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| hogepodge | #startmeeting defcore | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 14 15:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hogepodge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 15:00 |
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| hogepodge | Good morning everybody! | 15:00 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 15:00 |
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| zehicle | o/ | 15:01 |
| edmondsw | o/ | 15:01 |
| hogepodge | #chair zehicle | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hogepodge zehicle | 15:01 |
| hogepodge | While we wait for roll call, please take a moment to review the agenda | 15:02 |
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| zehicle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.19 | 15:02 |
| hogepodge | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.19 | 15:02 |
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| zehicle | eglute, will miss today | 15:02 |
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| hogepodge | #topic Flag Removed Tests | 15:04 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229177/ | 15:04 |
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| catherine1 | o/ | 15:04 |
| hogepodge | I'm still working on the script. I'll probably have it done in Tokyo. Lots to get done before the summit. | 15:05 |
| markvoelker | So on this one, I think we'd basically talked about two ways to handle it: a script and an alias field. The former is still useful even if the latter is used. | 15:05 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232685/1 alias field | 15:05 |
| markvoelker | The bigger question I think is just how to handle this for the current Guidelines, and for that the script is probably best. | 15:06 |
| hogepodge | I think we should move quickly to add an alias field. My preference is that it be optional to make it easy to get it started. | 15:06 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: +1 | 15:06 |
| catherine1 | can we add the alias to current guideline (2015.07)? | 15:06 |
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| markvoelker | catherine1: Hmm. It would require a schema change to a Board-approved doc. Not impossible I guess, but... | 15:07 |
| hogepodge | catherine1: if it's optional, it should be an easy enough change. We might need board approval? We're not changing the content of the guideline, just the administration of it. | 15:07 |
| catherine1 | we can work on RefStack to handle it .. then we can lift the requirement of certain version of Tempest | 15:07 |
| hogepodge | board approval could happen in a couple of weeks | 15:08 |
| zehicle | we can ask for board votes on those | 15:08 |
| zehicle | they are not substantive and easy for the board to approve | 15:08 |
| zehicle | even by email | 15:08 |
| * markvoelker will sign up to do the legwork of reformatting 2016.next in 1.4 schema FWIW | 15:08 | |
| zehicle | if we think schema tweaks are needed that don't change the contents of the doc then we should move ahead and ask for them | 15:09 |
| catherine1 | alias block should be optional just like flagged test block | 15:09 |
| zehicle | do we want 1.4 for the 2016.01 spec? | 15:09 |
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| hogepodge | So, get a 1.4 schema merged then send to board via e-mail for application to 2015.07? | 15:09 |
| zehicle | I was expecting to cut the 2016.01 draft after this meeting | 15:09 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: I think 1.4 has important improvements that we want sooner rather than later. | 15:10 |
| zehicle | for 2015.07, we can create a patch and then ask for board approval before we merge | 15:10 |
| zehicle | if the patch is ready for the board meeting, we'll just add it to the agenda | 15:10 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: if we don't use 1.4 for the 2016.01 draft, we don't get the target_approval field, have the 2-sources-of-truth problem for status, and don't get aliases. I think we should do it. | 15:10 |
| zehicle | +1 | 15:10 |
| catherine1 | +1 for adding alias to all (2015.07 and future json ..) | 15:11 |
| zehicle | to help w/ merge conflicts, I think we should resolve the new capabilities | 15:11 |
| hogepodge | Ok, so what's the plan for getting it ready? | 15:11 |
| markvoelker | I think the plan goes like this: | 15:11 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: agreed, that's the next item on the agenda. Once we're good to merge I can start the process and do the reconciliation. | 15:11 |
| zehicle | if the block is not required in the schema, then merges won't be a problem | 15:11 |
| zehicle | kk | 15:12 |
| markvoelker | First, we finalize schema 1.4 (see patch above plus https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224868/ ) | 15:12 |
| zehicle | I was hoping to close 2015B first | 15:12 |
| markvoelker | At the same time we can finish up the existing patches for scoring (next agenda items) | 15:12 |
| zehicle | I'm OK to merge it | 15:12 |
| catherine1 | the block is not require in the schema .. just require in the JSON | 15:12 |
| markvoelker | Then once both of those are done I'll reformat 2016.next to 1.4 and submit that | 15:12 |
| catherine1 | just not require in the JSON | 15:13 |
| zehicle | merged | 15:13 |
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| catherine1 | markvoelker: do you see my comment on the 1.4 patch? | 15:15 |
| catherine1 | about what should be put in the test vs alias areas .. | 15:16 |
| hogepodge | Ok, so we've resolved the testing and alias field. | 15:16 |
| markvoelker | catherine1: the one saying refstack could handle it if alias fields weren't included in all test blocks? Yes, and that sounds great. | 15:16 |
| hogepodge | And we're good on the process changes? | 15:16 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: catherine1: yes, it's going to make everyone's lives easier if alias is optional. | 15:17 |
| zehicle | I tried to address the two outstanding | 15:17 |
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| zehicle | basically, we're saying that the Foundation will collect data but leaving it open about what that is | 15:17 |
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| zehicle | hogepodge, that's a new topic? | 15:17 |
| hogepodge | #topic process changes | 15:17 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207209/7 | 15:18 |
| zehicle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207209/ | 15:18 |
| zehicle | basically, we're saying that the Foundation will collect data but leaving it open about what that is | 15:18 |
| hogepodge | I'm ok with the language on this, it's vague enough to give the Foundation some flexibility, but states that it's a requirement. | 15:18 |
| zehicle | my understanding was that we could not agree on what would be required | 15:18 |
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| zehicle | since it's in hacking, we can tighten it as we learn more | 15:19 |
| hogepodge | We'll be up front about what we want and why. | 15:19 |
