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| acabot | #startmeeting watcher | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 10 14:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:00 |
| acabot | hi | 14:00 |
| tpeoples | o/ | 14:00 |
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| jed56 | \o | 14:00 |
| acabot | our agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#02.2F10.2F2016 | 14:00 |
| dtardivel | hi | 14:00 |
| vincentfrancoise | o/ | 14:00 |
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| acabot | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:01 | |
| sballe | o/ | 14:01 |
| acabot | #info Watcher mid-cycle meetup took place last week in Austin | 14:02 |
| acabot | dedicated etherpad is #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-watcher-midcycle | 14:02 |
| sballe | great meeting BTW. Thanks to everybody who attended. we made great progress on all fronts | 14:03 |
| acabot | sballe +1 | 14:03 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:03 |
| acabot | #info edleafe submitted a Nova BP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276840/ | 14:04 |
| tkaczynski | hi guys | 14:04 |
| sballe | hi edleafe It was great having you at the meetup | 14:04 |
| sballe | hi tkaczynski | 14:04 |
| acabot | hi tkacynski & edleafe | 14:04 |
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| dtardivel | I submitted this morning 2 patchsets in order to check automatically requirements on watcher and python-watcherclient: 1 patchset on the openstack/requirements project, and another one on the openstack-infra/project-config project, according to #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/requirements/#enforcement-in-projects | 14:04 |
| edleafe | sballe: it was great seeing you all. I enjoyed the progress we made | 14:05 |
| tkaczynski | yes, it was a great meeting, very useful | 14:05 |
| tpeoples | thanks dtardivel, was going to do that today :) | 14:05 |
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| acabot | #topic Review Action Items | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:05 | |
| acabot | we have many specs in review | 14:06 |
| acabot | and as we have updated priorities last week for mitaka some of them need a drafted spec | 14:06 |
| alexchadin | o/ | 14:07 |
| tpeoples | +1 acabot, playing catch up on other things from last week, but will get a spec drafted for my bp | 14:07 |
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| tkaczynski | same from me: I had to catch up with my project, moving now to work on the bp (setting up environment, reviewing code etc.) | 14:08 |
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| acabot | sballe : could you please confirm that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276586 is the targeted strategy for the hands on lab ? | 14:08 |
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| acabot | it is related to the BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/workload-balance-migration-strategy | 14:09 |
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| sballe | yes it is ... junjie should be starting work as soon as he is back from Chinese christmas | 14:09 |
| acabot | because we talk about workload balance in the BP and then airflow balance in the spec... | 14:10 |
| sballe | it is the same. I'll ask him to use the same terminology in both bp and spec | 14:10 |
| acabot | ok | 14:10 |
| acabot | #action sballe jwcroppe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276586/1 | 14:10 |
| acabot | #action seanmurphy add a PS to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271028/ | 14:11 |
| acabot | tkaczynski : I need a drafted spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/scoring-module | 14:12 |
| acabot | tkaczynski do you need help to submit it ? | 14:12 |
| acabot | there is a quick doc https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher/Contributing if you need it | 14:13 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: my idea was to get everything up and running first and good understanding of what I'm going to do. once I do that I can work out some details of the spec. I believe I should have that in the next few days | 14:14 |
| acabot | #action tkaczynski add a drafted spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/scoring-module | 14:14 |
| acabot | ok | 14:14 |
| jed56 | tkaczynski : +1 | 14:14 |
| acabot | #action tkaczynski jed56 update description of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/scoring-module | 14:14 |
| tkaczynski | acabot: ok | 14:15 |
| acabot | #action tpeoples add a drafted spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/cluster-model-objects-wrapper | 14:15 |
| tpeoples | roger that | 14:15 |
| acabot | jed56 we need a spec https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/select-destinations-filter | 14:15 |
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| acabot | #action jed56 add a drafted spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/select-destinations-filter | 14:16 |
| jed56 | yes of course i will do as soon as possible | 14:16 |
| acabot | alexchadin what about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-overload-underload ? | 14:16 |
| alexchadin | I'm woking on it. I suggest there will be first version on the next week | 14:17 |
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| alexchadin | Hello everyone! | 14:17 |
| acabot | ok | 14:17 |
| jed56 | hi alexchadin | 14:17 |
| acabot | #action alexchadin add a drafted spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-overload-underload | 14:17 |
| acabot | lets move to Watcher code | 14:17 |
| alexchadin | i'm writing this as strategy | 14:17 |
| jed56 | alexchadin: cool | 14:18 |
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| acabot | alexchadin great, please try to use terms from our glossary http://factory.b-com.com/www/watcher/doc/watcher/glossary.html | 14:18 |
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| acabot | alexchadin in your spec | 14:19 |
| dtardivel | #link http://factory.b-com.com/www/watcher/doc/watcher/glossary.html | 14:19 |
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| acabot | we need reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274165/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275106/ | 14:19 |
| alexchadin | ok, i'll rewrite it soon | 14:19 |
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| acabot | alexchadin and push it asap and set the workflow to -1 to set it as a work in progress | 14:20 |
| acabot | alexchadin thx | 14:20 |
| alexchadin | ok | 14:20 |
| acabot | tpeoples added documentation for devstack set-up and needs review https://bugs.launchpad.net/watcher/+bug/1538291 | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1538291 in watcher "Improve DevStack documentation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Taylor Peoples (tpeoples) | 14:21 |
| acabot | sorry the link is https://review.openstack.org/278244 | 14:22 |
| tpeoples | tkaczynski: would be great to have you review ^ since you're going through that right now | 14:22 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: I will review it too | 14:23 |
| tpeoples | thanks | 14:23 |
| tkaczynski | tpeoples: sure, I'll have a look | 14:23 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/278244 | 14:24 |
| acabot | #action tkaczynski review https://review.openstack.org/278244 | 14:24 |
