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| eglute | #startmeeting defcore | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 7 15:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 15:00 |
| eglute | #chair hogepodge | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge | 15:00 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglute | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:00 | |
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| eglute | morning everyone! | 15:00 |
| hogepodge | Good morning! | 15:00 |
| eglute | raise your hand if you are here for defcore meeting | 15:00 |
| eglute | #topic agenda | 15:01 |
| markvoelker | Good morning (more morningish than usual for me since I'm on the west coast today) | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:01 | |
| eglute | please review today's agenda: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.18 | 15:01 |
| catherineD | Good morning .o/ | 15:01 |
| eglute | sorry markvoelker, then this is really early for you, just like for hogepodge! | 15:01 |
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| kbaikov | o/ | 15:02 |
| markvoelker | eglute: nah, not really....I'm an early riser, particularly when my internal clock is still on EDT. =) | 15:02 |
| eglute | markvoelker you are lucky, i adjust to PST super fast, then hard to switch back | 15:02 |
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| eglute | anyways, last time we ran out of time, so will start with items we didnt get to | 15:03 |
| Guest89741 | o/ | 15:03 |
| eglute | #topic tests that no longer exist in tempest | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tests that no longer exist in tempest (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:03 | |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229177/ | 15:03 |
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| scotticus | o/ | 15:03 |
| eglute | catherineD brought up that one test was renamed | 15:03 |
| eglute | and we currently do not have a good way to handle it | 15:04 |
| markvoelker | So on this one I think tactically we just need to adjust our documentation, strategically we need to think about how to handle renames. | 15:04 |
| hogepodge | a script to generate the required list is the way to go. | 15:04 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: one that runs against whatever version of tempest you have, you mean? | 15:04 |
| hogepodge | If possible on the refstack side checking should be done against just idempotent id | 15:04 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: yes | 15:05 |
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| hogepodge | If a test is showing as failed because of a rename in refstack, we would account for that on the foundation side. | 15:05 |
| catherineD | For that I am evaluating the SHA that Mark suggesting .. at RefStack | 15:05 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: so idempotent ID's aren't unique to tests though, so would have to be some conglomeration of name + id | 15:06 |
| hogepodge | idempotent ids only collide when the tests have the same functionality, so there's no loss of generality | 15:06 |
| eglute | for each guideline we also have a "procedure" doc. We could specify version there as well. https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/2015.05/procedure.rst | 15:06 |
| catherine_ | checking on ID is not possible ... especially with Neutron tests .. | 15:06 |
| * markvoelker notes that we still don't have one of those for the 2015.07 guideline | 15:07 | |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: there's a patch up for that | 15:07 |
| eglute | yup, there is a patch | 15:07 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227645/ < patch to add 2015.07 docs | 15:07 |
| eglute | if everyone is ok with it, i will merge it after the meeting | 15:08 |
| hogepodge | What would be better is a script. I was working on one in Vancouver and never finished it. | 15:08 |
| markvoelker | That patch doesn't have guidance about the SHA though. Should we just land it and add SHA guidance in follow-up once Catherine verifies it? Or someone writes the script Chris is suggesting? | 15:08 |
| eglute | hogepodge what kind of script do you have in mind | 15:08 |
| hogepodge | eglute: something that runs against tempest to produce the required and flagged test lists | 15:09 |
| eglute | hogepodge i think that would be great | 15:10 |
| hogepodge | so it's up to date against both the tempest tree and the defcore standard | 15:10 |
| markvoelker | Who's volunteering to write it? =) | 15:11 |
| catherine_ | I am not sure how that would work ... in the list of tests do we include the new or old name? | 15:11 |
| eglute | so everyone is ok with having a script as well as listing version in the procedure doc? | 15:11 |
| hogepodge | me | 15:11 |
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| hogepodge | #action hogepodge finish work on required/flagged test script | 15:11 |
| eglute | #action hogepodge will write a very nice script, something that runs against tempest to produce the required and flagged test lists | 15:11 |
| eglute | hah | 15:11 |
| eglute | ok, how about update procedure doc with version? | 15:11 |
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| hogepodge | eglute: your action item sounds much nicer. :-D | 15:11 |
| eglute | :D | 15:12 |
| hogepodge | that too | 15:12 |
| eglute | anyone is interested in taking that action? | 15:12 |
| markvoelker | Like catherine I'm a little curious how this will work, but I'm content to look at the code once proposed to get the big picture. | 15:12 |
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| hogepodge | eglute: I can do that too | 15:12 |
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| eglute | #action hogepodge will update procedure doc to include test versions | 15:12 |
| markvoelker | Also a little curious how to handle this given that refstack.net will need to show the results properly and that the test lists in the Guideline doc are immutable.... | 15:12 |
| markvoelker | But it seems like a problem that could be solved | 15:13 |
| eglute | markvoelker i think you have valid concerns, lets see what hogepodge comes up with! | 15:13 |
| eglute | next item? | 15:13 |
| catherine_ | Let's give it a trial ... | 15:13 |
| hogepodge | Another proposal to address Catherine's concern is to add an "aka": entry to the guideline | 15:13 |
| hogepodge | to capture name changes | 15:13 |
| eglute | that might be good as well | 15:13 |
| markvoelker | Sure. One more thing: since there are a couple of issues to resolve there it seems like it may take some time for all that to get in place | 15:13 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: catherineD: something like that would resolve the problem, no? | 15:14 |
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| markvoelker | In the interim I'd suggest Catherine continue testing the SHA to make sure it works, and we update docs to point to it | 15:14 |
