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| nikhil_k | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos | 14:00 |
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| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 14:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks nikhil_k :D | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 14:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: :) | 14:00 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 14:00 |
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| ajayaa | o/ | 14:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 14:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:00 |
| TravT | o/ | 14:00 |
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| nikhil_k | Let's give folks a couple more mins | 14:01 |
| bpoulos | o/ | 14:02 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | Welcome everyone! | 14:02 |
| kragniz | o/ | 14:02 |
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| nikhil_k | Looks like we've a decent turnout. Let's get started. | 14:03 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Mid-cycle meetup | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid-cycle meetup (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:03 | |
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| nikhil_k | A informal conversation on irc led us to pursue the co-location with other teams. | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | We are currently looking to co-host the event with Horizon and SearchLight teams however, are open to options if more are willing to join | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | I'd really beg to make it earlier in July and somewhere in the east coast | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | Nova one is a bit later | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | not that I hate the west one but going there just for 2 days is.... painful | 14:04 |
| flaper87 | :D | 14:04 |
| * flaper87 stops crying | 14:04 | |
| nikhil_k | Thanks for the feedback flaper87 . | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | We shall welcome some more on the collab link: | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | #action everyone: Please review and suggest a location, date for mid-cycle meetup https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w0eI6SPCA2IrOyHiEYC2uDO3fbYGzahZRUQSva0UD3Y/edit#gid=0 | 14:05 |
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| * ativelkov is smiling, thinking about painfull travels for 2 days | 14:05 | |
| TravT | scroll down to the bottom. | 14:05 |
| * mfedosin agrees with Flavio | 14:05 | |
| flaper87 | ativelkov: lol | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks to those who already gave feedback there. If anyone has more apprehensions feel free to send me email. | 14:06 |
| nikhil_k | Any more comments? | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | looking forward to it | 14:07 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:07 |
| nikhil_k | #topic APIWG process update | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "APIWG process update (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:07 | |
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| nikhil_k | Trying to get this out there for some cross project process awareness | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186836/ | 14:08 |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: sorry, i edited your row by mistake | 14:08 |
| mfedosin | rosmaita, np | 14:08 |
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| nikhil_k | elmiko reached out the other day and would be a decent point of contact. I think we also have our very own sigmavirus24 for any intial comments and concerns.. :-) | 14:09 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Domain model and related refactor | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Domain model and related refactor (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:09 | |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: all yours | 14:09 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:09 |
| nikhil_k | one thing before.. | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | so, I did some research, as promissed | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-domain-model | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: ++ | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | Most of my findings were around status updates | 14:10 |
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| flaper87 | I know ativelkov had some other places | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | and in the etherpad I didn't put task status updates | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | anyway | 14:10 |
| flaper87 | that said, I think, in the lihgt of the upcoming artifacts work, that we should fix this cases with atomic updates in the domain model | 14:11 |
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| flaper87 | and let the artifact code remove the domain model entirely | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | Assuming that's something we want | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | This will allow us to fix these races and still work on a major refactor if we want | 14:11 |
| mfedosin | Next week I'm going to start working on new architecture for v3 | 14:11 |
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| flaper87 | The fix shouldn't be invassive, it should be enough to fix the status setter | 14:12 |
| mfedosin | without dm | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132898/ | 14:12 |
| ativelkov | yup, I agree with that, given that it does not delay us: I'd prefer to land the remaining part of artifacts as it is now (it uses domain concept) and get rid of it with further commits | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | same for tasks | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | and with those small fixes, we should be able to cover those races | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | I wrote some drawbacks in the etherpad | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | if you think I missed something please, do tell | 14:12 |
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| nikhil_k | What is the proposal though for the pattern without the DM? | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | ativelkov: and I had a small chat yday about some strategies | 14:12 |
| nikhil_k | I agree that it makes a ton of sense for tasks to remove it | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: I don't have a proposal for that, I'll defer it to ativelkov | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | I'm more concerned about the races now than the DM | 14:13 |
| nikhil_k | Please do share ativelkov | 14:13 |
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| flaper87 | That's a side convo that came out of these findings | 14:13 |
| ativelkov | I want to make sure that the same transaction is used for the whole duration of each request | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | I don't mind if we start collaborating about removing such logic on the etherpad. We had concerns for v2 refactor given our priority is stability. So, +1 on fixing races and not refactoring there yet. | 14:14 |
| ativelkov | with optional "for update" locks and a decorator to repeat the transaction in case of dead-lock exception in DB | 14:14 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: you mean a DB session? | 14:15 |
| ativelkov | Yup | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | Basically what't the scope for transaction would be good to know. Does that make sense for long running tasks? | 14:15 |
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| nikhil_k | Those may be Glance Tasks or uploads/downloads too | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | not so much on downloads, uploads may be affected with open sessions | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | (yet) | 14:16 |
| ativelkov | Then the DB updates should be transactional anyway | 14:16 |
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| ativelkov | Now we have a situation when a DB record is read with one transaction, serialized to a "domain object", then somehow transformed and then the object is put back to the DB | 14:17 |
| ativelkov | This is racy | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | Yeah | 14:18 |
| mfedosin | we have a solution on that matter btw | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | Does this conflict with the oslo.versionedobjects proposal? | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | We need the records serialized in that case | 14:18 |
| ativelkov | Not sure yet | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | (I am just putting some food for thought out there as this is a big change) | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | I don't think it conflicts but I'd need to double check | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | wasn't the previous artifact version out of the DM ? | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | then you guys made it work with DM | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | It is | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | ah ok | 14:19 |
| nikhil_k | Oh wait, no. It's all in coherence with DM.. | 14:20 |
| mfedosin | no, it originally was with dm | 14:20 |
| ivasilevskaya1 | flaper87, DM model was always there | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132898/ | 14:20 |
| flaper87 | thanks | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | Should we move on and let ativelkov, mfedosin &/or flaper87 propose us a plan / etherpad ? | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: for a non-DM glance? yes | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | I don't expect us to figure that out now | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Discuss adopting Core Reviewer Hierarchy akin to Neutron's | 14:21 |
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| flaper87 | but I'd like to have an agreement on fixing the races now | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: ^ | 14:21 |
| flaper87 | (on the DM) | 14:21 |
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| nikhil_k | Thanks. ethadpad discussion good with you? | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: ^ | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: kk | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | Let me revert the topic then | 14:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | lol | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: you know there's an undo command ? | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: there is? | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | there is | 14:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | huh | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | anyway, feel free to move on | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: sure :) more of silent question | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | #topic racy status updates in v2 | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "racy status updates in v2 (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:24 | |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: earlier was on DM | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/domain/__init__.py#L250 | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | The thing I'd like us to agree on now is on fixing those races in the actual code | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/glance/api/v2/images.py#L254-L306 | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | more on #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-domain-model | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | instead of waiting 'til the discussion of whether to use DM or not ends | 14:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: I doubt anyone disagrees that we need to fix that up | 14:25 |