| acabot | #info we have our new watcher-dashboard repo https://github.com/openstack/watcher-dashboard | 14:25 |
| tkaczynski | btw: is there a way to see all the action items after the meeting? | 14:25 |
| acabot | tkaczynski yes there is a log | 14:25 |
| tpeoples | tkaczynski: #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/ | 14:25 |
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| acabot | vincentfrancoise updated our internal code to fit horizon plugin requirements | 14:25 |
| tkaczynski | tpeoples acabot thanks! | 14:26 |
| acabot | the initial commit is open for reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277342/ | 14:26 |
| acabot | with a pretty large code base ;-) | 14:26 |
| tpeoples | acabot: i am going to review the UI code, but will probably take some time since it's a huge patchset | 14:26 |
| vincentfrancoise | It's a bit difficult to review 7k LOCs | 14:27 |
| acabot | thx tpeoples, anyone wants to review it ? | 14:27 |
| acabot | #action tpeoples review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277342/ | 14:27 |
| vincentfrancoise | but if you can go through the README.txt + try to set it up that would be good enough | 14:28 |
| dtardivel | acabot: I will review only readme part | 14:28 |
| vincentfrancoise | at least for now | 14:28 |
| edleafe | vincentfrancoise: good point. We should all strive to break patches up into digestible chunks | 14:28 |
| tpeoples | yes, i plan to do a quick glance over it, but it will be good to get the repo seeded with the code. once more people are using it we can incrementally add improvements instead of having it 100% perfect before merging IMO. i don't want the review to sit there for weeks/months just cause it's so big | 14:28 |
| acabot | #action dtardivel acabot review README.txt in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277342/ | 14:29 |
| vincentfrancoise | FYI, I used trove-dashboard and sahara-dashboard as a reference | 14:29 |
| tpeoples | +1 edleafe, but may be hard to do it at this point since they have had it done for some time | 14:29 |
| edleafe | tpeoples: understood - just a suggestion to keep in mind for the future | 14:29 |
| tpeoples | definitely | 14:30 |
| vincentfrancoise | tpeoples: +1 | 14:30 |
| acabot | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:30 |
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| tkaczynski | edleafe +1 | 14:30 |
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| acabot | sballe : tmetsch planned to submit a BP during the mid-cycle, how do you want to deal with it ? | 14:31 |
| acabot | sballe : BP regarding the ability to merge multiple action plans into a single one | 14:31 |
| sballe | he is waiting for another bp | 14:31 |
| sballe | I'll ping him and have him do it | 14:32 |
| acabot | ok | 14:32 |
| sballe | he told me there is a dependency on another bp to be submitted first | 14:32 |
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| acabot | sballe: the graph model is related to a BP tpeoples is working on | 14:33 |
| sballe | ok | 14:33 |
| acabot | sballe: but maybe it is the same one | 14:33 |
| acabot | I have 2 TODOs on the mid-cycle etherpad :-) | 14:34 |
| tpeoples | i'm not sure that was related to the merging of action plans though? | 14:34 |
| sballe | I'll check at the todos from the meetup and sync-up with tmetsch | 14:34 |
| acabot | ok thx | 14:34 |
| jed56 | IMHO, graph model is one use case of the BP of tpeoples | 14:34 |
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| sballe | I agree so maybe thta was the bp we were talking about. I'll get himto submit the other bp asap | 14:34 |
| acabot | jed56 I think we need to clarify this point in specs | 14:34 |
| tpeoples | right, but for the cluster model. not sure how that is tied to the action plans directly | 14:34 |
| jed56 | acabot : +1 | 14:35 |
| jed56 | tpeoples : what do you mean ? | 14:35 |
| sballe | acabot: +1 | 14:35 |
| tpeoples | graph model was to represent the environment (cluster if you will). merging of action plans seems only tangentially related? | 14:36 |
| jed56 | no :) | 14:36 |
| sballe | I'll make sure tmetch joins the IRC moving forward | 14:37 |
| acabot | sballe +1 ;-) I think we will need him | 14:37 |
| sballe | I agree | 14:37 |
| jed56 | the merging of action plan can be done later. | 14:37 |
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| jed56 | IMHO, we need before to have good strategies and after think about how can we merge different action plan comming from different strategy | 14:38 |
| sballe | jed56: acabot he will join in 2 mins | 14:38 |
| acabot | edleafe thx for submitting the BP for newton to the Nova team, what about the select_destinations() API ;-) ? | 14:38 |
| sballe | tmesch | 14:39 |
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| * edleafe is on a call right now | 14:40 | |
| acabot | #info mitaka-3 status https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/mitaka-3 | 14:41 |
| acabot | with updated priorities | 14:41 |
| edleafe | acabot: I discussed that with some people, and there seems to be almost zero chance of that ever making it into Nova | 14:41 |
| sballe | acabot: metsch is now befreax | 14:41 |
| sballe | and is in the RC | 14:41 |
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| acabot | edleafe : ok thank you for asking :-D | 14:42 |
| jed56 | edleafe: thanks for trying : ) | 14:42 |
| sballe | edleafe: +1 | 14:42 |
| tpeoples | edleafe: over IRC? just curious if there's logs for the record | 14:42 |
| edleafe | it was a longshot :) | 14:42 |
| acabot | as discussed last week, we will implement our own method for now | 14:42 |
| edleafe | tpeoples: no, I PM'd a few people | 14:42 |
| tpeoples | OK | 14:43 |
| acabot | all our BPs are assigned, do not forget to update the delivery status | 14:44 |
| sballe | acabot: +1 | 14:44 |
| acabot | #topic Open Discussion | 14:44 |
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| acabot | we received requests yesterday on IRC to support SSL in Watcher | 14:45 |
| acabot | I have no idea about the priority of this feature | 14:46 |
| sballe | that makes sense to me but I am not sure where that fits in our priorities | 14:46 |
| dtardivel | yes we add 2 guys running Watcher on their platform, and they had some issues related to SSL Certificates | 14:46 |
| cdupont | Hi acabot, regarding our BPs it's paused for the moment due to resource issues as announced before | 14:46 |
| sballe | dtardivel: can they do the work? | 14:46 |
| tpeoples | dtardivel: what are the issues? | 14:47 |
| cdupont | were're working on that issue, we'll let you know... | 14:47 |
| acabot | cdupont : ok as I did not received any update for 1 month, it was unprioritized for mitaka | 14:47 |
| dtardivel | SSL certicate error on novaclient | 14:47 |
| cdupont | acabot: Ok no pb | 14:48 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: I'm building devstack with USE_SSL=TRUE | 14:48 |
| tpeoples | hmm, not configurable with the watcher_clients_auth section? | 14:48 |
| dtardivel | to try to reproduce the issue | 14:48 |
| tpeoples | ok | 14:49 |
| acabot | sballe : dtardivel asked them to register a bug but they didn't...not sure they want to fix it ;-) | 14:49 |
| edleafe | dtardivel: what is the error? No SSL, or can't verify the cert? | 14:49 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: I will try to figure out if it is only a documentation issue (configuration part) or not ... | 14:50 |
