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| nikhil_k | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, esheffield, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, ivasilevskaya, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, zhiyan, pkoniszewski, krykowski, ajayaa | 13:59 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 13:59 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 13:59 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 13:59 |
| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 14:00:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 14:00 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 14:00 |
| joel-coffman_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| nikhil_k | Agenda for today: | 14:00 |
| bpoulos | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | Looks like we've decent turnout.. | 14:01 |
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| nikhil_k | Let's get started | 14:01 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Kilo RC1 | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo RC1 (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:01 | |
| nikhil_k | Quick updates | 14:02 |
| nikhil_k | Specs: | 14:02 |
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| nikhil_k | 1. We got CIS (Catalog Index Service) merged on server side. Due to client HardDepFreeze we ar not letting any more changes so that is carried over to early(ish) L (as applicable) | 14:02 |
| cpallares | o/ | 14:03 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | There are few related changes to CIS that should go in, like the functional tests. Those were considered not a mandate on feature and can be merged outside of the freeze (in the RC window) | 14:03 |
| nikhil_k | Those* | 14:03 |
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| mclaren | o/ | 14:04 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 14:04 |
| lakshmiS | o/ | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | seems like we've only one pending for review: | 14:04 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/glance+branch:master+topic:bp/catalog-index-service,n,z | 14:04 |
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| nikhil_k | Welcome guys, we're just chatting on RC1 | 14:05 |
| jokke_ | that's an interesting statement ... we demand 20 lines of tests for single line bug fix and then we are willing to merge whole functionalities into release without tests? | 14:05 |
| nikhil_k | Welcome to OpenStack | 14:05 |
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| mfedosin | all test are written and passed there | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | *tests | 14:06 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157209/ | 14:06 |
| lakshmiS | the main CIS patch which got merged also had tests | 14:07 |
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| nikhil_k | The review priority and the community expectations were declared quite in advance. Lack of reviews adds pressure on the stability. We need to find a balance on this and reviewers need to focus on the program priorities. We cannot afford to work on refactors and minor fixus and smaller reviews when the whole features are waiting. We can discuss more about this in the coming weeks.. | 14:08 |
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| nikhil_k | Artifacts: | 14:08 |
| nikhil_k | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/artifact-repository | 14:08 |
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| nikhil_k | A few merged and a few did not. It's a big change and lots of code. So, we will take what we can get. | 14:09 |
| TravT_ | There is a bug fix on cis as well. I'm on mobile. So can't type quick enough. Trying to find. | 14:10 |
| ativelkov | great thanks to all the reviewers who made that possible | 14:10 |
| jokke_ | ok, do we have funtional artifacts now in the release? (not perhaps doing all that was wanted, but something that can be used?) | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | There was some conversation between the rel-mgr and project/feature repr that allowed some reviews merge in Kilo early this week | 14:10 |
| nikhil_k | Can we have funtional tests for artifacts without API merged? | 14:11 |
| ativelkov | jokke_: no, unfortunately not: the REST API commit didn't get enough reviews and was postponed | 14:11 |
| flaper87 | Although not backport candidate, we can still work on helping move those forward on L-1 | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | ativelkov: ^ | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | That should give enough time to complete the client work and stabilize the feature | 14:12 |
| wokuma | TravT: This one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166501 | 14:12 |
| ativelkov | artifacts has got the DB layer, declarative framework (flaper87 - I remember, we have agreed to refactor it a lot, Ina is already working on it), the plugin loader and some other helper stuff. No domain and REST API commit (the last one binds them all together) | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | As I stated in the reviews, the API is more delicate than the database code since it's user facing. | 14:12 |
| flaper87 | ativelkov: I started looking at Ina's work, thanks a lot for putting efforts there | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | I really appreciate the openness you guys have demostrated | 14:13 |
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| nikhil_k | flaper87: it's also experimental and to be clearly communicated as subject to change backward incompatible. I hope ativelkov will take care of that | 14:13 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: yeah, agreed on that! | 14:14 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: sure. The documentation (which haven't been merged as well) says that explicitly. But having a client at the moment of API release is a good thing, so we'll try doing that in L1 | 14:14 |
| nikhil_k | Sounds like a plan | 14:15 |
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| ativelkov | BTW, guys, do you prefer artifacts client to be part of the main python-glanceclient CLI, or should we have a separate command endpoint? | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | I've also asked ativelkov and his team to create a new spec for L | 14:15 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: I think we can discuss that on the spec | 14:16 |
