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| xichengc | #info Xicheng Chang | 00:56 |
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| wshao | #startmeeting Compass | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 27 01:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is wshao. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Compass)" | 01:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'compass' | 01:00 |
| wshao | #info Weidong | 01:00 |
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| wshao | Let's give a few minutes. | 01:01 |
| wshao | the main agenda is to check on Ansible status. | 01:01 |
| xichengc | OK | 01:01 |
| wshao | xichengc: do you know the current status? | 01:03 |
| xichengc | From my part, i have the parameters sorted out. | 01:04 |
| wshao | ok. ready to work on the adapter related conf changes? | 01:04 |
| xichengc | and will start writing metadata for the new adapter | 01:04 |
| xichengc | as well as adding adapters | 01:04 |
| wshao | ok cool. sounds good. | 01:04 |
| xichengc | but the adapter confs will still be written in the "old way" | 01:04 |
| wshao | that is fine. | 01:06 |
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| wshao | it is more important to have it in the workflow, making it easy to verify the actual deployment | 01:06 |
| xichengc | we should wait for baiguoku's update on his part... | 01:06 |
| wshao | ok. I will follow up on that. | 01:07 |
| xichengc | will he join us today? | 01:07 |
| wshao | For compass-ci, could you remove the failing job? | 01:07 |
| wshao | it triggers emails | 01:07 |
| xichengc | I have already removed the failing periodic jobs | 01:07 |
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| xichengc | now you only see the successful ones. | 01:08 |
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| xichengc | those failing jobs are based on old dev branch which was deprecated long time ago. | 01:08 |
| wshao | i see. | 01:08 |
| wshao | Is compass-ci all good now? with logs available? | 01:09 |
| wshao | i mean, available through public IPs | 01:10 |
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| xichengc | yes | 01:10 |
| wshao | all right, cool. | 01:10 |
| xichengc | http://12.234.32.108/logs/ | 01:10 |
| xichengc | you need to give status server and log server two domain names | 01:10 |
| wshao | I will add that. | 01:10 |
| xichengc | i also customized the zuul status page a little bit | 01:11 |
| xichengc | with compass logo and everything | 01:11 |
| xichengc | http://12.234.32.107/ | 01:11 |
| wshao | nice. | 01:11 |
| wshao | make sure everything is git-trackable | 01:11 |
| wshao | including the zuul config. | 01:12 |
| xichengc | yes, all the changes i made have been added to compass-core/project-config | 01:12 |
| wshao | meimei1: do you know the status of ansible (for kilo) testing status? | 01:13 |
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| meimei1 | the deployment of all-in-one is failure | 01:14 |
| chenshuai | #info chenshuai | 01:14 |
| meimei1 | said by xuhan | 01:14 |
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| wshao | ok. | 01:14 |
| meimei1 | I am not very familiar | 01:15 |
| wshao | do you know what the errors are? | 01:15 |
| xuhan | download galera db failed | 01:15 |
| xichengc | you mean the upstream os-ansible-deployment? | 01:15 |
| xuhan | yes | 01:15 |
| xichengc | is this the only problem? | 01:16 |
| wshao | For this type of errors, you could email us in the openstack-dev mailing list (with [Compass] prefix). or unicast to me. | 01:16 |
| wshao | i know Chef allows setting of a local repo, or we could do this at the OS installation step. add the local repo with high precedence | 01:17 |
| xuhan | previously problems has been resolved | 01:18 |
| wshao | xichengc: could you help on this offline? | 01:18 |
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| xichengc | what do you mean by "chef allows setting of a local repo"? | 01:18 |
| xichengc | you meant apt repo? | 01:19 |
| xichengc | for example? | 01:19 |
| xuhan | osad will git clone all openstack repo, at a slower speed. | 01:19 |
| wshao | chef provider allows custom repo setting, as I recall. But in Compass, we config this at the OS level. | 01:19 |
| xichengc | I see. | 01:19 |
| xichengc | i remember osad has the repo settings in conf files right? | 01:20 |
| xichengc | or hardcoded in tasks? | 01:20 |
| wshao | baigk: xichengc's question is for you | 01:20 |
| xichengc | or xuhan | 01:20 |
| wshao | ok. let's address the error after the meeting. | 01:22 |
| wshao | I do not have anything else on the agenda. anything else? | 01:22 |
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| xichengc | I do have something less prioritized though... | 01:23 |
| wshao | sure | 01:23 |
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| xichengc | if we have time, we should consider giving our 3rd testing suites(zuul, jenkins, gearman) the ability to avoid racing problems. | 01:24 |
| xichengc | for example, change A + master head works, change B+ master head works, but A+B+master head doesn't | 01:24 |
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| xichengc | zuul actually has the ability to run test against all pending changes to determine the potential failures. | 01:25 |
| wshao | i see. I am not familiar with this. please write in an email? | 01:25 |
| xichengc | but scalability could be a problem if we have many contributors. | 01:25 |
| xichengc | sure. | 01:25 |
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| baigk | xichengc: yes, it's in defaults/repo_packages/openstack_clients.yml | 01:26 |
| xichengc | thanks baigk | 01:26 |
| xichengc | we can discuss offline about this. | 01:27 |
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| xichengc | baigk | 01:29 |
| xichengc | can we have a short phone call after this? | 01:29 |
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| baigk | some tasks are very slow , like "download lxc","Build all known python packages requirements" and "Create a build report for all known packages within a release" | 01:30 |
| baigk | ok | 01:30 |
| xichengc | I will call you on espace | 01:30 |
| xichengc | anything other issues/questions/topics? | 01:31 |
| xichengc | especially from Shanghai team? | 01:31 |
| xichengc | countdown 5 | 01:31 |
| xichengc | countdown 4 | 01:32 |
| xichengc | countdown 3 | 01:32 |
| xichengc | countdown 2 | 01:32 |
| xichengc | countdown 1 | 01:32 |
| xichengc | #endmeeting | 01:32 |
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| xichengc | Thank you all. | 01:32 |
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| xichengc | Though I don't think I can end it. | 01:32 |
| xichengc | weidong is back on.. | 01:32 |
| wshao_ | Done? | 01:32 |
| xichengc | wshao_ please #endmeeting | 01:32 |
| xichengc | i am not allowed to | 01:33 |
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| wshao_ | #endmeeting | 01:36 |
| wshao_ | Will do it later | 01:36 |
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| wshao | #endmeeting | 01:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 27 01:43:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass/2015/compass.2015-08-27-01.00.html | 01:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass/2015/compass.2015-08-27-01.00.txt | 01:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/compass/2015/compass.2015-08-27-01.00.log.html | 01:43 |
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| nikhil_k | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk, bunting, dshakhray | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 27 14:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | #topic agenda | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:00 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| kairat | 0/ | 14:00 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:00 |
| bpoulos | o/ | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks jokke_ for setting the agenda for today! | 14:00 |
| GB21 | o/ | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 14:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:01 |
| sabari | o/ | 14:01 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: around? | 14:01 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:01 |
| bunting | o/ | 14:01 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil_k, he's on another meeting | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: I will let you give us some quick updates on artifacts if that's ok | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #topic updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:02 | |
| mfedosin | okay | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | #info artifacts updates | 14:02 |
| mfedosin | we finished the client | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | awesome | 14:03 |
| jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// o/7 ... amazing guys! | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | currently we got several comments and I'll fix them soon | 14:03 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: wooohoooo | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | also I finished fixing filtration issues | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | Alex tested murano client today and it works fine | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: are there any outstanding critical/high bugs to take care of at this point that may or may not be filed? | 14:04 |
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| mfedosin | I didn't notice them | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | perfect! | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | one issue with disabling api v3 by default | 14:04 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: and I saw you got your feature branch sorted out | 14:04 |
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| mfedosin | with grenade gate | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215709/ | 14:05 |
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| mfedosin | I wrote a message to Mr. Dague, but still have no response from him | 14:06 |
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| mfedosin | if you can please take a look how it can be fixed, please | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | looks like, the erros isn't evident | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | error* | 14:07 |
