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| acabot_ | #startmeeting watcher | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 14:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 14:01 |
| acabot_ | hi | 14:01 |
| bzhou | hi | 14:01 |
| alexstav | o/ | 14:01 |
| alexchadin | o/ | 14:01 |
| jwcroppe_ | o/ | 14:01 |
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| tpeoples | o/ | 14:01 |
| samarinvv | hi | 14:01 |
| acabot_ | our agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#11.2F18.2F2015 | 14:01 |
| sudipto | o/ | 14:01 |
| jed56 | hi | 14:02 |
| sballe | o/ | 14:02 |
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| brunograz | o/ | 14:02 |
| acabot_ | feel free to add anything you like to discuss | 14:02 |
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| acabot_ | is Nishi here ? | 14:02 |
| acabot_ | lets move on to our first topic | 14:03 |
| acabot_ | #topic annoucements | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "annoucements (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:03 | |
| acabot_ | as mentioned in the agenda, we have 2 ad hoc meetings planned regarding the POC and academic contributions | 14:04 |
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| acabot_ | any other announcement ? | 14:04 |
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| sballe | I am still working with BU in the meetup | 14:05 |
| sballe | I should know tomorrow if they can host it. | 14:05 |
| acabot_ | ok great | 14:05 |
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| jwcroppe_ | cool | 14:05 |
| sballe | They have a workshp tomorrow and that has taken all the nergy they have | 14:05 |
| acabot_ | can you remind us the dates ? | 14:05 |
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| sballe | one sec | 14:05 |
| alexchadin | Hello from Moscow, Servionica. We are working on rst-specs for overload-underload algorithms. | 14:06 |
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| sballe | 1/20-21 or 2/3-4 0r 1/26-27 | 14:07 |
| acabot_ | alexchadin : great thanks, please send a public review as soon as you can | 14:07 |
| sballe | alexchadin: +1 | 14:07 |
| alexchadin | Where should we publish it? | 14:07 |
| alexchadin | launchpad? | 14:07 |
| jwcroppe_ | review.openstack.org (watcher-specs project) and launchpad | 14:08 |
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| alexchadin | jwcroppe_: yeap, thanks! | 14:08 |
| sballe | here is an example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246363/ | 14:08 |
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| acabot_ | in /specs/mitaka/approved/watcher-overload-underload.rst | 14:09 |
| sballe | acabot_: approved? | 14:09 |
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| sballe | Does it have to be reviewed before it is approved to move in "under approve"? | 14:10 |
| jwcroppe_ | yes, approved ... it won't be in repo until it's merged | 14:10 |
| nishi | what has been approves | 14:10 |
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| acabot_ | sable : yes sorry we only have a "implemented" folder | 14:10 |
| jwcroppe_ | sballe: so it's implicitly approved if we merge it :) | 14:10 |
| sballe | nishi: our poc is approved to move n | 14:10 |
| bzhou | merged means approved:-) | 14:11 |
| nishi | ok | 14:11 |
| acabot_ | alexchadin : can we say your proposition is already "implemented" ? | 14:11 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | sorry Im late | 14:11 |
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| bzhou | welcome Kevin | 14:11 |
| tpeoples | acabot_: if it's not integrated into watcher i don't think it's implemented | 14:11 |
| acabot_ | ok so lets do it in "approved" and we will merge it in the future | 14:11 |
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| tpeoples | +1 | 14:12 |
| sballe | bzhou: I understand. I just wanted to make sure it was in line with the watcher pylosophy around being just a plug-in before it is approved. | 14:12 |
| jwcroppe_ | +1 | 14:12 |
| alexchadin | acabot_: implemented in watcher? | 14:12 |
| acabot_ | alexchadin : forgive it ;) | 14:13 |
| sballe | alexchadin: your stuff will have to be integrated inthe watcher framework. right? | 14:13 |
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| sballe | I am looking to seeing the specs that describe how everything fits within watcher | 14:13 |
| acabot_ | sballe : +1 | 14:14 |
| acabot_ | #topic review action items | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review action items (Meeting topic: watcher)" | 14:14 | |
| acabot_ | jed56 : can you give us an update regarding telemetry integration ? | 14:15 |
| alexstav | sballe: For now it works with OpenStack Nova Compute, but we are planing to integrate in with watcher. The problem is to get stats from compute-nodes, but it is another watcher-blueprint.from | 14:15 |
| bzhou | A general comment for Telemetry integration: | 14:15 |
| bzhou | The code is going to remove datasource (concept) and influxdb store and ONLY depends on ceilometer to provide meters. | 14:15 |
| jed56 | yes | 14:15 |
| jed56 | we have a first version we need to check that everying is working | 14:15 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:15 |
| jed56 | we also start cleanup a bit the code | 14:16 |
| sballe | jed56: one you have checked it let bzhou and junjie know | 14:16 |
| sballe | mann too many typos this morning. I need more coffee | 14:16 |
| jed56 | sballe: yes I hope before the end of the week | 14:16 |
| sballe | perfect | 14:16 |
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| bzhou | jed56: is there any background that we remove datasource and influxdb as store? | 14:17 |
| jed56 | bzhou : yes exaclty | 14:17 |
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| bzhou | I'm not sure if we could get every meters only from ceilometer | 14:17 |
| jed56 | yes but we can custom metrics in ceilometer | 14:17 |
| jed56 | add | 14:17 |
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| sballe | alexstav: we cannot merge your code if it doesn't fit in the wathcer framework which is why I am insisting on that point. But I am sure you understand that | 14:17 |
| acabot_ | telemetry v2 allows us to create new metrics and store them | 14:18 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:18 |
| jed56 | we don't to maintain influxdb store | 14:18 |
| jed56 | because ceilosca project and ceilometer | 14:18 |
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| bzhou | so are we also going to drop watcher-metering-drivers? | 14:19 |
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| sballe | jed56: next cycle I would like for us to add support for Monasca as the source of telemetry too | 14:19 |
| jed56 | we can still use metering driver to push metrics into ceilometer | 14:19 |
| jed56 | but we have a overlap with the project monasca | 14:19 |
| alexchadin | sballe: we are going to make patch with our spec-improvements | 14:19 |
| jed56 | an | 14:19 |
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| jed56 | I think we don't to focus our work in the monitoring | 14:20 |
| acabot_ | bzhou : this is something we will keep to inject additional metrics in telemetry but for devstack support, we need to give up our metering chain | 14:20 |
| sballe | alexchadin: will you contribute to the watcher framework too? | 14:20 |
| jed56 | want | 14:20 |
| alexchadin | sballe: yes, we will | 14:21 |
| sballe | alexchadin: great! | 14:21 |
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| jed56 | sballe : this the idea to support Monasca and Ceilometer | 14:21 |
| sballe | Monasca will eventually take over IMHO | 14:22 |
| acabot_ | a spec is available for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246363/ | 14:22 |
| sballe | But not today | 14:22 |
| alexchadin | sballe: Before we do that, we would like to make sure our specs have been approved by you:) | 14:22 |
| sballe | :) | 14:22 |
| bzhou | acabot_: why for devstack support, we need to give up our metering chain? Because watcher-metering-drivers is not managed by openstack? | 14:23 |
| sballe | bzhou: we also thought that Ceilometer was the way to go for devstack since it is an openstak project and already part od devstack | 14:23 |
| acabot_ | bzhou : because deploying Watcher today is too complex and we need to provide a quick install running on top of telemetry (available in devstack) | 14:24 |
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| jwcroppe_ | acabot_: +1 | 14:25 |
| acabot_ | bzhou : watcher-metering-drivers will never be maintained by OpenStack as Ceilometer agent exists already | 14:25 |
| sballe | I am assuming if you want you can still use the watcher-metering-drivers with devstack but on a do it yourself basis | 14:25 |
| bzhou | So the publisher is also going to be dropped, right? | 14:25 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I agree, we it will be better to focus on the main task | 14:25 |
