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| kairat | o/ | 14:01 |
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| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | Courtesy meeting reminder: Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Glance | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 14:01:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| kairat | o/ | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | 0/ | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | hey folks! welcome :) | 14:01 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil | o/ | 14:01 |
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| flaper87 | awesome, we have quorum. I believe jokke_ is around too! | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | let's get started | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:02 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | as usual, our agenda is there and we have some interesting topics to discuss | 14:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic Artifacts updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Artifacts updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:03 | |
| flaper87 | ativelkov: nikhil mfedosin | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | news? | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | hi there! | 14:03 |
| nikhil | hi | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | Alex wrote a big message | 14:03 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | [openstack-dev] [app-catalog] [glance] [murano] Data Assets API for App Catalog | 14:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | the email w.r.t the app catalog ? | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | ah yeah | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | planning to get to it tomorrow | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | I haven't read it yet, but it's about next implementation of Glance v3 API | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | ok, I'll read it carefully and I'd like to encourage everyone to do that | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | flaper87, we're waiting for your response on that matter | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | sure thing | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | flaper87, everyone is welcome in the discussion :) | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | thanks | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | I'd love to hear others opinions there. I think it's important | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 14:05 |
| flaper87 | #topic Drivers updates | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Drivers updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:06 | |
| flaper87 | We discussed a, hopefully, improvement for proposing small specs. These specs have been refered to as lite specs for a while and we didn't have a good way to manage them. In the hope of keeping the user's process simple, we've discussed using LP whislist bugs as lite specs and to implement a small process for it. | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | The discussion happened here: | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-10-13-14.01.log.html | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | and I've started to document the process here: | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234653/ | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | The document needs some work and jokke_ has stated he doesn't like the idea at all, very clearly. (at least he did it in lowercase :P) | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to encourage everyone to go through the logs and the proposal. It'd be great to get some further feedback on the process. | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | Personally, I believe this is worth a try and it's definitely something we can revert or move away from if it doesn't work out. | 14:06 |
| flaper87 | I think it'd be healthy to keep this discussion on that review but, if there are questions already, we can take some time now | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | The meeting logs are not very long and the docs could use more eyeballs | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | concerns? Shall we move on to the next update ? | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:08 |
| bunting | What will we do with the current bugs marked wishlist? | 14:08 |
| nikhil | It doesn't hurt to try a beta | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | bunting: those will be triaged | 14:08 |
| nikhil | meaning lets pick some potential lite-specs and see how people give feedback | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | yup, that's the goal | 14:08 |
| abhishekk | ++ | 14:08 |
| nikhil | and then document the process 2-3 weeks after the summit | 14:08 |
| flaper87 | if it doesn't work, we can move to something else | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:09 |
| nikhil | or mention in the doc that we are trying | 14:09 |
| nikhil | I will comment | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: ++ | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | I did mention it's being introdued in Mitaka | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | introduced | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | I think it's gonna be really messy | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | but my comments are mainly on that doc change | 14:10 |
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| flaper87 | ok | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | lets move on | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | #topic release updates | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:10 | |
| flaper87 | jokke_: floor is yours | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | So Glance got nice and shiny "11.0.0" Liberty tag just 35min ago | 14:11 |
| rosmaita | yay | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | w00000h00000 | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | Thanks everyone and big hand to nikhil for being on the wheel | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | also stable/kilo point release was tagged earlier this week | 14:12 |
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| flaper87 | w000h000000 | 14:12 |
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| flaper87 | speaking about stable: glanceclient stable/juno gate works now | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | thanks for the help keeping our stable together as well for all the bugfixes and backporters! | 14:12 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: gr8!!! | 14:12 |
| nikhil | flaper87: yeah, there were some inconsistencies in stable/juno for client | 14:12 |
| nikhil | and the project mark for py3 support was partial so, mostly incorrect | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | back to green now, which is good now that juno will soon reach EOL | 14:13 |
| * flaper87 hates EOL'ing versions that don't have a working gate | 14:13 | |
| jokke_ | yeah ... I'll try to have a look if there is something critical we should backport for that before closure | 14:13 |
| nikhil | anyone are you aware of the deprecation dates for juno? | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | it's likely going to be decided at the summit | 14:14 |
| nikhil | yeah, I don't remember the official deprecation dates | 14:14 |
| nikhil | I see | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: Iirc in 3months time or so ... the support for Juno was promised 15months | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | yeah, but there have been changes (or at least there were in YVR) | 14:14 |
| nikhil | gotcha, thanks jokke_. but that's still a few months down .. | 14:14 |
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| jokke_ | yeah we've had hope to keep bit overlap | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | there's an email thread about this, I should look it up | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | that's it from release front | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on if there's nothing else on this topic | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | good | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | #topic cross-project liaisons | 14:15 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | There are a couple of things here: | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | 1) We need to update that wiki page, namely, we need volunteers for the several liaison roles. | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | I'll be pinging folks that are listed there to make sure they still have time for it | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | I can be Glance<->Documentation liason, btw :) | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | BUT!if you want to volunteer for something, please, let me know. Even if there's someone listed there | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: awesome | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | since I work with Olena | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | #info mfedosin wants to volunteer for the glance->docs liaison role | 14:17 |
| jokke_ | I'm happy to keep the Stable | 14:17 |
| rosmaita | i think i already am cross-doc liason | 14:17 |
| mclaren | I'll volunteer for security | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | w000h0000 | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | many volunteers | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | keep it coming | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | we need one more | 14:17 |
| nikhil | security for me too if there's room | 14:18 |
| mfedosin | rosmaita, ah, okay. you are already there | 14:18 |
| nikhil | nova<->glance needs update and I think flaper87 is the the POC ? | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | we need someone that can help attending the cross-project meetings that may/may not disappear in the future | 14:18 |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: let's talk at the summit | 14:18 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: yeah | 14:18 |
| nikhil | flaper87: I was gunna suggest that | 14:18 |
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| flaper87 | I would attend those but they happen in a really bad time for me and I'd love to have some help there | 14:19 |
| nikhil | planning to help with CPL meetings in Mitaka. | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | I know nikhil has attended some and <3 for that | 14:19 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: I can also share the workload on the release front if needed. Have been doing it (maybe too much) already ;) | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | rosmaita, sure! frankly speaking I don't want to get another responsibility :) | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: sweet, would love to work with you on that | 14:19 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil: mind if to take the CPL meetings one instead of security (or with security) | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:20 |
| nikhil | I can do infra+qa if there's no spot on secuity | 14:20 |
