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| tidwellr | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 1 15:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tidwellr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| tidwellr | hi | 15:00 |
| jschwarz | \o/ | 15:00 |
| jschwarz | hello | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | o/ | 15:00 |
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| tidwellr | Agenda for today is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:01 |
| tidwellr | #chair mlavalle carl_baldwin | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr | 15:01 |
| tidwellr | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| tidwellr | Newton-3 is upon us, get your code merged quick :) | 15:02 |
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| tidwellr | hi john-davidge | 15:03 |
| johnbelamaric | hi all | 15:03 |
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| tidwellr | hi | 15:03 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:03 |
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| tidwellr | any other announcements? | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | Talks for the Summit have been accepted / rejected | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | We have one accepted for routed networks: | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15149/scaling-up-openstack-networking-with-routed-networks | 15:04 |
| tidwellr | mlavalle: I saw, that's great! | 15:04 |
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| tidwellr | anything else? | 15:05 |
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| jschwarz | Ann and Kevin and I have one | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | jschwarz: wrong window, maybe? | 15:06 |
| jschwarz | nope - we have a talk that has been accepted :) | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | a great :-) ! | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: What talk is that? | 15:07 |
| jschwarz | https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15920/the-race-conditions-of-neutron-l3-has-scheduler-under-scale-performace | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: cool | 15:08 |
| njohnston | there is also one for l3 agent extensions | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | jschwarz: looks nice! | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | njohnston: do you have the link handy? | 15:09 |
| jschwarz | :) thanks guys | 15:09 |
| njohnston | https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15187/under-the-trenchcoat-neutron-agent-extensions | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | jschwarz: and you look nice with your Fedora :-) | 15:09 |
| tidwellr | njohnston jschwarz: very cool | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | njohnston: cool | 15:09 |
| jschwarz | XD | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | njohnston: nice also! | 15:10 |
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| tidwellr | any more announcements before we dive in to bugs? | 15:11 |
| tidwellr | alright, let's go for it | 15:12 |
| tidwellr | #topic Bugs | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:12 | |
| tidwellr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1583759 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1618187 in neutron "duplicate for #1583759 InvalidInput exceptions from DHCP RPC handler" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 15:13 |
| tidwellr | it looks like this was a dup, and the fix for the dup seems to have merged, anything to discuss on this one? | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | no, it's done | 15:14 |
| tidwellr | cool, next is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1609540 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1609540 in neutron "Deleting csnat port fails due to no fixed ips" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | I haven't had a chance to look at this. | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | I think we haven't seen it again | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | No, we haven't. But, we haven't seen the debug message either. So, we don't really have a root cause. | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: is your query just looking for message: "CSNAT port has no IPs" | 15:17 |
| tidwellr | ok, so this is still open :) | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, still open. | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | or is there any additional magic to it? | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Essentially, yes. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | I don't think the search is going through debug messages. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | That's what I suspect. | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | But, it isn't on the top of my priority list. | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | yeah, now I remember. I have to check with infra. I'll do it today and leave a message in the bug | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | actually I'll do it now | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: thanks | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: that's all I think. | 15:20 |
| tidwellr | ok | 15:20 |
| * mlavalle switching back and forth infra channel | 15:20 | |
| tidwellr | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562878 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1562878 in neutron "L3 HA: Unable to complete operation on subnet" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ann Taraday (akamyshnikova) | 15:20 |
| jschwarz | hey ho | 15:20 |
| jschwarz | I discussed this with Ann - this doesn't reproduce and so we lowered the importance from High to Medium | 15:21 |
| jschwarz | no more work has been done on this so far | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | jschwarz: thanks for following up on that :-) | 15:21 |
| jschwarz | :) | 15:21 |
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| mlavalle | so I say let's get it out of the agenda | 15:23 |
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| tidwellr | mlavalle: agreed | 15:23 |
| jschwarz | sgtm | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: thanks | 15:23 |
| jschwarz | carl_baldwin, welcome | 15:23 |
| tidwellr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1596075 | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596075 in neutron "Neutron confused about overlapping subnet creation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 15:24 |
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| mlavalle | that's been a long story. It doesn't seem to be a pressing issue | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | agreed | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | for the time being. with the end of the cycle, I have decided not to bother Kevin | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | he has so many other things in his plate | 15:25 |
| tidwellr | is this worthy of being on the agenda just to follow it? | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | I'll revisit it after we ship Newton | 15:25 |
| tidwellr | I think mlavalle answered my question :) | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | let's keep it in the agenda. Let's just remember it is in "slow motion" | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 15:26 |
| tidwellr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1599329 | 15:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1599329 in neutron "Potential regression on handing over DHCP addresses to VMs" [High,In progress] | 15:26 |
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| kevinbenton | mlavalle: we actually should follow up on that next week | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: great. thanks! | 15:27 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: this is a good time to revisit that because it's basically all load test related issues | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: I just didn't want to over burden you :-) | 15:28 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: nah, this scale stuff is one of my main priorities so no worries | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | going back to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1599329 | 15:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1599329 in neutron "Potential regression on handing over DHCP addresses to VMs" [High,In progress] | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: have you seen occurences of that lately? | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | I will take that as no :-) | 15:33 |
