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| markvoelker | #startmeeting defcore | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 01:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 01:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 01:00 |
| markvoelker | #chair hogepodge | 01:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hogepodge markvoelker | 01:00 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 01:00 |
| catherineD | o/ | 01:00 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.7 Agenda for today | 01:01 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: around? | 01:01 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 01:01 |
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| markvoelker | anyone else today? Rob and Egle are out. | 01:01 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 01:01 |
| rockyg | o/ | 01:01 |
| markvoelker | Ok then, off we go.... | 01:02 |
| hogepodge | Please drop your timezone also. | 01:02 |
| hogepodge | PDT | 01:02 |
| hurricanerix | CST | 01:02 |
| catherineD | PDT | 01:02 |
| markvoelker | EDT | 01:02 |
| markvoelker | #topic Alternating meeting schedule review | 01:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Alternating meeting schedule review (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 01:02 | |
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| markvoelker | So earlier in the flag cycle we adopted an alternating meeting schedule and set an AI for today to talk about whether it's working out or not. | 01:03 |
| markvoelker | The idea was to make DefCore meetings more accessible to global participation. | 01:03 |
| markvoelker | Looking back over past meeting logs, we have gotten some AsiaPac participation...though not a lot. | 01:03 |
| markvoelker | Personally I'm fine with the current alternating times, but it's worth discussing. Any strong opinions? | 01:04 |
| rockyg | pdt | 01:04 |
| hogepodge | I've noticed smaller participation for the later time, and some europeans stating the later time is not possible for them. | 01:05 |
| hogepodge | I'd prefer the early morning (PDT) time, but it's not an overly strong preference. | 01:05 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: we are getting some participation from AsiaPac at the later time though...do you know of European folks interested in attending that aren't because of the time? | 01:06 |
| markvoelker | Personally today's meeting time isn't super great for me, but it's not horrible either and I'm happy to keep it if it means we're letting AsiaPac participate. | 01:07 |
| hogepodge | one person from the tailgate group was adamant that the meeting time for tonight isn't possible to attend. | 01:07 |
| catherineD | do we get European folks at the earlier time? | 01:07 |
| rockyg | tailgate? | 01:08 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: what about the other alternating week timeslot (15:00 UTC). That should be much more doable for Europe, no? | 01:08 |
| hogepodge | rockyg: it's an interoperability and testing group formed in Vancouver | 01:08 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: I can check | 01:08 |
| markvoelker | Ok. I'm happy to take this up on the ML again if folks think it's worth a broader discussion. | 01:08 |
| markvoelker | (feel free to say "yes, do that Mark!" or "No, don't do that Mark!" now folks =p) | 01:09 |
| hogepodge | Yes, take it to the mailing list Mark! :-D | 01:10 |
| rockyg | I know someHuawei folks have attended the later meetings. I don't know if they spoke up, though ;-) | 01:10 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge, rockyg: duly noted. | 01:10 |
| markvoelker | Ok, the other meeting thing we had to talk about was separating out capabilities meetings again since we've spent approximately zero time on that so far in Flag cycle meetings. | 01:10 |
| markvoelker | I think there's no real opposition to doing this (speak up if there is), so I'll put something out on the ML. | 01:11 |
| markvoelker | WE're going to talk about capabilities scoring a bit more later in today's meeting, so I suggest we move on. | 01:11 |
| markvoelker | #action: markvoelker to start ML discussion meeting times and capabilities meeting breakout | 01:12 |
| markvoelker | #topic midcycle agenda | 01:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midcycle agenda (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 01:12 | |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle Midcycle agenda (tentative) | 01:12 |
| markvoelker | Those of you who expressed interest in helping plan the midcycle got together last week to frame up a tentative agenda, which is in the etherpad above | 01:13 |
| markvoelker | One note: | 01:13 |
| markvoelker | since then we've spoken to the Neutron and Nova PTL's and they've agreed to attend | 01:13 |
| markvoelker | But the timeslot we had doesn't work for them (one is in the UK, one is in Minnesota for what it's worth) | 01:13 |
| rockyg | waht about glance? | 01:13 |
| markvoelker | They're available on the morning of the first day, so we'll be moving the networking discussion to then | 01:14 |
| rockyg | OK by me. | 01:14 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: good question. hogepodge, you were going to reach out to Nikhil? | 01:14 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: yes, I haven't yet. I'll add it to my todo for tomorrow. | 01:14 |
| markvoelker | FWIW, the Nova PTL said he'd be interested in doing that right after the networking discussion. | 01:15 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: ok, thanks | 01:15 |
| rockyg | He'll be in Virginia, so if we need him with the nova ptl, it's a bit easier, maybe. | 01:15 |
| markvoelker | #action: hogepodge to reach out to Glance PTL about remoting in to midcycle on the morning of the 29th | 01:15 |
| markvoelker | We also need to settle on a remote attendance mechanism and get that set up (Google Hangout/Join.me/whatever) | 01:16 |
| markvoelker | But that's not particularly urgent. | 01:16 |
| markvoelker | I'll give myself an AI to work out the mechanics with our esteemed chairs and get the final schedule published so folks can plan. | 01:17 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker to work with zehicle, eglute, hogepodge to finalize remote attendance details and agenda once we hear from Glance PTL | 01:17 |
| markvoelker | Any other midcycle stuff we need to talk about? | 01:17 |
| hogepodge | IBM may have a sophisticated system in place. Do you know catherineD? | 01:17 |
| rockyg | Maybe. Hotels nearby? | 01:18 |
| hogepodge | Just a reminder that the board meeting is the day before | 01:18 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: you will be connected to IBMVisitor wireless network .. | 01:18 |
| rockyg | Like within walking distance? | 01:18 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: I'm staying at Aloft which is basically across the street. | 01:18 |
| rockyg | cool. How's that mesh with the board meeting location? | 01:18 |
| hogepodge | I'll be looking for an AirBnB, and maybe the Aloft since I'll be there for the entire week. | 01:19 |
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| rockyg | And, IBM might need pre-registration or picture ID. Only an issue for non-flyers | 01:19 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: not great but not horrible I think? I won't be in town in time for the Board meeting so I didn't take that into account. | 01:19 |
| rockyg | Thanks | 01:20 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: yeah, I think vince was going to send out a note with whatever was needed. | 01:20 |
| markvoelker | Ok, anything else on midcycle? | 01:20 |
| catherineD | rockyg: markvoelker: hogepodge: do you all leave on Thursday? | 01:20 |
| vinceb | We will need a list of people that are in attendance so that I can enter them in to the system | 01:20 |
| hogepodge | I leave early Friday morning | 01:20 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: I'm flying out early Friday too. | 01:20 |
| vinceb | You all will need picture IDs to show to security for temporary badges. | 01:21 |
| catherineD | oh if that is the case I should leave Friday also .... Thanks .. | 01:21 |
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| markvoelker | vinceb: Just names? We could use the etherpad for that perhaps? | 01:21 |
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| rockyg | I think I'm Friday, am, too. | 01:21 |
| markvoelker | or whatever is easiest for you... | 01:21 |
| vinceb | markvoelker: Just names and you can email me a list or we can put them in etherpad. Either way works for me | 01:22 |
| markvoelker | vinceb: ok, thanks. And so: | 01:22 |
| markvoelker | #action everyone If you're coming to the midcycle, please add your name to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle | 01:23 |
| vinceb | As for accomodations for those that are travelling. The IBM address is 11501 Burnet Rd. Austin, TX | 01:23 |
| vinceb | You should be able to find plenty of accomodations near by. | 01:24 |
| markvoelker | And in case anyone forgets, that address is also in the etherpad. =) | 01:24 |
| markvoelker | Ok, anything else on midcycle? | 01:25 |
| markvoelker | #topic Review backlog | 01:25 |
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| markvoelker | We have a bunch of reviews in the queue that have been sitting around for a while. | 01:26 |
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| markvoelker | We can spend some time on these at the midcycle if necessary, but many of them seem like they're low-hanging fruit that we could easily clear off the plate before then. | 01:26 |
| markvoelker | (and thus free up more time for other stuff) | 01:27 |
| markvoelker | I've taken a stab at bucketizing them in the etherpad for today's meeting: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.7 | 01:27 |
| rockyg | Yeah, I did two in the time I connected to the meeting and its start | 01:27 |
| markvoelker | I figured I'd bargain a little tonight. =) If we move on to the last item on the agenda for tonight, we'll probably finish early. | 01:29 |
| markvoelker | So if we do that, would folks be willing to hang around and use the extra time to review the first 10 or so on the list? Those should all be pretty low-hanging fruitish I think. | 01:29 |
| markvoelker | So probably an easy way to slice the backlog in half before the hour is out. | 01:29 |
| markvoelker | Sound good? | 01:30 |
| rockyg | Works for me. | 01:30 |
| * markvoelker sits quietly hoping for more positive acknowledgements | 01:31 | |
| markvoelker | Pretty please? =) | 01:31 |
| vinceb | I have to drop. You all have a good day/evening. | 01:31 |
| markvoelker | vinceb: thanks, you too | 01:31 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: works for me too | 01:31 |
| hurricanerix | works for me as well | 01:32 |
| * markvoelker looks in hogepodge's direction although he's probably the submitter on some of these and has reviewed others already | 01:32 | |
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| markvoelker | Excellent! I'll count that as a win. Ok, moving on then.... | 01:32 |
| markvoelker | #topic Capabilities review | 01:32 |
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| rockyg | I'd like to discuss two that are related. The glance ones, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189867/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196154/ | 01:33 |
| rockyg | Oops. Sorry. Jumped the gun... | 01:33 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: want to leave your comments in gerrit and we'll discuss at the end of the meeting if there's time? | 01:33 |
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| rockyg | Yup. Just wondering if they might really be the same thing and should be merged or something | 01:34 |
| markvoelker | We've very briefly discussed capabilities scoring a little bit on the tail end of previous meetings, and it'll be on the agenda at the midcycle too | 01:34 |
