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| kragniz | glancers? | 15:00 |
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| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 19 15:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 15:00 |
| mfedosin | yup | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| kragniz | o/ | 15:00 |
| stevelle | o/ | 15:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 15:00 |
| nikhil_k | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 15:00 |
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| nikhil_k | Let's get started | 15:01 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Glance review guidelines | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance review guidelines (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:01 | |
| nikhil_k | hemanthm: mfedosin ? | 15:01 |
| mfedosin | okay | 15:01 |
| mfedosin | before I begin I have some good news | 15:01 |
| hemanthm | nikhil_k, o/ | 15:01 |
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| mfedosin | Now we have a dedicated technical writer for Glance | 15:02 |
| kragniz | woo! | 15:02 |
| mfedosin | er name is Lena and she has big experience in writing documentation - over 7 years. | 15:02 |
| TravT_ | \o/ | 15:02 |
| jokke_ | \\o \o/ o// o/7 | 15:02 |
| mfedosin | Unfortunately she's on vacation this week, but I hope next time she can join us and introduce herself. | 15:02 |
| kragniz | that sounds great | 15:02 |
| nikhil_k | Nice, good news indeed | 15:03 |
| mfedosin | yeah, she's good | 15:03 |
| rosmaita | mfedosin: that is really good news, we need someone to get the docs straightened out | 15:03 |
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| pkoniszewski | o/ | 15:03 |
| mfedosin | so, about review guide... | 15:03 |
| pennerc | o/ | 15:03 |
| mfedosin | I want to show you draft of the review guidelines. It still needs some work, but you can read it and leave your comments. | 15:04 |
| mfedosin | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Iia0BjQoXvry9XSbf30DRwQt--ODglw-ZTT_5RJabsI/edit?usp=sharing | 15:04 |
| mfedosin | I think Hemanth as a author can say a couple of words about it | 15:05 |
| mfedosin | I have several questions: | 15:05 |
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| mfedosin | Do we need examples there? And what kind of... | 15:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 15:05 |
| mfedosin | 1. example of good and bad code | 15:05 |
| mfedosin | 2. successful corrections | 15:06 |
| mfedosin | 3. bad reviews | 15:06 |
| mfedosin | And do we need another paragraphs there? | 15:06 |
| hemanthm | If we want it to be educational, I'd say lets leave examples there | 15:06 |
| nikhil_k | Since this is the first draft. 1 -> good to have but not necessary | 15:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah I think examples will help more than hurt | 15:07 |
| hemanthm | at least for some glance specific practices like wrapping and reraising exceptions | 15:07 |
| nikhil_k | can you please elaborate on 2 ? | 15:07 |
| kragniz | more examples are good | 15:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah 2 is a bit vague | 15:07 |
| mfedosin | nikhil_k, links for good reviews | 15:08 |
| mfedosin | and 3 links for bad reviews | 15:08 |
| nikhil_k | ah | 15:08 |
| nikhil_k | I don't think we want 3 | 15:08 |
| ativelkov | status:merged should be such a link | 15:08 |
| hemanthm | hehe | 15:08 |
| lakshmiS | i think some troubleshooting tips/scenarios will be good if it helps in the context | 15:08 |
| mfedosin | ativelkov, ;) | 15:08 |
| nikhil_k | we can have something that says what are nitpicks , corner cases, some bikeshedding examples, etc | 15:09 |
| hemanthm | lakshmiS, good idea but that can do in the dev guide maybe? mfedosin is going to talk about it next | 15:09 |
| hemanthm | *can go | 15:09 |
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| jokke_ | mfedosin, hemanthm: Is there a reason to have the non-glance-specific stuff there to keep in sync rather than improving the OS wiki regarding those? | 15:09 |
| lakshmiS | hemanthm, as long as it's there in some doc, that will be helpful | 15:09 |
| nikhil_k | but we *DONOT* want to point out someone publicaly and condemn them | 15:10 |
| mfedosin | hemanthm, yes, so I think we need 1, and reject 2 and 3 | 15:10 |
| hemanthm | jokke_, yeah we could always point to appropriate wikis, but the idea was to share a few commonly found patterns and then link to the wikis for more info | 15:11 |
| nikhil_k | New reviewers are not going to like that and our objective is, to be inclusive as far as possible | 15:12 |
| mfedosin | jokke_, Hemanth is right. There is a small description of this guide and what is is for... | 15:12 |
| kragniz | is this planned to be placed on the wiki at some point? | 15:13 |
| hemanthm | kragniz, yes, that's the idea | 15:13 |
| kragniz | cool | 15:13 |
| mfedosin | and as I mentioned all your thoughts and suggestions are appreciated :) | 15:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | The other thing we might want to do is discuss certain special cases | 15:14 |
| jokke_ | I would prefer the approach that Hacking doc has as in just header pointing to the OS general guidelines, and telling to read them first, then reading them again and then coming back to the glance specific stuff (keeping the later part as small as possible) | 15:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | So I was reviewing one of sabari's changes in glance_store and learned that for driver-specific changes, nova asks the driver name be first (which contradicts with the general style guide) | 15:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | do we want to do the same, etc | 15:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | (that's the value add I see in doing this separately first) | 15:15 |