| mfedosin | I just know who will be responsible for the client | 14:16 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: got it | 14:16 |
| nikhil_k | better to get wider audience and hopefully this time earlier in the cycle | 14:16 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 14:16 |
| ativelkov | mfedosin: for its development? I guess that will be us | 14:16 |
| flaper87 | so, re the client library, it'd be inconsistent to have the API in glance and the client library elsewhere. | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | (if I understood your question correctly) | 14:17 |
| ativelkov | flaper87: no, the library is definetly the same | 14:17 |
| mfedosin | ativelkov, yeah, sure :D | 14:17 |
| ativelkov | I mostly speak about CLI endpoint | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | There is the place where most (if not all) the comments/bugs on the reviews related to Artifacts are: | 14:17 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Artifacts_Reviews | 14:17 |
| flaper87 | ativelkov: ah sorry, mmh, I guess the endpoint could be different, OTOH | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov, mfedosin: please please please, try to not put all what you want to extend on those patches what you have out pending again ... lets try to get what you have ready into the state we can merge sooner the better before extending a lot ... I'd rather see experimental api in L1 than stable api day before FF | 14:18 |
| ativelkov | i.e. should that be "$ glance artifacts-list" or something else, like "glance-artifacts artifacts-list" | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: yeah, I think he means something along the lines of the novaclient (like the module based wrapper) | 14:18 |
| nikhil_k | Though, maintainability wise that sounds trixy | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | I'd personaly vote for `glance artifacts-list` for the sake of consistency | 14:19 |
| ativelkov | jokke_: I surely agree. I'd prefer to land the remaining two patches in L1 and then proceed with imporvements/new features/refactoring | 14:19 |
| ativelkov | and, well, less code lines per patch. The lesson is learned :) | 14:20 |
| ativelkov | thanks guys for all your patience in reading that tons of code | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: yes and preferably softer dependencies too | 14:20 |
| nikhil_k | (fewer unneeded rebases ie) | 14:21 |
| ativelkov | yup | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks! | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | So, we are out of the FFE period | 14:21 |
| ativelkov | well, once most of the base logic is in, we won't have so much dependencies | 14:21 |
| nikhil_k | sure | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | At this point, we are looking at only bugs that fit the RC criterion | 14:22 |
| nikhil_k | #topic RC1 blockers | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC1 blockers (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 14:22 | |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: do you have link to those criteria for refresher to everyone | 14:23 |
| nikhil_k | hmm, can't seem to find the link (if there is one) | 14:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | yeah hard criteria would be nice | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | Basically, we are frozen on all the changes related to features, docs, dependencies and such | 14:24 |
| nikhil_k | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 14:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | also we're still in string freeze, right? | 14:25 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: ok, mind to type few line summary what we're looking that can qualify on top of any critical/security bugs? | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | That has list of the freeze(s) | 14:25 |
| nikhil_k | Yeah, trying | 14:25 |
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| * flaper87 reads carefully | 14:25 | |
| nikhil_k | RC1 would allow more general bugs than other RCs | 14:26 |
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| TravT_ | The patch wokuma mentioned above is really important. Metadefs don't load correctly right now. Fresh devstack will yield 0 usable defintions out of box. | 14:26 |
| nikhil_k | So, anything that's breaking can be merged and if needed we are easier to get an exception (for docs, deps) | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | RC2 would be the period when we test out tarball rigorously and find stuff to fix | 14:27 |
| nikhil_k | RC3 is limited fixes only | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | sure ... and iiuc we can put easy fixes that might not be so critical as soon as something surfaces that mandates next RC anyways | 14:27 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: so rc1 will be out at 9th? | 14:28 |
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| nikhil_k | can you please elaborate on "that mandates next RC anyways" ? | 14:28 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: it's usually on Tuesdays (iirc) | 14:29 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: so when there comes critical bug that will push us to next RC anyways we can and should get other fixes in as well what we manage to fix while doing that one that will demand the next rc | 14:29 |
| nikhil_k | So, that if there has to be an execption and wait on gate it can be resolve in couple of days and we're packed by Friday | 14:29 |
| ativelkov | folks, what about fixes in python-glanceclient? Are they postponed now, as we are on dep-freeze and so new releases are not likely now? | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yes please | 14:30 |
| jokke_ | but we should not tag RC4 for fixing typos in docstrings :P | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | I don't think we get RC4 (at least not yet) | 14:30 |
| nikhil_k | at that time we are looking at backports | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | and have more restrictions | 14:31 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: we can fix bugs in client and make patch releases, but no new functionality until we can lock the stable client and start developing for Liberty | 14:31 |