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| mfedosin | yep, it's somewhere inside shell scripts | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | exactly here https://github.com/openstack-dev/grenade/blob/master/inc/upgrade#L68 | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | we still have time, release process start tuesday sept 1 | 14:08 |
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| mfedosin | ff will be on sept 1 too? | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | I'm willing to say that we move grenade to non-voting if that's the way to merge it | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | ff should be Thu is that 3rd or so ... when L-3 is supposed to be tagged, no? | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | I don't think people are gunna like it | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | definitely it's the way :) | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | we don't have breaking features coming, so FF wasn't enforced. plus we have been careful with some of the proposals | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | I mean if we can't get our experimental API being disabled by default other means :P | 14:10 |
| mfedosin | I hope to find Mr.Dague and listen to his comments | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: email to ML to help rel-mgrs keep track | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | okay, will do | 14:11 |
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| jokke_ | thnx mfedosin | 14:11 |
| jokke_ | sounds good | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: is the API spec done? | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | we need to move on for now to give some time for other topics proposed earlier | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | Kairat is working on it | 14:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | please have them talk to the API-WG to speed this process up | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | sigmavirus24, so it will be done this week | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | sigmavirus24, I got you | 14:13 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic drivers updates | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "drivers updates (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:14 | |
| nikhil_k | As we discussed the two most likely specs: | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | 1. https://review.openstack.org/194868 | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | 2. https://review.openstack.org/177948 | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | 1 needs some work and 2 looks in good shape | 14:14 |
| flaper87 | The spec for 2 landed | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | the code seems to be updated | 14:15 |
| jokke_ | brilliant | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | we need reviews on | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Brianna+Poulos%22+status:open+project:openstack/glance,n,z | 14:15 |
| flaper87 | Given the fact that we're 2 weeks away from FF, should we still be considering mergint new specs? | 14:15 |
| * flaper87 should probably keep that for next drivers' meeting | 14:15 | |
| flaper87 | tl;dr: I think specs should be frozen by now | 14:16 |
| bpoulos | nikhil_k: thanks | 14:16 |
| * flaper87 stfu | 14:16 | |
| nikhil_k | I think both of these are very well discussed and the second one is quite updated. So, they are unikely to cause more trouble. | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | bpoulos: great work, btw | 14:16 |
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| bpoulos | flaper87: thanks :) | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | folks, about swift driver. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207075/ | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | kudos bpoulos ... that looks good | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: I agree about Image signing, lets move that forward | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | I'm worried about the spec that hasn't been merged, regardless of how much it's been discussed. | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | I think I'll publish the code next week | 14:16 |
| bpoulos | jokke_: thank you to you too | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | but lets keep that for next week's meeting | 14:16 |
| mclaren | mfedosin: looking at the swift driver spec is on my todo list | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: jokke_ and I had a chat on the store and client proposals | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | mclaren, thanks! | 14:17 |
| mclaren | mfedosin: I chatted with a swift core about it yesterday | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | it seems unlikely for us to consider releases for store so the specs related to that haven't been top priority | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | these are the results of testing https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/multithreaded-swift-tests | 14:17 |
| mclaren | we have numbers? awesome! | 14:18 |
| mfedosin | there is no hurry to merge it liberty, and i'm ok to postpone it to M | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: we will need the feature release of glance_store we carve stable/liberty out | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | we need to take care of these features after stable is cut | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: and that should be done well before we have release out | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: we may be able to do this before M starts | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: right | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: ++ | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | mclaren, yes, in average we have 2,5-3 times upload boost | 14:19 |
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| flaper87 | jokke_: probably even before FF | 14:19 |
| mfedosin | and about 20-30% download | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | ok, if nothing critical on these topics, we need to move on | 14:20 |
| mfedosin | I think we should test the driver properly on scale before merge | 14:20 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: store is not that big of an problem as glance is only consumer. But we need to have requirements for that stable release version set by rc1 | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Oslo freezing | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Oslo freezing (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:20 | |
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| flaper87 | jokke_: it's not, I agree. But having an established workflow would be nice | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: that's you? ^ | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: it'd be even nicer to follow it | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:21 |
| mclaren | mfedosin: where the images segmented in swift? | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: yeah | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | it's actually this week | 14:21 |
| jokke_ | and that was more informational | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | let me talk about established workflow, appripriate patchesm, review etc once Liberty is out. can't wait. Particularly security risks introduced | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | just heads up this is happening so we need to keep eye on reuqirement changes | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | so unless questions, next! ;) | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | I've been ninja-approving requirements the whole cycle | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | FYI | 14:23 |
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| flaper87 | after I saw them piling up | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: I think we need to delegate all requirement change to rel-mgrs | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:23 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil_k: fine by me | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | all those need to be handled by them only | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: that seems to be only way to get them in | 14:24 |
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| nikhil_k | as they shouldn't break other projects | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | any +2s gets thrown away by new proposal before +a | 14:24 |
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| nikhil_k | any breaking change would be the blame of single person if not collab with rel-mgrs. it was a big headache last cycle | 14:25 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Feature freeze | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feature freeze (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:25 | |
| nikhil_k | The only two safe features are pointed above | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | if there is something to bring up, this is the right time to consider everyone's feedback | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: so those two and bugfixes are our top 1 from today onwards? | 14:27 |
| jcook | what about the buffered reader change...let me grab linky | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | artifacts obviously will live their own life for now | 14:27 |
| mfedosin | and also I want to discuss my suggestion with token expiration | 14:28 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199049/ | 14:28 |
| jcook | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120866/ | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | jcook: that may go depending on whether we afford to create store rel after it merges | 14:28 |
| flaper87 | note that feature freeze is a dead line for new features | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | not bug fixes | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | the spec itself looks good and is tried and tested change. it's a contained effort as well and likely not to break the world | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | bug fixes can still land | 14:29 |
| mfedosin | should I right a spec on this proposal? | 14:29 |
| jcook | mfedosin: +1 to having that as a thing | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: let's discuss that later. I doubt it but good to consider the impact | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | *write | 14:30 |