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| nikhil | flaper87: sure, I figured. the second one should be PTL | 14:20 |
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| nikhil | trying to find a big difference between infra and qa atm | 14:21 |
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| nikhil | flaper87: so, what's the difference between CPL and inter project liaisons? | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: you mean the CPL should be just for PTLs? I guess that's how it was presented but it's really hard for me to attend. I've participated in some but can't do them all | 14:22 |
| nikhil | flaper87: is that just CPL meetings liaisons | 14:22 |
| nikhil | ? | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: yeah | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | Anyone knows who Nate Ziemann is? :P | 14:22 |
| nikhil | I do | 14:22 |
| nikhil | work with me | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | we'll clarify a lot during the summit | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | since there'll be a session on this | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | Seems to be our Product Working Group liaison, but never heard of him ... just wondering if he has put his name on wrong line | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | Ok, thanks everyone for volunteering, I'll add you to the wiki if you're not there already | 14:22 |
| nikhil | flaper87: I don't mind attending CPL meetings as I do that for awareness anyways.. | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | we need to move on, many other topics to go through | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: ++ lets talk offline | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | thanks, btw! | 14:23 |
| nikhil | jokke_: he's prod mgr at IBM and active at the group there. I've had a chat with him in Liberty. He put his name them I sup.. | 14:23 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Trusts in glance (mfedosin, kairat) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233601/2 | 14:23 |
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| mfedosin | hey! | 14:23 |
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| mfedosin | just wanted to inform you that we started trusts implementation in Glance | 14:24 |
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| kairat | I would call it PoC at this stage) | 14:24 |
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| mfedosin | here's the basic code https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233601/ | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | that's awesome | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | #link Trusts in glance (mfedosin, kairat) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233601/2 | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | ops | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | #undo | 14:25 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233601/ | 14:25 |
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| mfedosin | and we're going to insert it in appropriate places in glance | 14:25 |
| nikhil | do we have a spec for this? | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: do you have an ETA? | 14:26 |
| mfedosin | exactly in image uploading v1 and v2 | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: there's one | 14:26 |
| mfedosin | nikhil yes | 14:26 |
| nikhil | I am trying to get a sense of what the scope is | 14:26 |
| kairat | flaper87, need to be updated | 14:26 |
| kairat | flaper87, I am going to update it tommorow | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229878/ | 14:26 |
| nikhil | got it, thanks! | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | ^^ the spec | 14:26 |
| nikhil | :) | 14:26 |
| mfedosin | kairat, yes please :) | 14:26 |
| mfedosin | the problem was - how to pass trust into glance_store | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | please, keep the spec updated as we're in the process of digging into those | 14:27 |
| mfedosin | because there is no keystoneclient dependency there | 14:27 |
| mclaren | mfedosin: looking forward to chatting about this at the summit | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | would it be worth it having a session on this? | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | there are free slots | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | there is session proposed | 14:27 |
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| flaper87 | where? | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | did I miss it? | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | on the etherpad | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | but today after a discussion with Flavio we decided to add it as optional dependency to Swift backend | 14:28 |
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| nikhil | flaper87: late addition | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | deep blue just above x-proj | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | was that recently added? | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | flaper87, I added it | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | ahhh | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | ok, I'm not crazy then | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | I mean... | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | yesterday, I suppose | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | I am... but yeah | 14:28 |
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| flaper87 | mfedosin: sounds great, I'll add it to the schedule | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | without trust we can't use multitenant swift driver | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | because it's unsecure | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | (see my latest cve) | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | awesome! | 14:29 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: are you planning to add that as an optional way to authN? | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | so we should implement them asap I think | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: it'd be great to get your review on the spec for this work | 14:29 |
| mclaren | yup, I'm on it | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: awesome, thank you | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: anything else? | 14:30 |
| nikhil | because, with swift we still don't have a way upstream for operators to move away from bad old locations and prevent them from keeping swift auth v1. | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | nikhil, I'm not sure right now, but yeah - we can reathenticate with trust to get new token | 14:30 |
| nikhil | ok, let's discuss this on spec. | 14:31 |
| nikhil | thanks. | 14:31 |
| mfedosin | we can discuss it on the summit | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | ++ on spec | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | moving on | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | #topic Approach for location management policies (kairat) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233687/ | 14:31 |
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| mfedosin | if you interested than put your name in the etherpad | 14:31 |
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| kairat | So I created a spec that changes the policy approach for get_image_location | 14:32 |
| kairat | Now i see that light-spec should be different (will change it soon) | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | kairat: if you wrote the spec already, don't change it | 14:33 |
| kairat | The change proposes just exclude location info from server response when policy doesn't allow it | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | it's there, we can review that | 14:33 |
| kairat | flaper87, ok | 14:33 |
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| kairat | I would like to have some feedback on it | 14:33 |
| nikhil | kairat: hmm, are we not using show direct url config option? | 14:33 |
| kairat | Previously(in v2), we prohibited image-show, image-list of policy doesn't allow us | 14:34 |
| kairat | nikhil, when it is true then policy should manage this | 14:34 |
| kairat | IMO | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | yes we have config option for that and we support the policy limitations for to whom it's exposed | 14:34 |
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| flaper87 | mmh, if we're adding policies, I wonder if we still need the config_option | 14:34 |
| kairat | Additionally, i found a bug https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233687/ | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | I'll comment on the spec | 14:34 |
| mclaren | show direct url is off by default I think | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: was just battling around this quite a bit so might be able to give bit more light there | 14:35 |
| nikhil | may be we need it for v1 flaper87 | 14:35 |
| mclaren | (If I'm thinking of the right thing) | 14:35 |
| mclaren | I can try | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: oh, good point. I'll have to check | 14:35 |
| mclaren | by default show multiple locations is off | 14:35 |
| kairat | but when it is true then get_image_location is useless right now | 14:36 |
| mclaren | if you switch it on and then restrict the get_locations policy then lots of things don't work properly | 14:36 |
| kairat | because image-show image-list is also forbidden | 14:36 |
| kairat | mclaren, +1 | 14:36 |
| mclaren | It's bad, but hopefully a corner case | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: ++ | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | there is bug open for that | 14:36 |
| mclaren | you have to switch on two incompatible non-default things | 14:36 |
| nikhil | yes | 14:36 |
| nikhil | hopefully policies would be able to handle v1 too | 14:37 |
| kairat | Also I noticed that we cannot add/delete location is show_multiple is off | 14:37 |
| nikhil | then we can deprecate it | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: that's my hope | 14:37 |
| mclaren | and showing image locations is very brave IMHO :-) | 14:37 |
| bunting | ++ | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | deprecating the option would be ideal so we can just use policies | 14:37 |
| nikhil | well people want to do that mclaren | 14:37 |
| nikhil | like ironic | 14:37 |
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| flaper87 | not everyone runs a public cloud | 14:38 |
| * nikhil nods | 14:38 | |
| jokke_ | and I'm a lot against feature adds on v1 ... if it hasn't been needed so far, we probably won't need it at the corner of deprecation either | 14:38 |
| mfedosin | mclaren, do you mean showing direct urls? | 14:38 |
| mclaren | showing the location string | 14:38 |
| kairat | mfedosin, and this also, I heard Ceph also need this | 14:38 |
| nikhil | 'locations' is terrible | 14:39 |
| kairat | *this=location_utl | 14:39 |
| mclaren | yeah, cinder probably do stoo | 14:39 |
| nikhil | it can be a confusion hell | 14:39 |
| mclaren | too | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | ok, we need to move on. Sorry for limiting the time on the topic | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | lets follow-up on the spec | 14:39 |
