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| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k | 13:59 |
| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting | 13:59 |
| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 13:59 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Glance | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 13:59:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 13:59 |
| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 13:59 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 13:59 |
| flaper87 | That's our agenda for today | 13:59 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 13:59 |
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| tjcocozz_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:00 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | Just a quick heads up. I won't be able to stay till the end of the meeting because I've a doctors appointment. Does anyone want to co-chair the meeting with me and end it? | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | Otherwise I'm just gonna rush through it | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | ok, let me know as we go | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | #topic Glare updates | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glare updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:01 | |
| mfedosin | hey :) | 14:01 |
| mfedosin | we've started the development | 14:01 |
| mfedosin | there is my initial commit for glare v1 api | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | but it's in wip state | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | we're discussing the implementation with kairat all day | 14:02 |
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| mfedosin | and I'll update the code later | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | there are some things we want to implement | 14:03 |
| nikhil | o/ | 14:03 |
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| flaper87 | nice nice! | 14:03 |
| * nikhil sneaks in | 14:03 | |
| flaper87 | great work | 14:03 |
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| ninag | o/ | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | 1. we want to create special middleware to catch all exceptions | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | and map it to webob | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | so, we won't do it in api | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | ok, I think reviews on the API will start 2 weeks from now | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | erm, spec | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | Realistically, that's when we'll cut RC1 | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | until then, I'd rather have folks heads down on bugs | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | including you :P | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | flaper87: okay, I don't mind | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:04 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Updates cross project | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates cross project (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:04 | |
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| mfedosin | I wish to see your comment on you-know-what bug | 14:05 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil: btw, mind co-charing with me the meeting? I can't stay till the end and I need someone to end it | 14:05 |
| nikhil | flaper87: ok, sure | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | #chair nikhil | 14:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: flaper87 nikhil | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: cross-prj updateS? | 14:05 |
| nikhil | and that's the-prj topic | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:05 |
| nikhil | there are not much | 14:06 |
| nikhil | 1. First initial cross prj quotas mtg was success | 14:06 |
| nikhil | we got nice participations and some excellent questions | 14:06 |
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| flaper87 | awesome! Will try to catch up reading the logs | 14:06 |
| nikhil | but it's mostly brainstorming for now and possible involve more CPL discussions in the coming weeks | 14:06 |
| nikhil | sounds good | 14:07 |
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| nikhil | second thing | 14:07 |
| rosmaita | nikhil: what channel is the quotas meeting held in? | 14:07 |
| nikhil | 2. I wanted to remind everyone to please take a look at the default policy proposal for x-prj | 14:07 |
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| nikhil | #info Quotas WG meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Cross-project_Quotas_and_Nested_Quotas_Working_Group_Virtual_Standup | 14:07 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: ^ | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | ty | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: link to the default policy proposal ? | 14:08 |
| nikhil | 2. I knwo that I've brought this up before and I know people have been busy with releases so | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | that's a good reminder, I'd also love to see ppl's opinions there | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | at least a +1/-1 | 14:08 |
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| nikhil | I will reach out to individuals (those who have things to say) and take some feedback prior to summit on the policy changes affecting us | 14:09 |
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| nikhil | flaper87: getting the link.. | 14:09 |
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| nikhil | #info Common Default Policy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245629 | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | awesome, thanks | 14:09 |
| nikhil | #action all: Please review the common default policy x-prj proposal | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | anything else? Questions ? | 14:10 |
| nikhil | done | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | #topic Releases | 14:10 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287750/ (client 2.0.0) | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287175/ (glance M-3) | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287495/ (glance_store 0.13.0) | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | Those are our 3 releases for this week | 14:11 |
| nikhil | ++ | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | glanceclient 2.0.0. We need a major because we dropped support for pypy,py26py33 | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | Glance M-3 has been cut | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | and glance_store 0.13 is waiting (i think) | 14:11 |
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| flaper87 | we need 0.13 because we had to add a config option to fix an incompatibility in the vmware store | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | I just want to say: AWESOME WORK EVERYONE! | 14:11 |
| nikhil | has it been 2 cycles already dropping support for py26 on the client? | 14:12 |
| nikhil | flaper87: one quick ques | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | all client libraries dropped support for py26 and the gate jobs are not running anymore | 14:12 |
| nikhil | if we've dropped support for py26 on the client then the compat layer for nova xen api plugin won't work out of box with the client? | 14:12 |
| nikhil | that's just food for thought | 14:12 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil: that's a good point. We even have to support 2.4 for the xenplugin | 14:13 |
| nikhil | and something to discuss in that compat layer discussion | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: ++ | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | Ok, what do these releases mean? | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | It means we'll now focus *only* on bug fixes | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | find bugs, fix them, land them | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | There are some critical ones that are public, there are some others that the sec team is working on | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | we'll have another review day next monday so please, join :) | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | oh, and next week is also the bugsquash marathon | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | but nikhil will fill up with some extra info in a bit | 14:14 |
| rosmaita | smash and review | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | yeah! | 14:15 |
| nikhil | ++ | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | So, RC1 is 2 weeks from now. Ideally, we shouldn't need an RC2 so, lets try t oget as many bug fixes in as possible | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | As an advice, please, be very careful with API changes and config options | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | we shouldn't be doing any of those at this stage | 14:15 |