| Kevin_Zheng | We can make use of the existing project | 14:26 |
| bzhou | just want to make sure I understand the architecture change | 14:26 |
| tpeoples | speaking of devstack, i have finally freed up from my ibm work and can start working on the devstack plugin shell script | 14:26 |
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| jed56 | bzhou : we can still use it to push it in ceilometer for specific metrics like kwapi | 14:26 |
| acabot_ | bzhou : again we won't drop it, we will simply add Telemetry integration as a default solution for collecting metrics | 14:26 |
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| acabot_ | bzhou : the idea is to have Telemetry working as a "common framework" for metrics collection | 14:27 |
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| bzhou | acbot_: got it, thanks. Will the project watcher-metering be maintained by OpenStack? | 14:28 |
| acabot_ | bzhou : watcher-metering is maintained by b-com (on our own github repo) | 14:28 |
| sballe | I am assuming that if wathcer needs it we can fold it in under watcher | 14:29 |
| sballe | acabot_: ^^^ | 14:29 |
| tpeoples | +1 | 14:29 |
| acabot_ | sable : of course | 14:29 |
| acabot_ | please review the proposed code here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246363/ | 14:30 |
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| sballe | this is the spec. | 14:30 |
| acabot_ | next topic is loading optimization strategies into watcher | 14:30 |
| bzhou | acabot_: thanks. So we may need to change the architecture doc:-) | 14:31 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:31 |
| acabot_ | sorry, here is the link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246534/ | 14:31 |
| sballe | would it make sense to start a new arch doc kind of a v2? | 14:31 |
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| acabot_ | bzhou : yes vamp is working on it | 14:31 |
| acabot_ | bzhou : vamp sorry | 14:32 |
| bzhou | great | 14:32 |
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| acabot_ | sable : a new wiki page ? | 14:32 |
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| sballe | my nick is sballe | 14:33 |
| sballe | acabot_: ^^ FYI | 14:33 |
| sballe | yes a new wiki page would work | 14:33 |
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| sballe | I like to keep the history of the architecture and how it evolves | 14:34 |
| vmahe_ | FYI vamp is vmahe :-) | 14:34 |
| sballe | :-) | 14:34 |
| bzhou | :-) | 14:34 |
| acabot_ | #action acabot_ start a new wiki page for Watcher architecture v2 | 14:34 |
| sballe | acabot_: get all our nicks wrng this morning. he needs more coffee' | 14:35 |
| jed56 | lol | 14:35 |
| jwcroppe_ | As we discussed, we want Watcher to be able to be fed custom metrics - but the reference arch should support basic telemetry/ceilometer. Agree? | 14:35 |
| acabot_ | sorry for that, my IRC client is cleaning all your nicks after sending the message... | 14:35 |
| acabot_ | jwcroppe_ : agree | 14:36 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:36 |
| Kevin_Zheng | +1 | 14:36 |
| bzhou | +1 | 14:36 |
| vmahe_ | +1 | 14:36 |
| nishi | +1 | 14:36 |
| jwcroppe_ | cool | 14:36 |
| jed56 | +2 | 14:36 |
| edleafe | +1 | 14:36 |
| bzhou | but one question: we need to define a framework | 14:36 |
| sballe | bzhou: +1 | 14:36 |
| sballe | My thoughts were taht whatever is in Ceilomter can be used. | 14:37 |
| acabot_ | bzhou : not sure to understand, what do you mean by a framework ? | 14:37 |
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| sballe | but we do need a way to bring extra telemetry in | 14:37 |
| bzhou | I mean people can use it to easily feed custom metrics | 14:38 |
| bzhou | maybe not from Telemtry | 14:38 |
| sballe | so are you saying we need to keep the wathcer metric agrent for that use case? | 14:38 |
| acabot_ | bzhou : to my understanding with Telemetry v2 API, anyone can add any custom metrics in Telemetry | 14:38 |
| jed56 | bzhou : you can use ceilometer to add custom metrics or | 14:38 |
| jed56 | monasca | 14:39 |
| acabot_ | bzhou : so except if you dont want to use Telemetry, you will never need our Watcher metering chain | 14:39 |
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| bzhou | agree | 14:40 |
| acabot_ | ok lets move on loading strategies in Watcher | 14:40 |
| jed56 | exactly | 14:40 |
| dtardivel | acabot_ +1 | 14:40 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:41 |
| acabot_ | the review is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245903/ | 14:41 |
| acabot_ | I will add it to the agenda | 14:41 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Looks cool | 14:42 |
| vmahe_ | FYI : we'll provide more details regarding the integration of Telemetry v2 in the associated spec and the impacts on the current Watcher components | 14:42 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:42 |
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| vmahe_ | See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246363 | 14:43 |
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| acabot_ | thanks vmahe_, can you jump on documentation topic ? | 14:44 |
| vmahe_ | all right | 14:44 |
| vincentfrancoise | So regarding the loading of new strategies | 14:44 |
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| vmahe_ | I'm currently writing a Glossary to make sure that every one speaks the same language | 14:45 |
| vincentfrancoise | it's still in progress | 14:45 |
| vincentfrancoise | waiting for proper testing | 14:45 |
| sballe | vincentfrancoise: I am assumign doc ill be added too | 14:45 |
| vincentfrancoise | sballe: Yes, there's a plugins.rst added in this changeset explaining how to implement a new strategy | 14:46 |
| sballe | I believe we will be testing it. taht was one of the actinos items we wee given at the poc meeting. | 14:46 |
| sballe | can you ping us when it is ready to be tested? | 14:46 |
| bzhou | sballe:+1 | 14:46 |
| vincentfrancoise | In parrallel, we are thinking about adding a gloassary to the documentation to lay down the right terminology to use throughout the code / doc | 14:47 |
| vincentfrancoise | see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246370/ | 14:47 |
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| vmahe_ | We need to mae sure everyone agrees on words such as "Action", "Meta-Action", ... | 14:48 |
| tpeoples | i will take a look at that vincentfrancoise | 14:48 |
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| vmahe_ | I'm currently reviewing it and will push a new patch set very soon | 14:48 |
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| vmahe_ | I also did some testing with the tool used by the Nova team to generate some architecture diagrams | 14:49 |
| vmahe_ | Which is named Dia | 14:49 |
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| vmahe_ | they have put in the repo a source directory for the diagrams which is used to generate some SVG or PNG images | 14:50 |
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| vmahe_ | The issue with Dia is that it is not human readable source code. | 14:50 |
| vmahe_ | I need to do some testing also with PlantUML (which is also free) | 14:51 |
| vmahe_ | and makes it possible to do any UML diagrams : class diagrams, sequence diagrams, ... | 14:51 |
| sballe | sounds interesting | 14:52 |
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| acabot_ | sballe : you plan to submit a spec for energy minimization POC ? | 14:52 |
| sballe | acabot_: yes Iwill be working with nishi, bzhou and the team on it. After yesterday's meeting we just needed to do some last minute adjustement to the poc | 14:52 |
| acabot_ | sballe : great, please fill it in approved folder for review | 14:53 |
| sballe | I'll work on it as soon as I am back from SC'15 | 14:53 |
| vmahe_ | there is an extension for Sphynx which makes it possible to include PlantUML source code directly in the RST files : https://pypi.python.org/pypi/sphinxcontrib-plantuml | 14:53 |
| acabot_ | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion | 14:54 |
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| nishi | what do we need to fill | 14:54 |
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| acabot_ | nishi : you need to feel a spec file based on templates availble on watcher-specs | 14:54 |
| acabot_ | fill not feel ;-) | 14:54 |
| nishi | ok | 14:54 |
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| acabot_ | regarding blueprints | 14:55 |
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| acabot_ | vmahe_ has submitted a new one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-add-actions-via-conf | 14:55 |
| sballe | nishi: https://github.com/openstack/watcher-specs | 14:55 |
| sballe | I'll work with you | 14:55 |
| nishi | great | 14:56 |
| vmahe_ | we need to agree on the mechanism for adding new actions to Watcher | 14:56 |