| kairat | ok | 14:39 |
| nikhil | it should be a complete spec | 14:39 |
| nikhil | not a lite one | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | kairat: thanks for the heads up and for putting the spec together | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: agreed | 14:39 |
| nikhil | but thanks kairat for already proposing a review | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | #topic Skip next week's meeting (flaper87) | 14:39 |
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| flaper87 | I'd like to propose skipping next week's meeting | 14:40 |
| nikhil | #vote yes | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:40 |
| nikhil | :P | 14:40 |
| kairat | ) | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | I don't mind if the plane has wifi :P | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | unless someone screams in 3 ... 2... 1... I'll agree this | 14:40 |
| rosmaita | #vote yes | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | an hour of travel time burned some way ;) | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:40 |
| mclaren | #vote yes | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | just pay for the full wifi plan and you're good | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | #agreed Skip next week's meeting October 22nd | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: _if_ it exists | 14:41 |
| mfedosin | I don't care, but skipping something is always a pleasure | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: man, don't get me started on airplane wifis | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:41 |
| jokke_ | :D | 14:41 |
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| flaper87 | moving on | 14:41 |
| flaper87 | #topic Summit agenda (flaper87) http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/glance | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit agenda (flaper87) http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/glance (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:42 | |
| flaper87 | well, that's the agenda! | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | 19min and a lot in the agenda still | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | I'll add trusts to it | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | I created a schedule for the summit based on the topics that were added in the proposals etherpad: | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-glance-summit-topics | 14:42 |
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| flaper87 | At the top of that etherpad, I added the agenda for the summit and, as you probably noticed already, we have 2 free slots. jokke_ mentioned that we could take some time to do a heads up on DefCore in one of our working sessions. I think it'd be useful for the team but I'd also like to encourage everyone to join the cross-project session on this topic: | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | #link http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/402c14d0efed29d1abd21b51f6785762 | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | Anyhow, the link to our schedule is: | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | #link http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/type/glance#.Vh-J4s-1RZI | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | If you have another proposal OR if you have some conflicts in the current schedule, please, let me know and I'll do my best to make you happy. | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | we now have just 1 free slot (trusts took one) | 14:42 |
| mclaren | Are we looking for topics to fill some of the free slots? | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | The free slot could be used to talk about defcore, interop and glance | 14:43 |
| mclaren | I'm not sure, but we could potentially talk about image formats? | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | if there are other proposals we could use that time for it | 14:43 |
| nikhil | flaper87: are you planning to add tags for other projects to some of the topics? | 14:43 |
| mfedosin | or can discuss artifacts twice | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: yes | 14:43 |
| nikhil | cool | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: mind to update the etherpad what you have put on the working sessions | 14:43 |
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| jokke_ | or was it only the first one that had no details | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | the schedule is still a draft since I wanted to know if there were conflicts | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: probably just the first one | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | it was ... sorry, my bad | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | the etherpad should be updated | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | or, almost updated | 14:44 |
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| flaper87 | again, session leaders, check your calendars and make sure there are no conflicts | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | I'll send an email out to the ML | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | but I thought about sharing it here as well | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | thanks to all the session leaders | 14:45 |
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| flaper87 | we <3 y'all | 14:45 |
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| flaper87 | at least I do :) | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | flaper87: the two late sessions on thursday conflict with searchlight | 14:45 |
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| rosmaita | so maybe schedule stuff for people who don't care about searchlight at those times? | 14:46 |
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| flaper87 | rosmaita: yeah, that's unfortunate. Everything conflicts this summit | 14:46 |
| rosmaita | i know, that's the way it goes | 14:46 |
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| jokke_ | priorities ... everyone should know how to prioritize glance ;P | 14:47 |
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| nikhil | :P | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: I'll see what can be done but I kinda think those two should be there because the image import should go after the fishbowl session | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | don't worry | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | and we can't finilize the priorities before we talk about these sessions and other topics | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | I'll take another look there | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | i only want to go to the very last searchlight session at 5:20 | 14:47 |
| nikhil | think like a traveling salesman | 14:48 |
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| rosmaita | so i will be at the image import follow up | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: next topic is yours but I'd like to give time to rosmaita's topic if you don't mind | 14:48 |
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| flaper87 | we can talk about yours if there's more time at the end | 14:48 |
| mfedosin | oh, okay then | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: thanks | 14:48 |
| rosmaita | mine is real quick | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | #topic image import spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232371/ (rosmaita) - | 14:49 |
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| flaper87 | rosmaita: shoot | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | i'm thinking of doing a quick revision to handle the smaller points that have come up and put in some "note" for the topics that still require discussion, but a new patch set hides the inline comments ... any advice? | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | probably aimed mostly at people who have added comments already | 14:49 |
| rosmaita | there are also a lot in the regular comments section, so those won't be hidden | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | mmh, if the new PS is a must then do it, we can always go bac in history | 14:49 |
| nikhil | works for me, I still have them pending in draft :P | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | not in time, which is unfortunate | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: go for it ... the comments will show up on the previous PS anyways ... make a note that people should read them before commenting the new version (as it won't be last anyways) | 14:50 |
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| flaper87 | what normally happens is that people keep discussing in older PS until the discussion is over | 14:50 |
| nikhil | I don't mind porting the comments as the new PS seems vital | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | which it never is but I digress | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | ok, sounds like new PS is OK then | 14:50 |
| mclaren | rosmaita: I think we'll probably need a couple more revisions anyway | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: go go go go! | 14:50 |
| rosmaita | i'll work onthat righrt away and then we can send out to the ML for more comments | 14:51 |
| mclaren | cool | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: awesome, looking forward to that | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: I think it's better to get the annoyances away so folks can focus on the bikeshedding :P | 14:51 |
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| rosmaita | jokke_: ++ | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: bike what? there's no such thing | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: although, I'd rather call it something else | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: I can introduce :P | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | I mean, bikeshedding is not descriptive enough | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:52 |
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| flaper87 | ok | 14:52 |
| * jokke_ puts the Internet Troll hat on before reviewing | 14:52 | |
| flaper87 | #topic Schema validation for 'image-list' in glanceclient (mfedosin) | 14:52 |
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| flaper87 | mfedosin: 5 mins so we can have open discussion (sorry for the timebox) | 14:52 |
| mfedosin | I've got one question | 14:52 |
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| mfedosin | some time ago we removed schema validation from image-list | 14:53 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211086/ | 14:53 |
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| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211086/ | 14:53 |
| mfedosin | do we need it back as an optional feature? | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | can we just work towards removing fully validating the server responses? | 14:53 |
| kairat | jokke_, ++ | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: ++ | 14:54 |
| nikhil | it should be either there or not, I don't see the value for it to be optional | 14:54 |