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| nikhil_k | == sigmavirus24 | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: logged or it isn't true | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | ok, that's it | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | ha | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | lol | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | that's all I wanted :) | 14:25 |
| * flaper87 stfu now | 14:25 | |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: you know that #openstack-glance is logged now rigth? | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 14:25 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Also you can make a spec and have it logged via votes =P | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | ++ for working around it for now and taking the time to plan future properly | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: yup but this makes it feel "official" | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: stfu | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | test and set (yes please for status updates) | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | :P | 14:26 |
| sigmavirus24 | ++ for having jokke_ around | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: bug>spec | 14:26 |
| * flaper87 hides from everyone's kciks | 14:26 | |
| flaper87 | or kicks | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | ok, enough jokes | 14:26 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: lets move on | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks | 14:27 |
| flaper87 | thanks for the feedback | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Discuss adopting Core Reviewer Hierarchy akin to Neutron's | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss adopting Core Reviewer Hierarchy akin to Neutron's (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:27 | |
| nikhil_k | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/doc/source/policies/core-reviewers.rst#n33 | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: all yours | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | So | 14:27 |
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| sigmavirus24 | There's been a discussion of this on the mailing list and there was a summit discussion of it | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | At this point there are probably 3 sub-teams in glance: metadefs, images, artifacts | 14:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think in order of attention they get it's: images, artifacts, metadefs | 14:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | And it's very unfair to both artifacts and metadefs | 14:28 |
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| nikhil_k | May be this overlaps with Fast track stuff (next topic) ? | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | It makes sense to me if we adopt the hierarchy/sub-team model since glance has grown to have these specialty teams | 14:29 |
| * sigmavirus24 missed the fast track stuff | 14:29 | |
| sigmavirus24 | This is a bit more broad though, especially since there are a bunch of metadefs reviews lying around that no one has reviewed | 14:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also, we agreed at the summit to keep Metadefs around so we need to give it proper attention | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: Actually, I got one email about image members too | 14:30 |
| mclaren | I'll put my hand up for some metadef reviews | 14:30 |
| * nikhil_k wonders if anyone is using image sharing in real world besides Rackspace? | 14:30 | |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah, I can imagine there are several specialty parts of the codebase. Sub-teams just makes sense and would allow us to maybe scale | 14:31 |
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| sigmavirus24 | We could even adopt something like the Security Doc team that has to have one +2 from doc team core and one +2 from sec core | 14:31 |
| mclaren | nikhil_k: yes | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | ok | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | Again, most of this is up on the Mailing List but that's all discussion around Rally at the moment | 14:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | Neutron and the Security docs projects seem to be doing well with the sub-team model and I think we'd benefit from it and I'd love to hear other opinions telling me I'm wrong =P | 14:32 |
| jokke_ | I'm just not convinced that we're big enough project to justify this, but it might be just me | 14:33 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: I think it's worth trying | 14:33 |
| ativelkov | Well, neutron is really big and diverse | 14:33 |
| kragniz | particularly with metadefs | 14:33 |
| ativelkov | De-facto we already have "sub-teams" | 14:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | ^ ++ | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | I think neutron has pretty much their own repos for the subteams which makes the real life separation easier | 14:34 |
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| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: to a degree but they also have that flow in neutron itself if I understand correctly | 14:34 |
| kragniz | jokke_: thye have sub teams in the core neutron as well | 14:34 |
| ivasilevskaya1 | hm.. sorry, I don't get it - who is supposed to review sub-teams? | 14:34 |
| ativelkov | However I'm not sure if we need any formal rules on this | 14:34 |
| mfedosin | what's the benefit to have it de-jure then? | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | I am with sigmavirus24 on this one. I think this makes a ton of sense at least for metadefs to begin with. For artifacts, we have fast track proposal coming out and the entire team should get to know it given we will go with all artifacts v3 API. However, I agree that we are too small and don't have enough reviewers to begin with. | 14:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | well at the moment, none of the metadef subteam members are core | 14:35 |
| mclaren | It's worth remembering that a metadef change can still impact (break) image functionality, they're not completely orthogonal. | 14:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | mclaren: agreed | 14:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | Which is why I pointed out teh security doc team workflow | 14:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | at least one +2 from metadefs subteam and at least one from other glance core before workflowing it | 14:35 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: =+ | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | I doubt if a email mechanism works for everyone esp for reviews | 14:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | We can try whatever, but we need to try something =P | 14:36 |
| nikhil_k | +1 | 14:36 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: I think the fact that we have no core from metadefs group is the issue we need to solve instead of trying to make things more complicated | 14:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | And we all need to commit to it | 14:36 |
| mclaren | I think currently there's just a small # of metadef reviews which we should be able to get through | 14:36 |
| mclaren | [until metadefs need to be ported to v3 :-)] | 14:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | mclaren: are you just looking at /glance or also python-glanceclient | 14:37 |
| kragniz | mclaren: D: | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | also, note that in the future images+artifacts will be one thing | 14:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: right, in the future ;) | 14:37 |
| TravT | i believe wayne is out of office this week, but i would like to mention that multiple times he mentioned that he was stuck in getting reviews this last release. | 14:37 |
| TravT | on metadefs | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: right but lets not forget about that | 14:37 |
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| mclaren | TravT: yeah, he spoke to me at the summit, I said I'll try to help | 14:38 |
| TravT | and wayne and lakshmiS know metadefs code better than anybody else, i believe. | 14:38 |
| mclaren | that's true for sure | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | In that case, we need some committee that will drive & draft/document the proposal. I would prefer more than two company and at least one repr from each of the sub teams to be proposed if we are even considering this. | 14:38 |
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| jokke_ | TravT & all: if stuck with reviews ... yell out for help ... it might not happen on the same day, but keeping same reviews week after week in the meeting agenda seems to give them some traction ;) | 14:39 |
| mclaren | TravT: we don't expect too many more metadef patches once the current ones are merged? | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | Yeah, holler for help should be great. However, I think the diverse focus is making this difficult. | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | mclaren: I think we may need more as SL becomes more mature | 14:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: I know that wayne hollered at me for help a bunch of times last cycle and I did my best | 14:40 |
| TravT | mclaren, i have been talking to wayne about some concerns I have about current API | 14:40 |
| TravT | it requires too many calls and can be optimized | 14:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | But yeah, we just need some way to make sure wayne, lakshmi, and everyone else's valuable contributions don't get lost | 14:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | I don't know if that way of prioritizing them is an etherpad or trello or something else that we'll all stop using after a couple weeks | 14:41 |
| TravT | i was talking to wayne about how we can change a few things so that we can go from 13 calls from horizon to 3 to get them. | 14:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | ^ mclaren, i.e., it's not just these few reviews and then we're done | 14:41 |
| TravT | which actually was part of our original API, but at the juno mid-cycle was voted out. | 14:42 |
| TravT | because of time | 14:42 |