| nikhil | how is the soft doc freeze going this cycle? | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | avoid anything that changes the behavior of the API (unless there's a super good reason but bring it up for discussion first) | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | and don't add new config options and stuff | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | It's starting this week as well | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | and it'll end 2 weeks from now | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | I haven't seen much changes on that area | 14:16 |
| nikhil | so we will need exceptions for each of those ? | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | Likely, yep | 14:17 |
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| flaper87 | ok, questions? | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | #topic Feature Freeze Exceptions | 14:17 |
| nikhil | did the CIM one land? | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feature Freeze Exceptions (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:17 | |
| flaper87 | nikhil: yup | 14:17 |
| nikhil | cool | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | I wanted to have a topic for this because I find it super cool that we won't have FFE's this cycle | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | Literally all the pending features landed | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | There are 2 that are being moved to newton but those are for glance_Store | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | and there's the image refactor which we knew was not going to make it | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | So, again, AWESOME WORK everyone | 14:18 |
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| flaper87 | thanks for all the reviews and let's now keep that effort going a bit longer to get many bugs fixed | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/specs/mitaka/index.html | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286728/ | 14:19 |
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| flaper87 | I'll be moving the image import refactor out of Mitaka soon. I want to finalize the discussion first | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | thanks. Seriously, thanks for all the code and reviews! | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | questions? | 14:20 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Summit planning | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit planning (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:20 | |
| flaper87 | I've started this etherpad: | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-glance-summit-planning | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | Please, start putting topics in there that you'd like to discuss in Austin | 14:21 |
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| nikhil | awesome! | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | I've put 2, I think | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | let's add lots of stuff there | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | comment on that, etc, etc | 14:21 |
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| flaper87 | we'll be discussing those as part of our meetings to be able t ocome up with a nice schedule | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | and then work on the priorities for Newton | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | PTL Nominations are in 2 weeks. | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | i nominage flaper87 | 14:22 |
| rosmaita | *nominate | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | If you know already whether you'll run or not for the PTL position, pls, let me know so we can work together :D | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: <3 | 14:22 |
| * flaper87 hugs rosmaita | 14:22 | |
| flaper87 | thanks | 14:22 |
| * flaper87 knows how to keep secrets | 14:23 | |
| flaper87 | "except for that time when my sister said ..." | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | ok, jokes apart! | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | Looking forward to all your proposals | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | this is going to be an awesome summit :) | 14:23 |
| bunting | Can people not attending submit ideas for discussion? | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | of cours | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | of course | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | bunting: if you have a topic put it htere | 14:23 |
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| flaper87 | we'll find someone that you can pair with to drive that session | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | If the planets align, we can even have a video call with you | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:24 |
| bunting | Great :) | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | ok, folks. If there are no other questions, I'll start the open discussion and step out | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:25 | |
| flaper87 | nikhil: thanks for ending the meeting | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | I'll probably be out for the rest of the day. Not sure! | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | Please, keep an eye on gates since we just released a bunch of stuff | 14:25 |
| nikhil | flaper87: ah , have fun | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:25 |
| nikhil | or whatever your plan is :) | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: doctor's appointment | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | .... | 14:26 |
| nikhil | oops | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | ttyl | 14:26 |
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| nikhil | Does anyone have anything? | 14:28 |
| tjcocozz_ | hey everyone just a quick question, sphinx is suppose to be generating module docs but i can't find them anywhere... | 14:28 |
| tjcocozz_ | any clues? | 14:28 |
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| nikhil | tjcocozz_: is that a general question or related to glance? | 14:29 |
| tjcocozz_ | yes | 14:29 |
| nikhil | tjcocozz_: :) yes, as in general question? | 14:29 |
| tjcocozz_ | nikhil, yes it is a general glance question | 14:29 |
| nikhil | heh | 14:30 |
| tjcocozz_ | nikhil, should i take it up in the channel? | 14:30 |
| nikhil | tjcocozz_: I think you want to reach out to docs team for this | 14:30 |
| nikhil | if nothing more, let's close the meeting | 14:32 |
| tjcocozz_ | nikhil, its inside the glance repo that it is setup. https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/doc/source/conf.py#L34 | 14:32 |
| tjcocozz_ | nikhil, okay i will try the doc team | 14:32 |
| nikhil | tjcocozz_: yeah, it's setup that way to help keep things tightly coupled but it's setup by the doc team | 14:32 |
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| tjcocozz_ | nikhil, oh good to know. I just find it useful and i was trying to find it for glance. | 14:33 |
| tjcocozz_ | nikhil, thanks! | 14:33 |
| nikhil | tjcocozz_: unless this is what you're looking for http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/ | 14:33 |
| nikhil | at the bottom of the page | 14:34 |
| nikhil | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/#glance-manual-pages | 14:34 |
| tjcocozz_ | nikhil, this is keystones: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/api/modules.html | 14:34 |
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| tjcocozz_ | nikhil, i clicked through all the links and couldn't find it. | 14:35 |
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| nikhil | tjcocozz_: that's weird, sounds like a good bug then | 14:36 |
| nikhil | tjcocozz_: thanks for bringing it up! please do share your findings on -glance with us | 14:36 |
| tjcocozz_ | nikhil, if you look here keystone had to do something special in the conf.ph | 14:36 |
| tjcocozz_ | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/doc/source/conf.py#L29 | 14:36 |
| tjcocozz_ | i tried it in glance but it didn't help generate them. | 14:37 |
| tjcocozz_ | nikhil, okay lets not hold everyone up. if i find anything i will let you know | 14:37 |
| nikhil | tjcocozz_: thanks! | 14:38 |
| tjcocozz_ | nikhil, thank you! | 14:38 |
| nikhil | Thanks all! | 14:38 |
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| nikhil | #endmeeting | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 14:38:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-03-03-13.59.html | 14:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-03-03-13.59.txt | 14:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2016/glance.2016-03-03-13.59.log.html | 14:38 |
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| TravT_ | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 15:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| TravT_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| nikhil | o/ | 15:01 |
| yingjun | o/ | 15:01 |
| lei-zh | o/ | 15:01 |
| TravT_ | sjmc7: are you there? | 15:02 |
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| TravT_ | hi lakshmiS | 15:02 |
| sjmc7 | hi | 15:02 |
| TravT_ | how is everybody today? | 15:02 |
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| sjmc7 | sleepy | 15:04 |
| lakshmiS | hi travis. more or less same | 15:04 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:04 |
| rosmaita | late | 15:04 |
| TravT_ | yeah, i'm a bit sleepy as well... couldn't help getting up at 1 am and working a bit | 15:04 |