| hogepodge | And it will likely be reflected in the marketplace listings. It's something we need to work out with the marketing and web team, what system information we think is valable to show to consumers and users. | 15:20 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: I know you had concerns about scope and reasoning | 15:20 |
| markvoelker | I kinda think we should just drop the HACKING change and leave the 2015B change. HACKING seems like the wrong place for this to begin with and if we're punting to the Foundation to decide what they want and the format they want it in, we should just let them put that on the interop page. | 15:20 |
| zehicle | the idea of putting those parts in hacking was to allow the committee to adjust | 15:21 |
| zehicle | the key element right now is getting it into the process for board approval | 15:21 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: that's why I think we should just keep the 2015B part of the change and drop the rest | 15:21 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: I tend to agree with Mark that being overly specific at the beginning might bite us in the end. I'd prefer to take the list to the Foundation and make sure it's reflected on the Interop page. | 15:22 |
| zehicle | could do - the hacking file now reads as a suggestion list only | 15:22 |
| markvoelker | The 2015B change says the Foundation may require vendors to submit details and specify a format to submit them in, so the HACKING stuff seems unnecessary | 15:22 |
| markvoelker | (and, FWIW, controversial since it still contains a lot of the stuff that was controversial in earlier patchsets) | 15:22 |
| zehicle | I'm ok w/ that. at this point the hacking stuff is noise w/o teeth | 15:23 |
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| zehicle | IMHO, less guidance is not more transparent. | 15:23 |
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| zehicle | but we can leave it to the foundation to work | 15:24 |
| hogepodge | #action zehicle to update "hardware reporting" patch to drop HACKING requirements | 15:24 |
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| * zehicle updates the patch | 15:24 | |
| markvoelker | Ok, so drop the HACKING change? I'd also suggest a slight rewording of the 2015B change since the two additions say similar things | 15:24 |
| * markvoelker adds that to gerrit | 15:24 | |
| hogepodge | #action hogepodge to take hacking list to Foundation for review and update Interop page | 15:24 |
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| hogepodge | #link next process review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207205/ | 15:26 |
| SamD | FWIW dwalleck and I should be able to happily submit configuration info on our next Rax certification run as long as we keep it general (I.E. ranges of nodes, etc...)... | 15:26 |
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| hogepodge | SamD: how about hypervisor? I think it's public information anyway | 15:27 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: on this one, can someone clarify what A5(3) means? It's a bit confusing. | 15:27 |
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| SamD | Hypervisor should be fine as well but I'm not 100% certain. :-) | 15:27 |
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| SamD | Things like Hypervisor, node range, cinder backend etc, should be fine from our point of view... | 15:28 |
| markvoelker | E.g. is it saying that if the Foundation recommends a component be included in Platform, we apply criteria based on the audience for the component? | 15:28 |
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| * zehicle requests moving on | 15:29 | |
| markvoelker | I'm also not quite sure what the last sentence of A4(7) means..."components will be evaluated based on their use in the Platform". | 15:29 |
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| zehicle | sorry - I see we're on the second change | 15:30 |
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| hogepodge | SamD: we can meet at the Summit and talk over some of those issues. We have no interest in revealing too much special infra sauce, just helping figure out capabilities. | 15:30 |
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| hogepodge | zehicle: yeah, working on language clarification | 15:31 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, this reflects a discussion from the midcycle where we wanted to make sure Components were scored based on a smaller "widely deployed" benchmark | 15:31 |
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| SamD | hogepodge: Yes. Sounds like a plan. | 15:32 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: sure, but what does it mean that "Components will be evaluated based on their use in the PLatform"? | 15:32 |
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| zehicle | When we look at pulling a Component into the Platform, then we need to see how the COMPONENT is used | 15:34 |
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| zehicle | not just the capabilities | 15:35 |
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| scotticus | zehicle what does component mean? example wise? | 15:35 |
| zehicle | Component has a specific meeting for DefCore. | 15:35 |
| zehicle | It's a collection of Capabilities | 15:36 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: so maybe change to "deployed" or "in-field" usage? | 15:36 |
| markvoelker | scotticus: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/doc/source/process/Lexicon.rst#n32 | 15:36 |
| scotticus | sweet, a glossary | 15:36 |
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| zehicle | deployed matches the vocabulary that markvoelker asked us to use | 15:37 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: what could we do to clarify that language? | 15:37 |
| markvoelker | scotticus: see also http://www.openstack.org/brand/interop/....basically, the components we have today are Compute and Object Storage | 15:37 |
| edmondsw | are other components being evaluated? | 15:37 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: I can suggest some wording in gerrit, but I wanted to understand what the intent was in case my perception was wrong | 15:37 |
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| zehicle | markvoelker, is the intent clear then? | 15:38 |
| hogepodge | Components roughly correspond with marks. So storage with "OpenStack Powered Storage", compute with "OpenStack Powered Compute", and compute and storage with "OpenStack Powered Platform" | 15:38 |
| hogepodge | one could image a database component that corresponded to "OpenStack Powered Database" | 15:38 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: I think so...how about I propose a change in gerrit after the meeting and you can tell me if I understood it correctly? =) | 15:38 |
| zehicle | they directly correspond | 15:39 |
| zehicle | +1 | 15:39 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: it's not one to one is what I was hitting at. :-D | 15:39 |
| markvoelker | Ok, 20m to go...suggest we move on | 15:39 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, my question was if more discussion was needed | 15:39 |