| tidwellr | :) | 15:34 |
| tidwellr | should we move on? | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | we were looking if a fix took care of it. | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | Apparently it hasn't shown up | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | let's move on | 15:34 |
| tidwellr | ok | 15:34 |
| tidwellr | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,Confirmed] | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: ^ | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | Any plans on this? | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | I think here we wanted to check with johnbelamaric if he had any plans for it | 15:35 |
| johnbelamaric | tidwellr: pavel_bondar asked me about this last week. I have no status right now…I will see if we can put some time into it | 15:35 |
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| tidwellr | johnbelamaric: ok, sounds good | 15:36 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: sorry, installer here and needed me | 15:36 |
| tidwellr | looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1612186 can be pulled off the agenda | 15:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1612186 in neutron "failed to create flavor router" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to yong sheng gong (gongysh) | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr: yeap, it is done | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | haleyb: we can back up, anything to add on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1599329 | 15:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1599329 in neutron "Potential regression on handing over DHCP addresses to VMs" [High,In progress] | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | ? | 15:37 |
| haleyb | tidwellr: we do still see dhcp errors in the multinode dvr job | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: that specifc one? | 15:39 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i haven't pinpointed a dhcp failure to anything specifically yet | 15:40 |
| haleyb | i am on a quest to get the dvr and dvr-multinode jobs really happy is the best thing to say, so any intermittent issue like this is on the radar | 15:41 |
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| mlavalle | tidwellr, haleyb: so I'll assign that bug to myself and I will follow up with Brian. I don't like it to be unassigned | 15:43 |
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| tidwellr | mlavalle: thanks | 15:43 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: thanks, i think we can move one | 15:43 |
| tidwellr | halyeb: I see you added https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1619312 | 15:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1619312 in neutron "dvr: can't migrate legacy router to DVR" [High,Confirmed] | 15:44 |
| haleyb | tidwellr: yes, jschwarz just found that | 15:44 |
| jschwarz | yeps | 15:44 |
| jschwarz | tidwellr, this is on master, using devstack's router1 | 15:44 |
| jschwarz | from legacy to dvr | 15:44 |
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| johnbelamaric | There are two bug fixes awaiting reviews: backport to stable/liberty of https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564335 and also in master this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1570465 | 15:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564335 in neutron " [Pluggable IPAM] delete subnet in ml2 plugin does not comply with pluggable ipam (deletes ip allocations directly from db)" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1570465 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] AutomaticAddressRequest is created manually instead of using factory" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I'll have a look | 15:47 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: you can assign https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 to aliaksandr-dziarkach | 15:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,Confirmed] | 15:47 |
| tidwellr | jschwarz: I suppose we don't have much to discuss on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1619312 yet | 15:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1619312 in neutron "dvr: can't migrate legacy router to DVR" [High,Confirmed] | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: ack | 15:47 |
| jschwarz | tidwellr, nope. my dvr skills aren't as good as some of you guys. I was hoping perhaps Swami could take a look at this | 15:47 |
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| jschwarz | tidwellr, if this isn't a big fix, I'd really appreciate it going in before N | 15:48 |
| Swami | jschwarz: will take a look at it. | 15:48 |
| jschwarz | Swami, thanks | 15:48 |
| tidwellr | alright, it looks like bugs has consumed our time :) | 15:49 |
| tidwellr | that's ok btw | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | It is a good time to be focused on bugs. | 15:49 |
| haleyb | anilvenkata had another bug as well | 15:49 |
| anilvenkata | yes this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1522980 | 15:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522980 in neutron "L3 HA integration with l2pop assumes control plane is operational for fail over" [High,In progress] - Assigned to venkata anil (anil-venkata) | 15:49 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: ++ | 15:49 |
| anilvenkata | carl_baldwin, kevinbenton Swami with high priority | 15:50 |
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| anilvenkata | need another core reviewer for the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255237/ | 15:51 |
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| Swami | anilvenkata: yes carl_baldwin or haleyb can you help you with the +2 | 15:53 |
| anilvenkata | Swami, thanks Swami | 15:53 |
| anilvenkata | Swami, carl_baldwin haleyb that is patch is also for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1602614 | 15:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1602614 in neutron "DVR + L3 HA loss during failover is higher that it is expected" [High,In progress] - Assigned to venkata anil (anil-venkata) | 15:53 |
| * haleyb brings his head out of the sea of reviews to look :) | 15:53 | |
| anilvenkata | one patch for two issues | 15:54 |
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| anilvenkata | kencjohnston, ^ | 15:54 |
| anilvenkata | kevinbenton, ^ | 15:54 |
| jschwarz | haleyb, can I interest you with our Lord and Saviour More-Reviews-Than-You-Can-Ask-For? | 15:55 |
| haleyb | jschwarz: i am glad it is a holiday here Monday, no reviews :) | 15:56 |
| anilvenkata | :) | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | anilvenkata: I'll have another look today. | 15:56 |
| anilvenkata | carl_baldwin, thanks Carl | 15:56 |
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| tidwellr | alright, we're close enough to the end of our time I think we wrap this up | 15:57 |
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| tidwellr | thanks for the good discussion today | 15:58 |
| anilvenkata | thanks all | 15:58 |
| tidwellr | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 1 15:58:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-09-01-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-09-01-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-09-01-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 1 16:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | etoews: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:00 |
| scottda | Hi | 16:00 |
| etoews | #chair cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: cdent | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: elmiko | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
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| etoews | hi scottda ! | 16:01 |
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| etoews | looks like cdent and elmiko aren't around today... | 16:01 |
| scottda | I'm taking over as cinder loading, FYI | 16:01 |
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| scottda | S/loading/liason | 16:01 |
| elmiko | hi | 16:01 |
| etoews | scottda: i saw the review. great news! | 16:02 |
| etoews | thanks for hopping on board | 16:02 |
| elmiko | i'm sorta here, kinda double-booked currently | 16:02 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:03 |
| gouthamr-afk | Hey o/ | 16:03 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:04 |
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| etoews | no action items from last week | 16:04 |
| etoews | #topic open mic | 16:04 |