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| markvoelker | But I think there's a little pre-work we need to do before then | 01:34 |
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| markvoelker | In a nutshell, I think we need to split up the work of identifying candidates to addition to the next Guideline. There's just no way we have enough bandwidth to do it all in meetings. | 01:35 |
| markvoelker | So, I'd like to see if there are folks interested in working on particular projects. I'm already working on networking, so I'm happy to tackle Neutron/Nova. | 01:36 |
| markvoelker | Basically you just need to identify candidate capabilities that you think are strong enough canddiates to include in a future spec to have a discussion about. | 01:36 |
| markvoelker | Preferably you consult with the PTL and/or technical contributors. | 01:37 |
| markvoelker | Then once we decide on a fomrat, you can post them to gerrit for folks to review. We'll use meeting time for ones that there's not consensus on. | 01:37 |
| markvoelker | Generally make sense? | 01:38 |
| markvoelker | If we can at least decide on owners before Austin, we'll have a nice head start. | 01:38 |
| rockyg | so we have nova, neutron, cinder, keystone.. what else? | 01:38 |
| markvoelker | (or co-owners....nothing says you have to do it alone) | 01:38 |
| rockyg | Oh, swift | 01:38 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: I put a list in the etherpad. | 01:38 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 01:38 |
| markvoelker | It's not all of the components in the last integrated release, but it's most of the ones that are widely deployed in the last user survey. | 01:39 |
| hurricanerix | If there is Swift stuff, I can help with that if needed since I already contribute to it. | 01:39 |
| hogepodge | I'd like to note that we had an error crop up in the keystond capabilities and components | 01:39 |
| rockyg | I think we can count glance out until they come to some agreement with nova and themselves | 01:39 |
| hogepodge | It's not a required component in 2015.05, but has a required capability. | 01:40 |
| markvoelker | And to be clear: you're not signing up for work that has to be done immediately. We're obliged to complete the scoring by September 27th according to the 2015A process doc. | 01:40 |
| markvoelker | hurricanerix: excellent! | 01:40 |
| hogepodge | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2015-July/000891.html | 01:40 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: duly noted, can I sign you up to work on keystone again this time around? You did that last time and are well familiar with it I believe. =) | 01:41 |
| * markvoelker isn't buttering hogepodge up....nope, not at all | 01:41 | |
| hogepodge | yes, although there isn't much there in terms of non-admin api | 01:41 |
| rockyg | I would go for cinder, but I've got booth duty at OSCon :P | 01:41 |
| hogepodge | ptl might have some minor changes | 01:41 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: OSCON shouldn't be a problem. You have months before it all needs to be done (but the sooner the better) | 01:42 |
| rockyg | Oh. then count me in. I've got a sorta working relationship with Mike Perez | 01:42 |
| markvoelker | rockyg: thanks! | 01:42 |
| markvoelker | I can take Nova as well I suppose, since I'm talking with them about networking stuff anyway.... | 01:43 |
| markvoelker | Anyone for Glance, Heat, Ceilometer, other? | 01:43 |
| catherineD | I can take Heat | 01:44 |
| hogepodge | I'll do glance | 01:44 |
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| markvoelker | thank you catherineD, hogepodge | 01:44 |
| rockyg | maybe some morning person will sign up for ceilometer :_) | 01:44 |
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| markvoelker | Ceilometer anyone? I know some of the ceilometer devs, but nova and neutron seem like they're going to be mighty time consuming already.... | 01:45 |
| markvoelker | Ok, we'll table that one for now and ask for volunteers again later....we're missing some folks tonight so still able baodies at hand. | 01:46 |
| rockyg | Put it in the meeting summary and ask for volunteers in it. A morning cycle person might volunteer. | 01:46 |
| catherineD | So we will use the Capability names from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Fkt2n95WPPe7CYH-0WIKz3dhMeW3FW2gl5aSlamEeY/edit?pli=1#gid=561264013? | 01:47 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: that's a fine starting point, yes. | 01:48 |
| markvoelker | One other note on capabilities: VanL and I were supposed to try to meet last week before he went on PTO to discuss scoring mechanisms, but couldn't work out a time before the holiday. | 01:48 |
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| markvoelker | I'll be circling back with him next when when he's back | 01:48 |
| markvoelker | So look for a note from one or both of us on the ML with a proposed mechanism after then. | 01:48 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Fkt2n95WPPe7CYH-0WIKz3dhMeW3FW2gl5aSlamEeY/edit?pli=1#gid=561264013? capability names | 01:49 |
| markvoelker | Anything else on this? | 01:49 |
| markvoelker | #topic open floor | 01:50 |
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| markvoelker | Anything else anyone wants to bring up tonight before we adjourn to go review patches? | 01:50 |
| markvoelker | Going once... | 01:51 |
| catherineD | Let's review patches .. | 01:51 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: sold! | 01:51 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 01:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 01:51:39 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-07-09-01.00.html | 01:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-07-09-01.00.txt | 01:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2015/defcore.2015-07-09-01.00.log.html | 01:51 |
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| sigmavirus24 | o/ nikhil_k | 13:56 |
| nikhil_k | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishekk | 13:56 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I'm just in a good mood | 13:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | sorry | 13:59 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 14:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | #topic agenda and roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda and roll call (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 14:00 |
| bpoulos | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | Let's see who is around | 14:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:00 |
| krykowski | o/ | 14:00 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 14:01 |
| TravT_away | o/ | 14:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: you around? | 14:01 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 14:01 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:01 |
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| kragniz | sigmavirus24: aye aye | 14:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | :D | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | Great turnout! | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | Let's get started | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:02 | |
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| nikhil_k | #info Artifacts sub-team meeting update | 14:02 |
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| nikhil_k | We had a decent discussion. ativelkov was working on some oslo-vo changes. | 14:02 |
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| mfedosin | hi, Alex is not here, but I suppose he is still working on oslo.vo :) | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | API evolution is in progress and needs to be discussed further with the WG. | 14:03 |
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| krykowski | doesn't he need any help on oslo.vo? :) | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | I guess Alex is working on the summary | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | we started to work on stable api yesterday | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 14:03 |
| mfedosin | krykowski, he said that his changes break nova | 14:04 |
| mfedosin | and it's not easy to fix because it requires a lot of work on the nova side | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | also, mfedosin is working on the client. | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | so Alex finds ways how to workaround that | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:05 |
| sabari | o/ | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | The question raised was whether to move ahead with client before the API stabilizes or after | 14:05 |
| krykowski | mfedosin, cool, if any help needed I'm in here ;) | 14:05 |
| mfedosin | krykowski, thanks | 14:06 |
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| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I'd say this is brilliant opportunity to utilize feature branch on client and go parallel for a while | 14:06 |
| jokke_ | releasing from master and having the artifact stuff following on feature branch | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | I think we can merge the existing code and if api changes we will change the client code too | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | umm, what other need exist for feature branch jokke_ ? | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: the branch needs to be created | 14:07 |
| mfedosin | jokke_, hmm, good idea, btw | 14:07 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: then obviously if we want CIs running tests they need to be configured | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: there are some other factors like the semver versioning of the client API | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: if it's gunna change we shouldn't add it to master | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: makes sense | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | I doubt it we should start the CI before API is fixed | 14:08 |
| jokke_ | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#feature-branches | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | the client question also applies to tempest changes | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | We are running behind | 14:09 |
| mfedosin | I strongly agree with jokke_'s suggestion | 14:09 |
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| nikhil_k | Let's move on for now. We can continue next week on this | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | that would make the testing bit easier while yest it will have bit of maintenance overhead with rebases to master | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | #info Drivers' team meeting update | 14:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | +1 jokke_ | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yeah | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | For the drivers' meeting, we chatted a bit more on the drivers' team evolution and the specs process | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | I guess people voted on Stuart to be added to the team, given he wants to and has time | 14:11 |