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| hogepodge | #action markvoelker to suggest wording for policy change | 15:39 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: I think it's sufficient to carry further conversation in gerrit at this point. Thanks! | 15:39 |
| hogepodge | What's our timeline for getting a final thumbs up/down? | 15:40 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: when do you need it for the board? | 15:40 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: I can put my suggestion in today FWIW. | 15:40 |
| zehicle | Friday | 15:40 |
| zehicle | needs to have time for board review | 15:40 |
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| hogepodge | Ok, so let's plan to work the next two days to have all of the new reviews ready to go or drop. | 15:41 |
| zehicle | We can still make patches to the 2015B draft after the merges | 15:41 |
| hogepodge | Next topic | 15:41 |
| hogepodge | #topic Finalize Advisory for Tokyo Board Meeting | 15:41 |
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| zehicle | you skipped 2016.01 create | 15:41 |
| zehicle | related topic anyway | 15:42 |
| hogepodge | #topic Plan for 2016.01 Creationroll | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Plan for 2016.01 Creationroll (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:42 | |
| hogepodge | zehicle: you have the stage | 15:42 |
| zehicle | I'd like to create the 2016.01 Guideline ASAP so that we can collect comments on it | 15:43 |
| zehicle | plan would be to use the .next file as is | 15:43 |
| zehicle | then submit patches to remove non-consensus items | 15:43 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: so to do that we need to finish the next three reviews on the agenda, yes? | 15:44 |
| zehicle | ideally, that means we'd need to merge the items in process AND 1.4 schema changes | 15:44 |
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| hogepodge | I'd like to get the items from the three patches in the next topic in place. | 15:44 |
| zehicle | markvoelker, yes HOWEVER, there's room to pass some items that are under discussion with the plan to remove them from 2016.01 | 15:44 |
| hogepodge | It looks like identity is stable. Some small changes to block storage, and name changes to images | 15:45 |
| zehicle | so, I'd recommend that we can reduce some of the angst about hot items | 15:45 |
| markvoelker | zehicle: sure. Could you clarify one thing for me? What are we presenting the Board in Tokyo exactly? B/c the next Guideline isn't due for approval until 2016.01, right? | 15:45 |
| zehicle | if we are taking them out of 2016.01 and allowing disucssion to continue on .NET | 15:45 |
| hogepodge | I removed one cinder item because of the proposed one item rule, but think we should pull it back. I'll send it up directly after the meeting. | 15:46 |
| zehicle | NEXT | 15:46 |
| markvoelker | E.g. w're not asking them to approve it until January, just advising on what we're planning to ask for approval on? | 15:46 |
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| zehicle | yes | 15:46 |
| zehicle | we can remove from now till then but not add | 15:47 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, so essentially it's advisory until January. That's fine. | 15:47 |
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| markvoelker | Thanks | 15:47 |
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| hogepodge | #link cinder/identity https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221631/ | 15:47 |
| hogepodge | #link glance/images https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213353/ | 15:47 |
| zehicle | the status would flip from "draft" to "preliminary" I believe | 15:47 |
| hogepodge | #link keystone/identity https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213330/ | 15:48 |
| * hogepodge notes error on first link, should read cinder/block storage | 15:48 | |
| zehicle | hogepodge, I'm done w/ that topic. I just wanted everyone to know that we were not doing final versions | 15:48 |
| zehicle | and state timeline | 15:48 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: ok | 15:48 |
| hogepodge | #topic Final advisory for .next | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Final advisory for .next (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:48 | |
| hogepodge | Are we good to start merging those new advisory capabilities. | 15:49 |
| hogepodge | I want to send one more patchset up for Cinder, pulling one capability back in. | 15:49 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: there have been a couple iterations recently on those, but they're mostly in good shape. I'll peruse them one more time today, but I don't see why we couldn't land them before Friday. | 15:50 |
| hogepodge | Once we're at consensus and zehicle and/or egle approves, I'd like to start merging and reconciling. | 15:50 |
| hogepodge | With approval from chairs, I'd like authority to resolve conflicts once merging starts without +2 from chairs. | 15:51 |
| zehicle | since we can continue to tweak after merge, I'd rather see if we can get agreement during the meeting | 15:51 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, works for me. | 15:51 |
| * zehicle grants hogepodge approval | 15:52 | |
| hogepodge | The last change I want to make on cinder is to pull back copy-volume-to-image #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221631/11..12/2016.next.json,cm | 15:53 |
| hogepodge | Aside from that I'm good to go. Anyone else have final comments on them? | 15:53 |
| scotticus | you want it back in? | 15:53 |
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| scotticus | hogepodge ^? | 15:54 |
| hogepodge | for now yes, it's not permanent, just advisory. If it goes out it's gone, but there is still open discussion on if it should be there or not. The other was dropped because it's an extension and not guaranteed to be there | 15:55 |
| zehicle | we need to discuss apparently, but I would rather not see single test capabilities. Can't we put it into another Cap? | 15:55 |
| hogepodge | zehicle: Yes, I'll merge image-volume interactions into one capability | 15:55 |
| zehicle | hogepodge, thank you | 15:55 |
| hogepodge | Can we continue on gerrit? With five minutes left I want to be sure to hit the next item. | 15:55 |
| zehicle | yy | 15:55 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: ++ | 15:55 |
| hogepodge | #topic Recurring Test Recommendation | 15:55 |
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| scotticus | i'm going to push back on the volume->image | 15:55 |
| hogepodge | scotticus: understood. fwiw, I'm advocating for it now to keep discussion open, not to make it permanent. I also have reservations about the image<->volume caps | 15:57 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: you have the stage | 15:57 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232128/ Recurring testing recommendations | 15:57 |
| zehicle | this may be a topic for the summit. I think the intent make sense | 15:57 |
| markvoelker | So a couple weeks ago we realized there were some major inconsistencies between DefCore's language and what's actually in the Foundation legal contracts | 15:57 |
| markvoelker | Chris is working on changes, one of which dealt with recurring testing | 15:57 |