| kairat | but it changes our client | 14:54 |
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| flaper87 | that was my recommendation as well | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | we shouldn't have it there. If there's a good use-case for it I'm all ears | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | we can do gating tests that validates the server responses against schema, but we don't need to gate it on every client run | 14:54 |
| nikhil | so, scrolling back some history pages | 14:54 |
| mclaren | the only thing I could think of was admin use, but I'm not sure how strong a case that is | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | but what about just 'get' a single image? | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | do we need it here? | 14:55 |
| nikhil | it was introduced so that people can know that the image records they are getting back are consistent with what the clouds says they should be | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: I'd say no | 14:55 |
| nikhil | and for cases when changes happen to images, they can be picked rather quickly | 14:55 |
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| nikhil | if the image-meta remains in such a fluid state and constrained by policy, then the user can't know what to expect at a given point of time | 14:56 |
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| mfedosin | so, the final decision - we don't introduce optional feature for that :) | 14:56 |
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| nikhil | as the time bound expectation is rather dagenrous | 14:56 |
| mfedosin | am I right? | 14:56 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: I'm happy to review any such proposals :P | 14:57 |
| nikhil | SO, I think it | 14:57 |
| nikhil | it is important | 14:57 |
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| mclaren | nikhil: as an option or always on? | 14:57 |
| nikhil | always on | 14:57 |
| nikhil | mclaren: but | 14:57 |
| kairat | nikhil, but we have cases when validation can fail | 14:57 |
| kairat | for example you changes list of supported images | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | well we have had so far nothing but problems from it | 14:57 |
| kairat | and one of formats were deleted | 14:58 |
| mclaren | nikhil: not practical -- v1 can create images which don't comply with v2 validation | 14:58 |
| nikhil | I'd love to hear examples | 14:58 |
| nikhil | mclaren: ^ | 14:58 |
| mclaren | check the client bugs :-) | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | as said I'd be pro gating schema validations but it does not belong to our client | 14:58 |
| flaper87 | there have been cases, fwiw | 14:58 |
| mfedosin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+bug/1477910 | 14:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477910 in python-glanceclient kilo "A user can prevent another user listing images via v2 (in certain cases)" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Stuart McLaren (stuart-mclaren) | 14:58 |
| kairat | also we can't location when show_multiple_locations is false because of this | 14:58 |
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| kairat | *can't add/delete | 14:59 |
| kairat | It just fails on client but server works correctly | 14:59 |
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| mclaren | there have been about 5 or 6 bugs I'm aware of with validation the cause | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | that said, I think we need to think this through. For example, I don't think v2 should return images that are not v2 compliant | 14:59 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil: good example was the schema change that warranted RC2 (I think) | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | even if the image was created using v1 | 14:59 |
| nikhil | flaper87: agreed | 14:59 |
| mclaren | ? | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | just a bug that blew our client without real reason | 14:59 |
| nikhil | and we would have never caught it if not for validation jokke_ :) | 15:00 |
| nikhil | it's a catch 22 | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | ok folks, we're almost out of time | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | i agree with jokke_ that the place to verify compliance is the gate | 15:00 |
| nikhil | mclaren: flaper87: how about opening a new official tag that lists such cases and we can discuss on those bugs there? | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | nikhil: that's why I'm proposing gating those schemas, not blowing our client on them | 15:00 |
| mclaren | from a users point of view if the image is usable via v1 then v2 is broken if they can't use the same image | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | I'd like this discussion to move forward a bit more before creating a new tag | 15:00 |
| mclaren | nikhil: there was a mail on the mailing list from Jay Pipes recommending it gets switched off (fwiw) | 15:00 |
| nikhil | may be it should be a post-list process on client | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | There's a bug for client validation, lets talk there | 15:01 |
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| flaper87 | or just create a new thread on the mailing list | 15:01 |
| mfedosin | flaper87, I'll write a message there | 15:01 |
| mfedosin | in mailing list | 15:01 |
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| rosmaita | or discuss at next week's meeting :) | 15:01 |
| nikhil | mclaren: I will look it up . thanks for the pointer. | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: thanks | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | LOL | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | ok, time's up! | 15:01 |
| mfedosin | rosmaita, which is skipped | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | thanks everyone | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| mfedosin | thanks folks | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 15:01:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-10-15-14.01.html | 15:01 |
| mclaren | thanks! | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-10-15-14.01.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-10-15-14.01.log.html | 15:01 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 15:02 |
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| nikhil | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 15:03:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:03 |
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| nikhil | Courtesy Searchlight meeting reminder in #openstack-meeting-4: lakshmiS, mclaren, nikhil_k, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, TravT, krykowski, david-lyle, wokuma, kragniz, sjmc7, ekarlso, abhijeetm, itisha | 15:03 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 15:03 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:03 |
| lakshmiS_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| nikhil | #topic agenda | 15:03 |
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| nikhil | hello everyone! | 15:03 |
| sjmc7 | hi! | 15:04 |
| lakshmiS_ | hey | 15:04 |
| nikhil | we've no set agenda today. so it's just us celebrating the first release!!!!!!! | 15:04 |
| nikhil | yayayayayayyay~ | 15:04 |
| lakshmiS_ | so RC3 i guess by now | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | yay! | 15:04 |
| sjmc7 | i think travis tagged it final | 15:04 |
| lakshmiS_ | ok | 15:05 |
| nikhil | yeah, we're pretty much beyond the release schedule now :) | 15:05 |
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| nikhil | #topic Tokyo summit | 15:06 |
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| sjmc7 | also, for those attending the summit, we've two sessions on thursday evening - http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/type/searchlight#.Vh_AzhCrQxM | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | that was spooky | 15:06 |
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| nikhil | #link http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/type/SearchLight#.Vh_A7aJan9t | 15:06 |
| nikhil | sjmc7: :) | 15:06 |
| nikhil | THanks to Travis, the schedule it up there. | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | for the first one, the fishbowl, it would be good to get reps from any services we're interested in courting | 15:07 |
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| sjmc7 | swift and nova especially would be useful | 15:07 |
| nikhil | the prioritization session is tagged with ops | 15:07 |
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| sjmc7 | probably glance for artifacts | 15:07 |
| lakshmiS_ | is there a conflict of time with glance session around that time | 15:08 |
| nikhil | sjmc7: if there is a way to get in touch with Travis today or so, we should consider adding nova and glance tag to that one.. | 15:08 |
| nikhil | may be swift too | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | he wasn't sure whether it was considered rude to do that | 15:08 |
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| nikhil | lakshmiS_: yes, the glance session is about image import refactor as a follow up of the fishbowl | 15:08 |
| nikhil | sjmc7: yeah, we may have to ask the PTLs it they think it's okay.. | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | other option is to send something on their mailing lists or irc meetings next week | 15:09 |
| nikhil | true | 15:09 |
| rosmaita | yeah, so i will prob miss the first session, will def be at the second though | 15:09 |
| nikhil | nova folks are likely to be at the glance session then | 15:09 |
| nikhil | so, it might be worth reaching out to a liaison or the ptl | 15:09 |
| nikhil | so that we at least someone from nova that can take notes back | 15:10 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, the timing's unfortunate | 15:11 |
| nikhil | that reminds me, we should discuss putting names up on the liaisons page so that people know whom to reach out. Travis will most likely be most of them :) but still good to show up on the wiki. | 15:11 |
| sjmc7 | since he's not here to argue, i'm ok with that :) | 15:11 |
| lakshmiS_ | do you know of any pre-summit session on nova, swift or neutron in next week | 15:11 |
| nikhil | :) | 15:11 |
| rosmaita | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 15:11 |
| nikhil | thanks rosmaita | 15:12 |
| nikhil | lakshmiS_: I am not aware. | 15:12 |
| nikhil | lakshmiS_: although, the public facing nova meetups usually are well publicized on the ML, eventbrite etc | 15:13 |
| nikhil | same with swift, from what I recollect | 15:13 |
| nikhil | I see the work session is listed as cross project with Horizon. Not sure if we have more to add here david-lyle :) | 15:14 |
| david-lyle | no, not really :P | 15:14 |
| nikhil | :) | 15:15 |
| david-lyle | wait the Horizon working session? | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | no | 15:15 |
| nikhil | david-lyle: no, the SL one tagged with horizon | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | the SL one | 15:15 |
| nikhil | :) | 15:15 |
| david-lyle | oh, I see the little tag now | 15:15 |
| nikhil | sjmc7: we're interleaved at the same wave-length today | 15:16 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, we need to stop that | 15:16 |
