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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 15:00:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| krtaylor | who's here for third party CI working group meeting? | 15:01 |
| patrickeast | hi | 15:01 |
| mmedvede | hello | 15:01 |
| wznoinsk | hi o/ | 15:01 |
| BobBall | o/ | 15:01 |
| stefano_s | hello | 15:01 |
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| krtaylor | hi everybody, full agenda today | 15:02 |
| asselin | hi | 15:02 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#5.2F13.2F15_1500_UTC | 15:02 |
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| krtaylor | so first off, I want to make sure that everyone knows that next weeks meeting is canceled due to summit | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | it is the 0400UTC meeting | 15:03 |
| marcusvrn_ | Hi | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | so we will resume meetings after summit with the 1500UTC | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | and, its a topic I'd like to discuss there, whether the continued use of all the meetings continues to be necessary | 15:04 |
| krtaylor | or if we could go to every other week, or combine with some of the infra office hours meetings | 15:05 |
| krtaylor | might be a good email thread also | 15:05 |
| krtaylor | anyway, on to topics | 15:06 |
| krtaylor | #topic TPCIWG Session in Vancouver | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "TPCIWG Session in Vancouver (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:06 | |
| krtaylor | our design session was not accepted, but the good news is that we have a infra work session for downstream-puppet and a BoF | 15:07 |
| krtaylor | asselin, I believe that the infra times have been set for your meeting, part 1 and 2 correct? | 15:07 |
| asselin | krtaylor, yes I think so | 15:08 |
| asselin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-liberty-summit-planning | 15:08 |
| asselin | not sure where they get officially scheduled? | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | Surely on https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/ ? | 15:09 |
| asselin | I think those are the general public meetings.... | 15:10 |
| krtaylor | yes, Thursday 3:10 and 4:10 | 15:10 |
| krtaylor | http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/2fc3cbea0ca84febf5a334cd5ca4d723 | 15:10 |
| krtaylor | see the description | 15:10 |
| krtaylor | and the Bof is Wed, 1:50 local time | 15:11 |
| krtaylor | #link https://openstacksummitmay2015vancouver.sched.org/event/3d1a571f8e295eaeedee9af0ac03de57 | 15:12 |
| krtaylor | I encourage everyone to attend these | 15:12 |
| * asselin adds to schedule | 15:12 | |
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| krtaylor | BobBall and I have been discussing how we could work some of the working group agenda items into the BoF session | 15:14 |
| krtaylor | so there may be time to discuss and brainstorm some of those topics we listed | 15:14 |
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| krtaylor | any questions on those sessions? | 15:15 |
| BobBall | I do hope so; a number of the items in the etherpad are also specific questions that we already wanted to talk about at the BoF | 15:15 |
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| krtaylor | BobBall, excellent, are you or stefano_s leading that? | 15:16 |
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| stefano_s | krtaylor: we are going to co-chair the BoF | 15:16 |
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| * krtaylor is looking forward to meeting everyone | 15:18 | |
| stefano_s | yep, me too | 15:18 |
| asselin | when is bof scheduled? | 15:18 |
| krtaylor | asselin, see the link, wed 1:50 | 15:18 |
| BobBall | The BoF was the second link krtaylor postedhttps://openstacksummitmay2015vancouver.sched.org/event/3d1a571f8e295eaeedee9af0ac03de57 | 15:18 |
| asselin | thanks | 15:19 |
| krtaylor | I'm not sure the format since it is a user session, we may have to make it more fishbowl-ish so that we can promote a discussion | 15:20 |
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| krtaylor | but, we'll see, the good news is that we have several opportunities to discuss things at summit | 15:20 |
| BobBall | We're not sure of the format either - but discussion is certainly what we want to encourage so I'm sure we'll make it work | 15:20 |
| krtaylor | and I am always available for lunch/dinner discussions too | 15:21 |
| stefano_s | krtaylor: that would be great, actually | 15:21 |
| stefano_s | it is my first time at openstack summit, I am looking forward to getting to know the community better | 15:21 |
| BobBall | Is the Friday sprint session also relevant with the focus on puppet-openstackci? | 15:21 |
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| asselin | BobBall, yes | 15:22 |
| krtaylor | BobBall, absolutely | 15:22 |
| BobBall | Good good - as I assumed | 15:22 |
| krtaylor | it is everyone packed into a room all working on related topics | 15:22 |
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| * BobBall will be there for that too. | 15:22 | |