| nishi | when do you come back from SC | 14:56 |
| sballe | tomorow | 14:56 |
| nishi | ok | 14:56 |
| bzhou | nishi: I could help too if you need | 14:57 |
| nishi | ook | 14:57 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | I'm also available :) | 14:57 |
| sballe | lol | 14:57 |
| acabot_ | jwcroppe_ sballe : can you look at this BP before next meeting to fix priority ? | 14:58 |
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| acabot_ | #action jwcroppe_ sballe acabot_ set priority for BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/watcher-add-actions-via-conf | 14:58 |
| acabot_ | sorry but we wont have time for open discussions today | 14:58 |
| bzhou | acabot_: Kevin_Zheng wants to work on bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/make-watcher-use-graduated-oslo-lib | 14:58 |
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| jwcroppe_ | will do | 14:59 |
| acabot_ | bzhou : right there is review in progress on it, I will set it as started | 14:59 |
| sballe | acabot_: will do | 14:59 |
| bzhou | thanks | 14:59 |
| acabot_ | bzhou : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246153/ right ? | 15:00 |
| Kevin_Zheng | acabot: thanks | 15:00 |
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| acabot_ | thank you guys for your time | 15:00 |
| sballe | we are out of time | 15:00 |
| acabot_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| sballe | have a great day! | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 15:00:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-11-18-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-11-18-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2015/watcher.2015-11-18-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| bzhou | have a great day! | 15:01 |
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| samarinvv | Have a nice day! | 15:01 |
| jed56 | thanks you too | 15:01 |
| jwcroppe_ | ttyl | 15:02 |
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| CreaNet | hi | 16:05 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 16:30:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:30 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:30 | |
| sdake | \O/ !! | 16:30 |
| SamYaple | o/ | 16:30 |
| rhallisey | hello | 16:30 |
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| nihilifer | hi | 16:30 |
| jpeeler | hey | 16:30 |
| akwasnie | hi | 16:30 |
| stvnoyes | hi | 16:30 |
| sdake | hey stvnoyes welcome - folks stvnoyes is one o f the cats who wrote the cli along with bmace | 16:31 |
| stvnoyes | nice to be here | 16:31 |
| sdake | I'll give it a couiple mor emins | 16:31 |
| bmace | hi | 16:31 |
| SamYaple | stvnoyes: good work on the cli btw. dont know if I have told you personally | 16:31 |
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| stvnoyes | thx | 16:32 |
| pbourke | hi | 16:33 |
| sdake | #topic 1.1.0 release | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "1.1.0 release (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:33 | |
| sdake | ok folks I'd like to discuss what features we need for 1.1.0 which are not in the tracker | 16:33 |
| sdake | sec for tracker link: | 16:33 |
| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/mitaka-1 | 16:33 |
| sdake | anything marked "Essential" | 16:33 |
| sdake | please open it up | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | sdake: thats for mitaka-1 | 16:34 |
| SamYaple | the 1.1.0 is for liberty | 16:34 |
| sdake | well yes we develop in mitaka-1 firt then backport | 16:34 |
| sdake | i was thinking our essential items for mitaka 1 would make up our 1.1.0 releae | 16:35 |
| SamYaple | well things like zookeeper and drop root we arent backporting | 16:36 |
| sdake | thoswe aren't essential | 16:36 |
| sdake | those are high | 16:36 |
| SamYaple | ah i follow | 16:36 |
| SamYaple | sorry about the confusion | 16:36 |
| sdake | np | 16:36 |
| sdake | ok now that everyone understands, is there anything misssing? | 16:36 |
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| sdake | so i can gte er in the tracker now | 16:37 |
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| sdake | hey britthouser | 16:37 |
| britthouser | sorry...late | 16:38 |
| sdake | we are looking at the 1.1.0 feature list | 16:38 |
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| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/mitaka-1 (ESSENTIAL marked items) | 16:38 |
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| sdake | so I think we probably need someething around dupgrade of the openstack serices | 16:38 |
| sdake | do folks agree or disagree with that? | 16:38 |
| sdake | (not infra services, but openstack-specific services like neutron, nova, glance, etc) | 16:39 |
| SamYaple | sdake: yea but that doesnt need to land before 1.1.0 | 16:39 |
| sdake | cool well if it doesn't needt o land for 1.1.0 then i'm good with leaving it out for now | 16:39 |
| sdake | so sounds like we have th elist of essential features for mitaka-1 | 16:40 |
| britthouser | we don't need it for 1.1.0 b/c we're not changing the pinning of any services in 1.1.0? | 16:40 |
| sdake | can folks please take 1 blueprint each? | 16:40 |
| nihilifer | sdake: but you mean creating new bp(s) for the upradability of OS services or what? | 16:40 |
| sdake | nihilifer yup | 16:40 |
| SamYaple | britthouser: we are pinning the services to specific version in 1.1.0 (we arent currently doing that) | 16:40 |
| dmsimard | sdake: I'd love to see support for aodh in there | 16:40 |
| sdake | aodh is what? | 16:40 |
| dmsimard | the third component of telemetry | 16:40 |
| dmsimard | there's ceilometer (collection), gnocchi (datastore) and aodh (alarming) | 16:41 |
| sdake | i see | 16:41 |
| sdake | so our general lan is to finish th ebig tent in mitaka-2 and mitaka-3 | 16:41 |
| dmsimard | sure | 16:41 |
| sdake | and reserve mitaka-1 for big ticket items | 16:41 |
| dmsimard | works for me | 16:41 |
| sdake | stuf that could potentially take the entire cyclee | 16:41 |
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| sdake | dmsimard does gnocchi replace mongodb? | 16:42 |
| dmsimard | gnocchi interfaces mongodb | 16:42 |
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| * sdake sadfaces | 16:42 | |
| dmsimard | gnocchi is the api between ceilometer and mongodb | 16:42 |
| dmsimard | kinda | 16:42 |
| SamYaple | dmsimard: yea. the holdup for ceilometer is HA mongodb | 16:42 |
| sdake | ok well after this meeting iwill record all of the big tent services a blueprints | 16:42 |
| dmsimard | sdake: +1 | 16:43 |
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| sdake | SamYaple that isn't the ony holdup but one of them | 16:43 |
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| sdake | dmsimard the nfolks can take ownership of the big tent sesrvices as they like | 16:43 |
| sdake | ok so lets go through each of these individually | 16:44 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/pin-ceph | 16:44 |
| sdake | the job here is iterally installing a specific version of rpms | 16:44 |
| sdake | instead of yum install ceph | 16:44 |
| sdake | yum install ceph-0.84.5-0.1 | 16:44 |
| sdake | or something like that | 16:44 |
| sdake | i have checked upstream, they keep all copies and never deeleete old versions | 16:45 |
| SamYaple | for the record, this is only affects centos | 16:45 |
| sdake | so once we pin, we r egood to go | 16:45 |
| sdake | SamYaple ack | 16:45 |
| dmsimard | sdake: that might not be true for delorean repos | 16:45 |
| sdake | any takers on this super easy blueprint? | 16:45 |
| dmsimard | unless I'm mitaken | 16:45 |
| sdake | dmsimard w edodnt use delorean for ceph we use the ceph repos | 16:45 |
| dmsimard | mistaken* | 16:45 |
| dmsimard | right, we don't mirror ceph | 16:45 |
| dmsimard | my bad | 16:46 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/mariadb-lights-out | 16:46 |
| sdake | if I wan't mistaken, I think Sam Yaple fearleessly agreeed to take this super complex blueprint on | 16:46 |
| sdake | was that accurate? | 16:46 |
| sdake | SamYaple ^^ ? | 16:47 |
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| SamYaple | yea ill work on it. its just a special playbook instead of by hand stuff | 16:47 |
| SamYaple | this means that if a lights out situation occurs then the operator must do special things | 16:47 |
| sdake | cool can you assign yourself | 16:47 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/record-version | 16:48 |
| sdake | was it pbourke who was working on recording the version tag? | 16:48 |
| SamYaple | sdake: that was me | 16:49 |
| pbourke | no | 16:49 |
| inc0 | how do we do it? did you agree on any approach? | 16:49 |
| sdake | nihilifer since you are likely to be our newest core, interested in that ceph hammer pinning blueprint? :) | 16:49 |
| sdake | we have not agreed on any approach but i'm not picky | 16:49 |
| SamYaple | inc0: no we didnt there is a WIP patch for the pinning | 16:49 |