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| dtardivel | I don't reminber. It was not clear.... | 14:51 |
| tpeoples | ok dtardivel, let's try and get more details from them if you can't reproduce their issue | 14:51 |
| acabot | I forgot to mention that our talks are now open to votes | 14:52 |
| dtardivel | tpeoples: +1 | 14:52 |
| acabot | #info vote for https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/7108 | 14:52 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:52 |
| acabot | #info vote for | 14:52 |
| sballe | acabot: we have two | 14:52 |
| acabot | #info vote for https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/Presentation/7113 | 14:52 |
| tkaczynski | do I need a new account in order to vote? | 14:52 |
| acabot | you need to have signed the openstack agreement | 14:53 |
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| acabot | tkaczyncki : https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute#Contributor_License_Agreement | 14:54 |
| acabot | sballe : any update regarding next mid-cycle and congress meeting ? | 14:55 |
| acabot | sballe : there is no rush on that ;-) | 14:55 |
| sballe | I just sent email out about the mid-cycle and haven't done any about congress yet | 14:56 |
| acabot | sballe : thx | 14:56 |
| sballe | I did attend the cross-project meeting yesterday | 14:56 |
| sballe | mostly discussions about quotas | 14:56 |
| acabot | #info sballe attends cross-project meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2016/crossproject.2016-02-09-21.01.html | 14:57 |
| tkaczynski | sballe do we have CCLA for Intel? | 14:57 |
| sballe | I am assuming we do | 14:57 |
| tpeoples | acabot: are we going to send out a midcycle summary (or did i miss it)? | 14:57 |
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| acabot | #action acabot send a midcycle summary on the ML | 14:58 |
| tkaczynski | sballe the page is saying that there is a list of contributors from the company | 14:58 |
| acabot | tpeoples: yes, I planned to do it by EOW | 14:58 |
| tpeoples | awesome | 14:58 |
| tkaczynski | I wonder how I can get to this list (if there is one) | 14:58 |
| sballe | tkaczynski: ok not sure. Let's take this off-line | 14:58 |
| acabot | time to end the meeting, thank you guys | 14:59 |
| sballe | already? | 14:59 |
| tkaczynski | thank you | 14:59 |
| jed56 | bye | 14:59 |
| sballe | bye | 14:59 |
| acabot | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| vincentfrancoise | bye | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 10 14:59:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| dtardivel | bye | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-02-10-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-02-10-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2016/watcher.2016-02-10-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| jasondotstar | #startmeeting vahana | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 10 15:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jasondotstar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vahana' | 15:00 |
| jasondotstar | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
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| jasondotstar | o/ | 15:00 |
| Ng | .o/ | 15:00 |
| jasondotstar | howdy | 15:00 |
| jasondotstar | this will probably be a short one today | 15:01 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Introduction | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduction (Meeting topic: vahana)" | 15:01 | |
| jasondotstar | This meeting is for the OpenStack Vahana project | 15:01 |
| jasondotstar | We're building an iOS-based client for OpenStack, in the form of one or more frameworks for interacting with the OS API, and *possibly* front end app | 15:01 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-mobile-ios-brainstorm | 15:01 |
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| jasondotstar | Interested parties are encouraged to join the #openstack-vahana IRC channel | 15:01 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Action Items from Last Meeting | 15:02 |
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| jasondotstar | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2016/vahana.2016-02-03-15.00.log.html | 15:02 |
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| jasondotstar | jasondotstar to publish local dev environment documentation for reviewing | 15:02 |
| jasondotstar | I've got some sphinx stuff to work out | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | been busy with other stuff so I haven't revisited this :-( | 15:03 |
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| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to close out on the local dev documentation | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | next one: | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | find a few more interviewees to participate in the mobile app use case interviews | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | we did have a chance to interview one yesterday | 15:03 |
| jasondotstar | and I think that we've got a couple more lined up | 15:04 |
| Ng | cool :) | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | piet: thx for lining up the one's we've had so far | 15:04 |
| Ng | anything interesting come out of the one yesterday? | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | yes | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | couple things | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-mitaka-mobile-interviews | 15:04 |
| jasondotstar | first, this was our first Apple iOS user | 15:05 |
| jasondotstar | \o/ | 15:05 |
| Ng | :) | 15:05 |
| piet | Yep..I think there are some opportunities based on the feedback. | 15:05 |
| jasondotstar | we heard this: | 15:05 |
| jasondotstar | COULD BE HELPFUL to have a mobile-friendly dashboard that specifically tracks an area of concern | 15:05 |
| jasondotstar | COULD BE HELPFUL to have the ability to narrow down dashboard views and push those views to your mobile device | 15:06 |
| piet | I would be careful about developing for iOS, though. | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | NOT AS HELPFUL to worry about mapping alerts to interested parties | 15:06 |
| jasondotstar | piet: +1 right now the majority of the interviewees have been android users | 15:07 |
| piet | There is also a conversation around whether a mobile app would be more helpful for end users than operators. This is also based on a set of interviews that we've done with end users. | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | i think we've seen a pattern | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | piet: +1 | 15:07 |
| jasondotstar | the pattern is that operators have legacy monitoring systems that they have become accustom to | 15:08 |
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| jasondotstar | so dealing with notifications from their current monitoring systems via email and SMS | 15:08 |
| jasondotstar | is how 'everybody is doing it' | 15:08 |
| piet | A couple of other things. I do know from other interviews that end users rarely go into Horizon after creating a VM. They definitely don't use it for monitoring. The only exception may be quotas. | 15:09 |
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| piet | BTW. quotas are a problem for operators because you can have a gazillion tenants and it becomes challenging to manage requests for more quota. | 15:10 |