| jcook | mfedosin: the fix (not necessarily a spec) | 14:30 |
| mfedosin | nikhil_k, sure | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | #topic glanceclient feature/artifacts branch | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glanceclient feature/artifacts branch (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:31 | |
| jokke_ | that was me again :P | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: please no | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | So in short I'd like to propose that we let artifact guys merge to the branch by their own convenience to keep it moving | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | I think the point of FastTrack was to maintain project wide awareness | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | and yet enabled faster workflow on artifacts particularly | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | enable( | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: fair enough ... and I think that's really important on the glance where the code merges to the master | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | +! | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | but it was just a thought ... I have no problem pushing the button on client :D | 14:33 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | If we do that, we should first release the client so we can create the liberty branch from that tag w/o artifacts | 14:33 |
| mfedosin | currently this branch lives on its own :) | 14:33 |
| nikhil_k | yep | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: artifacts are not part of liberty release | 14:33 |
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| flaper87 | jokke_: I know | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | that's what I said | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:34 |
| mfedosin | and afaik all this code will be moved to muranoclient | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | that was the whole point of the feature/artifacts branch :D | 14:34 |
| flaper87 | or at least tried to | 14:34 |
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| mfedosin | I vote for allowing us to merge our code, of course | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: I do undertand that you guys have priorities there as well, but I'm seriously expecting you to keep that feature branch up to date ... I'm happily -2'ing any syncs from muranoclient to glanceclient when we're bringing artifacts finally in ;) | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | can we discuss this when mitaka dev starts? | 14:35 |
| mfedosin | flaper87, sure | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | but I'm really happy to keep the workflow as it is for that branch as well as there is conserns | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: let's not. it wont be worthy | 14:36 |
| ativelkov | jokke_: we don't plan to sync anything from murano to glance | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: thanks ;) | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | #topic python-glanceclient release | 14:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python-glanceclient release (Meeting topic: glance)" | 14:37 | |
| jokke_ | ok to the sore point of the day | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: ^ | 14:37 |
| mclaren | ok, I guess it's good to talk through this | 14:37 |
| mclaren | A couple of points | 14:38 |
| mclaren | First, I think a 1.0.0 release is not just-another-release | 14:38 |
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| mclaren | we should try and squash any bugs which we don't think belong in a 1.0.0 | 14:38 |
| mclaren | would it be possible to do something like tag client bugs we'd like to see fixed in 1.0.0? | 14:39 |
| mclaren | burn through them, and then release? | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | I sorta agree there but we are in a catch22 here | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: is there something critical still pending? I don't know if you have looked into the release notes review, but there is quite a bunch of bugfixes currently going in | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | I think 1.0.0 should be pretty solid | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | I believe the thing concerning mclaren is the v1 -> v2 change | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | am I correct? | 14:40 |
| mclaren | there's about 5 or 6 things I' personally suggest | 14:40 |
| flaper87 | Is there something else? | 14:40 |
| mclaren | It feels like we're rushing it a bit. For example | 14:41 |
| mclaren | I think we should be going through the commands and figuring out where the backwards non-compatabilities are | 14:41 |
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| jokke_ | mclaren: I'm also really disappointed about the fact that I personally gave you heads up 2 days ago when Nikhil sent that e-mail out, and you expressed your concerns publicly an hour before scheduled release | 14:41 |
| mclaren | so that when we notify the community it's easier for them to understand when they need to make changes | 14:42 |
| mclaren | and, if possible, what the change should look like | 14:42 |
| mclaren | I also think we need to give the other projects some time to update their scripts | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | i agree with jokke_ that the timing of the objection isn't ideal, but i also agree with mclaren that a change that breaks triple-O is problematic | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | so, figuring out back-compat should not be a problem to be sorted out in glance | 14:43 |
| mclaren | releasing this and breaking several things (we haven't done the audit to figure out what breaks, or notified others so they can do it) | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: so do you think the projects that has had almost 6 months time to adjust their scripts would do it in next six if we wait again? | 14:44 |
| mclaren | would cause some consternation | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | FWIW, we've already broken puppet because they run on trunk, I believe | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | "broken" | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | as long as we rel as per semantics that suggest so | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | One more thing, stable branches are capped, someone running Kilo shouldn't be consuming 1.0 | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | stable branches' requirements* | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: no, they're broken because one part of them runs trunk another releases | 14:44 |
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| flaper87 | jokke_: what did I say? | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | anyway | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | I think breaking backwards compatibility with this release cannot be avoided but communicating the change properly is important | 14:45 |
| mclaren | Agreed | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:46 |
| mclaren | I think there may be some things we'd want to consider before 1.0.0, for example | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | However, I'd like this release to be part of Liberty and not wait until Mitaka | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | Who can take the action item for figuring out all the projects that break because of this and fix it before a set date? | 14:46 |
| mclaren | there are ~30 metadef commands that show up when you just type 'glance' | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: mclaren can :P | 14:47 |
| mclaren | I think it would be neater to move those to sub-commands under a single 'metadef' command. That becomes harder to do if we're not on a major version bump | 14:47 |
| * flaper87 ducks | 14:47 | |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: that's not our job. Our job is to communicate this. | 14:47 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: +1 about metadefs ... iirc, the metadefs sub-team did not object to that | 14:48 |
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| mclaren | I think we need to allow people to tag bugs for 1.0.0 and then negotiate what folks think are reasonable | 14:48 |
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| nikhil_k | ok, who can figure out what all modes of communication we need to adopt besides rel notes that other projects rely on? | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | Can we start by sending an email to the OPs mailing list and os-dev ? | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | I believe those 2 are enough | 14:48 |
| mclaren | while we're doing that we can send a mail to the ml - with a deadline | 14:49 |
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| flaper87 | and mention it'll be released as part of "Liberty" | 14:49 |
| mclaren | so actions: | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | so, if we postpone for such changes then this won't happen in liberty afaict | 14:49 |
| mclaren | 1. identify incompatabilies 2. communicate them 3. tag bugs 4. fix bugs 5. release | 14:50 |
| jokke_ | just to be realistic here there is lots of things that would be nice to have, but either we do this release in fairly near future or we make the call to postpone the 1.0.0 release. The later case means that we ask rel management to cut our stable/liberty branch from 0.19.0 and backport the bugfixes needed | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | That looks neat approach mclaren ! And I can settle with it if we hanve't made a prior commitment for rel with v2 as default | 14:51 |
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| flaper87 | I think 1, 2 and 3 gotta happen this week | 14:52 |
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| flaper87 | well, it's Thu. | 14:53 |