| nikhil_k | what jokke_ said | 14:32 |
| ativelkov | got it | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks to sigmavirus24 : | 14:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | huh? what'd I do? | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | #info We've created more official tags at https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance | 14:32 |
| ativelkov | I am asking because of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168364/ as it fixes some cinder-related bug | 14:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | hah | 14:32 |
| nikhil_k | There are tags for artifacts, cis, cache etc now | 14:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: I thought I had workflow'd that | 14:33 |
| nikhil_k | I wanted to quickly go through the RC1 bugs so that people are aware (online now and otherwise) | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1417304 | 14:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1417304 in Glance "Upload/Import image continues consuming glance host cpu/memory/network/disk resources even after the image is deleted" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 14:34 |
| ativelkov | sigmavirus24: nope, there was just a +1 from you at one of the first PS. +2A will be appreciated ) | 14:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | So following ativelkov's review, quickly, it's introducing new behaviour, but the fact that it didn't exist before is a pretty bad bug | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | ah | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24 & nikhil_k: if there is some "more official" new tags, please update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bug_Tags#Glance accordingly | 14:34 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: cool, thanks for the pointer! | 14:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: will do | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: can we pleae come to it in the bugs topic? | 14:35 |
| nikhil_k | We're out of time for RC1 and had a security bug people might want to chime in on.. | 14:36 |
| * sigmavirus24 is quiet ; | 14:37 | |
| nikhil_k | Sorry about that, a bit caught up.. | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | bug/1417304 | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | We need a verdict on that whether we need it in kilo or not | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | nikhil_k: that one, I'll get back to it as promised last night | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | well, night for me | 14:37 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: and I had agreed yday that it can wait | 14:37 |
| flaper87 | I think we should change the milestone, I can do that after commenting | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | Everyone please leave you opinion if necessary | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: easy fix, we do not allow deleting image which is on saving status ... if one want's to delete image one should cancel the upload first ;) | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: Please do provide your insight there :) | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | will do :P | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1276694 | 14:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1276694 in neutron "Openstack services should support SIGHUP signal" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Elena Ezhova (eezhova) | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | That looks merged | 14:38 |
| nikhil_k | and I think we can mark it Committed | 14:39 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: do you have still something pending for that? | 14:39 |
| nikhil_k | The other three in open status are needed and blocking RC1 so please review them before others | 14:39 |
| mclaren | just the glance-control bit | 14:39 |
| ativelkov | jokke_: what happens if it is in SAVING due to a copy-from external source? Is there a way to cancel that? | 14:40 |
| mclaren | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130222/ | 14:40 |
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| nikhil_k | mclaren: Not sure if you got a chance to look at my email - I think we can do that bit in the kilo-potention as a different bug | 14:40 |
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| nikhil_k | Other bugs that have potential to go in Kilo are: | 14:40 |
| nikhil_k | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 14:40 |
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| jokke_ | ativelkov: I don't think we have abort for that currently, which is not that great loss as the copy-from is v1 functionality and tasks does support abort iiuc | 14:41 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: sigmavirus24 : Can we mark this with milestone https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1323660 | 14:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1323660 in Glance "Glance image properties not copied to cinder volume with glance V2 API" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Alexander Tivelkov (ativelkov) | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | ? | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | Hopefully it should merge smoohtly now that it has a +W | 14:41 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: and if you wanted to go ahead on that bug please do :) | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: btw thanks for finding the gate broker! All: could we please finally stop issuing requests to random domain brokers from our tests! | 14:42 |
| ativelkov | oh! What was the issue? I missed the solution, but the problem was really nasty | 14:42 |
| mclaren | ativelkov: hopefully this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169889/ | 14:43 |
| flaper87 | mclaren: ++ | 14:43 |
| mclaren | (I never actually reproduced a failure) | 14:43 |
| jokke_ | mclaren: me nor flaper87 either | 14:44 |
| ativelkov | oh my... | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | FWIW, I think the problem is weirder than that since the `get_size` catches the BadStoreUri error but still, it's being propagated | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | :/ | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | That's what had me stuck for a bit | 14:44 |