| jasondotstar | to piet's point | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | it has become apparent that *maybe* this effort would be better rec'd by tenants (i.e. customers) | 15:11 |
| jasondotstar | instead of this being a companion app used by operators | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | perhaps it's better to offer this to tenants | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | piet: any thoughts you want to add on this? | 15:12 |
| Ng | I think that makes a good deal of sense | 15:12 |
| piet | Do you mind if I through a potential use case at you? | 15:12 |
| piet | "throw" | 15:12 |
| jasondotstar | go for it | 15:13 |
| jasondotstar | piet: ^ | 15:14 |
| piet | Note that I need to find an etherpad for you where we asked then to identify improvements that were need over the next year. | 15:14 |
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| piet | The end user is running a bunch of VMs in a tenant. | 15:15 |
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| piet | S/he receives an alert on their phone that says "Hey, you are about to exceed the number instances allowed in your tenant! Would you like more?" [Yes] [No] | 15:16 |
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| piet | The operators receives an alert on their phone that says "Tenant A is requesting more instances! Would you like to approve?" [Yes] [No] [Ask me later] | 15:18 |
| jasondotstar | I'm with ya | 15:18 |
| jasondotstar | I like the idea of having quick interactions between the customer | 15:18 |
| jasondotstar | and the operator | 15:18 |
| piet | Yep - and you can build on it - like adding a graph to show usage or previous requests. | 15:19 |
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| jasondotstar | very valuable and not 'too much' | 15:19 |
| jasondotstar | Ng: thoughts? | 15:19 |
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| Ng | it sounds like a useful feature. I'm not sure how it would all be wired up though | 15:20 |
| jasondotstar | ceilometer? | 15:21 |
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| jasondotstar | one other thing too (as far as wiring) | 15:21 |
| jasondotstar | most of the folks we interviewed are supportint private cloud deployments | 15:21 |
| jasondotstar | i.e behind the firewall | 15:22 |
| jasondotstar | so an app would have to have access | 15:22 |
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| jasondotstar | to the 'pipeline' that gives us the data we would parse to figure out how/when to send notifications to the tenant and/or operator | 15:22 |
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| jasondotstar | another item to think about | 15:23 |
| jasondotstar | s/supportint/supporting | 15:23 |
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| jasondotstar | #agreed it could be useful to provide a mobile application to the tenant/customer audience versus operators | 15:24 |
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| jasondotstar | #agreed another useful feature could be the combination of alerting the tenants on important 'happenings' and giving them the opportunity to communicate directly with the operators supporting their infra | 15:26 |
| jasondotstar | any other thoughts? | 15:26 |
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| jasondotstar | multi-tasking a bit sorry for the delay | 15:27 |
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| jasondotstar | ok next: | 15:27 |
| jasondotstar | jasondotstar to reach out to Ulf Baumann to get connected up with the HP Ops folks | 15:27 |
| jasondotstar | sending this out today | 15:28 |
| piet | I like the idea of facilitating communication and the quotas use case would be a good place to start. | 15:28 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:28 |
| jasondotstar | very narrow field use case | 15:28 |
| piet | Need to run - have a good day or evening!! | 15:28 |
| Ng | thanks piet :) | 15:28 |
| jasondotstar | yes, thanks | 15:29 |
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| jasondotstar | next: | 15:29 |
| jasondotstar | jasondotstar to follow up with fifield on getting some space at the ops summit | 15:29 |
| jasondotstar | ok so we followed up on this | 15:29 |
| jasondotstar | we rec'd a response | 15:29 |
| jasondotstar | but IMHO, i think his response was saying that this isn't the appropriate venue to talk about iOS libraries to operators | 15:30 |
| jasondotstar | so i sent another email saying., "well, this is more the audience of ppl that we want to interview to validate that this is something that operators find valuable' | 15:31 |
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| jasondotstar | long story short - I've got travel booked to go. | 15:31 |
| piet | Its somewhat problematic for me because Ops Summits and the larger Summit are perfect venues for user research | 15:31 |
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| jasondotstar | if we don't get the facility to run the focus group | 15:32 |
| jasondotstar | there's no need for me to go. | 15:32 |
| jasondotstar | so i hope we hear something today. | 15:32 |
| piet | A lot of education needs to happen in the community which may need to be driven by the foundation | 15:32 |
| jasondotstar | piet: +1 | 15:33 |
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| jasondotstar | mobile is inevitable. but i have to adhere to the data we're collecting from the operators we've interviewed | 15:33 |
| jasondotstar | it's not *as* important to them | 15:34 |
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| jasondotstar | so this customer/tenant/end-user angle might be better rec'd. | 15:34 |
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| Ng | I think broadly speaking tenants is the place to aim, although that slightly conflicts with the initial proof-of-concept working against the Ironic plugin | 15:35 |
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| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:36 |
| jasondotstar | i do think that putting together a POC is the way to prove to operators that there is value there, tho. | 15:37 |
| Ng | yeah that may well help, but either way, I think it's still valid as a demonstration that we can do something useful in front of a service that aggregates data from the service APIs | 15:37 |
| jasondotstar | sometimes all they need to do is see it | 15:38 |
| jasondotstar | right | 15:38 |
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| jasondotstar | we can keep pushing on that | 15:38 |
| jasondotstar | while we continue to interview ops and end-user types... | 15:38 |
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| jasondotstar | ok | 15:38 |
| Ng | I'll take an action to keep talking to beth about ideas and progress | 15:39 |
| jasondotstar | #action Ng to continue conversations with Beth regarding the Ironic plugin effort | 15:39 |
| jasondotstar | good deal | 15:39 |
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| Ng | and try to get some more info about the shape of her plan, timescales and suchlike | 15:39 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 15:39 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 15:40 |
| jasondotstar | that's all I've got at the moment | 15:40 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Open Discussion | 15:40 |
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| jasondotstar | anything else worthy to bring up at this point? | 15:40 |