| rosmaita | here's a start on the email: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glanceclient-1.0.0-warning | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | or the order of action can be 1. rel notes (high level changes) 2. do in parallel (critical bugs, tagging, identifying incompat and raising on ML as they are found) | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | the problem with the client is that we're not the only consumers (or we do not consume it at all) so we need to give time to the projects depending on us to identify the bugs that the release will bring up | 14:53 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: and 5. early next | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | client rel needs to happen this week | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | otherwise rel-mgrs will most likely not agree as it breaks the world | 14:53 |
| mclaren | it just feels we're rushing this too much | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: that's my expectation as well | 14:54 |
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| nikhil_k | Like I mentioned this before, we have a conflicting push equally strong requirement for release and no-release. So, let's start with ML. | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: thus either we release, collect the feedback and get the bugs fixed so we have something shiny to start M cycle or we keep 0.19.0 as our last feature release of the client | 14:55 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: right | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | I need to given some time for store rel | 14:55 |
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| jokke_ | for liberty I mean, not for infinite :P | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | we can continue client convo on -glance | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | #topic glance_store release | 14:55 |
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| mclaren | I'm not sure it's a great idea but we could switch master back to v1 (temporarily) and release that | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: no, please. | 14:56 |
| rosmaita | mclaren: i think that sends the wrong message | 14:56 |
| mclaren | okok | 14:56 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:56 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: anything imp on store? | 14:57 |
| nikhil_k | jcook: wanna raise anything here? | 14:57 |
| jcook | nikhil_k: hi | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: this was here just to remind folks that we need to do the feature release for _store as well to get the requirement update done | 14:57 |
| jcook | I have a few tickets that we'd like to get in for liberty | 14:57 |
| jokke_ | and basis where we cut our stable branch | 14:57 |
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| jcook | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170104/ | 14:58 |
| jcook | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196240/ | 14:58 |
| jcook | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217370/ | 14:58 |
| jcook | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207075/ | 14:58 |
| jcook | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199049/ | 14:58 |
| jcook | some mfedosin raised already | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | jcook: jokke_ is our stability liaison and is being stringent on what we can get in to avoid breakage. Now, we don't want to break the world but store is just being consumed by glance, not sure if horizon yet. | 14:59 |
| jcook | oh...this is glance store discussion not oopen discussion | 14:59 |
| jcook | sorry | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: Can we have an etherpad with the reviews we should focus on ? | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | as said bugfixes are not in rush yet | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | but we need to be feature complete soon | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | FF is just for features, not bug fixes | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-liberty-3-reviews | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | Feature Freeze (FF) | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: danke | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | we are out of time! | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | thanks all! | 15:00 |
| mclaren | thanks | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | thanks! | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmetting | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 27 15:00:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-08-27-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-08-27-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-08-27-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT: hi | 15:00 |
| TravT | hi nikhil_k | 15:01 |
| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 27 15:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
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| TravT | we'll wait a minute or two. | 15:01 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 15:01 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:01 |
| sjmc7 | o/ | 15:02 |
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| TravT | nikhil_k is sigmavirus24 around today? | 15:02 |
| TravT | didn't see his name in latter part of glance meeting | 15:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | yes sorry | 15:02 |
| TravT | oh good | 15:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | $work is keeping me distracted | 15:02 |
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| TravT | $ugh | 15:02 |
| TravT | ok agenda here: | 15:03 |
| TravT | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
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| TravT | #Mitaka Summit Sessions | 15:03 |
| TravT | #topic Mitaka Summit Sessions | 15:03 |
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| TravT | so, first of all, we did get a main conference session accepted | 15:04 |
| TravT | https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/51d3ca10844052e650c130eebe7264f9#.Vd8ji9NVhBd | 15:04 |
| TravT | If others are interested in being a part of that, let's talk later. | 15:04 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:04 |
| TravT | hi rosmaita | 15:04 |
| TravT | so, thierry sent out a meeting saying we have to put in a requests for session by August 31st | 15:05 |
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| TravT | Requests for fishbowls vs workrooms vs contributors meetups. | 15:05 |
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| TravT | there are less sessions overall available for vancouver | 15:06 |
| rosmaita | we should prob ask for 1 of each? | 15:06 |
| TravT | and less fishbowls. | 15:06 |
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| TravT | yesterday in the horizon meeting, i put up a topic to have a joint horizon / searchlight session | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | contributor meetup we can organize elsewhere if we have to. fishbowl would be good in case other people are interested in getting involved | 15:07 |
| TravT | david-lyle supported it. thanks david-lyle | 15:07 |
| TravT | other horizoner's seemed good with it. | 15:07 |
| rosmaita | sjmc7: +1 | 15:07 |
| TravT | the fishbowls are advertised. | 15:08 |
| sjmc7 | right | 15:08 |
| TravT | so, it might bring in cores from other projects | 15:08 |
| TravT | we'd want them to help review plugins, even if we develop them. | 15:08 |
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| rosmaita | TravT: +1 | 15:09 |
| TravT | it also might be 3 of us staring at each other in a big room. | 15:09 |
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| TravT | :P | 15:09 |
| rosmaita | we're not so bad on the eyes | 15:10 |
| TravT | lol | 15:10 |
| sjmc7 | yeah.... i suspect there'll be less people there than vancouver | 15:10 |
| rosmaita | Searchlight: the best-looking project | 15:10 |
| TravT | sweet! | 15:10 |
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| lakshmiS | we need to invite one core from each project to write a plugin for us :) | 15:10 |
| TravT | if we have a fishbowl, it would need to have a good topic... not just a presentation. that's what our main session presentation will be about. | 15:10 |
| ekarlso | oii guys | 15:10 |
| TravT | o/ ekarlso | 15:11 |
| ekarlso | hmm, I can maybe do a plugin for Cue also | 15:11 |
| ekarlso | seeing that i've worked on that | 15:11 |
| rosmaita | i like lakshmiS idea: deep dive into Searchlight plugins? | 15:11 |
| TravT | that would make sense. | 15:11 |
| lakshmiS | at the least be a SME for that project and talk to us | 15:11 |
| TravT | and we could send an invite to each project team seeing if 1 person could attend. | 15:12 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, that's a good idea | 15:12 |
| TravT | ok, so here's what I think is current summary: | 15:12 |
| TravT | Request: | 15:12 |
| TravT | 1 fishbowl: Topic to deep dive into plugins and invite SME from each project | 15:13 |
| TravT | 1 Working session for us: (possible ideal topic is multi-region searching) | 15:13 |
| TravT | 1 Shared session with horizon | 15:13 |
| sjmc7 | works for me | 15:14 |
| TravT | should we request the contributors meetup slot as well? | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | depends how many of us there'll be there | 15:14 |
| TravT | yeah. | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | if it's 3 of us staring at each other, i at least want to be in a pub | 15:15 |
| TravT | and how if overlaps with the other projects | 15:15 |
| TravT | i think we'll need more time to talk than one working session, but we can try to meet informally as well. | 15:15 |
| TravT | i want to be respectful of the many projects needing slots | 15:16 |
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| rosmaita | +1 to pub, +1 to multiregion searching session | 15:17 |
| TravT | maybe i'll add in a request for one more working session but not a request for contributors meetup. we'll do that after hours. | 15:17 |
| TravT | 1 fishbowl, 2 working sessions, 1 joint session with horizon. | 15:18 |
| david-lyle | I would expect most of us have conflicts for contributors meetup, so that makes sense | 15:18 |
| TravT | That may be more than we can get. | 15:18 |
| TravT | okay, going once | 15:18 |
| TravT | twice | 15:18 |
| TravT | sold | 15:19 |
| TravT | #action TravT send session summit request to ttx | 15:19 |
| TravT | #topic Liberty 3 Deadlines | 15:19 |
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| TravT | As usual, end of cycle is upon us, which means at least two things. | 15:20 |
| TravT | People are getting frantic | 15:20 |
| TravT | Zuul jobs are taking a long time | 15:20 |
| TravT | Feature Freeze: September 3rd | 15:20 |