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| eglute | +1 | 15:14 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: sounds like a good proposal for schema 1.4 | 15:14 |
| eglute | also, updating procedure doc will help, until we have other things in place | 15:14 |
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| eglute | talking of schema! next item | 15:14 |
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| catherine_ | markvoelker: +1 for testing SHA .. | 15:14 |
| eglute | #topic cutoff score in schema | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cutoff score in schema (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:15 | |
| eglute | markvoelker can you give a bried overview | 15:15 |
| eglute | brief | 15:15 |
| catherine_ | hogepodge: aka addition may work .. | 15:15 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224868/ Add field to record cutoff score | 15:15 |
| markvoelker | Basically this adds a field in the schema to record the cutoff score we used when deciding what to make required in a Guideline | 15:15 |
| markvoelker | (note: only the cutoff for required, not for advisory) | 15:16 |
| markvoelker | The general idea is to help with transparency and to help us score fairly | 15:16 |
| catherine_ | +1 | 15:16 |
| hogepodge | no objections | 15:17 |
| eglute | so my only concern is that the cutoff score has been more as a recommendation, not a requirement. ie, if score is high enough, does not mean capability would make it as required. thoughts? | 15:18 |
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| markvoelker | We are required to select a cutoff score (http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/doc/source/process/2015A.rst#n109) so seems like making that visible is good for transparency | 15:19 |
| rockyg | o/ | 15:19 |
| eglute | markvoelker good point. | 15:20 |
| eglute | #action everyone review #https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224868/ by end of week and comment | 15:20 |
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| eglute | #topic tokyo working sessions | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tokyo working sessions (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:21 | |
| eglute | we have 2 working sessions, we started preliminary agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlagTokyo | 15:21 |
| eglute | please review agenda and add/update | 15:22 |
| eglute | if we have too many items on the agenda, we can hold a separate brief meeting to review the agenda and prioritize | 15:22 |
| markvoelker | eglute: where should we add/update? Is there an etherpad or something? | 15:22 |
| markvoelker | oh, duh...first link | 15:23 |
| eglute | heh | 15:23 |
| markvoelker | looked right past it. =) | 15:23 |
| eglute | sorry dont mean to rush through things, but still a lot to cover today | 15:23 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlagTokyo Tokyo summit working session agenda | 15:23 |
| markvoelker | No worries, let's move on | 15:23 |
| eglute | also, if you know of other tokyo defcore/refstack sessions, update today's etherpad or add it to the agenda for tokyo | 15:24 |
| eglute | #topic review spec for refstack registration | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review spec for refstack registration (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:24 | |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226902/ | 15:25 |
| rockyg | there's one proposed for cross project but won't be scheduled for a bit yet | 15:25 |
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| eglute | rockyg cool, update when you know the time | 15:25 |
| eglute | markvoelker can you give a brief summary of the proposed spec? | 15:25 |
| markvoelker | So a while back Catherine asked us to write a draft proposal for how to handle vendor registration/affiliation in refstack. | 15:25 |
| markvoelker | She was extremely patient while I was busy with other things, and eventually this came out of my keyboard. =) | 15:26 |
| markvoelker | There's some good discussion in the comments about how to deal with user affiliation data/verification, and whether vendor *products* need to be "first class citizens" | 15:26 |
| markvoelker | And also some questions that probably need answers from the Foundation | 15:26 |
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| catherine_ | Thank you for the spec ... I feel like the vendor registration topic is a good one for face-2-face at the summit ... | 15:27 |
| markvoelker | catherine_: +1. Chris, if you haven't already it would be good to peruse some of the comments there if you can speak to the Foundation's capabilities/feelings about a couple of things | 15:27 |
| eglute | +1 for the summit discussion | 15:27 |
| markvoelker | (or point us to someone who can) | 15:28 |
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| hogepodge | ok | 15:28 |
| eglute | ok, so we will move this topic to F2F | 15:28 |
| catherine_ | I will add the topic to the summit etherpad .. | 15:29 |
| eglute | thanks catherine_ | 15:29 |
| eglute | now we can go back to scoring, unless there is something you want to move ahead on the agenda | 15:29 |
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| eglute | #topic scoring | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "scoring (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 15:29 | |
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| eglute | cinder did not receive a ton of comments, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221631/ | 15:30 |
| catherine_ | eglute: thanks for allowing time to discuss the RefStack related topics ... :-) | 15:30 |
| eglute | catherine_ this seems very related! | 15:30 |
| eglute | for cinder, i think there was one comment about extra characters left in, | 15:31 |
| eglute | is it ready otherwise/ | 15:31 |
| eglute | ? | 15:31 |
| hogepodge | eglute: I just updated that patch before the meeting, so good to go | 15:31 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: it also needs the achievements added to teh json and a rebase | 15:31 |
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| eglute | cinder? i dont see an update | 15:31 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221631/ | 15:32 |
| rockyg | ithink it happend 9/28 | 15:32 |
| markvoelker | I see a few other issues in the json too....commenting now | 15:33 |
| markvoelker | But I think we've had sufficient soak time to generally agree on what should go into it. | 15:33 |
| hogepodge | oh yeah, nevermind, rebase failed. | 15:33 |
| eglute | ok, then will wait for the cleanup, and then merge at the end of the week, or as soon as all the issues are fixed | 15:33 |
| hogepodge | The hour after the meeting is devoted to cleaning up the cinder, glance, and keystone patches for final review. | 15:34 |
| eglute | :) | 15:34 |
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| eglute | talking of glance! | 15:34 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213353/ | 15:34 |
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| eglute | rockyg i know you raised some concerns that markvoelker responded. | 15:35 |