| lakshmiS | also when the cruch time comes, metadef changes takes a lower priority even with all the good intentions from the reviewers | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | I don't think having the metadef stuff on flight brought up in the meeting (and opened up a bit why something needs to happen) would hurt | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | Personally I'm true believer the more we understand what's going on, the easier it is to review and keep moving | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | One thing though.. we need people reviewing stuff and maintain the core-reviewership based off reviews. If that's to be changed then we need to consider input from CPL/TC meeting. | 14:43 |
| mclaren | can metadefs become standard artifacts in v3? Around the 'u' timeframe :-) | 14:43 |
| TravT | there is also a localization spec wayne (primarily) and I have been talking about. | 14:43 |
| nikhil_k | ha | 14:44 |
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| nikhil_k | U -- would be still call artifacts artifacts then or have a fancy new name? | 14:44 |
| TravT | mclaren, i have concerns about that as well but should be discussed | 14:44 |
| ativelkov | mclaren: I don't think so | 14:44 |
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| ativelkov | Metadefs are dynamic schemas of things | 14:44 |
| mfedosin | mclaren, they will be part of v3 along with artifacts and tasks | 14:45 |
| ativelkov | artifacts are things themselves. | 14:45 |
| TravT | my thoughts are a little too much for this meeting, so i can send out a ML on it if desired. | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | umm? | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | Ok, we are short of time. | 14:45 |
| mclaren | ativelkov: they're not immutable you mean? | 14:45 |
| ativelkov | mclaren: yes, that's one of the differences | 14:46 |
| TravT | i think this is a good discussion to have... i'll start an ML on it later today. | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | Let's put some thought and share them on ML. We seem to be having some such discussions there atm.. | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | I think metadefs are conceptually different from artifacts/images. | 14:46 |
| mclaren | ativelkov: hmm, ok. (I wonder if we could fake something with versioning...) | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: you mind creating a thread with your comprehensive thoughts on this topic? | 14:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | I dont' mind | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks | 14:47 |
| mfedosin | but you can always make a metadef-plugin for artifacts if you need it :) | 14:47 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: +1 | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Merging remaining artifacts commits with FastTrack | 14:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Merging remaining artifacts commits with FastTrack (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:48 | |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: or mfedosin ? | 14:48 |
| ativelkov | me | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | please :) | 14:48 |
| ativelkov | Well, just wanted to let you know that we have two changesets ready. They are all the same as we had in April, just changed from v0.1 to v3 and put back into main glance-api process | 14:49 |
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| ativelkov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132898/ | 14:49 |
| ativelkov | and | 14:49 |
| ativelkov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136629/ | 14:49 |
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| flaper87 | ativelkov: I'm happy to be the glance-core that sanity checks those patches | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | I think I raised my hand at the summit | 14:49 |
| * flaper87 keeps doing that | 14:50 | |
| ativelkov | I'd prefer to merge them using our newly-approved "fast-track" procedure ) | 14:50 |
| mfedosin | and also there is a spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177397/ | 14:50 |
| ativelkov | thanks flaper87! ) | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | cool! | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | ativelkov: I'll take a look and go for fast-track | 14:50 |
| mfedosin | flaper87, thank you! | 14:50 |
| ativelkov | Thanks! | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | should we tag fast-track reviews in the commit message? | 14:50 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: please do send an email to ML when that is about to merge | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | A FastTrack tag doesn't hurt | 14:50 |
| mfedosin | flaper87, I think yes | 14:50 |
| ativelkov | So, I want to merge them first, and then initiate a discussion with API-WG about improvements into API | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: I think that should help ^ | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: ok | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | I'd like the idea to have operational artifacts sooner than later now when we have been going around the topic for 2 releases ;P | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | tag works then | 14:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: iirc there's a meeting this morning for the WG | 14:51 |
| jokke_ | merged I mean | 14:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | (er, in a couple hours) | 14:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | (morning for me =P) | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: stop bringing the 2 releases thing up | 14:51 |
| mfedosin | I will update those CMs right after this meeting | 14:52 |
| ativelkov | I'd like to summarize my question into the email first and then discuss them | 14:52 |
| ativelkov | I have some questions on my mind, inlucing that one about /v3/artifacts/something vs /v2/something - and some more about type versioning | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | sounds great | 14:52 |
| ativelkov | /v3/something* | 14:52 |
| mclaren | at least you didn't mis-type v4 :-) | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | mfedosin: ativelkov feel free to ping me on irc | 14:53 |
| mfedosin | let's leave /v3/artifacts/something for now | 14:53 |
| nikhil_k | +1 | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | I like that for future too | 14:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: +1 | 14:54 |
| mfedosin | if we have tasks and metadefs along with artifacts then it's the best solution I think | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: mfedosin : please tag cores for reviews if stuck. I think people won't mind giving a quick look.. | 14:54 |
| * sigmavirus24 has those two reviews open to look at | 14:55 | |
| ativelkov | Thanks! | 14:55 |
| ativelkov | That's all from my side | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | thanks | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | moving on.. | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | thanks :) | 14:55 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Making use_user_token param False by default | 14:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Making use_user_token param False by default (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:55 | |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: yours | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | yeah | 14:55 |
| mfedosin | I wrote a message to Openstack dev where I had a couple of questions | 14:56 |
| mfedosin | We have situations during image creation where our token may expire, which leads to unsuccessful operation. | 14:56 |
| mfedosin | and one of them in connection between glance-api and glance-registry | 14:57 |
| mfedosin | In this case we have a solution (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29967/) - use_user_token parameter in glance-api.conf, but it is True by default. | 14:57 |
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| mfedosin | If it's changed to False then glance-api will use its own credentials to authorize in glance-registry and it prevents many possible issues with user token expiration. | 14:57 |
| mfedosin | So, I'm interested if there are some performance degradations if we change use_user_token to False and what are the reasons against making it the default value. | 14:58 |
| mclaren | is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_privilege relevant here? | 14:58 |
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| nikhil_k | yep, I think admin calls are a bit messy (in openstack lingo) | 14:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | didn't ayoung suggest trusts as a (messy) way of doing this? | 14:59 |
| mclaren | mfedosin: you're thinking about trusts for the backend - would it make sense ... bah there goes sigmavirus24 | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | also I don't think this affect gate so perhaps making documentation change rather than changing the default behavior | 14:59 |
| ativelkov | sigmavirus24: yeah, that is one of the options | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | fwiw, we've been walking around this issue waiting for the right solution to happen | 14:59 |
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| flaper87 | sigmavirus24: ayoung did mention that | 14:59 |
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| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: is correct | 14:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | This was an open issue for months | 14:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | The old solution was to bump the keystone token expiration time limit | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | no registry, trusted auth are some other deployment (non-software) opetions | 15:00 |
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| jokke_ | I personally like the trusts approach for long term fix | 15:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | & time | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | yep | 15:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | don't want to encroach on searchlight =P | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | If there's nothing urgent, let's continue on the ML.. | 15:00 |
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| mfedosin | okay thank you for suggestions :) | 15:00 |
| ativelkov | Yeah, any input is welcome to that thread | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "(Meeting topic: sc)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 15:01:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-06-04-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-06-04-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-06-04-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
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| TravT | #startmeeting openstack search | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 15:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TravT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search' | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | O/ | 15:01 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 15:01 |
| kragniz | o/ | 15:01 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:01 |