| nikhil_k | One more thing was we don't have specs merged. This process needs some change and documentation. | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | Also, Liberty is unlikely to have many specs merged as our focus is stability, support of v2 in Nova as possible given we match their constraints | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | And we need to have Artifacts in a state that's acceptable to the community - that may mean moving the API out of the EXPERIMENTAL mode | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | I guess the first thing to cover would be finding the specs that are likely to be merged in Liberty and are not in priority. | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | Fox example: I mentioned to the person who was interested in impl quotas that the feature seems rather difficult even for L3 | 14:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: agreed on that | 14:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | personally I hope to have some time soon to review bpoulos's work on image signing and encryption. we said at the summit we wanted to pull that in | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, I would like to see that one through. bpoulos , sigmavirus24 | 14:17 |
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| bpoulos | sigmavirus24: I would appreciate that | 14:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | bpoulos: I hope to rope in reaperhulk too | 14:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | (who was at your session standing over to your right against the wall) | 14:18 |
| bpoulos | sigmavirus24: great, yeah, I've met him before | 14:18 |
| * flaper87 kinda late | 14:19 | |
| nikhil_k | Let's move on for now. We can chat more if needed in open discussion | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | #topic M-Release name | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "M-Release name (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:19 | |
| nikhil_k | I see kragniz updated the etherpad? | 14:20 |
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| nikhil_k | what's more likely than Meiji (明治) ? | 14:20 |
| kragniz | from the ML thread, it looks like another name will be picked | 14:20 |
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| nikhil_k | thanks | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Return request ID to caller | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Return request ID to caller (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:21 | |
| jokke_ | Meiji had apparently some minority target issues ... normal open OpenStack communication principles followed and none of the reasoning was told | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | That name changed | 14:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: the reasoning was explained in the thread that asked we not use it | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | sorry, lag | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | I think it's fine now | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: you should be sorry =P | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: :D | 14:22 |
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| nikhil_k | We had some discussion on the Return request ID proposal in the CPL meeting. | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | The proposal is being reworked to impl return of obj (it's WIP) | 14:23 |
| abhishekk | nikhil_k: yes, I am working on POC for solution provided by lifeless | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-07-07-21.01.log.html#l-58 | 14:24 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.openstack.org/156508 | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | That one seems interesting and was hoping to get more feedback based on the use case lifeless described (from folks here) | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | may be there are more return val expected than req IDs | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | input at this point would be nice | 14:25 |
| abhishekk | nikhil_k: most probably in next week CPL meeting i will come up with code | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | abhishekk: thanks | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Travel Support program | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Travel Support program (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:25 | |
| sigmavirus24 | I'd like to see the POC before weighing in. Lifeless' suggestion makes sense | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | #info for awareness https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Travel_Support_Program | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | Those who want to travel to Tokyo, this is a nice opportunity to get funding outside of the regular corporate channels | 14:26 |
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| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: thanks | 14:27 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Rolling upgrade (krykowski) | 14:27 |
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| krykowski | the first question is if we are aware of any incoming issues related to upgrading Glance with no downtime between releases, e.g. Kilo -> Liberty? | 14:27 |
| krykowski | as we are api-oriented (which is stateless), we do not provide backwards incompatible changes and as I know we do not use internal rpc communication between services we should be free of issues when upgrading Glance to newer version. is that correct, or have missed something? | 14:28 |
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| nikhil_k | krykowski: I guess the questions here is does oslo.vo support the CRUD style dynamic prop protections? | 14:28 |
| jokke_ | have anyone paid any attention lately to make that happen? :P | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | I think we need to do API version bump on this cycle again | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: oops, any link? | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: what changes require it ? | 14:29 |
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| krykowski | nikhil_k: what do you mean by CRUD style dynamic prop protections? | 14:30 |
| * jokke_ tries to find ... just reviewed it like 2 days ago | 14:30 | |
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| nikhil_k | krykowski: we have a possible rpc channel from g-api to g-reg | 14:30 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: fwiw, I did mention in a change that approving it would require a version bump, I just don't recall which one | 14:30 |
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| nikhil_k | krykowski: Data consistency when you are allowed to read a subset of metadata and write another subset of the metadata units | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | I wonder if we need v.o at all for rolling upgrades in glance | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | v.o, afaiu, were originally created to communicate with services like nova-conductor | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | which would act as the *only* interface on the database | 14:32 |
| krykowski | nikhil_k: will need to get familiar with the g-reg | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | in glance's case, it could either be glance-api and/or glance-registry | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | well for offline migrations and static stlye data passing between services | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: I think we're talking about the same change | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | but I don't think we've had backwards incompatible changes in the schema lately | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | but I might be wrong there | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | there has been also quite a few proposals with APIImacts flying lately, not sure how many of them merged | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | mentioning the schema since that's what v.o would help with | 14:33 |
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| nikhil_k | It's not just DB schema that matters afaict | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | what I'm trying to say is that, I'd love to see identified what problems we have for rolling upgrades first | 14:33 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: I know, but that's what v.o would help with | 14:33 |
| nikhil_k | it's the image locations migration as first example | 14:34 |
| * flaper87 was talking about v.o | 14:34 | |
| flaper87 | sorry for any confusion | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | offline migration | 14:34 |
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| nikhil_k | as an example: image loc that has creds | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | and we want to move it to using configs (swift store) | 14:35 |
| flaper87 | Can we, as we normally do, identify the issues we have? it'd be really useful to work on a better plan to solve those issues | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | yep | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | so yeah sorry if I was too aggressive on that, but IMO we don't have rolling upgrade per default before someone points out that there is no issues, due to the fact that it's not priority (unfortunately) in our dev process | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: the locations one is a good (and perhaps tough) one | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | the spec should ideally have that in the problem it tries to solve | 14:36 |
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| krykowski | sure is, will dig a bit and update the spec with specific issue | 14:36 |
| flaper87 | krykowski: thank you. FWIW, I think this is an important effort | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | ++ | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | I'm happy you are willing to spend time on it | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:37 |
| krykowski | flaper87: i'm here to serve you ;) | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | thanks krykowski . I guess we can revisit this in the later week. | 14:38 |
| krykowski | nikhil_k: yup, thanks for the direction! | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Reviews, Bugs and Releases | 14:38 |
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| kragniz | we need a new glance_store release for the py34 work | 14:39 |
| flaper87 | kragniz: wooooohhhhoooooooooo | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | krykowski: lifeless is the POC for that | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | oops, I meant kragniz | 14:39 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: yeah, just bringing it up here | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: was that you on python-glanceclient stable/kilo | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | also queued up bunch of stable stuff ... glance_store gotta wait until Cinder gets their client requirements fixed, but glanceclient backports would need some love | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | ? | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 14:40 |
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| jokke_ | if we merge the few in review atm. I think it would be good cut off to kick a release out of door as well | 14:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: thanks for bringing that up | 14:41 |
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| wko | I could really use some core reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195820/ | 14:42 |
| flaper87 | wko: hey thanks for raising that but please, wait until the open discussion | 14:42 |
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| wko | ok, sorry | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: any more updates for us? | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: not really ... seems that tests are bringing up .eggs/ so proposed gitignore for them now for all the repos, that's all from me now | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | cool, thanks | 14:44 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 14:44 |
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| nikhil_k | wko: flaper87 ^ | 14:44 |