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| rockyg | Question: so if the vendors have underlying code that allow v2 api to work, does that make it acceptable for inclusion? | 15:35 |
| rockyg | the discussion on the mailing list has both cinder and nova saying their code base doesn't work with v2 | 15:36 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: not sure what you mean.....v2 does work with upstream code | 15:36 |
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| markvoelker | YEs, they use the v1 API. That doesn't mean v1 has to be exposed to end users or that other projects have to use v2 though. | 15:36 |
| rockyg | Nope. v2 tests work, but the capability has not been added to work with either project. Neither uses v2 api | 15:37 |
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| markvoelker | rockyg: I'm not seeing why that would prevent v2 from being required to be exposed to end users. | 15:37 |
| rockyg | which pretty much mean that the only people who *do* have it working are outside of the dev community | 15:37 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: huh? | 15:37 |
| rockyg | the nova client and the cinder client use v1 | 15:38 |
| rockyg | because v2 breaks | 15:38 |
| rockyg | no v2 is called from either code base at the moment | 15:38 |
| rockyg | it's an api sole restricted to glance itself | 15:38 |
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| markvoelker | So, I'm still not seeing why it matters that nova and cinder talk to glance over v1. Maybe that impacts the clients score, which has been discussed already in the review. | 15:39 |
| rockyg | That's what dhellmann's email thread was about. | 15:39 |
| markvoelker | But v2 works for end users and has for some time | 15:39 |
| markvoelker | And in fact most products out there support it | 15:39 |
| markvoelker | And don't need special code to do so | 15:39 |
| markvoelker | Also noted in the review | 15:39 |
| markvoelker | DefCore specifies what end users can rely on being present | 15:40 |
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| rockyg | well, if our own projects are not using it yet, how much in use is it really? | 15:40 |
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| markvoelker | Quite a lot | 15:40 |
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| rockyg | which means the code supporting it is all vendors, not dev community. | 15:40 |
| markvoelker | Monty's notes for example: on 11 public clouds it is the only way for you to upload an image | 15:40 |
| rockyg | That's why I asked if it's ok to use out of tree code, vendor code, to make it work | 15:41 |
| hogepodge | it's not vendor code making that work | 15:41 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: There is no out-of-tree code involved in v2 working | 15:41 |
| rockyg | According to the dev thread, it is | 15:41 |
| hogepodge | it's configuration to expose v2, which is enabled by default | 15:41 |
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| rockyg | I don't think v2 is enabled by default. | 15:42 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: I'm not reading that from the dev thread at all. | 15:42 |
| rockyg | If it is, it just happended in the gate | 15:42 |
| rockyg | . I'm getting that from a glance core and others | 15:42 |
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| markvoelker | rockyg: if someone were saying they had nova and cinder talking to glance via v2, that would be out of tree code | 15:42 |
| rockyg | create image needs to talk to nova. | 15:42 |
| markvoelker | But the concern here is what is exposed to end users, not to nova/cinder. If you want to enable the v2 API for tenants, that works. Out of the box. Has for some time. | 15:42 |
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| markvoelker | No it doesn't. Other way around. | 15:43 |
| markvoelker | If you want to use the nova create image API, that talks to glance (via v1) | 15:43 |
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| rockyg | ok, so then nova calls image-create? It is using v1 | 15:43 |
| markvoelker | If you want to upload an image to glance directly (e.g. not create one from a running instance) you can do that with v2 directly to cinder | 15:43 |
| markvoelker | err, glance | 15:43 |
| hogepodge | our goal should be to eliminate nova create image api, and other proxy apis. Way too much pain there | 15:44 |
| rockyg | but to create an image, noav and glance have to talk. the only way for that to happen is v1 | 15:44 |
| markvoelker | None of these capabilities are concerned with creating an image from an existing instance. | 15:44 |
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| hogepodge | We should also foster interoperability through stable apis that will have future support. In 9 months, the earliest that these can be required, glance v1 will be entirely done. Cinder v1 also. This is in part because of the problems we as a committee have exposed. | 15:45 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: If you want to create an image, nova and glance basically don't have to talk. If you want to create an image *from and existing instance* then they do. | 15:46 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: is glance actually going to deprecate v1? I haven't actually heard that.... | 15:46 |
| rockyg | I'll remove my -1. for advisory, but don't be surprised if it stays advisory for more than one release. There are few to any client tests and the code doesn't exist in the other projects which mean the tempest tests don't exercise the broken areas. | 15:46 |
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| hogepodge | making glance v2 and cinder v2 advisory (ane keystonve v3) starting in January only helps our interoperability efforts by aligning us with the community and tc, sending a clear message as to our intentions | 15:46 |
| rockyg | But, it may get the devs to get it working. | 15:46 |
| eglute | i agree with hogepodge. I think as is, is ok for advisory. remember that just because something is advisory, does not mean it will be required next cycle. if it is still an issue in 6 months, we will revisit. | 15:47 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: which of the tests that are listed in the json are not used by devs? | 15:47 |
| rockyg | Just don't expect a 6 month turnaround. | 15:47 |
| hogepodge | I've seen some pretty amazing 6 month turnarounds in the last year. More than one. | 15:47 |
| rockyg | It's not that the tests aren't used, it's that they don't exercise what's not there | 15:48 |
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| eglute | for the sake of time, lets take this discussion to defcore irc channel | 15:48 |
| eglute | i would like to go over identity again | 15:48 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213330/ | 15:48 |
| eglute | this also a bit controversial issue, | 15:49 |
| eglute | and has a lot of - | 15:49 |
| eglute | -1 | 15:49 |
| rockyg | I really think the api discussion needs to happen f2f, which is why I'm taking my -1 away and letting the advisory go through | 15:49 |