| nihilifer | yep, you can assign this one to me | 16:49 |
| sdake | nihilifer pelae asign it to yourself | 16:49 |
| sdake | if i assign it to you its not thee same a you assigning to yourself in launchpad tracker | 16:49 |
| sdake | i think you dont get credit for it in stackalytics and stuff | 16:50 |
| nihilifer | sdake: i have no rights, you probably need to add me to kolla-drivers | 16:50 |
| sdake | nih will do after meeting ok? | 16:50 |
| sdake | anyone can be in kolla-drivers | 16:50 |
| nihilifer | sure | 16:50 |
| inc0 | nihilifer, you should be able to assign yourself regardless of this | 16:50 |
| sdake | inc0 not to bllueprints i think | 16:50 |
| inc0 | launchpad is hard | 16:51 |
| sdake | so the rest of mitaka-1 looks really solid | 16:51 |
| sdake | we are making really good progressz | 16:51 |
| nihilifer | exactly, for bugs it's possible, for bps not | 16:51 |
| inc0 | if noone works on version pinning I can take on it | 16:51 |
| sdake | if I hadn't just jammed a bunch of work in at the last minute we would be on track :) | 16:51 |
| inc0 | I'm back in action now;) | 16:51 |
| sdake | inc0 you have #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/sanity-check-container | 16:51 |
| sdake | which is "Not started" | 16:52 |
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| inc0 | ah so we pinned it to mitaka-1 | 16:52 |
| inc0 | ? | 16:52 |
| inc0 | ok, I'll work on this one then | 16:52 |
| sdake | pinned what | 16:52 |
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| inc0 | bp for sanity | 16:52 |
| sdake | oh you mean assignedto mitaka-1? | 16:52 |
| inc0 | yeah | 16:52 |
| sdake | I dont know who assigned it to mitak1 | 16:52 |
| sdake | if it shoudl be in a different delivery chane it | 16:53 |
| inc0 | I'm ok with that, I'll manage | 16:53 |
| sdake | I just go off whats inthe tracker | 16:53 |
| inc0 | let's keep it m-1, I'll start it right away | 16:53 |
| sdake | cool | 16:53 |
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| sdake | #topic using an extra base image instead of virtualenv | 16:54 |
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| sdake | nihilifer this topic is for you to share your picture | 16:54 |
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| sdake | for th ezookeeper dependency | 16:54 |
| sdake | kazoo | 16:54 |
| SamYaple | sdake: nihilifer started on the virtualenv work | 16:55 |
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| SamYaple | that virtualenv stuff was a requirement from before kazoo | 16:55 |
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| sdake | nihilifer did you decide to do virtualenv instead of the second thing? | 16:55 |
| nihilifer | sdake: yeah, my first idea was https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_WVU0_0Qd1rSUF6VUk3OXFrMGc/view?usp=sharing | 16:55 |
| sdake | they are two orthogonal tasks | 16:55 |
| nihilifer | but SamYaple convinced me to venvs | 16:55 |
| sdake | got it | 16:55 |
| nihilifer | because kazoo is not the only problem | 16:55 |
| sdake | so your not doing that anymore then? | 16:56 |
| nihilifer | yep, i'll go with venvs, mostly because ceph-common also brings conflicts to python libs | 16:56 |
| inc0 | how about adding a hook for includes (here we go again..;)) | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | and well have more as we add more features | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | conflicts that is | 16:56 |
| sdake | ok, nihilifer can you please make a blueprint | 16:56 |
| sdake | and dget it put in mitaka-1 | 16:56 |
| inc0 | virtualenvs will only work for python packages | 16:56 |
| sdake | we will probably slip it o mitaka-2 | 16:56 |
| nihilifer | i created b | 16:56 |
| sdake | (medium priority pelaes) | 16:56 |
| nihilifer | bp* | 16:57 |
| nihilifer | and i can move it to milestone | 16:57 |
| sdake | good pelase do that - to d o that you need to be part of the drivers group | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | sdake: the work is already started | 16:57 |
| sdake | good | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | i imagine itll merge in less than 2 weeks | 16:57 |
| sdake | whatever works | 16:57 |
| sdake | december 4th is deadline for mitaka-1 | 16:57 |
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| sdake | since our gates are workign well now (yay) i'm going to stay pretty strict on the release dates | 16:58 |
| inc0 | damn, no more merge-fests-after-release-like-there-is-no-tomorrow | 16:58 |
| sdake | inc0 lol | 16:58 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 16:58 |
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| SamYaple | ok got two things to talk about here | 16:59 |
| inc0 | midcycle? | 16:59 |
| sdake | ok folks, any one want the foor? | 16:59 |
| sdake | sam has the floor | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | thanks, first is bugs/backports | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1517554 | 16:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1517554 in kolla liberty "test bug" [Undecided,New] | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | if youll open that youll see it has a Liberty branch as affects | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | if a bug affects both master and liberty, select the "target to series" button and add liberty | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | then when you backport the patch (or do an all new one if backport is not an option) the closes-bug tag willwork properly | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | for bugs you do _not_ need the 'backport: liberty' tag | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | that is for things that we cant track through the bug tracker | 17:01 |
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| SamYaple | like trivial fixes | 17:01 |
| SamYaple | does this make sense to everyone? | 17:01 |
| britthouser | And in general do we backport all bugs? | 17:01 |
| pbourke | yup | 17:01 |
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| SamYaple | britthouser: well if a bug affets the liberty branch then yes | 17:01 |
| sdake | britthouser yes we backport all bugs | 17:01 |
| sdake | but not features | 17:01 |
| SamYaple | now when mitaka comes out and liberty is old-stable we may adopt a securityf-ix only policy | 17:02 |
| sdake | we only backporting the essential mitaka-1 features | 17:02 |
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| SamYaple | ok if everyone is good with the bugs thing then im going to move on | 17:02 |
| sdake | SamYaple | 17:03 |
| SamYaple | yes | 17:03 |
| sdake | please send an email to the mailing list | 17:03 |
| sdake | since we have many missing cores from this meeting | 17:03 |
| SamYaple | ok ill try to figure out how to start an email. i dont email | 17:03 |
| SamYaple | ill get it done | 17:03 |
| sdake | i dont expect this wil go off without a hitch | 17:03 |
| sdake | i expect there wil be a learning curve here | 17:03 |
| SamYaple | not a big deal. it takes 3 seconds to fix a mistake | 17:04 |
| sdake | the reason we are doing this folks is becasue we need to be able to handle backports properly | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | nothing on the patchside even needs to change | 17:04 |
| sdake | ok #2 SamYaple | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | ok next order of business | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/binary-ubuntu | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | I dont think this is going to happen in Mitaka | 17:05 |
| SamYaple | *maybe* cloud-archive will be doing this for the N release | 17:05 |
| sdake | why not get prepped for it now | 17:05 |
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| sdake | besides maybe nobody is around to o the work | 17:05 |
| SamYaple | because cloud-archive has liberty packages right now | 17:05 |
| nihilifer | do we have to use cloud-archive? can't we use just debian? | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | package names change from kilo to liberty to mitaka | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | nihilifer: no this is ubuntu | 17:06 |
| sdake | yes but it should be a simple change to backport to mitaka at the end of the cycle | 17:06 |
| nihilifer | we're installing delorean on all red hat famili distros | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | the debian ones arent built for ubuntu (there are issues) | 17:06 |
| nihilifer | so why we can't install debian on debian family? | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | nihilifer: ubuntu packages have canonical support, debian ones do not | 17:07 |
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| sdake | ok so lets just assume for a moment nihilifer we use cloud archived | 17:07 |
| nihilifer | delorean don't have support from oracle for delorean | 17:07 |