| TravT | long time no see :) | 15:01 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:01 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 15:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 15:02 |
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| TravT | ok, so our agenda is here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| TravT | please add to it as you see fit... | 15:02 |
| TravT | i seem to be having some issues with staying connected to etherpad today | 15:02 |
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| nikhil_k | I do sometimes on chrome/chromium/yandex. Firefox works better | 15:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | TravT: blame infra ;) | 15:03 |
| TravT | sounds like a good plan. ;) | 15:03 |
| TravT | #topic governance repo submission | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "governance repo submission (Meeting topic: openstack search)" | 15:03 | |
| TravT | as we discussed last week and as you saw, i put up the patch | 15:04 |
| TravT | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188014/ | 15:04 |
| TravT | also sent out a short ML announcement. | 15:04 |
| mclaren | o/ | 15:04 |
| TravT | so far it has been all positive! | 15:04 |
| TravT | i think need to add a few other TC members as reviewers to try to get their votes. | 15:05 |
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| mclaren | any idea is there a particular number of TC votes required? | 15:05 |
| mclaren | (just curious) | 15:05 |
| david-lyle | TravT: what day did you post? | 15:05 |
| TravT | based on history, it looks like Thierry waits for most the members to weigh in and then he'll do a final approval. | 15:05 |
| mclaren | k | 15:05 |
| TravT | just yesterday morning. | 15:05 |
| TravT | so, hasn't been there long. | 15:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | mclaren: we must be mentally linked, I was thinking the same | 15:06 |
| david-lyle | 8 days before TC meeting to vote | 15:06 |
| david-lyle | wait that may be the old rules | 15:06 |
| TravT | ttx maybe can answer that if he's around? | 15:06 |
| nikhil_k | #link http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/55196 | 15:06 |
| TravT | i see him in the room list | 15:06 |
| ttx | TravT: In that case it needs to be discussed in a TC meeting | 15:07 |
| ttx | then we collect TC members votes and I approve when more than half members agree | 15:07 |
| ttx | that would be 7 | 15:07 |
| TravT | ok. so, is there a meeting every week or every other week? | 15:08 |
| ttx | then we have more rules for corner cases -- see http://governance.openstack.org/reference/charter.html | 15:08 |
| ttx | every week | 15:08 |
| ttx | It's likely that we would try to cover it next week | 15:08 |
| TravT | would you mind adding to the agenda or do I need to do that? | 15:08 |
| ttx | I'll pick it up tomorrow morning as I build the final agenda | 15:08 |
| TravT | great, thanks! | 15:08 |
| TravT | do you have a link for the meeting, so everybody here knows when it is? | 15:09 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 15:09 |
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| TravT | thanks nikhil_k: | 15:10 |
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| TravT | ok, so we'll try to get a few more votes and attend that meeting. | 15:11 |
| TravT | anything else on this, or can we move on? | 15:11 |
| TravT | #topic Glance code breakout update (Steve, lakshmi) | 15:12 |
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| TravT | sjmc7 sent me a message a bit ago that he's in transit | 15:12 |
| TravT | he said he's got the metadef plugin pull request up, but needs a tiny bit of tweaking. | 15:12 |
| TravT | dhellmann also said he'd help us out with repo. | 15:13 |
| nikhil_k | \o/ | 15:13 |
| kragniz | TravT: with what part of the repo? | 15:13 |
| kragniz | importing it? | 15:13 |
| nikhil_k | packaging in general I think | 15:13 |
| TravT | i think so, need to follow up with him (unless he's on here)? | 15:13 |
| lakshmiS | i dont know if dhellmann knows that we already extracted the code from glance | 15:13 |
| TravT | yeah, wanted to cover that with him. | 15:14 |
| nikhil_k | we need to be mindful about the requirements, release style and sync on global etc | 15:14 |
| TravT | but we will need help going from our glance extract to an openstack governed repo. | 15:14 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, anything there to share? | 15:14 |
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| nikhil_k | It would be nice to get some glance cores (may 2) to review the removal so that we do not leave a trail behind | 15:15 |
| nikhil_k | I can be one of those | 15:15 |
| lakshmiS | +1 | 15:15 |
| * TravT looking at nikhil_k, sigmavirus24, mclaren, kragniz | 15:15 | |
| mclaren | me too | 15:15 |
| TravT | great! | 15:15 |
| kragniz | when do we plan on doing the removal? | 15:15 |
| kragniz | before l1, or sooner? | 15:16 |
| wko | Do I need to remove glance-search from devstack? | 15:16 |
| nikhil_k | next week of so should be great | 15:16 |
| nikhil_k | depending on when the review is approved | 15:16 |
| TravT | nikhil_k, should wait until this new project is actually accepted? | 15:16 |
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| nikhil_k | :) | 15:16 |
| lakshmiS | yes :) | 15:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm in | 15:16 |
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| TravT | if for some odd reason the project gets rejected, i'd rather not get stranded. :) | 15:17 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: yes, sorry I meant the project acceptance by review | 15:17 |
| TravT | :) | 15:17 |
| TravT | wko: re: devstack, probably same thing. | 15:17 |
| nikhil_k | basically, we should try to switch the repos is what I was getting at | 15:18 |
| nikhil_k | vs. keeping it in two places near L1 | 15:18 |
| wko | TravT: ok will wait | 15:18 |
| TravT | but that said, did you get a chance to talk with sdague at the summit? | 15:18 |
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| TravT | he is working on (maybe landed now) a new way for projects to deliver their code via plugins to devstack | 15:19 |
| kragniz | TravT: devstack plugins | 15:19 |
| kragniz | they're pretty cool | 15:19 |
| TravT | basically, it is a new task in the devstack scripts that allows you to do something like enable foo foo-url | 15:19 |
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| kragniz | and let us keep most of the devstack code in our tree | 15:19 |
| wko | TravT: no didn't talk to him. Will ping him on how to deliver searchlight when available... | 15:19 |
| TravT | it will then reach out to foo-url and executes a script that has known lifecycle points | 15:19 |
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| wko | ok...that sounds pretty cool. | 15:20 |
| TravT | so, project can much more easily install into devstack by keeping in their tree (like kragniz said) | 15:20 |
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| kragniz | TravT: it's the maintaining that gets easier | 15:20 |
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| wko | was there a session on it at vancouver? | 15:21 |
| kragniz | so we don't need to wait for devstack people to approve our changes | 15:21 |
| TravT | no, i just talked with him for awhile after the session on the Bit Tent model. | 15:21 |
| TravT | s/Bit/Big | 15:21 |
| wko | TravT: ok | 15:21 |
| * sigmavirus24 likes bit tent better | 15:22 | |
| TravT | lol | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | == singleth_ | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 15:22 |
| kragniz | TravT: have a look at how zaqar does it | 15:22 |
| kragniz | https://github.com/openstack/zaqar/tree/master/devstack | 15:22 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: I was thinking the same. We shall have a bit tent and then a byte tent :P | 15:22 |
| TravT | and the release is called the megabyte | 15:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | bit tent will be each repo and byte tent will be openstack/ | 15:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | ;) | 15:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | TravT: skipping one sir | 15:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | kilobyte ;) | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | lol | 15:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | okay | 15:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | we're getting wayyyy off topic | 15:23 |
| kragniz | then libertybyte? | 15:23 |
| * sigmavirus24 apologizes | 15:23 | |
| TravT | lol | 15:23 |
| nikhil_k | I was thiking byte tent == program. bit tent == repo/sub team | 15:23 |
| wko | kragniz: Thx! | 15:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: ah | 15:23 |
| TravT | #action mclaren review extract | 15:23 |
| TravT | #action nikhil_k review extract | 15:23 |
| TravT | so next up: | 15:24 |
| mclaren | TravT: send on the link in case I miss it | 15:24 |
| TravT | #topic Brainstorming session | 15:24 |
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| nikhil_k | lakshmiS: please ping me near your extraction plan (that sounds a bit fishy/james bond like) | 15:24 |
| TravT | Basically, i'd like to have a session where we can all do some brainstorming on where we go with this project. | 15:25 |
| lakshmiS | :) sure | 15:25 |
| nikhil_k | +1 TravT | 15:25 |
| david-lyle | +1 | 15:25 |
| TravT | i've started on etherpad (will share in a second). | 15:25 |
| * nikhil_k looks for like button. forgets irc and fb are different | 15:25 | |
| TravT | The idea is to talk about what we need to do. | 15:26 |
| TravT | what we should do | 15:26 |
| TravT | what we want to do | 15:26 |
| TravT | and what we DON'T want to do. | 15:26 |
| TravT | And the bubble that up into some plans for what we WILL do in the liberty time frame | 15:26 |
| TravT | On the initial etherpad, people can just freeform add to those topics | 15:27 |
| TravT | but then I think we need to have some discussion in a rich environment. | 15:27 |
| nikhil_k | ++ | 15:27 |
| TravT | so was hoping we could do a video conference (or two) next week. | 15:27 |
| lakshmiS | also discuss on the scope of what areas searchlight can be used in openstack | 15:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think what we want to do is focus on the defcore projects for liberty and ignore the others unless someone else adds it | 15:27 |
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| nikhil_k | lakshmiS: exactly what I was thinking too. | 15:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | by focusing on defcore and indexing defcore projects (or the ones that make sense) I think we'll have a bit more legitimacy on top of what we already have for being so freaking awesome | 15:28 |
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| TravT | sigmavirus24: that's generally my thoughts too | 15:28 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: good point. Do we know the new DefCore plan yet or they are going with same old same old? | 15:29 |
| TravT | i'm not sharing the link just yet | 15:29 |
| TravT | so please have some open discussion here | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | I have heard that HEAT might benefit from this a bit besides other discussions people have had | 15:30 |