| Ng | I don't think so, I feel like we're in limbo at the moment, so I haven't been doing very much R&D work, because I have no idea what will be useful | 15:41 |
| jasondotstar | yeah | 15:42 |
| jasondotstar | most of my work around this has been trying to narrow down what that 'golden nugget' is going to be | 15:43 |
| jasondotstar | still, if we make sense of this ironic plugin idea | 15:43 |
| jasondotstar | perhaps that will give us something to work on in tandem | 15:43 |
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| jasondotstar | alrighty.... | 15:44 |
| jasondotstar | thanks all - piet, Ng | 15:44 |
| jasondotstar | we'll give the chan 15mins back | 15:45 |
| Ng | thanks all :) | 15:45 |
| jasondotstar | going once, twice? | 15:45 |
| jasondotstar | thanks again. | 15:45 |
| jasondotstar | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 10 15:45:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2016/vahana.2016-02-10-15.00.html | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2016/vahana.2016-02-10-15.00.txt | 15:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vahana/2016/vahana.2016-02-10-15.00.log.html | 15:45 |
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| dougwig | #startmeeting networking_lib | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 10 17:30:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:30 |
| dougwig | o/ | 17:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_lib)" | 17:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_lib' | 17:30 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 17:30 |
| dougwig | #topic Current Work Items | 17:31 |
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| dougwig | Using the lib in neutron - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268232/ | 17:31 |
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| dougwig | this looks about to merge, then we'll need to start undoing deprecation warnings. i'll churn through it in batches in openstack/neutron, unless someone else wants to take a crack. | 17:31 |
| dougwig | Moving base db gunk - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267214/ | 17:32 |
| dougwig | that one is pretty core to the goal of separating lbaas in mitaka as a first step. any idea when it will move forward? | 17:32 |
| HenryG | I am working on adding tests, and double-checking with salv-orlando that it makes sense | 17:32 |
| HenryG | I'll post a new patch soon, which should be close to final | 17:33 |
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| dougwig | great. | 17:33 |
| HenryG | kevin should take a close look too | 17:33 |
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| dougwig | i'll be working on model abstraction and rpc next. the last big piece will be dealing with the agent goo. | 17:34 |
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| dougwig | HenryG: are you going to make it to the midcycle? | 17:34 |
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| HenryG | yes | 17:35 |
| pc_m | hi | 17:35 |
| dougwig | hiya | 17:35 |
| * pc_m sorry - late | 17:35 | |
| dougwig | no worries | 17:35 |
| dougwig | #topic Open Discussion | 17:35 |
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| dougwig | any items here, or i'll go back to doing truly unholy things to python to make henry happy. | 17:35 |
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| HenryG | :) | 17:36 |
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| pc_m | I have some BW to do more neutron-lib stuff. | 17:36 |
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| dougwig | pc_m: want to rehab the rpc move patch, or start tackling deprecation warnings, or separate unit tests, or ... ? | 17:37 |
| pc_m | dougwig: sure... just need to know what things need to be done and roughly what we're looking to do. | 17:38 |
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| pc_m | sould use a little background on what those items are. | 17:39 |
| pc_m | could | 17:39 |
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| dougwig | rpc patch is this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273909/ ... needs to address the comments that were put into the earlier patchsets of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267807/ | 17:40 |
| dougwig | addressing deprecation warnings is stadium-wide, and needed after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268232/ ... look at the unit test output in that patch to see what i mean. | 17:40 |
| dougwig | and separating unit tests means making the advanced services not 'import neutron' anywhere under tests/ | 17:41 |
| pc_m | dougwig: On that, so we inherit tests currently. Is the (short term?) goal to clone those tests? | 17:41 |
| pc_m | dougwig: seems like a nightmare to keep them in sync. | 17:42 |
| dougwig | you mean dup the test base class? yep, most likely. minus the extra bits it's not using from the original. | 17:42 |
| dougwig | well, let's back up. is that the best approach? and if so, do they need to stay in sync if they're separate units? | 17:42 |
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| pc_m | dougwig: all good questions...that I don't have an answer on. | 17:44 |
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| dougwig | want to look into the units of vpn/fw/lb this week and take a first stab at answering them? | 17:45 |
| pc_m | I know our company is going through daily breakages in tests, because of neutron changes right now. | 17:45 |
| * pc_m in a plugin | 17:45 | |
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| * pc_m not *aaS | 17:46 | |
| pc_m | dougwig: I can try to look at it. Not sure if I have any ideas though. | 17:47 |
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| dougwig | is there a way to insulate your tests, or is it actual neutron breakages? and which modules? | 17:47 |
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| pc_m | In this case, they are tests that are inheriting tests from Neutron. The neutron code for the test has changed (and works), but the vendor code is now boken. | 17:48 |
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| pc_m | Latest case is a change to L3 plugin, method made private. Vendor L3 plugin doesn't have the method (or use the same Neutron base class). | 17:49 |
| HenryG | TBH I am not sure how I feel about neutron-lib being a lib for tests | 17:49 |
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| pc_m | HenryG: Isn't dougwig talking about placing the tests in *aaS and not neutron-lib? | 17:50 |
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| HenryG | pc_m: maybe, but that would be a lot of duplicated code | 17:50 |
| dougwig | HenryG: what i discussed way back when with maru was to simply dup the neutron unit base classes into the services, and either let them diverge or sync them occasionally. but basically let the tests in a repo stand on their own. because i honestly don't expect any stable interface there from neutron. and if we do add that to neutron-lib someday, well, | 17:50 |
| dougwig | that's a different story that i'm not sure needs tackling today. | 17:50 |
| dougwig | HenryG: well, you have to pick one. in the lib or dup. | 17:51 |
| pc_m | HenryG: yeah, that is my concern | 17:51 |
| dougwig | right? | 17:51 |
| HenryG | Yep, my git feeling right now is NOT in the lib | 17:51 |
| dougwig | pun intended? | 17:51 |
| HenryG | gut even | 17:51 |
| pc_m | --rebase | 17:52 |
| pc_m | :) | 17:52 |
