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| piet | #startmeeting openstack_ux | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Dec 4 15:01:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is piet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ux' | 15:01 |
| piet | Morning | 15:01 |
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| piet | Let's wait five minutes for people to wander into the channel | 15:02 |
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| piet | Can I see a show of hands from who is attending the UX meeting? | 15:04 |
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| piet | I see Jeff | 15:04 |
| jacalcat | Hi | 15:04 |
| piet | Que pasa | 15:04 |
| piet | It might be a bit of boring meeting | 15:04 |
| piet | We'll see | 15:05 |
| piet | #topic personas | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "personas (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:05 | |
| piet | Still there? | 15:06 |
| piet | So, we've received a ton of feedback on the persona screener | 15:06 |
| jacalcat | Cool | 15:07 |
| piet | The foundation has agreed to provide a surveymonkey account to the OpenStack UX team | 15:07 |
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| piet | The intent is to give them accounts, so they have access to the data | 15:08 |
| piet | The is our current blocker to distributing the survey | 15:08 |
| piet | "that" | 15:08 |
| piet | Also, the foundation will be responsible for distributing the survey link | 15:09 |
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| piet | At some point, we will distribute a "screener" survey to the community to build-up a db of willing participants | 15:10 |
| piet | That will allow them to create email lists based on the participants specific interests | 15:10 |
| piet | So, we should probably start working on a screener | 15:11 |
| piet | Any questions? | 15:11 |
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| piet | #topic Unified CLI study | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Unified CLI study (Meeting topic: openstack_ux)" | 15:12 | |
| piet | STan and I are working on a unified CLI study | 15:13 |
| julim | any details on it? | 15:13 |
| piet | This will be a usability study with about eight participants | 15:13 |
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| julim | what are we testing? | 15:13 |
| julim | test goal? | 15:13 |
| piet | one second and I will send a link to the tasks | 15:14 |
| piet | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-cli-research | 15:14 |
| piet | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xqCO6Q0EZBpZmGR1AR_8D48EjV0SfF6EVZBwLtQoRBM/edit | 15:15 |
| piet | The first go around will be end users rolling-up a VM | 15:15 |
| julim | so target users are end-users | 15:15 |
| piet | Similar to the tasks we did for the Luanch Instance usability in Horizon | 15:15 |
| piet | Yep | 15:16 |
| julim | we use it a fair bit for deployment | 15:16 |
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| piet | Unified CLI? | 15:16 |
| julim | deployer users might be a consideration | 15:16 |
| julim | yes | 15:16 |
| piet | Cool - can you recruit a few people? | 15:16 |
| julim | I might | 15:16 |
| julim | but it depends on the goal of the study | 15:16 |
| julim | and what we're testing | 15:17 |
| julim | if you're limited to end-user, are you sure they don't tend to be offerred the ui vs. cli | 15:18 |
| julim | who's the real target user? | 15:18 |
| julim | operator, administrator, etc.? | 15:18 |
| julim | seems a bit fuzzy... | 15:18 |
| piet | I can work on writing the goals, but they are really interesting in validating that the CLI is usable with both current OpenStack users and new users | 15:18 |
| julim | yes, but which users? | 15:18 |
| piet | They have a CLI that has never been tested | 15:18 |
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| piet | The task was specified by the folks working on the CLI. Did you want to proposed different tasks? | 15:19 |
| julim | I would argue that the cli is more for operator/admins | 15:19 |
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| julim | and that end-users tend to use ui | 15:19 |
| piet | I would tend to questio that assumption, but we could ping the operators channel and see what they say. | 15:20 |
| julim | I almost want to find out who is using it and what their top use cases are | 15:20 |
| julim | I know what the deployers use cases are | 15:20 |
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| piet | Can you add them to the wiki? | 15:20 |
| julim | hat wiki | 15:21 |
| piet | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-cli-research | 15:21 |
| julim | do we know who's complaining, logging bugs, etc.? | 15:21 |
| julim | based on that we'd have a good idea who's using it | 15:21 |
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| piet | Naw, earlier than that...we don't know what we don't know, so this is more a validation of the current work to make sure that they are on the right track | 15:22 |
| julim | well current test is very end-user focused it seems | 15:23 |
| julim | but not considering other users which I raise concerns about | 15:23 |
| piet | Do you want to push back on them? We could also ask the foundation to see if there was any results from the community survey | 15:24 |
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| julim | yes please | 15:25 |
| julim | or at least try and get a little more data points as seems a bit lacking | 15:25 |
| piet | k - I'll also invite you to the meetings | 15:25 |
| piet | About the which persona to test? | 15:25 |
| piet | Any other concerns? | 15:26 |
| julim | that was it. based on persona, then we'd know tasks | 15:26 |
| piet | It's kind of interesting because we could create a set of "study tasks" as part of each persona | 15:27 |
| julim | +1 | 15:27 |
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| julim | also depends how much cycles we have for this... and what the priorities are | 15:28 |
| robcresswell | Just arrived, caught up on logs | 15:30 |
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| piet | Still there? my connection went down | 15:33 |