| nikhil_k | It seems a good fit for autoscale that needs to be extra aware of resource contraints/updates | 15:30 |
| TravT | interesting. | 15:30 |
| mclaren | obviously getting it done for nova would win mindshare amount the community | 15:30 |
| lakshmiS | app catalog can use some searching from searchlight | 15:30 |
| mclaren | *amoung | 15:30 |
| TravT | ok, i'll go ahead and drop the etherpad link. | 15:31 |
| rosmaita | +1 for defcore projects first, beginning with nova | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | lakshmiS: app catalog == https://github.com/stackforge/apps-catalog ? | 15:31 |
| TravT | #https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-searchlight-brainstorming | 15:31 |
| TravT | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-searchlight-brainstorming | 15:31 |
| sjmc7 | hi all | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | hi! | 15:32 |
| lakshmiS | nikhil_k: yes | 15:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | TravT: we can start with the existing defcore projects and expand as necessary | 15:32 |
| sjmc7 | on the subject of other projects, designate bug me regularly about getting a plugin | 15:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | at the very least we'll be one cycle behind to start with | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | defcore includes keystone | 15:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | sjmc7: if they want to write it ;) | 15:32 |
| nikhil_k | sjmc7: lakshmiS and you are going to work on extraction plan ;) is what I heard | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | what's the plan around keystone | 15:32 |
| david-lyle | ? | 15:32 |
| TravT | david-lyle: we don't have one. do you want to own coming up one? | 15:33 |
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| david-lyle | index identity constructs as well? or just use keystone for authZ | 15:33 |
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| lakshmiS | nikhil_k: https://github.com/lakshmisampath/searchlight has the extracted code which is getting fine tuned | 15:33 |
| TravT | i was wondering about how keystone would work for when keystone is hooked up to ldap... keystone doesn't pass notification everytime an ldap user is added, right? | 15:33 |
| david-lyle | it get messy once you're trying to index keystone, I would put that part on hold for now, but I will think about it more | 15:33 |
| nikhil_k | this coule potentially replace keystone-middleware calls that don't work well | 15:33 |
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| nikhil_k | lakshmiS: thanks | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | Also, they have support for nosql DB now is what we heard | 15:34 |
| david-lyle | TravT: I believe that is correct | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | so may not benefit as much as other projects would | 15:35 |
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| nikhil_k | I would like to focus on Nova myself as I know rackspace heat can use this better | 15:35 |
| nikhil_k | (not air conditioning) | 15:36 |
| mclaren | I'd be interested in swift (if I get permission from the powers that be) | 15:36 |
| TravT | yeah you and rosmaita probably would be good on nova | 15:36 |
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| TravT | so, my suggestion is to start adding things to the etherpad and putting your name by it if you want to be the primary person on it. | 15:37 |
| TravT | but, on the etherpad, i'd like us to also think about other conceps as well. | 15:37 |
| TravT | such as technology decisions and direction. | 15:38 |
| TravT | for example sigmavirus24 was mentioning twisted the other day | 15:38 |
| mclaren | nailing down some pluses and minuses of different approaches sounds like a good idea | 15:38 |
| TravT | +1 mclaren | 15:39 |
| TravT | also, if people are able to go off and look at what it would mean to index different services, we could come back together and compare notes to help drive framework decisions | 15:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | twisted is just really good for async work and has great methods of testing interleaved tasks | 15:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | (just my quick 2 cents) | 15:41 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: do any other openstack services use it currently? | 15:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | no =( | 15:41 |
| TravT | so, we are running low on time... | 15:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | no other openstack services use elasticsearch either though =P | 15:41 |
| * sigmavirus24 shuts up | 15:41 | |
| wko | sigmavirus24: ceilometer? | 15:42 |
| * TravT trying to remember how to setup vote | 15:42 | |
| sigmavirus24 | \#vote question options | 15:42 |
| sigmavirus24 | e.g. #vote Do you think this shed should be red? yes, no | 15:42 |
| TravT | #startvote (are we okay with doing a video conference vs IRC for a brainstorming session) ? yes, no | 15:43 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: (are we okay with doing a video conference vs IRC for a brainstorming session) ? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:43 |
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| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | #vote yes | 15:43 |
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| nikhil_k | I like that however I feel like we can do that first up for M-1. For L if we can get it working along lines of codes and designs other projects like nova, glance use then it would be decently stable. We can get more feedback too at the summit. | 15:43 |
| TravT | #vote yes | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | #vote yes | 15:43 |
| lakshmiS | #vote yes | 15:43 |
| mclaren | #vote yes | 15:44 |
| david-lyle | #vote yes | 15:44 |
| wko | #vote yes | 15:44 |
| TravT | smc7? | 15:44 |
| kragniz | #vote yes | 15:44 |
| TravT | rosmaita? | 15:44 |
| sjmc7 | #vote yes | 15:44 |
| TravT | #endvote | 15:44 |
| openstack | Voted on "(are we okay with doing a video conference vs IRC for a brainstorming session) ?" Results are | 15:44 |
| openstack | yes (9): wko, lakshmiS, mclaren, sjmc7, sigmavirus24, nikhil_k, TravT, david-lyle, kragniz | 15:44 |
| TravT | ok, so then we basically have vidyo (rackspace) or hangouts | 15:45 |
| rosmaita | sorry, saw something shiny ... yes! | 15:45 |
| david-lyle | so many shiny things | 15:45 |
| TravT | i think vidyo works a little bit better, so could one of your rackers set one up? | 15:45 |
| mclaren | hangout is better from behind firewall? | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | sure, I can take that | 15:45 |
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| TravT | oh right, i did have some vidyo problems when in office. | 15:46 |
| kragniz | I'd rather have hangouts, unless we have too many people for that | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | as long as we have <10 people joining | 15:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | ^ | 15:46 |
| TravT | ok, we could start with a hangouts and go to vidyo as backup? | 15:47 |
| kragniz | TravT: that sounds reasonable | 15:47 |
| TravT | So on days... | 15:47 |
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| TravT | would either Tuesday or Wednesday next week at 14:00 UTC for 2 hours work for you? | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k | Sometime after TC meeting? | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k | that is on Tuesdays | 15:48 |
| david-lyle | not Tuesday pleas | 15:48 |
| david-lyle | e | 15:48 |
| nikhil_k | +1 on Wednesdays (in general) | 15:49 |
| rosmaita | wednesday is better, but i may have to disappear for 1/2 hour in the middle | 15:49 |
| TravT | lakshmiS, i know this is late for you. How late are you able to attend? | 15:50 |
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| nikhil_k | I may disaapear for 10-15 mins | 15:50 |
| lakshmiS | 9:00 PM IST | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | that's 15.30UTC | 15:50 |
| TravT | okay #startvote will this time work for everybody to do a video meetup http://everytimezone.com/#2015-6-10,150,cn3 ? yes, no | 15:51 |
| TravT | hmm,, didn't like that | 15:51 |
| nikhil_k | # needs to be first for this command | 15:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | TravT: leave off the "okay" | 15:51 |
| TravT | #startvote (will this time work for everybody to do a video meetup http://everytimezone.com/#2015-6-10,150,cn3) ? yes, no | 15:52 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: (will this time work for everybody to do a video meetup http://everytimezone.com/#2015-6-10,150,cn3) ? Valid vote options are yes, no. | 15:52 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:52 |
| sjmc7 | #vote yes | 15:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | #vote yes | 15:52 |
| david-lyle | #vote yes | 15:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | but I'll probably bail early | 15:52 |
| TravT | sigmavirus24, we could start 30 min earlier | 15:52 |
| nikhil_k | TravT: for 2 hours from then? | 15:52 |
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| TravT | yes | 15:53 |
| kragniz | #vote yes | 15:53 |
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| sigmavirus24 | TravT: the start time doesn't matter =P | 15:53 |
| lakshmiS | TravT: is it just for next week? | 15:53 |
| nikhil_k | ok | 15:53 |
| TravT | just next week | 15:53 |
| nikhil_k | #vote yes | 15:53 |
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| rosmaita | #vote yes | 15:53 |
| nikhil_k | I may leave early too | 15:53 |
| lakshmiS | #vote yes | 15:53 |
| TravT | i'm trying to help get things kicked off | 15:53 |
| wko | #vote yes | 15:53 |
| TravT | #endvote | 15:53 |
| openstack | Voted on "(will this time work for everybody to do a video meetup http://everytimezone.com/#2015-6-10,150,cn3) ?" Results are | 15:53 |
| openstack | yes (8): wko, lakshmiS, sjmc7, sigmavirus24, nikhil_k, david-lyle, kragniz, rosmaita | 15:53 |
| TravT | okay, we'll go with that time | 15:54 |
| TravT | so please add ideas to etherpad and be prepared to discuss them | 15:54 |
| TravT | thank you! | 15:54 |
| lakshmiS | TravT: whats the etherpad link? | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, I think I missed it | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k | too | 15:55 |
| TravT | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-searchlight-brainstorming | 15:55 |
| lakshmiS | thx | 15:55 |
| TravT | #topic mid cycle meetup | 15:55 |
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| TravT | i think everybody has already heard about it in glance or horizon meetings. | 15:55 |
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| TravT | but please add your availability to the voting section on the bottom of this page | 15:56 |
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| TravT | #https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w0eI6SPCA2IrOyHiEYC2uDO3fbYGzahZRUQSva0UD3Y/edit#gid=0 | 15:56 |
| TravT | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w0eI6SPCA2IrOyHiEYC2uDO3fbYGzahZRUQSva0UD3Y/edit#gid=0 | 15:56 |
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| david-lyle | I seem to be the only one not in the know, what is meant by "No preference" | 15:56 |