| markvoelker | He asked us to put together some recommendations to the Foundation about how to handle that. | 15:58 |
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| markvoelker | I volunteered to put together a strawman to start that discussion, which is the link above. | 15:58 |
| hogepodge | I'm not a fan of the four week window | 15:58 |
| dwalleck | markvoelker: I'm really interested in this one. I'll have a look and add some feedback | 15:59 |
| hogepodge | I prefer allowing vendors to test early if they want, otherwise must pass current tests within a year. | 15:59 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: totally fine and not unexpected. It's a conversation starter. So, definitely make suggestions in gerrit. =) | 15:59 |
| hogepodge | yup, just send. :-D | 15:59 |
| markvoelker | (seeing as how we have 1 minute) | 15:59 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: ty | 15:59 |
| zehicle | I | 15:59 |
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| dwalleck | I'm already working on continuous testingDefCore for our cloud, but I'd be interesting in seeing what the concrete ask is | 16:00 |
| zehicle | I'd like to get this on the summit discussion agenda. I had a suggestion too (not enough time to discuss here) | 16:00 |
| hogepodge | Ok, we're at time. | 16:00 |
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| hogepodge | Let's move to #defcore and free the room. | 16:00 |
| hogepodge | Thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| hogepodge | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| markvoelker | I'll be around on #openstack-defcore for a bit if anyone wants to discuss further | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 14 16:00:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| zehicle | Thanks hogepodge. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-10-14-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-10-14-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-10-14-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:30 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:31 | |
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| mfalatic | o/ | 16:31 |
| coolsvap | hello | 16:31 |
| rhallisey | hi | 16:31 |
| inc0 | o/ | 16:31 |
| akwasnie | hi | 16:31 |
| harmw | \o/ | 16:31 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:31 |
| pbourke | hi | 16:31 |
| nihilifer | hi | 16:31 |
| sdake | hey folks looks like a full house | 16:32 |
| harmw | sure does :) | 16:32 |
| sdake | #topic liberty release announcement | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty release announcement (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:32 | |
| sdake | ok time to break out the etherpad and write a liberty release announcement with all the goodies for liberty | 16:32 |
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| sdake | #ink https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-liberty-announcement | 16:33 |
| SamYaple | o/ | 16:33 |
| SamYaple | i fell asleep | 16:33 |
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| rhallisey | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-liberty-announcement | 16:33 |
| rhallisey | shouldn't this be very similar to the l3 announcemnt? | 16:36 |
| jpeeler | i would think so | 16:36 |
| inc0 | shouldn't it be "we made whole thing"? | 16:37 |
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| SamYaple_ | i got bounced i guess | 16:41 |
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| SamYaple_ | can anyone see this? | 16:47 |
| harmw | no | 16:47 |
| SamYaple_ | thanks harmw | 16:48 |
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| sdake | ok looking pretty good ;-) | 16:49 |
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| sdake | i will make the announcement tomorrow | 16:50 |
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| sdake | so feel free to modify the release announcement prior to then if you want to make further changes | 16:50 |
| SamYaple_ | my irc is no good :( | 16:50 |
| sdake | #topic liberty release | 16:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty release (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:50 | |
| sdake | SamYaple_ irc server imploded | 16:50 |
| sdake | so we hae some bugs remaining | 16:50 |
| sdake | i'd like to make a decision to either bounce them or fix them | 16:51 |
| sdake | lets go through them now | 16:51 |
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| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1460129 | 16:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1460129 in kolla "Cinder needs tgtd" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sam Yaple (s8m) | 16:51 |
| sdake | cinder works with ceph | 16:51 |
| sdake | that is good enough for me | 16:51 |
| SamYaple_ | i havent been able to get tgtd to be stable | 16:51 |
| SamYaple_ | it works but crashes after a while unknown reasons | 16:52 |
| sdake | anyone opposed to bouncing? | 16:52 |
| rhallisey | do you want me to put a patch up with my tgt stuff that use to be there? | 16:52 |
| SamYaple_ | i hate tgt btw | 16:52 |
| SamYaple_ | rhallisey: no | 16:52 |
| SamYaple_ | that ran in the cinder-volumes container | 16:52 |
| SamYaple_ | basically tgtd needs to be its own container | 16:52 |
| SamYaple_ | but its just not working well | 16:52 |
| sdake | we ahe 24 hours to fix the remaining bugs | 16:53 |
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| sdake | is this one we are going to fix? | 16:53 |
| rhallisey | I didn't have issues when it was in that contianer? Will it do harm to anything though? | 16:53 |
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| SamYaple | rhallisey: i dont want to have cinder-volume no longer be a microservice | 16:53 |
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| SamYaple | and tgt doesnt need to be running for ceph | 16:54 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1492736 | 16:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1492736 in kolla "TechDebt: add config section for heat for trustees" [High,Confirmed] | 16:54 |
| SamYaple | sdake: that ones all you :) | 16:54 |
| sdake | ok sam - focus dude :) are you going to have it fixed by toomororw 9am | 16:54 |
| rhallisey | well it's a matter if the trade off is worth it | 16:54 |
| SamYaple | sdake: nope | 16:54 |
| sdake | ok boucning it then | 16:54 |
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| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1500699 | 16:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1500699 in kolla "cinder: attach volume doesn't work" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sam Yaple (s8m) | 16:55 |
| sdake | I would like to see that heat bug fixed | 16:55 |
| sdake | but I dont know how to fix it | 16:55 |
| rhallisey | ^ that would be fixed w/ tgt | 16:55 |
| sdake | is this cinder volume attach - does it happen with ceph as well? | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | nope | 16:55 |
| sdake | ok boucnign it | 16:55 |
