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SridarK_Hi FWaaS folks04:00
njohnston#startmeeting fwaas04:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug 31 04:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is njohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.04:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fwaas)"04:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'fwaas'04:00
njohnstonHi everyone!04:00
yushiroHi all!04:00
njohnston#chair SridarK_ xgerman yushiro04:00
openstackCurrent chairs: SridarK_ njohnston xgerman yushiro04:00
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yushironjohnston: thanks04:00
SridarK_Hi All - we can try to run thru quickly as we are almost there04:00
njohnstonSridarK_: The floor is yours.04:01
SridarK_firstly thanks to everyone to pull together to get a whole hunk of things merged04:01
SridarK_njohnston: thx04:01
SridarK_#topic FWaaS v2 - L3 Agent extension refactor04:02
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SridarK_njohnston: pls go ahead04:02
njohnston#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355576/ FWaaS L3 agent patch04:02
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njohnstonSo here is what we have been working on - mainly SridarK this evening04:03
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njohnstonwith much support from chandanc_ during the day04:03
njohnstonAt this point, we have determined that the L3 agent is loading the FWaaS extension04:03
chandanc_+104:03
SridarK_+104:03
SridarK_i can see the __init__ of the right class04:03
SridarK_that is greate04:04
SridarK_*great04:04
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njohnstonBut the FWaaS agent extension is not receiving the firewall rule and firewall group updates04:04
njohnstonAfter going back to the drawing board, we figured out that the reason for this is because there were not specific mechanisms set aside to forward them from the L3 agent04:04
njohnstonPreviously we didn't need to worry about this; because FWaaS managed to be both ancestor and descendant L3NATagent class so the FWaaS code was in charge and was listening to whatever we wanted.04:05
njohnstonSo the idea on the table is this04:06
njohnston1. Change the RPC topic for firewall_* updates coming from neutron server to l3 agent to something like 'L3_FWAAS'04:06
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njohnston2. Add code to the initialization of the FWaaS agent extension that subscribes to that RPC topic.  After all it is still in the same running executable as the L3 agent, it's just a separate object.  But it still has access to that facility.04:07
njohnstonthen we can see firewall_* updates coming in through that facility, but we will also see the regular router status updates coming in via the l3 agent extension04:08
SridarK_+104:08
njohnstonSridarK_ has been working on some POC code, as has mfranc21304:08
njohnstonSridarK_: Did that pretty well cover it?04:08
SridarK_yes absolutely njohnston04:08
SarathMekalaSounds good +104:09
chandanc_ok got it04:09
SridarK_so interestingly, (1) is simple enough04:09
SridarK_and (2) as well - but at some point the brain plays tricks on u :-)04:09
chandanc_:) +104:09
SridarK_thx to mfranc213 for looking over my shoulder - just need to debug this a bit04:10
SridarK_chandanc_: may be we can continue as it is really late for njohnston & mfranc21304:11
chandanc_sure04:11
SridarK_i think once we have this in we are good04:11
chandanc_ya04:11
SridarK_njohnston: anything else u want to add on this04:12
SridarK_njohnston: also #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357503 (the neutron piece) is almost ready to get in04:13
yushironjohnston, SridarK_ : on L3, are you going to implement (1)?04:14
SridarK_yushiro: yes just testing that04:15
SridarK_(1) as such is just changing the topic04:15
SridarK_ok if nothing else lets move on04:16
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SridarK_lets come back to it in open discussion04:16
chandanc_SridarK_, does it me we will need change to the fwaas plugin for the RPC topic ?04:17
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njohnstonNope04:17
njohnstonShall we talk about the other patches in motion?04:17
njohnston#topic Other patches04:17
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njohnstonOK, that's wierd, I got nothing for a long time, then my program crashed and it sent the things from when I heard nothing04:17
SridarK_njohnston: ok - i was awaiting a response from u04:17
SridarK_and began to sense that something odd was going with ur connectivity04:18
chandanc_IRC is non responsive :(04:18
njohnstonSo yes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357503 has one +2, just waiting for another one04:18
SridarK_hopefully we will get that in soon tomorrow04:18
njohnstonand the other patch that I think is getting a lot of attention right now is yushiro's client patch04:19
SridarK_yes lets get to that04:19
njohnston#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351582/ client patch04:19
yushironjohnston: Yes. I updated yesterday midnight.04:19
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SridarK_yushiro: i started looking too - i think u just need the Jenkins failure to be addressed04:20
njohnstonI agree, I was looking at the jenkins failures since that looks like the main thing in the way04:20
yushiroSridarK_: Yes. However, UT is not completed..04:21
SridarK_yushiro: oh ok04:21
njohnstonah04:21
SridarK_yushiro: will u be done soon04:21
SridarK_i think tomorrow is the last day04:21
SridarK_Since Akihiro is looking at it - i am hoping once we are good - it will go thru quickly04:22
yushiroYes, so I need help to review and UTs.04:22