| TravT | we have crossover between projects, so trying to get them colocated if possible. | 15:56 |
| ekarlso | ello guys :) | 15:56 |
| david-lyle | don't care? | 15:56 |
| TravT | nikhil_k: ^ "no preference" | 15:56 |
| TravT | hi ekarlso | 15:56 |
| rosmaita | david-lyle: i interpreted it as "don't care either way" | 15:56 |
| TravT | i'd kinda lika "not preferred, but will do it" | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | got disconnected sorry | 15:57 |
| lakshmiS | hmm. i thought it meant "didnt care" | 15:57 |
| TravT | nikhil_k: david-lyle wants a definition for no preference | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | david-lyle: no is strong no, no preference is okay but not preffered kinda ono | 15:58 |
| TravT | ok. | 15:58 |
| david-lyle | ok, just wasn't clear, thanks! | 15:58 |
| TravT | i'm going to skip the launchpad topic... we'll come back to that after brainstorming | 15:58 |
| nikhil_k | I will update legend | 15:58 |
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| TravT | kragniz, should we push the searchlightclient to next week / brainstorming? | 15:59 |
| kragniz | let's skip client stuff, too | 15:59 |
| TravT | ok. | 15:59 |
| kragniz | yeah, we're too short on tome | 15:59 |
| kragniz | time | 15:59 |
| TravT | Well thanks, everybody! | 15:59 |
| kragniz | thanks! | 15:59 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks | 16:00 |
| TravT | I think we are just about ready to really start running! | 16:00 |
| ekarlso | hey guys | 16:00 |
| rosmaita | bye! | 16:00 |
| * nikhil_k finds his running shoes :) | 16:00 | |
| TravT | out of time for now. try to jump in on #openstack-searchlight | 16:00 |
| TravT | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| ekarlso | ok.. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 16:00:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-06-04-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-06-04-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-06-04-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| cloudnull | Hello ! | 16:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | howdy | 16:03 |
| dstanek | hi | 16:03 |
| rromans | \o | 16:03 |
| galstrom | o/ | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 16:03:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cloudnull. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Ansible Meeting)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:03 |
| galstrom | o/ | 16:03 |
| cloudnull | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda & rollcall (Meeting topic: OpenStack Ansible Meeting)" | 16:03 | |
| rromans | . | 16:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 16:04 |
| stevelle | o/ | 16:04 |
| prometheanfire | \o | 16:04 |
| dstanek | o/ | 16:04 |
| cloudnull | so lets get started. | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | #Blueprints | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | #topic Blueprints | 16:07 |
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| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/os-ansible-deployment-specs,n,z | 16:08 |
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| cloudnull | this spec needs to be re-reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184726/ | 16:09 |
| cloudnull | Javeria Khan has revised the spec | 16:09 |
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| cloudnull | and will focus on only making the 'In tree' neutron code functional. | 16:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mmkay | 16:11 |
| * Sam-I-Am tap tap is this thing on? | 16:13 | |
| cloudnull | next #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181544/ | 16:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | it would be great to get some more people to chime in on this. | 16:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | maybe we need a config linter? | 16:14 |
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| cloudnull | this is probably something that we should look into | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | Sam-I-Am: you write the spec, I'll write the linter | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | It's already 90% done anyway | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | i think sigmavirus24 did that | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | :) | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | github.com/sigmavirus24/schema-validator | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://github.com/sigmavirus24/schema-validator | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh, well there you go | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | needs osad integration though | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | so now whats this thing about a config scheme? | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | schema | 16:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | and someone to maintain things | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | hughs comment | 16:16 |
| cloudnull | so i think we can expand upon that and make part of our process. | 16:16 |
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| cloudnull | i dont think OSAD needs to carry the repo, those bits can live on PyPi and and OSAD can consume them | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | this works | 16:16 |
| hughsaunders | sigmavirus24++ | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | hughsaunders: there you are | 16:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull: yep, that was my understanding of how it would work too | 16:17 |
| stevelle | even better, we get free lifetime support if we import it from Pypi | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | haha | 16:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | sigmavirus24: are you core on that? | 16:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | hughsaunders: so does this linter address your comment? | 16:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | i can update the spec to include the linter | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | i agree with others that the linter process should be a spec on its own. | 16:20 |
| hughsaunders | Sam-I-Am: if sigmavirus24 has figured out how to do a linter/validator in a DRY & maintainable way | 16:20 |
| hughsaunders | yep | 16:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | we cant have a wet linter? | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | hughsaunders: but wet linters are faster | 16:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | does my spec become dependent on the linter spec? | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | yes | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | hughsaunders: and yeah, schema-validator just needs a schema to validate against | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | imo | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | hughsaunders: in other words, someone needs to maintain a schema so that the validator knows what belongs in the config file and what does | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | it can be simple exclusion/inclusion or it can be more | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | because jsonschema is powerful that way | 16:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | we can shave that yak when Sam-I-Am writes that spec | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | kk | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | next | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | #LINK https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168976/ | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | can we kill this one off. | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | or is it something that people are wantng to still do / see? | 16:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hmmm | 16:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | is there still value for it? | 16:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | having a standard way to tune things is better than a bunch of one-offs? | 16:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | maybe the linter is helpful here too | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | maybe | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | so im abandoning that spec. unless someone gives me a reason not to | 16:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | there is no jesse here | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | silence is acceptance. . . | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | lastly https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181955/ | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181955/ | 16:27 |
| prometheanfire | I wanted to ask about providing a generic os support spec | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | shoot | 16:28 |
| prometheanfire | what methods do you think would work best for adding that (as a parrent spec)? | 16:28 |
| prometheanfire | https://github.com/openstack-infra/bindep/ might help | 16:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep, bindep | 16:28 |
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| cloudnull | just write the spec and update the gentoo specific one to be a dependent . | 16:28 |
| cloudnull | then in LP you'll have to associate the two. | 16:28 |
| prometheanfire | I don't think ansible has a generic package install function, just ones specific to distro (families) | 16:29 |
| prometheanfire | cloudnull: got that part, it's implimentation details I wonder about :D | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | this is correct. | 16:29 |
| prometheanfire | think they have specifically avoided that | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | so there will be conditional includes/vars | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | based on facts | 16:30 |
| prometheanfire | want to avoid that as much as possible is all | 16:30 |
| prometheanfire | generic package spec would help | 16:30 |
| prometheanfire | s/spec/functino | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | i dont think theres a way to generically proxy commands to a ansible module. however that would be an interesting module upstream to write | 16:31 |
| prometheanfire | it's something I'll look into | 16:31 |
| prometheanfire | won't have the spec ready next week (gone), but will for the week after | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | the truth is the package names themself will be different across distros which | 16:31 |
| cloudnull | will intail optional includes. | 16:31 |
| prometheanfire | cloudnull: use bindep for that | 16:32 |
| prometheanfire | to source the package lists | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | bindep produceses a flat requirement file with package lists. | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | so there will be some additional logic that goes into making that work | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | but yes bindep is key to multi distro | 16:32 |
| prometheanfire | thought it provided mapping from generic package name to distro package name | 16:33 |