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| etoews | scottda: any questions or comments? | 16:04 |
| scottda | No, I've tried to keep up with things... | 16:05 |
| scottda | But now I'm on the hook, so I'll pay closer attention | 16:05 |
| etoews | cool. i just workflow+1 that review. welcome! | 16:05 |
| scottda | Thanks. | 16:06 |
| elmiko | welcome aboard =) | 16:06 |
| etoews | gouthamr_: anything from yourself? | 16:06 |
| gouthamr_ | etoews: nope.. Thanks for asking.. | 16:06 |
| gouthamr_ | Welcome scottda! | 16:06 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines | 16:06 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:07 |
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| etoews | i merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346846/ | 16:07 |
| etoews | well damn. we just cleaned house. :) | 16:09 |
| etoews | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:09 |
| etoews | guess our work here is done. openstack's apis are perfect. | 16:10 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:10 |
| * elmiko dusts hands off | 16:10 | |
| * etoews pats self on back | 16:10 | |
| elmiko | hehe =) | 16:11 |
| etoews | #topic APIImpact | 16:11 |
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| elmiko | hahaha! | 16:11 |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 16:11 |
| etoews | :) | 16:11 |
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| etoews | ooooooo...i just noticed this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307675/ | 16:12 |
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| etoews | anything else anyone want to highlight? | 16:14 |
| * etoews eyes the clock and thinks about ending this meeting early | 16:15 | |
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| etoews | #topic bug review | 16:16 |
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| etoews | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg | 16:17 |
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| elmiko | wow, didn't realize we had so many bugs | 16:18 |
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| etoews | most of them came out of all of the TODOs in the specs | 16:18 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:19 |
| etoews | anything in there that people want to highlight or perhaps pickup? | 16:20 |
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| elmiko | if there is something small and menial, i could do that =) | 16:21 |
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| elmiko | like, maybe, https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bug/1614624 | 16:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1614624 in openstack-api-wg "top level caveat about json focus required" [Undecided,New] | 16:22 |
| etoews | small and menial is good. go for it. | 16:22 |
| elmiko | k, assigned myself | 16:23 |
| etoews | i know cdent would be grateful to have that one knocked out ;) | 16:23 |
| elmiko | yeah, plus i think i can make some time for that | 16:23 |
| elmiko | sorry, gotta go high-latency again. brb | 16:23 |
| etoews | good to hear. i just knocked off the links one so i'm gonna pass on picking up anything new for now. | 16:23 |
| etoews | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:24 |
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| etoews | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:24 |
| etoews | i'll do that this week | 16:24 |
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| etoews | i'll leave the meeting open while i work on it so feel free to chat or work away. | 16:25 |
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| elmiko | thanks etoews | 16:29 |
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| elmiko | what's the story with OpenAPI in OpenStack, are we walking back from using that as a medium for expressing APIs? | 16:31 |
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| etoews | ya :( | 16:34 |
| elmiko | that's too bad | 16:34 |
| elmiko | i've been getting tremendous value out of starting with an OpenAPI spec then using that as the discussion point for creating application suites | 16:35 |
| etoews | yep. me too. | 16:35 |
| elmiko | ^5 | 16:35 |
| etoews | tremendous value for testing too. | 16:35 |
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| etoews | it's certainly got its warts in the current version but we've been able to work around them | 16:36 |
| etoews | elmiko: can you please give this a quick once over? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:36 |
| elmiko | agreed, i've started a skunkworks project to generate templated code from a processed openapi spec. it's fun stuff | 16:36 |
| elmiko | yup | 16:36 |
| elmiko | etoews: lgtm | 16:37 |
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| etoews | cool. i'll send it right now. | 16:37 |
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| etoews | sent. | 16:38 |
| elmiko | i'm gonna try to bust our a PR for that bug shortly | 16:39 |
| etoews | great! | 16:39 |
| etoews | if there's nothing else from anyone, i'll wrap it up here. | 16:39 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 16:39 |
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| etoews | alrighty | 16:40 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 16:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 1 16:41:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-09-01-16.00.html | 16:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-09-01-16.00.txt | 16:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-09-01-16.00.log.html | 16:41 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo is travelling right now, so he would most likely be abscent from todays meeting. The question is — do we need one? =) | 16:59 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin sskripnick igormarnat_ ^^^ | 16:59 |
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| sskripnick | i dunno | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I have a status update on my app-dashboard-reorg code, but it's visible in the Mailing List anyway | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sskripnick: anything important you wanted to share? ) | 17:02 |
| sskripnick | I have update too, but nothing to discuss | 17:02 |
| sskripnick | http://r-ci.tk:8100 | 17:02 |
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| sskripnick | here is a lot of new features | 17:02 |
| sskripnick | almost done actuall | 17:02 |
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| sskripnick | e | 17:02 |
| sskripnick | few patches in glare, few patches in app-catalog, and we can deploy | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've got smth to discuss, but need docaedo and kfox for that )) | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | cool | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | really looking forward to adding integration with your work to murano, sadly it'll be ocata | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, since there are only 2 of us and we do not have anything significant to discuss — I suggest to skip the meeting today ) | 17:04 |
| sskripnick | agree | 17:04 |
| igormarnat_ | Hey | 17:05 |
| igormarnat_ | The only question I have is what we still need to do to switch app catalog to new backend | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 1 17:05:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:05 |
| igormarnat_ | Besides "work items" here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/app-catalog/+spec/glare-work | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, let's do it the formal way ) | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Updates | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/app-catalog/+spec/glare-work | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sskripnick: can you comment on igormarnat_'s questions ) | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | from my side | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/102712.html | 17:07 |
| sskripnick | yes, I need to finish all work items in glare-work blueprint. also we need at least to patches in glare | 17:07 |
| sskripnick | first one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360001/ | 17:08 |
| sskripnick | and second one is in progress | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | plan to figure all things when docaedo returns and ping kfox to make sure we agree on the same structure. ETA next week =) | 17:08 |
| sskripnick | second patch is about 'latest_version' filter | 17:08 |
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| sskripnick | thats it | 17:09 |