| TravT_ | anyway, i know it is late ofr lei-zh and yingjun | 15:04 |
| TravT_ | so, agenda is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:04 |
| TravT_ | add anything you see fit | 15:05 |
| TravT_ | #topic mitaka 3 | 15:05 |
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| TravT_ | The searchlight client has a release! | 15:05 |
| TravT_ | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-searchlightclient/0.2.0 | 15:06 |
| TravT_ | on the downside, I followed old instructions to do it | 15:06 |
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| TravT_ | and bypassed the new route | 15:06 |
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| sjmc7 | any port in a storm | 15:07 |
| TravT_ | but chatted with dhellmann | 15:07 |
| TravT_ | and he said it was okay | 15:07 |
| TravT_ | and to go ahead and put up the normal review | 15:07 |
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| TravT_ | So I put that up: Release management: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287439/ | 15:07 |
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| TravT_ | I also updated the patch adding SL client to global requirements | 15:08 |
| TravT_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268394/ | 15:08 |
| TravT_ | once that lands, we can fix our devstack script. | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | yay | 15:08 |
| TravT_ | but whatever the case. great work to all in getting that out! | 15:09 |
| lei-zh | cool | 15:09 |
| TravT_ | so, we also need to tag mitaka 3 for the service | 15:09 |
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| TravT_ | i believe we should see if we can land the neutron plugin and swift plugin today | 15:10 |
| TravT_ | i've looked through both | 15:10 |
| TravT_ | but reviews on those two will be especially appreciated | 15:11 |
| yingjun | and i uploaded a new patch to fix the README as Travis found: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287555/ | 15:11 |
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| TravT_ | yingjun: thanks! | 15:11 |
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| lakshmiS | the swift plugin is functionally complete with some patches for review comments coming up today | 15:12 |
| TravT_ | yeah, let's talk swift for a minute. | 15:12 |
| TravT_ | #topic swift | 15:12 |
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| TravT_ | the swift team is having a hackathon this week | 15:12 |
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| TravT_ | sjmc7 sent a request to get our need for notifications onto their agenda | 15:13 |
| TravT_ | turns out a number of people wanted that topic | 15:13 |
| * notmyname lurks | 15:13 | |
| TravT_ | so yesterday sjmc7 and i dialed in and had a lively discussion with the team. | 15:13 |
| TravT_ | notmyname: hello | 15:13 |
| TravT_ | notmyname: i'll give my impression and then you can correct me | 15:14 |
| notmyname | I'm listening to one person while reviewing code for another and also in here. yes, please carry on with your summary :-) | 15:14 |
| TravT_ | search is very interesting to many people involved with swift | 15:14 |
| TravT_ | and the need to index data is pretty well agreed on | 15:15 |
| TravT_ | but, doing notifications via traditional middleware and rabbitmq was worrisome to the team. | 15:15 |
| TravT_ | so a lot of discussion went around about how to best accomplish this | 15:15 |
| TravT_ | and the agreement seemed to be that we'd like to try an approach that allows swift to call some searchlight library code where they essentially directly send updates through to searchlight / elasticsearch | 15:16 |
| TravT_ | and the swift team would look at various options to integrate it at the most appropriate layer in swift | 15:16 |
| notmyname | yes, that sounds all correct to me | 15:17 |
| TravT_ | cool | 15:17 |
| notmyname | does that make sense to everyone else? I can answer any questions you have about it | 15:18 |
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| sjmc7 | i am in favor of removing moving parts, but i’d like to speak to our ceilometer team about issues they had with rabbit | 15:18 |
| notmyname | and we (swift) have one request of you (searchlight): some example code on how to add something to the index | 15:18 |
| lakshmiS | i guess the question would be - is that the only option? | 15:18 |
| notmyname | that == no rabbit? | 15:19 |
| lakshmiS | yes | 15:19 |
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| notmyname | we've had at least 2 medium to large production clusters that have specifically rejected using rabbit to transport notifications from swift. seems the problems are mostly with the receivers keeping up | 15:19 |
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| sjmc7 | notmyname: we can (will) point you at the current code, though it’d obviously need some refactoring to be plugged into other projects | 15:20 |
| sjmc7 | ah, yes, rmq doesn’t deal well with that | 15:20 |
| notmyname | and other deployers who are exploring search integration as well and are looking for more efficient ways to do index updates | 15:20 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, doing it directly is certainly more efficient | 15:21 |
| lakshmiS | yeah in that case direct updates to searchlight will more or less resemble the plugin code in searchlight | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | handling errors (which we spoke about) is potentially complicated | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | but we can deal with that | 15:21 |
| notmyname | yeah, and the thought is basically "we're just dumping stuff on a queue so that it can go to an indexer and put it on its own work queue. can we just skip that first part?" | 15:22 |
| TravT_ | notmyname: we were thinking we could get a bit of that code refactored to support this usage concept as well before sending it to you. | 15:22 |
| notmyname | cool | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | right. although the argument in favor of queues is that in theory they can handle burst high loads | 15:22 |
| TravT_ | notmyname: question for you | 15:22 |
| TravT_ | if SL or ES is down, does swift have built in mechanisms for retry | 15:23 |
| TravT_ | or would any client code of SL need to handle that? | 15:23 |
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| notmyname | softlayer or espana? | 15:23 |
| notmyname | I don't know what SL or ES is | 15:23 |
| TravT_ | SL = searchlight. ES = elasticsearch | 15:23 |
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| notmyname | but yeah. if you heard on the phone, our conversation was that *anything* we do has to be best-effort. swift will need to retry if it doesn't get a success from the other side | 15:24 |
| notmyname | ok :) | 15:24 |
| TravT_ | notmyname | 15:24 |
| TravT_ | yeah, that's what we were wondering | 15:25 |
| TravT_ | and i was thinking we could potentially use messaging as backup | 15:25 |
| notmyname | retrying and algorithms that still make progress is a common pattern in swift. although this code isn't yet written (so technically, no, we don't yest have built in retries for it), I wouldn't expect it to land without that functionality. it's the only way to scale | 15:25 |
| TravT_ | ok. | 15:26 |
| TravT_ | well, i think this is great progress | 15:26 |
| TravT_ | and we're very interested in trying out this direct pattern | 15:26 |
| notmyname | no, I don't think we'd want to see messaging as a backup. messaging (even if it scaled) is viewed as the optimization that can fail and itself needs a backup. message queues arent' reliable | 15:26 |
| lakshmiS | :) | 15:26 |
| TravT_ | btw, for everybody here. Monday night i put together a brief demo of POC swift object search in the new horizon searchlight panel https://youtu.be/-Io8uaNLrVc?vq=hd720 | 15:28 |
| notmyname | cool | 15:28 |
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| nikhil | that's awesome! | 15:28 |
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| TravT_ | ok, so anything else to talk about re: swift for today? | 15:29 |
| lakshmiS | so for mitaka, SL swift plugin will be tagged as Experimental until notification middlware lands(direct call from swift in future) | 15:29 |
| TravT_ | right. we did the same last release for glance metadefs. | 15:29 |
| TravT_ | very clearly documented. | 15:30 |
| TravT_ | disabled by default | 15:30 |
| lakshmiS | yes in devstack and docs | 15:30 |
| lakshmiS | will pull sjmc code and push it to SL repo today | 15:31 |
| lakshmiS | which is a swift patch currently | 15:31 |
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| TravT_ | ok, on to next | 15:33 |
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| TravT_ | #topic feature freeze exceptions | 15:34 |
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| TravT_ | it looks like zero downtime reindexing will need it. as well as cinder plugin | 15:34 |
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| TravT_ | both have had several rounds of patches | 15:34 |
| TravT_ | and are close | 15:35 |
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| sjmc7 | i’m working on cinder today | 15:35 |
| TravT_ | lei-zh what is the status on the zaqar forwarder? | 15:36 |
| lei-zh | I'll rebase it and some feedback is welcome | 15:37 |
| yingjun | any link for the cinder one? | 15:37 |