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| cloudnull | so lets move on. | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | #topic Bugs | 16:33 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 16:33 |
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| cloudnull | do we have any bugs that we need to call out or otherwise need people on ? | 16:34 |
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| cloudnull | we have the following high priority items that we should be looking at crushing https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=High&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | #LINK https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=High&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | if we could just get a few more eyes on those it would be great! | 16:35 |
| cloudnull | #topic Open discussion | 16:36 |
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| cloudnull | anything else we want to talk about ? | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | with so few of us here i think we can wrap up if there's nothing us. | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | *else | 16:36 |
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| cloudnull | it seems that people couldn't be bothered to come to the meeting today and or participate so i think we're done here. | 16:37 |
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| cloudnull | thanks everyone that showed up | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 16:37:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-06-04-16.03.html | 16:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-06-04-16.03.txt | 16:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-06-04-16.03.log.html | 16:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thanks y'all | 16:38 |
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| Cathy_ | #startmeeting | 16:59 |
| openstack | Cathy_: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 16:59 |
| Cathy_ | #startmeeting service chaining | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 4 16:59:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Cathy_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'service_chaining' | 17:00 |
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| Swami | Cathy_:hi | 17:00 |
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| Cathy_ | Swami: hi | 17:00 |
| Cathy_ | hi louis | 17:00 |
| LouisF | Swami: hi | 17:00 |
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| Swami | LouisF: hi | 17:00 |
| Cathy_ | let's wait for a few minutes for more people to join | 17:00 |
| Cathy_ | hi Vikram | 17:01 |
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| Cathy_ | I think we can start | 17:04 |
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| nbouthors | Cathy_: hello | 17:05 |
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| Swami | yes please, we can start | 17:05 |
| Cathy_ | I am thinking about discussing the use case and the components for supporting the service chain. | 17:05 |
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| Cathy_ | nbouthors: hi | 17:05 |
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| Cathy_ | is that OK with everyone. Any other suggestion? | 17:05 |
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| Swami | Cathy_: fine | 17:06 |
| Swami | #Agenda Use Case discussion | 17:06 |
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| Cathy_ | here is a link to the use case and the components for supporting service chaining in Neutron | 17:06 |
| s3wong | Swami: #topic would be more appropriate :-) | 17:06 |
| Swami | s3wong: yes makes sense | 17:07 |
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| Cathy_ | Swami: would you like to post the link to the slides we prepared for the discussion? | 17:08 |
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| Swami | sure | 17:08 |
| Cathy_ | #topic use case and components discussion | 17:08 |
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| Swami | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SpVyLBCMRFBpMh7BsHmpENbSY6qh1s5NRsAS68ykd_0/edit?usp=sharing | 17:09 |
| Cathy_ | the neutron service chain API is used for the case that the user wants to use OpenStack Neutron and OVS to support service chaining. Any comments on this? | 17:10 |
| Cathy_ | By Neutron service chain API, I mean the port chain API which was presented at the OpenStack Summit | 17:11 |
| LouisF | This basic api is needed to support chaining of vnfs | 17:12 |
| nbouthors | Is this an abstract description of the chain ? | 17:12 |
| Cathy_ | let's go through slide by slide. | 17:12 |
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| Cathy_ | the port chain is not the Intent abstraction level API | 17:13 |
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| Cathy_ | It is a specification of the logical chain API | 17:13 |
| Cathy_ | the abstraction level matches existing Neutron abstraction level | 17:13 |
| Swami | Cathy_: I think what you are trying to say is inorder for the intent based port chaining to occur here are the high level actions items that has to be taken in neutron. | 17:14 |
| LouisF | nbouthors: it is a specification of the chain in terms of neutron port-pairs | 17:14 |
| Cathy_ | LouisF: yes | 17:14 |
| LouisF | nbouthors: each port-pair represents a VNF | 17:14 |
| Cathy_ | Swami: yes | 17:14 |
| nbouthors | LouisF: A VNF instance | 17:15 |
| LouisF | nbouthors: correct | 17:15 |
| Cathy_ | The high level intent Infra can map the high level intent abstraction API to this Neutron level port chain API if it wants to leverage the Neutron module functionality | 17:15 |
| Cathy_ | But in this project, we will not cover the Intent Engine. We will concentrate on implementing the Neutron port chain API and the related service chain plugin to support this API | 17:16 |
| nbouthors | So a lot of work has been done prior to using the Neutron Port Chain API, in term of resource identification and location. | 17:16 |
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| LouisF | nbouthors: what resources do you mean? | 17:17 |
| Cathy_ | nbouthors: yes in terms of the service function resource and location | 17:17 |
| nbouthors | LouisF: for example which VNF instance exists, what are the locators which can be used to send traffic to them. | 17:18 |
| Cathy_ | So the user needs to first create the service function (like FW) and gets the port of the FW before using this port chain API. | 17:18 |
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| LouisF | nbouthors: correct, it is expected that the VNF instance resources will already be set up | 17:19 |
| nbouthors | Cathy_: OK, what about SFFs addresses ? | 17:19 |
| Cathy_ | Any question on the use case? and architecture diagram in slide 2? | 17:20 |
| LouisF | nbouthors: the steering to SFFs will be handled by the drivers | 17:20 |
| nbouthors | Cathy_: yes | 17:20 |
| Cathy_ | nbouthors: SFF addresses are not specified at the API level and will be automatically decided at the Service chain Plugin and driver level | 17:21 |
| nbouthors | LouisF: OK, so we suppose that from a VM info the driver can find the associated responsible SFF. It could work. | 17:21 |
| LouisF | nbouthors: that is the idea | 17:21 |
| nbouthors | Cathy_: I am checking that it fits the ODL SFC data model. | 17:22 |
| Cathy_ | nbouthors: OK. thanks. | 17:23 |
| nbouthors | Cathy_: I am ok with slides 2 and 3 | 17:24 |
| Cathy_ | for the case the SDN Controller is plugined into the Neutron, then the SDN Controller will decide the SFF based on the SF locator information. For the case that OVS is plugined into the Neutron, the OVS driver will do that. | 17:25 |
| Cathy_ | nbouthors: good | 17:25 |
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| Cathy_ | let's go back to slide 4 | 17:26 |
| Cathy_ | go to slide 4 | 17:26 |
| Cathy_ | slide 4 lists the breakdown of the work we need to deliver for supporting the port chain functionality. | 17:27 |
| LouisF | in slide 3 should there be a SDNC driver like the OVS driver? | 17:27 |
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| Cathy_ | LouisF: yes, there should be one inside the neutron server | 17:28 |
| Swami | LouisF: Can you elaborate on the SDNC driver | 17:28 |
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| Cathy_ | LouisF: we can update the slide to reflect it. Actually if you refer to the service chain presentation slides in the OpenStack Summit, it has that driver | 17:29 |
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| Cathy_ | Hi Alan | 17:29 |
| LouisF | Swami: there would be a common sfc driver api with various different datapath driver below it, eg OVS driver, SDNC driver | 17:30 |
| Swami | Cathy_: Are you talking about the "Network Controller Service Chain Driver" that you mentioned in your slide deck in the summit. | 17:30 |
| Cathy_ | yes | 17:30 |
| Cathy_ | Swami: yes | 17:30 |
| Cathy_ | Swami: are you OK with that? | 17:31 |
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| Swami | yes | 17:31 |
| Cathy_ | #action update the diagram to reflect the Network Controller driver | 17:32 |
| Cathy_ | now let's go to slide 4. Is it a complete list of the tasks for supporting this service chain functionality in openStack? | 17:32 |
| Cathy_ | any addition or modification? | 17:33 |
| Swami | This should be good to start with. We can add or remove as we go. | 17:34 |
| LouisF | that looks like a complete list | 17:34 |
| Cathy_ | sounds good. | 17:34 |
| Cathy_ | #topic tasks assignment | 17:34 |
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| nbouthors | LouisF: Is this something like an ML2 driver structure, where a set of ports are managed by a specific driver, with a plugin mechanism to keep the specific driver out of the main ce tree? | 17:34 |
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| Cathy_ | Now let's see who would like to lead the development/design of which part? | 17:35 |
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| LouisF | nbouthors: yes that would be the way to go | 17:35 |
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| nbouthors | LouisF: ok | 17:35 |
| Cathy_ | Anyone like to lead the CLI/ Horizon/Heat part work? | 17:36 |
| Swami | Cathy_: LouisF: I still have a question on the Network Controller Service Chain driver - what would be the functionality of this driver. | 17:36 |
| Cathy_ | back up a little bit. | 17:36 |
| Cathy_ | let's start from the beginning | 17:36 |
| LouisF | Swami: it would be translate the port chain abstraction into a form used by the SDNC | 17:37 |
| Swami | But should that logic reside in neutron. | 17:37 |
| Swami | It can be the responsibility of the North bound interface in the SDN controller where neutron feeds in. | 17:38 |
| LouisF | Swami: correct but is a specific sdnc driver which would sit below the common sfc drriver api | 17:38 |
| Swami | LouisF: this is basically from your block diagram, what I am asking will it be neutron's responsibility to provide that abstraction or can we leave it to the SDN controllers to handle it. | 17:39 |
| Swami | What are the pros and cons. | 17:39 |
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| Cathy_ | Swami: basically different service chain driver (OVS driver or some vendor's network controller driver) will do their own translation from the common service chain driver API to their specific SFC API. Yes the translation should be handler by the network Controller | 17:40 |