| eglute | thanks rockyg | 15:49 |
| eglute | can you update the agenda for tokyo? | 15:50 |
| eglute | for identity patch, same thing, versions. | 15:50 |
| eglute | to move forward, i suggest updating the patch to drop v2 | 15:50 |
| markvoelker | Yeah, I noticed the incoming PTL reversed his vote on this one. I'm ok with removing v2, though I would really, really like to see the project deprecate it if they're saying nobody should use it anymore. Sounds like Steve is going to try to make that happen, which is good. | 15:50 |
| rockyg | I think we need a *serious* discussion about versions with dev at Tokyo. | 15:51 |
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| eglute | i agree with you markvoelker they should work on deprecating it | 15:51 |
| rockyg | I think that's what most of the issues are over and the dev community is just realizing the implications with the gate and codebase of the various projects going to new api/s | 15:52 |
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| eglute | i am sure we will have more versions discussions in the future, so we will need to find a good way to work with these issues... or with the devs, or both | 15:52 |
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| eglute | i am very happy to see PTLs commenting on these patches, hopefully this trend continues | 15:53 |
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| hogepodge | we need to think about existing v2/v3 tests for tokens too | 15:53 |
| hogepodge | I can deprecate them in next | 15:53 |
| eglute | hogepodge for this guideline or the next | 15:53 |
| rockyg | added to agenda as general versions handling discussion | 15:53 |
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| eglute | thanks rockyg | 15:53 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: If we're not going to include v2 even as advisory, then we should deprecate the existing v2 stuff in this patch too. | 15:53 |
| markvoelker | It's all of one test I think | 15:53 |
| hogepodge | if a vendor is running into a v2/v3 testing issue I'd recommend they propose a flag | 15:54 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: +1 | 15:54 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: +1 on revmoving v2 token test from requirement ... | 15:54 |
| markvoelker | On that note, maybe this is a good time to mention an item that's actually later on the agenda (it's quick, promise) | 15:55 |
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| markvoelker | Is anyone tuning into API WG meetings at all? | 15:55 |
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| hogepodge | no | 15:55 |
| markvoelker | The TC has some guidance about feature deprecation that's useful for API transitions, and the API WG I think has been planning to come up with a plan | 15:55 |
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| rockyg | just following the patches | 15:55 |
| markvoelker | I think our experience here would be useful in that conversation | 15:55 |
| eglute | #topic apis | 15:56 |
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| markvoelker | If nobody else is, I'm happy to liaise with them... | 15:56 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker that would be great | 15:56 |
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| eglute | #action markvoelker will act as a liaison between defcore and api wg | 15:56 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, sounds like a plan. See, told you that was a quick one. =) | 15:56 |
| rockyg | please. I'm mostly focused on where it intersects logging | 15:56 |
| eglute | ok, so back to identity... ok to drop v2 and move forward? | 15:57 |
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| rockyg | yah. | 15:57 |
| eglute | cool! i think hogepodge already volunteered to make that change | 15:57 |
| markvoelker | I'm fine with that. I'd also like to be present when keystone discusses deprecating v2. =) | 15:57 |
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| eglute | 2 min left, any last words? | 15:58 |
| catherineD | +2 | 15:58 |
| hogepodge | Two more meeting before Tokyo. | 15:58 |
| hogepodge | s/meeting/meetings/ | 15:58 |
| eglute | i will not be able to attend either, | 15:58 |
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| hogepodge | I'll be here for both. | 15:58 |
| eglute | because of the conference/other meetings | 15:58 |
| rockyg | we might consider a defcore/crossproject dinner for a longer discussion on versions | 15:58 |
| eglute | thanks hogepodge | 15:58 |
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| rockyg | if we can pull it off, we might get better info for moving forward | 15:59 |
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| eglute | rockyg for moving forward on apis? | 15:59 |
| rockyg | or breakfast | 15:59 |
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| rockyg | the versioning stuff. Get a senior dev from each project with versions to talk about process to make it work for all of us | 16:00 |
| eglute | rockyg lets plan on that. but not for breakfast. | 16:00 |
| eglute | great discussion today, thanks everyone! | 16:00 |
| rockyg | agreed ;-) | 16:00 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 7 16:00:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-10-07-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-10-07-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 7 16:33:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:33 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:33 |
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| sdake | o/ | 16:33 |
| rhallisey | hi | 16:33 |
| inc0 | afternoon | 16:33 |
| jpeeler | hey | 16:33 |
| sdake | apologies for off to a late start | 16:33 |
| sdake | i'll give it a few more minutes if its just us we may just cancel | 16:34 |
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| sdake | well guys we dont really have a quorum | 16:35 |
| inc0 | I guess everyone are busy fixing critical bugs for rc2? | 16:35 |
| sdake | i did want to write the release announcement for liberty | 16:35 |
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| sdake | and I'd like everyone involved in that process | 16:35 |
| inc0 | can we just summarize libery as "kolla was pretty much created"? | 16:36 |
| sdake | i'll send a note that the next meeting is iportant to attend | 16:36 |
| sdake | and I guess cahcnel that | 16:36 |
| sdake | 'we came, we saw, we delivered. ;)" | 16:36 |
| rhallisey | inc0, how about "you're welcome" | 16:36 |
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| sdake | anyone object to cancelling this meeting then since we lack quorum? | 16:36 |
| rhallisey | no objection | 16:36 |
| inc0 | none from me | 16:36 |
| sdake | one quck thing | 16:36 |
| sdake | if you have a patch | 16:36 |
| sdake | and it requires backport | 16:36 |
| sdake | plaese add in lowercase to the bug commit log | 16:37 |
| sdake | backport: liberty | 16:37 |
| sdake | this will help me track down the right changes | 16:37 |
| rhallisey | kk | 16:37 |