| TravT | RCs Start: September 21st | 15:20 |
| TravT | Final RC September 9th | 15:20 |
| TravT | I sent an email to thierry seeking advice on how we should handle things | 15:21 |
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| TravT | Here are some snippets: | 15:21 |
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| TravT | Given how new Searchlight is at this point, I'd say you don't really | 15:21 |
| TravT | need to enforce a strict feature freeze. If you do, it's a tool to | 15:21 |
| TravT | reduce the risk of introducing regressions by selecting which commits are acceptable as you get closer to the end of the dev cycle. | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | that seems sensible | 15:22 |
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| TravT | I also asked about numbering scheme. As you all probably know, OpenStack is moving to new scheme | 15:22 |
| TravT | x.x.x | 15:22 |
| TravT | many will be at 8.0.0 | 15:23 |
| TravT | in liberty | 15:23 |
| TravT | but thierry said: | 15:23 |
| TravT | I'd say the first release should be 1.0.0. If it's barely functional, | 15:23 |
| TravT | you could even number it 0.1.0. Your choice really. | 15:23 |
| TravT | I'm not sure of all the ramifications of choosing one vs the other. | 15:23 |
| lakshmiS | 0.1.0 seems like beta | 15:24 |
| nikhil_k | 0.1.0 | 15:24 |
| nikhil_k | seems better | 15:24 |
| lakshmiS | would horizon use it if its 0.1.0 | 15:24 |
| nikhil_k | but then the rel versioning is being matched with cycle afaik | 15:24 |
| david-lyle | the version # doesn't change the level of functionality | 15:24 |
| nikhil_k | like first cycle of incubation was 1.0.0 but not sure if true for all prj | 15:25 |
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| david-lyle | lakshmiS: I would prefer it to come in as a plugin until more mature, honestly | 15:25 |
| nikhil_k | rel-mgrs can better suggest the versioning coherent with os projs | 15:25 |
| david-lyle | but horizon is trying to reduce scope | 15:25 |
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| TravT | david-lyle plugin external to horizon repo or not? i think we always talked about it being a plugin, but you initially suggested still being in horizon repo. | 15:26 |
| david-lyle | TravT: I'd be ok with it in /contrib | 15:26 |
| TravT | a plugin panel is easy. | 15:27 |
| TravT | but plugin search provider for APIs for various tables and global top nav, is a bit diff | 15:27 |
| david-lyle | TravT: I agree, there are some extensibility hooks needed | 15:28 |
| david-lyle | we can take this offline | 15:28 |
| TravT | okay. | 15:28 |
| david-lyle | but my argument is to horizon the version # is not important | 15:28 |
| david-lyle | better to set valid expectations, IMO | 15:28 |
| TravT | the point of this topic is actually for us to set a release cadence | 15:29 |
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| david-lyle | so let's pop two levels :) | 15:29 |
| TravT | There are various tags for this in OpenStack governance | 15:29 |
| TravT | https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/release_independent.rst | 15:29 |
| TravT | https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/release_cycle-with-milestones.rst | 15:30 |
| TravT | https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/release_cycle-with-intermediary.rst | 15:30 |
| TravT | https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/release_managed.rst | 15:30 |
| TravT | A lot to read through there | 15:31 |
| TravT | https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/tags/release_has-stable-branches.rst | 15:31 |
| rosmaita | i will admit i have only read the first one, but release:independent sounds good to me, at least to start with | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | for where the project is, I think independent makes sense | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | then move to align with release cycle with milestones as it matures | 15:32 |
| rosmaita | are there any bad implications of that? we can always change later, right? | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | rosmaita: the only one I can think of is packaging | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | most distros would likely not include searchlight with 8.0.0 | 15:33 |
| rosmaita | gotcha | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | but that may be ok for 0.1.0 ?? | 15:33 |
| TravT | a certain company i'm affiliated with is wanting to include it in a release sooner than later | 15:34 |
| david-lyle | that's a knife that cuts both ways | 15:34 |
| rosmaita | what would our plan be, then ... 0.1.0, 0.2.0, 0.3.0 and then immediately 9.0.0 ? to make the packaging work, i mean | 15:34 |
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| david-lyle | that's a better transition than 1.0.0 2.0.0 9.0.0 | 15:36 |
| TravT | I think we should target releases for the end of cycles. but, i like the idea of releasing intermediate releases at our own cadence. | 15:36 |
| david-lyle | Ironic and Swift are the only two mainstream projects that have independent release cycle | 15:36 |
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| TravT | this initial release perhaps should be sub-1.0 though | 15:37 |
| david-lyle | but they are standalone as well | 15:37 |
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| nikhil_k | agree | 15:37 |
| TravT | i would not want to have to be held to a perfect API until we've actually integrated several searches from horizon | 15:37 |
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| david-lyle | but a lot of early project start with independent | 15:37 |
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| david-lyle | it gives us more flexibility | 15:38 |
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| david-lyle | just suggestions | 15:38 |
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| TravT | but we need a release to even let packagers start looking at the project, i believe | 15:39 |
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| TravT | let's revisit this in next weeks meeting, but please look through those release tags | 15:39 |
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| TravT | right now, the summary of this discussion seems to be people leaning toward 0.1.0 for first release, timed with liberty. | 15:40 |
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| rosmaita | so what we're looking for is a tag that indicates not-yet-ready-for-prime-time but nonetheless worthy of being included in a distro | 15:41 |
| nikhil_k | I think that;s the right message | 15:41 |
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| nikhil_k | but I think there;s value to double check if we are communicating when our project got incubated with a number of particular style | 15:41 |
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| TravT | although | 15:42 |
| TravT | if I read ttx's language again | 15:42 |
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| TravT | I'd say the first release should be 1.0.0. If it's barely functional, | 15:42 |
| TravT | you could even number it 0.1.0. Your choice really. | 15:42 |
| nikhil_k | yeah | 15:42 |
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| TravT | i don't like the implication that 0.1.0 is barely functional | 15:42 |
| TravT | but, that said it has not been tested at scale. | 15:42 |
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| rosmaita | what would 0.9.9 mean? | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | ha | 15:43 |
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| TravT | based on glanceClient discussions, it would mean 5 years in and still not releasable to 1.0? | 15:43 |
| TravT | :P | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | means, we had some alpha rel that never released | 15:43 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT: I doubt it. py-client consumers run legacy code | 15:44 |
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| nikhil_k | that's why slowness in upgrade to rel numbers | 15:44 |
| TravT | nikhil_k: just a joke :) | 15:44 |
| nikhil_k | we should ensure our plugin adopters stick to upstream | 15:44 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT: heh | 15:44 |
| TravT | after watching some of last meeting | 15:45 |
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| nikhil_k | (continuing TravT )... feels like there are sad stories to tell | 15:45 |
| TravT | #action All to read release tags. We'll revisit this next week | 15:45 |
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| TravT | #topic review process | 15:46 |
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| TravT | Thank you everybody for the time on Tuesday | 15:46 |
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| TravT | I thought that went really well and we made good progress | 15:46 |
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| sjmc7 | yeah, it was good to have everyone together | 15:46 |
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| TravT | would anybody be available for another hour next Tuesday or Wednesday for similar activities. | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | ++ | 15:47 |
| TravT | same bat cave same bat time | 15:47 |
| TravT | ? | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | this tuesday starts liberty-3 rel (fyi) | 15:47 |
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| nikhil_k | fyi -- madness begins, bugs fixes, tagging, gate etc | 15:47 |
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| TravT | so, are you suggesting a different day? | 15:48 |
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| nikhil_k | earlier or later might help more | 15:48 |
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| nikhil_k | gate would be more reliable and faster | 15:48 |
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| TravT | lakshmiS, you have one of the tougher schedules being in India. | 15:49 |
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| TravT | do you have any suggestions? | 15:49 |
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| lakshmiS | around this time any day is fine with me | 15:50 |
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| nikhil_k | that was just some information, being independent of the gate also works :) | 15:50 |
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| TravT | #vote (what day next week works best for another hour review session) ? mon, tue, wed, thur, fri | 15:51 |