| nihilifer | and we're using it for oracle linux already | 17:07 |
| nihilifer | afaik | 17:07 |
| sdake | what is the harm in packaging liberty in the mitaka releae of kolla from binary packaging | 17:07 |
| SamYaple | i dont really care about centos though, ubuntu packages for ubuntu get support. this is important for busniess | 17:07 |
| SamYaple | besides, as i stated before the debian openstack packages dont work on ubuntu. ive tried them before | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | sdake: yes the package names change | 17:08 |
| sdake | the proposal on the table as I read it is to ship liberty paackages in the mitaka dockerfiles | 17:08 |
| sdake | and do some rework at the nd of the cycle | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | i said this when this came up for liberty, if cloud-archive releases only after openstack i am not ok with including it | 17:09 |
| nihilifer | can we continue this topic on openstack-dev list? maybe if guys from debian and ubuntu packaging teams will see the topic, it will be better | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | because then we cant tag stable with the rest of openstack | 17:09 |
| sdake | nihilifer ca nyu start a thread please ssince sam is anti-mailing-list ) | 17:09 |
| nihilifer | sdake: lol, ok | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | i dont want to new fangled email | 17:10 |
| SamYaple | irc for me | 17:10 |
| sdake | ok anyone else want the floor now? | 17:10 |
| britthouser | britthouser | 17:10 |
| SamYaple | lol | 17:10 |
| sdake | shoot | 17:10 |
| sdake | britthouser ure up | 17:10 |
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| britthouser | Just a quick question/survey. I asked this earlier but figured I might get larger response here. I'm curious what everyone uses for the dev environment? Baremetal or VM? VM in fusion/virtualbox/libvirt? VM in OpenStack? | 17:11 |
| sdake | 4 node bare metal | 17:11 |
| rhallisey | baremetal | 17:12 |
| britthouser | Just wanting to get a feel for what is used the most, so I don't start blazing any trails on my own..at least not yet. =) | 17:12 |
| inc0 | mixture of all for me, but mostly vms | 17:12 |
| pbourke | libvirt | 17:12 |
| sdake | inc0 basically does baremetal in vms :) | 17:12 |
| sdake | (follows baremetal instructions) | 17:12 |
| pbourke | bug not with vagrant as vagrant-libvirt is a pile of @*!* | 17:12 |
| jmccarthy | libvirt, some virtualbox also | 17:12 |
| inc0 | yeah we could look at fixing vagrant | 17:13 |
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| inc0 | I got lots of flame coming my way with "I ran vagrant and it failed" | 17:13 |
| britthouser | Ok...so majority is baremetal, which is what I was planning to. So that gives me warm fuzzies. =) | 17:13 |
| britthouser | thx! | 17:13 |
| pbourke | i have a quick question | 17:13 |
| pbourke | if that's ok | 17:13 |
| sdake | inc0 pelase do - i would but I dont know how to usse vagrant | 17:13 |
| sdake | I thought it got fixed but it did not | 17:13 |
| jpeeler | i happen to use vagrant-libvirt... but haven't deployed in a while | 17:13 |
| sdake | pbourke has floor | 17:13 |
| inc0 | I don't use it as well | 17:13 |
| pbourke | so Im back looking at adding plugin support for kolla | 17:14 |
| pbourke | and would like to move kolla-build.conf to yaml | 17:14 |
| pbourke | to support this | 17:14 |
| pbourke | but, it would cause some backwards compat concerns | 17:14 |
| pbourke | how do people feel about this | 17:14 |
| pbourke | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246942/ | 17:14 |
| sdake | yaml dependencies on deploy node are ok imo | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | im neutral | 17:14 |
| sdake | if you make it work backward compat im good | 17:15 |
| pbourke | sdake: its more that existing build.confs will break | 17:15 |
| pbourke | if people have their own | 17:15 |
| nihilifer | i use vagrant-libvirt mostly | 17:15 |
| sdake | pbourke use two different file names dude | 17:15 |
| sdake | and implement both | 17:15 |
| sdake | (only get plugins with yaml) | 17:15 |
| SamYaple | sdake: im not ok with that | 17:15 |
| inc0 | and mark ini as deprecated | 17:15 |
| SamYaple | thats worse | 17:15 |
| SamYaple | mark ini as deprecate is ok | 17:15 |
| sdake | y amark a deprecate but you can't jus tremove it in a cycle | 17:16 |
| inc0 | lets keep one release of support of both and say ini stops working with N | 17:16 |
| sdake | it needs to be deprecated for one entire cycle | 17:16 |
| inc0 | for a moment we can check "if ini then do stuff, else do yaml stuff" | 17:16 |
| pbourke | there are some alternatives but each have cons | 17:16 |
| sdake | this is standard openstack practice | 17:16 |
| pbourke | e.g. put the plugin config in a separate file and keep the ini | 17:16 |
| pbourke | but id rather just have one build conf | 17:17 |
| inc0 | I dislike having 2 configs with 2 formats for one thing | 17:17 |
| pbourke | yeah | 17:17 |
| sdake | pbourke lets go for one file, keep ini for one cycle, mark depreecated in docs/build.py | 17:17 |
| sdake | and remove at start of N cycle | 17:17 |
| inc0 | support both for a release and remove ini in N? | 17:17 |
| pbourke | I hate to introduce a deprecation but... | 17:17 |
| pbourke | its probably the best option | 17:17 |
| pbourke | ok thanks guys | 17:17 |
| rhallisey | got a question also | 17:18 |
| rhallisey | do you think we're ready to make the gate voting? | 17:18 |
| sdake | holy christ no | 17:18 |
| inc0 | haha | 17:18 |
| pbourke | :p | 17:18 |
| sdake | we need local mirrors of evereything beefor the gate can vote | 17:18 |
| pbourke | SamYaple is about to refactor the whole thing anyway | 17:18 |
| rhallisey | uh it's been pretty solid though | 17:18 |
| inc0 | we don't want delorean to paralyze our dev | 17:18 |
| rhallisey | ya that's true it will change later in the cycle | 17:19 |
| sdake | we also need delorean going through upstream CI before we can gate on its deployment | 17:19 |
| sdake | because atm it breaks reguarlaly | 17:19 |
| inc0 | we could somehow mirror it in CI | 17:19 |
| sdake | the big problem with voting gates atm is local mirrors | 17:19 |
| inc0 | but until we get 100% dependable dependencies (well...meh), I'm -1 on voting | 17:20 |
| SamYaple | its unlikely well ever make an binary packages master voting | 17:20 |
| SamYaple | we may be able to maek the source gates voting after some mirrors are in place | 17:20 |
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| rhallisey | ya it would be for source | 17:20 |
| sdake | i tend to agree with SamYaple it wil be difficult to make something that doesn't change per commit (delorean changfes every 3 days) voting | 17:20 |
| inc0 | we can mirror binary as well | 17:20 |
| SamYaple | mirroring is not the issue inc0 | 17:21 |
| SamYaple | its the 'delorean is broken' is the issue | 17:21 |
| sdake | here is what happens | 17:21 |
| sdake | bad commit hits master | 17:21 |
| sdake | delorean rebuildds | 17:21 |
| sdake | bad commit in master reverted | 17:21 |
| sdake | delorean bits stick around for 3 days | 17:21 |
| sdake | while the gate falls over | 17:21 |
| sdake | until new delorean build is available | 17:21 |
| pbourke | could just make source gates voting? | 17:22 |
| pbourke | for now | 17:22 |
| sdake | the source gates fail atm often | 17:22 |
| pbourke | doh | 17:22 |
| sdake | i htink becasue of mirroring but i am not certain | 17:22 |
| inc0 | it will fail a lot more often if we introduce deployment | 17:22 |
| SamYaple | source gates do not fail often | 17:22 |
| SamYaple | unless there is an issue | 17:22 |
| inc0 | also source gates have little impact tbh | 17:22 |
| pbourke | inc0: how so | 17:23 |
| inc0 | if it builds, it doesn't mean it works | 17:23 |
| pbourke | inc0: we also deploy | 17:23 |
| rhallisey | well gat deploys too | 17:23 |
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| SamYaple | yea but if the playbooks finish then it says ok | 17:23 |
| inc0 | and that will be super problematic because we'll become CI for openstack | 17:23 |
| SamYaple | it doesnt currently check containers are up | 17:23 |
| SamYaple | working on it | 17:23 |
| inc0 | glance breaks packaging, we have our work paralyzed | 17:23 |
| SamYaple | inc0: if glance doesnt deploy, then they cant commit | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | they run it through devstack too | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | any problems we feel others will | 17:24 |
| inc0 | but devstack doesnt have lib separation | 17:24 |
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| sdake | if other projects gated on kolla in a voting way | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | sure but they dont have a lib stomping issue anymore inc0 | 17:24 |
| sdake | then thatwould make wense :) | 17:24 |
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| inc0 | it would then | 17:25 |