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| sdake | also, please stay on top of the librty backport requests | 16:37 |
| sdake | these should be simple +2/+as | 16:37 |
| sdake | thanks for coming folks | 16:37 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
| inc0 | cyas | 16:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 7 16:37:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:37 |
| rhallisey | thx | 16:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-10-07-16.33.html | 16:37 |
| jpeeler | bye! | 16:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-10-07-16.33.txt | 16:37 |
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| j^2 | :D | 19:00 |
| raginbajin | #startmeeting operators_ops_tools_monitoring | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 7 19:01:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is raginbajin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'operators_ops_tools_monitoring' | 19:01 |
| j^2 | o/ | 19:02 |
| raginbajin | o/ | 19:02 |
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| drwahl | o/ | 19:02 |
| raginbajin | #addchair j^2 | 19:02 |
| raginbajin | apparently that doesn't work | 19:03 |
| j^2 | :-O | 19:03 |
| j^2 | oh the ^ probably breaks it | 19:03 |
| raginbajin | #addchair drwahl | 19:03 |
| j^2 | odd | 19:03 |
| raginbajin | #help | 19:03 |
| raginbajin | well I guess help doesn't work either. | 19:03 |
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| raginbajin | Ok well | 19:05 |
| raginbajin | Lets get this party started then | 19:05 |
| j^2 | :D | 19:05 |
| raginbajin | #topic Review of last meeting | 19:05 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:05 |
| raginbajin | Last meetings notes can be found here | 19:05 |
| raginbajin | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-09-23-19.00.html | 19:05 |
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| raginbajin | We had a few action items that we looked to get done. | 19:06 |
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| j^2 | yep | 19:07 |
| raginbajin | The first one was for me to create a few BP's for the group to go over. I did add a few and we can review those here in a second | 19:07 |
| raginbajin | The next one was rockyg "rockyg will give a report on what is happening here to the product working group to see if there is any support they could provide and report back to us." | 19:07 |
| raginbajin | So I say lets talk about that one | 19:08 |
| raginbajin | #topic Results from the Product Working Group discussion | 19:08 |
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| Rockyg | Well, I'm fairly certain that the product wg can provide some support for this. | 19:08 |
| Rockyg | they are active in the enterprise wgs including monitoring | 19:09 |
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| raginbajin | Ok, I guess nothing specific then from them | 19:09 |
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| raginbajin | atleast at the moment | 19:09 |
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| j^2 | cool | 19:10 |
| raginbajin | Ok - I wasn't sure what we were going to get out of this per-sae | 19:11 |
| raginbajin | So, it sounds like if we run across something that they can help with we can see what they can do | 19:11 |
| raginbajin | Ok so then on to the next item. | 19:12 |
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| Rockyg | I think what we need to do is get on the agenda and talk about what this group needs/would like and get a response. | 19:12 |
| raginbajin | #topic Communicate with the cores | 19:12 |
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| Rockyg | um, in another meeting. will catch up shortly | 19:12 |
| raginbajin | sounds good rockyg | 19:13 |
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| raginbajin | I think this was one that you j^2 just sent out an email today, but did you have a chance to talk with some of the other cores | 19:13 |
| j^2 | yeah not much, but we’ve had progress with the repos and reviews | 19:14 |
| j^2 | i completely forgot to send out the not till today, but ideally people will start joining as of the next meeting | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | No problem. I usually start remembering what i need to do the week of. | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | So i totally get it.. | 19:14 |
| raginbajin | So, I think that really just rolls everything into the BP's and the repo updates we had. | 19:15 |
| raginbajin | #topic BPs and Repo updates. | 19:15 |
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| raginbajin | I was wondering if there was a way to link a blueprint that gets added to the Operators room | 19:15 |
| raginbajin | I've seen it in other rooms, just not sure how all that is linked together. | 19:15 |
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| j^2 | i thought the “openstack” bot does it | 19:15 |
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| raginbajin | well that bot has been slacking then.. But I'm not sure if we have to register that with the bot so it knows how to push those things | 19:16 |
| j^2 | i dunno :-/ | 19:16 |
| raginbajin | I say lets make that an action for maybe both you and I to see if we can do that.. | 19:17 |
| raginbajin | Do you think the Operators group would be ok with that? | 19:17 |
| j^2 | i dunno, i think so | 19:17 |
| j^2 | the channel is pretty quite then active then quite so i think they’ll be ok with ti | 19:18 |
| raginbajin | ok I'll send out an email to the listserv and see if we get anyone yelling no to that | 19:18 |
| j^2 | sounds good | 19:18 |
| raginbajin | #action raginbajin and j^2 to investigate how to get Blueprints announced within the Operators Channel | 19:18 |
| raginbajin | I think that will act as a nice advertisment as well | 19:19 |
| j^2 | yep | 19:19 |
| j^2 | to show the activity etc and progress | 19:19 |
| raginbajin | exactly. | 19:19 |
| raginbajin | Was there any feedback to give about the updates we got from the Repo updates? | 19:19 |
| j^2 | not much, other than we have some ideas and progress, i don’t think much’ll take off till tokyo, but it’s awesome to see people already commiting | 19:20 |
| j^2 | and we’re talking about creating a “curating” folder with some coding standards | 19:20 |
| raginbajin | Yeah that's good. I dont' think I will be able to head out to Tokyo. :( | 19:20 |
| j^2 | :( | 19:21 |
| j^2 | i’ll report back anything | 19:21 |
| j^2 | that pops up | 19:21 |
| drwahl | i'll be in tokyo as well | 19:21 |
| drwahl | and will keep notes relavent to this group | 19:21 |
| j^2 | nice | 19:21 |
| raginbajin | I can probably be online if we have a session and everyone is on the etherpad or irc channel. | 19:21 |
| raginbajin | That would be cool for sure.. | 19:21 |
| raginbajin | Ok.. Did we want to take a look at the BP's. I didn't add a lot of detail to them, I really just found particular issues that were mentioned that had something that could be completed against it | 19:22 |
| raginbajin | and copied and pasted that information into it. | 19:22 |
