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| krtaylor | #startmeeting third-party | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 15:01:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:01 |
| patrickeast | hi | 15:01 |
| krtaylor | who's here for third party ci working group meeting? | 15:01 |
| krtaylor | hi patrickeast | 15:01 |
| * ctlaugh is here | 15:01 | |
| sweston | o/ | 15:01 |
| krtaylor | hi sweston | 15:01 |
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| krtaylor | hi ctlaugh | 15:01 |
| zz_ja| | arwe here | 15:02 |
| krtaylor | hi zz_ja| | 15:02 |
| mmedvede | hi | 15:02 |
| krtaylor | hey mmedvede | 15:02 |
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| krtaylor | how is everyone, hopefully there were not too many pranks played on you today | 15:02 |
| ctlaugh | not yet | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | here is the agenda | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#4.2F1.2F15_1500_UTC | 15:03 |
| krtaylor | #topic Topics for discussion at Liberty summit in Vancouver | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics for discussion at Liberty summit in Vancouver (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:04 | |
| krtaylor | I created an etherpad for everyone to put their topic ideas | 15:04 |
| krtaylor | if you put an idea there, please put your nick next to it | 15:05 |
| krtaylor | like last time, we'll prioritize and select a few things to discuss | 15:05 |
| zz_ja| | krtaylor, what does this mean: With functional testing moving back to the projects, what does this mean for third party CI? | 15:05 |
| krtaylor | #action krtaylor will see about getting a design session for TPCIWG discussion | 15:05 |
| zz_ja| | might be that I've seen this using different keywords and just don't recognize it | 15:06 |
| krtaylor | zz_ja|, thats a question about what CI will be required to test since test suite is shrinking | 15:07 |
| asselin | hi | 15:07 |
| krtaylor | it may be nothing, just wanted to see if we need to work with the projects to figure that out | 15:07 |
| krtaylor | hi asselin | 15:07 |
| zz_ja| | you mean b/c "tempest" tests are moving to "nova-tempest" and such? | 15:07 |
| krtaylor | that is certainly a lower priority topic, not sure we need to discuss that at summit, but put it there to keep it | 15:08 |
| zz_ja| | I took those threads to mean just a change of repo, rather than what tests would have to run | 15:08 |
| krtaylor | yes, functional tests are being removed back to the projects, not in tests run per patch, or required to test per patch anyway | 15:09 |
| krtaylor | it may be that we just run a weekly periodic, but may not even be required at all | 15:09 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-third-party-ci-working-group | 15:10 |
| krtaylor | for completeness | 15:10 |
| zz_ja| | I guess I assumed that nova would say "every patch must run nova-tempest" and so on | 15:10 |
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| krtaylor | I'm not sure we can assume that is a requirement | 15:11 |
| krtaylor | anyway, we can discuss that with the projects, it may be discussed in a QA session, so we may not need to worry about it in a TPCIWG session | 15:12 |
| krtaylor | any questions about adding session topics to the etherpad? | 15:12 |
| krtaylor | #topic In-tree 3rd party ci solution (downstream-puppet) | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In-tree 3rd party ci solution (downstream-puppet) (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:12 | |
| krtaylor | lots of patches, this is moving nicely! | 15:13 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:downstream-puppet,n,z | 15:13 |
| asselin | yes, I'd like to get some reviews on the log server patches | 15:13 |
| krtaylor | sure asselin, link? | 15:13 |
| asselin | there were quite a few ppl interested to participate in the effort: Please take a look as I'd like this to be the 'model' to help do the others | 15:14 |
| asselin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:downstream-puppet+owner:%22Ramy+Asselin+%253Cramy.asselin%2540hp.com%253E%22+status:open,n,z | 15:14 |
| ctlaugh | could I get a brief description of what this is? | 15:14 |
| sweston | asselin: +1 | 15:14 |
| asselin | ctlaugh, the log server? | 15:14 |
| krtaylor | or the effort overall? | 15:15 |
| ctlaugh | sorry, downstream-puppet | 15:15 |
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| asselin | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/openstackci.html | 15:16 |
| asselin | ctlaugh, ^^ | 15:16 |