| jokke_ | and obviously, please people when fixing bugs that does not change APIs remeber to mark them backport potential and/or propose backports so we get the stables fixed ;) | 14:44 |
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| wko | I could really use some core reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195820/ :) | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | wko: sorry I was eyeing that but it was too databasey for me ;) | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | I'll be out starting tomorrow until the 20th. If folks need something from me, this is the right moment | 14:45 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:45 |
| wko | and a +workflow on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138612/ | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: the stable reviews ;) | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: I was doing them on gertty | 14:46 |
| mfedosin | btw, 200k was today | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | wko: flaper87 wait, thanks waiting on thespec | 14:46 |
| flaper87 | I guess it hasn't synced | 14:46 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200000/ | 14:46 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: <3 after than you can enjoy your holidays ;) | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: w0000h0000 :D | 14:47 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: gratz!!! | 14:47 |
| mfedosin | danke :) Darja will finish it today | 14:48 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154695/ that one could use your +2A (or other vote) when you get a chance | 14:48 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: I'll just -2 that so we can freeze it forever, feel free to repropose ;) | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | thanks flaper87 . will take a look | 14:48 |
| mfedosin | jokke_, ;) then we will have unhandled exceptions from store forever | 14:49 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: that's a small prize to pay :P | 14:50 |
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| nikhil_k | If nothing more, we can conclude the meeting a few mins early. | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | that's what I call success | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | sounds good ... thanks everyone! | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | ;) | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | cheers | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | have a nice vacay flaper87 | 14:51 |
| kragniz | flaper87: have a good holiday! | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 14:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 14:52:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-07-09-14.00.html | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-07-09-14.00.txt | 14:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-07-09-14.00.log.html | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: kragniz grazie | 14:52 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT: meeting? | 15:01 |
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| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 15:04:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:04 |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 15:04 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:04 |
| TravT | Always fun when your internet drops right at the wrong time | 15:04 |
| TravT | Courtesy meeting reminder: lakshmiS, mclaren, nikhil, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, TravT, krykowski, david-lyle, wko, kragniz, sjmc7, ekarlso | 15:04 |
| lakshmiS | yeah thats what i thought.. | 15:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 15:05 |
| sjmc7 | o/ | 15:05 |
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| kragniz | o/ | 15:05 |
| TravT | hey all | 15:05 |
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| TravT | #topic status updates | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status updates (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:05 | |
| TravT | Just wanted to say Happy one month anniversary to us | 15:06 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:06 |
| sjmc7 | :) | 15:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | in which TravT becomes overly attached ptl | 15:06 |
| TravT | Just saw today that exactly a month ago we were voted in as a project. | 15:06 |
| TravT | lol | 15:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | uhuh, "Just saw" righttttt ;) | 15:06 |
| nikhil_k | :P | 15:06 |
| TravT | well, I had to help somebody submit a new governance proposal yesterday | 15:07 |
| TravT | and looked back on mine to help them. | 15:07 |
| TravT | :) | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: I wonder how many moments in a day you are not in a funny mood :) | 15:07 |
| TravT | but seriously, it did cause me to realize that we've actually come a long ways in a month | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k | in a good way :) | 15:07 |
| TravT | so thanks everybody for your help so far | 15:07 |
| TravT | ok, now that tears have been s | 15:08 |
| TravT | hed | 15:08 |
| TravT | let's move on | 15:08 |
| TravT | agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:08 |
| TravT | please add anything you want to talk about | 15:08 |
| TravT | #topic Midcycle update (TravT) | 15:08 |
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| TravT | So, we aren't going to have an official one. | 15:09 |
| sjmc7 | boo | 15:09 |
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| TravT | yeah, if we could have worked a shared one with glance and horizon, i think it could have worked. | 15:09 |
| TravT | but that proved difficult. | 15:09 |
| TravT | sjmc7 and I will be at the horizon one July 21 - 23rd | 15:10 |
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| TravT | so, if anybody has any possibility of showing up at that one, we can spend some time on searchlight | 15:10 |
| TravT | i intend on discussing integration with the horizon team there. | 15:10 |
| nikhil_k | I tried to figure out my travel possibility for July 21st week and it's seems very tricky at this point. | 15:10 |
| nikhil_k | it* | 15:11 |
| TravT | but we still can do some virtual meetup if needed. | 15:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah, my travel freedom isn't exactly great =/ | 15:11 |
| TravT | i'd like to keep our traction going. | 15:11 |
| TravT | we have made good progress. | 15:11 |
| TravT | even if lots of people are split focus | 15:11 |
| TravT | #topic Cross Project Updates | 15:12 |
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| TravT | I was only able to attend part of it | 15:12 |
| TravT | but there is some discussion on new API guidelines | 15:12 |
| TravT | if you have time take a look | 15:12 |
| TravT | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/068682.html | 15:12 |
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| TravT | nikhil_k or david-lyle, was there anything else we should share? | 15:13 |
| nikhil_k | umm, we are not going to impl passthrough for any service at this point right? | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | anyone planning on any idea like htat? | 15:14 |
| sjmc7 | passthrough? | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | user -> SL -> my_openstack_service ? | 15:14 |
| TravT | i haven't had any thoughts around doing that. | 15:15 |
| sjmc7 | ah. no, don't think so. like heat does? | 15:15 |
| nikhil_k | yeah :) | 15:15 |
| nikhil_k | then nothing from me :) | 15:15 |
| TravT | except for keystone authentication (transparent) | 15:15 |
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| TravT | ok then on to bug reviews | 15:15 |
| TravT | #topic bugs | 15:15 |
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| lakshmiS | Bug 1470627: Made progress in avoiding conflict with ceilometer notification listner. Will require some changes to ceilometer code too. will be talking with them | 15:16 |
| openstack | bug 1470627 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Searchlight does not receive notification when deployed in same env as Ceilometer" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470627 - Assigned to Lakshmi N Sampath (lakshmi-sampath) | 15:16 |
| TravT | lakshmiS: please fill us in | 15:16 |
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| lakshmiS | Was able to read the notification twice from ceilometer and searchlight with some code changes in ceilometer too | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | without creating additional topics? | 15:17 |
| lakshmiS | will be talking to their team on suggestions to changing their code for listner | 15:17 |
| lakshmiS | yeah on same topics | 15:17 |
| sjmc7 | and you're pretty sure that's the right way to go about it? | 15:18 |
| lakshmiS | yeah it feels correct to me. will know more if ceilometer team has any reservations around it | 15:19 |
| TravT | does this use pools? | 15:19 |
| lakshmiS | yes | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i know a bunch of the ceilometer guys in fort collins if you want me (or travis) to talk to them. i'm there in two weeks | 15:19 |
| lakshmiS | sound good. thx | 15:19 |
| TravT | i also have found a workaround that we could suggest to them. i have found it to be pretty effective. | 15:19 |
| TravT | just kill ceilometer-anotification | 15:19 |
| sjmc7 | is it "disable ceilometer" ?:) | 15:20 |
| TravT | :-) | 15:20 |
| lakshmiS | yeah why didnt i think about that ;) | 15:20 |
| TravT | i dunno seems obvious to me | 15:20 |
| TravT | well, lakshmiS, i think you should take it directly to them. | 15:20 |
| TravT | have they had their weekly meeting yet this week | 15:20 |
| sjmc7 | yeah. be great to get this fixed | 15:20 |
| TravT | probably you should submit a bug or something first to them | 15:21 |
| lakshmiS | yeah that was my plan. will do | 15:21 |
| TravT | and then bring it up. | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | we should parameterize the topic in searchlight, also | 15:21 |
| sjmc7 | currently it's hardcoded in each plugin. probably ties in with endre's blueprint about plugin config | 15:21 |
| david-lyle | ceilometer is having a virtual sprint today and tomorrow, I believe | 15:22 |
| david-lyle | so no weekly meeting | 15:22 |
| TravT | interesting. do you have info on that david-lyle? | 15:22 |
| TravT | maybe lakshmi could just jump in there | 15:22 |
| david-lyle | will find | 15:22 |
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| lakshmiS | thx david-lyle: | 15:23 |
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| TravT | lakshmiS, if you have even the beginning of some code that you could submit as work in progress to searchlight and ceilometer | 15:23 |
| TravT | that would be helpful as well. | 15:23 |
| lakshmiS | yeah will do | 15:23 |
| david-lyle | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/068911.html | 15:23 |
| TravT | makes it easier to discuss | 15:23 |
| TravT | sjmc7, should we talk more about the topic parameterization now, later, or next meeting? | 15:24 |
| sjmc7 | it's not on the agenda, but i think we could agree something pretty quick | 15:24 |
| TravT | let's circle back then during ekarlo's topic if he arrives | 15:25 |
| sjmc7 | k | 15:25 |
| lakshmiS | TravT: sjmc7: sound like topic parameterization could be included under making plugin configurable file | 15:25 |
| TravT | Bug 1469813: | 15:26 |
| openstack | bug 1469813 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Glance images 'Public images do not have members'" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469813 - Assigned to Steve McLellan (sjmc7) | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | yeah lakshmiS, endre has a BP for it already | 15:26 |
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| sjmc7 | i have a review up for 1469813 | 15:26 |