| hemanthm | sigmavirus24, +1, could you please add any special cases you are aware of | 15:16 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: could you explain this "nova asks the driver name be first"? Be first where, how? | 15:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | hemanthm: well I think they're things we should decide as a community which is why I brought that up | 15:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | jokke_: so in the subject it would be "VMware: Do x y z and update foo bar bogus" | 15:17 |
| nikhil_k | == sigmavirus24 | 15:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | That breaks the general style rule of "Imperative subjects" i.e. "Change VMWare driver to do x y z and update foo bar bugs" | 15:17 |
| nikhil_k | Our commits are often not par with such standards but we've improving for sure | 15:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | On the one hand: The former gives the reader an immediate understanding that this is VMWare specific, on the other it breaks with the generic style guide | 15:18 |
| nikhil_k | iiuc, that is a general git rule | 15:18 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: I think openstack breadth asks for breaking that rule | 15:18 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: well I think that's the problem ... it gives impression something being VMWare specific, which it might not be | 15:18 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: that would be a corner case when you change the interface code | 15:19 |
| nikhil_k | I think we need to move on | 15:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | yeah | 15:19 |
| nikhil_k | Let's discuss this on the docs/comments/email etc | 15:20 |
| * sigmavirus24 didn't mean for this to be a full discussion at this point in time | 15:20 | |
| sigmavirus24 | email is best | 15:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | :) | 15:20 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Glance developer documentation | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Glance developer documentation (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:20 | |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: looking how much we have refactoring around oslo etc. I think it has been more rule than exception for example on our vmware driver lately :P | 15:20 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: ah ok | 15:20 |
| mfedosin | yep | 15:20 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: any specific inputs on this topic? | 15:20 |
| mfedosin | https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/10OVbGkVTYOIF9_SnXHWlupiQBaVGIBtbroP0jewgPsU/edit?usp=sharing | 15:20 |
| mfedosin | There is not so much currently, but you already can get a picture what it'll be. | 15:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: need access | 15:21 |
| kragniz | mfedosin: it wants access | 15:21 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: can you please move that to google domain? | 15:21 |
| nikhil_k | it's on mirantis one, atm | 15:21 |
| mfedosin | done | 15:21 |
| mfedosin | sorry :) | 15:21 |
| nikhil_k | np | 15:21 |
| mfedosin | We started it with Lena last week and there will be 4 or 5 parts. | 15:22 |
| ativelkov | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/10OVbGkVTYOIF9_SnXHWlupiQBaVGIBtbroP0jewgPsU/edit | 15:22 |
| mfedosin | First one about Architecture like http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/devref/architecture.html but much better :) | 15:22 |
| kragniz | mfedosin: looks pretty nice! | 15:23 |
| * jokke_ likes the first impression ... thanks1 | 15:23 | |
| mfedosin | Second is optional and I have some concerns about its including in the documentation. It's about inner structure of glance utils like scrubber, pruner and replicator. I suppose not so many people need this kind of documentation and if they need, they can easily find out for themselves. | 15:23 |
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| mfedosin | Third is about structure of domain and its layer. Plus there will be Repo API and description of Factory, Gateway and Image class | 15:23 |
| mfedosin | *layers | 15:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: this sounds awesome | 15:24 |
| mfedosin | Forth for what domain model is. Proxy classes and Helpers | 15:24 |
| kragniz | I really like the high level view | 15:24 |
| mfedosin | And the last one describes DB API and organization of the tables. | 15:24 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: Looks really good. | 15:25 |
| TravT_ | This is really great! | 15:25 |
| mfedosin | thanks, it will be better | 15:25 |
| nikhil_k | We may want to avoid showing DB schema like this (created manually) | 15:25 |
| kragniz | this is going to be part of the glance documentation? | 15:26 |
| nikhil_k | If we can get some doc strings on the schema specification in the code, that would be better | 15:26 |
| hemanthm | While this is really useful, documentation like this tends to go out of sync very quickly if we don't maintain it. That's definitely a cost involved with it | 15:26 |
| mfedosin | yes, I see | 15:26 |
| mfedosin | hemanthm, and that's why we have Lena as a technical writer | 15:27 |
| nikhil_k | yeah, also the pipeline makes it difficult to determine the correlation of the doc with the deployment | 15:27 |
| jokke_ | while there is cost involved I really like that ... this is like first human readable version of what's going on there I've seen ;) | 15:27 |
| mfedosin | You can look and comment as well as the review guide. Everyone is welcome. | 15:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin++ Lena++ | 15:28 |
| TravT_ | schema could be generated by raw output from describing it. | 15:28 |
| mfedosin | yes, but I want it to be pretty looked picture | 15:29 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: true but human readable does not guarantee the authenticity and that can be bad sometimes | 15:29 |