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| Cathy_ | Swami: OK with you? | 17:41 |
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| Swami | Cathy_: I still have a confusion on that aspect, but I don't want to slow your progress, for now let us focus on the OVS Driver for the first release and move on. I can chat with you later to understand it in more detail. | 17:42 |
| Cathy_ | Swami: are you there? | 17:42 |
| Cathy_ | Swami: sure. let's focus on the OVS part | 17:42 |
| Cathy_ | now let's go through the task assignment on slide 4. | 17:43 |
| Cathy_ | 1. repo creation. Shall we create it in Stackforge? Is Stackforge doing away? | 17:44 |
| Cathy_ | I mean is Stackforge going away? | 17:44 |
| Swami | armax: can you comment on the repo | 17:44 |
| Cathy_ | Anyone knows whether there is a new type of repo for new projects of the Big Tent? | 17:45 |
| armax | hi | 17:45 |
| Cathy_ | What is the new rule? | 17:45 |
| armax | sorry I thought the meeting was at 11am PST | 17:45 |
| armax | :( | 17:45 |
| armax | let me backtrack | 17:45 |
| Cathy_ | armax: :-) np. Great you are here | 17:46 |
| armax | Cathy_: not sure what first steps were decided | 17:46 |
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| armax | I imagine that setting up a repo where we start iterating on is one of the first steps | 17:47 |
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| armax | Cathy_: we could use the same repo to hold the API document where the discussion can take place | 17:47 |
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| Cathy_ | armax: could you clarify what you mean? We are wondering whether there is a new repo for new project targeted at Big Tent or Neutron Tent? Or shall we use Stackforge? We would like to do this right to avoid moving the repo. | 17:48 |
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| armax | Cathy_: did you follow up with openstack-infra? I don’t think we’re quite ready to accept projects under the openstack namespace | 17:48 |
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| armax | Cathy_: and renaming isn’t a big deal either | 17:48 |
| Cathy_ | armax: could you clarify "we could use the same repo to hold the API document where the discussion can take place"? Which repo is that? Shall we develop code in that repo? | 17:49 |
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| Cathy_ | Sorry I have not followed up with openstack-infra. I will do that | 17:49 |
| armax | Cathy_: I think we agreed that it makes sense to have this SFC initiative take place the same way other initiatives have taken place, for instance networking-l2gw | 17:49 |
| armax | Cathy_: in that case, we created a repo, and we used to hold the API spec too | 17:50 |
| Cathy_ | #action: Cathy follow up with openstack-infra about repo space for this project | 17:50 |
| armax | Cathy_: if SFC is its own initiative, there’s no need to track the spec within the neutron-specs repo | 17:50 |
| armax | Cathy_: as we won’t have rights to ‘merge’ it if we have reached a consensus on what the API should look like | 17:51 |
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| armax | Cathy_: rather than creating two repos: one for specs and one for code | 17:51 |
| Cathy_ | armax: Ok, I will do contact openstack-infra and maybe contact you off line to get this sorted out and the repo created. | 17:51 |
| armax | Cathy_: we could just trailblaze the new RFE process where effectively we go straight from RFE to documentation of what the API needs to look like | 17:52 |
| armax | and that can happen directly in the repo where the code exists | 17:52 |
| armax | Cathy_: sounds good | 17:52 |
| LouisF | armax: so you are proposing we use stackforge as the repo? | 17:53 |
| armax | Cathy_: my suggestion is: let’s create the repo and move over on the existing related SFC documents to be devref docs in the newly created repo | 17:53 |
| armax | LouisF: yes | 17:53 |
| armax | well | 17:53 |
| armax | as namespace | 17:53 |
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| armax | the repo might be something like networking-sfc | 17:53 |
| armax | or neutron-sfc | 17:53 |
| armax | whichever we end up settling on in terms on naming | 17:53 |
| LouisF | armax: neutron-sfc | 17:53 |
| armax | LouisF: it’s not up to us to decide | 17:54 |
| LouisF | armax: ok | 17:54 |
| Swami | armax: who decides on the repo name | 17:54 |
| armax | LouisF: in the past some folks pushed back on using neutron as prefix, but things might have changed | 17:54 |
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| Cathy_ | armax: I needs to digest all your points:-) I will investigate and create the repo offline instead of stuck at this repo point. Now let's move on | 17:54 |
| vikram | hi | 17:55 |
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| LouisF | vikram: hi | 17:55 |
| armax | Cathy_: I can help you with that | 17:55 |
| vikram | Sorry to be late | 17:55 |
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| Cathy_ | Integration with CLI, Horizon, Heat. Who would like to lead this? Vikram, are you there? | 17:55 |
| vikram | Meeting is from 18:00 UTC | 17:55 |
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| Cathy_ | armax: thanks! | 17:55 |
| armax | the sooner we move past this the quicker we can start iterating on what the API needs to look like on all the various levels and what type of use case we want to achieve by the end of Liberty | 17:55 |
| vikram | I will take care | 17:56 |
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| armax | Cathy_: I think we need to be extremily diligent during the process becasuse the timeline is very aggessive | 17:56 |
| Cathy_ | armax: sure. Will do this as the first priority | 17:56 |
| armax | and we can’t afford to boil the ocean | 17:56 |
| armax | otherwise by the end of Liberty we’ll have nothing to show for | 17:56 |
| Cathy_ | armax: yes, will appreciate your help on this! | 17:56 |
| armax | and who wants that? :) | 17:56 |
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| Cathy_ | armax: 100% agree with you that we can not afford to boil the ocean | 17:57 |
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| Cathy_ | vikram: can you take that? I am always here to help if any issue. | 17:57 |
| armax | vikram: ah, so I wasn’t the only one confused about the time of the meeting! | 17:58 |
| LouisF | vikram: I will help on that also | 17:58 |
| vikram | Ok.. Np | 17:58 |
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| numan | Hi | 17:58 |
| igordcard_ | hi - the time is now right? | 17:59 |
| vikram | Cathy_, LouisF: Thanks | 17:59 |
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| s3wong | 1800 utc now | 18:00 |
| Cathy_ | I am sorry about the time. BTW, two developer who have expressed in interest in joining the code development can not join today due to holiday in their country and conflict with another meeting. | 18:00 |
| * armax confused | 18:00 | |
| Cathy_ | igordcard_: yes | 18:00 |
| armax | are we at time now, or are going for another hour? If so, it may make sense rebooting this conversation | 18:00 |
| igordcard_ | Cathy_: I have a conflict with another meeting, but I will be glancing upon this one as well | 18:00 |
| Cathy_ | let's stop here and we cna resume the discussion in next IRC meeting. | 18:01 |
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| Cathy_ | igordcard_: sure. np. | 18:01 |
| Swami | sure | 18:01 |
| Cathy_ | I will work on the meeting time and send to everyone. | 18:01 |
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| Cathy_ | bye everyone, see you in next IRC meeting | 18:02 |
| armax | Cathy_: one suggestion is not to send private emails alongside the dev list | 18:02 |
| armax | Cathy_: otherwise people subscribed to the list will receive emails twice for no good reason | 18:02 |
| igordcard_ | Cathy_: but is the meeting ending or starting? | 18:02 |
| vikram | bye | 18:02 |
| Cathy_ | armax: sure. I always send to openstack-dev | 18:02 |
| pcarver | I thought the service chaining meeting was at 1800. Is it 1700? | 18:02 |
| Cathy_ | or CC openstack-dev | 18:02 |
| fitoduarte | service chain meeting? | 18:02 |
| armax | Cathy_: just address openstack-dev | 18:03 |
| johnsom | Yeah, also just joined for service chaining meeting | 18:03 |
| Cathy_ | fitoduarte: it just ends. | 18:03 |
| armax | pcarver, igordcard_: ye\s | 18:03 |
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| armax | pcarver, igordcard_ there’s been a misunderstanding | 18:03 |
| vikram | yes I also thought it's 18:00 .. It's mentioned over the meeting page | 18:03 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:03 |
| pcarver | Is this a recurring meeting at 1700 weekly? | 18:03 |
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| fitoduarte | I have it at 1800 as well.. so it changed to 1700 utc? | 18:03 |
| Cathy_ | johnsom: sorry about the mess-up on the meeting time. Is 1800 UTC 10am pacific time, right? Am I wrong on the meeting conversion time? | 18:03 |
| fitoduarte | 1800 utc is 11:00 am pacifict time. | 18:04 |
| armax | pcarver, igordcard_ the meeting was supposed to start now but it started an hour before, I suppose we’ll read the log on eavesdrop to catch up what happened, and next week we’ll get it right! 18UTC == 11am for the PST folks | 18:04 |
| pcarver | UTC doesn't do daylight savings | 18:04 |
| Cathy_ | pcarver: it is a recurring meeting | 18:04 |
| johnsom | Cathy_ 11am pacific | 18:04 |
| armax | Cathy_: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=18+UTC converts the time in the local timezone | 18:04 |
| Cathy_ | fitoduarte: really. I checked the google and it says 10am pacific time. Let me double check this. Sorry folks! | 18:04 |
| xgerman | yep, Outlook has it as a timezone — that ’s how I keep track of it | 18:04 |
| pcarver | make sure you distinguish between PST and PDT | 18:05 |
| fitoduarte | right now it is is 1800 utc no matter where in the world you are :) | 18:05 |
| armax | we overrun, we should get out of this channel | 18:05 |
| fitoduarte | lates | 18:05 |
| Cathy_ | pcarver: Oh, yeh, let's me check again. Sorry again. I guess we need to go now and I will modify the meeting time and send it out to everyone. | 18:06 |
| armax | let’s endmeeting, please | 18:06 |
| Cathy_ | by now | 18:06 |
| Cathy_ | #endmeeting | 18:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 4 18:06:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-06-04-16.59.html | 18:06 |
| johnsom | armax This is the meeting time | 18:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-06-04-16.59.txt | 18:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/service_chaining/2015/service_chaining.2015-06-04-16.59.log.html | 18:06 |
| armax | johnsom: I am afraid there’s been a bit of a clusterconfusion | 18:06 |
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| johnsom | The timeslot that was just used was neutron L2 gateway | 18:07 |
| johnsom | Oh, different day, nevermind | 18:07 |
| armax | johnsom: right | 18:07 |
| armax | johnsom: let’s read the minutes, it’s the most sane thing to do at this point :) | 18:08 |
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| xgerman | yep | 18:09 |
| dougwig | heh. | 18:09 |
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