| lei-zh | should I extract the data enhancement from the es indexing plugins | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | yingjun: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280273/ | 15:38 |
| TravT_ | yingjun: 280273 | 15:38 |
| yingjun | ok, thanks | 15:38 |
| TravT_ | ok | 15:40 |
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| TravT_ | so, let's all attack reviews. | 15:40 |
| TravT_ | is there ability / interest in a live review day next Tuesday? | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | sure | 15:41 |
| lakshmiS | what time? | 15:41 |
| TravT_ | I can do pretty much all morning | 15:41 |
| TravT_ | so what time works for you? | 15:42 |
| TravT_ | i know this is late for yingjun | 15:42 |
| rosmaita | TravT_: global openstack hackdays are 7-9 | 15:42 |
| TravT_ | ah, right | 15:42 |
| lakshmiS | is that pst? | 15:42 |
| TravT_ | march 7 - 9 | 15:42 |
| lakshmiS | oh | 15:42 |
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| TravT_ | #topic hackdays | 15:43 |
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| TravT_ | rosmaita: nikhil: how are these different than just doing my every day job? | 15:43 |
| nikhil | not much, for most active folks | 15:43 |
| nikhil | it will be a lot of active folks all over the world | 15:43 |
| rosmaita | big difference for me | 15:44 |
| nikhil | you may see a surge of bugs taken | 15:44 |
| nikhil | possibly and hopefully a ton for you to review | 15:44 |
| nikhil | foundation and team wants it to help make a stable and successful release | 15:44 |
| nikhil | so the side-effects are accordingly | 15:45 |
| * nikhil done | 15:45 | |
| TravT_ | ok. well, it sounds very interesting. | 15:45 |
| TravT_ | last week you had a link | 15:45 |
| TravT_ | can you share again? | 15:45 |
| nikhil | https://twitter.com/nikhilskomawar/status/704518613026230273 | 15:46 |
| nikhil | TravT_: oh, which link? | 15:46 |
| nikhil | I got that one for lakshmiS (scrolling back logs) | 15:46 |
| TravT_ | oh looks like we'd want to add candidate bugs to here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Mitaka-Bugs | 15:47 |
| nikhil | I got that twitter as I am hoping there was be some conversations around it | 15:47 |
| lakshmiS | cool | 15:47 |
| nikhil | some folks said they had some .. | 15:47 |
| nikhil | meh :| | 15:47 |
| nikhil | TravT_: correct | 15:47 |
| TravT_ | so we can put up new bugs for fixing and bug reviews | 15:48 |
| TravT_ | ? | 15:48 |
| nikhil | TravT_: yes please | 15:48 |
| TravT_ | well, maybe we should just do that right now | 15:49 |
| nikhil | s/was/will/ | 15:49 |
| TravT_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight | 15:49 |
| TravT_ | any on there we would like to see if we can get attention on from bug day? | 15:49 |
| sjmc7 | 1538349 has a patch up but is tricky to test | 15:50 |
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| sjmc7 | it’s sort of tough figuring out how much effort it would be for someone to come in cold and be able to work on things | 15:51 |
| TravT_ | yeah, i know | 15:51 |
| nikhil | oh! | 15:51 |
| nikhil | I've seen that in glance before | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | yeah :) | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | we’rte using the same code :) | 15:51 |
| TravT_ | but if somebody has interest, would love to enable them. | 15:51 |
| nikhil | haha | 15:51 |
| nikhil | ++ | 15:52 |
| nikhil | I think it will help | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | maybe some of the e-s 2.0 compatibility stuff | 15:52 |
| nikhil | we can give prize in the NYC center who solves it!!! :D | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | that’s not urgent for this release but we will need in N | 15:52 |
| nikhil | muhaha | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | i think we’ll find more bugs next week as we start testing more | 15:52 |
| TravT_ | And the "Solved ALL THE THINGS" award goes to.... | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | last release you found a bunch from working on the horizon panel as we got up to the summit | 15:53 |
| TravT_ | maybe we should have a bug for each of the sets of missing functional tests. | 15:53 |
| sjmc7 | yeah.. | 15:53 |
| nikhil | TravT_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1526856 | 15:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1526856 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Refactor plugin unit test code" [Medium,New] | 15:53 |
| nikhil | I think someone would def like that one | 15:53 |
| TravT_ | sjmc7 you okay with that? | 15:54 |
| TravT_ | let's open a bug for each group of functional tests | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | sure | 15:55 |
| TravT_ | maybe we should open a bug for functional tests needing to run on zuul | 15:55 |
| TravT_ | that'd be a great one to get solved | 15:55 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. | 15:55 |
| TravT_ | it is currently a BP | 15:55 |
| TravT_ | but i'd be happy to switch it to a bug | 15:55 |
| sjmc7 | getting e-s installed on the test nodes is i think the main blocker | 15:55 |
| nikhil | you can link bugs to BP | 15:55 |
| TravT_ | ok, I'll open that one and add to the etherpad | 15:56 |
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| nikhil | that way all of the tests are congregated | 15:56 |
| TravT_ | lakshmiS sjmc7 any chance you could open a bug for each set of functional tests missing? | 15:57 |
| TravT_ | then add to the bug smash etherpad? | 15:57 |
| lakshmiS | sure | 15:57 |
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| TravT_ | cool, thanks | 15:57 |
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| TravT_ | ok will add more later, but i opened the zull one | 15:59 |
| TravT_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1552767 | 15:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1552767 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Enable running of functional tests in zuul" [Undecided,New] | 15:59 |
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| TravT_ | it looks like we are out of time for today | 16:00 |
| TravT_ | thanks everybody | 16:00 |
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| TravT_ | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 16:00:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-03-03-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-03-03-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2016/openstack_search.2016-03-03-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| michaelgugino | here | 16:00 |
| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack-Ansible | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 16:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack-Ansible)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible' | 16:00 |
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| prometheanfire | \o/ | 16:00 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:00 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 16:01 |
| automagically | o/ | 16:01 |
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| mattt | \o for a few mins | 16:02 |
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| jmccrory | o/ | 16:03 |
| palendae | o/ | 16:03 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Topics for Discussion - Newton Summit Planning | 16:04 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-newton-summit | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | Hi everyone, and welcome. | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | Thank you for making the time to be here! | 16:04 |
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| odyssey4me | We've been asked for a count of which types of which rooms we want for what sessions at the Newton/Austin summit. | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | I've taken the liberty to propose some work sessions. These are simply proposals, some of which I'd like volunteers for moderation and to fill out the details. | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | Also, any other sessions can be proposed. | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | We learned from the mid-cycle that discussions need to be centred around a body of work and should have ideal outcomes set up-front. | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | As I recall each work session is typically 40 mins or so, so please bear that in mind when planning for moderation. | 16:07 |
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| odyssey4me | good proposal automagically | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | please vote on sessions you'd like to see happen | 16:08 |
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| odyssey4me | and add additional proposals | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | In my personal view, I think we should focus more on having work sessions this summit. | 16:09 |
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| automagically | +1 | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | jmccrory I left out an Ansible 2 work planning session. Please add it as a proposed topic. | 16:10 |
| jmccrory | sure | 16:10 |
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| automagically | Not seeing any votes on MultiOS…FWIW, my opinion is we have much bigger fish to fry before worrying about supporting additional platforms | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | automagically yep, that's fair | 16:13 |