| flaper87 | anyway, mclaren's fix should be enough for our CI | 14:45 |
| nikhil_k | Ok, guys. Sorry about this, we are running out of time | 14:45 |
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| nikhil_k | If there are no more bugs to be discussed forkilo-potential can we please run for the next part? | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | Ok, in the interest of time crunch.. | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | (crunch..) | 14:46 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Summit planning | 14:46 |
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| nikhil_k | #info Slots: Fishbowl: 4, Work: 8, Sprint: 1 Halfday | 14:47 |
| * sigmavirus24 won't make it to the sprints | 14:47 | |
| nikhil_k | There was some discussion in the CPL meeting yday about this | 14:47 |
| ativelkov | what's the fishbowl? | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | and we'd added the discussion etherpads for the topics to | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | ativelkov: the normal room we've been using | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Planning | 14:47 |
| flaper87 | ativelkov: I mean, the sessions as we know them | 14:47 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-summit-topics <- That the Glance specific one | 14:48 |
| mfedosin | ativelkov, A fishbowl conversation is a form of dialog that can be used when discussing topics within large groups. | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | More info on the summit format (changes): | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://openstack.nimeyo.com/521/openstack-dev-vancouver-design-summit-format-changes?show=417 | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: ^ | 14:48 |
| nikhil_k | Ok, moving on to the next | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Stable branches | 14:49 |
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| ativelkov | git it, thanks | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | flaper87: sigmavirus24 and I had a chat yday about glance_store stable branch | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | seems like we don;t have one currently | 14:49 |
| nikhil_k | So, the plan was to point on the absolute necessary changes/commits to have after 0.3.0 for a stable branch for juno and kilo | 14:50 |
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| nikhil_k | We are trying to track that inofficially on | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | https://trello.com/b/GFXMXxsP/openstack-glance | 14:50 |
| nikhil_k | (Currently, there is nothing and soon to be added) | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | FWIW, there's a -1 on my patch already | 14:50 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169661/ | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | awesome | 14:51 |
| flaper87 | I'll get back to that soon | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | Client stable branch | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | We did not discuss one yet | 14:51 |
| nikhil_k | however, my opinion is (based on a quick browse) that we need the same approch here | 14:52 |
| jokke_ | yup | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | That was it from my side. | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | I will open up for pending / other discussions | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | re the stable branch | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | open up the topic | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | We were mostly waiting for the cross-project patch to land | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | :) | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | now that it's been merged | 14:52 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 14:52 |
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| mfedosin | folks, please, say your thoughts/opinions about db documentation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164432/ Because we are ready for the next commit :) | 14:52 |
| flaper87 | I think we can move forward to creating such branch | 14:53 |
| bpoulos | if we have a suggestion for a summit topic, should we discuss it here or go ahead and put it on the etherpad? | 14:54 |
| nikhil_k | bpoulos: yes please go ahead | 14:54 |
| jokke_ | I'd propose both glance_store and python_glanceclient "stable" branches to be named by the version we dedicate for stable backports for stable glance releases | 14:54 |
| bpoulos | we're working on a feature for image signing and encryption supported by glance | 14:54 |
| bpoulos | this would allow users to verify that their images had not been modified by verifying a signature before booting the image | 14:54 |
| bpoulos | we were wondering if it would be possible to discuss the feature at the summit | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: as in stable/juno ? or stable/0.3.0 ? | 14:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | bpoulos: interesting | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: stable/0.3 | 14:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | flaper87: the spec prescribes stable/juno kind of stuff iirc | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | bpoulos: I'd love to hear more! FWIW, flwang once looked into this, you might want to ping him and see where he was at | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | flaper87: and for example 0.3.1 would be just tag on that branch | 14:55 |
| flaper87 | jokke_: what sigmavirus24 said | 14:55 |
| bpoulos | flaper87: ok, thanks | 14:56 |
| ativelkov | bpoulos: that's sounds interesting. We have planned similar for artifacts, so it definetely worths discussing more | 14:56 |
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| jokke_ | bpoulos: feel free to propose into https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-summit-topics | 14:56 |
| bpoulos | jokke: alright, i'll add it there | 14:57 |
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| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: i think the biggest problem with using the release names in the libs is that because we do not follow same schedule it can become really messy and confusing quickly, thus I'd prefer using the stable version on the branch name | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | +1 on jokke_ 's idea | 14:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: that probably would have been better raised during the discussion of the cross-project spec. I personally agree | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | as the requirements refers to the version number as well | 14:58 |