| TravT | guess that didn't work. | 15:51 |
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| nikhil_k | startvote | 15:52 |
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| rosmaita | while y'all are discussing times, what is the general feeling about stable branches? or do we think people should always use the most recent? i am inclined to the latter, since we're heavily tied to an external project | 15:52 |
| rosmaita | sorry, didn't mean to interrupt the vote | 15:52 |
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| nikhil_k | rosmaita: since this will be our first rel | 15:52 |
| TravT | #startvote (what day next week works best for another hour review session) ? mon, tue, wed, thur, fri | 15:52 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: (what day next week works best for another hour review session) ? Valid vote options are mon, tue, wed, thur, fri. | 15:52 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:52 |
| nikhil_k | we won't need a stable branch at this point | 15:52 |
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| rosmaita | nikhil_k: right, but i mean for "the future" | 15:53 |
| TravT | nikhil_k +1 i would vote against stable vote until M | 15:53 |
| nikhil_k | #vote fri | 15:53 |
| david-lyle | #vote any | 15:53 |
| openstack | david-lyle: any is not a valid option. Valid options are mon, tue, wed, thur, fri. | 15:53 |
| lakshmiS | #vote thu | 15:53 |
| openstack | lakshmiS: thu is not a valid option. Valid options are mon, tue, wed, thur, fri. | 15:53 |
| lakshmiS | #vote thur | 15:54 |
| david-lyle | no but my point was made openstack | 15:54 |
| TravT | lol | 15:54 |
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| rosmaita | what time are we thinking? | 15:54 |
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| sjmc7 | :) any day is ok for me | 15:54 |
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| TravT | 7 PT, 8PT, 9PT i'd think would be some options | 15:55 |
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| nikhil_k | yeah, actually except tue and thur, others work for me | 15:55 |
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| TravT | #endvote | 15:55 |
| openstack | Voted on "(what day next week works best for another hour review session) ?" Results are | 15:55 |
| openstack | fri (1): nikhil_k | 15:55 |
| openstack | thur (1): lakshmiS | 15:55 |
| rosmaita | #vote wed | 15:55 |
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| TravT | I'll send something out. | 15:56 |
| TravT | running out of time. | 15:56 |
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| TravT | So, I listed several items in the agenda | 15:56 |
| david-lyle | so question, has anyone deployed searchlight on an environment for a period of time? | 15:56 |
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| TravT | beta ran in HOS env for a number of weeks pre-liberty. | 15:57 |
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| TravT | but none of the recent stuff | 15:57 |
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| david-lyle | would be good validation before release | 15:57 |
| TravT | we just had a discussion with our mgmt who said they could have some people help with things like that. | 15:57 |
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| nikhil_k | no luck here yet | 15:58 |
| TravT | good idea david-lyle | 15:58 |
| TravT | #topic reviews | 15:58 |
| david-lyle | TravT: great | 15:58 |
| rosmaita | i agree | 15:58 |
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| TravT | Several on agenda | 15:58 |
| TravT | will highlight one | 15:58 |
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| TravT | Please, look at nova plugin | 15:58 |
| nikhil_k | nova? | 15:58 |
| TravT | Nova instances plugin https://review.openstack.org/198852 | 15:58 |
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| nikhil_k | I started it but couldn't finish review | 15:58 |
| TravT | i beat up steve quite a bit now | 15:58 |
| sjmc7 | i feel bruised | 15:59 |
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| TravT | There are others to review and some bugs to triage. will copy paste here | 15:59 |
| TravT | Bug review (Please add any bugs needing attention below) https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight | 15:59 |
| TravT | Critical & High | 15:59 |
| TravT | Sorting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206268/ | 15:59 |
| TravT | Other | 15:59 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210759/ | 15:59 |
| TravT | Needs Triage | 15:59 |
| TravT | Glance images not searchable after update notification: https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1486781 | 16:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1486781 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Glance images not searchable after update notification" [Undecided,New] | 16:00 |
| TravT | Sorting name fields does not behave as expected: https://bugs.launchpad.net/searchlight/+bug/1488236 | 16:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1488236 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Sorting name fields does not behave as expected" [Undecided,New] | 16:00 |
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| TravT | Blueprint review (Please add any blueprints needing attention below) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight | 16:00 |
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| TravT | Essential & High | 16:00 |
| TravT | Nova instances plugin https://review.openstack.org/198852 | 16:00 |
| TravT | Designate Plugin https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199099/ | 16:00 |
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| TravT | Ok, thanks everybody! | 16:00 |
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| nikhil_k | thanks! | 16:00 |
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| TravT | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 27 16:00:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-08-27-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-08-27-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-08-27-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| cloudnull | startmeeting | 16:00 |
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| nikhil_k | # missing :) | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | hahaha | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 27 16:01:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cloudnull. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:01 |
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| cloudnull | that worked better. | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | thank nikhil_k :) | 16:01 |
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| nikhil_k | :) | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:01 |
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| cloudnull | who's all here? | 16:01 |
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| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:02 |
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| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 16:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | mooo. | 16:02 |
| evrardjp | yop | 16:02 |
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| palendae | o/ | 16:02 |
| Apsu | o/ | 16:02 |
| serverascode | o/ (just listening in) | 16:02 |
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| cloudnull | #chair odyssey4me | 16:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cloudnull odyssey4me | 16:03 |
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| cloudnull | o/ everybody :) | 16:03 |
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| cloudnull | ok lets get started we have a bit to cover today . | 16:03 |
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| cloudnull | #topic Liberty Release Blueprints (note dependencies) | 16:03 |
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| cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/liberty | 16:03 |
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| cloudnull | three are quite a few des inflight right now. | 16:04 |
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| cloudnull | odyssey4me: you might have a better understanding of where we are at this right now.. | 16:04 |
| odyssey4me | yep, so we have some in flight | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | including | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/remove-upstream-repo-dependency | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/compartmentalize-rabbitmq | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/upgrade-mariadb-v10 | 16:05 |
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| odyssey4me | then we have a spec for | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/liberty-3 # issues in progress as well for lib-3 | 16:05 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/liberty-upgrade-path | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | this bug is pretty key to sort out soon | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1486593 | 16:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1486593 in openstack-ansible trunk "Neutron db migration issue in master" [Critical,New] | 16:06 |
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| odyssey4me | I know that mattt has been working on that, but I think someone may need to take it over from him. | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | i think so too. | 16:07 |
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| cloudnull | idk if i have time work it at this point so someone needs to run point. | 16:07 |
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| cloudnull | this is a migration issue and may not be a major issues / problem however it would be great to be able to leverage some of the soft upgrade processes. | 16:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i dont have time for it either :/ | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | it is neutrony, however. | 16:08 |
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| odyssey4me | mattt may need to pick it up again next week - I know that he's been chatting to the neutron team to figure out a better way to facilitate the upgrades | 16:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | neutron needs some other changes for liberty | 16:08 |
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| evrardjp | Sam-I-Am: what do you mean, is it planned in the spec? | 16:09 |