| igormarnat_ | sskripnick: Sergey, puppet folks told me that there is some dependency which blocks them from finishing work and this work is being done by you and you ETA is about 2-3 weeks | 17:10 |
| igormarnat_ | Is that correct? | 17:10 |
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| sskripnick | We decided to go with temporary packages on pypi (openstack_app_catalog and glare_dev) | 17:12 |
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| sskripnick | So they are not quiet blocked | 17:12 |
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| igormarnat_ | Are temporary packages already available or someone works on them? | 17:13 |
| sskripnick | yes they both are available, and we have good progress with openstack_app_catalog | 17:14 |
| sskripnick | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359029/ | 17:14 |
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| igormarnat_ | So puppet folks can complete their work very soon, nothing blocks them? | 17:14 |
| sbanka | Hi Sergey. Was Bartek informed about these packages? | 17:14 |
| sskripnick | here is patch made by him ^ | 17:15 |
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| sskripnick | the patch above is based on openstack_app_catalog temporary package | 17:15 |
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| sskripnick | and Peter was informed about glare_dev package | 17:15 |
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| sskripnick | I can inform Bartosz as well | 17:16 |
| sbanka | yes.. and he is working on manifests now. | 17:16 |
| sbanka | Please provide Bartosz access to temporary packages so he can make necessary changes in manifests. | 17:17 |
| sskripnick | sure | 17:17 |
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| sbanka | Sergey, what about this change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337633/ | 17:19 |
| sbanka | When do you expect to land this? | 17:19 |
| sskripnick | I need to finish work items ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/app-catalog/+spec/glare-work ) | 17:20 |
| sskripnick | but i'd like to split this patch. here is the first one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363139/ | 17:21 |
| sskripnick | sbanka: ^ | 17:21 |
| sbanka | I’ll ask Bartosz to sync with you on this. He states he cannot merge his part unless you merge ^^^. | 17:22 |
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| sskripnick | I wanted to sync with him today -_- | 17:24 |
| sskripnick | during this meeting | 17:24 |
| sskripnick | ok we can sync later on irc | 17:24 |
| sbanka | he is joining | 17:25 |
| sbanka | moment | 17:25 |
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| zynzel | o/ | 17:26 |
| sskripnick | hiyo | 17:26 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | the meeting is suddenly big and lively =) | 17:26 |
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| mfedosin | it's a blackout here | 17:27 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin: that's why I'm WFH the outage was planned ;) | 17:27 |
| mfedosin | I'm sitting with a candle in my hand | 17:27 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sskripnick: sbanka: zynzel: so you're all here you can sync on the status of the packages and commits and see what we need to merge and in what order | 17:28 |
| sbanka | Bartek. Plase comment on what you need to have merged before you can merge your commits. | 17:29 |
| zynzel | yep, puppet automation is prepared base on https://github.com/redixin/app-catalog/tree/dev afaik (i use openstack-app-catalog package from pypi) | 17:29 |
| sskripnick | can we deploy something like staging.apps.openstack.org first? | 17:30 |
| sskripnick | and later just switch to new instance? | 17:30 |
| zynzel | sskripnick: app-catalog part is +/- ready, if you provide working glare_endpoint we can deploy testbed | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | so, it was a sarcasm about big and lively meeting :) | 17:30 |
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| sskripnick | zynzel: glare should be deployed on the same node | 17:31 |
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| zynzel | sskripnick: ok, but we still lack of automation for glare | 17:31 |
| zynzel | sskripnick: so we can deploy glare manualy, and app-catalog from puppet | 17:32 |
| sskripnick | zynzel: there is a package glare_dev on pypi | 17:32 |
| zynzel | sskripnick: yep, from pypi package is one thing, and puppet manifest to deploy whole glare is another | 17:32 |
| zynzel | and manifests for glare are not ready | 17:32 |
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| sskripnick | app_catalog itself it not ready too. so we all need some more time to finish | 17:33 |
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| zynzel | sskripnick: so imho we should backport redixin/app-catalog/tree/dev to master + merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337633/ | 17:33 |
| zynzel | i hope that after this we will have glare automation ready, and we can deploy staging.apps.openstack.org | 17:34 |
| sskripnick | if we merge it, current app-catlog site will be broken, right? | 17:34 |
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| sskripnick | because jenkins will try to deploy new version, which wont work without glare, memcached, etc | 17:35 |
| kzaitsev_mb | let's see if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337633/ can be just merged and wouldn't break existing app-catalog | 17:35 |
| zynzel | we need to confirm this with infra folks | 17:35 |
| sskripnick | it can't. i can try to figure out how to fit both versions in one tree | 17:35 |
| zynzel | imho we should disable auto-deploy of app-catalog during moving from old app catalog to new one | 17:36 |
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| sskripnick | but if we disable it, we will not be able to merge updates to assets.yaml | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | from the looks of it it would require at lest memcached to be deployed somewhere so naturally it would break current site, or am I wrong? | 17:36 |
| sskripnick | i mean we will be able to merge, but it wont be updated on app-catalog site | 17:36 |
| zynzel | hmm, so maybe we can create branch in appcatalog, named 'glare-support' | 17:37 |
| zynzel | merge everything there | 17:37 |
| sskripnick | kzaitsev_mb: you are right. in my patch I've just removed old code | 17:37 |
| zynzel | deploy staging.app., test | 17:37 |
| zynzel | backport branch glare-support to master | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | feature branches in OS are usually a bad thing, but in this case this looks like a solution | 17:38 |
| zynzel | switch apps.openstack.org to new staging.apps | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #idea merge sskripnick glare work to glare-support branch, to unlock puppet work | 17:38 |
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| sskripnick | is this necessary? can we deploy without code merged? | 17:39 |
| sskripnick | we only need pypi packages | 17:39 |
| zynzel | kzaitsev_mb: puppet work is not blocked, as i use packages created from https://github.com/redixin/app-catalog/tree/dev | 17:40 |
| sskripnick | btw we can't merge updates to puppet manifests for the same reason | 17:40 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, wrong wording ) | 17:41 |
| zynzel | yeah, we cant update system-config (manifests used by infra team), because mismatch in app-catalog version :) | 17:41 |
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| zynzel | so we need do all those changes available in same time (puppet for app-catalog, puppet for infra, app-catalog source code) | 17:41 |
| sskripnick | IMO safest solution is new repository for new app-catalog manifests | 17:41 |
| sskripnick | and deploy everything on new node | 17:42 |
| sskripnick | and switch app-catalog to it later | 17:42 |
| sskripnick | zero downtime | 17:42 |
| zynzel | sskripnick: yeah, but new repo will be overkill | 17:42 |
| zynzel | if we can use branch | 17:42 |
| kzaitsev_mb | +1 to zynzel =) seems like an overkill | 17:43 |
| zynzel | i will talk tomorrow with infra guys, and ask them about this | 17:43 |
| zynzel | maybe they have some kind of procedure for cases like this | 17:43 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action zynzel talk to infra about procedure to update a.o.o seamlesly | 17:44 |
| kzaitsev_mb | if you don't mind =) | 17:44 |
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| zynzel | sure, i already planned it :) | 17:44 |