| SamYaple | thats because we allow it to be deployed with lvm as a backend | 16:55 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1489676 | 16:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1489676 in kolla "Leftover /var/run files prevent Keystone start" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Sam Yaple (s8m) | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | maybe | 16:56 |
| sdake | is this going to be fixed in the next 24 hours | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | basically apache2 just needs to not have a pid file | 16:56 |
| sdake | ok i'll leave it for now | 16:56 |
| SamYaple | ill tell you by tonight | 16:56 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1504606 | 16:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504606 in kolla "Horizon instance console fails to connect instance with more than one controller" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Sam Yaple (s8m) | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | yes | 16:57 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1504800 | 16:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504800 in kolla "kolla issue with multiple nova_consoleauth and HA" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Sam Yaple (s8m) | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | same as above | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | its teh same bug | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | are you assigned to all of them? | 16:57 |
| rhallisey | I didn't notice lol | 16:57 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1505306 | 16:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505306 in kolla "Kolla should be using openstack/requirements to ensure more repeatable builds" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Paul Bourke (pauldbourke) | 16:57 |
| SamYaple | only the ones i have code for :P | 16:57 |
| sdake | ya SamYaple is superman | 16:57 |
| sdake | there wa ssome debate in teh review if this patch is correct | 16:58 |
| SamYaple | pbourke: are you here? | 16:58 |
| pbourke-mobile | Yes | 16:58 |
| sdake | pbourke comments? | 16:58 |
| pbourke-mobile | I would not merge the above for release | 16:58 |
| pbourke-mobile | Too risky | 16:58 |
| sdake | ok boucning | 16:58 |
| SamYaple | agree. but it is needed sooner rather than later | 16:58 |
| pbourke-mobile | Will split it up and merge piece by piece to master tomorrow | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | cool | 16:59 |
| sdake | need some kind soul to own https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1492736 | 16:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1492736 in kolla "TechDebt: add config section for heat for trustees" [High,Confirmed] | 16:59 |
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| SamYaple | i dont think that can be done in 24 hours sdake | 16:59 |
| SamYaple | i think it may even need an ansible module | 16:59 |
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| sdake | bummer | 17:00 |
| sdake | ok well i'd like someone to magicaly fix it soon so we can backport it | 17:00 |
| sdake | otherwise wawit conditions don't wor in heat | 17:00 |
| sdake | which meaks heat fairly unusable | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | youre the heat guy | 17:00 |
| SamYaple | i just poke it until it builds | 17:00 |
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| sdake | as far as backports go | 17:01 |
| sdake | please get backports in for any bugs you have fixed | 17:01 |
| SamYaple | I have purposed all of the backports that have merged to master but not to liberty | 17:01 |
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| SamYaple | built a oneliner for it | 17:01 |
| sdake | nice so its semi-automated? | 17:02 |
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| SamYaple | yea | 17:02 |
| SamYaple | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234843/ | 17:02 |
| SamYaple | that patch _must_ merge otherwise centos is a bust in liberty | 17:02 |
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| sdake | to all - please take a look a t the review queue after the meeting and clean things up there | 17:03 |
| harmw | check | 17:03 |
| sdake | most are backports which have already gone through a thorough review and test cycle | 17:03 |
| pbourke_ | Kk | 17:03 |
| sdake | #topic bare metal deployment | 17:03 |
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| sdake | rob hirschfield has offered to make some of his tooling he has produced deploy kolla on baremetal | 17:04 |
| sdake | also dan prince has offereed to do something similar with tripleo | 17:04 |
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| sdake | using ironic | 17:04 |
| sdake | another option is we could roll our own | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | how will that work? | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | docker image on baremetal? | 17:04 |
| sdake | is anyone interested in working with rob and dan? | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | or baremetal+docker | 17:04 |
| sdake | I dont know the details | 17:04 |
| SamYaple | yes i am very interested | 17:05 |
| inc0 | don't we have session on that? | 17:05 |
| sdake | it involves working with the two engineers doing the work | 17:05 |
| sdake | inc0 they want to get started asap from what I can tell | 17:05 |
| inc0 | anyway, count e in | 17:05 |
| sdake | sam i'll make an email introduction | 17:05 |
| sdake | and you can handle it from there | 17:05 |
| SamYaple | awesome | 17:05 |
| sdake | inc0 i'll also introducey ou as well | 17:05 |
| inc0 | I know Dan | 17:05 |
| sdake | it is more then a one person job | 17:05 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 17:06 |
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| inc0 | rhallisey, didnt you already work with Dan on this? | 17:06 |
| sdake | liberty is really shaping up, fantastic work folks! | 17:06 |
| rhallisey | inc0, ya already doing so | 17:06 |
| sdake | over 400 bugs fixed | 17:06 |
| sdake | that is huge output | 17:06 |
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| rhallisey | inc0, merged some stuff intro tripleo | 17:06 |
| SamYaple | I have two things to say | 17:07 |
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| SamYaple | first thing, docker 1.8.3 and above is all broken | 17:07 |
| SamYaple | they changed that API without bumbing versions and broke the ansible docker module | 17:07 |
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| SamYaple | the patches have landed upstream ansible to fix this _but_ we have to wait for a new ansible tagged release | 17:07 |
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| SamYaple | so for all intents and purposes kolla only works with upto docker 1.8.2 | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | additionally it requires ansible 1.9.2 | 17:08 |
| SamYaple | any questions on that? | 17:08 |
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| harmw | sounds legit | 17:08 |
| sdake | needs to be in the docs if not already pls | 17:08 |
| sdake | it annoys me tha tdocker did that | 17:08 |
| * sdake groans | 17:09 | |