| TravT | this is pretty important | 15:26 |
| TravT | otherwise, no images show up in the index on fresh devstack | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | sigmavirus | 15:26 |
| sjmc7 | gah. sigmavirus24 had one comment i addressed | 15:27 |
| sjmc7 | needs reviews | 15:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | oh I didn't notice that you addressed it | 15:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | let me look again | 15:27 |
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| TravT | sjmc7 I just tested it about 30 minutes ago | 15:27 |
| TravT | and it does seem to solve the issue | 15:27 |
| TravT | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196754/ | 15:27 |
| nikhil_k | thanks TravT | 15:27 |
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| TravT | ok, thanks | 15:29 |
| TravT | Bug 1469336: | 15:29 |
| openstack | bug 1469336 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Errors are returned as html" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1469336 | 15:29 |
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| TravT | sjmc7 you filed this one and nobody has picked it up | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | i filed this. it's not hugely urgent | 15:29 |
| sjmc7 | just looks messy | 15:29 |
| TravT | yeah, i was just looking at it, thinking that we'll want a json response when using it from horizon | 15:30 |
| sjmc7 | right | 15:30 |
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| sjmc7 | well, always. we'll never want html responses. it's not a big deal, needs some middleware | 15:30 |
| TravT | so, if anybody can pick it up, please do | 15:30 |
| TravT | any other bugs anybody wants to discuss? | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | yes.. | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | oh wait, the notifications one we already did | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | sorry. then no | 15:31 |
| TravT | we'll wait for sjmc7 to make sure he's sure | 15:32 |
| TravT | :P | 15:32 |
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| TravT | #topic blueprint review | 15:32 |
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| TravT | ekarlso, are you here? | 15:32 |
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| TravT | i think he's usually on his way home at this time of day | 15:33 |
| TravT | so, maybe he'll be on shortly. | 15:33 |
| TravT | since he added those | 15:33 |
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| TravT | sjmc7, looks like you added a few | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | i did | 15:33 |
| sjmc7 | nova support | 15:34 |
| sjmc7 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/nova-instances-plugin | 15:34 |
| sjmc7 | i have a WIP patch up (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198852/) | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | which is a pretty close copy of what we had for the summit demo | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | feedback etc welcome | 15:35 |
| sjmc7 | stunned silence NOT welcome | 15:35 |
| nikhil_k | ++ | 15:35 |
| TravT | rosmaita: nikhil_k: | 15:36 |
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| sjmc7 | nikhil_k, i know you have concerns about versioned objects | 15:36 |
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| sjmc7 | i don't know what they are :) | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | I am to follow up a bit with John and TravT and I discussed to move on it further. | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | come back!! | 15:36 |
| sjmc7 | ok | 15:36 |
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| sjmc7 | i'll get a unit test up for it, but otherwise there's not much more i'm doing on it now | 15:36 |
| TravT | sigmavirus24: you better not leave! | 15:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | sigmatroll, there? | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | :P | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | if there's no more on that one, the other one was https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/openstack-client-usage | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | which i filed about 30 minutes ago | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:37 |
| TravT | wait a sec | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | there's push for it | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | but I doubt if things are there yet | 15:37 |
| sjmc7 | ok. i shall wait | 15:37 |
| TravT | on nova instances, should we look to get work in progress of it in sooner and enhance it? | 15:37 |
| TravT | or wait? | 15:37 |
| TravT | definitely needs to be looked at first, of course | 15:38 |
| sjmc7 | i'd like to get it in if we can | 15:38 |
| nikhil_k | I don;t mind merging a smaller set of impl | 15:38 |
| TravT | just wondering what we'll use to decide it is enough to have first merge | 15:38 |
| nikhil_k | Can we list all that we need as a part of that BP? | 15:39 |
| nikhil_k | is this just instances plugin? | 15:39 |
| sjmc7 | yeah | 15:40 |
| nikhil_k | I see the notes on summit prototype and was wondering if enhancements expected were along those lines? | 15:40 |
| sjmc7 | i want to get the base in first | 15:40 |
| TravT | i think getting a series of patches in is easier to review | 15:41 |
| sjmc7 | i can't remember exactly what enhancements we listed but i'd like ot get something that works in, then make it better | 15:41 |
| TravT | i don't want to fall in the trap of massive patches that never merge. | 15:41 |
| TravT | especially at this stage of the project | 15:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | Agreed with TravT | 15:41 |
| nikhil_k | I am curious more about the BP, I like smaller patches | 15:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | TravT: it's a good thing david-lyle witnessed our interaction at the summit otherwise people might expect that we'd be the same human being | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | ok. well, give whatever feedback. i'm keen to get this in so i'll make sure i put time aside | 15:42 |
| TravT | lol | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | :D | 15:42 |
| nikhil_k | what should be plan for the BP? Entire nova DB or just a couple of tables? | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | just instances | 15:42 |
| nikhil_k | ok | 15:42 |
| sjmc7 | don't think in terms of tables :) | 15:42 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, then I was on the wrong page | 15:42 |
| TravT | so, then we need another bp for more than instances | 15:42 |
| nikhil_k | all we need is some check on whether this works for cells (which may need some work for initial index or may be notif too) | 15:43 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, uou and rosmaita are more knowledgable about nova, so we need your help on figuring out what all we should do for nova | 15:43 |
| sjmc7 | yeah - my nova knowledge is pretty limited | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | basically, instances can be great but we need meta and sys meta for the UX team to benefit | 15:44 |
| nikhil_k | especially if ironic and magnum are to be differentiated | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | i don't know what those are, but i can benefit from instances on their own :) | 15:44 |
| nikhil_k | (that's the first req I know) | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | ok. let's not go too far down this now, but agree that we need more BPs around this | 15:45 |
| TravT | so, i think on current patch we can keep pretty simple, but still get a test up on it and quick look from nikhil_k, others. | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 15:45 |
| TravT | ok... | 15:46 |
| TravT | running out of time | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | i had one more BP | 15:46 |
| TravT | what was your other BP in agenda? | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/openstack-client-usage | 15:46 |
| sjmc7 | very briefly (again) - the way the listener uses the openstack clients needs some TLC | 15:47 |
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| sjmc7 | to avoid reauthenticating on every event it caches authorized clients, but i'm sure someone can come up with a neater way to do it | 15:47 |
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| sigmavirus24 | sjmc7: I'm sure the keystone team has ideas | 15:48 |
| sjmc7 | and i also think that what's there right now will not deal with expired tokens properly. there's a quick fix for it, but there's also probably a nicer approach | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k | use keystone middleware | 15:48 |
| TravT | how does this relate to the bug | 15:48 |
| TravT | Bug 1471878: | 15:48 |
| openstack | bug 1471878 in OpenStack Search (Searchlight) "Service client auth in listener" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471878 | 15:48 |
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| sigmavirus24 | sjmc7: you should check out mfedosin's work in glance_store right now | 15:49 |
| sjmc7 | ah, yes. i thought i'd already filed it | 15:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | it looks to be a good lightweight solution | 15:49 |
| TravT | so they are the same? | 15:49 |
| sigmavirus24 | goto pypa | 15:49 |
| TravT | sigmarvirus24, do you have a link? | 15:49 |
| sjmc7 | not really TravT - the bug is to fix the current code | 15:49 |
| sjmc7 | the BP is to reimplement | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, that glance_store work seems a bit icky to me | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | https://github.com/openstack/keystonemiddleware is usually the best place to use cached tokens | 15:50 |
| sjmc7 | remember this isn't re-authing on behalf of a user, but essentially maintaining a long-running admin auth token. the summit demo code caught Unauthorized exceptions and cleared its cached clients | 15:50 |
| sjmc7 | the clients don't use keystonemiddle, do they? | 15:51 |
| nikhil_k | not that I know of | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | anyway, this can be discussed in the SL channel, don'tneed to do it here | 15:51 |
| nikhil_k | but can we wrap? | 15:51 |
| sjmc7 | possibly. let's discuss separately after folks have a chance to digest | 15:52 |
| TravT | ok, maybe we should come back on this. | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | i'll fix 147878 in the meantime | 15:52 |
| TravT | not sure ekarlso is back | 15:52 |
| TravT | but i would like to point out that he got a designate plugin up | 15:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | TravT: sorry, let me get that link | 15:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199049/5 | 15:53 |
| TravT | thanks sigmavirus24 | 15:54 |
| sjmc7 | will take a look, thanks | 15:54 |
| TravT | okay, let's get back to the talk on topics | 15:54 |
| TravT | i mean topic parameterization | 15:54 |
| TravT | actually... | 15:54 |
| TravT | #topic open discussion | 15:55 |
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| TravT | ist before going to that (we can jump to room if needed) | 15:55 |
| TravT | anything else anybody needs to bring up? | 15:55 |
| TravT | I need to mention I'll be out of office next Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k | Vacation season | 15:56 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, will you be around to chair the meeting? | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: will be and can do :) | 15:56 |
| TravT | thanks. | 15:56 |
| TravT | anything else from anybody? | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: let's chat on the channel about client reauth possibilites if you've time | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | sure | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | let me fix the currently filed bug first | 15:57 |