| raginbajin | We would definitely need some additional people to add and contribute more detail. | 19:22 |
| raginbajin | For example I create this one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/osops/+spec/tenant-cleanup-evacuation-tools | 19:23 |
| raginbajin | That one is probably specific to what the godaddy people are working on.. and maybe we can get them to look into it. | 19:24 |
| raginbajin | It did make me think about something, they created a stackforge project called ospurge | 19:24 |
| raginbajin | Should/Could that be integrated into osops or should it be a separate project on its own | 19:24 |
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| drwahl | i think it would also behoov us to create tickets with the other projects to address these sort of things in the mainline stuff | 19:25 |
| drwahl | i.e. we shouldn't *need* ospurge type scripts forever | 19:25 |
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| drwahl | they should fill a gap until it's addressed in the mainline | 19:26 |
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| j^2 | ah nice | 19:26 |
| raginbajin | drwahl what do you mean by creating tickets in the other projects? Like a ticket within Nova to address the cleanup effort that this is doing? | 19:27 |
| j^2 | yeah a couple things have popped up asking if they should be a part of ososps i think we need more discussions about it | 19:27 |
| drwahl | raginbajin: ya | 19:27 |
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| raginbajin | Gotcha.. | 19:27 |
| drwahl | these are essentially bugs (or feature requests) of other projects (neutron, nova, etc.) | 19:27 |
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| raginbajin | That makes sense then. Should we be facilitating that or letting the people working on those scripts do it | 19:29 |
| drwahl | i don't have an answer to that exactly... | 19:29 |
| drwahl | maybe it would make sense for us to do, since this group kind of represents operators at large | 19:29 |
| j^2 | :D | 19:30 |
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| raginbajin | yeah. It makes sense to me then I thought then someone(s) have to really keep on top of those things. | 19:31 |
| drwahl | yup, it does create work | 19:31 |
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| raginbajin | maybe it gets better with more people and the work does get a little more spread out. | 19:31 |
| drwahl | but, it's a good way for us to get some good reputation | 19:31 |
| raginbajin | true. | 19:31 |
| raginbajin | ok well I think I will bring up the idea of the ospurge project maybe working with the osops project for what they are doing to help get us started on something. | 19:32 |
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| raginbajin | j^2 for the those discussions you mentioned, what if we asked them to come talk more about it here at these meetings. | 19:33 |
| Rockyg | just want to note that a dev already commented on one of the cleanup bps on the mailing list. Said a bug should be filed against, I think, nova. He wants to reach out. | 19:33 |
| drwahl | obviously ospurge is just one example. we have some quota scripts floating around that also seem like bugs in nova/neutron | 19:33 |
| j^2 | raginbajin: i like that idea, we just need people to show up and buy in | 19:33 |
| Rockyg | drwahl, and quotas are big no prod_wg and on the dev agenda for this cycle | 19:34 |
| Rockyg | ^no^on | 19:34 |
| raginbajin | Yeah sounds like we will need to be out shaking hands and kissing babies to get this going for a while. | 19:34 |
| j^2 | Rockyg: that’s awesome, i get lost in the mailing lists; and it’s challenging to keep it straight | 19:34 |
| j^2 | raginbajin: exactly | 19:34 |
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| raginbajin | Is there ways to link bug tickets within launchpad? So if I opened a Osops bug to say fix nova quotas | 19:36 |
| raginbajin | how can I track that back to bugs over in nova | 19:36 |
| j^2 | that’s a great question | 19:36 |
| j^2 | can you link the bug for ososps? | 19:36 |
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| raginbajin | j^2 I haven't opened anythign.. I was just thinking about it | 19:37 |
| j^2 | oh | 19:37 |
| Rockyg | You can put the link in the bug | 19:37 |
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| Rockyg | There is a way to add projects to a bug, but I forget how. I'll get back to you on that.... | 19:38 |
| raginbajin | #action Figure out how to link bugs from osops to other project in order to keep track of issues. | 19:39 |
| raginbajin | just so we don't forget. | 19:39 |
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| Rockyg | cool | 19:39 |
| raginbajin | Ok well I think we have a few things to keep moving.. I think if we can start talking about the osops area for blueprints and bugs before the summit, we can maybe get those guys to start opening tickets while we are there. | 19:40 |
| raginbajin | Maybe someone can talk to tom about trying to reiterate that to all the Ops Sessions | 19:40 |
| Rockyg | fyi: product wg user story on Quotas, etc. If you want to add/change something, just file a patch | 19:44 |
| Rockyg | oops. link: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-stories/draft/capacity_management.rst | 19:45 |
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| raginbajin | Ok well I think I'll take that as an action item since everyone is fighting over it. | 19:49 |
| raginbajin | :) | 19:49 |
| raginbajin | #action raginbajin will email Tom and see if the osops links can be included during the summit for all the operator based sessions. | 19:49 |
| * drwahl doesn't know who tom is... | 19:50 | |
| raginbajin | Tom Fifield | 19:50 |
| Rockyg | Fifield. foundation community manager | 19:50 |
| Rockyg | I think we can get him to put the info at the top of all the ops etherpads | 19:50 |
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| j^2 | yeah, I’ve tried getting OSOps on the docket, didn’t happen | 19:51 |
| raginbajin | He is basically the Operators link to the foundation for the most part. He helps put together the Meetups and the Operator Sessions at the summit. keeps the operator cats herded during the week | 19:51 |
| j^2 | but i’m gonna be fighting for it | 19:51 |
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| raginbajin | cool That will work too. Figured it was worth a try to see how many people we can get ot just open bugs/bps anything to capture more detail than we get in the etherpad | 19:52 |
| raginbajin | The etherpad was a mess to try to go through. Its more of a comment pad than anything else, not much real use to take back from them | 19:52 |
| raginbajin | Any new business? | 19:53 |
| Rockyg | raginbajin, agreed. I've been trying to organize the infor from past sessions and its a pain in the butt | 19:53 |
| j^2 | nope, i’m good :D | 19:53 |
| Rockyg | But, having the links for filing bugs and bps at the top will get some notice | 19:53 |
| Rockyg | nada from me. | 19:53 |