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| SamYaple | i brought it up in docker-dev | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | they are aware | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | now | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | ok moving on | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | second thing is I have had several successfully ansible decploys in the gate | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | so we will have an ansible dpleoying openstack gate very soon here | 17:09 |
| SamYaple | all of the dependant patches for this have merged | 17:09 |
| inc0 | \o/ | 17:09 |
| inc0 | we will be openstack smoke-test | 17:10 |
| SamYaple | its very... touchy at teh moment and we have no logs | 17:10 |
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| SamYaple | good news is we can get full container logs pretty easy for review | 17:10 |
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| SamYaple | but thats a few patches aware | 17:10 |
| SamYaple | away* | 17:10 |
| SamYaple | now question for all of you | 17:10 |
| SamYaple | we have to do functional testing of the DEPLOYED openstack environemnt, how do we go about that? | 17:11 |
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| SamYaple | we can write a bash script to do it.... but im open to ideas | 17:11 |
| harmw | is there no functional openstack testkit available already? | 17:11 |
| pbourke_ | I was thinking if we could rig tempest to run against it | 17:11 |
| jpeeler | a long time ago we talked about tempest | 17:11 |
| harmw | tempest comes to mind indeed :) | 17:11 |
| SamYaple | will that test all the apis? | 17:12 |
| harmw | don't know | 17:12 |
| inc0 | rally? | 17:12 |
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| coolsvap | if we are doing tempet, i would suggest rally | 17:12 |
| SamYaple | i mean launching an instance should work, but we need to test the apis and connectivitey and all | 17:12 |
| harmw | isn't rally more for performance? | 17:12 |
| inc0 | I think few clever rally tasks should be enough | 17:12 |
| pbourke_ | Thats what i heard too | 17:12 |
| SamYaple | harmw: suprisingly it kinda evolved from that | 17:12 |
| harmw | hm ok | 17:12 |
| harmw | interesting | 17:12 |
| pbourke_ | Oh | 17:12 |
| SamYaple | harmw: its great for just plain testing | 17:12 |
| jpeeler | but i'd personally like to see a smokescreen that kolla can use internally | 17:13 |
| inc0 | it is, but it has few nice functional scenerios | 17:13 |
| nihilifer | +1 for using simple rally tasks for that | 17:13 |
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| SamYaple | ok so we will look into rally for this | 17:13 |
| harmw | what if we'd just start out with rally | 17:13 |
| SamYaple | anyone want to head that up? | 17:13 |
| pbourke_ | I will | 17:13 |
| SamYaple | cool pbourke_ you got the job | 17:13 |
| SamYaple | ill work on getting the logs out | 17:13 |
| inc0 | I'll help with code reviews, I had some exposure to this project | 17:14 |
| inc0 | SamYaple, rsyslog is a no-no? | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | final question from me. in the gate is everyone ok with deploying using ceph to excerise that code base as well? | 17:14 |
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| harmw | ceph+1 | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | inc0: its perfect! we just need to be able to view those logs | 17:14 |
| sdake | b bvgbvvvbv | 17:14 |
| sdake | yes ceph | 17:14 |
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| inc0 | yeah, I prefere ceph above lvm anyway | 17:14 |
| SamYaple | i mean ceph for nova and cinder and glance | 17:14 |
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| SamYaple | we dont have the ability to do just cinder but not glance atm | 17:15 |
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| inc0 | I wonder if anyone would want that | 17:15 |
| SamYaple | so we wont be exersicing some non-ceph stuff like the file backend for glance | 17:15 |
| SamYaple | inc0: people are wierd | 17:15 |
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| SamYaple | inc0: yes people do | 17:15 |
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| sdake | i want it all | 17:16 |
| sdake | and I want it now :) | 17:16 |
| SamYaple | well im going to implement it with ceph | 17:16 |
| pbourke_ | That stuff can be added later | 17:16 |
| SamYaple | no one spoke against it | 17:16 |
| rhallisey | use ceph | 17:16 |
| sdake | ya we will gate against ceph, but also make an attempt to ensure the other code paths work as well ;-) | 17:17 |
| SamYaple | awesome. well give it a few weeks for infra to give us our new gates and functional testing here we come | 17:17 |
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| SamYaple | thats it from me everyone | 17:18 |
| SamYaple | oh wait! | 17:18 |
| pbourke_ | Sam do you feel the --profiles patch goes against sdakes existing bp? | 17:18 |
| SamYaple | pbourke_: your profiles patch! | 17:18 |
| SamYaple | yea | 17:18 |
| pbourke_ | :) | 17:18 |
| SamYaple | so no | 17:18 |
| SamYaple | i dont | 17:18 |
| SamYaple | i think that existing blueprint can be implemented as profiles | 17:18 |
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| SamYaple | so a main infra and aux profile | 17:18 |
| SamYaple | between those everything builds | 17:18 |
| pbourke_ | Sure that would be fine | 17:19 |
| SamYaple | sdake: ^^? | 17:19 |
| sdake | wfm | 17:19 |
| SamYaple | awesome. so we just need the ability to specify multiple profile pbourke_ | 17:19 |
| pbourke_ | Need to tie it into ansible deploy profiles too? | 17:19 |
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| pbourke_ | As a separate patch | 17:19 |
| SamYaple | i dont think so | 17:19 |
| SamYaple | main and infra would build all ansible can deploy | 17:19 |
| pbourke_ | Its the same use case though i think | 17:20 |
| SamYaple | what do you mean? | 17:20 |
| pbourke_ | Build regexes are like ansible --tags | 17:20 |
| pbourke_ | Would be nice to easily deploy a subset | 17:21 |
| SamYaple | we do that with the enable_service varibles | 17:21 |
| pbourke_ | True... | 17:21 |
| SamYaple | if that variable isnt set you cant deploy that anyway | 17:21 |
| SamYaple | even with a tag | 17:21 |
| pbourke_ | Ok sure dont worry about that part | 17:22 |
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| SamYaple | so multiprofile support and were good | 17:22 |
| SamYaple | fixes it for everything i think | 17:22 |
| pbourke_ | Cool | 17:22 |
| SamYaple | awesome. great idea on the profile thing pbourke_ | 17:23 |
| pbourke_ | Thanks :) | 17:23 |
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| SamYaple | ok well does anyone else have something do discuss or shall we return to #kolla? | 17:24 |
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| rhallisey | nada | 17:24 |
| sdake | ok folk well thanks for coming :) | 17:24 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 17:24 |
| SamYaple | see you on the other side | 17:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 14 17:24:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-10-14-16.30.html | 17:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-10-14-16.30.txt | 17:24 |
| akwasnie | thanks | 17:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-10-14-16.30.log.html | 17:24 |