| TravT | FYI that nikhil_k and I recorded a PTL webinar on searchlight for the foundation yesterday | 15:57 |
| sjmc7 | so you can see what i want to replace | 15:57 |
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| TravT | they are supposed to publish those out soon | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: awesome thanks! | 15:57 |
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| nikhil_k | TravT: yay! | 15:57 |
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| TravT | how about we take the parameterization topic over to #openstack-searchlight | 15:58 |
| nikhil_k | hopefully they will be out today/tomorrow ish | 15:58 |
| TravT | Thanks everybody. See you in the room | 15:58 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 15:58:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-07-09-15.04.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-07-09-15.04.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-07-09-15.04.log.html | 15:58 |
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| cloudnull | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 16:01:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cloudnull. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:01 |
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| b3rnard0 | hello | 16:02 |
| andymccr | o/ | 16:02 |
| odyssey4me | o/ | 16:02 |
| palendae | o/ | 16:02 |
| qwebirc82056 | good day folks | 16:02 |
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| cloudnull | hi everybody | 16:02 |
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| serverascode | o/ | 16:03 |
| hughsaunders | hey | 16:03 |
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| qwebirc82056 | first time tacker joinee here - good to see you all | 16:04 |
| d34dh0r53 | o/ | 16:04 |
| cloudnull | welcome qwebirc82056 | 16:04 |
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| odyssey4me | welcome qwebirc82056 and serverascode :) | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | #topic Review action items from last week | 16:05 |
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| cloudnull | odyssey4me to update the specs for federation. | 16:05 |
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| cloudnull | looks like that was all done | 16:05 |
| cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/keystone-federation | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | cloudnull we will no longer backport things from master until its been +w / merged into master. | 16:06 |
| odyssey4me | yep, those are done and should be considered final - can we get some final reviews on https://review.openstack.org/194147 ? | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | also it seems that everyone is following that change | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | yes ^ that should be priority item https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194147/ | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194147/ | 16:07 |
| odyssey4me | and https://review.openstack.org/194255 | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | #topic Blueprints | 16:07 |
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| cloudnull | so jumping into the specs / bps | 16:07 |
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| cloudnull | odyssey4me: whats your feeling on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194255/ ? | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | do we think that we'll have working bits by 11.1.x ? | 16:08 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull yeah, we have some patches up for review which cover SSL-related stuff which we depend on | 16:09 |
| odyssey4me | let me pick them out for review attention: | 16:09 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:09 |
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| odyssey4me | #link: https://review.openstack.org/194474 (keystone SSL support) | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | #link: https://review.openstack.org/196943 (keystone v3 api usage in the Ansible library) | 16:10 |
| odyssey4me | #link: https://review.openstack.org/199307 (allow 'insecure' use of keystone by everything) | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | #link: https://review.openstack.org/198957 (ssl offloading to haproxy) | 16:11 |
| odyssey4me | if we can get some attention on those reviews and try to get them merged this week that'd really help | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | +1 | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | palendae hughsaunders sigmavirus24 mattt andymccr | 16:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | sorry, I'm here | 16:13 |
| hughsaunders | ok :) | 16:13 |
| odyssey4me | I think that the haproxy review still needs some attention. | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | about that one . | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | when i looked at it last it was forwarding ssl to the endpoing using tcp | 16:14 |
| odyssey4me | git-harry has raised a good point in https://review.openstack.org/199307 - perhaps the decision of whether to set 'insecure' should be manual? thoughts on that? | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | have we looked at haproxy 15 with ssl terminiation ? | 16:15 |
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| odyssey4me | cloudnull https://review.openstack.org/198957 is to use haproxy for ssl offloading, but https://review.openstack.org/194474 still implements ssl at the keystone endpoint as there are use-cases where people want to do both | 16:15 |
| * cloudnull was looking at that review | 16:17 | |
| odyssey4me | the haproxy patch will conflict with the keystone one at the moment, but we'll fix that - so I think that patch needs more work but the keystone one is good to go | 16:17 |
| cloudnull | my one nit there would be the use of "http://ppa.launchpad.net/vbernat/haproxy-1.5/ubuntu" | 16:17 |
| cloudnull | in the past we've had deployment issues when using ppa's | 16:17 |
| cloudnull | but i can cover that in the PR | 16:17 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull yeah, perhaps the decision of using the ppa should be made based on whether there are any ssl endpoints... not use it if it's not needed | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | +1, I'd also not be against simply adding the ability for us to compile / build the package for haproxy. | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | if we deem 1.5 is the way to go | 16:19 |
| stevelle | after reading the osad manifesto through once or twice that strikes me as not crazy | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-ansible-manifesto | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | wiki: | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackAnsible | 16:20 |
| odyssey4me | I have to admit, I haven't been able to read through it properly. :/ | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | i figured id wait a couple weeks before i pr to master. | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | for that reason, theres been a lot going on | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | but if anyone has a minute to review it please tear it apart. | 16:22 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull perhaps it should just be pr'd to master and we can edit/discuss in review? | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | maybe, ill wait a few more days for people to collaborate on the etherpad. | 16:23 |
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| hughsaunders | will have a read | 16:23 |
| stevelle | I'm still doing tiny edits to fix typos and what not | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | thanks stevelle hughsaunders | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | next on the BP reviews | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173067 | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | this is for ceilometer cores please do the needfuls | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | yep, I've just built it and it's build complete | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: mind if I piggy back my testing off your build? | 16:24 |
| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 sure, I'll add your keys | 16:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | gracias | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | msg sigmavirus 104.239.228.118 | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | hahaha | 16:26 |
| odyssey4me | whoops | 16:26 |
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| d34dh0r53 | lulz | 16:26 |
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| hughsaunders | odyssey4me: its ok we didn't see hunter2 | 16:27 |
| odyssey4me | it's built - I'm not all that familiar with ceilometer so perhaps someone can do some things to make pretty graphs and stuff? | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | #topic Open discussion | 16:27 |
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| cloudnull | should we move the docs out into their own repo and elect a new core team for docs? - cloudnull | 16:28 |
| cloudnull | what do we think ? | 16:28 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull if we can get a docs repo created in openstack/ then yeah, I think that's a good plan | 16:28 |
| palendae | IMO no; at least not all docs | 16:28 |
| andymccr | dont think they need their own repo. The docs should pertain only to the os-ad stuff the rest of "how to openstack" is/should already be doc'd. | 16:28 |
| d34dh0r53 | I nominate sigmavirus24 for core of docs | 16:29 |
| palendae | I don't want to see it become more of a "docs is THEIR job" thing | 16:29 |
| palendae | Docs should be on developers implementing a feature | 16:29 |
| palendae | At least part of them | 16:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | d34dh0r53: of course | 16:29 |
| stevelle | == palendae | 16:29 |
| palendae | we're already bad about keeping the docs we have up to date. I think this would just make it worse | 16:30 |
| odyssey4me | yeah, I am inclined to agree - we need to pay more attention to keeping docs up to date with code - and this makes it easier | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | ok. so for now, do we say no moving the docs ? | 16:32 |
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| andymccr | that would be my vote! | 16:33 |
| palendae | For now, no | 16:33 |
| palendae | Maybe if it morphs and gets bigger | 16:33 |
| andymccr | (if it really gets that big we are probably doing it wrong) | 16:33 |
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| palendae | I think we'll still need some stuff documenting the structure and so on for other devs | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | lets try this | 16:33 |
| palendae | but like andymccr says, that should be small | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | #startvote to move the docs into its own repo | 16:34 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | I agree with andymccr | 16:34 |
| palendae | Oo, using bot features | 16:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull: #startvote Should we move the docs into its own repo? Yes, no | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | #startvote to move the docs into its own repo? yes, no | 16:34 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: to move the docs into its own repo? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 16:34 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:34 |
| andymccr | #vote no | 16:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | #vote no | 16:34 |
| odyssey4me | #vote no | 16:35 |
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| stevelle | #vote no | 16:35 |
| palendae | #vote no | 16:35 |
| d34dh0r53 | #vote abstain | 16:35 |
| openstack | d34dh0r53: abstain is not a valid option. Valid options are yes, no. | 16:35 |