| david-lyle | probably just helping define the use cases | 15:16 |
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| nikhil | I see | 15:16 |
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| nikhil | #topic pre-summit prep | 15:18 |
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| nikhil | DO we have any pending reviews or BPs / bugs that we should discuss prior to the summit? | 15:18 |
| nikhil | or send an email to ML to get people attn? | 15:18 |
| lakshmiS | not for this release but still https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221307/19 needs your review | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | i'm going to put a few BPs up beforehand. i'll send a mail maybe on monday | 15:19 |
| lakshmiS | nikhil: I think the patch has nice traction. just has to push it with final changes based on your findings | 15:20 |
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| nikhil | oh yes, thanks for the reminder lakshmiS. I need to get to that ASAP.. | 15:20 |
| nikhil | will get to that today | 15:21 |
| nikhil | thanks sjmc7. looking forward to them.. | 15:21 |
| lakshmiS | nikhil: thanks | 15:21 |
| nikhil | #topic open discussion | 15:21 |
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| lakshmiS | I was going to take a look at swift bp and get some basic patch landed if possible before summit | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | which one? | 15:22 |
| lakshmiS | swift plugin | 15:22 |
| sjmc7 | without notifications we're a bit limited | 15:23 |
| sjmc7 | which is one reason we need to talk to them at the summit | 15:23 |
| lakshmiS | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/swift-plugin | 15:23 |
| lakshmiS | yes but we will have something to refer to | 15:24 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, it's a good idea to know what we want. i have some homework for the nova plugin too | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | i guess it's a short meeting this week | 15:24 |
| nikhil | I sent an email introducing seachlight as a new project to the outreachy list. | 15:25 |
| nikhil | the subject is | 15:26 |
| nikhil | [Outreachy] [INTRODUCTION] Another project. | 15:26 |
| lakshmiS | great | 15:26 |
| nikhil | will look up the link and share with you all. | 15:26 |
| nikhil | Also, should we skip next week's meeting? | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | let's decide next week | 15:27 |
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| sjmc7 | there imght be some pre-summit stuff | 15:27 |
| lakshmiS | yup based on what we have | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | unless everybody's already left by then | 15:27 |
| nikhil | sure, see if something shows up on the agenda. | 15:27 |
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| nikhil | THat was it from me. | 15:28 |
| nikhil | If nothing else.. | 15:28 |
| nikhil | thanks all for joining. | 15:28 |
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| lakshmiS | thanks | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | that was painless | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 15:28 |
| nikhil | cya | 15:28 |
| lakshmiS | :) | 15:28 |
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| nikhil | #endmeeting | 15:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 15:28:42 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-10-15-15.03.html | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-10-15-15.03.txt | 15:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-10-15-15.03.log.html | 15:28 |
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| odyssey4me | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 16:01:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is odyssey4me. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Ansible Meeting)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | yo | 16:01 |
| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 16:01 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yo, again | 16:02 |
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| prometheanfire | o/ | 16:02 |
| palendae | 'lo | 16:03 |
| b3rnard0 | hola | 16:03 |
| odyssey4me | howdy all | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | shall we get on it, or are we waiting for anyone else | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull has sent apologies as he's not feeling well at all | 16:04 |
| jasondotstar | o/ | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-10-08-16.00.html | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | odyssey4me verify master has fix commited and change status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/trunk/+bug/1482756 | 16:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1482756 in openstack-ansible trunk "networking fails due to new ebtables-based arp spoofing protection" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Jesse Pretorius (jesse-pretorius) | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | that is done | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | the one final piece is https://review.openstack.org/234926 | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | which is really just an update for neutron which allows Liberty's config to use the upstream default | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | next: mhayden update https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1491440 with current status | 16:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491440 in openstack-ansible trunk "Restarting containers leads to 'dangling' veth interfaces" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Major Hayden (rackerhacker) | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | mhayden what's up with that? ;) | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | odyssey4me: in that neutron arp thing, did you add the ml2 extension? | 16:07 |
| Apsu | Netlink is hard. | 16:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | or plan to... | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am there is no need - the config template capability allows the deployer to set whatever they want | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | so the approach for Liberty+ is to use upstream defaults and deployers can override anything in any conf | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | in liberty, if you default to enabling arp spoof protection, you should also by default enable the port_security extension | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | never trust defaults in neutron config files, they're terrible | 16:09 |
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| odyssey4me | Sam-I-Am if that is done by default upstream, then it is how it will be for us | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | we don't use the config files - we rely on the code defaults | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | mhayden you around? | 16:09 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, that action item will have to carry | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | #action mhayden update https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1491440 with current status | 16:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491440 in openstack-ansible trunk "Restarting containers leads to 'dangling' veth interfaces" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Major Hayden (rackerhacker) | 16:10 |
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| odyssey4me | next: jasondotstar work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bug/1469868 | 16:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1469868 in openstack-ansible "OpenStack Ansible Does Not Ship Glance Metadata Definitions" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 16:10 |
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| odyssey4me | I see that this just came up in the channel | 16:11 |
| jasondotstar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235425/ is under review - got some comments | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://review.openstack.org/235425 | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | and I see that sigmavirus24 has already provided feedback | 16:11 |
| jasondotstar | I'll make the adjustments accordingly | 16:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks jasondotstar | 16:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | You'll probably want with_items to make sure you find all locations =P | 16:11 |
| jasondotstar | sigmavirus24: +1 | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | thanks for tackling that jasondotstar | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | ++ | 16:12 |
| jasondotstar | np, first one for the ansible team | 16:12 |
| jasondotstar | :-) | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | alright, next | 16:12 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Liberty Release Blueprints | 16:12 |
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| odyssey4me | there are still some WIP as shown in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | as with the venv reviews | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | I'm hoping that we can get them finalised and merged by next week so that we can let it bake for a week before we release, which is planned for Firday. | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | *Friday | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | any questions or comments? | 16:14 |
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| odyssey4me | Note that the venv reviews are also a deliberable for the Liberty release. | 16:14 |
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| palendae | When is upstream's Libety release? | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | today | 16:17 |
| palendae | Ah | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | #topic Mitaka Agenda | 16:18 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-mitaka-summit | 16:18 |
| odyssey4me | so, we have two fishbowl sessions | 16:18 |
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| odyssey4me | one is http://sched.co/4Qed and the other is http://sched.co/4QbH | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | fishbowl sessions are named on the summit agenda and large rooms | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | we have several proposals in the etherpad | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | I'd like some input on which proposals are considered most important for a large public audience? | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | whether already proposed, or not | 16:20 |
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| palendae | I know the image-based deployment options have been coming up a lot internally | 16:21 |
| palendae | Probably worth exploring | 16:21 |
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| odyssey4me | I'd like to make a call, then send out ML announcements with the etherpad links | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | I do agree that image-based deployments would be great to discuss. palendae are you still keen to moderate that? | 16:23 |
| palendae | Sure; I don't really have an opinion myself, but I'd like to hear ideas | 16:23 |
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| palendae | I think the kolla team has insights to share | 16:23 |