| mfedosin | but I agree - maintain all the migrations is annoying | 15:30 |
| nikhil_k | for example the image status transitions are not complete here http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/statuses.html | 15:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | :( | 15:30 |
| mfedosin | And also I want to know about the timing. Until what date should it be completed? | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: yes, good point | 15:31 |
| kragniz | mfedosin: having it for the kilo release would probably be great | 15:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | Do we want it in time for the summit so we can show it off? | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | mfedosin: I don't think we have a _completion_ date however, good to have a small first version (minimal style) | 15:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | or what kragniz said ;) | 15:31 |
| mfedosin | 13, March? | 15:31 |
| nikhil_k | sure | 15:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | should we set a k-1 milestone for it before that to solicit feedback on a near-final draft? | 15:32 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: shipping it with kilo would be kindest to ops :P | 15:32 |
| nikhil_k | k3 you mean? | 15:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: wait, you mean ops aren't just imaginary things? They're real humans? *mindblown* =P | 15:32 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: k3 you mean? | 15:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: well k-1 would be the milestone for the document, doesn't need to coincide with k-3 | 15:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | it can | 15:32 |
| nikhil_k | I don't think we can timeslide back | 15:33 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: k1 has been and gone :P | 15:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | well we're releasing the document for kilo | 15:33 |
| nikhil_k | yes, so k3 | 15:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | the document's development didn't start with the rest of kilo | 15:33 |
| mfedosin | btw, what will be after Z? | 15:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | so document-relative k-1 | 15:33 |
| nikhil_k | those are informal milestones so do not matter officially | 15:33 |
| mfedosin | A again? | 15:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: AA ;) | 15:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | then AB, then AC =P | 15:33 |
| mfedosin | then we have to wait 13 years | 15:34 |
| * sigmavirus24 doesn't actually know | 15:34 | |
| nikhil_k | greek characters | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | we need to move on | 15:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: by then certainly everyone will support unicode ;) | 15:34 |
| mfedosin | nikhil_k, :D | 15:34 |
| nikhil_k | #topic stable/juno requirements sync with global requirements | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable/juno requirements sync with global requirements (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:34 | |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: ? | 15:34 |
| ativelkov | yup | 15:34 |
| jokke_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154728/ | 15:34 |
| ativelkov | ah, great | 15:35 |
| jokke_ | that's capping the requirements (finally) | 15:35 |
| ativelkov | just wanted to ask what is the correct practice here | 15:35 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: bot proposes, we verify that it does not break the hell loose and merge ;) | 15:36 |
| ativelkov | is that the same for stable branches? | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | also, we are midful about the release date and freeze time | 15:36 |
| nikhil_k | mindful* | 15:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: yes mostly because unexpected releases have been breaking things (see: half of oslo and eventlet for examples) | 15:37 |
| jokke_ | ativelkov: bot proposes to the stable/* just stable team +2+2+A | 15:37 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: there was some discussion about not having to maintain 3 branches simultaneously. You might want to be on the lookout there. Try asking in cross project meetings on the upto data info. | 15:37 |
| ativelkov | got it, thanks | 15:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | there's also a discussion on the ML about how we maintain stable/* requirements lists in openstack/requirements | 15:38 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I think the unfortunate reality what has been promised to explore is 4 releases when Kilo comes out :( | 15:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | (you might notice some of these deps are equivalent to pins) | 15:38 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: wow, that's not fun! | 15:39 |
| kragniz | jokke_: the more releases, the more fun! | 15:39 |
| nikhil_k | can we move one? | 15:39 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: it's transition, but still | 15:39 |
| jokke_ | I think so | 15:39 |
| ativelkov | yup | 15:39 |
| nikhil_k | thanks | 15:39 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Abandoning stale PS from review | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Abandoning stale PS from review (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:39 | |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: was that you? | 15:39 |
| jokke_ | yeah | 15:39 |
| nikhil_k | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/46352 | 15:40 |
| nikhil_k | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-cleanout-of-inactive-PS | 15:40 |
| jokke_ | so Nova is doing this automated (IIUC) after 4 weeks, Swift is sending chase e-mail out after 4 weeks and abandoning manually if no activity in 2 weeks from that | 15:40 |
| jokke_ | The take from the mailing list and X-project meeting at Tue was that it's reasonable and at least for now there won't be OS wide governing for this | 15:41 |
