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| nikhil_k | #startmeeting glance drivers | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 21 14:01:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_drivers' | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | Courtesy Glance Drivers' meeting reminder: nikhil_k, flaper87, sigmavirus24, rosmaita | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | #topic agenda | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:01 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-drivers-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | Welcome guys | 14:03 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:03 |
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| rosmaita | i looked at the specs i promised to review last week, but must admit that i didn't get to today's specs | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | We've a few important items to discuss | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | rosmaita: no worries, I encouraged people to add items to push them through early if they were interested | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | Let's get started | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Feedback on the oslo.versionedobjects | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feedback on the oslo.versionedobjects (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:04 | |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: gave us some updated in the artifacts sync up yday | 14:04 |
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| nikhil_k | there were a few things that would be good to be discussed here so I asked him to add this item | 14:04 |
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| ativelkov | I've contributed most of the complicated validation logic which we had in "declarative framework" into the o.vo. Part is already merged, two more are on review there | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | basically, early feedback on the overall approach and direction | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198798/ | 14:05 |
| ativelkov | This is an initial commit which actually declares the types to define artifact properties and defines the generic artifact properties using them. | 14:06 |
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| ativelkov | Looking for the initial feedback on this before I move on and the patch becomes some hundreds LoC more :) | 14:07 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: can the fields be inheritable? | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | basically nesting | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | for example a list of tuples | 14:08 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: yes, this is part of o.vo basic functionality | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | you lost me already here: declares the types to define artifact properties and defines the generic artifact properties :P | 14:08 |
| ativelkov | my english ) Sorry | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | no worries, not important :) | 14:09 |
| ativelkov | Well there are "Fields" (like "Integer", "String", "Array", "Set" etc), and type definitions, which combine these fields to form an artifact schema | 14:10 |
| ativelkov | Array or Set or Dict fields may be of elements of other types | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: sorry I don't get if this indicates that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198798/3/glance/artifacts/types/base.py ? | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | or are you working in that direction? | 14:11 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: indicates what? | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: Array or Set or Dict fields may be of elements of other types | 14:11 |
| ativelkov | No issues here. This file is just a base class common for all the artifacts. There are no common properties of type Array or Dict (yet there is a "tags", which is a Set of Strings) | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: nvm, I see the compond obj now | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | compound* | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | line 93 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198798/3/glance/artifacts/types/fields.py | 14:13 |
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| nikhil_k | ok, that was my intial browse and it looks good | 14:14 |
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| nikhil_k | I guess you can keep poking people here or in other meetings as development happens | 14:14 |
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| nikhil_k | If there's nothing more, we need to move on in the interest of time | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | #topic OVF-Lite BP to handle upload of OVF container for single disk image OVAs | 14:15 |
| ativelkov | sure, thanks | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OVF-Lite BP to handle upload of OVF container for single disk image OVAs (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:15 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194868/ | 14:15 |
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| nikhil_k | This is a big one. We need to define the scope of this before approving it. I say that because we agreed on the idea that this proposal looks good for an intial basic impl in v2. More complex one can follow as a part of artifacts. | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | I browsed over it and ignored any minor errors. lgtm as problem desc and work items are precise. | 14:19 |