| ctlaugh | thank you | 15:16 |
| asselin | idea is to get scripts reusable by all. eventually get a 'common' ci solution | 15:17 |
| ctlaugh | I love that idea | 15:17 |
| asselin | ctlaugh, great! :) | 15:17 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 15:18 |
| krtaylor | it will be great going forward, unify the work | 15:18 |
| krtaylor | asselin, thanks again for all your leadership in this effort | 15:18 |
| ctlaugh | One of my biggest concerns setting our system up (using an external repo such as asselin's) is that changes upstream do not comprehend any of the downstream systems that are using it. | 15:18 |
| zz_ja| | we will be jumping on this the instant we have our "hw" procured | 15:19 |
| krtaylor | yes, exactly, or how they will potentially be impacted | 15:19 |
| krtaylor | ok, any other questions on the downstream-puppet work? | 15:20 |
| krtaylor | #topic Repo for third party tools | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Repo for third party tools (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:20 | |
| asselin | yes. please review, download patches and try them out. See if they would work in 'your' environment. | 15:20 |
| krtaylor | internally, I was trying to get permission to add our tools to the index via our personal github accounts, but that is going to be too painful | 15:21 |
| krtaylor | so I am going to start up the process for creating a stackforge repo for us to share configs, tools, things we need to share for TPCIWG, to help each other | 15:22 |
| krtaylor | I was hoping to have the bandwidth by now, silly day job... | 15:22 |
| krtaylor | but we do have the TPCIWG wiki index, if anyone wants to add to it for now | 15:23 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartyCIWorkingGroup#Third_Party_CI_System_Tools_Index | 15:23 |
| krtaylor | ok, probably not much to discuss there, any questions? | 15:24 |
| krtaylor | #topic monitoring dashboard | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "monitoring dashboard (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:24 | |
| krtaylor | great progress here, thanks for the re-write sweston! | 15:25 |
| asselin | +1 | 15:25 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170/ | 15:25 |
| sweston | you bet ... just need to respond to jhesketh's comments, and this might merge soon ;-) | 15:25 |
| patrickeast | definitely good progress, i really like the updates | 15:25 |
| sweston | patrickeast: thanks | 15:25 |
| krtaylor | yes, but even with thoses, he supported it as is | 15:26 |
| sweston | krtaylor, asselin: thanks for your help as well | 15:26 |
| krtaylor | no porblem, thanks sweston for putting it on a diet and getting it rolling again | 15:26 |
| sweston | krtaylor: you're welcome | 15:27 |
| krtaylor | ok, so any questions for the monitoring dashboard effort? | 15:28 |
| krtaylor | alright, on to my favorite part of the meeting | 15:29 |
| krtaylor | #topic Highlighting Third-Party CI Service | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Highlighting Third-Party CI Service (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:29 | |
| krtaylor | today we have ctlaugh presenting on Linaro CI system for ARM testing | 15:29 |
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| krtaylor | ctlaugh, the floor is yours | 15:30 |
| ctlaugh | thank you | 15:30 |
| ctlaugh | I am working with Linaro to setup a 3rd-party CI system to test Openstack on arm64. Our intent is to ultimately just run as much of Tempest as we reasonably can, given the compute resources that we have available to scale with. Currently, I am triggering off of changes to openstack/nova and openstack-dev/devstack. | 15:30 |
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| ctlaugh | The hardware we are using is an HP Moonshot enclosure filled with a combination of HP Proliant m300 (amd64) nodes (about 15) and HP Proliant m400 (arm64) nodes (about 20). | 15:30 |
| ctlaugh | I am using asselin’s os-ext-testing fork on github to deploy the setup. | 15:30 |
| ctlaugh | The Openstack cloud we are using is deployed using Juju mainly on the amd64 nodes, with the compute nodes deployed on the arm64 nodes. | 15:31 |
| ctlaugh | The various Openstack CI components are also all deployed on amd64 nodes. | 15:31 |
| ctlaugh | I started out by first setting up the entire system all on amd64 nodes in order to make sure everything was setup and working properly. | 15:31 |