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| kragniz | jokke_: I thought nova stopped doing the automated abandon? | 15:41 |
| jokke_ | kragniz: at least what I understood from sdague's comment at tue it's scripted | 15:42 |
| jokke_ | kragniz: OS stopped the automatic 2week abandon which was on all | 15:42 |
| kragniz | okay | 15:42 |
| * sigmavirus24 wonders if there's a way to automate a message to the ML asking for sponsors for older patch sets before abandoning | 15:42 | |
| nikhil_k | please no, that would create so much spam | 15:43 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: the question is more can you do that without annoying everyone | 15:43 |
| jokke_ | sigmavirus24: I'd certainly not spam mailing list with any automation like that | 15:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: it should be obvious that I care not about annoying people ;) | 15:43 |
| nikhil_k | heh | 15:43 |
| kragniz | I personally think the older reviews are not causing any trouble | 15:44 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: worth creating a poll on the ML discussion? | 15:44 |
| * sigmavirus24 realizes that it's probably best just to set up a collection of dashboards for people to use | 15:44 | |
| jokke_ | also the main concern on the mailing list feedback in short was that someone might hurt their feelings if we drop their change after they have not responded to us for weeks ... which was at least on X-proj meeting pretty much discarded | 15:44 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: (plug for http://goo.gl/eS05pD) | 15:45 |
| nikhil_k | heh, I think gerrit can support such a filter (but not sure if one already exists/can be enabled) | 15:45 |
| jokke_ | again using automated filters removes all flexibility and smartness ... makes the situation just worse | 15:45 |
| ativelkov | If I remember correctly, the concern was also about loosing real user-stories if we abandon something | 15:46 |
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| jokke_ | if someone wakes up at the point when the change gets abandoned there is simple way to restore it without hassle | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | yes, that's the case. However, if we can omit WIP patch sets from being abandoned then it would solve it, right? | 15:46 |
| nikhil_k | and that can be mentioned in the good practice guideline | 15:47 |
| ativelkov | We may suggest the reviewers to create a launchpad bug or BP (if relevant) before abandoning the changes, so noce-to-have features remain in backlog | 15:47 |
| kragniz | jokke_: yes, but it's a harder for someone else to find it later if it's abandoned | 15:47 |
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| nikhil_k | ok, we need to move on | 15:47 |
| nikhil_k | Let's continue on the ML for now and get back on this next week if necessary | 15:47 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic Catalog Index service reviews | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Catalog Index service reviews (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:48 | |
| nikhil_k | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/catalog-index-service | 15:48 |
| TravT_ | On the follow page is a little diagram showing the patches related to index service: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/catalog-index-service | 15:48 |
| TravT_ | You might need to zoom out a bit for the diagram to render correctly | 15:48 |
| TravT_ | One is really just an update on metadefs functionality (adding notifications), but is pretty much ready: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148546/ | 15:48 |
| TravT_ | Others are functionally very close to completion and serious test writing is starting up. | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148546/ | 15:49 |
| TravT_ | Would be much better to get reviews now so comments can be addressed before the mad end of cycle zuul rush where it takes multipe days to just check a patch. | 15:49 |
| nikhil_k | cool, so we need reviews | 15:49 |
| * sigmavirus24 was working on that yesterday I think | 15:49 | |
| nikhil_k | #help review catalog index service patches | 15:50 |
| TravT_ | Thanks! | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | TravT_: do we have more updates or should we move on? | 15:50 |
| nikhil_k | #topic glanceclient sorting | 15:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glanceclient sorting (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:50 | |
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| nikhil_k | Please help mfedosin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120777/ | 15:50 |
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| nikhil_k | That was my addition and that's pretty much it for now. | 15:51 |
| mfedosin | currently we don't have support for sorting in glance client | 15:51 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: when did that break? | 15:51 |
| mfedosin | this patch implement it | 15:51 |
| jokke_ | mfedosin: or is our sorting done on the API server end? | 15:52 |
| mfedosin | in v2 there is no sorting | 15:52 |
| mfedosin | in client | 15:52 |
| nikhil_k | anyways, we can discuss this on the review itself | 15:53 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Reviews for zero downtime config reload | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews for zero downtime config reload (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:53 | |
| mfedosin | thanks :) I will be appreciate | 15:53 |
| nikhil_k | I think we need to get some feedback to these folks | 15:53 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127238/ | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | https://review.openstack.org/122181 | 15:54 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open discussion | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 15:54 | |