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| Piet | Is there an operators meeting? | 18:06 |
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| clayton | on my calendar it starts in 8 minutes | 18:52 |
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| jokke_ | anyone around for log WG meeting? | 20:01 |
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| Rockyg | I'm here | 20:03 |
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| Rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 14 20:03:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: log_wg)" | 20:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:03 |
| jokke_ | i Rockyg | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | Hi! | 20:03 |
| jokke_ | nice ... didn't want to kick off the meeting if I was only one ;) | 20:04 |
| Rockyg | Well, likely short. | 20:04 |
| jokke_ | sounds fine to me | 20:04 |
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| Rockyg | #action Rocky is putting together spec for a logging doc: "OpenStack Logging System" | 20:05 |
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| Rockyg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Logging_doc | 20:05 |
| * jokke_ clicks | 20:05 | |
| Rockyg | Link is where to modify TOC and add reference, info links to make this happen faster | 20:05 |
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| Rockyg | #info We'll get Ops folks to sign up for chapters or sections at the summit and from the Ops ML | 20:06 |
| Rockyg | Docs will help with editing, formatting, etc | 20:06 |
| jokke_ | nifty | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | bknudson, you around? | 20:07 |
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| bknudson | Rockyg: yep | 20:07 |
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| Rockyg | Yup. Finally getting organized for the summit | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | So, are both of you aware of global config settings vs project specific config settings? | 20:07 |
| jokke_ | nope | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | Kewl! | 20:08 |
| bknudson | I didn't think there was any documented way to do global config settings. | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | Neither are many in Docs. They're in /etc/openstack (don't know whether there are any caps in it) | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | They are the default and the project configs overwrite. | 20:09 |
| jokke_ | well I know how I do it on service level and I've heard that there is some global stuff, but haven't really looked into it | 20:09 |
| bknudson | everybody should be using ansible or something anyways. | 20:10 |
| Rockyg | bknudson, I think Oslo changed some of that, nbut you might still need to generate the file through the openstack magic stuff | 20:10 |
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| Rockyg | small sites and poc sites won't have ansible setup. | 20:10 |
| Rockyg | Just like not all sites aggregate the logs. | 20:11 |
| Rockyg | OK, so getting more info on global stuff would help *everyone* in the community, I suspect. | 20:11 |
| bknudson | they'll wish they did. | 20:11 |
| * jokke_ fails to see how ansible/chef/puppet is related to global vs. service configurability | 20:12 | |
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| Rockyg | I know logs default to some global stuff | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | and I know they can be changed on a global level | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | So, this is cool. This is the sort of "finding holes" I enjoy. Now, on to filling them. | 20:13 |
| jokke_ | yeah documenting that would be helpful | 20:13 |
| bknudson | there's a global config file /etc/openstack? | 20:14 |
| Rockyg | So, guys, if you would please, review the etherpad at your leisure and if you have additions/removals/mods, please do so. Especially pointers to information | 20:14 |
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| Rockyg | bknudson, supposedly. Looking at some of the docs, it pointed to that location | 20:14 |
| bknudson | Rockyg: which docs? | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | trying to find it again, now... | 20:16 |
| bknudson | oslo.config has some code to search for the config file: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.config/tree/oslo_config/cfg.py#n542 | 20:16 |
| bknudson | which lists some directories it searches in | 20:17 |
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| Rockyg | Maybe that's it..... | 20:18 |
| jokke_ | it is DocString so most likely it's also included into some docs | 20:18 |
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| bknudson | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/helpers.html#oslo_config.cfg.find_config_files | 20:19 |
| jokke_ | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/helpers.html#oslo_config.cfg.find_config_files | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | kewl. But what does it return? | 20:20 |
| jokke_ | it really depends what you are asking from it ... would need to look where that function is actually called or is it something what projects should call within their config processing | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | So, I know I found some references to yaml files and some other stuff. I think maybe I was looking at install docs and tracking down source code to go with it. | 20:22 |
| bknudson | all the projects will have to create a ConfigOpts and it gets called from there... | 20:23 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.config/tree/oslo_config/cfg.py#n1802 | 20:23 |
| Rockyg | So, then where are the default_conf_files located? Since it uses the project ones if no default. | 20:24 |
| bknudson | this isn't the most clearly written code ever. | 20:24 |
| bknudson | especially for something that seems pretty simple. | 20:25 |
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| Rockyg | I think maybe it was CLI docs I found the reference, or the pointer that sent me to the oslo stuff | 20:25 |
| jokke_ | yeah ... it also looks like that it's not global config related, but rather just helper that looks for project specific confs for few places if config file locations are not provided | 20:25 |
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| bknudson | the application will do something like OPTS = ConfigOpts() and then register a bunch of options and then OPTS(project='keystone', default_config_files=[whatever]) | 20:26 |
| bknudson | so the application can override the default config files if it wants | 20:26 |
| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/server/common.py#n35 | 20:29 |
| bknudson | keystone actually does pass in default_config_files :( | 20:29 |
| Rockyg | I wish I could grep on the docs website | 20:29 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: defaulting None | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | Hmm. | 20:32 |
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| bknudson | oh, keystone only passes default_config_files when there's a developer etc/keystone.conf file. | 20:32 |
| bknudson | so in the normal situation we'd use the default search that oslo.config gives us | 20:32 |