| Rockyg | of course, if you guys have any log stuff in the osops repo, you could talk about it at the log wg meeting that's next (plug for that one) | 19:54 |
| raginbajin | cool Then I think we are good. Thanks guys for all the work. We get this much participation next time, it can officially be called a streak. | 19:54 |
| j^2 | +1 | 19:55 |
| Rockyg | :-) | 19:55 |
| raginbajin | YAY | 19:55 |
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| raginbajin | #endmeeting | 19:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 7 19:55:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-10-07-19.01.html | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-10-07-19.01.txt | 19:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/operators_ops_tools_monitoring/2015/operators_ops_tools_monitoring.2015-10-07-19.01.log.html | 19:55 |
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| jokke_ | Anyone here for Log WG meeting? | 20:01 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 20:02 |
| jokke_ | hey there | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | you run it today | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | and hey back1 | 20:02 |
| jokke_ | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | ^1^! | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 7 20:02:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jokke_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:02 |
| jokke_ | so sorry I'm bit out of shape what do we have in agenda today? | 20:03 |
| bknudson | hi | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | general info: wanted to make the group aware of an osops repository: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/osops-tools-logging/ | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | I haven't had time to put together an agenda in ages. | 20:04 |
| jokke_ | #info wanted to make the group aware of an osops repository: #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/osops-tools-logging/ | 20:04 |
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| jokke_ | me neither, sorry that's why I thought that I take topics on fly if people have something specific they want to bring up | 20:04 |
| jokke_ | if not I just set it to open | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | We need a chapter in the admin guide on log configuration | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | I still haven't talked to Lana about it. | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | the docs IRC has been real quiet when I'm out there. | 20:05 |
| jokke_ | or Rockyg is there something around the osops you wanna bring up other than the link? | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | Need to send an email | 20:06 |
| Rockyg | osops meets just before us. They have a launchpad site, etc. They are creating bps and bugs for ops tools | 20:06 |
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| jokke_ | ok | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | there could be synergy there for some of our stuff | 20:07 |
| jokke_ | sounds good | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | in our summit sessions we should let everyone know about the logging repo. Maybe we can get more scripts, etc in there and find a common thread to tackle for logging | 20:08 |
| jokke_ | logging repo? you mean oslo.log? | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | nope. The link above | 20:09 |
| jokke_ | oh ... tl;dr :P | 20:09 |
| jokke_ | didn't get to the last word of the link yet :P | 20:10 |
| Rockyg | more coffee!!! | 20:10 |
| jokke_ | yeah ... or few hours of sleep every now and then ;) | 20:10 |
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| Rockyg | question for both jokke_ and bknudson Are there debug messages in keystone and glance that should be converted to error warning or info? | 20:11 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: I don't think in Glance ... took me a cycle to go through those and I have tried to keep my eye for those in the reviews | 20:13 |
| jokke_ | might have missed some but nothing major at least | 20:13 |
| jokke_ | but there is one thing that is seriously starting to drive me crazy | 20:13 |
| Rockyg | I'm listening.... | 20:14 |
| jokke_ | that is the agreement that every wsgi request gets logged in info and we do that for healthcheck middleware as well | 20:14 |
| jokke_ | if you run logging on INFO level we generate over a gig of logs per day even when there is absolutely nothing else happening in the cluster than HAProxy pings | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | a gig just from glance???? | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | WTF | 20:15 |
| jokke_ | from both services API and Registry | 20:15 |
| jokke_ | and that applies on any other service as well which would be utilizing the oslo.middleware.healthcheck and being behind HAProxy | 20:16 |
| jokke_ | so I try to find time to figure out how to stop that and write a spec to move those logs to DEBUG | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | so, at least one isue is the oslo.middleware.healthcheck INFO level? | 20:17 |
| jokke_ | I don't think it's oslo.middleware logging it but rather the wsgi implementations ... or I'm not yet sure if that comes via the context, oslo.log or what actually logs those requests for us | 20:18 |
| jokke_ | but every single request gets logged on INFO and that includes healthchecks | 20:19 |
| Rockyg | ping Doug and ask him. He knows a bunch of that stuff and is usually around oslo. Actually, just ask on the #openstack-oslo IRC channel | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | That's a bug in my book. | 20:20 |
| jokke_ | yup ... when I get time to dig into that ... hopefully that will be before the Summit | 20:20 |
| jokke_ | or if not I figure out session there to bring it up ;) | 20:21 |
| bknudson | in keystone we're switching to running in apache, at which point the apache access logs would serve the purpose. | 20:21 |
| bknudson | as in, it's not a keystone thing anymore that's logging access it's apache or whatever the container is. | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | you know, Jay Pipes has a bug up his arse about wski and notifications. You might ping him..... | 20:22 |
| bknudson | does jay pipes ever not have a bug up his arse | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | ummmm | 20:23 |
| jokke_ | I'm not that familiar with Jay's arse, nor I want to be to know | 20:23 |
| Rockyg | I think they named it wsgi and pronounce it whiskey because you need a shot every time you have to deal with it | 20:24 |
| jokke_ | tru dat! | 20:24 |
| jokke_ | it's like we call the glance domain layer system onion layers because it gets you into tears every time you try to cut through it | 20:25 |
| Rockyg | ah! | 20:25 |
| Rockyg | another question for logging, guys.... | 20:26 |
| jokke_ | shoot | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | Lots of talk on lots of lists about api versions | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | is the version part of the log messages? | 20:26 |
| jokke_ | at least with wsgi yes | 20:26 |