| krtaylor | so any questions are quickly answered | 15:22 |
| krtaylor | = fast progress | 15:23 |
| krtaylor | lots of little meetings happen, its one of my favorite times at summit | 15:23 |
| krtaylor | ok, anything else on summit meetings? | 15:24 |
| krtaylor | #topic Repo for third party tools | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Repo for third party tools (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:24 | |
| krtaylor | so our repository is waiting for code | 15:25 |
| krtaylor | and I know some of you have nice tools that you have written | 15:25 |
| krtaylor | so the call is out to start pulling them together | 15:25 |
| asselin | +1 | 15:25 |
| BobBall | What sort of tools are you looking for in this repo? | 15:25 |
| krtaylor | sweston has pushed a patchset for radar, the proposed CI monitoring dashboard | 15:26 |
| patrickeast | oh so i had a question about that, isn’t radar already in a stackforge repo? | 15:26 |
| krtaylor | BobBall, anything that helps you with your environment, that falls outside of infra code | 15:26 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, yes, and after seeing how big the patchset was, maybe it should stay there | 15:27 |
| krtaylor | the argument for it in our repo is that we have multiple cores that can take care of it | 15:27 |
| patrickeast | ah yea thats true, we would take ownership of it | 15:28 |
| asselin | we can add cores to the other project | 15:28 |
| krtaylor | I guess if it stayed in radar repo, then we'd need to add more of us to the core roles for it | 15:28 |
| krtaylor | either way, I kind of lean toward centralizing everything | 15:29 |
| asselin | -1 | 15:29 |
| patrickeast | iirc at one point we talked about when some project in this repo got big enough it could split into its own repo… radar might already be there | 15:29 |
| krtaylor | but the downside is cloning would get everything | 15:29 |
| krtaylor | right | 15:29 |
| asselin | I think it's better to keep it separate when it makes sence | 15:29 |
| asselin | infra started central with all puppet modules and split them out. | 15:30 |
| asselin | I think eventually some parts of the thirdparty tools would follow the same fate | 15:30 |
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| BobBall | BTW - is there an instance of radar running centrally? | 15:30 |
| krtaylor | asselin, I think that is a good point, let's start documenting our position in the patchset | 15:31 |
| mmedvede | +1 keep separate if makes sense. It is easy to merge, hard to split | 15:31 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181562/ | 15:31 |
| krtaylor | cool, so we all agree to keep it separate? | 15:32 |
| krtaylor | BobBall, no, that would hopefully be the eventual outcome | 15:33 |
| BobBall | Good good. I'd like to talk about that too :) | 15:33 |
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| krtaylor | yes, it is an important tool to help increase the trust in third party CI reporting results | 15:33 |
| * asselin added a comment | 15:34 | |
| krtaylor | devs need to be able to quickly see if a system can be trusted, or even compare its result statistics to those of upstream jenkins | 15:34 |
| krtaylor | thanks asselin, I will too | 15:34 |
| krtaylor | ok, so get those other tool patchsets flowing to the repo | 15:35 |
| krtaylor | we have a few also, ping mmedvede :) | 15:36 |
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| krtaylor | any questions on the repo? | 15:36 |
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| patrickeast | did we have the directory layout documented somewhere? | 15:36 |
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| patrickeast | i put some stuff up for review but just kind of threw things in folder willy-nilly | 15:37 |
| krtaylor | patrickeast, I realized that I never pushed that | 15:37 |
| asselin | yeah...was wondering that when reviewing the fc passthrough patch | 15:37 |
| mmedvede | krtaylor: yes, I need to work on adding some | 15:37 |
| krtaylor | I like the proposed | 15:38 |
| mmedvede | patrickeast: your layout seems sane. I am not sure we can know ahead of time how to best organize it | 15:38 |
| krtaylor | I think it can be moved around if need be | 15:39 |
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| krtaylor | but I like the general functional, then subdir for tool approach, thats what we discussed | 15:39 |
| krtaylor | I didn't put that into the readme, will do immediately | 15:39 |
| krtaylor | thanks for bringing that up patrickeast | 15:40 |
| patrickeast | np | 15:40 |
| krtaylor | any other repo questions? | 15:40 |
| krtaylor | #topic Monitoring dashboard status | 15:41 |
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| krtaylor | we have discussed this partially already, but the spec is ready to go | 15:41 |
| krtaylor | maybe we can get a +2 during summit | 15:41 |
| krtaylor | it has been simplified and all reviews are positive | 15:42 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170/ | 15:42 |
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| krtaylor | but, it will stay in the radar stackforge repo, and we'll need to add others to it for care and feeding | 15:43 |