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| nikhil_k | #action all: priority review for the week https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194868 | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | we can approve it next week | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Federated Images | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Federated Images (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:20 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191897/ | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | tbh, I am not sure if this is the right way to go (in a dilemma) | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | Also, the scope if too broad. We need to trim down the spec to actionable work items for a single cycle. | 14:22 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: that sounds like brilliant first candidate for our import task plugin incubator :P | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | Two things that need to go in there are: 1) more decriptive problem description 2) breakddown of the work items into anticipated code changes (besides a broader feature enhancement perspective) | 14:24 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: sorry being late OVF stuff I mean | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: ah yeah, def | 14:24 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: +1 | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | Any feedback on federated images for today? | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | If nothing, I will open up the discussion. | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | #topic open discussion | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: glance drivers)" | 14:26 | |
| nikhil_k | So, I would like encourage people to attend the mid-cycle at least virtually (next week) | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | we should discuss the specs process evolution and finalize the documentation | 14:26 |
| jokke_ | sorry I'm really slow today ... just comment on the federated image | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | so that it's not stuck in some ML thread or pending review somewhere | 14:27 |
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| jokke_ | before we start even thinking 2 glance deployments talking to each other, as a first stem I'd like to see export/import that could be used for that ... so that we can export image from one glance instance and import it to another ... lets talk how we automate that delivery in between after that | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | first step even | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: I see your point. Though I think this was to extend implementing cloning as a third type of task. But it would good to have first import/export working | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | One thing I missed to updated earlier | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I'd like to see cloning moving to utilize that as well so we could just dump that really messy cloning logic we have instead of extending it | 14:30 |
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| nikhil_k | I have asked a couple of documentation folks to help keep our specs cleaner | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | Hope to hear from them this week and update next week (midcycle). | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: it could make sense to keep common logic together | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | We are out of time | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all for joining. | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 21 14:31:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-07-21-14.01.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-07-21-14.01.txt | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_drivers/2015/glance_drivers.2015-07-21-14.01.log.html | 14:31 |
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| mdorman | hola | 14:59 |
| mfisch | morning | 14:59 |
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| bogdando | hi | 14:59 |
| spredzy | hello | 14:59 |
| iurygregory | hello | 14:59 |
| gchamoul | o/ | 14:59 |
| mfisch | okay lets get going | 14:59 |
| mfisch | #startmeeting puppet | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 21 14:59:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfisch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'puppet' | 14:59 |
| mfisch | Emilien is out so he asked me to run it | 15:00 |
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| sbadia | o/ | 15:00 |
| mwhahaha | o/ | 15:00 |
| mfisch | We have a light agenda today | 15:00 |
| mfisch | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20150721 | 15:00 |
| gchamoul | o/ | 15:00 |
| mfisch | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-openstack-weekly-meeting-20150721 | 15:00 |
| * mfisch does not know the commands ;) | 15:00 | |
| vinsh | o/ | 15:00 |
| bogdando | o/ | 15:00 |
| clayton | here | 15:00 |
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| richm | hello | 15:01 |
| sbadia | #topic :) | 15:01 |
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| mfisch | #topic old actions | 15:01 |
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| mfisch | The first one is the midcycle. We decided last week that it would be virtual | 15:01 |
| mfisch | The agenda is still light, so please add to it | 15:02 |
| mfisch | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/puppet-liberty-mid-cycle | 15:02 |
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| mfisch | Second item is OpenStack integration CI. Emilien and pabelanger are working on this, but I dont think either is here | 15:02 |