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| zynzel | so i have 1 question, do anybody have anything against changes introduced in https://github.com/redixin/app-catalog/tree/dev? | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, so current plan is to have a branch for new puppets/code, use it to deploy staging, then switch staging to main a.o.o, right? | 17:46 |
| zynzel | i ask sskripnick for many things, to make puppet manifest working corectly | 17:46 |
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| zynzel | kzaitsev_mb: yes, and after switching staging to a.o.o we need to merge our custom branches to master | 17:47 |
| sskripnick | zynzel: We need to backport all this changes and ask app-catalog-cores to review it | 17:47 |
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| sskripnick | i dont think they will review on github | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_mb | yeah, looking at github is hard =) | 17:47 |
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| sskripnick | as for me, github is much better then gerrit %) | 17:48 |
| zynzel | so we need to prepare gerrit changes which will cover all things we fix in app-catalog ;) | 17:48 |
| zynzel | for core-reviewers | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_mb | true, after all gerrit is the source of truth | 17:49 |
| sskripnick | zynzel: yep. except of changes in package name. we will need to change package name in puppet later (openstack_cap_catalog -> openstack_catalog) | 17:49 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sounds like we have a plan =) | 17:51 |
| zynzel | yep :) | 17:52 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, thanks for your participation today, please keep us updated in #openstack-app-catalog pls if there would be any suggestions from infra folks ) | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | yep, thanks :) | 17:56 |
| zynzel | kzaitsev_mb: sure i already ping Igor Shishkin | 17:56 |
| zynzel | when i get anything new, i will share progress on #o-a-c | 17:56 |
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| sskripnick | thanks. bye | 17:57 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 1 17:57:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-09-01-17.05.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-09-01-17.05.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-09-01-17.05.log.html | 17:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ivar-laz_ igordcard: hi | 18:00 |
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| ivar-laz_ | hi | 18:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 1 18:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
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| songole | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Sept_1st_2016 | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi | 18:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | quite a few bugs have been reported over the last week | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am guessing these have surfaced from the NFP related testing | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1617873 | 18:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1617873 in Group Based Policy "Liberty Devstack installation failure" [Undecided,New] | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: do you know if vikash was able to make progress? | 18:03 |
| tbachman | FYI — I saw this before | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: aha | 18:03 |
| tbachman | I’m trying to remember what fixed it | 18:04 |
| tbachman | It may have been just pulling a newer version of devstack/repos | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: to me it seemed like a devstack issue not GBP specific | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: right | 18:04 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: okay cool | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1619129 | 18:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1619129 in Group Based Policy "PRS is not detached when PTG update with that PRS failed" [Undecided,New] | 18:04 |
| songole | i will check with him. Is this on Juno? | 18:04 |
| songole | sorry, bug says liberty | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: on the second one: 1619129 | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | seems like a basic thing, i am surprised that this was not caught before | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and i am concerned that its a regression | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: is it the observation that PRS update does not happen at all for a PTG? | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: dont mean to put you on the spot, I can post the question on the reported bug in case you are not aware | 18:07 |
| songole | It was just reported. I will find out. | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay | 18:07 |
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| songole | on the liberty issue with devstack | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1615033 | 18:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1615033 in Group Based Policy "Router interface corresponding to subnet of a PTG is not added to L3P router in explicit flow" [Undecided,New] | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: go ahead | 18:08 |
| songole | vikash tried the 2nd time, and it worked. So, he was able to make progress | 18:08 |
| songole | we could probably close it | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ok good, if he can respond/update/close the bug it will be good | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regarding, 1615033 (^^^) do you know which policy drivers are being used | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: is this still an issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1605614 ? | 18:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1605614 in Group Based Policy "Nova client v2 can't be used directly." [Undecided,New] | 18:11 |
| * tbachman goes to look at bug.. | 18:12 | |
| * igordcard was on the walk, says hi | 18:13 | |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: I think this was fixed by another commit | 18:13 |
| tbachman | maybe it was rkukura’s backport of his fix to tox.ini? | 18:13 |
| tbachman | (to add requirements) | 18:13 |
| * SumitNaiksatam hopes igordcard enjoyed his walk ;-) | 18:13 | |
| * tbachman wish he had a better memory | 18:13 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: aha, its the one from 7/22, i confused it as being created in aug | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: yeah its the same one, nevermind | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the rest of the bugs seem to be enhancements to made for NFP (as followup to review comments) | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hopefully those enhancements will happen at some time :-) | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other critical bugs or pending patches that anyone would like to bring up before we move on? | 18:15 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, most are done. need to update and close them | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: sweet! | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: it will be helpful if the bugs being fixed are referred to in the commit messages, that way they will be closed automatically when the merge happens | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: same patch can address multiple bugs | 18:17 |
| songole | ok | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok mving one | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: thanks | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi | 18:17 |
| rkukura | hi - nothing new from me on this | 18:17 |