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| krtaylor | asselin, would you bring up merge/approval to infra folks in case I forget | 15:44 |
| asselin | krtaylor, sure...perhaps a ping later today would be helpful | 15:44 |
| krtaylor | asselin, sure | 15:44 |
| krtaylor | so any questions on the radar monitoring dashboard? | 15:45 |
| BobBall | Well maybe it's easier to talk about it at the summit | 15:45 |
| krtaylor | asselin, maybe we can discuss with sweston about adding others to the radar core | 15:46 |
| BobBall | but as I said I'm interested in understanding what needs to be done to get an instance running :) | 15:46 |
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| krtaylor | BobBall, agreed, unfortunately I think sweston isn't going to be able to make it to summit | 15:46 |
| BobBall | OK - maybe we can talk in this meeting after the summit | 15:47 |
| krtaylor | is everybody coming in to Vancouver Sunday? | 15:48 |
| asselin | +1 | 15:48 |
| BobBall | o/ | 15:48 |
| krtaylor | maybe we can meetup before? | 15:48 |
| patrickeast | yea ill be there sunday | 15:48 |
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| BobBall | I'd be up for that. | 15:49 |
| ja | (wandering in late) I'm not at summit but Emily will rep us if you tell her | 15:49 |
| ja | to first order I doubt we'll need anything new/different | 15:50 |
| krtaylor | nice, that might be a good beverage session somewhere close tot he convention center | 15:50 |
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| asselin | +1 | 15:51 |
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| krtaylor | maybe meet at the Sun ubuntu party | 15:51 |
| asselin | Yes...I think I registered for that. I need to double-check what time I arrive...might be later than I remember... | 15:52 |
| krtaylor | anyway, one last topic | 15:52 |
| krtaylor | #topic downstream-puppet | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "downstream-puppet (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:53 | |
| krtaylor | anything you want to say asselin ? | 15:53 |
| asselin | well the log server patches merged and are now in production! | 15:53 |
| krtaylor | it was pretty well discussed at the office hours meeting on Monday | 15:53 |
| krtaylor | excellent! | 15:53 |
| asselin | there's active patches now for jenkins & zuul. | 15:53 |
| asselin | still looking for volunteers for a few more parts. | 15:54 |
| mmedvede | I am trying the zuul in-progress patch to deploy zuul | 15:54 |
| asselin | mmedvede, cool! | 15:54 |
| asselin | would be good to get started pre-summit and maybe we can fix up whatever's left during the sprint next friday | 15:55 |
| krtaylor | yes, with the working sessions and the sprint, it should make huge progress next week | 15:56 |
| krtaylor | alright I'll open the floor for the last few minutes | 15:57 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:57 | |
| krtaylor | quick questions? comments? | 15:57 |
| krtaylor | remember: next weeks working group meeting will be canceled | 15:59 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone, great meeting, looking forward to seeing everyone at summit that can make it | 15:59 |
| asselin | thanks krtaylor | 16:00 |
| stefano_s | indeed, see you next week | 16:00 |
| BobBall | o/ | 16:00 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 16:00:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-05-13-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-05-13-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-05-13-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting kolla | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 16:01:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:01 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:01 | |
| rhallisey | hi | 16:02 |
| sdake | o/ | 16:02 |
| daneyon_ | hey | 16:02 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:02 |
| sdake | we will wait a few minutes for others to join in | 16:03 |
| sdake | since the meeting change may have thrown people :) | 16:03 |
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| daneyon_ | ok | 16:04 |
| fangfenghua_ | o | 16:04 |
| sdake | hey fang | 16:04 |
| sdake | ok lets get rolling | 16:04 |
| sdake | #topic agenda | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:04 | |
| sdake | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:05 |
| sdake | anyone have anything to add to the agenda? | 16:05 |
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| sdake | #topic announcements | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:05 | |
| daneyon_ | looks good to me | 16:05 |
| sdake | our most important announcement is that stable/kilo, stable/juno, and stable/icehouse have branched | 16:06 |
| sdake | and stable/kilo works like a champ - yay team :) | 16:06 |
| rhallisey | nice job | 16:06 |
| daneyon_ | yay!!!!!!! | 16:06 |
| sdake | we have really come a long far way since milestone #2 when we were rolling on kubernetes | 16:06 |
| fangfenghua_ | nice | 16:06 |
| sdake | I hope folks feel as good as I do about the change in direction | 16:06 |
| jpeeler | woohoo | 16:06 |