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| cloudnull | +1 | 16:15 |
| automagically | Nice addition Nolan | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | i'd love to see the multi-os go however there's a ton of work that could be more important. | 16:15 |
| palendae | automagically: Eh? | 16:15 |
| palendae | I think that's Jesse | 16:15 |
| automagically | Whoops, sorry. Too many purples in the Etherpad | 16:16 |
| palendae | Fixed | 16:16 |
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| odyssey4me | lol | 16:17 |
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| automagically | So, one day for work sessions? Just trying to figure out how many we ultimately will need to winnow the list down to | 16:19 |
| automagically | Austin will be my first summit, so excuse the newb question | 16:19 |
| palendae | automagically: They can potentially be split across multiple days | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | automagically the design summit typically runs for 3 days | 16:20 |
| palendae | Comes down to room allocation | 16:20 |
| automagically | Oh cool | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | we will ask for x sessions which will be spread across the days | 16:20 |
| automagically | So potentially we could get all of these that have votes | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | we also can use the contributor day on Friday/Monday | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | depending on how they organize that this go | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | we may not get the number we want, so we may have to prioritise accordingly | 16:20 |
| palendae | automagically: Potentially, but they're also balancing slots/rooms across all projects | 16:21 |
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| automagically | Re Windmill - define “external CI implementation” | 16:22 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, let me cover that | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | you may have seen pabelanger in channel quite often | 16:22 |
| automagically | Indeed | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | he's been working on various ansible roles to implement zuul, disk-image-builder, and other bits which facilitate the implementation of continuous integration tooling based on technologies used by OpenStack-CI | 16:23 |
| automagically | Aha | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | his work is looking for a home, and he's familiar with OpenStack-CI | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | he's asked if we'd be keen on having his work as a sub-project or something | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | so I think it'd be great if we could have him tell us about the work he's done | 16:24 |
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| automagically | odyssey4me: +1, can you drop a link to git repo(s) under that one | 16:24 |
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| odyssey4me | also, I've spoken to several deployers in the past few months and CI/CD is quite a hot topic | 16:24 |
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| automagically | Looks like voting and new topics have died off | 16:25 |
| automagically | Next topic? | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | +1 seems like people will chew on that a bit | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | we can move on | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | IMO | 16:26 |
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| odyssey4me | it'd be nice if we could take the lead on providing tooling to make CI/CD go | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | yes, the last word on this is that we need to have this planning sorted asap | 16:26 |
| automagically | odyssey4me: Agreed, but priorities wise for deployers/operators using OSA, its bound to be lower priority than adding support for more functionality and getting docs/tests/quality of OSA up | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | so I'd like to ask that everyone put time in to figure out which sessions you want to moderate and add your name to it | 16:27 |
| michaelgugino | CI/CD is more important to me than more roles | 16:27 |
| automagically | michaelgugino: Interesting, would love to hear why after the meeting | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | right, next topic | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Discussion - Define core team expectations/Add non-Rackspace cores | 16:28 |
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| odyssey4me | automagically - your floor :) | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://review.openstack.org/286858 | 16:28 |
| automagically | Did you all have a chance to read through and think about https://review.openstack.org/286858 | 16:28 |
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| automagically | I didn’t see many votes and nearly 0 comments from existing cores | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | Ive not read that . however i will now. | 16:29 |
| automagically | Of course lots of other stuff has been going on | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | should we let it simmer for a week and re-address it in next week's meeting with the view to merge it by the end of next week? | 16:29 |
| automagically | I think the key is to call out any misleading and controversial content in the review | 16:29 |
| automagically | odyssey4me: That works | 16:30 |
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| odyssey4me | ok cool - I think wwe're a bit short on time to actually have a full discussion | 16:30 |
| automagically | agreed | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | I think it's best to discuss and address in review | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | we have the channel to smoothe out any misunderstandings | 16:31 |
| automagically | next topic then | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | next topic | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Discussion - Pinning pip and related dependencies | 16:31 |
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| odyssey4me | thanks for all the support in the last few days, I think we're finally out the door on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:repeatable-build | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | we may have to apply one more patch to kilo for setuptools, or to align the approach at least | 16:31 |
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| odyssey4me | any questions or comments before we move on? | 16:32 |
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| automagically | none here | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | nope | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Discussion - Support for multiple availability zones | 16:32 |
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| odyssey4me | is admin0 around? | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | I think we've kinda discussed this and agreed to address it in the next iteration of the inventory | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:33 |
| odyssey4me | Are we happy to remove this from the agenda? | 16:33 |
| michaelgugino | sure | 16:33 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Release Planning and Decisions | 16:34 |
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| odyssey4me | Alright, we're a week overdue on tagging Liberty & Kilo | 16:34 |
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| odyssey4me | we have the pip/wheel/setuptools world breaking pain last week this time | 16:34 |
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| odyssey4me | Once https://review.openstack.org/287161 has merged I think we're good to tag Liberty. Kilo may need a similar patch, then we should be good to go. | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | Any thoughts/comments? | 16:35 |
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| cloudnull | i think it'd be wise to submit that to kilo | 16:35 |
| automagically | cloudnull: +1 | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to patch the Kilo branch with a backport of https://review.openstack.org/287161 | 16:35 |
| odyssey4me | yep, I think so too | 16:35 |
| cloudnull | it uses a different wheel building process however downstream deployers will find that valuable | 16:36 |
| odyssey4me | I think that Liberty may be missing the repo_build/repo_server changes from master. cloudnull can you patch those in too? | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | sure thing | 16:36 |
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| cloudnull | Im working on fixing my merge conflicts today. ill bang that out too | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | #action cloudnull to patch in the repetable-build changes from repo_build/repo_server in order to finalise the repeatability. | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | I know there are a few packages which aren't covered by upper-constraints, and therefore aren't fully covered by the repeatable deployment... they're fringe though, so not terribly impactful, I think | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | i think we're rather safe in that regard. | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | mitaka-3 is effectively now, and we're a bit behind | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | mitaka-3 to rc1 is supposed to be a time of bedding down the code and ensuring that bugs are ironed out | 16:39 |