| ctlaugh | After a lot of help from asselin, a few patches to his fork, and a bit of tweaking, everything seemed to be running ok for a start. The main problem I kept experiencing was Jenkins failures: about 30-40% of the time, Jenkins would throw an exception and fail the test saying it lost connectivity with a slave. | 15:31 |
| * sweston does not want to see ctlaugh's power bill | 15:31 | |
| ctlaugh | he he | 15:32 |
| krtaylor | ctlaugh, are you initially focused on running against nova patches | 15:32 |
| ctlaugh | Yes - for now | 15:32 |
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| ctlaugh | We aren't entirely sure what the best thing will be to trigger off of long-term, since we aren't necessarily focused on testing a specific project. | 15:32 |
| ctlaugh | Nova is probably the one single project we are most interested in (for now), but we also want to be able to demonstrate that everything runs on arm64. | 15:33 |
| sweston | ctlaugh: are you using single use slaves? this was an issue I had when I was starting out with CI .. cruft from previous runs was causing instability | 15:33 |
| krtaylor | ctlaugh, we are in a similar situation for PowerKVM, since we are re-using the existing libvirt driver | 15:33 |
| ctlaugh | sweston: yes, using single-use slaves | 15:34 |
| ctlaugh | krtaylor: right now, we are focused on KVM + libvirt, but in time, we might also be interested in Xen on arm64 as well. There is a concern that it will become unsupported by Openstack since no one is testing it. | 15:35 |
| asselin | ctlaugh, currently i'm experimenting with disabling c-states in the bios & power management. seems to be helping so far. | 15:35 |
| ctlaugh | asselin: helping with what? | 15:35 |
| krtaylor | ctlaugh, yes, we have a different need to show openstack works on our platform instead of just testing a single driver as most third party ci is focused on | 15:35 |
| asselin | ctlaugh, running jenkins slaves | 15:36 |
| * asselin looks up link | 15:36 | |
| ctlaugh | asselin: ah -- interesting | 15:36 |
| asselin | #link http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX127395 | 15:36 |
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| asselin | got my ideas from this ^^, although we have different HW, etc. | 15:37 |
| ctlaugh | Right now, I am now in the process of replacing the amd64 compute nodes I have been testing with far far, and switching to arm64 compute nodes. I am currently working on the nodepool scripts to get them to deploy on arm64 correctly, and that is probably what will require the most changes to get right. | 15:37 |
| ctlaugh | I have already submitted a change to openstack-infra/puppet-jenkins in order to correct the JDK deployment to not be amd64-specific. It is currently awaiting review. | 15:38 |
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| ctlaugh | I have also identified (I think) a few changes that need to be made to openstack-infra/system-config and openstack-infra/project-config that are also needed (related to how puppet gets installed), though I am still doing some testing. | 15:38 |
| ctlaugh | I don’t know yet if that’s all that is going to be required, or if I will run into other problems once I try to run on arm64. | 15:38 |
| krtaylor | ctlaugh, link? I'll review | 15:38 |
| ctlaugh | A big concern is with Jenkins - whether the problems I was seeing there will be about the same as before, or be worse. | 15:38 |
| * ctlaugh is looking... | 15:39 | |
| ctlaugh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168222/ | 15:39 |
| krtaylor | perfect, tnaks | 15:40 |
| ctlaugh | So that's about it... | 15:40 |
| krtaylor | thanks too | 15:40 |
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| ctlaugh | Any other questions (or suggestions)? | 15:40 |
| krtaylor | ctlaugh, so any ideas on the 30-40% failures, lost connection problems | 15:41 |
| ctlaugh | krtaylor: not yet. At one point, I thought it might have been related to how much load each of the nodes was under. It _seemed_ to get worse the more VMs I had running on a single nova-compute node. | 15:42 |
| asselin | ctlaugh, in my case I was looking at the nova console.log files for the jenkins slave which led my to that article about adjusting power states | 15:42 |
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| ctlaugh | The amd64 nodes I have are not that great -- the processors are actually atom-based. | 15:42 |
| krtaylor | ctlaugh, are they the same failures each time, or transient? | 15:43 |
| ctlaugh | When it fails, it's the same each time. I'll post a link to the failure as soon as I find an example. | 15:43 |
| ctlaugh | My hope is that when I start using the more capable arm64 nodes, I'll have less failures. | 15:44 |