| jokke_ | as the endpoint where the request got sent includes the version | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | cool | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | so, if a cloud claims they use glance v2 for everything, will the log message show that glance v1 was used when the border is crossed from nova? | 20:29 |
| jokke_ | well we know that nova calls only Images API v1 | 20:29 |
| jokke_ | regardless if it's nova itself or someone using the Nova Image API | 20:30 |
| jokke_ | as Nova does not (yet) have code in place to talk to Images API v2 | 20:30 |
| Rockyg | are there any glance v2 apis that flow through nova and/or cinder that require another glance api call? something like glance v2->nova--> glance v1? | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | so Clouds can expose only v2 for users but Nova will need access to v1 to work | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: no | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | Ah. Cool. | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | so users can be 100% v2 and since there are no external apis for glance v1, it's all under the covers | 20:32 |
| jokke_ | Glance does not call anything from Nova and not really from Cinder either as the cinder driver is not really in usable shape still | 20:32 |
| jokke_ | well there is no intended external usage for v1 but it's exposed on some clouds to users as external api | 20:33 |
| Rockyg | So glance is pretty much the endpoint for all glance stuff, but other projects call glance? | 20:34 |
| jokke_ | glance Images API or nova image api | 20:35 |
| Rockyg | I would love a real architectural diagram of flows that isn't in ascii diag :P | 20:35 |
| Rockyg | I need to read the docs. | 20:35 |
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| jokke_ | so big problem moving Nova to consume Images API v2 is that nova image api (which is the proxy api) depends on certain things in v1 that does not exist in v2 | 20:36 |
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| Rockyg | OK. I knew there was an issue, but it's nova<->glance, not user<->glance | 20:36 |
| jokke_ | mostly | 20:37 |
| Rockyg | and the issue with cinder? | 20:37 |
| jokke_ | I really don't know anything else than that Mike had some issues ... my crystal ball was booting at that time so I didn't get the notification before the rampage in the mailing list which wasn't any way constructive | 20:38 |
| Rockyg | Ah. Ok. | 20:39 |
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| Rockyg | And keystone v2/v3 what are those issues bknudson? | 20:40 |
| bknudson | Rockyg: I don't think there's any issues with v2/v3 anymore. | 20:40 |
| Rockyg | jokke_, also, does manila interact with glance that you're aware of? | 20:40 |
| bknudson | devstack was changed to use v3 exclusively | 20:40 |
| bknudson | and the goal is to deprecate v2 | 20:40 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: not that I know | 20:40 |
| Rockyg | bknudson, then it's just how to do the deprecation in defcore vs releases | 20:41 |
| bknudson | defcore shouldn't have anything for v2. | 20:41 |
| bknudson | considering v3 has been available for many releases | 20:41 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: that doesn't mean that defcore wouldn't be relying on it :P | 20:42 |
| hogepodge | bknudson: keystone v2/v3 was at the advice of keystone ptl | 20:42 |
| Rockyg | yeah. right now, they are talking about requiring both for a bit. But that doesn't make sense, either. | 20:42 |
| hogepodge | bknudson: that weighed heavily in that decision | 20:42 |
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| bknudson | if we have v2 in there it's hopefully only the token stuff | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | Defcore covers juno, kilo, liberty in the next version | 20:43 |
| bknudson | getting a token and validating a token | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | high hogepodge! | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | oops. Hi! | 20:43 |
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| Rockyg | would a user have any interaction with v2 in juno, I guess the question should be. | 20:44 |
| bknudson | we just added the v3 test to devstack and I think juno had some problems with v3 | 20:45 |
| jokke_ | iirc Glance just moved to even support v3 not so long ago :( | 20:45 |
| bknudson | what did glance have to do to support v3? | 20:46 |
| Rockyg | Ah. Then that's the issue. | 20:46 |
| bknudson | the cli? | 20:46 |
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| Rockyg | I think this cycle, we need to focus on advertising API changes to API clients. Otherwise, the old ones will never get removed and the new ones will never be fully accepted. | 20:47 |
| jokke_ | bknudson: I can't remember, I think it was the client | 20:48 |
| Rockyg | And what the hell does this have to do with logging except maybe a filter on the gate test logs to see whether deprecated apis are still in use in the testing | 20:49 |
| Rockyg | Clients seem to be the weak link in all of this. | 20:49 |
| bknudson | oslo_log.versionutils has a setting where you can make deprecated use raise exception rather than log a warning | 20:49 |
| jokke_ | I just remember that it wasn't all that long time ago I saw patch to unbreak after we had started to utilize the keystone v3 api | 20:49 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: you have good point there, but you started the discussion ;P | 20:50 |
| Rockyg | Yeah, I know. I'm gonna take it up with Matt Treinish at some point, so it's good info and how to make the logs more useful for this stuff.... | 20:51 |
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| Rockyg | So, that oslo_log.versionutils setting is something that should be documented for admins testing an upgrade | 20:52 |
| jokke_ | ok | 20:53 |
| Rockyg | more good info... | 20:53 |
| Rockyg | probably for monitoring, though. | 20:54 |
| jokke_ | probably | 20:54 |
| Rockyg | Sorry I'm all over the board today. Started antibiotics yesterday. sinus infection that needs to clear before I board the plane to Tokyo | 20:55 |
| jokke_ | ouch ... no worries | 20:55 |
| Rockyg | So, I really don't have anything else. Or at least can't remember it. I hope to have a doc with a summary of Ops issues/wishlist for the next meeting. Let you know. | 20:56 |
| jokke_ | ok last minutes ... anyone else? | 20:57 |
| jokke_ | ok, thanks all | 20:58 |
| jokke_ | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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| bknudson | thanks | 20:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 7 20:58:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-10-07-20.02.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-10-07-20.02.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-10-07-20.02.log.html | 20:58 |
| Rockyg | Thanks! Sorry for highjacking the meeting. | 20:58 |
| jokke_ | well no like we had any more important in the agenda either this week | 20:59 |
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