| * tbachman wonders if rkukura is going to change his NIC to “packaging" | 18:18 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything to discuss with regards to the new RH proposed schedule that came up in the discussion yesterday? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: lol! | 18:18 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I don’t think we are ready to talk about that | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | TPG - the packaging guru! | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, i was wondering if we needed to get anything ready from that perspective | 18:19 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Did you have an email conversation about packages? | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh one note on that front - the packaging repo is now public and open for collaboration: #link https://github.com/group-policy/gbp-packages | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: no i dont | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if you want to add any new packaging specs, support new distros, or make changes to existing to specs, please send a pull request to the above repo | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ping me if you face any issues | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Testing | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | our stable/juno branch was breaking in the upstream gate | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks to ivar-laz_ who figured out that this was due to the tests now running on xenial | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | apicapi was pulling a ssl package on xenial that was not matchich what other openstack juno libs were expecting | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am bringing this up so that if you see a similar wierd issue in the future, be sure to run your tests on xenial in your local env (and you might see that it behaves differently than your trusted trusty!) | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Tags for GBP resources | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there is no spec for this yet | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but the basic idea is to do what is being already done in Neutron for the network resource: | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/networking-guide/ops-resource-tags.html | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the tags will not be interpreted by the GBP API or plugin layer, and will be relayed to the driver | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the policy driver can make finer granularity policy decisions based on the tags | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the initial plan is to introduce this only for the PT resource | 18:27 |
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| songole | what is the use case for tags? | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will post a spec, but i wanted to get the thought cycles going on this | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: microsegmentation has been suggested as one use case | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: and is applicable in the context of applying tags on PTs | 18:28 |
| songole | neutron network doesn't map to PT,right? | 18:29 |
| songole | or the other way.. | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: no, PT maps to a port | 18:30 |
| ivar-laz_ | SumitNaiksatam: are these tags or labels? | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hence its microsegmentation, not segmentation :-) | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-laz_: in my mind, tags, labels, same difference | 18:30 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: Is neutron providing it on ports as well? | 18:30 |
| ivar-laz_ | Who is going to understand them? Top layer orchestration or southbound drivers? | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: no | 18:31 |
| ivar-laz_ | SumitNaiksatam: in my mind Tags are usually interpreted by top level orchestration, there's no enforcement of them in the datapath | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-laz_: that is up for discussion, but in the initial “exploratory” cut, the semantics are applied by the drivers | 18:31 |
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| ivar-laz_ | SumitNaiksatam: I see... That is an API backdoor though | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-laz_: in this case, the definition of tags is similar to the way Neutron defines it, in that Neutron really does not interpret these | 18:32 |
| ivar-laz_ | SumitNaiksatam: If Neutron doesn't interpret the tags, then the drivers shouldn't as well, right? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-laz_: i think they had similar discussions and concerns in neutron as well | 18:33 |
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| ivar-laz_ | I haven't read the spec though, I'll give a look | 18:33 |
| ivar-laz_ | If you think of APIC tags for example, they are purely for northbound users to understand... They make no impact on the datapath | 18:33 |
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| ivar-laz_ | But if the drivers are going to interpret them, they are basically a free-of-charge API extension layer | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-laz_: as course of evolution these tags would be defined in GBP itself and would have semantics | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-laz_: i wouldnt go that far | 18:34 |
| ivar-laz_ | A generic key-value storage that is interpreted by the drivers for changing datapath semantics, sounds like putting extra info in the description fields | 18:35 |
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| ivar-laz_ | But I'll look at the Neutron spec, maybe I'm just imagining the wrong thing | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-laz_: like i said, as patch of evolution we be defining the tags in GBP as well, the initial goal is to extend support for the Neutron feature to GBP | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | patch -> path | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other thoughts? | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Application Policy Group | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339272 | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | posted this a while back but i am guessing not too many people had a chance to review this | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the idea is pretty simple, a grouping construct on top of PTGs | 18:39 |
| rkukura | does this effect the behaviour of anything? | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but this enables adding policies to applications in the future | 18:40 |
| rkukura | if not, why could the tags be used for the same purpose? | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: it doesnt in the current scheme of things, only something that is aware of the APG can make use of it | 18:40 |
| rkukura | s/could/couldn’t/ | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: could be, but this provides a more concrete construct by way of resource model and API | 18:41 |
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| rkukura | I’ll read the spec to see why this is required | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, thanks | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any other thoughts/comments on this? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything else anyone wants to bring up today? | 18:44 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: NFP patches are posted for review | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: right | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/gbp-network-services-framework | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the open patches | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure if anyone else had a chance to look at these | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: but if you and hemanthravi think they are fine, i am okay with proceeding with these since they are almost entirely contained to the NFP subsystem of the project | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else have any objections? | 18:47 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please chime in here or on the reviews | 18:47 |
| rkukura | no objection, but will at least try to skim through them over the next few days | 18:47 |
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| songole | rkukura: thanks | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: great thanks! | 18:49 |
| * tbachman notes he has a hard cutoff at noon PDT | 18:49 | |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: sure, your wish is our command | 18:49 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: lol | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, thanks all for joining, and the discussion! | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 18:49 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: l8r! | 18:49 |
| igordcard | bye | 18:49 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | happy long weekend! | 18:49 |
| songole | bye | 18:49 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye! | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 1 18:50:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-09-01-18.01.html | 18:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-09-01-18.01.txt | 18:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-09-01-18.01.log.html | 18:50 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting auc | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 1 19:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: auc)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'auc' | 19:00 |