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| odyssey4me | I'll chat to him next week and figure out a plan of action for neutron upgrades in the plays. | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | the issue is that the upgrade process for neutron has changed somewhat | 16:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | evrardjp: there's a lot of changes to neutron in liberty outside of the db | 16:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | not for this conversation | 16:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | just a note | 16:09 |
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| odyssey4me | it gives some nice new features, but there isn't an easy way to parse the tool output to figure out whether an jupgrade is needed | 16:09 |
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| cloudnull | also Sam-I-Am: these "other changes" is that something that you may be able to raise on the ML so that we can target what we want to do accordingly without spelling it out here in this meeting ? | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | it has multiple branches now, and you need to verify several things before you decide what to do | 16:10 |
| evrardjp | it's important because it could be part of the liberty readiness, which means it has to be known for the spec | 16:10 |
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| evrardjp | sorry for my intervention if not relevant | 16:10 |
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| cloudnull | not at all evrardjp, its relevant . | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | for now, just add an action item for me to pick this up with mattt next week | 16:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | bbl | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | #action follow up with mattt regarding neutron changes | 16:12 |
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| cloudnull | #action Sam-I-Am to drop note on the ML for OSAD to ensure we're making the proper changes for liberty | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am: voluntold :) | 16:12 |
| evrardjp | :) | 16:12 |
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| cloudnull | Ill try to have most of my inflight bps updated for reviews by weekend | 16:13 |
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| odyssey4me | ditto | 16:13 |
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| cloudnull | the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/remove-upstream-repo-dependency bp has reviews and should be ready for core to verify | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | same with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/upgrade-mariadb-v10 | 16:14 |
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| cloudnull | palendae: you able to follow up with the current upgrade bits ? | 16:15 |
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| palendae | The liberty upgrade path? Yeah | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | sweet! | 16:15 |
| palendae | I thought I pushed an initial patch set, too, let me check | 16:15 |
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| odyssey4me | palendae yep, although I'm not sure that your spec has had enough reviews yet | 16:16 |
| palendae | True | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | let me star the specs | 16:16 |
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| palendae | I would appreciate more | 16:16 |
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| cloudnull | also this wip change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215291/ is in merge conflict at this point | 16:16 |
| palendae | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215291/ was the change | 16:17 |
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| palendae | YUeah | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:%22Jesse+Pretorius%22+project:stackforge/os-ansible-deployment-specs,n,z | 16:17 |
| palendae | Will rebase it | 16:17 |
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| cloudnull | tyvm sir | 16:17 |
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| cloudnull | https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/liberty-3 looks like its progressing nicely however as before odyssey4me you should have more context on that | 16:18 |
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| odyssey4me | palendae if you can remove the TODO's and either replace them with n/a's or some content, then we're good to go | 16:18 |
| palendae | Ok | 16:18 |
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| odyssey4me | yeah, we're doing alright with liberty-3 | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | in fact I think we've done brilliantly | 16:19 |
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| cloudnull | yes i agree | 16:19 |
| odyssey4me | some items may have to shift to the next milestone, but that's ok | 16:19 |
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| odyssey4me | ideally we need to start working on changing the deprecated options and doing updates to the conf/policy templates | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | speaking of which - this spec needs more reviews | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://review.openstack.org/168976 | 16:20 |
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| odyssey4me | cloudnull perhaps a little tl/dr would be useful? | 16:20 |
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| cloudnull | tl;dr. a new action plugin for ansible that makes it so we can render templates as is done by ansible but also override items in config without having to peramaterize all the things | 16:21 |
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| cloudnull | the action plugin supports json, yaml, and ini files. | 16:22 |
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| cloudnull | the plugin can be seen / reviewed here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216790/1/playbooks/plugins/actions/crud_template.py,cm | 16:22 |
| evrardjp | I'll put my comments, but I really like the idea of it | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | which is a WIP review to replace the current copy_update plugin | 16:23 |
| evrardjp | congrats | 16:23 |
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| cloudnull | thanks evrardjp ! | 16:23 |
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| odyssey4me | the idea is to stop adding more and more parameters for overrides, make it simpler for deployers to understand how to add .conf settings they want and to reduce the work we have to do when we're looking at deprecations from cycle to cycle | 16:24 |
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| cloudnull | current naming is crud_template (u have no naming originallity) but that name is subject to change. | 16:24 |
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| odyssey4me | we'll have to carry current settings/vars for a cycle (liberty) but we can remove them once we ship M | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | s/u have/i have/ | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | thats the running thought | 16:25 |
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| odyssey4me | perhaps we should chat about the name now | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | sure | 16:25 |
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| odyssey4me | personally I prefer something along the lines of 'template_update' for the module/task and 'update_data' instead of cu_data for the arg | 16:25 |
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| odyssey4me | maybe rather update_template for the module name | 16:25 |
| evrardjp | the important is to know about this module, not the name... | 16:26 |
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| palendae | Good names are important | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | fair enough. | 16:26 |
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| palendae | +1 for update_template | 16:26 |
| evrardjp | easier to remember, so easier to know. I agree | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | evrardjp sure, but the name and args do affect how easily the purpose is understood | 16:26 |
| palendae | Or more communicative of intent/purpose | 16:26 |
| evrardjp | update_template seems easy to remember | 16:26 |
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| cloudnull | +1 update_template sounds good to me | 16:27 |
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| evrardjp | 0118 999 88199 9119 725 ... 3 (for those who understand "that's easy to remember")... Sorry for this intrusion ;) | 16:27 |
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| cloudnull | so pleaes review the spec/code its much appreciated. | 16:28 |
| evrardjp | will do | 16:28 |
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| cloudnull | after some reviews come through ill update the naming | 16:28 |
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| cloudnull | and fix other bits noted | 16:29 |
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| cloudnull | moving on, unless theres something else to note about the spec ? | 16:29 |
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| cloudnull | or other specs ? | 16:29 |
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| odyssey4me | #link https://review.openstack.org/213779 | 16:29 |
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| odyssey4me | I'd like to revise it based on comments this weekend, so please review and comment. | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | kk | 16:30 |
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| odyssey4me | Note to all that approving the spec will not result in an immediate repo split. It will simply allow us to create new repositories for new roles. | 16:30 |
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| odyssey4me | any splits from the current repo will still require their own blueprint or spec. | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | *and | 16:30 |
| lbragstad | odyssey4me: so the roles will exist in each temporarily, right? | 16:31 |
| odyssey4me | this is because the split of each role will require a lot of planning | 16:31 |
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| odyssey4me | lbragstad I'm not sure I understand what you mean? | 16:31 |