| mfisch | Does anyone have any updates on that topic? | 15:03 |
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| richm | There is a problem with tempest and v3 - I'm working on that today | 15:03 |
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| bogdando | #topic OpenStack integration CI | 15:03 |
| bogdando | please | 15:03 |
| mfisch | #topic OpenStack integration CI | 15:03 |
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| mfisch | yep thanks for the reminder | 15:03 |
| mfisch | richm: whats the issue? | 15:04 |
| richm | v3 works fine until the tempest tests start, then v3 auth stops working | 15:04 |
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| richm | or, to be more correct, doing v2 auth with users in the default domain stops working | 15:05 |
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| mfisch | Was there a patch recently about this? | 15:05 |
| richm | it works fine up until the tempest tests start | 15:05 |
| richm | yes, there is a patch currently out for review, that is not working | 15:05 |
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| richm | https://review.openstack.org/198561 | 15:06 |
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| mfisch | there's a similar patch out there for a module that seemed hacky to me, I will look for it | 15:06 |
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| richm | there is a patch for puppet-tempest too | 15:07 |
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| mfisch | maybe that was it | 15:07 |
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| mfisch | it's doing a search and replace for v3 to v2.0 | 15:07 |
| richm | https://review.openstack.org/#q,Ia173e37cfdb1f4470780b7cbac4383b2ea86a142,n,z | 15:07 |
| richm | hmm - ok - I will be debugging that today | 15:07 |
| mfisch | thanks richm | 15:07 |
| mfisch | okay next topic | 15:08 |
| mfisch | #topic bp/enabling-federation | 15:08 |
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| mfisch | iurygregory: go ahead | 15:08 |
| iurygregory | Hello people ^^ | 15:08 |
| iurygregory | I would like to discuss about the spec Enabling Federation (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190361/) | 15:08 |
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| iurygregory | we already have some cards in trello about the efforts needed. I would like to know if the current patch for the spec covers everything. | 15:09 |
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| iurygregory | Yesterday I talked to richm and we think is ok | 15:09 |
| richm | yes | 15:09 |
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| mfisch | iurygregory: so what are you looking for, more feedback or +2 or both? | 15:10 |
| iurygregory | both mfisch | 15:10 |
| richm | both, yes | 15:10 |
| iurygregory | if i need to add something i'll be glad to do it | 15:10 |
| richm | and it probably needs a review by one of the Keystone devs | 15:10 |
| mfisch | thats a good idea | 15:11 |
| mfisch | iurygregory: can you reach out to someone from keystone on it? | 15:11 |
| iurygregory | Rodrigo is dev in Keystone and work with federation ^^ | 15:11 |
| mfisch | perfect | 15:11 |
| richm | ah, ok - then he has already reviewed it | 15:11 |
| iurygregory | yes he give a +1 | 15:11 |
| iurygregory | i'll talk with him to know more keystone devs to review the spec too =) | 15:12 |
| mfisch | okay so you need some +2 from here or more feedback | 15:12 |
| mfisch | #link https://review.openstack.org/190361 | 15:12 |
| mfisch | please take a look everyone | 15:12 |
| mfisch | iurygregory: anything else? | 15:13 |
| iurygregory | nothing, thanks mfisch | 15:13 |
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| richm | note that the items in the trello - groups, identity providers, federation, etc. - are based on that bp, and work already done in other projects to enable Keystone federation | 15:13 |
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| mfisch | richm: where's the trello link? | 15:14 |
| iurygregory | #link https://trello.com/b/4X3zxWRZ/on-going-effort | 15:14 |
| saneax | Greeting folks | 15:14 |
| mfisch | okay moving on | 15:14 |
| mfisch | #topic default parameter policy | 15:14 |
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| mfisch | spredzy: go ahead | 15:15 |
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| spredzy | This week I've sent an email to the ML about an issue mgagne raised on a review about the value picked for meaning absent | 15:15 |
| spredzy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202574/ | 15:15 |
| spredzy | If empty string isn't suitable | 15:16 |
| spredzy | I wanted to get feedback on what string we should put here instead | 15:16 |
| clayton | I thought setting a parameter to an empty string was the same as setting it to undef from a puppet 3.x standpoint anyway? | 15:16 |
| mfisch | heat also has a setting that can be an empty string | 15:16 |
| clayton | is that incorrect? | 15:16 |
| spredzy | clayton, you can set an empty string | 15:16 |
| clayton | ok, sounds like I'm wrong then :) | 15:17 |
| spredzy | empty string is different than undef | 15:17 |
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| mfisch | clayton: this is legal | 15:17 |
| mfisch | heat_config { 'DEFAULT/instance_user': value => ''; } | 15:17 |
| spredzy | my worry is that even if we put nil | 15:17 |
| spredzy | for example as the default value | 15:17 |
| spredzy | what tells us no parameter in the whole openstack projects doesn't take 'nil' has a valid value | 15:17 |
| richm | mfisch: what does that look like in the heat config file? | 15:17 |