| ctlaugh | I don't have a convenient way to grab the error text at the moment. | 15:45 |
| krtaylor | ctlaugh, we had increase in stability and test execution (reducing skips) by reducing IO blocks | 15:45 |
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| krtaylor | mmedvede on my team has been driving that effort for us, may be a good contact for you | 15:46 |
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| ctlaugh | great - thank you | 15:46 |
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| mmedvede | ctlaugh: I can look at errors/logs if you'd like | 15:47 |
| krtaylor | ctlaugh, any tools you use in your environment that really help you? | 15:48 |
| krtaylor | ctlaugh, anything you came up with that may help others? | 15:48 |
| ctlaugh | krtaylor: not really anything extra. I use MAAS and Juju to manage deployment of all of the hardware, mainly because that's the easiest way to do it. | 15:48 |
| ctlaugh | Otherwise, so far it's just the bits deployed by asselin's scripts. | 15:49 |
| ctlaugh | If Jenkins doesn't work out, that might change and I may have a replacement to share with others :) | 15:49 |
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| krtaylor | ctlaugh, ok, thanks, thats good to know, feel free to add anything you come up with to the tools index | 15:50 |
| ctlaugh | ok, I will | 15:51 |
| krtaylor | asselin, one more successful deployment from your repo :) | 15:51 |
| asselin | great! :) | 15:51 |
| asselin | ctlaugh, thanks for the pr's | 15:52 |
| krtaylor | ok, so any other questions for ctlaugh about his ARM64 test environment? | 15:52 |
| krtaylor | ctlaugh, thanks for coming and talking about your environment, it's really good to get to know more about other's systems | 15:53 |
| asselin | ctlaugh, thanks for sharing | 15:53 |
| ctlaugh | you're welcome -- it was a pleasure | 15:54 |
| krtaylor | ok, then | 15:54 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 15:54 |
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| krtaylor | anything anyone wants to discuss? | 15:54 |
| * krtaylor notes it is rare that we have time to get to Open Discussion | 15:55 | |
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| krtaylor | ok, well if nothing else, then I'll wrap this up | 15:57 |
| krtaylor | don't forget to add your summit topics to the etherpad | 15:57 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone, thanks ctlaugh, another great meeting! | 15:58 |
| sweston | thanks, krtaylor | 15:58 |
| asselin | thanks | 15:58 |
| ctlaugh | thank you, everyone | 15:58 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 15:59:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-01-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-01-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-01-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:59 |
| Nikolay_St | o/ | 19:59 |
| Rockyg | gonna wait a few minutes to see if anyone else turns up | 20:01 |
| ekudryashova | Hi! | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | still didn't get the spec in. Too busy here at my day job | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | Welcome!!!!! | 20:01 |
| Nikolay_St | oh, new face :) | 20:02 |
| Nikolay_St | welcome | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | OK. I guess we might at well start, then | 20:02 |
| Rockyg | #startmeeting log_wg | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 1 20:03:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: log_wg)" | 20:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'log_wg' | 20:03 |
| bknudson | hi | 20:03 |
| Nikolay_St | o/ | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | Hey there. We have a new attendee...ekudryashova | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | I believe she started the API error codes debate on the ML | 20:04 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 20:04 |
| Rockyg | Yay, jokke_ ! | 20:04 |
| Rockyg | So, old business | 20:04 |
| jokke_ | "It's alive!" :P | 20:04 |
| Rockyg | #topic old business | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "old business (Meeting topic: log_wg)" | 20:04 | |
| Rockyg | I got swamped at work and haven't gotten the spec in. jokke_: if I email it to you, can you push it to git review? I haen't had time to get that working on the new 'puter | 20:05 |
| Rockyg | It's not as complete as I'd like it, but getting it out there with comments is more important as the meat is all there | 20:06 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: sure, I'll try to find time for that | 20:06 |