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| inc0 | but "it worked on devstack" doesn't mean it works with us | 17:25 |
| sdake | ok quick info on midcycle | 17:25 |
| inc0 | that's my point | 17:25 |
| sdake | SamYaple has secured us a facility | 17:25 |
| inc0 | so south carolina?;) | 17:25 |
| sdake | i will pubilsh a voting of the schedule | 17:25 |
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| rhallisey | sweet | 17:25 |
| sdake | peoplease, pleae vote | 17:26 |
| sdake | there will be soda coffee lunch | 17:26 |
| sdake | remote access will be possible but not ideal | 17:26 |
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| sdake | i may try to get u ssome bagels for the morning | 17:27 |
| sdake | depends on how my flights 2work out and rental car situation | 17:27 |
| inc0 | let's cook together;) | 17:27 |
| SamYaple | too many cooks | 17:27 |
| sdake | it wil be 2 days | 17:27 |
| rhallisey | inc0, bring us some world famous texas BBQ | 17:27 |
| sdake | tuesday/wednedsay | 17:27 |
| inc0 | rhallisey, I'm yet to try it tbh | 17:28 |
| SamYaple | rhallisey: carolina BBQ is also good ;) | 17:28 |
| sdake | next meeting we will start working on the agenda | 17:28 |
| rhallisey | I know! | 17:28 |
| rhallisey | :) | 17:28 |
| britthouser | please no carolina BBQ | 17:28 |
| britthouser | =P | 17:28 |
| SamYaple | dry rub vs tomato based | 17:28 |
| inc0 | haha | 17:28 |
| SamYaple | NC has vinegar | 17:28 |
| SamYaple | silly north carolina | 17:28 |
| SamYaple | ok times up | 17:28 |
| SamYaple | back to #kolla | 17:28 |
| rhallisey | bye | 17:28 |
| sdake | ya times up | 17:28 |
| sdake | enjooy | 17:29 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 17:29:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-11-18-16.30.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-11-18-16.30.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-11-18-16.30.log.html | 17:29 |
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| raginbajin | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 19:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is raginbajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: operators_ops_tools_monitoring)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 19:00 |
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| raginbajin | o/ | 19:00 |
| j^2 | o/ | 19:00 |
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| klindgren | o/ ? | 19:01 |
| j^2 | hi! | 19:01 |
| raginbajin | hello friends. | 19:02 |
| j^2 | raginbajin: i can run with this if you want | 19:02 |
| raginbajin | Sounds like a plan. | 19:02 |
| j^2 | perfect | 19:02 |
| j^2 | can you give me #chair? | 19:02 |
| raginbajin | #chair j^2 | 19:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: j^2 raginbajin | 19:03 |
| j^2 | rock on | 19:03 |
| j^2 | #topic Pre-Agenda | 19:03 |
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| j^2 | So i've been putting together a blog post about successful IRC meetings | 19:04 |
| j^2 | the first thing involved is an agenda | 19:04 |
| mdorman | seems like a good start | 19:04 |
| j^2 | I'd like to propose creating agendas via etherpad and posting them ahead of time | 19:04 |
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| j^2 | i have a template i used for #openstack-chef and we can work off that | 19:04 |
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| mdorman | +1 | 19:05 |
| j^2 | I also propose using the OSOps wiki page to host storewhatever the agendas | 19:05 |
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| j^2 | anyone object to this? I can run with it if needed | 19:05 |
| klindgren | No objection from me | 19:06 |
| raginbajin | no objection | 19:06 |
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| j^2 | rock on, i'll give a 20 more seconds before i'll take that action item | 19:06 |
| j^2 | #action j^2 creates the agendas for the following meetings and adds them to OSOps. Create template and template email to pre announce the meetings | 19:07 |
| j^2 | #topic Meeting times | 19:07 |
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| j^2 | just to make sure we have it captured here i created two reviews today | 19:08 |
| j^2 | one to remove the "Team Meeting" | 19:08 |
| j^2 | and one to add OSOps to this meeting time | 19:08 |
| j^2 | are there any other thoughts or objections to these actions? | 19:08 |
| raginbajin | no objections to it. already +1'ed it | 19:09 |
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| j^2 | awesome | 19:09 |
| j^2 | and just to verify that this is a good time for all involed and it's every _other_ weeb | 19:09 |
| j^2 | week* | 19:09 |
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| j^2 | aka "odd weeks" | 19:10 |
| j^2 | good? | 19:11 |
| klindgren | typically I think this time works for me | 19:11 |
| raginbajin | I asked for as much input as i could and came up with this to make sure it works for west coast peoples | 19:11 |
| j^2 | raginbajin: nice | 19:11 |
| mdorman | works for me | 19:11 |
| balajin | works for me | 19:12 |
| j^2 | awesome | 19:12 |
| j^2 | #topic Coding Standards | 19:12 |
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| j^2 | my can o'worms! | 19:12 |
| j^2 | if yall have seen, the ML post about the coding standards for tools-generic | 19:13 |
| j^2 | i'd like to open up this and start a discussion around it | 19:13 |
| j^2 | I'm a rubyist and a sysadmin, so bash and ruby are the only things i have any real opinion on; what are the pythonists thoughts? | 19:13 |
| raginbajin | Is there an OpenStack standard for this? | 19:14 |
| mdorman | i don’t have any strong opinions on this. but for python why don’t we do the same standards as are on all the other openstack stuff? | 19:14 |
| balajin | no preference, some standard is good | 19:14 |
| balajin | usually the code i write is only readable by me | 19:15 |
| balajin | if we are looking at sharing and reusing, some standard is good | 19:15 |
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| j^2 | raginbajin: from what i've seen there "isn't" but is at the same time. Every project has it's own ability to choose what they want | 19:16 |
| mdorman | maybe we just use the same pep8 settings as nova uses, just as an arbitrary starting point | 19:16 |
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| j^2 | mdorman: that's good enough for me | 19:16 |
| j^2 | and if we stick with the pep8 then the bashpep8 thingy is another good starting point | 19:16 |
| mdorman | agreed. | 19:16 |
| j^2 | does anyone here have a good grasp of the gating system with zuul? | 19:17 |
| klindgren | yea - When I brought this up a while back - my only real concern was that the curated scripts functioned the same way. IE they took the same command line options, or read from ENV's for auth | 19:17 |
| j^2 | i have..an ok relationship with it, but if someone considers themselve an expert, id like to defer to them | 19:17 |
| klindgren | no XP here with Zuul | 19:17 |
| j^2 | klindgren: yeah i think that's deeper then we need to get for the moment. I think just basic linting is a good place to start | 19:18 |
| balajin | not me either | 19:18 |
| mdorman | no zuul here either | 19:19 |
| j^2 | ok, i guess i'll take the action item ;) | 19:19 |
| j^2 | #action j^2 to figure out how to use zuul to validate against the pep8 (python|bash) and rubocop linters | 19:19 |
| mdorman | thanks man | 19:20 |
| mdorman | happy to help review | 19:20 |
| j^2 | perfect | 19:20 |
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| j^2 | see when we all decide on things then it's not really a can o'worms, is it :P | 19:20 |
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| balajin | :) | 19:21 |
| j^2 | any other thoughts or objections to this topic? I'll give a minute for any extra thoughts or to keep the conversation going | 19:22 |
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| j^2 | nice | 19:23 |
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| j^2 | #topic Open Floor | 19:23 |
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| j^2 | Those were the topics that i would have put on the agenda, what other topics would people like to talk about? | 19:23 |
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| mdorman | not that i want to talk about this, but any comments/discussion needed around a mid-cycle. sounds like people are mostly congregating around the idea of having the one in manchester | 19:24 |
| mdorman | rather than ‘regional’ ones. (which i agree with) | 19:24 |
| j^2 | yeah that's how i got it too | 19:24 |
| balajin | +1 for me, a single midcycle | 19:24 |
| raginbajin | yep single midcycle but its going to interestign to see how an international one goes. | 19:25 |
| j^2 | as i said in my post about it, they have been invaluable to me for the conversations alone. but being out of the country puts another layer of complexity for me to get on it | 19:25 |
| mdorman | right. | 19:25 |