| kragniz | we need reviews on the last couple of glanceclient patches for the next release | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: do you have links handy so that people can see in the meeting logs? | 15:55 |
| kragniz | #link https://launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+milestone/v0.16.0 | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 15:55 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: quick update request, what's the status on our client and store releases? | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k | good enough | 15:55 |
| mfedosin | folks, there is my spec about new sorting syntax https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155841/ can you check it out? | 15:55 |
| nikhil_k | for store we were waiting on stuart's patch for ativelkov 's copy-from fix | 15:55 |
| kragniz | also | 15:56 |
| kragniz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157372/ | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | but we can release today if that's not ready | 15:56 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: stuart's not going to have that ready in time | 15:56 |
| hemanthm | nikhil_k, reminder: maintainer for glance_store | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | okay | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | oh yes | 15:56 |
| wayne_ | any thoughts on this one would be appreciated: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154229/ | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | is anyone willing to volunteer as a maintainer for glance_store repo | 15:56 |
| ativelkov | A question to sigmavirus24 and rosmaita: are we done with the semver discussion? :) | 15:56 |
| nikhil_k | that way we can have multiple point of contacts for the release process | 15:57 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: would that be mostly release management? | 15:57 |
| hemanthm | nikhil_k, I'd be interested | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | hemanthm, you were interested, right? | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | okay, thanks | 15:57 |
| nikhil_k | anyone else? | 15:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: if the plan is to support something in a broader scheme after adding semver (to at least get artifacts rolling) that's fine | 15:57 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I think I have my hands full with current promises ;) | 15:57 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: I can do release stuff | 15:57 |
| ativelkov | sigmavirus24: exactly | 15:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | Otherwise I still object to the fact that we're limiting artifacts versioning to such an extremely narrow group of potential users (since semver has no users at the moment, all users are potential) | 15:58 |
| nikhil_k | ativelkov: it's upto sigmavirus24 now. rosmaita and I are on agreement | 15:58 |
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| sigmavirus24 | s/semver/artifacts/ | 15:58 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: ok, thanks! | 15:58 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: noted | 15:58 |
| nikhil_k | #action add kragniz and hemanthm for glance_store release management | 15:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I can help if necessary but it sounds like hemanthm and kragniz are good | 15:58 |
| ativelkov | nikhil_k: could you please comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151466/ ? It has got 2 +2 but no +A, and it is blocking us | 15:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: probably people are waiting for the spec to be approved first | 15:59 |
| kragniz | we're out of time, so move to #openstack-glance? | 15:59 |
| jokke_ | ok, time! | 15:59 |
| jokke_ | Thanks all | 15:59 |
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| nikhil_k | ativelkov: yes, I was waiting on the discussion. Thanks for the reminder! | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all.. | 16:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| kragniz | thanks | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| ativelkov | thanks! | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 19 16:00:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-02-19-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-02-19-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2015/glance.2015-02-19-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| VW_ | now, on to large deployments... :) | 16:00 |
| * sigmavirus24 waits for os-ansible-deployment to start | 16:01 | |
| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: where are you located that's -15 degrees? | 16:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: MSN | 16:01 |
| b3rnard0 | #startmeeting OpenStack Ansible Meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 19 16:01:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is b3rnard0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Ansible Meeting)" | 16:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_ansible_meeting' | 16:01 |
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| b3rnard0 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-ansible#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:02 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic RollCall | 16:02 |
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| cloudnull | present | 16:02 |
| b3rnard0 | presente | 16:02 |
| stevelle | present | 16:02 |
| VW_ | hmm - we have meeting room conflict | 16:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | gift | 16:02 |
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| sigmavirus24 | VW_: os-ansible-deployment has had this room for >1 month I think | 16:03 |
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| palendae | present | 16:03 |
| VW_ | yeah, we had it back in December | 16:03 |