| dougwig | if they're truly units, i wonder if they even need all that plugin goo nonsense. units should just be testing the func/method in question, as opposed to that quasi-api mess in neutron. | 17:52 |
| dougwig | but *that* refactor is a per-repo decision, IMO. | 17:52 |
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| HenryG | dougwig: you went there | 17:52 |
| dougwig | weren't we all dancing around it? | 17:53 |
| * HenryG stears clear | 17:53 | |
| pc_m | dougwig: I suspect that is the case... that the test aren't really unit tests. | 17:53 |
| HenryG | steers even. I can't spell today | 17:53 |
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| HenryG | pc_m: that is a known fact | 17:53 |
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| dougwig | so, we have some seriously non-unit unit test goo. do we want to spend time worrying about how to derive them cleanly when they're not great in the first place, or get the dependency severed and put a pin in "yo, make better tests y'all" ? | 17:55 |
| dougwig | that's where i always end up. | 17:55 |
| pc_m | latter seems better, to me. But that's assuming someone is there to do the cleanup. | 17:56 |
| HenryG | Like I said, my current feelings lean towards not providing any tests lib yet | 17:56 |
| dougwig | HenryG: and i think i just talked myself into fully agreeing, since propagating the current base will propagate the current unit structure. | 17:57 |
| HenryG | dougwig: Right. If the repos clone the base test classes and diverge, perhaps we can learn something from the ways in which they diverge, and go from there. | 17:58 |
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| dougwig | pc_m: want to try it in vpn and let us know how it goes? | 17:58 |
| pc_m | OK. I can give it a whirl. | 17:59 |
| dougwig | or fw or lb. your choice, really. | 17:59 |
| dougwig | ok. | 17:59 |
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| HenryG | pc_m: and/or in your vendor repo | 17:59 |
| dougwig | any other items to discuss today, or shall we get 30 minutes back? we could bikeshed the stadium for awhile. | 17:59 |
| pc_m | VPN is small | 17:59 |
| pc_m | Cisco repo would be even better (my mgmt would like that). | 18:00 |
| pc_m | dougwig: A few quick things... | 18:00 |
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| pc_m | What do we plan on doing with 242219? Is the plan to get that passing tests? | 18:00 |
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| pc_m | If not, how do we use neutron-lib for things like validators. converters, callbacks...? | 18:01 |
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| dougwig | pc_m: if units and api pass, that is pretty good coverage. | 18:01 |
| dougwig | re: 242219. | 18:01 |
| pc_m | I had done those three in neutron-lib, but they need to be used in Neutron and *aaS. If the commits base off of 242219, how do we upstream (w/o tests passing)? | 18:02 |
| dougwig | i'd ignore the other fails until the patch is actually ready to merge. you're not adding much. the scenarios and dvr. | 18:02 |
| dougwig | pc_m: i've been using 242219 as a base, and then undoing it and going direct when the lib change is ready. i don't intend to ever merge 242219. | 18:03 |
| dougwig | that's what happened with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268232 | 18:03 |
| pc_m | so... base changes on 242219, then if tests look ok, reapply to master w/o 242219? | 18:04 |
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| dougwig | pc_m: aye. i'd also though about adding the tempest-neutron-from-source-neutron-lib job to the neutron experimental queue as an alternative, but that's just tempest, not the units. | 18:04 |
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| pc_m | On the callback feature I migrated. I have an idea for using OVO, and have been playing with some prototype code. | 18:05 |
| pc_m | Should I A) post that and see what people think of the concept, B) do a blueprint or RFE, or C) something else? | 18:06 |
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| pc_m | B) or devref | 18:06 |
| HenryG | I am a little wary about pulling OVO into neutron-lib since it is so new | 18:07 |
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| dougwig | a wip to share an idea never hurts, though. | 18:07 |
| pc_m | HenryG: It wouldn't be really in neutron-lib | 18:07 |
| HenryG | pc_m: OK, post a wip and I'll take a look | 18:07 |
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| pc_m | HenryG: It's just that the resources it deals with would be OVOs that Neutron is currently generating. | 18:07 |
| pc_m | HenryG: OK. | 18:08 |
| pc_m | dougwig: Lastly, and a bit off-topic... | 18:08 |
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| pc_m | Do we want to move all *aaS to using constraints jobs? | 18:08 |
| dougwig | yes, but as per the tc all regular jobs should start using constraints. so py27, not py27-constraints. | 18:09 |
| pc_m | If so, it sounds like the TC wants us to use the existing jobs and redefine them as cosntraints based, rather than create new jobs (as I did in neutorn-vpnaas, and neutron has done). | 18:09 |
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| pc_m | I can move forward again with the work I had started. Just didn't want to do that, without ensuring that was a community desire. | 18:10 |
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| dougwig | i think it's gradually going to be a cross project requirement. | 18:10 |
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| pc_m | I think Ihar was wondering about how to allow non-constraints runs as well, in case one wanted to test a new lib version or something. Useful? | 18:11 |
| pc_m | Maybe we can use some env var to somehow skip using the constraints and use requirements.txt? Not sure yet on how best to do that. | 18:12 |
| dougwig | or an env var to override where to fetch the constraints file. i recently added that to the lbaas tox_install, so i could fetch neutron from a local directory on the plane. | 18:13 |
| pc_m | that's even better. good idea! | 18:14 |
| dougwig | ok, we done for today? | 18:15 |
| pc_m | yes from me. | 18:15 |
| dougwig | away we go... | 18:15 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 18:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 10 18:15:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-02-10-17.30.html | 18:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-02-10-17.30.txt | 18:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_lib/2016/networking_lib.2016-02-10-17.30.log.html | 18:15 |
| pc_m | bye | 18:15 |
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| rockyg | hey! I'm very late... | 21:23 |
| rbradfor | rockyg, hi | 21:25 |
| rockyg | hi rbradfor ! | 21:26 |
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| rockyg | hey jokke_ ! | 21:26 |
| rockyg | I'm not convinced we need to make the meeting official, but I wanted to let you know I'm doing a session on config opts at the operators' midcycle, so put together a list: questions, wishlist, info you want me to disseminate | 21:28 |
| rbradfor | ok, hope it all goes well next week | 21:30 |
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| rockyg | It'll be fine. And fun. And extremely tiring. | 21:30 |
| rockyg | Also, something to ponder....if you had another developer to work on oslo stuff, where would you have her/him focus? | 21:34 |
| rbradfor | oslo has over 40 projects, it would depend on their interest levels | 21:35 |