| Apsu | #vote pedro | 16:35 |
| openstack | Apsu: pedro is not a valid option. Valid options are yes, no. | 16:35 |
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| odyssey4me | lol | 16:35 |
| d34dh0r53 | damn, no Switzerland for me | 16:35 |
| cloudnull | good enough for me | 16:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | HAW HAW | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | #endvote | 16:36 |
| d34dh0r53 | #vote no | 16:36 |
| openstack | Voted on "to move the docs into its own repo?" Results are | 16:36 |
| openstack | no (5): sigmavirus24, palendae, stevelle, odyssey4me, andymccr | 16:36 |
| Apsu | d34dh0r53: You abstained anyway in the end. | 16:36 |
| d34dh0r53 | FRAUD, I clearly got my vote in before the bell | 16:36 |
| Apsu | Time to recount the hanging chads | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | next How should we handle the change in OpenStack package version numbers? odyssey4me | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | idk if this is a problem for us | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | so the two links outline the changes and what they mean | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | pbr should kick out the right version numbers, | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | this will affect upgrades | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | and we've been seeing this change in the recent master builds. IE http://rpc-repo.rackspace.com/os-releases/master/neutron-7.0.0.0b2.dev158-py2.py3-none-any.whl | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | if that's the case, then great | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | but perhaps an upgrade test can be done to confirm? | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | +1 | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | #action test upgrading from kilo to liberty (master) | 16:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | +1 | 16:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | Would it be a good idea to add greande jobs like upstream uses? | 16:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | (or to have jobs that test those upgrade paths) | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | sigmavirus24 that'd be great | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | i looked at that. those jobs seem to be reserved for os namespaced projects. | 16:39 |
| * sigmavirus24 wasn't volunteering | 16:39 | |
| stevelle | soon cloudnull | 16:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull: so soon that won't be a problem? | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | as well as the periotic jobs. | 16:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | == stevelle | 16:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | what about patriotic jobs? | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | ++ sigmavirus24 stevelle | 16:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | patriotic jobs are once a year and the 4th has passed. | 16:40 |
| stevelle | sigmavirus24: that's on your own time, son. | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | so is there anything pressing on the bug side. | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | any wish list items we want to raise ? | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | we've been smashing the open bugs so great works guys ! | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | littering and ? | 16:42 |
| andymccr | swift multi region reviews are starting to go in as a headsup! | 16:43 |
| stevelle | any mid-cycle events we expect to have folks showing up at? | 16:43 |
| stevelle | might be worth a mention | 16:43 |
| stevelle | suppose that was early, not in open discussion yet | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | we are stevelle | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | the ops midcycle is in planning (kinda) | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-July/007592.html | 16:45 |
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| cloudnull | it'd be great to get some more OSAD people in on that thread | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | for anyone interested. | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | +1 andymccr | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | also the kolla guys are looking into some of our modules to use within their, IE SamYaple, we might want to see if we can help out. it'd be a good collaborative effort . http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069014.html | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | *their project | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | and or participating in the thread, if anyone is interested. | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | thats all we have on the agenda today . im inclinded to end early if theres nothing else. | 16:50 |
| palendae | I don't have anything | 16:51 |
| * sigmavirus24 objects to ending early for no particular reason | 16:51 | |
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| d34dh0r53 | #vote yes | 16:51 |
| * d34dh0r53 is disenfranchised | 16:51 | |
| cloudnull | #noted sigmavirus24 objects | 16:51 |
| cloudnull | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 16:52:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-07-09-16.01.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-07-09-16.01.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-07-09-16.01.log.html | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | thanks everyone | 16:52 |
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| cathy_ | #startmeeting service_chaining | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 17:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
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| cathy_ | hi everyone | 17:00 |
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| Vikram_ | cathy_:hi | 17:00 |
| Swami | cathy_: hi | 17:00 |
| Mohankumar_ | Hi ! | 17:00 |
| bouthors | cathy_:hi | 17:00 |
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| LouisF | hi | 17:00 |
| Brian__ | hi | 17:01 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | #topic SFC spec, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192933/8/doc/source/api.rst | 17:01 |
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| amotoki | hi | 17:01 |
| cathy_ | any questions you would like to discuss? | 17:02 |
| cathy_ | on the spec? | 17:02 |
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| cathy_ | amotoki: hi, glad that you join the meeting | 17:02 |
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| s3wong | hello | 17:02 |
| numan | hi | 17:03 |
| cathy_ | let's discuss the parameter which is now changed to ChainParameter object | 17:04 |
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| bouthors | cathy_: can we discuss how to make the classifier parameters more general, as per the email I sent to the list ? | 17:04 |
| s3wong | cathy_: we are still in patch set 8 | 17:04 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: so there hasn't been update based on the various comments from armax | 17:04 |
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| cathy_ | s3wong: I am going to upload a new one soon | 17:05 |
| s3wong | cathy_: OK | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | I have posted replies but will post a new version soon | 17:05 |
| armax | s3wong, cathy_: yes I am looking forward to it | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | bouthors: Yes, we can discuss that | 17:05 |
| armax | I’ll review it to make sure we captured all the main points of our latest discussions | 17:05 |
| cathy_ | armax: OK | 17:05 |
| bouthors | cathy_: ok | 17:06 |
| cathy_ | For the Chain parameter object, Louis thinks there should be a link from the service chain object to this separate chainparam object. | 17:06 |
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| cathy_ | OK with everyone? | 17:07 |
| s3wong | cathy_: extension? | 17:07 |
| LouisF | s3wong: what do you mean by extension? | 17:07 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: yes, the parameter will be modeled as an extension of the SFC object and there will be a separate API to create that chainparam object | 17:08 |
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| s3wong | LouisF: the parameter blob would not really be part of the API, but rather an extension | 17:08 |
| cathy_ | This is based on suggestion from Armando to create a separate chainparam object to specify the encap mechanism and failurepolicy | 17:09 |
| LouisF | armando you proposed a separate chain parameter extension - seems a good idea | 17:09 |
| bouthors | cathy_: so in the cli we will have to provide a name or a uuid for the chainparm object | 17:09 |
| LouisF | bouthors: yes | 17:09 |
| cathy_ | For this phase, the encap mechansim in the chainparam will be "none" | 17:09 |
| s3wong | cathy_: +1 | 17:10 |
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| cathy_ | which means we will not support the NSH for now which is suggested by Armando and Paul since OVS has not officially support NSH yet | 17:10 |
| bouthors | cathy_: why do we call it "encap mechanism" instead of "chaining mechanism"? | 17:10 |
| Swami | cathy_: this is to get rid of the dependency in the OVS. | 17:11 |
| cathy_ | bouthors: I am open to the naming. | 17:11 |
| cathy_ | Swami: yes, kindof | 17:12 |
| Swami | cathy_: thanks | 17:12 |
| LouisF | we will add the chainparam it the next version of the doc so please review | 17:12 |
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| LouisF | it -> to | 17:12 |
| s3wong | Swami: this is more to simplify stuff to ensure we have everything we need in OVS such that we can make progress in Liberty | 17:12 |
| cathy_ | for naming, which one we should use? everyone? | 17:12 |
| Swami | s3wong: understood | 17:12 |
| cathy_ | encap or chaining mechanism? | 17:13 |
| pcarver | chaining mechanism sounds more general. I think that could be good. | 17:13 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: do we expect it to do more than specifying encap mechanism? | 17:13 |
| bouthors | cathy_, there could be multiple ways to encapsulate in NSH for example. | 17:14 |
| LouisF | encap-mech seems fine to me | 17:14 |
| amotoki | is it about packet format? or is it more than it? | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: it is about packet format | 17:14 |
| pcarver | we've done some service chaining research based on MAC re-writing that doesn't use any encapsulation | 17:14 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: that means the mechanism is none | 17:14 |
| amotoki | if it is about packet format, "encap" sounds better to me. we will think more than the format by "chaining mechanism" | 17:14 |
| LouisF | dolson have a well defined way using vlan-id to steer | 17:15 |
| cathy_ | it is about packet format and how to correlate a packet with a chain | 17:15 |
| LouisF | how about correlation-mech | 17:16 |
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| LouisF | i'm open to any reasonable as long as its meaning is well undestood | 17:17 |
| cathy_ | The mechanism could be NSH-type1, NSH-type2, VLAN, Virtual EthernetPort, etc. For this phase, it will be none. We can discuss in later phase which one to support | 17:17 |
| bouthors | but then you could has NHS for data center, and NSH for Gi-LAN | 17:18 |
| cathy_ | bouthors: that is counted as one mechanism | 17:18 |
| cathy_ | it does not matter which scenario it is used. | 17:18 |
| cathy_ | SO how about we call it "correlation mechanism"? Any "no" to this naming? | 17:19 |
| LouisF | +1 | 17:19 |
| bouthors | +1 | 17:19 |
| Vikram_ | +1 | 17:19 |
| pcarver | +1 | 17:19 |
| cathy_ | #agreed We will use "correlation mechanism" | 17:20 |
| Mohankumar_ | +1 | 17:20 |
| Swami | +1 | 17:20 |