| clayton | I'd prefer something that's less likely to come up in real case. <DEFAULT VALUE> or some such | 15:17 |
| spredzy | instance_user= | 15:18 |
| mfisch | richm: it looks like instance_user= | 15:18 |
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| mwhahaha | if we set undef as default value and the option does not accept undef, we should be checking for undef and erroring in puppet | 15:18 |
| richm | and oslo.config parses that into CONF.instance_user == ''? | 15:18 |
| spredzy | mwhahaha, the purpose here was to try to avoid the if $myvar { } else { } pattern | 15:18 |
| spredzy | to make the manifest more readable | 15:18 |
| mwhahaha | validate_string($myvar) | 15:18 |
| mfisch | the heat case specifically is a special case | 15:18 |
| mwhahaha | validate_array($myvar) | 15:18 |
| spredzy | and not ask every contributor to do that for each and every new parameter | 15:19 |
| mfisch | clayton has a good idea <PUPPET UNSET DEFAULT> or something | 15:19 |
| xarses | spredzy: maybe a custom validate function that will wrap the logic? | 15:19 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 15:19 |
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| clayton | it just seems like we should be able to shove into the iniffile provider somewhere code that say something like if ! $value then ensure = 'absent' | 15:20 |
| bogdando | IMHO, it would be nice to have a special value for every parameter in Oslo.config, which will hust raise an exception "Not configured" | 15:20 |
| bogdando | just* | 15:20 |
| mwhahaha | it would be advisable to add stricter validation to new (and existing) parameters | 15:20 |
| bogdando | so we could use this as a defult in configuration management | 15:20 |
| clayton | mwhahaha: perhaps, but this is a separate issue | 15:20 |
| _ody_ | o/ | 15:20 |
| mwhahaha | true, but if we use undef as our goto value for things and we know it's a required param, just validate it | 15:21 |
| mattymo1 | what does it mean when yo guys say o/ in the middle of a discussion? | 15:21 |
| mattymo1 | s/yo/you | 15:21 |
| clayton | mattymo1: raising their hand | 15:21 |
| spredzy | mwhahaha, xarses the idea here is really not to validate a parameter rather than have a unique way of setting a parameters that can set or unset if without and if and else block | 15:21 |
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| clayton | i.e. I'm here | 15:21 |
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| mfisch | it made me think you guys had a question ;) | 15:22 |
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| mwhahaha | spredzy: yes i get that, but is not using undef for this a better way as validation/checking exists elsewhere around undef specifically | 15:22 |
| mwhahaha | if we are using some custom text string, that seems hokey and openstack specific | 15:22 |
| clayton | yes, we all agree | 15:22 |
| mfisch | is there a better way? | 15:22 |
| sbadia | :) | 15:22 |
| spredzy | problem with undef, is that it cannot be treaten | 15:22 |
| spredzy | value: undef basically means skip me | 15:23 |
| spredzy | for the ini_setting provider | 15:23 |
| mwhahaha | i would argue that should be changed | 15:23 |
| saneax | I guess the idea is to flag the module this is undefined and handle it? | 15:23 |
| mwhahaha | where undef means don't define this value, ie remove it if exists | 15:23 |
| xarses | spredzy: ok, so then are we back to creating some way to override inifile so that it can be seeded with some 'this value actually means make it absent' | 15:23 |
| spredzy | this behavior is puppet specific, we can't change it | 15:23 |
| spredzy | it might evolve in puppet 4 if I got it right but we're stuck with it in puppet 3.x | 15:24 |
| bogdando | don't define this value != remove it if exists | 15:24 |
| xarses | mwhahaha: we relie on undef == not set in multiple modules already | 15:24 |
| spredzy | bogdando, we want to try to avoid the if/else check | 15:24 |
| xarses | s/relie/rely | 15:24 |
| mwhahaha | i know we use it, i just don't like it | 15:24 |
| mwhahaha | :) | 15:24 |
| bogdando | yes, got it. Could we just hide this to the ini provider? | 15:24 |
| mattymo1 | I'm in favor of using a key word of either absent or purged. there's no need to use these values anywhere in legit config | 15:24 |
| angdraug | the problem with changing puppet's conventions is that every newcomer will be stumped by it | 15:24 |
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| bogdando | but we should make it also backwards compatible | 15:25 |
| bogdando | or keep it so | 15:25 |
| clayton | angdraug: I think we all agree that this solution is ugly, but the consensus in the past was that it was less ugly than 5 lines of if/else block which is the alternative | 15:25 |
| bogdando | like, if undef meant "don't care" before, we should not change defaults to the "remove it" | 15:26 |
| bogdando | as that would be not backward compatible | 15:26 |
| xarses | so, we add some initialization parameter that can set the magic word for this modules inifile (or in the infile provider config for the file) and then hack on inifile implementation? | 15:26 |
| spredzy | bogdando, I am not sure if we pass value: undef to the our config, it will go create the parent provider or will just skip it | 15:26 |
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| clayton | bogdando: This would be chagned in the next major release. In theory it should be no change in behavior, since all those existing paramters we have in the manifests are already set to the upstream defaults | 15:26 |
| angdraug | clayton: I'm just arguing in favor of magic word instead of undef | 15:26 |