| rbradfor | and comfort of either working though things on their own, or needing a good guide | 21:35 |
| rockyg | I hate to say it, but at first, interest may have little to do with it. To get my company to buy into a focused dev, they would want the dev to develop influence or enhance company reputation, or solve a company pain point. I just want to make sure I point everyone at a community valued area, too. | 21:37 |
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| rbradfor | well I choose Oslo because it's an important component across projects. it's not a mainstream (or sexy) project, but an essential one | 21:39 |
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| rbradfor | you could say it's foundational | 21:39 |
| rbradfor | now Oslo has 40+ projects | 21:40 |
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| rocky_g | exactly. Not sexy, but "strategic" in the community's definition of strategic. Plus, the best place to drive towards consistency across projects. Which is why I want my company to focus someone on Oslo. | 21:40 |
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| rbradfor | I started by looking at blueprints and docs and learning varying projects, I uncovered some bugs as I learned how these projects worked in simple terms. Some of these examples have now become documentation, that makes IMO it a lot easier to at least grasp these few projects. | 21:41 |
| rbradfor | I know that documentation was a point of mention at Tokyo. | 21:41 |
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| rbradfor | other projects will still need this. | 21:42 |
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| rbradfor | as I started in this part of understanding projects, reading every line of code, I saw a need that I assoicated with, because I've been an operator. | 21:43 |
| rbradfor | a new resource may find an affiliation with something else that's highly interesting, messaging or db abstraction etc | 21:43 |
| rocky_g | I agree on the docs. I've been pushinf for three years. So far they haven't listened to me. I think the problem is with the silos in the company. product r&d doesn't seem to talk to marketing, or tech support, or sales, or docs, or...... | 21:43 |
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| rbradfor | I also was directed to dims initially, and he pointed me to some areas that needed input. | 21:44 |
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| rocky_g | Yeah. I've been production systems architect and my largest body of work is QA and sw process. | 21:44 |
| rocky_g | that's an excellent idea. | 21:45 |
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| JRobinson__ | Good morning all, The User Guide Specialty Team meeting is set to begin in about 15 minutes | 21:47 |
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| rbradfor | rocky_g, well that's a hint to get back to other tasks. | 21:48 |
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| rocky_g | Thanks! and shoot me an email for anything you want me to flog at the midcycle. | 21:48 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docsuserguides | 22:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 10 22:10:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docsuserguides)" | 22:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docsuserguides' | 22:10 |
| JRobinson__ | Morning all o/ , or afternoon | 22:10 |
| JRobinson__ | Great that this worked. | 22:10 |
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| JRobinson__ | First agenda item | 22:10 |
| JRobinson__ | #Action JRobinson__ to update the User Guide meeting times to reserve this earlier space | 22:11 |
| gmolson | Hi Joseph! | 22:11 |
| JRobinson__ | #action JRobinson__ to update the User Guide meeting times to reserve this earlier space | 22:11 |
| JRobinson__ | There, fixed^ | 22:11 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, o/ hello! | 22:11 |
| gmolson | sweet! | 22:12 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic High priority items | 22:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High priority items (Meeting topic: docsuserguides)" | 22:13 | |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, I mentioned the high priority item was looking for places in the Cloud Admin doc for Admin User Guide content | 22:14 |
| JRobinson__ | Since the overall goal is to merge the two into one Administrator Guide | 22:14 |
| gmolson | Yes, I saw you mentioned that in your note | 22:14 |
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| gmolson | right | 22:14 |
| JRobinson__ | Okay, so I started doing that in my patches, however I don't have a file list set up | 22:15 |
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| gmolson | so, are the patches that you've done it in noted in the blueprint? | 22:15 |
| JRobinson__ | ^with the sub goal being to go through each file in the repo, and cross it off when there's a place for it in Cloud admin guide. | 22:16 |
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| JRobinson__ | gmolson, the patches done so far should be referenced on the blueprint page since it tracks patches that reference it. | 22:17 |
| JRobinson__ | I'll post the link | 22:17 |
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| gmolson | JRobinson__, ok | 22:17 |
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| JRobinson__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/user-guides-reorganised | 22:19 |
| JRobinson__ | The whiteboard heading contains all the patches done so far I beleive | 22:19 |
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| JRobinson__ | s/believe | 22:19 |
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| gmolson | JRobinson__, thanks! Ok. Good to know. | 22:20 |
| JRobinson__ | I think this is a decent example: | 22:21 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258772/ | 22:21 |
| JRobinson__ | I moved compute chapter content from the Admin guide to the Cloud admin in this one. | 22:21 |
| JRobinson__ | So an action for me this week, | 22:22 |
| gmolson | cool - thanks for the example | 22:22 |
| rocky_g | question: There is work being done to generate each project's config options int RST via oslo.sphynx Is this something that would help here? | 22:22 |
| JRobinson__ | #action add file names to the task list, and suggestions of where they can fit into the Cloud Admin. | 22:22 |
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| JRobinson__ | rocky_g, that's a good question, I'm not sure. I think that affects the config reference. The User Guides only have specific references to project command line items | 22:24 |
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| rocky_g | Yeah. I know I need to ping the config ref team. But I saw some LBAAS config references in the list of reviews in the BP you just posted. That's why I asked, but just spreading some info. | 22:25 |
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| gmolson | JRobinson__, so it looks like you are putting each dashboard task into the related service area, rather than creating a new topic under Dashboard with all of the topics, something like Managing with the Dashboard... | 22:25 |
| JRobinson__ | rocky_g, good point, thanks for checking the link. | 22:26 |
| rocky_g | I'll just lurk now :-) | 22:26 |
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| JRobinson__ | gmolson, yes I started organising it that way so far. My Information Architecture insight is not too strong here. | 22:27 |