| sdake | announcement #2, the Thanks Docker! talk has about 270 people signed up | 16:07 |
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| sdake | the room has capacity for 360 people | 16:07 |
| sdake | there is about 6k people that attend the openstack conference | 16:07 |
| sdake | so I expect the room will e packed | 16:08 |
| sdake | get there early ;) | 16:08 |
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| sdake | we are doing a live demo of kolla | 16:08 |
| sdake | using heat | 16:08 |
| sdake | so pretty much the entire stack except magnum | 16:08 |
| sdake | the talk will be rockin | 16:08 |
| sdake | announcement #3, for folks that are Kolla developers, I'm planning a get together dinner Monday night | 16:09 |
| sdake | my tuesday/wed are booked, so monday is the best I can do :) | 16:09 |
| sdake | you dont have to be core to attend | 16:09 |
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| sdake | reviewers/committers welcome | 16:09 |
| daneyon_ | @thesizzler | 16:10 |
| sdake | announcement #4, (last one:) | 16:10 |
| sdake | haha sizzler | 16:10 |
| daneyon_ | :-O | 16:10 |
| sdake | It will be some place nice ;) | 16:10 |
| sdake | If your interested in attending email stdake@cisco.com plz ;) | 16:10 |
| sdake | k announcement 34 | 16:11 |
| sdake | #4 | 16:11 |
| sdake | we have a slot during ansible community day on monday | 16:11 |
| sdake | I plan to use this slot to gather requirements for what people would like to see out of our ansible container deployment tool | 16:11 |
| sdake | hold for link | 16:11 |
| sdake | actually I don't have a link yet | 16:11 |
| sdake | hold for info ;) | 16:11 |
| * rhallisey holds | 16:12 | |
| sdake | Monday 16:40-17:30 | 16:12 |
| sdake | ya I don't have the room number I am full of fail :) | 16:13 |
| sdake | I'll announce on the mailing list under the [kolla] tag | 16:13 |
| sdake | expect to see the cores there :) | 16:13 |
| sdake | and anyoen else interested | 16:13 |
| rhallisey | will do | 16:13 |
| sdake | Anyone from the community have announcements? | 16:13 |
| sdake | #topic continuous integration | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "continuous integration (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:14 | |
| sdake | jpeeler your up ;) | 16:14 |
| jpeeler | if you haven't seen the review - it's here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168598/ | 16:14 |
| jpeeler | as i was talking about earlier in #kolla, i'd like it to be finalized with a tox target of actually deploying the environment. but there are some patches that aren't completed yet. | 16:15 |
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| jpeeler | i'm thinking that at this point it's best to go ahead and merge what's there, which would allow us to at least gate on image building verification | 16:16 |
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| jpeeler | and then interate on the full functional testing | 16:16 |
| jpeeler | thoughts? | 16:16 |
| sdake | cool image gating would be a spectacular first start | 16:16 |
| rhallisey | good start | 16:16 |
| rhallisey | glad this is coming around | 16:16 |
| sdake | for functional testing, are you thinking tempest? | 16:16 |
| sdake | or something else | 16:16 |
| sdake | what would be handy is to run the functional tests of each project | 16:16 |
| sdake | since each project has functional tests built in now | 16:17 |
| jpeeler | sdake: i haven't looked at tempest in a long time, but the heat project had great difficulty when doing down that path | 16:17 |
| sdake | so we don't have to write them | 16:17 |
| jpeeler | i have a very simple example test to functionally test using the keystone API | 16:17 |
| sdake | what I want to avoid is writing a bunch of functional tests for things like launching vms, testing network operations, etc | 16:17 |
| sdake | those should belong in individual projects | 16:17 |
| sdake | I think keystone should have its own functional test suite in its codebase and this is probably the case | 16:18 |
| sdake | thoughts? | 16:18 |
| daneyon_ | +1 on taking advantage of tests within each project. | 16:18 |
| fangfenghua_ | but we need test the system deploy by kolla | 16:19 |
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| fangfenghua_ | if we didn't lanch a vm | 16:19 |
| sdake | the nova functioanl tets I'm sure launch vms :) | 16:19 |
| sdake | perhaps someone can take an action item to determine if there are functional tests we can use in the individual projects | 16:19 |
| sdake | e.g. check out their repo and run their functional test suite | 16:20 |
| sdake | against the kolla deployed system after images are buitl | 16:20 |
| sdake | so the action is to determine which of the projects we implement have functional tests | 16:20 |
| jpeeler | i'd be in favor of having a "smokescreen" to be able to quickly verify our deployment though | 16:20 |
| sdake | jpeeler +1 | 16:21 |
| jpeeler | if you look at the keystone test | 16:21 |
| sdake | maybe we need two gates | 16:21 |
| jpeeler | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168598/12/tests/test_keystone.py,cm | 16:21 |
| sdake | one nonvoting full functional gate | 16:21 |