| nikhil_k | bpoulos: +1 on your proposal | 14:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | (personally agree with you jokke_ ) | 14:59 |
| mclaren | we should try to make sure everyone does it the same way if possible | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | but in the stable branch we would still have the version in the setup.cfg | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | right ? | 14:59 |
| bpoulos | nikhil_k: thanks | 14:59 |
| * flaper87 agrees with jokke_ | 14:59 | |
| flaper87 | I think we should bring that up to a broader audience | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | since consistency throughout projects might be important here | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | ok time's up and I have next meeting to jump into | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | thanks all | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 15:00 |
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| ativelkov | thanks guys, have a good day | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 15:00:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
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| mclaren | thanks | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-04-02-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-04-02-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-04-02-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| cloudnull | hey guys . | 16:01 |
| d34dh0r53 | \0/ | 16:01 |
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| alextricity | Hello! | 16:01 |
| cloudnull | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 16:02:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cloudnull. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:02 |
| cloudnull | #topic Agenda & rollcall | 16:02 |
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| cloudnull | so who is all here :) | 16:02 |
| alextricity | Here | 16:02 |
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| rromans | o/ | 16:03 |
| d34dh0r53 | pre sent | 16:03 |
| * cloudnull presente | 16:03 | |
| rackertom | o/ | 16:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hi | 16:03 |
| stevelle | o/ | 16:03 |
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| cloudnull | #topic action items from last week | 16:05 |
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| d34dh0r53 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:05 |
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| cloudnull | the one from odyssey4me was dropped | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | #item hughsaunders convert that to a spec and resubmit it for approval | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | ^ hughsaunders what say you? - I suspect that this was the bp you created. IE https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/manage-resolv-conf | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/manage-resolv-conf | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | welp nevermind , it looks like the bp/spec was abandoned. | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168074/ | 16:08 |
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| cloudnull | i closed that BP and marked it Obsolete. | 16:09 |
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| cloudnull | #topic Blueprints | 16:09 |
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| cloudnull | alextricity: being that you're the only one on the agenda can you start off talking about the BP/Spec | 16:09 |
| alextricity | Sure. | 16:09 |
| alextricity | The goal is to create discussion around how we can implement ceilo into OSAD | 16:10 |
| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169417/ | 16:10 |
| alextricity | cloudnull already have sat down and started talking about the initial setup | 16:10 |
| alextricity | e.g. changes to the openstack_environment.yml, new containers, etc | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | yes. | 16:11 |
| alextricity | The code is up on the whiteboard | 16:11 |
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| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169417/2/specs/kilo/implement-ceilometer | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/17/169417/3/check/gate-os-ansible-deployment-specs-docs/f5eda8a//doc/build/html/specs/kilo/implement-ceilometer.html | 16:12 |
| alextricity | Right now I am brainstorming ways we can effeciently deploy ceilometer, with mongodb database backend. | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | so my one question here is how do we test it. ^ | 16:12 |
| alextricity | efficiently* | 16:12 |
| alextricity | I was thinking about creating a small play to deploy a basic mongodb server | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | do we develop an in repo method to deploy mongo, similar to how we are doing mariadb/Galera ? | 16:13 |
| alextricity | But i'm open to suggestions, as always ;) | 16:13 |
| alextricity | Hmmm..I don't know about that cloudnull | 16:13 |
| andymccr | maybe there are upstream mongo roles? | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | or do we make just enough to get it to work? | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | if there are upstream mongo roles we can pull them in using masters structure to pull in external roles. | 16:14 |
| andymccr | yeh that'd be ideal | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | #link https://github.com/stackforge/os-ansible-deployment/blob/master/ansible-role-requirements.yml.example | 16:14 |
| d34dh0r53 | +1 to that, implementing and managing a mongo role is not something we should be doing IMHO | 16:14 |
| alextricity | re: upstream roles: definitely. I don't know if you guys are comfortable with have in-repo method for deploying mongodb | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | im comfortable with it. we're doing it with maria and rabbit | 16:15 |
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| alextricity | I'm leaning towards that idea as well d34dh0r53 | 16:15 |