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| cathy_ | In the chain object, we will have ref to the chainparam object and have a separate API to create the chainparm. Any objection on this? | 17:21 |
| cathy_ | Let's vote:-) | 17:21 |
| LouisF | +1 | 17:21 |
| bouthors | +1 | 17:21 |
| Vikram_ | +1 | 17:21 |
| pcarver | +1 | 17:22 |
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| Brian__ | +1 | 17:22 |
| Mohankumar_ | +1 | 17:22 |
| cathy_ | #agree In the chain object, we will have ref to the chainparam object and have a separate API to create the chainparm | 17:22 |
| Swami | no objection | 17:22 |
| cathy_ | Swami: :-) | 17:22 |
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| cathy_ | now let's discuss format of the ChainParam? | 17:23 |
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| cathy_ | Sorry what I mean is the parameter attribute format of the flow classifier | 17:24 |
| cathy_ | 1. A single parameter attribute (dict of name-value pairs for the classifier fields) as shown here. 2. Individual attributes for the classifier fields. | 17:24 |
| cathy_ | Which option we should go for? everyone? | 17:24 |
| LouisF | bouthors: you have proposed a general way of encoding the classifier parameters including L7 parameters | 17:25 |
| cathy_ | 1. as shown in the spec? or 2? | 17:25 |
| cathy_ | bouthors: what's your input? | 17:25 |
| bouthors | we should push for a mechanism allowing for some extensions. | 17:25 |
| cathy_ | bouthors: agree | 17:25 |
| bouthors | my proposal is a have a dictionnary of fields | 17:26 |
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| LouisF | bouthors: do you have link to your doc? | 17:26 |
| cathy_ | bouthors: OK, how about others' opinion? | 17:26 |
| bouthors | and then the chainparm can contain a list of pairs fieldname, fieldvalue | 17:26 |
| LouisF | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NkDwbAkPEfe-JuO37P5ZJ3wMH3LFpKCZBoB82hsb-t8/edit | 17:26 |
| bouthors | I gave an example in the mailing list. | 17:26 |
| bouthors | LouisF, thx | 17:27 |
| LouisF | what we have today is dict of name-value pairs | 17:27 |
| LouisF | armax: you mentioned that dict result in a lot of complexity in the coding and db | 17:28 |
| armax | LouisF: ues | 17:28 |
| s3wong | LouisF: wow... that is complicated... | 17:28 |
| LouisF | s3wong: is there a better way to handle extensibility? | 17:29 |
| bouthors | For example, ODL wants a way to do chaining between GBP groups of different tenants. We will not be able to define such a chain. | 17:29 |
| armax | LouisF: let’s take this offlne, I don’t think we’ll be able to wrap this up here | 17:29 |
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| s3wong | so how many APIs we have to go through before we can specify something like "all traffic with destination port 80" | 17:29 |
| s3wong | LouisF: I do think we need to strike a balance between extensibility and usability --- particularly during phase one | 17:30 |
| LouisF | s3wong: we need to have an api that is reasonably straight-foward and yet allows for extensibility | 17:30 |
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| bouthors | The idea is that the dictionary are preconfigured. so in practise we don't change the number of APIs | 17:30 |
| bouthors | The idea is that the dictionary are preconfigured. so in practise we don't change the number of APIs used | 17:31 |
| cathy_ | armax: I think we need to reach consensus so that we can update the spec based on consensus. Louis has listed two options. ANy other option? Let's discuss the cons and pros of each one and pick one. | 17:31 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: what is your suggestion? 1 or 2 or another way? | 17:32 |
| LouisF | having individual attributes for the more common classifiers fields eg protocol, src/dest port, ip-prefixies make sense | 17:32 |
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| s3wong | cathy_: even with dictionary of fields, the fields need to be specified, right? | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | Individual attributes means we do not group the flow descriptors. | 17:33 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: yes | 17:34 |
| LouisF | then additional fields can be handled by a more extensible format | 17:34 |
| LouisF | s3wong: yes | 17:34 |
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| armax | cathy_: let me go over LouisF’s comments on the spec | 17:34 |
| cathy_ | dictionary means we group the flow descriptors into a "parameter" field. | 17:35 |
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| LouisF | armax: my comment: The parameter attribute was introduced to allow for extensibility. Two options here: 1. A single parameter attribute (dict of name-value pairs for the classifier fields) as shown here. 2. Individual attributes for the classifier fields. Defer to experts on REST API design for best approach for extensibility, readability, and simplest design. | 17:36 |
| cathy_ | armax: OK. let us know your pick when you are done. | 17:36 |
| bouthors | I woud rather choose option 2 | 17:36 |
| Vikram_ | I vote for 2. | 17:37 |
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| LouisF | +1 for 2 | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | s3wong: ? | 17:37 |
| armax | cathy_: at first glance it looks like 2 would be the way to go | 17:37 |
| cathy_ | AFAIK, Armando likes 2 too | 17:38 |
| cathy_ | armax: cool. So looks most people likes 2 | 17:38 |
| armax | cathy_: well I dislkike the dict approach | 17:38 |
| s3wong | cathy_: sure, option 2 would be better than parsing a dictionary either at API level or driver | 17:38 |
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| cathy_ | #agree the flow descriptors in Flow Classifier will go for Individual attributes for the classifier fields. | 17:39 |
| Swami | :q! | 17:39 |
| cathy_ | Cool! | 17:39 |
| * s3wong thinks Swami is using vi commands on his IRC client | 17:40 | |
| cathy_ | Any more questions on the spec that anyone would like to discuss? | 17:40 |
| LouisF | will update next version with option 2 | 17:40 |
| Swami | s3wong: sorry wrong context | 17:40 |
| s3wong | Swami: :-) | 17:40 |
| LouisF | Swami: understood | 17:40 |
| -amotoki- Swami seems to quit from IRC forcely :-) | 17:40 | |
| cathy_ | pcarver: do you have more comments? we can discuss here. otherwise we will update based on all the comments and consensus. We need to get the spec merged as soon as possible which is the team's desire. | 17:41 |
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| LouisF | will update with the CLI commands | 17:42 |
| LouisF | per your suggestion armando | 17:42 |
| cathy_ | Do we need to post REST API (JSON) examples in the spec? | 17:43 |
| Vikram_ | +q | 17:43 |
| Vikram_ | +1 | 17:43 |
| Vikram_ | It will be good.. | 17:44 |
| LouisF | i think the tables are sufficient | 17:44 |
| pcarver | cathy_: no I don't have a strong opinion on this point | 17:44 |
| Mohankumar_ | Vikram agree | 17:44 |
| amotoki | JSON example would help us understand. I think we can skip CLI example. | 17:44 |
| cathy_ | pcarver: OK, thanks. | 17:44 |
| Vikram_ | cathy_:atleast resource name becomes clear and CLI will not have last time surprises | 17:44 |
| Swami | you can just add a wiki to show how the rest api works or looks. | 17:45 |
| cathy_ | So we will post a few JSON examples for illustrative purpose. | 17:45 |
| Vikram_ | +1 | 17:45 |
| cathy_ | #agree the next version will post a few JSON examples for illustrative purpose | 17:46 |
| bouthors | Why do we need to have exclusivity between neutron_port and using other individual ones in ChainingParms? | 17:46 |
| LouisF | bouthors: is a neutron port is specified that woul include MAC address, IP address, etc | 17:48 |
| cathy_ | Each chain can have multiple classifiers. If the user wants multiple flows to go through a chain, he cna specify multiple classifiers with one using neutron port and others using IP address etc. params. | 17:48 |
| cathy_ | It is more clean to not mix them in one classifier. | 17:49 |
| bouthors | But we cannot say "trafic from this port, aimed at this dest" | 17:49 |
| cathy_ | Neutron port itself already includes IP address etc. | 17:49 |
| cathy_ | I think I added a reply int the spec that we will add source neutorn port and destination neutron port. | 17:50 |
| LouisF | bouthors: yes, good point | 17:51 |
| cathy_ | bouthors: could you be more specific about your point? | 17:51 |
| cathy_ | we have 8 minutes left | 17:52 |
| LouisF | so you mean from, say, neutron-port=X, tcp-port=80 | 17:52 |
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| bouthors | we can take it on the mailing list, I was thinkg neutron-port-src=W, des=x.y.x.z.t/24 | 17:53 |
| cathy_ | your case is covered already | 17:53 |
| cathy_ | sorry not covered | 17:53 |
| bouthors | ok | 17:54 |
| cathy_ | Ok, I think we probably should lift the restriction to allow more flexible specificaiton of the flow descriptors | 17:54 |
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| LouisF | bouthors: agree we need to support that, but what if it both src-neutorn-port=X (which has an IP address) and src-ip=10.1.1.1 are specified? | 17:55 |
| cathy_ | I think we should remove the restriction. Any different opinions on this? | 17:55 |
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| LouisF | need to set precedence rules for the validation | 17:55 |
| s3wong | cathy_: what is the restriction? | 17:56 |
| Vikram_ | LouisF: what do you mean precedence? | 17:56 |
| LouisF | s3wong: see line 221 | 17:56 |
| bouthors | The parameters given must not contract themselves. For ex port-max < port -min , but also Louis example | 17:57 |
| Vikram_ | you mean follow some order for classification? | 17:57 |
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| LouisF | Vikram_: no, see my comment above: at if it both src-neutorn-port=X (which has an IP address) and src-ip=10.1.1.1 are specified? | 17:57 |
| cathy_ | Vikram_: Louis means the code internally needs to do some validation as bouthors mentioned. | 17:58 |
| Vikram_ | cathy_, LouisF: understood | 17:58 |
| LouisF | will update spec on this | 17:58 |
| cathy_ | #agreed remove the restriction about Neutron port and other flow descriptors. | 17:59 |
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| s3wong | one minute | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | #agreed remove the restriction about combination of Neutron port and other flow descriptors. | 17:59 |
| Vikram_ | left :-) | 17:59 |
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| amotoki | do we have any meeting agenda wiki page? | 17:59 |
| cathy_ | great discussion.time is up. thanks everyone. bye now | 17:59 |
| bouthors | bye | 17:59 |
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| amotoki | i would like to see pointers before meeitngs. | 17:59 |
| Vikram_ | bye | 18:00 |
| s3wong | bye | 18:00 |
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| Swami | bye | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | amotoki: we will set it up | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | But we have meeting logs | 18:00 |
| pcarver | bye | 18:00 |
| cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| Mohankumar_ | bye | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 18:00:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-07-09-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-07-09-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-07-09-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| Brian__ | bye | 18:00 |
| s3wong | cathy_, amotoki: yeah, we need a wiki page to specify meeting agenda prior to meeting | 18:00 |
| amotoki | cathy_: ok. thanks. | 18:00 |
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| s3wong | and allowing people to add agenda items | 18:00 |
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| fitoduarte | hello all | 18:00 |
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