| ekudryashova | Yes, I'm interesting in error-codes direction. Also while we have freeze and all of thoose things I'll be glad to help with improving log consistency. If you have some "todo" lists for this please share with me | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | jokke_: Thanks. Should just be the add to cloned repository and git review | 20:07 |
| Rockyg | ekudryashova: Reviewing the spec will go a long way. We also are looking to get some other focused specs out there. | 20:08 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: cool, sure | 20:08 |
| jokke_ | ekudryashova: good to see you here. Maybe we get that one finally moving as well | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | Any other old business? | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | OK. New business | 20:10 |
| Rockyg | #topic API logging spec available | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API logging spec available (Meeting topic: log_wg)" | 20:10 | |
| Rockyg | Everett Toews just pushed out a spec and we need to jump on it. | 20:10 |
| jokke_ | do we have a link? | 20:11 |
| Rockyg | #link https://review.openstack.org/167793 | 20:11 |
| Rockyg | "A guideline for errors" | 20:12 |
| bknudson | clippy go away | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | This is for format in the message body, the "payload" | 20:12 |
| Nikolay_St | I've taken a look at it. Looks good at first glance | 20:13 |
| bknudson | hopefully all the projects can use this and have a consistent error document... | 20:13 |
| jokke_ | I'll review that after this meeting | 20:13 |
| Rockyg | bknudson: how come I get clippy, too? | 20:14 |
| bknudson | clients need to understand it, too. | 20:14 |
| bknudson | and CLI | 20:14 |
| Rockyg | I think devs and ops do, too ;-) | 20:14 |
| jokke_ | 4/1/15 :) | 20:14 |
| bknudson | there's a couple of reasons that the error doc from keystone is generally useless -- | 20:15 |
| Rockyg | This proposal is for all APIs across OpenStack willing to play nice and head towards consistency | 20:15 |
| bknudson | 1) don't want to give away info | 20:15 |
| bknudson | 2) poor code design so we don't always have the right error | 20:15 |
| bknudson | errors in keystone are generally pretty basic, though... user didn't exist or whatever. | 20:15 |
| bknudson | I like that it's a list of errors since if you're doing input validation there can be multiple errors | 20:16 |
| bknudson | although we'd need to enhance input validation to get a list of problems rather than just a generic 400 error. | 20:16 |
| Rockyg | bknudson: ++ | 20:17 |
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| Nikolay_St | bknudson: you're right | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | So, everyone, please review and *comment* Once you comment, you'll get notification of all comments and changes | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | We can discuss progress at next meeting, or add to the ml thread | 20:18 |
| Rockyg | And we need to advertise to ops ml once we think it's ready for their input | 20:18 |
| Rockyg | anything else on this? | 20:19 |
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| jokke_ | could someone decode that spec for me and tell what the heck is proposed? | 20:20 |
| bknudson | it's the document that gets returned when there's an error... | 20:22 |
| bknudson | currently I think every service does their own thing. | 20:22 |
| bknudson | e.g., if the server returns a 500 error or 400 or whatever. | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | It looks like error codes *in error body* is being proposed? | 20:22 |
| Rockyg | Or am I misreading? | 20:23 |
| Nikolay_St | i tjink not | 20:23 |
| bknudson | yes, error codes in the entity-body of the response. | 20:23 |
| Rockyg | Hmmm. error codes should be part of header with body containing details of error instance | 20:24 |
| bknudson | the 500 or 400 code in the status line doesn't provide enough info. | 20:24 |
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| ekudryashova | In my opinion the biggest fix there is every project will return one type payload(json) instead of string, dict or everything else returned now in response | 20:24 |
| jokke_ | I'm surprised that it's not proposed to be base64 encoded for even worse readability ;) | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | ekudryashova: error codes aren't in guidelines *yet* That's what our spec (out soon) will be | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | Well, let's get our spec out there and post to the thread as part of the response? | 20:27 |