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| odyssey4me | so I suggest that we all get behind finishing up getting functional testing into the independent roles | 16:39 |
| jmccrory | concern with tagging liberty is that the upgrade script is half implemented, it looks like if someone were to attempt it now it will install independent roles and then remove rabbit queues/exchanges that would still be in use | 16:40 |
| jmccrory | breaking a deployment | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | i think its ok to be a bit behind on this relaese. I mean we should rev forward however if we dont ship a stable tag on the day of releaes I wont shed any tears. | 16:40 |
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| odyssey4me | jmccrory sure - perhaps we should make the upgrade script hard exit at the start with a warning that the work is incomplete? | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | we have a lot of things in mothion right now . | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | palendae thoughts? | 16:41 |
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| odyssey4me | cloudnull ++ agreed | 16:41 |
| palendae | That's the exact reason I didn't want to submit this work in pieces like this | 16:42 |
| palendae | I would appreciate it if someone could take on that exiting patch though | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | jmccrory can you put a note into all the upgrade docs and the script to make sure that it's clear that this is still a WIP | 16:42 |
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| jmccrory | sure | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | we can smash that through and I'll tag once that's done | 16:43 |
| palendae | Thanks | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | #action jmccrory To make the upgrade script for Kilo->Liberty hard exit with a warning that the work is incomplete, and to add notes into the docs to make it clear there too. | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | Thanks jmccrory | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Blueprint work | 16:44 |
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| odyssey4me | Any news on any of the blueprint work? michaelgugino automagically logan- vdo ? | 16:44 |
| automagically | I haven’t had a chance to touch DVR/OVS, IRR really took over | 16:45 |
| michaelgugino | I've been wrapped up in other things, haven't had a change to touch that stuff. Hoping to finally get to some today | 16:45 |
| automagically | That and some test deployments | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | ok, no worries - none of those items were really promised in this cycle anyway... they were late starters and can happily be done next cycle | 16:45 |
| odyssey4me | I do think that implementing more functional testing in the roles is top priority. | 16:46 |
| odyssey4me | It's a good chance for us to get more familiar. | 16:46 |
| automagically | +1 | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull any thoughts on how we could split up the work? | 16:47 |
| automagically | There appear to be some reusable patterns around inventory manipulation and container build out within the IRR tests | 16:47 |
| automagically | As well as the testing pattern that was discussed yesterday in channel around standalone tests vs full-on, all deps tests | 16:48 |
| automagically | I bring this up, because what would help me is a high level vision of how we want IRR testing to be | 16:48 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me: hard to say . keystone needs to be done first and that pattern copied to all other roles. | 16:48 |
| automagically | keystone does look very well fleshed out. However, reading the test impl left me scratching my head at a few points | 16:49 |
| odyssey4me | automagically it's kinda hard to say as we're kinda learning as we go here | 16:49 |
| automagically | Fair enough | 16:49 |
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| cloudnull | automagically: i think we can aim for a full multi node test wich is the OSA use case and the deviate from there. | 16:49 |
| automagically | I’m okay with that, I guess I’m suggesting that we converge on a couple core patterns soon | 16:49 |
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| odyssey4me | yeah, I've been trying to get a standalone build working for ironic and have had similar head scratches :) | 16:49 |
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| odyssey4me | perhaps we should etherpad some thoughts and coalesce it into a plan? | 16:50 |
| michaelgugino | test directory calls other roles necessary for completion? | 16:50 |
| automagically | Well, perhaps we can commit to more in-channel conversation around testing patterns | 16:50 |
| automagically | And/or etherpad | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | the keystone multi-node tests did work (they we're a WIP though) so I'd suggest we start there. | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull agreed, perhaps we should assess how it's done there and figure out a pattern we like | 16:50 |
| automagically | michaelgugino: Not sure I understand your question | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | once that's done and merged, we can divvy up the rest of the roles and give it a go | 16:51 |
| stevelle | limit of in-channel is cross-tz | 16:51 |
| jmccrory | odyssey4me looking at bifrost might be helpful for ironic's test https://github.com/openstack/bifrost | 16:51 |
| michaelgugino | for the role testing. If you need keystone to be up, we should be able to call that role. | 16:51 |
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| odyssey4me | michaelgugino yes, tox.ini contains the basic test execution - it calls the tests/test.yml playbook | 16:51 |
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| cloudnull | the one thing that we need to figure out is how to run tempest or (something else) to verify the roles functionality. or is a convergence test good enough for now ? | 16:51 |
| odyssey4me | the tests directory has its own inventory, custom for the test for that role | 16:51 |
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| palendae | Testing some of these things in complete isolation probably isn't feasible - as pointed out, many of them will rely on at least keystone | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | ++ ^ | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull I'd say we start with just a convergence test, then add a functional test as a next work item. | 16:52 |
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| cloudnull | odyssey4me: +1 | 16:52 |
| automagically | odyssey4me: +1 | 16:52 |
| automagically | +1 on etherpad vs in-channel | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | right now we have nothing, so we're vulnerable to pretty basic errors | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | +1 on etherpad | 16:52 |
| odyssey4me | ok, cloudnull can you setup an etherpad | 16:53 |
| odyssey4me | #action cloudnull to setup an IRR functional test planning etherpad | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/testing-os-roles | 16:53 |
| stevelle | please add link to etherpad to the channel topic | 16:53 |
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| odyssey4me | automagically & jmccrory can you please quizz cloudnull to your heart's content over the evening to figure out a structure and some sort of game plan | 16:53 |
| odyssey4me | stevelle ^ | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | good idea stevelle | 16:54 |
| automagically | odyssey4me: +1 | 16:54 |
| automagically | I’ll try to be gentle cloudnull | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to set channel topic to include link to IRR functional testing etherpad | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | automagically: no need to be gentle | 16:55 |
| automagically | ;) | 16:55 |
| cloudnull | :) | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | I'll be out after this meeting, so I'll take a look in the morning and mattt and I can do some further quizzing and examinning. | 16:55 |
| spotz | o/ really late | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | michaelgugino of course you're welcome to dive in too if you have the time | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | as is anyone else | 16:55 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, we're close to being out of time, so let's switch topics | 16:56 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Open Dicussion | 16:56 |
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| odyssey4me | o/ spotz | 16:56 |
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| odyssey4me | any topics for discussion | 16:57 |
| automagically | Thoughts on how we get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242225 as part of gate | 16:57 |
| odyssey4me | ? | 16:57 |
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| automagically | And this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287571/ | 16:57 |
| odyssey4me | I think we should have an inventory-test tox target, then add a job in the integrated gate to execute the test | 16:58 |