| shamail | Hi everyone, who's here today? | 19:01 |
| MeganR | Hi | 19:01 |
| maishsk | o/ | 19:01 |
| maishsk | Hello All | 19:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 19:01 |
| maishsk | long time no see | 19:01 |
| * ildikov is lurking :) | 19:01 | |
| shamail | :) ! | 19:01 |
| shamail | Yeah, it's been a while maishsk | 19:01 |
| shamail | #chair maishk | 19:02 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: maishk | 19:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: maishk shamail | 19:02 |
| maishsk | #chair maishsk | 19:02 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/AUCRecognition#Meeting_Information | 19:02 |
| shamail | #chair maishsk | 19:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: maishk maishsk shamail | 19:02 |
| shamail | Sorry | 19:02 |
| SWDevAngel | Lisa is here. | 19:02 |
| maishsk | np | 19:02 |
| shamail | #topic Review Ops Meetup AUC feedback | 19:02 |
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| shamail | Hi SWDevAngel | 19:03 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-AUC | 19:03 |
| SWDevAngel | Hello my dear friend. :) | 19:03 |
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| shamail | MeganR, ildikov, SWDevAngel, and I were at Ops meetup and we discussed AUC with operators to get feedback on other ways we could capture their contributions | 19:04 |
| shamail | The etherpad has some of the ideas that were brought up | 19:04 |
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| shamail | Do we foresee any of them being simple to implement and, therefore, expand the criteria for the first batch of AUCs? | 19:05 |
| * maishsk skims over the etherpad | 19:05 | |
| SWDevAngel | FYI, gonna be driving for 15 mins. Can check etherpad and will be more active after that. | 19:06 |
| maishsk | Add my comments there - or here? | 19:06 |
| shamail | I really like the suggestion about Women of OpenStack but it would probably have to be organizers or active participants. I am certain others might already be eligible for AUC based on activities. | 19:06 |
| shamail | I think here would be good maishsk | 19:06 |
| MeganR | I need to reach out to the WOS, agree that will be a great addition | 19:06 |
| shamail | We should at least contact the WOO team to ask whether it makes sense for them to become a UC WG | 19:07 |
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| MeganR | shamail +1 | 19:07 |
| maishsk | So Mailing list - I would say no - How do we quantify this? As helpful ? active ? useful | 19:07 |
| shamail | #action MeganR will contact WOO | 19:07 |
| shamail | maishsk: +1, that's a difficult one | 19:07 |
| maishsk | Openstack-vagrant provider - should come under OSOps contribution - dont think it needs to be seperate | 19:08 |
| shamail | MeganR: can you try to close the WOO discussion (for this cycle) in the next week or so please? | 19:08 |
| maishsk | WOO - as long as they are active participants - just being there - I do not think warrants | 19:08 |
| maishsk | The same for people who attend meetups | 19:08 |
| MeganR | shamail: I'll send an email, but we won't meet again until 9/12 | 19:08 |
| shamail | maishsk: this was brought up as an example of complimentary tools that are on independent repositories outside of OpenStack | 19:08 |
| shamail | MeganR: our next meeting is 9/8 I believe but please feel free to email as well | 19:09 |
| maishsk | shamail: Works for me | 19:09 |
| MeganR | maishsk: can we look at treating the Women of OpenStack as a "work group" in which we are mainly tracking active participation | 19:10 |
| shamail | maishsk: the conversation about WOO is focused on active participants... We realized that the team is not under TC or UC at the moment so they wouldn't get counted on either side | 19:10 |
| maishsk | MeganR: shamail: agree to both the statements :) | 19:10 |
| maishsk | People who travelled and attended ops meetups - I would say no | 19:10 |
| maishsk | or a really big maybe | 19:11 |
| shamail | maishsk: this was brought up by Tom... He was acknowledging that these people dedicated at least 2 whole days to focus on operator needs | 19:11 |
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| maishsk | Why would they be any different to someone who attends an OpenSTack summit | 19:11 |
| shamail | And join the conversation (Ops meetups are not successful otherwise) | 19:11 |
| shamail | Fair point, I think the difference is that we know for certain these people are using OpenStack and their feedback gets collected during these events but not documented | 19:12 |
| shamail | I can see your point as well maishsk | 19:13 |
| maishsk | Openstack summits - people fork out cash | 19:13 |
| maishsk | more than an ops summit | 19:13 |
| shamail | This was suggested since AUC count is pretty low overall still | 19:13 |
| maishsk | it is longer than 2 days | 19:13 |
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| shamail | Yep. | 19:13 |
| shamail | We can defer this one | 19:13 |
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| shamail | Anyone else have a different point of view? | 19:14 |
| maishsk | Case Studies - who initiates them? | 19:14 |
| maishsk | the foundation? | 19:14 |
| maishsk | for what purpose? | 19:14 |
| shamail | Normally the foundation or sometimes users | 19:14 |
| shamail | For highlighting OpenStack success stories and best practices that work | 19:14 |
| MeganR | I would be curious to know how many of the people that attended the mid-cycle would already fall under TC or AUC, since the majority are active in the community. | 19:14 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 19:14 |
| mrhillsman | sorry so late | 19:15 |
| shamail | MeganR: I can try to determine that but I don't know if they will share attendee list | 19:15 |
| shamail | Hi mrhillsman | 19:15 |
| maishsk | So I agree - it will be hard to quantify - who gets the AUC - as a result of a case study - becuase usually it will be a marketing representative who speaks to the foundation | 19:15 |
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| shamail | It's usually technical and business leaders (not marketing) | 19:15 |
| MeganR | shamail: that makes sense, and is understandable - not trying to create more work for you :) | 19:15 |
| maishsk | Ops meetup sponsor - we spoke about this if I remember - can recall what we decided | 19:15 |
| shamail | We generally try to get something substantial | 19:15 |
| shamail | The AUC is trying to capture activities that we want to encourage in the community and more success stories seem beneficial. That is why they were proposed | 19:16 |
| maishsk | code review / bug reports | 19:16 |
| shamail | It's really no different than a superuser article | 19:16 |
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| maishsk | So I would like to see this - in - again it is just a matter of how this can be quantified | 19:17 |
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| shamail | That's another hard one maishsk... My take is that code reviews/bug reports are subjective (I could easily review something just to be AUC without providing an objective view) | 19:17 |
| maishsk | And also how to measure that the contribution is meaningful - and not just someone making noise | 19:17 |
| maishsk | shamail: my thoughts exactly | 19:17 |
| shamail | Secondly, I would think ATC should encourage this as well. | 19:18 |
| maishsk | Refstack Test Results - not familiar - can someone explain? | 19:18 |
| shamail | MeganR: np, ill try :) | 19:18 |
| shamail | Organizations submit RefStack results to validate their OpenStack implementations follow interoperability guidelines. | 19:19 |
| shamail | Generally executing these tests is time consuming and everyone benefits from the data that is (anonymously) collected | 19:19 |
| maishsk | Again - who get’s status - I would assume that those who actually make the time and effort to contribute this info - is already active in some other way? | 19:19 |
| shamail | RefStack is a tool for validating OpenStack clouds against established interoperability guidelines (in a nutshell) | 19:20 |
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| maishsk | or am I wrong to assume? | 19:20 |
| shamail | Based on feedback so far, I would say that is not normally the case | 19:20 |
| shamail | These are usually QA teams in the organization who don't get to participate in other upstream activities normally due to limited cycles | 19:20 |
| ildikov | I don't think either, I mean there are several companies using and testing OpenStack, but not really active in the community so far | 19:21 |