| j^2 | granted i think i can swing this one but i need to talk to my management chain | 19:25 |
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| klindgren | I dunno if the single meet-up is the best idea | 19:27 |
| j^2 | klindgren: yeah? whys that? | 19:27 |
| klindgren | I think ops is differnt in that instead of having say 20-30 people at a midcycle you have say 200+ | 19:27 |
| mdorman | i bet there will still be a fair amount of people from north america that will go | 19:27 |
| klindgren | just that I think when the midcycle is in a region - you are going to get more of those people in that region at the meetup (not bad) | 19:28 |
| raginbajin | I'm not sure about that especially have an international summit. | 19:28 |
| klindgren | but I think a number of the same topics are going to get rehashed | 19:28 |
| klindgren | Like - monitoring, packaging, tooling | 19:28 |
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| mdorman | so you’re saying it’s good to have a single meeting, rather than several parallel ones in each region? | 19:29 |
| j^2 | the challange of a regional meetup though is that you need to find a sponsor of it. If we go through the openstack foundation they do all that stuff to make it happen. It's hard enough for us to get a project together, but a regional meetup that would be murder on logistics | 19:30 |
| klindgren | sorry I guess I am mixed on regional vs's single | 19:31 |
| mdorman | i agree with the rehashing point | 19:31 |
| klindgren | all I know is that the summit seemed rather underattended in the OP's things | 19:32 |
| j^2 | true, every one we have we talk about a lot of the _same_ things | 19:32 |
| j^2 | klindgren: it's because it's right at the same time as the other talks are going on. you're constantly at odds with what you want to see/do | 19:32 |
| j^2 | drove me crazy to be honest | 19:32 |
| mdorman | i think the rehashing is a different problem than the location of the meeting | 19:33 |
| j^2 | mdorman: that's accurate | 19:33 |
| mdorman | and yeah i know there was a lot of feedback this summit about trying to keep the tracks from overlapping as much | 19:33 |
| mdorman | austin goes back to the 4+1 days format, instead of 3+1, so it should be better | 19:33 |
| klindgren | I think re-hashing will occur if you get a bunch of people who could other wise not attend because the meeting is more local | 19:33 |
| klindgren | but I would rather more people get invovled | 19:33 |
| klindgren | so thats why I am split on it | 19:33 |
| mdorman | i see what you’re saying | 19:33 |
| mdorman | yeah i mean the reality is no matter where it’s held, it’s going to be prohibitive to some people who are located far away | 19:34 |
| klindgren | Eitherway - I don't know if I will be able to make it to the meetup | 19:34 |
| klindgren | s/meetup/mid-cycle | 19:35 |
| mdorman | right. | 19:35 |
| mdorman | anyway i don’t know that we need to discuss extensively more here. | 19:35 |
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| klindgren | yep yep | 19:35 |
| klindgren | I am interested to see if it pans out -even if I can't make it | 19:36 |
| klindgren | I would like to see people join more working groups | 19:36 |
| mdorman | +1 | 19:36 |
| klindgren | and we can get more members doing stuff | 19:36 |
| mdorman | +1 to that too | 19:36 |
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| mdorman | anybody else have any other topics? | 19:38 |
| j^2 | not i | 19:38 |
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| mdorman | my next topic: lunch! | 19:39 |
| j^2 | ha! | 19:39 |
| j^2 | i think we should share this, or at least run with the notes to the ML, raginbajin do you mind doing that or do you want me to? | 19:40 |
| klindgren | my next topic: Profile openstack-conductor! | 19:40 |
| raginbajin | j^2 Yeah I can do that. | 19:40 |
| j^2 | awesome | 19:40 |
| mdorman | yup notes to ML is a great idea | 19:40 |
| j^2 | show the community that we're making this happen | 19:40 |
| j^2 | cool, anything else? | 19:41 |
| j^2 | i think we've made some great progress already | 19:42 |
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| mdorman | i’m good | 19:42 |
| j^2 | raginbajin: want to end the meeting? | 19:43 |
| raginbajin | I think that works for me unless anyone has anything else. | 19:43 |
| mdorman | thanks j^2 and raginbajin | 19:43 |
| j^2 | :D | 19:44 |
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| j^2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247075/ | 19:45 |
| j^2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247070/ | 19:45 |
| j^2 | just so we have them in the notes | 19:46 |
| raginbajin | Cool. | 19:47 |
| raginbajin | Then sounds like we are good then | 19:47 |
| j^2 | yep | 19:48 |
| raginbajin | #endmeeting | 19:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 19:48:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-11-18-19.00.html | 19:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-11-18-19.00.txt | 19:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-11-18-19.00.log.html | 19:48 |
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| Jokke_ | Hello o/ | 20:00 |
| Jokke_ | Anyone up for log WG meeting? | 20:00 |
| Jokke_ | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 20:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:01 |
| Jokke_ | #topic round call | 20:01 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 20:02 |
| Jokke_ | hi Rocky | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | Hey! I'm tired. | 20:02 |
| Jokke_ | looks like it's the two of us | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | of course. | 20:02 |
| Jokke_ | agenda for today? Sounds like something light and short :P | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:02 |
| openstack | Rockyg: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 20:02 |
| Jokke_ | #chair Rockyg | 20:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Jokke_ Rockyg | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | oh. ;P | 20:03 |
| Jokke_ | we have meeting on already | 20:03 |
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| Rockyg | Good. | 20:03 |
| Jokke_ | I thought to leave note to the logs if no-one shows up :P | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | #topic Dev Progress | 20:03 |
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| Rockyg | #info the flexible user info patch got merged. Forget what the review id is | 20:04 |
| Rockyg | #info Work has started on dynamic reconfig | 20:05 |
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| Rockyg | #info no progress on request-id propagated to log message spec | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | Anything else on this topic? | 20:05 |
| Jokke_ | not that I know ... that was well tl;dr'd | 20:05 |
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| Rockyg | :-) | 20:06 |
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| Rockyg | So, that means open discussion... | 20:06 |
| Rockyg | #topic Open Discussion | 20:06 |
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| Jokke_ | I haven't seen any of the logging bugs coming in yet | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | #info still need to write up summary of log work for Mitaka and post to Dev and Ops ML | 20:07 |
| Jokke_ | from those most annoying filter these out lists | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | #info Still need to write fiery email to get Ops to file log level bugs | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | There. Haven't gotten to it yet. Haven't gotten my dev ML mailbox below 200 messages yet. :P | 20:08 |
| Jokke_ | ouch | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. Lots of distractions. Especially the stable release stuff. | 20:09 |
| Jokke_ | the log rationalization ... should we prep specs for that for the wider direction or keep it in the bugs? | 20:09 |
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| Jokke_ | I'd like to keep it in the bugs tbh to avoid crazy bikeshedding | 20:09 |
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| Rockyg | Well, Doug wants us to just file lots of bugs for log level fixes. He thinks if we get that done this release, we could go for error code next. | 20:10 |
| Rockyg | So, keeping in bugs is good. | 20:10 |
| Jokke_ | it's so much easier to triage example by "Yes that is horrible indeed" than discuss about any wider concepts that would need to happen | 20:10 |
| Jokke_ | yeah | 20:10 |
| Jokke_ | I forgot about that | 20:10 |
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| Jokke_ | so to get to work we really need those bugs | 20:11 |
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| Rockyg | The irritating thing is, if someone is in the code, changing levels, they could also be adding codes. | 20:11 |
| Jokke_ | I know, but I guess that boat has sailed for OpenStack | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. Until I get a couple of interns. So, N. | 20:12 |