| automagically | I did some reading on jenkins job builder and project profiles, but I can’t say its entirely clear to me how we would run these tests and whether or not they should be in an existing step or not | 16:58 |
| michaelgugino | I like the idea, but the particular check implemented is not very useful IMO | 16:58 |
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| odyssey4me | we could also add it to the end of the linters tox target | 16:58 |
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| odyssey4me | michaelgugino probably true, but it's a start :) | 16:58 |
| automagically | michaelgugino: Agreed that the testing is limited, but I think we need to get started | 16:58 |
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| automagically | Next logical step seems to be getting it into tox and running | 16:59 |
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| automagically | So we can at least be ready to evaluate ongoing inventory changes | 16:59 |
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| odyssey4me | we could trial it as the last item in the linters target | 16:59 |
| automagically | I’ll see what I can do to get it added to the linters target | 16:59 |
| odyssey4me | we're out of time | 16:59 |
| odyssey4me | thanks all! | 17:00 |
| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 17:00:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| automagically | thx odyssey4me and michaelgugino for your feedback | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-03-03-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-03-03-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible/2016/openstack_ansible.2016-03-03-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| cloudnull | cheers! | 17:00 |
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| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 17:00:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
| cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:00 |
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| vikram_ | hi | 17:01 |
| raofei | hi, everyone | 17:01 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | hi vikram_ s3wong | 17:01 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | hi raofei pcarver | 17:01 |
| fsunaval | hi cathy_ | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | hi fsunaval | 17:02 |
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| cathy_ | any topic you would like to discuss today? I have some topics | 17:02 |
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| vikram_ | using L2 extension for SFC | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: yes, that is the one on my mind too | 17:03 |
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| cathy_ | hi mohankumar_ | 17:03 |
| mohankumar_ | Hi cathy_ | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | #topic use new L2 extension API in SFC | 17:04 |
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| cathy_ | here is the link to this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/ | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/ | 17:04 |
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| fsunaval | I've had a look at this. Each app essentially needs to request a cookie from the l2 extension api. It then needs to call the L2 extension API with the cookie information whenever it needs to install a flow. | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | This one has been merged into Neutron's master. So we need to change our SFC L2 agent code to use this new one. | 17:06 |
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| cathy_ | fsunaval: great, thanks for sharing the info! | 17:06 |
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| raofei | it seems this solution doesn't support manager the ovs pipeline. | 17:07 |
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| vikram_ | raofei: we can ask ihar about our req | 17:08 |
| cathy_ | raofei: could you clarify what you mean by managing the OVS pipeline? | 17:08 |
| vikram_ | raofei: he promised to support | 17:08 |
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| cathy_ | Shouldn't it support programming the OVS table? | 17:09 |
| vikram_ | ihrachys: raofei has few doubts | 17:10 |
| raofei | if multiple services are integrated, there are maybe pipeline resource conflict. | 17:10 |
| vikram_ | ihrachys: can you plz clarify | 17:10 |
| fsunaval | yes, I already asked the committers. See patch 30 response. | 17:10 |
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| raofei | OK, vikaram | 17:10 |
| fsunaval | this was not within the scope of their commit is what the response says. | 17:11 |
| cathy_ | I remember when this was discussed in last Tokyo Summit, there is suggestion to put a service type to distinguish different services's table | 17:11 |
| raofei | that's good | 17:12 |
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| cathy_ | fsunaval: raofei would you like to think about how to add this missing pieces, talk with Ihar, and maybe submit a bug for this? | 17:13 |
| LouisF | fsunaval: that patch only uses cookie to identify rules installed by different drivers, not the resolution of rule conflicts | 17:13 |
| cathy_ | I mean submit a bug to Neutron and then upload a patch to fix this | 17:13 |
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| LouisF | that is a much more challenging problem | 17:14 |
| fsunaval | LouisF: correct. it does not resolve rule conflicts. | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | fsunaval: raofei I will work with you on this missing piece | 17:14 |
| raofei | as fsunaval mentioned, they will consider resolve it. | 17:15 |
| fsunaval | cathy_: yes, I can initiate a conversation with them about this... It looks like they are aware of the shortcomings. | 17:15 |
| pcarver | fsunaval: I think they are aware. It's a fairly complex problem. | 17:16 |
| raofei | this patch scope doesn't contain this problem. | 17:16 |
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| LouisF | there are two issues: 1. detect rule conflicts, 2. resolve rule conflicts | 17:16 |
| LouisF | raofei: the is correct | 17:17 |
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| cathy_ | If different features need different rules, then the OVS table needs to support that and one way is to have different tables for different features for that conflict part of rules | 17:17 |
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| pcarver | We need a general prioritization mechanism | 17:18 |
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| raofei | yes, I think so | 17:18 |
| pcarver | The API (and GUI/CLI/Heat) need to support a mechanism for assigning priorities across different flow manipulating projects | 17:18 |
| fsunaval | pcarver: +1 | 17:18 |
| LouisF | cathy_: yes, different tables can help but T0 needs priorities | 17:19 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: OK | 17:19 |
| LouisF | or rather the rules in T0 need priority | 17:19 |
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| * ihrachys is late | 17:19 | |
| raofei | it is service injection. | 17:19 |
| pcarver | There needs to be a user visible mechanism to describe, for example, whether they want a tap/mirror (TaaS project) to take effect before or after traffic is directed by an SFC rule | 17:19 |
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| ihrachys | but generally, yes. it's not covered yet, we are aware of shortcomings, and I am glad to see someone driving that in Newton. | 17:20 |
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| pcarver | Or an OvS based security group rule as another example | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | If the traffic for different features can be distinguished, then even they desire conflicting rules, OVS can still support both with different forwarding tables | 17:20 |
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| cathy_ | ihrachys: we will help drive that since SFC needs to use it | 17:21 |
| LouisF | need analysis of how different features use the ovs tables/rules | 17:22 |
| vikram_ | LouisF: +1 | 17:22 |
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| cathy_ | ihrachys: Is there already a bug for this? If not, we can submit a bug for this enhancement and then work on this, sounds good with you? | 17:22 |
| ihrachys | cathy_: RFE, yes, please report | 17:22 |
| ihrachys | cathy_: as long as someone will drive the feature apart from me, I am open to support it with reviews and suggestions | 17:23 |
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| LouisF | this is really more than a bug - itg affects all features the install ovs rules | 17:23 |
| vikram_ | iharchys: ;) | 17:23 |
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| cathy_ | LouisF: yes:-) It is not a small change | 17:23 |
| ihrachys | it's too much for me to take on my own, and honestly I am not directly interested in it to invest too much time | 17:23 |
| vikram_ | ihrachys: I was thinking what if networking-sfc doesn't uses L2 extension | 17:24 |
| vikram_ | any issues? | 17:24 |
| ihrachys | vikram_: ovs agent does not provide you any guarantees of API | 17:25 |
| vikram_ | I don't know what is the priority of the current project | 17:25 |
| ihrachys | vikram_: also ovs agent is free to reset your flows | 17:25 |