| piet | #topic Nova Network/Neutron migration study presentation | 15:33 |
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| piet | julim should we go through the presentation one last time and record it for the rest of the community? | 15:34 |
| julim | wasn't it recorded on tuesday? | 15:34 |
| julim | preso is posted on the wiki already | 15:35 |
| piet | No...technical difficulties with bluejeans | 15:35 |
| julim | Oh :-( | 15:35 |
| piet | I'm hoping to have a dedicated virtual room with Intel | 15:35 |
| julim | we can do it again if there's enough folks interested in attending | 15:35 |
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| piet | I would almost think we should run through it even if its just us | 15:36 |
| julim | ok. | 15:36 |
| piet | So we have something to share | 15:36 |
| piet | We did have a person that was unable to attend that wanted to attend the presentation | 15:36 |
| piet | So maybe in the afternoon for anyone in asia | 15:37 |
| julim | I'm limited by my timezone | 15:37 |
| julim | if we can find a time that works for them and me, then sure. | 15:37 |
| piet | I was thinking around 5PM your time | 15:37 |
| julim | that won't work | 15:37 |
| piet | But we can check | 15:37 |
| julim | I've family commitments > 5pm EST | 15:37 |
| piet | Let's talk to him on availability | 15:37 |
| piet | Anything else? | 15:38 |
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| piet | #topic LBaaS | 15:39 |
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| piet | I need to get review on the LBaaS edit workflows | 15:39 |
| robcresswell | Just pinged Doug cause I know he has some involvement in this | 15:40 |
| robcresswell | not sure if eric is around | 15:40 |
| piet | We've already approved the panels and the Create Load Balancer UI | 15:40 |
| piet | Just need approval on the edit | 15:40 |
| neelashah | robcresswell doug is likely not around, but I believe jpomeroy is here | 15:41 |
| jpomeroy | sup | 15:41 |
| robcresswell | Ah okay | 15:41 |
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| piet | https://invis.io/59524AX4J | 15:41 |
| robcresswell | neelashah: Thanks | 15:41 |
| piet | Need reviews on the LBaaS edit stuff. Just posted a link | 15:41 |
| piet | I know that Doug has reviewed it, but we need core approval | 15:41 |
| robcresswell | piet: Will look after this meeting | 15:42 |
| piet | jpomeroy: can you review? It may be easier for the Cores if we have someone with specific domain experience reviewing them. Feel free to leave comments on the first panel with the blue eye | 15:43 |
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| piet | david-lyle: Sup | 15:43 |
| jpomeroy | piet, i'm not sure i'm the man for that job, domain experience doesn't really apply to me. just working on implementation. | 15:43 |
| david-lyle | piet o/ | 15:43 |
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| jpomeroy | we need someone from the lbaas team for that | 15:44 |
| piet | Sure, but it would be helpful to have feedback from an implementation perspective | 15:44 |
| piet | k - i'll reach-out to Michael and German | 15:44 |
| neelashah | +1 +1 both are needed | 15:45 |
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| hinnant_ | piet, is there a reason that project doesn't show on the InVision project dashboard? | 15:45 |
| piet | hinnant_: just added the larger group - should be visible | 15:46 |
| piet | Morning, BTW | 15:46 |
| piet | Anything else? | 15:47 |
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| piet | #topic Move to a UX repository (Gerrit) | 15:47 |
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| piet | Not much to report | 15:48 |
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| piet | Things are moving along. I am now one of the admins for the launchpad account | 15:48 |
| piet | Diana has created a git repository | 15:49 |
| piet | Relevant links | 15:49 |
| piet | https://launchpad.net/~openstack-ux-drivers | 15:49 |
| piet | https://launchpad.net/openstack-ux | 15:49 |
| piet | At some point, there needs to be a discussion around the scope of the blueprints | 15:50 |
| piet | For example, is personas a blueprint? | 15:50 |
| piet | Or should the first file personas that we are currently refining a blueprint? | 15:50 |
| piet | Something to think about | 15:51 |
| piet | nine minute warning... | 15:51 |
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| piet | #topic mid-cycle | 15:52 |
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| robcresswell | London \o/ | 15:52 |
| piet | We are planning to have a joint mid-cycle w the Horizon folks since some of the cores overlap | 15:52 |
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| piet | london \o/ | 15:53 |
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| piet | Pls complete the survey to identify a location/date | 15:55 |
| piet | http://goo.gl/forms/TVtWP96KjY | 15:55 |
| hinnant_ | piet have we started an agenda? | 15:55 |
| piet | In the future, we may piggyback other mid-cycles | 15:55 |
| piet | I have created a wiki, but not much in there | 15:55 |
| piet | I have a few recommendations | 15:56 |
| piet | For example, we need a review guideline (heuristic) for UX Cores reviewing mocks | 15:56 |
| piet | Would like to continue working on personas | 15:57 |
| piet | three minutes | 15:57 |
| piet | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-openstackux-mid-cycle | 15:58 |
| piet | please leave recommendations on topics | 15:58 |
| piet | Anything else? | 15:59 |
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| piet | Have a good weekend!!!! | 15:59 |
| piet | #endmeeting openstack_ux | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Dec 4 15:59:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2015/openstack_ux.2015-12-04-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2015/openstack_ux.2015-12-04-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ux/2015/openstack_ux.2015-12-04-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
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| piet | Also, feel free to reach-out to me if you have any questions around some of the agreements with the foundation around surveys | 16:00 |
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