| Jokke_ | need to wait until it's big enough painpoint for big enough deployers/support/service providers to get sufficient pressure on | 20:12 |
| Jokke_ | :D | 20:13 |
| Rockyg | Pain point is already there, but most devs don't hear. And if as a dev, you're only focused on one project, you don't see the breadth of the problem. | 20:14 |
| Jokke_ | I know as I said it's not big enough to get those execs telling that they are sick and tired of hearing about it, "Devs do something" | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | So, let me hijack this meeting. Release..... | 20:16 |
| Jokke_ | shoot | 20:16 |
| Rockyg | I'm thinking: Get prod wg involved. I also hear I need to get foundation mktg involved. | 20:16 |
| Jokke_ | should we wrap the meeting and just use the time and empty room? | 20:16 |
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| * Jokke_ is wondering if we have anything else that should be logged to log_wg minutes | 20:17 | |
| Rockyg | possible plan: juno: keep tree and do regular grenade testing to kilo; kilo: get stable proj in shape to maybe try critical/security patches for 1.5 years?; liberty: ready for 2 yrs support? | 20:18 |
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| * Rockyg thinks we can push to next week for more log stuff. Unless I missed something in the ml about logging | 20:19 | |
| Jokke_ | I have difficulties to see that being agreed by tomorrow (even to the state "yes it's possible, lets postpone EOLing juno until we're sure") | 20:19 |
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| Jokke_ | #endmeeting | 20:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 20:20:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-11-18-20.01.html | 20:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-11-18-20.01.txt | 20:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-11-18-20.01.log.html | 20:20 |
| Jokke_ | ok more of releases/stable | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | my problem is I need to get the logging stuff done before I can really focus on stable. | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | I don't want to stop EOL. Just stop removal. | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | 69% of prod clouds are on Icehouse or Juno | 20:21 |
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| Rockyg | Need to ensure Kilo backports don't break juno->kilo upgrades | 20:21 |
| Jokke_ | do we have any statistics of how many of those are having realistic plans to move forward | 20:22 |
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| Rockyg | No numbers on upgrade plans, but Ops thread on the subject says it takes 3-4months to get a new release qualified before upgrade work can begin. | 20:23 |
| Jokke_ | I think that could be reasonable and I guess there is couple of hours in a week when CI is quiet enough to do the runs _if_ that doesn't mean that we need to keep dedicated infra for that | 20:23 |
| Jokke_ | well clearly those who are still on icehouse haven't taken that on by rushing | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | Juno still supports 2.6python but I think we could make the case for only testing 2.7 | 20:24 |
| Jokke_ | well relying on 2.6 will break your upgrade experience anyways | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | So, done! | 20:25 |
| Jokke_ | you convinced me conditionally ... you have what 16000 more to go | 20:25 |
| Rockyg | No 2.6 support needed to do juno->kilo grenade testing | 20:25 |
| Rockyg | Well, the other issue is ubuntu 12.04 I don't think Kilo supports that, either, but not positive | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | So we might need to keep a couple of those machines around for the grenade tests | 20:27 |
| Jokke_ | so what's the next one we expect to support? | 20:27 |
| Jokke_ | and does juno support that? | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | 14.04 And, yeah. Juno should run on that. | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | So, that might also be a done deal. | 20:28 |
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| Jokke_ | so could test on 14.04 and py27 | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. Just that config. And that should be enough. | 20:28 |
| Jokke_ | so bare minimum to prove that if one has taken care of platform upgrades the software will not fall apart | 20:29 |
| Rockyg | So, load up juno eol on 14.04 and py2.7, grenade test to kilo. Any time a patch is submitted to the kilo stable branch (which should be seldom) | 20:30 |
| Jokke_ | that might be pushing it, periodic job in the quiet moment of the week to run that test just might get through | 20:31 |
| Jokke_ | and for most projects that's probably way more than what you are proposing | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | My sentiments, too. | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | Also, final push on kilo will be busy. Unless the stable proj has come up with new processes already. | 20:32 |
| Jokke_ | it still might be easier to get agreement on | 20:32 |
| Jokke_ | lets see first if there will be stable project and what it will eventually do | 20:33 |
| Rockyg | Should be in place by kilo eol, though. and yeah. Grenade in quiet time is good. Probably early Asia time. | 20:33 |
| Jokke_ | I'm sure infra has good statistics of the loads | 20:34 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. | 20:36 |
| Jokke_ | so how to convince the rest? | 20:37 |
| Rockyg | Well, started the conv on a thread a couple of days ago. Not much traffic on the thread, though. | 20:38 |
| Jokke_ | that tends to be the trend | 20:38 |
| Jokke_ | U got a reply 'though | 20:38 |
| Jokke_ | if my memory doesn't fail me totally | 20:39 |
| Rockyg | yup. And a suggestion was just using the tarball for the eol. That might work, but I bet it would be easier to use the tree... | 20:39 |
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| Jokke_ | probably, as that's something we have everything done already | 20:40 |
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| Jokke_ | Rockyg: do you want to collect this brainstorming to a reply for that? | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | Yup. I'd like to use infra as an example of why expecting lockstep moves is ignorant. frinstance, infra went from gerrit 2.8- 2.11 | 20:43 |
| Jokke_ | but 2.8 wasn't years old yet :P | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | Yah, but the reply ight be better from the guy who volunteered to be stable PTL ;-) | 20:44 |
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| Jokke_ | I can try :P Not convinced that my word is any heavier than yours 'though :D | 20:45 |
| Rockyg | I bet it was at least a year, maybe 1.5 or so. | 20:45 |
| Jokke_ | but tbh I could have formed the same question as do you want to do it or do you want me to do it :P | 20:45 |
| Rockyg | I'm trying to figure that out, but I'm having problems getting dates of release cuts. | 20:45 |
| Rockyg | Yeah, but your word is a different word, plus you're a ATC | 20:46 |
| Jokke_ | ok ... I'll try to word it sensibly for the ML | 20:47 |
| Rockyg | Thanks! | 20:47 |
| Rockyg | So, 2.8 looks to have come out a year ago. | 20:48 |
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| Jokke_ | that's pretty good then | 20:49 |
| Jokke_ | and 2.11 | 20:49 |
| Rockyg | Nope, sorry. 2 years ago. | 20:49 |
| Rockyg | and 2.11 in June. | 20:50 |
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| Jokke_ | 2.8-rc3 was 2013-11-22 | 20:51 |
| Rockyg | So, 5-6months behind and rolling on a 1.5 year schedule? | 20:51 |
| Rockyg | Tag was placed on2.8 on 12/4/2013 | 20:51 |
| Jokke_ | 2.8.1 2014-02-18 | 20:51 |
| Jokke_ | so yeah something between year and year & half between versions then | 20:52 |
| Rockyg | 2.11 tag is 2015/4/17 | 20:53 |
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| Rockyg | And I believe that the changed didn't happen until there were enough desired features to outweigh the costs of changes to heavily used existing features | 20:54 |
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| Rockyg | So, if infra works that way, how can the community expect commercial entities to work differently? | 20:54 |
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| Rockyg | How many devs do you think upgrade their linux every release? | 20:55 |
| Rockyg | Oh, look at the time! | 20:56 |
| Rockyg | So, do you have enough fodder for the simple "keep the tree around but locked down" email reply? | 20:57 |
| Jokke_ | :) | 20:58 |
| Jokke_ | I should | 20:58 |
| Rockyg | I'm gonna get lunch then try to finish up my expense report stuff so I can concentrate on real stuff | 20:58 |
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| Rockyg | See ya later! | 20:59 |
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