| LouisF | vikram_: can you elaborate on 'does not use l2 extension'? | 17:25 |
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| ihrachys | if you are ok with both of that, well... not that I think it's sane assumption, but if it works for you now... | 17:25 |
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| vikram_ | LouisF: I mean, if networking-sfc doesn't fallback to the new L2 extension support | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: I think what vikram means is that if we keep our existing mechanism and does not use the new L2 extension API | 17:26 |
| LouisF | vikram_: got it thanks | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | ihrachys: If we keep our existing mechanism and do not use the new L2 extension API, it should be fine, right? | 17:27 |
| vikram_ | My concern is if the effort is huge then if the team is okay to take this up and it is inline with our next project plan? | 17:27 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: good point | 17:27 |
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| ihrachys | cathy_: whatever works for you. just don't expect ovs agent will not break you any time. | 17:28 |
| cathy_ | ihrachys: OK, thanks. | 17:29 |
| fsunaval | vikram_: it should be fine. we will not pass the cookie information and simply call the ovs-ofctl directly. In that case, the cookie inside the flow will be the UUID timestamp. | 17:29 |
| vikram_ | ihrachys: agreed | 17:29 |
| ihrachys | if you are still in PoC stage, it may be premature for you to spend time on it | 17:29 |
| vikram_ | fsunaval: ok | 17:29 |
| ihrachys | fsunaval: since the cookie is not coordinated with ovs agent, ovs agent restart will reset your flows | 17:29 |
| vikram_ | fsunaval: sorry, i haven't seen the spec yet | 17:29 |
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| LouisF | fsunaval: we referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-sfc/+bug/1538332 right? | 17:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1538332 in networking-sfc "Port Pair Create fails for Provider Network" [Undecided,New] | 17:30 |
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| LouisF | sorry ignore | 17:31 |
| LouisF | i meant https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/ | 17:31 |
| fsunaval | ihrachys: we do coordinate the cookie with the OVS agent right now. my point was we should be fine if we do not call the L2 extension agent. | 17:32 |
| raofei | once again, even if the SDN controller instead of L2 agent, servic injection mechanism is useful too. Neutron need to provide a north APIs to define sevice priority for injection. | 17:32 |
| ihrachys | fsunaval: I suspect not in Mitaka anymore | 17:33 |
| fsunaval | ihrachys: I see, ok. I will need to look into that. | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | ihrachys: what do you mean not in Mitaka any more. Even we coordinate cookie with OVS agent, it will not work? | 17:34 |
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| cathy_ | ihrachys: could you clarify? | 17:35 |
| LouisF | ihrachys: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/ is merged | 17:35 |
| ihrachys | cathy_: I think we made some changes with the patch for l2 agent extensions that could break you. you need to check | 17:35 |
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| ihrachys | depending on how you sync with ovs agent right now | 17:36 |
| cathy_ | ihrachys: OK, I see, | 17:36 |
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| cathy_ | raofei: since you have worked on the OVS agent part of code, would you like to take an action item and check this? | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | fsunaval: would you lie to help check this too? | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | I mean "like", my bad:-) | 17:37 |
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| fsunaval | cathy_: yes, I can look into it. If needed, I can ask Raofei | 17:38 |
| raofei | OK, I'd like to do it | 17:38 |
| cathy_ | fsunaval: raofei cool, Thanks! | 17:38 |
| cathy_ | Now next topic | 17:39 |
| LouisF | pcarver: are you aware of any work going on the resolve ovs rule conflicts? | 17:39 |
| pcarver | LouisF: No. The general need was discussed briefly at the summit but I think it's a fairly big task that hasn't really been tackled. | 17:39 |
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| cathy_ | #action raofei fsunaval check whether existing SFC L2 agent code still work with the new L2 agent extension being added. | 17:40 |
| LouisF | definitely bug task - maybe topic for neutron desiggn session? | 17:40 |
| LouisF | big | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: good suggestion | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | #topic service insertion | 17:41 |
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| cathy_ | raofei: would you like to describe the service insertion you have in mind? | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | you just mentioned that before | 17:41 |
| raofei | we can do more extension for L2 agent extension | 17:42 |
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| mohankumar | raofei: could you explain bit more :) | 17:43 |
| cathy_ | you mentioned API, do you mean API extension at networking-sfc API layer or extension at L2 agent layer? | 17:43 |
| raofei | we can define new API which provide the sevice process order | 17:44 |
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| cathy_ | at SFC API layer, the API already provides mechanism for service function order | 17:45 |
| raofei | and manage all the network resource, such as flow table | 17:45 |
| LouisF | cathy_: +1 | 17:45 |
| vikram_ | I think we are make use of port pair group? | 17:45 |
| LouisF | its implicit in the order of the PPGs in the PC | 17:45 |
| cathy_ | raofei: it will be helpful if you can first clarify which API layer are you talking about? | 17:45 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: yes, the order of port pair group as Louis said | 17:46 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: ok | 17:46 |
| raofei | it's different from sevice chain. | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | raofei: OK, are you talking about adding an extension at the Neutron API layer? | 17:47 |
| LouisF | raofei: can you explain? | 17:48 |
| cathy_ | or the backend L2 agent layer? | 17:48 |
| raofei | both. I will share a link to you | 17:49 |
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| LouisF | raofei: thanks | 17:49 |
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| cathy_ | raofei: great. | 17:49 |
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| cathy_ | raofei: are you going to send us the link after the meeting? | 17:51 |
| raofei | please go on, I have to search. | 17:51 |
| raofei | yes | 17:52 |
| s3wong | raofei: can you share the link in this meeting (so it is on record)? | 17:52 |
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| cathy_ | raofei Ok, if you can get it, post it, otherwise you can send it to us via email | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | let's take a look at the link and then discuss in next meeting | 17:52 |
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| raofei | ok, will do | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | #action raofei will send out a link on service insertion | 17:53 |
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| cathy_ | #topic SFC features for next phase | 17:54 |
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| cathy_ | we discussed a lot of features desired for next phase. | 17:54 |
| cathy_ | You can refer to last meeting log for the new features. | 17:54 |
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| mohankumar | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-02-25-17.00.log.html | 17:56 |
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| LouisF | cathy_: can we poll for the level of interest/priority of these items? | 17:56 |
| cathy_ | Next step is that the feature design tasks need to be assigned. | 17:56 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: good suggestion. | 17:56 |
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| raofei | yes, I want to know the plan | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | SO I would suggest that each of us think about the list and volunteer to take the design work and start working on the design spec. | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | raofei: great! Thanks! | 17:58 |
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| cathy_ | time is up. BTW, I will be on business trip and can not host next two meetings. Louis, can you host them for me? | 18:00 |
| LouisF | cathy_: yes i will | 18:01 |
| cathy_ | Ok, Thanks. bye everyone. I will talk with you in two weeks | 18:01 |
| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 18:01:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-03-03-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| s3wong | bye | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-03-03-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
| mohankumar | bye | 18:01 |
| raofei | bye | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2016/service_chaining.2016-03-03-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
| csun | bye | 18:01 |
| vikram_ | bye | 18:02 |
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