| bogdando | looks like a good action item to check against ini provider unit tests | 15:27 |
| bogdando | how it behaves | 15:27 |
| mfisch | I think the magic word is probably the best solution we have too | 15:27 |
| bogdando | yes, magic words are good | 15:27 |
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| mwhahaha | i don't like the magic word unless it can be some explicit define | 15:27 |
| iurygregory | ++ | 15:27 |
| spredzy | can we open up a vote maybe ? | 15:27 |
| spredzy | here or in the ML | 15:27 |
| spredzy | jsut to make sure the community agrees | 15:27 |
| spredzy | and have a trace | 15:27 |
| mfisch | I think here gets more traffic | 15:28 |
| clayton | I don't think we really need a vote since to date no one has figured out how to make undef work | 15:28 |
| mwhahaha | is the absent (no quotes) word special in puppet? | 15:28 |
| mwhahaha | or does it get translated to a string | 15:28 |
| clayton | mwhahaha: no, it's translated to a string | 15:28 |
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| mwhahaha | :/ | 15:28 |
| mwhahaha | to me i want something like that | 15:28 |
| spredzy | mwhahaha, no but '' is valid so it can't be used | 15:28 |
| mwhahaha | thats why i like undef because it actually has special meaning in the dsl | 15:28 |
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| xarses | mwhahaha: except undef already means not set | 15:29 |
| clayton | I'd propose '<SERVICE DEFAULT>' | 15:29 |
| xarses | instead of absent if not configured | 15:29 |
| clayton | if services ever use that, let's file a bug against them. | 15:29 |
| mfisch | <SERVICE DEFAULT> is somewhat self-explanatory | 15:29 |
| spredzy | clayton, +1 | 15:29 |
| angdraug | +1 | 15:30 |
| mattymo1 | I thought we wanted to suggest a purged value... not even service default? | 15:30 |
| clayton | alternatively, if there are any characters we know that oslo.config doesn't properly handle in values, let's use that. | 15:30 |
| spredzy | purged value will end up in service default | 15:30 |
| mattymo1 | oh right | 15:30 |
| spredzy | if the param is not set, then it will use service default | 15:30 |
| angdraug | lets not rely on other software's bugs | 15:30 |
| mfisch | Why not propose somethign and run it by the OSLO team? | 15:31 |
| mfisch | I cant see them using <SERVICE DEFAULT> for anything | 15:31 |
| xarses | why dont we do something similar to the default setting method used in OCF scripts ? https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-library/blob/master/files/fuel-ha-utils/ocf/ns_haproxy#L36-71 | 15:31 |
| xarses | except probably in a one line function | 15:31 |
| xarses | that would change the state to absent instead of set | 15:31 |
| spredzy | xarses, not sure I see the whole picture here :/ | 15:32 |
| clayton | xarses: can you give us an example? | 15:32 |
| xarses | I'll try to mock something up | 15:32 |
| mwhahaha | seems like we're working around the ini file provider, can't we just extend that? honestly from a templated file standpoint undef is normal for a value you don't want | 15:33 |
| clayton | I'd suggest we have spredzy send an email to the list with suggestions for magic string and if people have strong opinions about other options we can have a CIVS vote or some such | 15:33 |
| clayton | otherwise we go with <SERVICE DEFAULT> | 15:34 |
| mfisch | I would like to wrap this up since I dont think we'll have a conclusion right now, so an email follow-up is a good idea | 15:34 |
| bogdando | so, a magic word '<SERVICE DEFAULT>'. +1 for that to replace undef. | 15:34 |
| spredzy | I will send the email with clayton suggestion | 15:34 |
| mfisch | thanks spredzy | 15:34 |
| mfisch | anything else on this? | 15:34 |
| spredzy | xarses, please do answer with the mock you come up with | 15:34 |
| xarses | mwhahaha: that thought from last week was that we need to get something to work before taking it back to puppet-inifile | 15:34 |
| xarses | spredzy: it will take some time | 15:35 |
| * mwhahaha shrugs | 15:35 | |
| spredzy | xarses, ack, if you want just to draw the big picture in the email so people can grasp the idea | 15:35 |
| spredzy | and have an opinion about it | 15:35 |
| mwhahaha | i just see '<SERVICE DEFAULT>' full of typos | 15:35 |
| mwhahaha | and not validatable | 15:35 |
| spredzy | mainly so we can decide | 15:35 |
| xarses | spredzy: but ya, | 15:35 |
| bogdando | but it would be nice to ensure oslo.config will raise if it parses '<SERVICE DEFAULT>' out | 15:35 |
| clayton | bogdando: agreed | 15:36 |
| mattymo1 | mwhahaha, not everyone types with mistakes 100% of the time | 15:36 |
| spredzy | it will never parses it ad it will never get there | 15:36 |
| spredzy | the idea is that id the value is '<SERVICE DEFAULT>' ensure => absent | 15:36 |
| spredzy | so it should never end up in any configuration file | 15:36 |
| bogdando | understood | 15:36 |
| bogdando | but... you know | 15:37 |
| bogdando | bugs happen | 15:37 |
| clayton | spredzy: bogdando's suggestion would ensure no one using oslo.config could ever make <SERVICE DEFAULT> a valid value | 15:37 |
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| spredzy | ok got it my bad | 15:37 |
| spredzy | mfisch, I think we can move to next topic will send the email to the ML | 15:38 |
| mfisch | thanks spredzy | 15:38 |
| mattymo1 | spredzy, +1 | 15:38 |
| mfisch | #topic gerrit dashboard & disagreements | 15:38 |
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| mfisch | angdraug: this is you | 15:38 |
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| angdraug | I've proposed a change for the gerrit dashboard: | 15:39 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203903/ | 15:39 |
| sbadia | good idea | 15:39 |