| sdake | and one voting smokescreen | 16:21 |
| jpeeler | it's really easy to write these tests to get some idea of non-broken functionality | 16:21 |
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| sdake | ok lets have a vote on that model | 16:21 |
| sdake | +1 = two gates, -1 = don't lilke two gates | 16:21 |
| sdake | +1 | 16:22 |
| fangfenghua_ | +1 | 16:22 |
| daneyon_ | +1 | 16:22 |
| rhallisey | +1 | 16:22 |
| sdake | sounds unanimous (for those here;) | 16:22 |
| sdake | ok so jpeeler proceed with the smokescreen | 16:23 |
| sdake | after smokescreen gate is running and operational we can revisit the full functional test gate via checking out the repos etc | 16:23 |
| sdake | sounds good? | 16:23 |
| jpeeler | it does, except first we'll get image buildling in the gate | 16:23 |
| jpeeler | then the smokescreen stuff, right? | 16:23 |
| sdake | right | 16:23 |
| daneyon_ | sounds good | 16:23 |
| sdake | just planning ahead | 16:23 |
| jpeeler | alrighty | 16:24 |
| sdake | ok that shoudl do it for ci | 16:24 |
| sdake | anyone have any other comments? | 16:24 |
| jpeeler | i was hoping once the groundwork is done, people can help with the mini client tests | 16:24 |
| daneyon_ | sounds fair | 16:24 |
| sdake | sounds good | 16:24 |
| jpeeler | ok cool, that's all | 16:25 |
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| sdake | #topic Ansible Collaboration Day prep | 16:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ansible Collaboration Day prep (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:25 | |
| sdake | Ok so we have 1 hour | 16:25 |
| sdake | i'd like to run the session like a design session | 16:25 |
| sdake | where we can gab about our requiremetns | 16:25 |
| sdake | "so we can take the requirements from the customers to the engineers" | 16:25 |
| daneyon_ | makes sense | 16:26 |
| * sdake has never beat down a printer btw | 16:26 | |
| sdake | for prep, it would be handy if we had a list of subjects to discuss during the session | 16:26 |
| daneyon_ | etherpad it now? | 16:26 |
| sdake | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ansible-kolla | 16:27 |
| sdake | bingo | 16:27 |
| daneyon_ | like magic | 16:27 |
| sdake | ok guys, get writing for 5-10 minutes plz :) | 16:27 |
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| sdake | fangfenghua any chancey ou can add to the etherpad ? :) | 16:32 |
| sdake | make sure to name yourselves in the upper right hand corner so people know who wrote what ;-) | 16:36 |
| sdake | cool well we got more out of that then I expected ;) | 16:37 |
| sdake | thatshould be plenty to get an hour of conversation going ;) | 16:37 |
| jpeeler | i'm not familiar with osad | 16:37 |
| sdake | its an ansible deployment tool using lxc and fat conainers (runs full init, getty etc) | 16:38 |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 16:39 |
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| sdake | boy etherpad rocks - it multiples 5 brains into 20 ;) | 16:40 |
| sdake | any open discussion folks want to have? | 16:40 |
| sdake | does anyone know what time the tripleo session on kolla is? | 16:41 |
| rhallisey | no | 16:41 |
| sdake | i'll figure that out and send out an email with the relevant rooms/times of kolla sessions so folks have it in one place | 16:42 |
| sdake | I look forward to seeing those of you that can attend summit there :) | 16:43 |
| sdake | please remember if your interested in a monday 7pm dinner please contact me stdake@cisco.com | 16:43 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 16:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 13 16:44:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-05-13-16.01.html | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-05-13-16.01.txt | 16:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2015/kolla.2015-05-13-16.01.log.html | 16:44 |
| rhallisey | thanks | 16:44 |
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| rockyg | O/ | 19:04 |
| rockyg | Sorry I'm late | 19:05 |
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| rockyg | Anyone here? | 19:08 |
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| Rockyg_ | jokke_: bknudson? | 19:14 |
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| bknudson | what's up? | 19:14 |
| Rockyg_ | Oh. I'm 45min early, aren't I? | 19:15 |
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| Rockyg_ | Sorry. | 19:15 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | Anyone here for log_wg? | 20:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | Hey! | 20:02 |
| nkrinner | hi | 20:02 |
| nkrinner | (but will probably leave soon) | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | okay! | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 13 20:03:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | I want to highlight meetings that involve log stuff at the summit. | 20:03 |
| bknudson | I worked on the etherpad for oslo.log -- https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-oslo-log-plans | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/a03e8481405d57075c0a6d08c5601051#.VVOuYPCam1o | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | It's a Cisco session in Ops that would be good to garner info from | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | Thank you bknudson | 20:05 |