| odyssey4me | sure, I'm sure that many people do | 16:24 |
| prometheanfire | they said they wanted to join my session but claim scheduling conflicts | 16:25 |
| palendae | I think cloudnull, who's not here, had a few ideas from our side, but I think it's of general concern to operators | 16:25 |
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| odyssey4me | as moderator you'll need to prep with probing questions, some analysis of stuff you can find and will have to be clear about what outcome you want to see | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, cloudnull has already done some PoC work - and mhayden has some insights too | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | I've done a little testing too | 16:26 |
| palendae | Alright, I can draft some questions. Is that etherpad a good place for now? | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | ok cool, so we'll announce that as one | 16:26 |
| palendae | Or does that get on the official docs? | 16:26 |
| palendae | Er, official schedule | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | I'll setup etherpads for these two sessions straight after the meeting | 16:26 |
| palendae | Ok | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | and yes, it'll be very widely published | 16:26 |
| palendae | The questions? | 16:27 |
| palendae | Or the title? | 16:27 |
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| odyssey4me | the etherpad we use for that session - I'll setup one up, then rely on you to put a skeleton of some sort together on it | 16:27 |
| palendae | Sure | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | I want to send it out to the ML next week monday at the latest | 16:28 |
| palendae | Ok | 16:28 |
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| odyssey4me | that way people can already pose questions and notes | 16:28 |
| palendae | Yep, fair | 16:28 |
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| odyssey4me | For the other session I'd like to invite feedback from anyone on how we're doing... but that seems a bit naf | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | So perhaps we should do a session on enabling multi OS support for openstack-ansible? | 16:29 |
| palendae | That sounds like a good one | 16:30 |
| stevelle | that seems like fit for a work session maybe | 16:30 |
| stevelle | I am not sure if that benefits from fishbowl but | 16:30 |
| stevelle | I don't really know, to say that again | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, I think it's been a broad interest and may bring in some fresh faces | 16:31 |
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| odyssey4me | then for the workroom slot, perhaps we should buckle down and discuss our lessons learned and how we can do better | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | how does that sound? | 16:32 |
| stevelle | I was drawn to the idea of revisiting dynamic inventory | 16:32 |
| odyssey4me | hmm, another option I just realised for the fishbowl session is to talk about upgrades | 16:33 |
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| odyssey4me | it'd be great to get a broad set of feedback for handling upgrades properly | 16:33 |
| palendae | I know someone from CERN mentioned they wanted to talk about how they upgrade to every openstack release | 16:34 |
| palendae | I want to ask them how they do that without disrupting business | 16:34 |
| palendae | Or "work" | 16:34 |
| palendae | Not sure if that's generally applicable or not. prometheanfire were you doing operator sessions? | 16:35 |
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| palendae | That audience would probably be interested | 16:35 |
| prometheanfire | yes | 16:35 |
| prometheanfire | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-infrastructure-containers | 16:36 |
| prometheanfire | it's wednesday from 11:15 to 11:55 | 16:36 |
| palendae | Thanks | 16:36 |
| prometheanfire | there are also other upgrades talks | 16:37 |
| prometheanfire | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-upgrades | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | that's before our session - so it may be good to attend that, then come armed with that info for a discussion? | 16:37 |
| prometheanfire | yes? | 16:37 |
| prometheanfire | that a question? | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | yeah - I'm suggesting that perhaps we make or second fishbowl session (3:40 pm on wed) a workshop on upgrades | 16:38 |
| prometheanfire | that sounds good | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | so the first one (at 2:50pm will be about image-based deployment) | 16:38 |
| palendae | Ok | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | do we think those two topics are of a broad interest and useful to the project? | 16:38 |
| palendae | I believe so | 16:39 |
| palendae | Would like other opinions | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | great! | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | ok, then the work session at 5:30pm... | 16:40 |
| palendae | Wonder if they have any documentaton on what video hook ups the rooms have | 16:40 |
| prometheanfire | I'm gonna scope out at least my room before :P | 16:40 |
| palendae | Yeah, I'd kind of like to know now, since I'm still waffling on what devices to take | 16:40 |
| palendae | But that's a tangent | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | perhaps for the workroom slot we should take a look at dynamic inventory | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | it seems to be the greatest cause for confusion when new users are configuring OSA | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | and for developers trying to add functionality | 16:42 |
| palendae | Do we want to discuss the Ansible community day at all? | 16:43 |
| palendae | I think that's Tuesday? | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | I'd like to also do a sprint where we go through a role analysis and see how we can simplify how we build roles and set an improved pattern. | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | Ansible community day is Thu | 16:43 |
| palendae | Ok | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ansible-collabday-mitaka-planning | 16:43 |
| palendae | I know there were some topics like what needs to happen to move to Ansible 2.0 | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | that's pretty much Ansible's gig - our attendance will be to listen mostly | 16:45 |
| palendae | Sure | 16:45 |
| palendae | More looking for things we might pitch as discussion topics | 16:45 |
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| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to setup summit etherpads | 16:46 |
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| odyssey4me | #action palendae to populate the Image-based deployments etherpad | 16:46 |
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| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to populate the upgrade session etherpad | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | #action odyssey4me to send ML announcements for the summit etherpads | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | am I missing anything? | 16:47 |
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| odyssey4me | #topic Open discussion | 16:49 |
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| odyssey4me | alright - is there anything else anyone wants to discuss, highlight or dance a jig about? | 16:49 |
| stevelle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226621/ | 16:50 |
| stevelle | I want to highlight this for discussion | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | sure, go ahead | 16:50 |
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| stevelle | This is something that would be a fairly significant change to juno, and I wanted to recruit opinions in the form of reviews. | 16:51 |
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| odyssey4me | yeah, I'm not fond of the idea of that much change going into juno - that said it is simply an enabler and if enough people confirm that it doesn't break anything to merge it in, then I don't mind | 16:53 |
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| odyssey4me | my primary concern is not whether it does what it wants to do (ie if you enable https then it actually sets the endpoints, etc) | 16:53 |
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| odyssey4me | my primary concern is whether it breaks anything if you don't | 16:53 |
| odyssey4me | from the gate check it appears not, but it definitely needs more actual testers as the juno testing is not as thorough as kilo+ | 16:54 |
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| odyssey4me | any other opinions/views? | 16:56 |
| palendae | I tested patchset 1, and got expected endpoints when not enabling it | 16:57 |
| stevelle | If you don't have something to add right now but you can take a bit of time to consider it, please do this week. | 16:57 |
| palendae | But that's been a while | 16:57 |
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| odyssey4me | ok, thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
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| odyssey4me | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 17:00:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-10-15-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-10-15-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-10-15-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 15 17:02:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| Swami | hi | 17:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:02 |
| johnsom | o/ | 17:02 |
| vikram_ | hi | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:02 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:02 |
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| s3wong | hello | 17:02 |
| mohankumar | hi | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | any topic you would like to discuss today? | 17:03 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: I have few questions | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | One topic we need to discuss is how to ensure new update of the patches do not break the functionality, how to enforce running of the UT scripts. what do you think? | 17:04 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: sure, go ahead | 17:04 |
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| vikram_ | cathy_: want to discuss about a comment received for the CLI patch | 17:04 |
| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210008/ | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | #topic discuss about a comment received for the CLI patch | 17:05 |
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| cathy_ | let me take a look at the comment. | 17:05 |
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| cathy_ | vikram_: which one? | 17:06 |
| vikram_ | Do we need to support empty flow_classifier list for port-chain update | 17:06 |
| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210008/14/networking_sfc/cli/port_chain.py | 17:06 |
| vikram_ | L108 | 17:06 |
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| vikram_ | if yes then we need to have a separate cli option for this | 17:07 |
| vikram_ | may be --no-flow-classifier | 17:07 |