| angdraug | I think this should prevent reviews with a -2 from falling through the cracks | 15:39 |
| mfisch | the problem is summarized on the mailing list but can you give a brief angdraug | 15:39 |
| mfisch | hah good timing | 15:39 |
| angdraug | ) | 15:40 |
| angdraug | I've identified a handful of examples that this query pulls up | 15:40 |
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| angdraug | we may go through all of them as an excercise and see how it works | 15:40 |
| clayton | +1, I see no harm in adding it. | 15:40 |
| angdraug | although it looks like we'll have to wait for emilien to come back to unblock them | 15:40 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/190548 | 15:41 |
| angdraug | this one was discussed extensively on the same ML thread | 15:41 |
| mfisch | +1 from me too | 15:41 |
| spredzy | +! for me, find the idea really nice | 15:41 |
| sbadia | yep and he is in pto :-/ | 15:41 |
| spredzy | +1* | 15:41 |
| angdraug | to me it looks like emilien never noticed that his concern was addressed, probably because of ^^^ :) | 15:41 |
| mfisch | I'm not familiar with how the dashboard is made, anyone can make one right? | 15:41 |
| xarses | mfisch: correct, its based from custom url strings | 15:42 |
| clayton | mfisch: yes, this patch is adding it to the examples in gerrit-dash-creator | 15:42 |
| angdraug | mfisch: yes, all you do is run ./gerrit-dash-creator dashboard/puppet-openstack.dash and it will give you a url | 15:42 |
| mfisch | I think we should just generate this one and make it our default | 15:42 |
| angdraug | afaiu http://ghostcloud.net/openstack_gerrit_dashboards/ is generated from all dashboards in that repo | 15:43 |
| bogdando | sounds great | 15:43 |
| mattymo1 | The value of a team dashboard is so that everyone can get a clear picture together. your gerrit default dashboard is not so well organized | 15:43 |
| iurygregory | +1 | 15:43 |
| angdraug | btw as we discussed with mfisch yesterday we might want to add dashboard link to the wiki landing page like we did in fuel | 15:43 |
| angdraug | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel#Development_related_links | 15:43 |
| mfisch | angdraug: it was added this morning | 15:44 |
| mfisch | so what are the actions on this? It needs to merge but we should also update the default goo.gl link too I think | 15:44 |
| angdraug | ah, nice | 15:44 |
| angdraug | I'd say wait for it to merge, shouldn't take too long, it already as +1's | 15:44 |
| mfisch | ok | 15:45 |
| angdraug | then update goo.gl link | 15:45 |
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| mfisch | after it merges sbadia can you update the link? | 15:45 |
| mfisch | I can do it actually if sbadia is afk | 15:46 |
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| mfisch | #action mfisch to update review dashboard link after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203903/ merges | 15:46 |
| mfisch | I forgot to action spredzy and the ML :( | 15:46 |
| mfisch | angdraug: anything else on this one? | 15:46 |
| angdraug | no | 15:46 |
| mfisch | thanks | 15:46 |
| mfisch | #topic review throughput | 15:46 |
| spredzy | #action spredzy send mail to the ML about '<SERVICE DEFAULT>' magic string | 15:46 |
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| angdraug | unless you want to go through reviews I linked, but I think they have to wait for Emilien | 15:47 |
| mfisch | This is a friendly reminder to cores to please do reviews, I know some reviews have been sitting for awhile, so take a look this week | 15:47 |
| mfisch | angdraug: I dont think it would be useful w/o him | 15:47 |
| mfisch | I dont really need a discussion on that just want to reduce the backlog we have. I did a bunch yesterday and I think clayton did too based on my inbox | 15:48 |
| mfisch | and we're running out of time, so I want to move on | 15:48 |
| mfisch | #topic designate hooks patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197172/) | 15:48 |
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| mfisch | clayton: ^ | 15:48 |
| clayton | I've sent an email about this and it's gotten one +2 so far. I just wanted to bring it up again in case any one had questions or concerns about this approach | 15:49 |
| clayton | assuming the designate patch is merged I suspect we would start working on a similar patch for keystone or heat | 15:49 |
| mfisch | I am +2 as well but its not cool for me to merge your stuff unless its trivial | 15:49 |
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| clayton | nod, I was hoping emilien and/or colleen would have a chance to look at it again | 15:50 |
| sbadia | mfisch: oups sorry, yep afk, sure, I'll update the link/wiki | 15:50 |
| mfisch | neither is here today | 15:50 |
| clayton | np, I'm ok with moving on then if no one has any questions or concerns | 15:51 |
| * sbadia trie to take a look also | 15:51 | |
| mfisch | this is our last topic, thanks sbadia | 15:51 |
| sbadia | np :) | 15:52 |
| mfisch | okay we have 8 mins left, anyone have a burning issue, bug, or review? | 15:52 |
| mfisch | going once, twice... | 15:52 |
| spredzy | hehe | 15:53 |
| sbadia | seems ok :) | 15:53 |
| mfisch | okay thanks everyone have a good week, enjoy your 7 minutes back | 15:53 |
| mfisch | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 21 15:53:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet/2015/puppet.2015-07-21-14.59.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet/2015/puppet.2015-07-21-14.59.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet/2015/puppet.2015-07-21-14.59.log.html | 15:53 |
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| sbadia | thanks everyone! | 15:53 |