| ekudryashova | They is in payload, as I understood they not actually pay attention on structure of code itself and let it be another question | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | Ah. I think you are right | 20:28 |
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| Rockyg | ekudryashova: So, what we are attempting to do is define a structure for error messages through a series of cross project specs. One is error codes. Another is referrer ids | 20:29 |
| Rockyg | We need someone to write the second. There is a dev who already proposed a project specific spec for that that we should work with | 20:30 |
| Rockyg | I think referrer IDs will need to be part of the payload, not header | 20:30 |
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| Rockyg | anyway, let's get our spec out and make a bunch of comments on this one. | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | #topic hacking rules for oslo.log | 20:31 |
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| Rockyg | New ml thread on this. appears a number of projects have hacking rules for log messages, and the discussion started yesterday on this. | 20:32 |
| Rockyg | ekudryashova: have you seen the wiki and etherpads for logging group? | 20:33 |
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| ekudryashova | Rockyg: I saw wiki but no etherpads | 20:34 |
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| Rockyg | Ah. the etherpads actually have more detail on the general consensus of where to go with getting logs more consistent and better | 20:34 |
| Rockyg | I think they are all linked on the main working group page: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LogWorkingGroup | 20:36 |
| Rockyg | I was/am trying to summarize them into something more consistent/readable | 20:36 |
| ekudryashova | Thanks, will take a look | 20:36 |
| Rockyg | But, they help in getting on the same page and asking questions/suggesting actions | 20:37 |
| jokke_ | so Rockyg about the hacking rules, what about it or was this just to promote the ml conv? | 20:37 |
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| Rockyg | So, the thread has a list of checks that Cinder has put in. Neutron says they have some, too. I think maybe we can propose a list of these in a cross project spec | 20:38 |
| Rockyg | Then the projects can take them or not | 20:39 |
| bknudson | these changes are going to go in the global hacking checks | 20:39 |
| Rockyg | And we add new ones as specs get approved | 20:39 |
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| Nikolay_St | Rockyg: where we can read about it?? | 20:39 |
| Rockyg | Lemme find the link to the mail.... | 20:39 |
| bknudson | at least in keystone we try to enforce all the global hacking checks. | 20:39 |
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| Rockyg | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/060299.html | 20:41 |
| Rockyg | and #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060361.html | 20:42 |
| Rockyg | This could be a good, focused spec that ekudryashova could put together. | 20:42 |
| Rockyg | Should move through cross project quickly. shouldn't be too controversial. | 20:43 |
| ekudryashova | Ok, give me a details and I'll be glad to make it | 20:44 |
| Rockyg | Then, they could go in the global and projects could turn on or off as they like. | 20:44 |
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| Rockyg | ekudryashova: let's take the details to email... I might be slow until Monday. Taking Friday off and in-house conference tomorrow. | 20:45 |
| ekudryashova | Rockyg: Thanks, will wait for email | 20:45 |
| Rockyg | Anyway, #action ekudryashova to put together spec with hacking rules for oslo.log stuff | 20:46 |
| Rockyg | #action ekudryashova to put together spec with hacking rules for oslo.log stuff | 20:46 |
| Rockyg | #action ekudryashova to put together spec with hacking rules for oslo.log stuff | 20:46 |
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| Rockyg | Hmmm. Why doesn't that take? Anyway, next topic | 20:47 |
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| Rockyg | #topic Summit planning | 20:47 |
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| Rockyg | We've got to think about two tracks: Ops and dev | 20:47 |
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| jokke_ | ++ | 20:48 |