| alextricity | I think we should just do enough to make it work for now | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | mongo is used through the OpenStack. even if i dont like it | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | *throughout | 16:16 |
| andymccr | yeh if its not there, and we need ceilometer | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | to me, if the upstream roles will accept patches to make them better fit our needs, then yeah | 16:16 |
| andymccr | then we should look into it. | 16:16 |
| alextricity | Who knows, ceilometer is expected to up their game in Kilo. With Gnocchi, mysql could be a viable solution. | 16:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | otherwise, for a short term fix we may have to carry our own | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | does ceilometer not work with mysql? | 16:16 |
| cloudnull | well other services like zaqar are using mongo too | 16:17 |
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| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am it works, kinda | 16:17 |
| andymccr | it works functionally | 16:17 |
| alextricity | lol | 16:17 |
| cloudnull | so we will eventually need something that implements mongo. | 16:17 |
| stevelle | cloudnull: Sam-I-Am I recall mention of 'don't ever use it in production with SQL backend' | 16:17 |
| cloudnull | if we can leverage upstream lets do that | 16:17 |
| d34dh0r53 | just afraid our mongo role and the project as a whole will take the blame when ceilometer... | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | alextricity could you do a bit of research on what upstream roles are available. and how we can leverage tehm ? | 16:18 |
| alextricity | cloudnull. Of course. | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | d34dh0r53 this is fair. | 16:18 |
| alextricity | I'll keep adding to the blueprint as I gather more info and get further along in implementing the plays | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | but ceilometer is a OpenStack namespaced service and we should aim to support deploying all the OpenStack services we can. | 16:19 |
| d34dh0r53 | cloudnull: 100% agree with that | 16:19 |
| andymccr | true - and really if support is added and nobody uses it then its likely it wont be amazing, but then nobody is using it | 16:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | stevelle: 'dont ever use it in production' ? | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | this is true. | 16:19 |
| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am: see ceilometer | 16:20 |
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| cloudnull | :) | 16:20 |
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| alextricity | What do you guys think about having the separate db backend? | 16:20 |
| d34dh0r53 | pretty sure that is the 2nd definition of ceilometer | 16:20 |
| alextricity | lol | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | alextricity "separate db backend?" ? | 16:20 |
| andymccr | alextricity: i think if sql is not a viable option we dont have a choice so much :D | 16:20 |
| andymccr | unless we want to port everything else to use mongo... | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | andymccr for web scale | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | :p | 16:21 |
| andymccr | how about we just plug it into objectrocket | 16:21 |
| andymccr | like cloudfiles for glance :D | 16:21 |
| alextricity | cloudnull: If ceilometer is deployed, you'll have the sql db and mongodb for ceilo | 16:21 |
| stevelle | community, andymccr :) | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | certainly . i like the idea of having ceilometer only need a connection string | 16:21 |
| palendae | andymccr: That config will be in rpc-extras ;) | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | which is what we are doing in other services. | 16:22 |
| palendae | Yeah, if we can get it to just needing a connection string, then awesome | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | but we need a way to test it. which leads to having something that deploys mongo | 16:22 |
| palendae | Yeah | 16:22 |
| alextricity | Right | 16:22 |
| d34dh0r53 | unless we test it with objectrocket :p | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | we could do that but that would have to be an external ci test | 16:22 |
| palendae | Is that necessarily bad? I'm not aware of the implications around that | 16:23 |
| alextricity | I'm okay with having something that deploys mongo | 16:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | has anyone looked at the improvements for kilo? | 16:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent even installed it yet | 16:23 |
| cloudnull | me too. and if upstream can do that for us. i think we should look at that. | 16:23 |
| palendae | The ceilometer ones? no | 16:23 |
| stevelle | from hard experience, tuning mongodb in replication is going to require a strategy for where to put the arbiter | 16:23 |
| stevelle | alextricity: ^ | 16:23 |
| d34dh0r53 | Sam-I-Am: I can't until I have docs | 16:23 |
| alextricity | Sam-I-Am: I have. Like I said they are expected to beef up their game. I still have to do more research, however. | 16:24 |
| palendae | stevelle: I wonder if our support shouldn't only go so far as using it for testing | 16:24 |
| palendae | And deployers are responsible for Mongo | 16:24 |
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| palendae | That would be in line with our usage of HAProxy/load balancers | 16:24 |
| d34dh0r53 | palendae: which is slowly becoming a thing, not something I want our mongo play to become | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | palendae that might be fine initially, but with everything else we have, we're targeting production (except HAProxy). | 16:25 |
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| cloudnull | yet | 16:25 |
| palendae | cloudnull: yeah, true. I wouldn't fight that super hard, because you're right - we manage everything else now | 16:25 |
| stevelle | palendae: with redundant infra nodes, we would by default have too many arbiters | 16:25 |
| palendae | stevelle: I was thinking just for AIOs/gating | 16:26 |
| stevelle | it is still a design challenge | 16:26 |
| palendae | But might as well use reference architecture | 16:26 |