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| Santosh | Hi | 16:00 |
| mugsie | hi | 16:00 |
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| xgerman | hi | 16:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
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| mugsie | I am double jobbing (in another meeting right now), can someone start the meeting? | 16:02 |
| mugsie | I will contribute, but may not be the best chair ;) | 16:02 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. hi.. is this for the GSLB discussion ? | 16:02 |
| mugsie | yup | 16:02 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie ... do we an agenda for the meeting or just go over the API ? | 16:03 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: I think we covered the API last week, I have an outstanding item to update the doc | 16:03 |
| mugsie | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GSLB | 16:03 |
| mugsie | there is no other current agenda items | 16:03 |
| mugsie | unless there is anyother issues? | 16:04 |
| mugsie | I know dougwig filed for a new repo for us | 16:04 |
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| KunalGandhi | ok.. i will start the meeting.. | 16:04 |
| KunalGandhi | #startmeeting | 16:04 |
| openstack | KunalGandhi: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 16:04 |
| KunalGandhi | #startmeeting GSLB_Discussion | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 21 16:04:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is KunalGandhi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gslb_discussion' | 16:04 |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201683/ | 16:05 |
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| KunalGandhi | #chair.. @KunalGandhi | 16:06 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: .. | 16:06 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: @KunalGandhi | 16:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: .. @KunalGandhi KunalGandhi | 16:06 |
| KunalGandhi | hi everyone.. can we do a roll call for this meeting.. | 16:06 |
| xgerman | o/ | 16:07 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 16:07 |
| mugsie | o/ | 16:07 |
| Santosh | Hi | 16:08 |
| KunalGandhi | so we wanted to discuss if there is any thing to be added on the API doc | 16:09 |
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| KunalGandhi | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nw5jVn0hjmhlhkZJAohx-gqRkkbVhMMJ79Pogd0ysEk/edit#heading=h.lcnfr8uk78d | 16:09 |
| KunalGandhi | @dougwig .. was going to internally discuss the API doc in the LBaaS mid cycle last week and get feedback. | 16:10 |
| mugsie | there is also notes from last week - which have not been reflected in the doc yet | 16:10 |
| sballe | o/ | 16:10 |
| xgerman | KunalGandhi dougwig was sick so no discussion | 16:11 |
| KunalGandhi | ok.. | 16:11 |
| xgerman | didn | 16:11 |
| xgerman | ’t know it was a topic otherwise would have driven it... | 16:11 |
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| KunalGandhi | so what is the next step ? do we need to finalize the API for the MVP ? | 16:12 |
| xgerman | we should turn the API into a spec | 16:12 |
| sballe | +1 | 16:12 |
| mugsie | ok, so that is on me to update the doc | 16:13 |
| mugsie | #action mugsie update API Doc | 16:13 |
| xgerman | also for the spec we probably need a git repo with a specs directory :-) | 16:13 |
| mugsie | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb/2015/gslb.2015-07-14-16.00.log.html | 16:13 |
| xgerman | so… somebody needs to file the infra request to set that up | 16:14 |
| mugsie | has what we discussed last week | 16:14 |
| mugsie | xgerman: we need to wait for the current project creation to pass first | 16:14 |
| xgerman | agreed | 16:14 |
| KunalGandhi | so we need to get an update from @dougwig.. whether he was able to do that lask week | 16:15 |
| sballe | can we do it in github for now? | 16:15 |
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| KunalGandhi | @sballe ... +! | 16:15 |
| KunalGandhi | +1 | 16:15 |
| mugsie | Yeah. | 16:16 |
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| mugsie | I will create a github org after this | 16:16 |
| KunalGandhi | i think we can start with github and then move the doc later to the github.. | 16:16 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. thanks.. | 16:16 |
| sballe | that should allow us to collaborate while waiting for the more official infra | 16:16 |
| KunalGandhi | i can follow up with @dougwig on the infra repo | 16:16 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 16:17 |
| xgerman | there must be something replacing stackforge | 16:17 |
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| mugsie | xgerman: there is - "experimental" projects | 16:17 |
| sballe | agreed | 16:17 |
| mugsie | that is what dougwig filed for | 16:17 |
| KunalGandhi | #action KunalGandhi to follow up on infra repo | 16:18 |
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| mugsie | we are waiting for the "experiment project" spec in openstack-goverence to merge as well | 16:18 |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192016/3 | 16:19 |
| sballe | ok github sounds like a great idea until they figure out the experimental project stuff | 16:19 |
| mugsie | +1 | 16:19 |
| KunalGandhi | ok.. is there anything else that we would like to discuss about GSLB ? | 16:20 |
| Santosh | @Kunal I have a small query .Are we targeting GSLB for liberty? What is expected schedule for GSLB | 16:20 |
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| mugsie | MVP for Liberty maybe? | 16:21 |
| mugsie | but that is a short timescale | 16:21 |
| sballe | +1000 on the MVP for Liberty | 16:21 |