| VW_ | but we are alternating timeslots | 16:03 |
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| sigmavirus24 | VW_: interesting we haven't run into each other yet | 16:03 |
| b3rnard0 | VW_: what time is your meeting? | 16:04 |
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| alextricity | Morning | 16:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ alextricity | 16:04 |
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| VW_ | 16:00 UTC, sigmavirus24 / b3rnard0 | 16:04 |
| VW_ | it's new as of December, though | 16:04 |
| VW_ | you guys carry on | 16:04 |
| VW_ | I'll see what I can do to work around | 16:05 |
| b3rnard0 | VW_: sorry about the confusion | 16:05 |
| mdorman | VW_: reasonable to move to #openstack-operators? | 16:05 |
| d34dh0r53 | presente | 16:05 |
| b3rnard0 | cloudnull: we didn't have any action items from last week, do we want to just jump onto contributor guidelines discussion? | 16:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hi | 16:06 |
| belmoreira | VW_: fine for me | 16:07 |
| VW_ | cool | 16:07 |
| b3rnard0 | thanks VW_ | 16:07 |
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| cloudnull | VW_ belmoreira mdorman i dont see anything on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings for your meeting at this time, but we can move our meeting to another time slot / room moving forward if needed. | 16:08 |
| b3rnard0 | #action b3rnard0 Make sure there are no meeting conflicts and update meeting time if necessary. | 16:08 |
| cloudnull | any who, lets get started? | 16:09 |
| VW_ | nah - we'll sort it out, cloudnull | 16:09 |
| cloudnull | alright, sorry for the confusion :) | 16:09 |
| cloudnull | so lets get right into Contributor guidelines discussion | 16:10 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Contributor guidelines discussion | 16:10 |
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| b3rnard0 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ansible-contrib | 16:10 |
| cloudnull | mancdaz started ^ | 16:10 |
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| cloudnull | i think we need to lay out specific guidelines for contributions and begin adhering to them. | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | and i know that i've been part of the problem | 16:11 |
| cloudnull | so moving forward, i like where this is going. but i'd like to get everyone to start looking at that and add bits that may be missing. | 16:12 |
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| cloudnull | anyone have any thoughts on taht ? | 16:12 |
| cloudnull | anyone here ? | 16:13 |
| palendae | I agree with what mancdaz has outlined there | 16:13 |
| Apsu | Personally, I think that there will probably be need for exceptions with respect to 1 blueprint = 1 feature = 1 patch set, mostly because "feature" is such a vague target. | 16:13 |
| mattt | here, and no real arguments w/ what is there | 16:14 |
| Apsu | But I generally agree with it. | 16:14 |
| Apsu | The whole blueprint/voting aspect is a given | 16:14 |
| mattt | we need clarification on whether features get backported too tho | 16:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | bluesprints/specs ? | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | so lets start with the etherpad and then once we have something that is mutually agreeable we should add it to the contributing guidelines. | 16:14 |
| Apsu | +1 | 16:15 |
| mattt | +1 | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | Apsu: a lot of bps generally have > 1 patch | 16:15 |
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| cloudnull | so lets get eyes on that, and later today we'll pr to master in the contributing guidelines. | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | smaller patches are easier to vote on than huge ones | 16:16 |
| odyssey4me | o/ (sorry I'm late) | 16:16 |
| cloudnull | np odyssey4me | 16:16 |
| b3rnard0 | we forgive you odyssey4me | 16:16 |
| Apsu | Sam-I-Am: I know, not really what I meant. I'm moreso talking about what constitutes a "feature" and whether a single bp should subsume multiple ones or not. But we can discuss that separately | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | mmkay | 16:16 |
| Apsu | If the feature is "restructure playbook style", you end up with a huge patchset. Some "features" are huge and invasive. That's what brought this issue up in the first place, so just pointing out that "feature" is vague and sometimes it hurts :) | 16:17 |
| cloudnull | ok moving on to "Blueprints" | 16:18 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Blueprints | 16:19 |
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| b3rnard0 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+spec/additional-tempest-checks | 16:19 |
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| cloudnull | so i think that bp is in line with our whole, "if your not working on gating your not working" mantra. but the BP needs some more data. | 16:20 |
| palendae | Are we conflating rackspace sprints with os-ansible-deployment goals then? | 16:20 |
| b3rnard0 | also, did we want to start using a blueprint or spec template? | 16:20 |
| hughsaunders | this patch should be more inline with that bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156831/ | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | palendae no, the integration with tempest should be a project goal . | 16:21 |
| cloudnull | i think if we're going to have a successful project we need better testing and per OpenStack tempest == testing. | 16:22 |
| palendae | Sure, not saying that | 16:22 |
| palendae | I'm more confused where the mantra came from - don't remember it as part of the last os-ansible-deployment meeting | 16:22 |
| palendae | Anyway | 16:23 |
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| palendae | More testing more good | 16:23 |
| Apsu | America | 16:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | who is testing the tests? | 16:23 |