| palendae | Fair enough. I don't know enough about Mongo to speak knowledgeably, so I'll pipe down :) | 16:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | stevelle: i thought mongo was smart enough not to need redundancy :) | 16:26 |
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| d34dh0r53 | lol | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am see web scale. | 16:26 |
| d34dh0r53 | hahaha | 16:26 |
| palendae | I thought we were targeting cloud scale | 16:27 |
| palendae | Web scale's not good enough | 16:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | space, the final scale. | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs | 16:27 |
| palendae | cloudnull: Hahaha | 16:27 |
| stevelle | too soon. | 16:27 |
| stevelle | my wounds have not healed | 16:27 |
| andymccr | valid question tbh | 16:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | they never really heal | 16:28 |
| palendae | Right, stevelle is the Mongo SME | 16:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | the scabs just keep coming off | 16:28 |
| alextricity | lol | 16:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | stevelle: sounds like you've volunteered yourself | 16:28 |
| sdake | cloudnull epic video have seen it before ;) | 16:28 |
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| cloudnull | ok so, alextricity: more research on how we deploy mongo. stevelle can you sync up with alextricity on some of your mongo SME-ness? | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | sdake ikr?! :) | 16:29 |
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| stevelle | alextricity: you know where to find me online? | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | and with that update the spec for further review | 16:29 |
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| alextricity | Unfortunately I don't know enough about Mongodb to say how all of that is handled. So if we are going to go the route of deploying mongo as part of the plays..it's going to be challeging | 16:30 |
| alextricity | stevelle, no | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | alextricity: #openstack-meeting-4 | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | * #openstack-ansible | 16:30 |
| alextricity | lol | 16:30 |
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| sigmavirus24 | (tab complete fail, I swear) | 16:30 |
| palendae | sigmavirus2: that never happens | 16:31 |
| alextricity | Sounds good, we'll definitely sync up | 16:31 |
| alextricity | Thanks | 16:31 |
| Bjoern__ | I think mongo is a good choice for ceilomter, especially when it comes down to expiring objects (built in). SQL DBs are usually killed with ceilometer | 16:31 |
| Bjoern__ | also it's just ceilometer | 16:31 |
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| sigmavirus24 | palenda: I don't know what you mean | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | so next BP: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169189/ | 16:32 |
| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169189/ | 16:32 |
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| cloudnull | which is related to bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/dynamically-manage-policy.json | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | while one is for policy.json and the other is for config files i think there's a lot of overlap | 16:33 |
| palendae | Yeah - I think merging those would be good | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | me too. | 16:34 |
| stevelle | I was of the opinion that treating json as json would be easier | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | im violently opposed to hash merging. but if the concept / idea wins out among cores then i say we execute on it. | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | however the bp that Daniel Curran put through and the pseudo code Sudarshan Acharya is working on creates a module which should allow us to add in extra config without having to do hash merging | 16:36 |
| andymccr | cloudnull: do we have another solution? cos i kinda agree with you. | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168104/ | 16:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | the spec for neutron plays looks... interesting | 16:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | "have fun" | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | andymccr it presently works only with policy files. | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | but extending to config using the ConfigParse std lib in Py2.7 should make that go. | 16:37 |
| andymccr | hmm - i quite like that idea | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | alextricity where's suda ? | 16:38 |
| alextricity | I don't think he knows about these meetings | 16:38 |
| alextricity | want me to get him in here | 16:38 |
| alextricity | ? | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | throw something at him :) | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | andymccr you mind reviewing that module to make sure its not bat shit crazy ? | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | i like it, i had some inline comments. but i like the concept. | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | and with a bit of clean up i think it could be awesome. | 16:39 |
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| cloudnull | sacharya: the man the myth the legend. | 16:39 |
| sacharya | haha | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | oh look b3rnard0 thanks for showing up .... | 16:40 |
| b3rnard0 | oh hai | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | sacharya we made some inline comments on your module. | 16:40 |
| sacharya | saw that… I am fixing those… i was out the last couple of days! | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | also we've moved all the things to specs. can you re-pull the bp against our specs repo so that we can get some more review on it. | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | time off sacharya ? UNpossible ! | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | no worries. :) | 16:41 |