| bknudson | mystic logs are bad | 20:06 |
| Rockyg | #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/764d77baafe13caaad8ff1badabb9b9a#.VVOux_Cam1o | 20:06 |
| Rockyg | I think it's a sponsored session (the mystic logs...) | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | The second one is the state of log efforts. Ops. Strategy, status, etc | 20:07 |
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| bknudson | what's the goal of this session? | 20:08 |
| bknudson | "How do we fix logging?" | 20:08 |
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| Rockyg | I want to have this googledoc available for folks to flesh out: #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XTncfK_droY8E-Uy2icVuU-z9ya38ZBK_ZIRvGfPOXc/edit#gid=0 | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | bknudson: It's what we have done so far, whether we are doing the right stuff, and what do we do next, plus long term | 20:09 |
| bknudson | what have we done so far? | 20:10 |
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| Rockyg | the oslo log plans etherpad bknudson highlighted goes with #link https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/fbfceb17bc4927136c0aa778d38586d1#.VVOv6fCam1o | 20:11 |
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| Rockyg | Well, we've got a spec in review (that will have the next iteration out before the summit starts. Even if I do it on the plane) | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | API group has standardized around rfc6801 for time stamps (which is also syslog timestamp format) | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | log guidelines got published for dev | 20:13 |
| Rockyg | so, *we* haven't done much, but stuff got done. oslo.log graduated, got a global config in for syslog format, and got lots of shiny, new, comprehensible documentation in | 20:14 |
| bknudson | not bad | 20:14 |
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| Rockyg | Yeah. And the wg has done lots of learning and organizing so we can get more done next cycle. I got this group started much too late. My bad. but, it's going now | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | also, there is a spec in review for request IDs that the ops guys have been asking for | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | And thank you dhellmann for all the oslo work you've done. You're great. And the oslo team | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: I think you mean ISO 8601, not RFC 8601 (the latter is not related to date formats) | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: thanks! I hope we can keep the momentum going | 20:16 |
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| Rockyg | dhellmann: Oops. dyslexed that one.... | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | well, the # was right, the standards body was wrong :-) | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | <snicker> While at the summit, dhellmann and I (and maybe bknudson) are going to try to corral Morgan Fainberg to get the license changed on a chunk of github resident code for making python logging more syslog compliant. and maybe suck it into oslo.log | 20:19 |
| bknudson | ISO8601 isn't really specific enough. | 20:19 |
| bknudson | since it allows all sorts of formats | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: i suspect they mean https://docs.python.org/2/library/datetime.html#datetime.datetime.isoformat | 20:20 |
| bknudson | y, that's one format that ISO8601 specifies | 20:20 |
| Rockyg | bknudson: Yeah, but I think we can have oslo.log always generate a specific format if everyone follows ISO 8601. And, we can add specific ISO format to the guidelines | 20:21 |
| Rockyg | Plus, I think the API spec that merged specified the preferred format | 20:21 |
| Rockyg | So, for summit, there are also API working sessions. I need to talk to etoews about which one(s) might include a focus on logging. | 20:23 |
| Rockyg | bknudson, nkrinner, can you check the google spreadsheet I posted above and fill out any known logs and info you are aware of from your dev work? | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | I haven't gotten the keystone log files in yet. But I know they are (or mostly are) some apache format. | 20:24 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann: what am I forgetting? | 20:25 |
| bknudson | what is this spreadsheet supposed to be showing? | 20:25 |
| bknudson | the default configuration? | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: I added a couple of proposed changes to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-oslo-log-plans , did you see those? | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | What log files are generated, their format, the default location they are written to, which project they belong to, what they are supposed to communicate, whether they use oslo.log or what other, etc. | 20:27 |