| Rockyg | I think on Ops, we should plan to provide status of current efforts, then get some consensus on next items to focus effort on | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | do we have any possibility to actually gather together and make a proper battle plan for Liberty? :P | 20:48 |
| Nikolay_St | I don't have plans to go on summit | 20:49 |
| Nikolay_St | other guys from Sahara has it as I know | 20:49 |
| Rockyg | We could meet Sunday or Monday and do some tactical planning, but I think we need to get strategy before then. | 20:49 |
| Rockyg | nikolay_St: sorry to hear that. | 20:50 |
| Rockyg | So, I think we need to go for a cross project slot for dev. do we need more than one? | 20:50 |
| Rockyg | Anyone? | 20:51 |
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| Rockyg | And, one slot or two for ops? | 20:51 |
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| Rockyg | And, do we target projects to socialize our specs? | 20:52 |
| Rockyg | I know we don't have to worry about glance;-) | 20:52 |
| Rockyg | crickets | 20:53 |
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| Rockyg | tumbleweeds | 20:53 |
| jokke_ | I'll be arriving to Vancouver Fri evening and have my talk at Mon (I think it was one of the last sessions) so I can meet up FE. earlier Mon (Long lunch maybe) | 20:54 |
| bknudson | I'd try to attend a logging session. | 20:54 |
| Nikolay_St | I think Sahara is interesting :) | 20:54 |
| Rockyg | OK. bknudson: can you socialize the specs we have out by then to Keystone? | 20:55 |
| bknudson | sure. | 20:55 |
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| Rockyg | Cool. | 20:55 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: I'd like to have x-proj slot and ops slot ... best case scenario would be x-proj slot, ops slot, x-proj slot but either of the x-proj slots could be replaced by unofficial | 20:55 |
| Rockyg | I know we can get an ops slot. Teh xproject slot is a bit more iffy. I'll go out to the ops etherpad and put up a proposal | 20:56 |
| jokke_ | so that we could give ops update where we are, plan future and get their feedback and after that get togther and fix that feedback into the L-plans for us | 20:56 |
| Rockyg | jokke_ that sounds great. | 20:57 |
| Rockyg | I think we need to educate ourselves on the current state of oslo.log and the syslog RFC. Then we can see where we are and where we want to be. | 20:57 |
| Rockyg | oslo.log has a lot more documentation now, from a dev perspective. | 20:58 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: ok, I clearly need update myself on oslo.log | 20:59 |
| Rockyg | syslog allows for *too much* flexibility, so we need to see what might be the right set of constraints to make logs consistent and usable to the collection of projects that is OpenStack. | 20:59 |
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| Rockyg | Yeah. FYI: oslo.log is now 1.0.0 released | 20:59 |
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| jokke_ | well with bit tent, don't hold your breath waiting that to happen, but if we could get the core services to reasonable state, that would be good | 21:00 |
| Rockyg | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.log/ | 21:00 |
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| jokke_ | problem seems to be that few projects and ever fewer people really seems to care about logging on our dev community | 21:01 |
| Rockyg | jokke_: yeah. I'm calling them foundational projects to get away from core | 21:01 |
| Rockyg | Folks, with the Product Team out there now, logs are going to get more attention. | 21:02 |
| jokke_ | sorry to interrupt, but is there someone waiting for next slot, we're over time | 21:02 |
| Rockyg | There will be more and more pushback to getting the projects more usable and productizable. | 21:02 |
| Rockyg | Oops! No one, but let's call it. | 21:02 |
| Rockyg | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 1 21:02:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-04-01-20.03.html | 21:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-04-01-20.03.txt | 21:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/log_wg/2015/log_wg.2015-04-01-20.03.log.html | 21:03 |
| Nikolay_St | bye | 21:03 |
| jokke_ | Rockyg: I have zero confidence for that before I see it :) | 21:03 |
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| jokke_ | thanks all and bye! | 21:03 |
| Rockyg | Next week and you will see email from me shortly | 21:03 |
| jokke_ | good stuff ... take care | 21:03 |
| ekudryashova | Bye! | 21:03 |
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| Rockyg | Thanks all!!! | 21:05 |
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