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| alextricity | brb | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | sacharya: IE https://github.com/stackforge/os-ansible-deployment-specs | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | pulling into https://github.com/stackforge/os-ansible-deployment-specs/tree/master/specs/kilo would be ideal . | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | Next: bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169189/ | 16:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, this one :) | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | Cores this is a bp targeted 10.x and not master at this time. we know that its a feature add in the rax technical debt branch, but could/should be extendable to master without a lot of work depending on the implementation. | 16:44 |
| cloudnull | i think we can work with Javeria Khan to make that go. | 16:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | are we still adding features to 10? | 16:46 |
| palendae | Yeah, I think so too | 16:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | something that might require architectural changes | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | as, by reading the spec, it seems that he has already done most of the work. | 16:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | e.g., how we're doing the lxc/bridge stuff | 16:46 |
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| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am: i dont think so . but we're eventually going to have to re-approach OVS. | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | which will require some of those types of changes. | 16:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | if any of these plugins/agents use something outside of linuxbridge | 16:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | we discussed some of the interesting ovs bits for metal hosts | 16:48 |
| palendae | I think Javiera's intent was to bring in plumgrid support | 16:48 |
| palendae | But that was split into 2 phases - making ml2 replaceable was the first step | 16:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | which i think uses linuxbridge | 16:48 |
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| cloudnull | palendae i think so it seems that using a different neutron plugin makes that more approachable. | 16:49 |
| palendae | cloudnull: If I remember correctly, Javiera was saying plumgrid doesn't support ml2 | 16:50 |
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| cloudnull | Sam-I-Am with the addition of the provider_networks ansible module the data structures in master should be far more malleable. | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | #link https://github.com/stackforge/os-ansible-deployment/blob/master/playbooks/library/provider_networks | 16:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: this is true | 16:51 |
| cloudnull | Which came about to help with your OVS tragedy you were working on . | 16:51 |
| cloudnull | :) | 16:51 |
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| stevelle | we are nearly out of time here | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | so getting a few more reviews on that spec would be great. | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | we are. so lets open up to general discussion . | 16:52 |
| cloudnull | #topic Open discussion | 16:52 |
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| cloudnull | begin the festivus | 16:53 |
| d34dh0r53 | I've got a lot of problems with you people | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | :D | 16:53 |
| d34dh0r53 | :) | 16:53 |
| stevelle | I know there are multiple reviews open for moving master to kilo. I wanted to raise osprofiler as a topic | 16:53 |
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| * cloudnull hands mic to stevelle | 16:53 | |
| d34dh0r53 | go | 16:53 |
| stevelle | I feel we should configure the same way, and we had three slightly different ways between heat, glance, and cinder | 16:54 |
| stevelle | it's pretty clear that profiling should be off, but git-harry rightly raised the point that having the middleware in place would be good | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | i think we should, in config, set it off. we expose vars to enable it. | 16:55 |
| cloudnull | by default i think that it should be functional in paste. | 16:56 |
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| stevelle | from there it's less clear. Is the middleware always enabled or configurable? It looks like we all made our own HMAC secret per-service | 16:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | Point of order: We all recognize that without ceilometer having osprofiler configurable to be on by default is kind of ... pointless, right? | 16:56 |
| stevelle | sigmavirus24: agreed. The initial glance bp and work all excluded osprofiler. | 16:56 |
| cloudnull | sigmavirus24: unless there is somethine else, outside of our deployment scope that is consuming those messages. | 16:57 |
| andymccr | having it configurable but off by default seems sensible to me. | 16:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | cloudnull: pretty sure osprofiler only emits things for ceilometer and I've heard 0 about it being used by anything else (I've looked a lot) | 16:57 |
| stevelle | so each service has it's own hmac, and the middleware is on then? | 16:57 |
| * sigmavirus24 is just making sure everyone is aware | 16:57 | |
| cloudnull | sure. | 16:58 |
| cloudnull | well that ties back to alextricity and getting ceilometer as a supportable service . | 16:58 |
| alextricity | Yeah :/ | 16:58 |
| stevelle | lets just try to make sure all the services apply the same style to osprofiler config | 16:58 |
| cloudnull | if he does that, and we have the profiler options, then i think we should be good . right? | 16:59 |
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| andymccr | consistency would be good. | 16:59 |
| cloudnull | +1 for consistency | 16:59 |
| d34dh0r53 | yes | 16:59 |
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| cloudnull | ok we're out of time. lets continue this convo in the channel or on the ML. | 16:59 |
| d34dh0r53 | thanks all | 16:59 |
| cloudnull | thanks everyone. | 17:00 |
| cloudnull | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 17:00:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-04-02-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-04-02-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-04-02-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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