| KunalGandhi | @Santosh .. i think the feature freeze date is September 3.. so maybe an MVP. | 16:21 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: we can be exempt for that | 16:21 |
| KunalGandhi | not sure | 16:21 |
| mugsie | as the release management team wioll not be doing releases for us | 16:22 |
| xgerman | experimental... | 16:22 |
| xgerman | we can do whatever we want | 16:22 |
| mugsie | so, we can release when ever / whatever | 16:22 |
| xgerman | yep | 16:22 |
| xgerman | though we should try to have a demo in Tokyo | 16:22 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. ok..i think it is too early.. we need yet need to discuss the technical details | 16:23 |
| sballe | +1 on the demo | 16:23 |
| KunalGandhi | +1 | 16:23 |
| sballe | KunalGandhi: +1 on details not sure it is too early | 16:23 |
| mugsie | demo | 16:23 |
| mugsie | gah | 16:23 |
| mugsie | demo is what we shoud be aiming for | 16:23 |
| Santosh | I have couple of query wrt coupling vendor specific Neutron-Lbaas driver/LBs and Vendor specific GSLB. | 16:24 |
| sballe | +1 | 16:24 |
| KunalGandhi | @sballe .. i meant to early to know whether we are ready for liberty | 16:24 |
| sballe | oh I see. I agree | 16:24 |
| mugsie | Santosh: I would push back on that | 16:24 |
| mugsie | we should be using the LBaaS V2 API | 16:24 |
| sballe | +1 | 16:24 |
| xgerman | +100 | 16:24 |
| mugsie | so, whatever is supported in that, we do | 16:24 |
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| mugsie | Santosh: what did you have in mind? | 16:25 |
| Santosh | Currently with neutron-lbaas we have Vendor specific LB configuration | 16:27 |
| KunalGandhi | To my understanding the plugin drivers for GSLB and LBaaS would be different right.. since we do not need all entities that LBaaS has in GSLB | 16:27 |
| mugsie | yeah. There should be vendor plugins for GSLB drivers | 16:27 |
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| mugsie | and they can drive LBs, but will have differing features | 16:28 |
| Santosh | So GSLB should be aware of Type (vendor) and propagate relevant information? | 16:28 |
| mugsie | Santosh: from the regional LBs? | 16:28 |
| Santosh | Yes | 16:28 |
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| mugsie | unless it is in the LBaaS V2 API, I would say no | 16:29 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:29 |
| Santosh | Say For a Vendor specific orchestration Layer it should be passing corresponding LB info | 16:30 |
| xgerman | I am not following | 16:30 |
| mugsie | can you give an example? | 16:30 |
| xgerman | so GSLB should go around LBaaS V2? | 16:30 |
| KunalGandhi | @Santosh .. this for GSLB to talk to regional LBs ? | 16:30 |
| Santosh | Say for regional LB we have neutron-lbaas vendor specific LBs | 16:31 |
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| KunalGandhi | ok.. | 16:32 |
| mugsie | Santosh: what sort of information are you thinking should be passed, that is not in the LBaaS V2 API? | 16:32 |
| KunalGandhi | @Santosh .. Can you gives us a use case for which GSLB driver needs to talk to the regional LB's ? | 16:33 |
| Santosh | and for GSLB vendor specific driver ,it should be able to select/pass from those LBs as regional LBs | 16:33 |
| mugsie | ah, I get it | 16:33 |
| mugsie | honestly, I would not like that personally. We would be breaking the "same API everywhere" goal of openstack | 16:33 |
| sballe | so some sort of scheduler? or selection mechanism to forward requests to the right type of LB? | 16:33 |
| sballe | I m just making sure I understand what @Santosh | 16:34 |
| sballe | is saying | 16:34 |
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| mugsie | they could be added as "TCP LB Type", i suppose. | 16:35 |
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| Santosh | Agree with mugsie , I will update the doc with use case | 16:36 |
| mugsie | Santosh: great :) | 16:37 |
| KunalGandhi | @Santosh .. +1 a use case would definitely help | 16:37 |
| sballe | +1 | 16:37 |
| xgerman | +1 | 16:37 |
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| mugsie | OK, anything else on the todo list? | 16:38 |
| sballe | When are we going ot discuss API? | 16:38 |
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| mugsie | as an FYI, me, dougwig, and KunalGandhi have put in a talk for tokyo | 16:39 |
| KunalGandhi | once we convert the current API doc into an API, we can discuss the API and finalize it for MVP | 16:39 |
| mugsie | ah, sballe we can re discuss again, now... but there was a lot of discussion last week, and the doc does not have those updates | 16:39 |
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| mugsie | is there anything in particualr you want changed sballe ? | 16:40 |
| sballe | ok np. Like I said now that I have this meeting in my calendar I will show up every time | 16:40 |
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| mugsie | i think we are done for today then? | 16:41 |
| sballe | @mugsie no I will look it over again and reach out to you if I have nay questions | 16:41 |
| KunalGandhi | @mugsie .. yes.. | 16:41 |
| mugsie | KunalGandhi: can you #endmeeting ? | 16:42 |
| mugsie | (has to be the chair) | 16:42 |
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| KunalGandhi | ok.. | 16:42 |
| sballe | bye. | 16:42 |
| KunalGandhi | #endmeeting | 16:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 21 16:42:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb_discussion/2015/gslb_discussion.2015-07-21-16.04.html | 16:42 |
| mugsie | o/ | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gslb_discussion/2015/gslb_discussion.2015-07-21-16.04.txt | 16:42 |
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