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| evrardjp | I have a question, what's the plan for future roles? should we plan with the split in mind or include as usual? | 16:33 |
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| evrardjp | because there is no mention of real date in the spec | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | evrardjp: i'd include as usual for now. | 16:33 |
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| evrardjp | ok | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | odyssey4me: I think I answer my own question :) | 16:33 |
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| odyssey4me | evrardjp it kinda depends on what the role is - if it'll be part of a core deployment, then plan to include right now | 16:34 |
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| palendae | ^ I like that plan | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | if it's independant and optional, then perhaps plan for a separate repo | 16:34 |
| evrardjp | I'll publish a PoC code, and we'll adapt according to | 16:34 |
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| palendae | At the moment, OSAD is very much a highly coupled system | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | eg: there is a rally role in the wings - that should be planned to be seperate | 16:35 |
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| cloudnull | evrardjp: theres no real plan for splitting anything up at this point. and if you have work inflight to add into the main repo I'd keep that going on that. if we get this spec in and we feel its best to create a new repo we'll have to bring it up to the ML , meeting , the maintinaer, etc. . . to do all the work. | 16:35 |
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| odyssey4me | +1 | 16:35 |
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| evrardjp | agree, it just needs to be clear for all the possible contributors, and set a date of the possible move, that was my point | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | the process will be fully transparent. so while I want this to make the project better, like odyssey4me said, its going to take work and planning. | 16:36 |
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| evrardjp | ok | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, the the moves will take place over an entire cycle - not all in one day | 16:37 |
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| odyssey4me | we have to look after our downstream consumers, some of which (like evrardjp) are largely following on a per commit basis | 16:37 |
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| cloudnull | ++ | 16:38 |
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| cloudnull | moving on | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | #topic Mitaka Summit Discussion Agenda (input required) | 16:38 |
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| cloudnull | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-mitaka-summit | 16:38 |
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| cloudnull | we need people to think about and contribute to our efforts at the summit . | 16:39 |
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| cloudnull | ideally id like to see what type of rooms we'll need @ tokyo so i can make the request to ttx sooner than later. | 16:39 |
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| evrardjp | I'll be there | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | sweet! | 16:40 |
| odyssey4me | awesome evrardjp :) | 16:40 |
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| cloudnull | first rounds on me :) | 16:40 |
| evrardjp | I have a question about that I'll keep for open topics | 16:40 |
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| odyssey4me | personally I think it'd be great to have a fishbowl discussion early on to hash out ideas and thoughts | 16:41 |
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| cloudnull | ++ i like the fish bowls | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | then have a contributors meetup on fri to take the ideas and plot out a roadmap | 16:41 |
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| cloudnull | however space is a bit limited in tokyo so access will be limited . | 16:41 |
| odyssey4me | that way we can seperate the critical thought from the creative thought | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | and other projects, like nova, will have more presedence if push comes to shove | 16:42 |
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| cloudnull | workrooms should be more available | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | and for sure we'll regester a contributors meetup on friday | 16:42 |
| odyssey4me | alternatively, perhaps we could arrange a fish bowl type session on fri morning, then do a meetup in the afternoon for the rest? | 16:42 |
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| cloudnull | thatll work | 16:43 |
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| evrardjp | Isn't something already planned for Tue? | 16:43 |
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| odyssey4me | that will be nice because it'll give us all a chance to attend presentations and be free to attend other design discussions | 16:43 |
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| cloudnull | indeed. | 16:44 |
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| cloudnull | i think , as a deployment project its key for us to participate in the design sessions for other porjects. | 16:45 |
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| evrardjp | +1 | 16:45 |
| evrardjp | we need to know what's going on at all times | 16:45 |
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| cloudnull | their changes effect us and with our "from source" nature we're able to consume these changes sooner. | 16:45 |
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| cloudnull | evrardjp: +1 | 16:46 |
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| evrardjp | the important is to let us have the room to understand the changes applied | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | I'm not sure if it's correct english | 16:46 |
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| evrardjp | anyway | 16:46 |
| evrardjp | we agree | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | :) | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | :) | 16:47 |
| evrardjp | decision? | 16:47 |
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| evrardjp | Tue fishball session and small meeting friday? | 16:47 |
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| odyssey4me | I'm preferring a room all day fri, if we can get it. | 16:48 |
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| odyssey4me | otherwise a fall back to what evrardjp said | 16:48 |
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| cloudnull | * tuesday 1 fishbowl would be great. wensday 1 workgroup to talk about inflight items and issues that have result ed in bad life choices. friday 1 meetup lasting a couple of hours if possible. | 16:49 |
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| odyssey4me | sounds good to me | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | idk if people will be available monday but we might be able to team up with some of the guys @ ansible to have a community day again | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | and if so maybe we cut out wed ? | 16:50 |
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| cloudnull | the community day at vancouver seemed to work out nicely . | 16:51 |
| odyssey4me | I like the idea of having that on the Mon so we don't miss out on so much of the summit | 16:51 |
| odyssey4me | I barely managed to attend anything last summit\ | 16:51 |
| cloudnull | yea +1 | 16:51 |
| cloudnull | ok lets get some of this in the etherpad | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | and well make the decision EOD on Friday/Saturday. | 16:52 |
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| cloudnull | based on general majority from what folks put down there. | 16:52 |
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| odyssey4me | cool - will add bits after the meeting | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | k | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | #topic Open discussion | 16:53 |
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| cloudnull | evrardjp: you had something you wanted to bring up ? | 16:53 |
| evrardjp | yeah, and it's linked to previous discussion | 16:54 |
| evrardjp | I've seen there was 3 ansible meetings here | 16:54 |
| evrardjp | https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/ | 16:54 |
| evrardjp | am I on the good page? | 16:54 |
| evrardjp | damn | 16:54 |
| evrardjp | I just realized I'm not on the right one | 16:54 |
| odyssey4me | haha, that's the last summit | 16:54 |
| evrardjp | I was thinking about lobying | 16:55 |
| odyssey4me | https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/ | 16:55 |
| evrardjp | to gather the community | 16:55 |
| evrardjp | it's not relevant anymore, sorry. | 16:55 |
| evrardjp | Next? | 16:55 |
| lbragstad | if something is put together with the ansible folks for monday, will that be a word of mouth thing? | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | since nothing officially starts on monday? | 16:56 |
| cloudnull | last time they added it in shed late | 16:56 |
| cloudnull | im not sure what theyll do, if anything, this go around . | 16:57 |
| lbragstad | ok | 16:57 |
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| cloudnull | ok well then if theres nothing else i think we're done here. | 16:58 |
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| evrardjp | Ok thanks for the meeting | 16:59 |
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| cloudnull | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| cloudnull | :) | 17:00 |
| cloudnull | have a good one | 17:00 |
| cloudnull | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 27 17:00:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-08-27-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-08-27-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-08-27-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| qwebirc83537 | Hi, in a past reference I see a gotomeeting link. Do we still use it for presentation? | 17:05 |
| georgewang | help | 17:05 |
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