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| Rockyg | If you think there is a characteristic missing, or one listed is useless, post a comment or add the column | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | I believe that all of the projects except swift are using some form of the oslo logging code, either the incubated module or the library (I haven't checked to see if all projects have adopted the lib yet) | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann: Yes. I see 3 specs? | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: that's right | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | I edited from 2 different computers, so got different author colors | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | the green and yellow are both me | 20:28 |
| Rockyg | Ah | 20:28 |
| nkrinner | Rockyg: i can add some information tomorrow, will see what is still missing then | 20:29 |
| Rockyg | Do we need to reference the codes spec or the request id spec? | 20:29 |
| Rockyg | kewl | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: you can list those, but I don't think we're going to spend a lot of time in this session talking about them because they aren't finished. It's probably more appropriate to discuss those in an ops session. | 20:30 |
| Rockyg | Also, dhellmann, do we want to perhaps consider a new, 4th one if morgan fainberg agrees to the license modification? | 20:30 |
| Rockyg | Maybe put a placeholder in the etherpad, but not put it on the agenda list? | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | that was for a formatter, right? it's still not clear we actually need that code | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | Right. although the placeholders for missing fields was a big ops gripe. They lke the number of fields in the log messages to stay the same, even if they're not used | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | it would be good to have a bug or something to track that, but I think that's easy enough to fix | 20:33 |
| Rockyg | Cool. I'll file a bug for olso.log? | 20:33 |
| Rockyg | Then put its link in the etherpad. | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: one thing I'd like to learn more about is how big of a deal it is if we do end up changing the default format for logging -- it'll break whatever operators are using for parsing now, but if it's easier is that ok? | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: sounds good, thanks | 20:34 |
| Rockyg | In fact, I'll put a link in for all the bugs for oslo.log so folks can review. | 20:34 |
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| Rockyg | Last summit, the ops present all were willing to take the pain for format improvements. Also, infra has a .erb file that does conversions of various formats that lots of folks grab. Infra would also like to see the file get smaller. | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | ok, that's good to know -- we worry a lot about backwards compatibility | 20:35 |
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| Rockyg | I'll get the summary of Paris sessions done and posted somewhere (wiki page? Since it won't change) before the summit | 20:35 |
| Rockyg | Hopefully. | 20:36 |
| Rockyg | At least, I'm getting good info from both sides now about the stuff I need to highlight from those sessions :-) | 20:37 |
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| Rockyg | Gives me a clearer direction | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:37 |
| Rockyg | #action rockyg to add oslo.log bugs link to log-plans etherpad | 20:38 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann: would it make sense to use part of the working session or state-of session to file bugs against oslo.log for the highest priority ops gripes? We can move the bugs elsewhere if they don't fit in oslo.log, but it might be a great way to capture consensus | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure if that's the best use of f2f time. Will we have an etherpad with a list by then? We could discuss from that. | 20:41 |
| Rockyg | OK. | 20:41 |
| Rockyg | I see you are adding to the work to do on the etherpad, too. | 20:41 |
| Rockyg | What about swift and oslo.log? dhellmann: are you aware of what the swift logging issues are (I know infra has some) | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg: you'll have to talk to the swift team about those, I don't know | 20:42 |
| Rockyg | OK. I plan on talking to infra, and ops about it. Once I know more, I'll be able to talk to swift. I know they don't use oslo.log, though. | 20:43 |
| Rockyg | OK. anything else we need to discuss before f2f? | 20:44 |
| * dhellmann can't think of anything | 20:45 | |
| Rockyg | Ok. Since no one has any other issues, I say let's call it a meeting. Second? | 20:45 |
| Rockyg | Hearing no objections (and no second), this meeting is baked. see you at the summit! Those who can make it | 20:47 |
| Rockyg | #endmeeting | 20:47 |
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| nkrinner | see you | 20:47 |
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| Rockyg | Thanks all1 | 20:51 |
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