| d34dh0r53 | going to update that BP today to the spec format that cloudnull uses | 16:24 |
| d34dh0r53 | btw | 16:24 |
| cloudnull | d34dh0r53 great | 16:24 |
| Apsu | Sam-I-Am: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? | 16:24 |
| d34dh0r53 | cloudnull: I can haz link to gist? | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | == Sam-I-Am | 16:24 |
| b3rnard0 | d34dh0r53: what is the link to the spec format so that we can add that to the guidelines? | 16:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | Apsu: the cores are the watchpersons and the community watches them | 16:24 |
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| d34dh0r53 | b3rnard0 meet cloudnull | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | d34dh0r53: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/cloudnull/91f23c49c2a86ffd1309/raw/bea7862563c53553df1eaaf490ba5d249d75b985/blueprint-template.rst | 16:25 |
| Apsu | sigmavirus24: Slightly creepy. But I can dig it | 16:25 |
| odyssey4me | I think that perhaps we need to figure out, for this project, what sort of change to the project requires a blueprint and what can simply be logged as a bug. | 16:25 |
| b3rnard0 | #link https://gist.githubusercontent.com/cloudnull/91f23c49c2a86ffd1309/raw/bea7862563c53553df1eaaf490ba5d249d75b985/blueprint-template.rst | 16:25 |
| d34dh0r53 | 👍 | 16:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | features usually = bp, bugs usually = bugs ? | 16:25 |
| cloudnull | so this brings up another issue around Blueprints / Specs. I feel like we should be using specs and abandon blueprints. | 16:25 |
| Apsu | odyssey4me: Simple. If it's a bug, fix it. If it's a feature, blueprint it. Pefectly clear, right? | 16:25 |
| b3rnard0 | d34dh0r53: meet action item | 16:26 |
| b3rnard0 | #action d34dh0r53 update blueprint with template from cloudnull | 16:26 |
| stevelle | It seem the scope of the fix should influence that decision odyssey4me | 16:26 |
| d34dh0r53 | thank you sir, may I have another? | 16:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | cloudnull: for upstream, we have a BP for general management, but it links to a spec for the actual discussion/voting | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | yes that ^ | 16:26 |
| palendae | Sounds like a good appraoch. BPs don't really allow for discussion | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | in this way we'd have a repo of specs that people can comment and vote on. | 16:27 |
| cloudnull | at present the launchpad whiteboard is terribad. | 16:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | launchpad doesnt understand specs, but it does know how to manage targets and stuff. | 16:27 |
| b3rnard0 | +1 to specs | 16:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | launchpad is the b3rnard0 of feature management | 16:27 |
| hughsaunders | cloudnull: could we have in-repo specs to save having another repo? | 16:27 |
| b3rnard0 | Sam-I-Am: and you are the diagram editor for os-ansible? | 16:28 |
| cloudnull | hughsaunders sure. | 16:28 |
| palendae | hughsaunders: So we get specs on every checkout? | 16:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | b3rnard0: say my name! | 16:28 |
| cloudnull | ^ palendae beat me to my comment on that. | 16:28 |
| palendae | Er, clone | 16:28 |
| hughsaunders | yeah, I guess they would be quite small, and it would save having another repo to keep track of | 16:29 |
| hughsaunders | but git-harry tells me that all the openstack projects use external specs repos, so maybe we should follow suit? | 16:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | most of the upstream projects have separate repos | 16:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | like -specs | 16:29 |
| odyssey4me | in-repo may mean that the automated spec building may not work - assuming that this can be done for stackforge projects | 16:30 |
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| odyssey4me | also, perhaps the approvers for specs should be different to the approvers for the code? | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: I think it can | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: specs live on specs.openstack.org | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | odyssey4me: +1 | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | odyssey4me: typically there's overlap but they're not the same team | 16:30 |
| palendae | Well, if the goal is to be more like upstream OpenStack, then separate repos sounds like the way to go | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | so lets ping "jhesketh" to see about getting another repo. | 16:30 |
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| b3rnard0 | #info palendae: Well, if the goal is to be more like upstream OpenStack, then separate repos sounds like the way to go; cloudnull: so lets ping "jhesketh" to see about getting another repo. | 16:32 |
| b3rnard0 | who would like to ping jhesketh for the repo? | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | ill hit him up today . | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | but he's likely sleeping right now. | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | anything else we want to talk about regarding blueprints ? | 16:33 |
| cloudnull | ok moving on | 16:34 |
| b3rnard0 | #action cloudnull ping jhesketh about creating a separate repo | 16:34 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Milestones | 16:34 |
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| b3rnard0 | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-ansible/+milestone/next | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | presently we have 2 milestone. 10.1.2 and 9.0.7 | 16:34 |
| cloudnull | imo 10.1.2 is close to being done. | 16:35 |
| cloudnull | while 9.0.7 has a few items that need to go in, IE tempest commit_aio testing. | 16:35 |