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| jokke_ | aha | 20:33 |
| jokke_ | smells like something to help gating | 20:33 |
| bknudson | probably not worth it to keep that behavior, but it's left over from antediluvian times. | 20:33 |
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| Rockyg | hmmm | 20:34 |
| bknudson | anyway, I think we can assume that all the projects let oslo.config find the config file | 20:34 |
| jokke_ | well if you don't keep that your tests will run against /etc/keystone.conf for example rather than the dev default conf file | 20:34 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: ++ or there is good reason not to | 20:34 |
| bknudson | I thought by global config file that meant that you had all your configs in the same file, but the oslo.config search is specific to the project. | 20:35 |
| bknudson | or even the executable name. | 20:35 |
| jokke_ | yup, that's what I said already earlier that this is not global across the projects config | 20:36 |
| Rockyg | I know there's a place where you can list a bunch. And oslo.log has defaults, but doesn't have a project directory, so.... | 20:36 |
| bknudson | isn't it well-known that you have /etc/keystone.conf and /etc/nova-api.conf? | 20:36 |
| Rockyg | That part is very well known. | 20:36 |
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| bknudson | oh, it's /etc/keystone/keystone.conf | 20:37 |
| bknudson | which is /etc/${project}/ from http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/helpers.html#oslo_config.cfg.find_config_files | 20:37 |
| Rockyg | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/os-client-config/tree/README.rst read that one... | 20:37 |
| bknudson | os-client-config is for configuring your clients (e.g., the openstack CLI) | 20:38 |
| Rockyg | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/os-client-config/tree/README.rst | 20:38 |
| bknudson | and it is really neat and maybe not as well known as it should be | 20:38 |
| bknudson | since a lot of people still use an openrc file | 20:38 |
| Rockyg | Yes. But, it also pretty much sets up global config variables at the same time. works for both client and server if it's envvar | 20:39 |
| bknudson | I don't know if openstack CLI is actually using os-client-config | 20:39 |
| * jokke_ really dislikes openstack CLI | 20:40 | |
| bknudson | jokke_: why's that? | 20:40 |
| bknudson | it can't be worse than the keystone CLI. | 20:40 |
| bknudson | plus it supports clouds.yaml so that makes it easier to use | 20:41 |
| bknudson | you can do openstack --os-cloud=rax user list | 20:42 |
| bknudson | and then openstack --os-cloud=hp user list | 20:42 |
| bknudson | not that you'd list users... maybe boot an instance would be a better example | 20:42 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: on glance discussions I referred it like deprecating all your filesystem tools and introducing command filesystemutils instead ... then if you want to list your files rather than ls you write something like `filesystem ReiserFS list-files-and-folders <path>` | 20:42 |
| Rockyg | That's it, clouds.yaml. That's pretty much the code used to generate the global config file.... | 20:42 |
| bknudson | having separate commands would be more unixy I guess. | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | you're showing your age...;-) | 20:44 |
| bknudson | yes, they should also be very obscure. | 20:44 |
| jokke_ | yeah ... the current trend is really driven by fans of windows powershell where everything is bundled as much as possible and uses 100 character long commands and options | 20:44 |
| bknudson | 5 letters max | 20:44 |
| bknudson | bi for boot instance | 20:44 |
| Rockyg | powershell -- YUCK! | 20:44 |
| bknudson | you can set up aliases I guess. | 20:45 |
| jokke_ | but I'm also one of those who thinks that removing short options for commonly used stuff was really moronic idea | 20:45 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: or you can have proper clients maintained by the projects that are made to do that one thing ;) | 20:46 |
| jokke_ | I would be all up for something like oslo_cli which would provide all the common bits in unified way to be consumed by clients | 20:47 |
| Rockyg | +1000 | 20:47 |
| jokke_ | like the auth options etc. that needs to be reimplemented by every single client now | 20:47 |
| Rockyg | jokke_, write a spec for Oslo ;-) | 20:48 |
| bknudson | well, not now, since we've got a library for auth options | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: I would if I had time to do it | 20:48 |
| Rockyg | Write the spec, let others write the code. | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: well that was just an example ... bad one as that problem got solved | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: like that would ever happen | 20:48 |
| Rockyg | I bet I could find some folks to collaborate with you. | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | One thing I've learned so far is that unless you're willing/able to do it, don't even bother to dream about it | 20:49 |
| jokke_ | maybe one day I will have the time to jump in and do something meaningful like that :P | 20:50 |
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| bknudson | don't give up on your dreams. | 20:51 |
| Rockyg | OK. I'm gonna try and gather info off all the old ehterpads for logging and distill it. If I make it by next week, I'll point you guys at it. | 20:51 |
| bknudson | this is a support group. | 20:51 |
| jokke_ | peer support for broken dreams? :P | 20:51 |
| Rockyg | Yeah, keep dreaming! As others execute baby steps, one day, your dream can come true | 20:51 |
| jokke_ | but back to topic, did we have something else that would be actually logging related? | 20:52 |
| Rockyg | I think that's it for today. Maybe more next week. I finally feel like I have a little time to work on this stuff. | 20:53 |
| jokke_ | and I'm assuming the time might be different but on the Summit week we will have f2f meeting, how about next week? | 20:53 |
| Rockyg | by ignoring DefCore :P | 20:53 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: _Don't_ ignore DefCore! You're my only hope that there will be some sanity | 20:54 |
| Rockyg | Let's try for it. I 'm hoping to have more stuff to review. And reminder: Review that etherpad and make comments, please? | 20:54 |
| jokke_ | yeah ... I'm ok having meeting next week after that the couple following ones might not work out that well | 20:55 |
| Rockyg | I'm coming back to DefCore, but I think I need to take my husband's advice -- Let them fail so it's easier to get them on your page... | 20:55 |
| Rockyg | We'll set a new time while we're at the summit... | 20:55 |
| Rockyg | Thanks folks! | 20:56 |
| Rockyg | #endmeeting | 20:56 |
| jokke_ | thanks | 20:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 14 20:56:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-10-14-20.03.html | 20:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-10-14-20.03.txt | 20:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-10-14-20.03.log.html | 20:56 |
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