| JRobinson__ | rocky_g, np, I'll look into though, it may be a helpful thing :) | 22:28 |
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| gmolson | Ok, yeah. I am still getting to know the guides. It might be an easy way to consolidate the Dashboard tasks... | 22:29 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, glancing at the contents page, moving the Admin Guide dashboard items to the Cloud admin dashboard chapter would save a lot of time. | 22:29 |
| gmolson | right, and a user could find all of the tasks in one spot | 22:30 |
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| JRobinson__ | ^Yes, definitely: | 22:31 |
| JRobinson__ | #info Dashboard related content in the Admin User Guide can move to the Cloud Admin Dashboard chapter to create one place for users. | 22:31 |
| gmolson | I like it | 22:32 |
| JRobinson__ | Okay, so I'll add that to the task list on the page, and start adding a list of files so we can check them off once they are moved. | 22:32 |
| gmolson | ok | 22:32 |
| gmolson | do you add / and delete the file in one commit? How does that work? | 22:33 |
| JRobinson__ | The process I followed so far is; copy the admin file contents of one specific topic/service (compute and images for example) | 22:34 |
| JRobinson__ | Then add it to the Cloud Admin document. | 22:34 |
| JRobinson__ | And leave the original in place for now. | 22:34 |
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| gmolson | ok | 22:34 |
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| JRobinson__ | An future item is to deactivate the Admin user guide once everything has a place in the Cloud admin document. | 22:35 |
| gmolson | sure | 22:35 |
| JRobinson__ | Then the Cloud admin guide has a title change. | 22:35 |
| gmolson | ok | 22:35 |
| JRobinson__ | Most likely links will need an update, which happened after the rst conversion. | 22:36 |
| JRobinson__ | I should record that procedure so others can see what the plan is | 22:36 |
| JRobinson__ | #action add procedure for combining the docs to the team page | 22:36 |
| gmolson | great - yes, that sounds helpful | 22:37 |
| JRobinson__ | Anything else for High priority items? I think that covers all the points I had. | 22:37 |
| gmolson | I don't have other high priority items... | 22:38 |
| gmolson | You'd like to get this conversion done first, and then complete the other content items that are listed in the blueprint, correct? | 22:38 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, yes that's right. | 22:39 |
| gmolson | ok | 22:39 |
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| JRobinson__ | I hope it doesn't confuse too much, but if new contributors what to make small change, then addressing the typos/passive voice/ task list items is okay as well. | 22:40 |
| gmolson | ok | 22:41 |
| JRobinson__ | ^That's just a 'what if new contributors are looking for a place to start' for instance | 22:41 |
| gmolson | sure | 22:41 |
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| JRobinson__ | Anyway, next action item was on exemplars, but I'm taking that down, and skipping directly to the collaboration point | 22:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Check in with Murano, Trove, Sahara, Magneto, and other services | 22:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Check in with Murano, Trove, Sahara, Magneto, and other services (Meeting topic: docsuserguides)" | 22:43 | |
| JRobinson__ | Late last year I contacted the docs liasons for these teams asking about new User Guide content from their services. | 22:44 |
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| JRobinson__ | I had some feedback, and I need to follow up with the liaisons. | 22:44 |
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| JRobinson__ | Sitting in on their speciality team IRC meetings might be needed. | 22:45 |
| gmolson | ok | 22:45 |
| JRobinson__ | That's all I had for that though. | 22:45 |
| gmolson | ok | 22:45 |
| JRobinson__ | #action check in with docs liaisons for other projects not currently in the User Guides | 22:45 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, that was all for this meeting. Any questions or comments ? | 22:46 |
| rocky_g | So, the config opts is an Oslo thing. Definitely check in with Oslo as they are corralling multiple projects into consistent directions/tools/libraries. Also, Nova is doing lots of cleanup work that will impact docs. | 22:46 |
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| gmolson | JRobinson__, no more questions / comments from me. Thanks for rearranging the mtg time today! | 22:48 |
| JRobinson__ | rocky_g, I think Oslo came up as a team to ask about re: checking in with docs liaisons for User Guide content. Thanks for the heads up here on the incoming changes :) | 22:48 |
| JRobinson__ | gmolson, thanks very much for joining :) No worries. | 22:48 |
| rocky_g | Yup. NP. hard to keep up on everything and actually get work done;-) Especially docs work. | 22:49 |
| gmolson | o/ | 22:49 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic open discussion | 22:49 |
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| JRobinson__ | #action contact Oslo team, contact Nova team - clean up work and consistent directions/tools/libraries | 22:49 |
| JRobinson__ | okay, I'll call it there | 22:49 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 22:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 10 22:49:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:49 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docsuserguides/2016/docsuserguides.2016-02-10-22.10.html | 22:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docsuserguides/2016/docsuserguides.2016-02-10-22.10.txt | 22:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docsuserguides/2016/docsuserguides.2016-02-10-22.10.log.html | 22:49 |
| rocky_g | thanks for putting up with me! | 22:50 |
| gmolson | JRobinson__, have a good day! | 22:50 |
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| JRobinson__ | rocky_g, not a problem at all, thanks for sharing :) | 22:50 |
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| JRobinson__ | gmolson, thank you! have a good one too | 22:50 |
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| JRobinson__ | Morning again all. We'll start the APAC User Guide team meeting very soon. | 23:27 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docuserguides | 23:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 10 23:33:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docuserguides)" | 23:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docuserguides' | 23:33 |
| JRobinson__ | Hi All, so we had a trial run of the US/EU meeting, and now the APAC meeting an hour later. | 23:34 |
| JRobinson__ | However if there's no other attendees, I'll call off the APAC meeting for this week. | 23:35 |
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| JRobinson__ | Okay, I'm going to call it. | 23:41 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 23:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 10 23:41:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-02-10-23.33.html | 23:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-02-10-23.33.txt | 23:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docuserguides/2016/docuserguides.2016-02-10-23.33.log.html | 23:41 |
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