilienM | ok | 15:27 |
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| EmilienM | anything else about doc? | 15:27 |
| chem | more working quick working examples would certainly help a lot for people to bootstrap their own | 15:28 |
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| chem | as a side note to this the "tests" directory is deprecated | 15:28 |
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| chem | by puppet it's now the example directory | 15:28 |
| EmilienM | chem: cool, so maybe we need more example/*.pp ? | 15:28 |
| chem | I would be willing to make the change from test -> example first and then add more very simple working test to ... all modules :) | 15:29 |
| chem | s/test/example/ manifest | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | cool | 15:29 |
| EmilienM | yeah, contributions are welcome in this area, specially for people doing actual deployments | 15:30 |
| * EmilienM looks at mfisch and clayton :-) | 15:30 | |
| mfisch | sorry EmilienM im in the lab racking hw today | 15:30 |
| mfisch | looking | 15:30 |
| bkero | is this in each module? | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | bkero: yeah | 15:30 |
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| bkero | ok | 15:30 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: enjoy :) | 15:30 |
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| EmilienM | #topic open discussion | 15:31 |
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| chem | so first moving test -> example, then find the simplest working manifest for everything called "basic" | 15:31 |
| mfisch | EmilienM: working examples will be opinionated | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | feel free to raise outstanding bugs / reviews | 15:31 |
| EmilienM | mfisch: right, but good examples for newcommers | 15:31 |
| mfisch | the integration module is the best working example | 15:31 |
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| EmilienM | mfisch: look how many people come on irc and ask for examples of deployments | 15:31 |
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| EmilienM | chem: before you /join the channel, I asked the status on "investigate how to show puppet manifests for each beaker test" | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | should we postpone/cancel it? | 15:32 |
| chem | EmilienM: postpone one more week, I have faith! | 15:32 |
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| EmilienM | ahah ok | 15:32 |
| EmilienM | no pressure, just asking | 15:32 |
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| EmilienM | I'll let the meeting open 30 more seconds | 15:33 |
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| EmilienM | have a great day folks! and don't forget to brushing teeth | 15:34 |
| EmilienM | #endmeeting | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 10 15:34:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2016/puppet_openstack.2016-05-10-15.01.html | 15:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2016/puppet_openstack.2016-05-10-15.01.txt | 15:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2016/puppet_openstack.2016-05-10-15.01.log.html | 15:34 |
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