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| LouisF | hi | 17:07 |
| vikram_ | hi LouisF | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: hi | 17:07 |
| vikram_ | what everyone thinks about this? | 17:08 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: ping | 17:08 |
| amotoki | hi | 17:08 |
| -amotoki- scrolling back the meeting log in a browser. | 17:08 | |
| vikram_ | amotoki: I think you are aware about --no-flow-classifier discussion | 17:08 |
| amotoki | vikram_: yes | 17:09 |
| johnsom | I think the option to not have a flow classifier is good. | 17:09 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: I am discussing the same with the team | 17:09 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: hi | 17:09 |
| vikram_ | My first question is do we need to support it? | 17:10 |
| amotoki | Honestly I am not sure there is a case where we need to set flow-classifiers to [] | 17:10 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: johnsom we allow no specification of FC when creating SC. I am still going through the comment. vikram_ could you clarify the question? | 17:10 |
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| s3wong | vikram_: that's my question too... a chain with all Neutron ports specified already but without classifier... how does that work? | 17:11 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: The doubt is about updating Portchain information with empty FC list | 17:11 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: later the user can add dynamically add more FC to the chain or remove some flow from a chain | 17:11 |
| johnsom | So it's a convenience option we are talking about | 17:11 |
| amotoki | IMO it is better to provide a way to specify [] in general, as I stated in the review comment. | 17:11 |
| amotoki | one question: do we need to specify FC when creating a port-chain? | 17:11 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: no | 17:12 |
| LouisF | amotoki: no | 17:12 |
| vikram_ | s3wong: agreed.. I am just wanted to confirm whether we should support empty FC list in either create or update? | 17:12 |
| amotoki | it means we allow empty flow classifiers for port-chain. | 17:12 |
| Swami | I thought the FC is required for the port-chain to work | 17:12 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: +1 | 17:12 |
| s3wong | Swami: as do I... | 17:12 |
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| Swami | Is FC not a requirement for port-chaining. | 17:13 |
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| vikram_ | Swami: I am with Swami.. I also fell we can madate this option | 17:13 |
| vikram_ | *feel | 17:13 |
| amotoki | In my understanding, if FC is not specified, it matches all traffic from a neutron port. | 17:13 |
| Swami | Because if we pass an empty classifier does it mean don't check the flow. | 17:13 |
| LouisF | Swami: that is correct no traffic will enter the chain unless a FC is specified | 17:13 |
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| vikram_ | LouisF: Is FC a mandatory param?/ | 17:14 |
| LouisF | it may be convenient to configure the port chain and then add FCs as needed | 17:14 |
| amotoki | LouisF: my understanding looks wrong according to your comment above. | 17:14 |
| LouisF | vikram_: no | 17:14 |
| amotoki | LouisF: right? | 17:14 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: so in essence it is staging the port-chain, but basically not officially "deploying" the chain? | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: if no FC is specified, then no flow will enter the chain | 17:14 |
| LouisF | s3wong: correct | 17:14 |
| Swami | I would say that a valid entry in the FC is required for the port-chain to work. But we can make the FC to be updatable. | 17:15 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: yes | 17:15 |
| vikram_ | Swami: +1 | 17:15 |
| amotoki | cathy_: thanks. no traffic matches to empty FC, so no traffic enters such chain. got it. | 17:15 |
| LouisF | Swami: -1 | 17:15 |
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| Swami | LouisF: what is your concern. | 17:15 |
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| LouisF | Swami: as i stated, it is question of staging the PC, it may initially be configured with no FC and then the FCs are added as necessary | 17:16 |
| mohankumar | cathy: then we need to make FC as mandatory param | 17:16 |
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| Swami | LouisF: So my question is do you even want the agent to work on a port-chain configuration if there is no FC. | 17:17 |
| amotoki | one possible use case is to disable a port-chain temporarily or conditionally. | 17:17 |
| vikram_ | LouisF: Anyways no point having a PC without a FC | 17:17 |
| LouisF | Swami: so my argument is that FCs are not mandatory | 17:17 |
| vikram_ | LouisF: Then why we should allow such conf | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | Swami: there could be scenario that during some time period, no flow will go through a chain and then later some flows are added to the chain. This will avoid removing chain and then creating chain frequently. | 17:17 |
| amotoki | or enable port-chain conditionally. | 17:17 |
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| Swami | cathy_: My point is if you don't have a valid FC, why do we even need the chain setup to be there. | 17:18 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: yes, no FC for a chain at that time means the chain is disabled or not used temporarily | 17:18 |
| LouisF | Swami: operationally a PC can be created initially with no FCs: it is essentially dormant until FCs are added | 17:19 |
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| Swami | The problem with this you might be stressing the rpc a lot with the agent changes. If everything is in place, it will be single shot. | 17:19 |
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| LouisF | this provides the flexibility of doing this | 17:19 |
| amotoki | Swami: a usecase in my mind is that we setup a port-chain first with no associated flow and then add flow(s) depending on a situation. | 17:19 |
| LouisF | amotoki: agree | 17:19 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: IMO, user must have a usecase in mind before creating a PC | 17:20 |
| Swami | So in this case do you expect all packets to flow through the chain or no packets to flow through the chain until there is an FC. | 17:20 |
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| vikram_ | amotoki: Why to have the overhead.. | 17:20 |
| LouisF | amotoki: this allows for that use case to work | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | Swami: I understand your point. but the purpose is for handling the scenario that no flow goes through the chain temporarily and we do no need to end up deleting a chain and then recreating the same chain | 17:20 |
| cathy_ | Swami: the latter | 17:20 |
| Swami | cathy_: thanks | 17:21 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: but how frequent this can happen | 17:21 |
| cathy_ | Swami: no packets to flow through the chain until there is an FC. | 17:21 |
| amotoki | vikram_: agree in general and it is typical cases I think. | 17:21 |
| amotoki | vikram_: I just imagine possible use cases. | 17:21 |
| Swami | cathy_: If no packets flwo through the chain, then it's ok | 17:21 |
| Swami | s/flwo/flow | 17:22 |
| vikram_ | if everyone okay then I have no issues | 17:22 |
| vikram_ | Now coming to next question how to specify an empty FC list in update cli | 17:22 |
| amotoki | my impression is if we don't have a reason to disallow empty flow-classifier for port-chain, it looks better to allow empty FC. | 17:22 |
| Swami | cathy_: the only concern that i have is in large scale deployment if you have too many requests coming in with chain creation and then with FC addition, it would cause some timing issues. | 17:23 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: agreed | 17:23 |
| Swami | cathy_: if we are ready to deal with those scenarios, then it is ok. | 17:23 |
| cathy_ | it could happen. for example, a chain consists of a FW. And there is a Flow associated with the chain. Then after some check passes, the remaining packets of the flow do not need to go through this FW chain. Then another new tenant's flow comes and might need to go through this chain. Or this previous flow sees some security issue and then needs to go through this fW chain again. | 17:23 |
| amotoki | Swami: API concept and acutla behaviors are different things. | 17:23 |
| amotoki | API concent should work for all cases. | 17:24 |
| amotoki | how to deal with racing conditions is a different topic. | 17:24 |
| Swami | amotoki: agreed, but I am talking about the action taken based on the API | 17:24 |
| cathy_ | so there will be some period that the chain is not associated with any flow | 17:24 |
| vikram_ | How to specify an empty FC list in update cli? Currently it's unaddressed... | 17:24 |
| cathy_ | Swami: it is all up to the user. If the user knows that some flows need to go through a chain then he should create the chain with FCs. | 17:25 |
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| Swami | cathy_: agreed valid point. | 17:25 |
| LouisF | amotoki: so you are suggesting the explicit use of the --no-flow-classifier option on a port-chain-update to remove all FCs from a PC? | 17:26 |
| vikram_ | cathy_:agreed | 17:26 |
| LouisF | in the CLI command that is | 17:26 |
| amotoki | LouisF: yes. it is my thought. | 17:27 |
| LouisF | amotoki: i this is a clean way of doing it - what do others think? | 17:28 |
| vikram_ | +1 for no-flow-classifier | 17:28 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: so if we allow explicit use of --no-flow-classifier option on a port-chain-update, should we allow the explicit use on port-chain-create? | 17:28 |
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| vikram_ | cathy_: No need | 17:29 |
| LouisF | amotoki: as you mention in your comments there is precedent for using that approach elsewahere in neutron - correct? | 17:29 |
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| amotoki | cathy_: there is no good guidline at now, but it can be supported for consistency. | 17:29 |
| amotoki | LouisF: yes. | 17:29 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: vikram_ yes, I think it is better to be consistent. thanks. | 17:29 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: FC is not a mandate param for create operation.. user can just keep it empty | 17:29 |
| LouisF | cathy_: agree no neew | 17:30 |
| LouisF | need | 17:30 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: I am thinking about consistency | 17:30 |
| amotoki | LouisF: AFAIK, FWaaS CLI adopts a bit different way, but others have similar options. | 17:30 |
| vikram_ | to me it's confusing | 17:30 |
| vikram_ | more options always create confusion | 17:30 |
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| cathy_ | vikram_: LouisF I think similar option in create and update will be good | 17:30 |
| LouisF | cathy_: means that the user has to do that on every port-chain-create | 17:30 |
| LouisF | with no FC | 17:31 |
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| amotoki | cathy_: at the moment, there are many inconsistency in neutronclient options. If a default value is empty, most sub commands do not provide --no-xxx option but it can be improved. | 17:31 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: It is just whether we would like to make it explicit in create port chain similar to update port chain | 17:31 |