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| cloudnull | for the most part things are passing, that said we need reviewers. | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | please do the needfuls on items in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/os-ansible-deployment,n,z | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | there are 7 commits for icehouse | 16:36 |
| b3rnard0 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/os-ansible-deployment,n,z | 16:36 |
| cloudnull | 5 for juno. | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me do we know when infra will can get our gate change commit in ? | 16:37 |
| odyssey4me | cloudnull it's been waiting in the queue since monday... I'm trying to be patient and wait for a week before starting to escalate. :p | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | thats fair. | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | i think we've bothered them a enough for a while :) | 16:38 |
| odyssey4me | the supposed expected time for a review to sit in the queue is 5-7 days | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me you have the link for that review . | 16:39 |
| odyssey4me | #link https://review.openstack.org/156229 | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | if we can get some other reviewers on that ^ it would also be great. | 16:39 |
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| Apsu | Already doing | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | so anything else regarding present milestones? | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | ok moving on | 16:42 |
| b3rnard0 | #topic Open discussion | 16:42 |
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| BjoernT | So pinning will be backported to icehouse branch and we will use the same versions as 10.1.2? | 16:42 |
| cloudnull | BjoernT it looks like it. | 16:43 |
| odyssey4me | BjoernT yes, the patches are already in-flight | 16:43 |
| cloudnull | odyssey4me has put through that work . | 16:43 |
| cloudnull | ^ what odyssey4me said :) | 16:43 |
| BjoernT | Nice | 16:43 |
| cloudnull | BjoernT if you have time please review the open PRs @ https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/os-ansible-deployment,n,z we'd love some external feedback . | 16:44 |
| odyssey4me | BjoernT obviously the openstack service versions will not be the same - the pinning backport and version pin will only apply to the infrastructure | 16:44 |
| BjoernT | ok, I'llk do | 16:44 |
| BjoernT | sure | 16:44 |
| BjoernT | is there a reason why we didn't backport 1410437 to icehouse ? or are we reducing development on 9.x ? | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | BjoernT 9.x is in maintenance. | 16:45 |
| b3rnard0 | #action BjoernT to help out with reviewing open PRs https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/os-ansible-deployment,n,z | 16:45 |
| BjoernT | What issues are fixed in that state ? | 16:45 |
| cloudnull | critical / some high | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | that said odyssey4me : do we think getting that in for 9.0.7 is a worthwhile effort? | 16:46 |
| BjoernT | OK, we talked internally yesterday and we think 1410437 is critical (PATH missing in keystone token_flush cronjob) | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | what are we talking about here? | 16:47 |
| odyssey4me | oh - the keystone path thing? | 16:47 |
| BjoernT | I meant the support team talked internally about what can happen to customer environments if the token table grows to big | 16:47 |
| cloudnull | BjoernT: from the prospective of the deployer , we dont know what pains you unless you and others join in here, in the community forum | 16:47 |
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| odyssey4me | well, I don't think it was backported in the previous run because nobody lobbied to have that done - it was never marked as backport potential for icehouse (until today) | 16:48 |
| BjoernT | yes I know that's why we talked about it yesterday. is 9.0.7 already frozen? | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | it's probably an easy backport | 16:48 |
| BjoernT | Can I mark bugs myself as backport potential ? | 16:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | imho, the token-flush thing is a pretty big issue | 16:48 |
| stevelle | action item? | 16:48 |
| odyssey4me | I did try to cherry-pick through gerrit already, and it doesn't... so there's clearly a conflict. | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | so lets prioritize it and get it in for 9.0.7 | 16:49 |
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| odyssey4me | BjoernT it would often be best to include the versions that you think it applies to in the description or a follow-on message. | 16:49 |
| BjoernT | +1 | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | that said , BjoernT can you talk to your team about joining the tuesday triage meeting? | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | That way the bug triage can target it in the process. | 16:50 |
| BjoernT | yes it is usually me but this week was bad, we will have a secondary joining | 16:50 |
| odyssey4me | and yeah, join the meetings and advocate | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | ok. | 16:50 |
| cloudnull | anything else? | 16:50 |
| BjoernT | Not from me | 16:51 |
| b3rnard0 | thanks BjoernT | 16:51 |
| cloudnull | ok , lets call it | 16:51 |
| b3rnard0 | thanks everyone | 16:51 |
| cloudnull | thanks everyone | 16:51 |
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| BjoernT | Thanks | 16:51 |
| b3rnard0 | #endmeeting | 16:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 19 16:51:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:51 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_ansible_meeting/2015/openstack_ansible_meeting.2015-02-19-16.01.txt | 16:51 |
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