SridarK_could u pls be in sync with him as well04:22
yushiroSridarK_: yes, I'll do it after finishing this meeting.04:22
njohnstonyushiro: Would you like help debugging the UTs, or are they still under construction?04:23
yushironjohnston: hmm, I think they are debugging UTs.04:24
njohnstonok04:24
yushiroAnd now, I got up early and trying to fix UTs.04:24
njohnstonThe other patch that is needed is the policy.json changes, which I don't think have gotten a lot of attention.  But they are the required complement to the client patch04:26
njohnston#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355755/ policy.json patch04:26
njohnstonI'll see if I can drum up reviews for this tomorrow04:26
SridarK_njohnston: yes, i think that looked to be straightfwd04:26
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SridarK_i think these are the critical ones we are looking at04:27
yushiroOK.  Thanks.04:27
SridarK_for tomorrow04:27
SridarK_On L2, i think a good chunk of the work is done from the FWaaS perspective04:28
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SridarK_we will still need to move fwd on the neutron side patches for peaceful coexistence with SG04:28
chandanc_yes04:28
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SridarK_we discussed this earlier and felt it is a stretch and we would rather invest time in testing out and fixing L3 related issues04:29
SridarK_rather than get the patches in and leave it disabled etc04:29
SridarK_njohnston: were there any other patches we needed discussion on04:30
njohnstonNo, I don't think so04:31
SridarK_ok lets move on04:31
SridarK_#topic Open Discussion04:31
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SridarK_if there are things to discuss we can do that or we can get back to debugging04:31
* njohnston has nothing else04:32
chandanc_+1 debugging04:32
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SridarK_ok then lets call it a wrap, we can continue on openstack-fwaas04:32
chandanc_sure04:32
SridarK_thanks all again04:32
njohnstonthanks all!04:32
chandanc_thanks all04:32
yushirothanks04:32
njohnston#endmeeting04:32
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claudiub#startmeeting hyper-v13:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug 31 13:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
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claudiubhello folks!13:00
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sagar_nikamHi13:00
claudiubanyone here?13:00
abalutoiuhello13:00
Sonu_Hi everyone13:00
sagar_nikamHi claudiub:13:00
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claudiubcool, we can start13:01
itoaderhi13:01
claudiub#topic monasca patches13:01
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claudiubehm, got no reviews on them. :/13:01
sagar_nikamoh ....13:01
claudiubroland was on vacation for some time, as far as i know13:02
sagar_nikamyes he was on vacation13:02
sagar_nikamlet me check if he is back13:02
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claudiubanyways. did you guys try monasca on windows?13:03
claudiubany feedback on it?13:04
sagar_nikami could not.... finding it difficult with liberty controller13:04
sagar_nikamand mitaka monasca13:04
claudiubi see.13:04
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sagar_nikamsorry .... got it confused again13:04
sagar_nikammitaka controller with newton monasca13:04
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claudiubwhat exactly isn't working?13:05
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sagar_nikamgetting all the 14 dependent patches13:06
sagar_nikamin right order and getting them compiled on windows13:07
sagar_nikamto generate the exe13:07
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sagar_nikamfor me to start the agent13:07
sagar_nikamhowever not spent too much time on it13:07
sagar_nikami may have missed something basic13:08
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claudiubgerrit typically lists the patches in the correct order13:09
claudiubfor example, this is the base patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317919/13:09
claudiuband on the right, you see from bottom to top the order of the patches.13:09
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sagar_nikamjust sent a mail to Roland13:11
sagar_nikamasking for review13:11
sagar_nikamhopefully we can get some review comments13:11
claudiubyeah. but we do have to keep in mind that this week is the feature freeze.13:11
sagar_nikamoh ...13:12
sagar_nikameven for monasca ?13:12
claudiubfor every project13:12
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sagar_nikamok13:12
claudiubhere's the release schedule: https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html13:13
claudiubnext thing will be in sep 12, RC1.13:13
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claudiubanyways, I hope we can still get in some patches.13:14
claudiubmoving on.13:14
claudiub#topic OVS vs networking-hyperv13:14
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claudiubsoo, abalutoiu has been doing some experiments13:15
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claudiubmind sharing some of your results, abalutoiu?13:15
abalutoiusure13:15
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abalutoiuso, I've been running tests to find the maximum throughput through OVS vs networking-hyperv, tests show 3.65 Gbps VM to VM over a single VXLAN tunnel on a 10 Gb NIC, while with networking-hyperv the performance was 4.95 Gbps13:17
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abalutoiuthere is also a new OVS under development, which was also tested, and the performance was 4.80 Gbps under the same conditions13:18
Sonu_Ovs dpdk will help improve that I would guess13:18