| LouisF | i'm open to leave it for consensus | 17:32 |
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| cathy_ | I am open too although personally I like consistency | 17:32 |
| LouisF | shall we vote? | 17:32 |
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| vikram_ | I would like it for update only.. | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | LouisF: yes | 17:33 |
| LouisF | +1 | 17:33 |
| vikram_ | +1 for update only.. | 17:33 |
| amotoki | +1 for update, either ok for create. | 17:33 |
| LouisF | +1 on that is my preference | 17:33 |
| amotoki | LouisF: what does "that' mean? | 17:34 |
| LouisF | amotoki: only on port-chain-update | 17:34 |
| johnsom | Yeah, a summary of the vote would be handy | 17:34 |
| mohankumar | +1 for update only | 17:34 |
| amotoki | LouisF: thanks | 17:34 |
| cathy_ | mohankumar: Swami s3wong johnsom ? | 17:34 |
| Swami | cathy_:hi | 17:34 |
| cathy_ | vote? | 17:35 |
| mohankumar | cathy_: voted for "update only" | 17:35 |
| s3wong | +1 for update only | 17:35 |
| Swami | I am ok with the proposal +1 | 17:35 |
| johnsom | +1 | 17:35 |
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| cathy_ | #agreed we will add no flow classifier to the port chain update | 17:35 |
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| vikram_ | cathy_: I have one more question.. | 17:36 |
| vikram_ | can I put it forward | 17:36 |
| cathy_ | #agreed we will still allow the case of a chain with no FC | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: sure | 17:37 |
| vikram_ | I can find that there are no FC related interfaces in the drivers base class? | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: what do you mean? could you clarify? | 17:38 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: 1 sec.. let me collect | 17:38 |
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| vikram_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227100/16/networking_sfc/services/portchain/drivers/driver_base.py | 17:38 |
| vikram_ | class PortChainAbstractDriver(object): | 17:39 |
| LouisF | vikram_: you mentioned that you would likely need those FC related interfaces for the onos driver - right? | 17:39 |
| vikram_ | LouisF: Yes | 17:39 |
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| vikram_ | My intention is we need to be generic | 17:39 |
| LouisF | vikram_: so your idea is to add them in that file or in a separate file? | 17:40 |
| vikram_ | LouisF: same file | 17:40 |
| vikram_ | IMO, we can expose them to the driver and driver may or may not implement those.. | 17:40 |
| LouisF | vikram_: should be ok - anyone else? | 17:40 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: +1 | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: I thought we have added them. | 17:41 |
| LouisF | vikram_: can you go ahead and add the needed FC related interfaces | 17:41 |
| vikram_ | Will do that | 17:41 |
| LouisF | vikram_: thanks | 17:41 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: great thanks | 17:42 |
| amotoki | vikram_: does it lead to different behavior per driver? or can users get consistent behavior regardless of drivers? | 17:42 |
| s3wong | Yep, that sounds good. Make our driver APIs more usable for various SDN controller solutions | 17:42 |
| LouisF | s3wong: +1 | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: user should get consistent behavior regardless of drivers | 17:42 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: End result would be same | 17:42 |
| LouisF | amotoki: +1 | 17:42 |
| vikram_ | I am done.. | 17:43 |
| vikram_ | I think amotoki has some idea about the plugin framework | 17:43 |
| amotoki | vikram_: cathy_: good. we are all in the same page :) | 17:43 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: Yes, that is a must :-) | 17:43 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: would you like to discuss it? | 17:43 |
| s3wong | amotoki: I think it should be fine... in essence we are giving the driver a flow programming interface which should map directly to OpenFlow like constructs | 17:43 |
| cathy_ | #topic plugin framework | 17:44 |
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| amotoki | vikram_ seems to try to move new topic | 17:44 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: would you like to discuss the plugin framework? | 17:45 |
| amotoki | in the last meeting, we discussed how many service plugins we should have. | 17:45 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: thanks for moving the topic | 17:45 |
| cathy_ | vikram_: sure | 17:45 |
| amotoki | I think the general consensus was one. | 17:45 |
| s3wong | amotoki: I think that is the topic vikram_ wants to move to, and you get the ball :-) | 17:45 |
| amotoki | :) | 17:45 |
| mohankumar | :) | 17:46 |
| amotoki | what in my mind is to have one service plugin for 'sfc' and it loads all required extensions. | 17:46 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: I am with you ;) | 17:46 |
| Swami | +1 | 17:46 |
| amotoki | our concern is how we can migrate to a generic flow classifier extension once it lands. | 17:46 |
| amotoki | as far as I gathered, it is the only reason we have two service plugins. | 17:47 |
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| amotoki | is it correct? | 17:47 |
| vikram_ | yes | 17:47 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: yes | 17:47 |
| amotoki | so I am now trying to have one service plugin for 'sfc' in the initial flow classifier extension patch. | 17:48 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: so it can be more decoupled and we can move it to the generic FC easier | 17:48 |
| amotoki | the plugin would be very thin | 17:48 |
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| vikram_ | amotoki: I feel the extension in the same patch would increae it's testability as well | 17:49 |
| amotoki | cathy_: do you mean if we have a separate service plugin for flow classifier we need to query a correspondng service plugin | 17:49 |
| vikram_ | *increase | 17:49 |
| amotoki | and we can decouple things more clearly? | 17:50 |
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| vikram_ | amotoki: I think the original intention was to develop it as a separate service.. | 17:50 |
| amotoki | on the other hand, without plugin, we cannot test in a real neutron-server. | 17:50 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: please correct me if wrong | 17:51 |
| amotoki | okay, a separate plugin for classifier sounds okay. all other features are implemented into 'port-chain' plugin? | 17:51 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: We need to add for FC.. | 17:52 |
| vikram_ | amotoki: It's pending | 17:52 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: sorry I am back. yes we need to query a correspondng service plugin | 17:52 |
| vikram_ | Will do that | 17:52 |
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| vikram_ | cathy_: We think we don't need 2 service plugins | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: yes | 17:52 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: yes all other features are implemented into 'port-chain' plugin? | 17:53 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: yes all other features are implemented into 'port-chain' plugin | 17:53 |
| amotoki | cathy_: understood now. | 17:53 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: Current patch doesn't handle FC stuffs in port_chain service plugins | 17:53 |
| amotoki | so is it better to rename 'port-chain' pluign to 'sfc' plugin? | 17:53 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: we got to add those.. | 17:54 |
| s3wong | amotoki, vikram_: so with one service plugin, in the future, if other services (say FWaaS) wants to use FC, they would essentially be dependent on sfc service plugin? | 17:54 |
| vikram_ | s3wong: FC will be a CORE extension | 17:54 |
| vikram_ | s3wong: so no need ;) | 17:54 |
| s3wong | vikram_: I see ... | 17:54 |
| amotoki | what we need then is to query CORE plugin and consume methods from Core plugin. | 17:55 |
| LouisF | amotoki: query for FC - right? | 17:55 |
| amotoki | LouisF: yes at now and after generic FC lands it will be provided by core plugin. | 17:55 |
| vikram_ | I think we are all okay with one plug-in I believe | 17:56 |
| Swami | +1 | 17:56 |
| vikram_ | +2 | 17:56 |
| LouisF | +1 | 17:56 |
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| mohankumar | +1 | 17:56 |
| amotoki | one plugin for all FC and others? | 17:56 |
| s3wong | LouisF: once FC lands in Neutron, us in SFC would be calling FC APIs which then taps into whatever driver/plugin that implements the FC core extensions | 17:56 |
| vikram_ | one sfc plugin for networking-sfc | 17:57 |
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| cathy_ | vikram_: hold on | 17:57 |
| amotoki | Or one plugin for all features except FC and a separate plugin for FC? | 17:57 |
| vikram_ | cathy_: sure | 17:57 |
| LouisF | s3wong: do you see a problem there? | 17:58 |
| vikram_ | s3ong: Common FC is only about maintaining a common DB | 17:59 |
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| vikram_ | s3wong: Common FC is only about maintaining a common DB | 17:59 |
| vikram_ | I think time is UP.. | 18:00 |
| s3wong | LouisF: well, (a) the FC extension that eventually lands in Neutron NEEDS to be compatible with how SFC consumes FC today (else we all go in and give a -1, and amotoki can give a -2), and (2) the separation needs to be a coordinated effort between whoever doing it in Neutron | 18:00 |
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| s3wong | vikram_: no API change? | 18:00 |
| s3wong | (yeah, time's up. Sorry) | 18:00 |
| vikram_ | s3wong: nope | 18:00 |
| LouisF | s3wong: ok | 18:00 |
| amotoki | i don't want to -2. it is emergency. | 18:01 |
| LouisF | mohankumar: we have tested with you CLI and making good progress | 18:01 |
| s3wong | amotoki: :-) yeah, a bit of a joke there :-) | 18:01 |
| amotoki | :-) | 18:01 |
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| s3wong | oh no, cathy_ is gone. No one to #endmeeting... | 18:01 |
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| mohankumar | LouisF : ok | 18:01 |
| amotoki | let's finish the meeting | 18:01 |
| vikram_ | i think cathy_ is not there.. We are out of time | 18:01 |
| LouisF | ok | 18:02 |
| LouisF | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
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| vikram_ | bye | 18:02 |
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| Swami | bye | 18:02 |
| mohankumar | bye | 18:02 |
| cathy_ | hi | 18:02 |
| amotoki | LouisF is co-chair? | 18:02 |
| s3wong | cathy_: please end meeting | 18:02 |
| LouisF | actually not | 18:02 |
| amotoki | cathy_: please end the meeting | 18:02 |
| cathy_ | worry I am disconnected | 18:02 |
| LouisF | bye | 18:02 |
| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 18:02:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-10-15-17.02.html | 18:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-10-15-17.02.txt | 18:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-10-15-17.02.log.html | 18:02 |
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