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| ildikov | either QA teams or operators from different segments | 19:21 |
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| maishsk | So if we can find a way to wauntify who gets the recognition for this - I think this would be a good addition | 19:21 |
| maishsk | Recognize people who share best practices - Sharing how? How do we quantify? | 19:22 |
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| shamail | maishsk: this might be captured by Superuser, case study, or OSOps contributions | 19:22 |
| shamail | It feels like a duplicate | 19:23 |
| * maishsk is going shut up now - and let us continue with the agenda - can get back to each point later - if need be - or I will add it to the etherpad | 19:23 | |
| maishsk | shamail: I would agree | 19:23 |
| shamail | Please don't, this is a good discussion :) | 19:23 |
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| shamail | Anything else? So far (please correct me if I'm wrong) the list of activities we would want to add based on this feedback is: WOO as a WG, RefStack submission, case studies. | 19:24 |
| shamail | We deferred on attending ops meet up, bug reports/code reviews, and sharing best practices | 19:24 |
| maishsk | SDK developers - wouldn’t these be covered under the big tent? | 19:25 |
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| ildikov | I like the initial list, I would guess we can always extend it | 19:25 |
| shamail | Unfortunately, no. Most SDKs are outside the OpenStack namespace (with the exception of shade) | 19:25 |
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| shamail | ildikov: absolutely, Barcelona is just the first pass :) | 19:25 |
| maishsk | Folks within organization who assist but would otherwise not pursue AUC - so this would be covered by nominations to a comittee (like the extra ATC) | 19:25 |
| shamail | maishsk: +1 | 19:26 |
| maishsk | ildikov: +1 | 19:26 |
| maishsk | I think that is all from me on the list | 19:26 |
| ildikov | shamail: coolio! :) | 19:26 |
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| shamail | Thanks maishsk | 19:27 |
| shamail | I have to drop off soon... Would you like to continue the meeting and move to agenda #2? | 19:27 |
| shamail | Or do we want to regroup next week? | 19:27 |
| maishsk | shamail: sure | 19:27 |
| maishsk | So just to summarize | 19:27 |
| shamail | Awesome, thanks! | 19:27 |
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| maishsk | And ask your thoughts - should we leave these additional items for expansion for the next pass? | 19:28 |
| maishsk | i.e. after Barcelona? | 19:28 |
| shamail | I think a lot of the ones we agreed on are fairly easy to add and we can maybe pursue them even before Barcelona | 19:28 |
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| shamail | I'll be glad to help with case studies and RefStack | 19:29 |
| shamail | Megan volunteered for WOO | 19:29 |
| maishsk | #action shamail will pursue adding case studies and Refstack to eligible criteria for AUC | 19:29 |
| maishsk | MeganR: I see that you already got the action above - not going to repeat :) | 19:30 |
| MeganR | :) | 19:30 |
| shamail | I'll catch up on the rest of the meeting later | 19:31 |
| maishsk | #action maishsk will look into the support SDK and project outside OpenStack | 19:31 |
| maishsk | Let’s move on | 19:31 |
| shamail | Context: Tom would like the list of AUCs for Barcelona in the next 2-3 weeks so we should build a plan to finish our work | 19:31 |
| shamail | See you later! | 19:31 |
| maishsk | #topic Develop plan to close out WG in next 2-3 weeks | 19:31 |
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| maishsk | if we look at the milestones on the Wiki we have to complete 4+5 and prepare a readout. | 19:32 |
| maishsk | I think that the work for 4+5 are complete - we just have to finalise | 19:33 |
| MeganR | +1 | 19:33 |
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| maishsk | so for 4 - I think we just need to write this up in presentable way | 19:33 |
| maishsk | I can take that one | 19:33 |
| MeganR | great - thank you | 19:34 |
| maishsk | #action maishsk compile a concise list of metrics for eligibility | 19:34 |
| maishsk | 5 - review board | 19:34 |
| maishsk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-m5-output | 19:34 |
| maishsk | If anyone has any addiitonal comments on this one? | 19:35 |
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| MeganR | We had previously discussed that the review board should be the UC, and it will be their decision to identify anyone additional. | 19:35 |
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| maishsk | Only UC ? | 19:36 |
| MeganR | and their decision if they want additional personnel to review | 19:37 |
| maishsk | How many people currently on the UC - 3? | 19:37 |
| maishsk | 4? | 19:37 |
| MeganR | yes | 19:37 |
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| maishsk | Personlly I would like to that a larger forum of people decide on this | 19:38 |
| maishsk | not only just the 3 | 19:38 |
| MeganR | I think we can make the recommendation - what number are you thinking of? | 19:38 |
| maishsk | in the link above I mentioned | 19:38 |
| maishsk | 3 members of the UC as board members. | 19:39 |
| maishsk | 2 current AUC's | 19:39 |
| maishsk | 1 TC member | 19:39 |
| maishsk | 1 Openstack Employee (Foundation) | 19:39 |
| maishsk | 2 AUC community leads (ambassadors,WG chairs, Ask Openstack Mods, Meetup organizers) | 19:39 |
| MeganR | right, but who makes the decision on the additional individuals, the UC? | 19:40 |
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| SWDevAngel | Hi, sorry to be late on this. Back on line now and trying to catch up with the thread (y'all type fast). For the Ops Summit vs OpenStack Summit, I agree they are different. And also, many people self-funded to get to the the ops summit which shows an extra level of dedication and willingness to participate. | 19:40 |
| maishsk | diverse commitee - majority decision | 19:40 |
| SWDevAngel | Also, for WOS I'm meeting with Ildiko and Nithya in about a week to discuss this, among other things. Ildiko and I will have more to report back after then. | 19:40 |
| maishsk | SWDevAngel: Thanks | 19:41 |
| SWDevAngel | And yes, Megan should bring it up at the next meeting, although with the cross-section we get on there, it might not be the best forum to discuss it (might not have the same level of understanding) | 19:41 |
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| * maishsk appologizes but I have to drop in 8 miutes as well | 19:42 | |
| maishsk | MeganR: What do think regarding the numbers? | 19:42 |
| maishsk | remember this is for people who do fit under the regular criteria - similar to the Extra ATC | 19:42 |
| maishsk | who do not * | 19:43 |
| MeganR | maishsk: I think that is a good recommendation - not certain who will make the decision on the 6 people outside of the UC | 19:44 |
| maishsk | So let’s write up the recommendation - again concise and short - to prepare fo rthe final readout | 19:44 |
| maishsk | Any takers? | 19:45 |
| maishsk | ok then | 19:45 |
| maishsk | #action maishsk compile a concise list of recommendations for a review board for ‘Extra AUC’ | 19:46 |
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| MeganR | sorry - I am still catching up on a couple of other items | 19:46 |
| maishsk | :) | 19:46 |
| MeganR | thank you for taking that action! | 19:46 |
| maishsk | I woul dprepare them for next weeks meeting | 19:46 |
| maishsk | (hopefully before) | 19:46 |
| maishsk | would=will | 19:47 |
| maishsk | From there we can prepare the final readout | 19:47 |
| MeganR | sounds good | 19:47 |
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| maishsk | share with committee and deem this WG a huge success | 19:47 |
| MeganR | that is a great plan! | 19:48 |
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| maishsk | (we previously agreed that milestone 7 should be removed) | 19:48 |
| MeganR | yes | 19:48 |
| maishsk | One last action that I will give to shamail | 19:49 |
| maishsk | #action shamail will coordinate a readout to the UC | 19:50 |
| maishsk | perhaps invite them to participate in the WG meeting in two/3 weeks to close out the WG | 19:50 |
| MeganR | sounds good - I like that timeframe | 19:50 |
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| maishsk | I have to drop - so please attend to your actions | 19:51 |
| maishsk | and see you all next week | 19:51 |
| MeganR | bye | 19:51 |
| maishsk | #endmeeting | 19:51 |
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