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abalutoiuthe new OVS also includes conntrack support, that means the OVS native firewall can be used instead of the windows ACLs13:19
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Sonu_Using native ovs firewall will expose a challenge  of live migration13:20
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claudiubwhy?13:20
Sonu_Who will build the firewall rules on the target host...13:21
Sonu_Neutron will have to do.13:21
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claudiubyeah, neutron will have to do it. doesn't it already do this anyways?13:22
Sonu_Who would intimate Nova or neutron to create ports and ovs rules on the port13:22
Sonu_Cluster level live migration will be transparent to neutron and nova13:22
Sonu_Unless we invoke migration through Nova migrate utility13:23
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Sonu_Am I missing any point that you are seeing13:24
claudiubso, when you do a nova cold / live migration, nova will create the ovs ports on the destination in advance.13:24
sagar_nikamSonu_: are you referring to MSCluster and Nova cluster driver ?13:25
sagar_nikamwhen you mentioned "Cluster level live migration"13:25
claudiubeven on a failover migration, the destination node will detect a new vm and create the ovs port.13:26
claudiubthe nova hyper-v cluster driver will detect a new vm and create its ovs port *13:26
Sonu_Live migrations triggered from ms cluster I refer to13:26
Sonu_VM ports must be created on br-int, who will do?13:27
Sonu_Who will notify Nova to do? Once a port is created, then neutron will bind rules13:28
claudiubthe nova hyper-v cluster driver does it.13:28
claudiubthe nova hyper-v cluster driver creates the port.13:28
Sonu_OK then I get what you are saying.13:28
claudiubanyways, thanks abalutoiu for the tests results. :)13:30
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claudiub#topic Barcelona OpenStack Summit13:31
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claudiubsooo, there is only one windows specific presentation in Barcelona13:32
Sonu_One more item under ovs topic13:33
claudiub#undo13:33
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Sonu_I see ovs is certified for Windows 2k1213:33
claudiubyep. and 2012 r2 as well13:33
claudiubwe announced it last week. :)13:33
Sonu_How can we consume the driver?13:34
Sonu_Should we build the driver ourselves, will the certification be valid13:34
claudiubyou mean OVS itself?13:34
Sonu_I mean the extension driver13:34
claudiubyou can download the installer from here:13:35
claudiub# Windows OVS installer: https://cloudbase.it/openvswitch/13:35
Sonu_Can we ship the extension driver alone as part of our package13:35
Sonu_We don't have MSI based installation mechanics13:36
claudiubinstalling the MSI is simple, you can do so by just running: msiexec /i openvswitch-hyperv-2.5.0.msi /l*v log.txt13:37
sagar_nikamclaudiub: we build our nova and neutron from our downstream branch13:37
claudiubMSIs can be installed in unattended mode.13:37
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sagar_nikamhence we dont use CloudBase MSI13:37
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claudiubSonu_: honestly, I don't know how to answer that question.13:39
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claudiubas far as I know, OVS was certified with the installer in its entirety.13:40
Sonu_Yes and that's Microsoft's specification I think13:40
claudiubyep13:40
Sonu_Once certified can we ship the extension driver with our installation13:41
claudiubSo, I'm not sure Microsoft certification can be claimed without the installer.13:41
claudiubwell, the installer is free anyways13:41
Sonu_May be I can start a email chain to discuss this.13:41
claudiubsure.13:42
Sonu_Thanks13:42
sagar_nikamclaudiub: thanks13:42
claudiubnp. :)13:42
claudiub#topic Barcelona OpenStack Summit13:42
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sagar_nikamwe hope to use OVS soon13:42
claudiubsoo, there was only session that was accepted, out the many Windows / Hyper-V related sessions submitted13:43
claudiubthe session is called: "What's new for Windows in OpenStack Newton"13:43
sagar_nikamok13:43
claudiubsoo, if you are going to attend the Summit, you might be interested in it. :)13:44
sagar_nikamclaudiub: i check with Paul Murray. he is at the summit. we discussed about this last week13:44
sagar_nikamhe is coming from our team13:44
claudiubcool, speaking of which, are you guys going to attend?13:44
sagar_nikamto the summit13:44
sagar_nikamSonu_: anybody from networking team attending the summit ?13:45
Sonu_I might be there13:45
sagar_nikamSonu_: cool... nice13:46
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claudiubcool. :) Sonu_: just FYI, there is going to be a Winstackers work session as well. So, feel free to join us. :)13:47
Sonu_I will thanks.13:47
claudiub#topic Open discussion13:47
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sagar_nikamnot much topics from my side13:48
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claudiubfirst of all, as you know, feature freeze is going to be this week. I already did release candidates for networking-hyperv and os-win.13:48
claudiuband the final release will be done in the next 1-2 weeks.13:49
claudiubup next would be release testing13:49
sagar_nikamok13:49
claudiubas we do every cycle, we run tempest for each and all supported Hyper-V versions, with all kinds of scenarios: networking-hyperv, ovs, etc.13:50
claudiubalso, python 2.7 and python3.413:50
claudiubso, this will take a while.13:50
sagar_nikamSonu_: one question. migration from networking-hyperv to ovs13:51
sagar_nikamyou had anything to discuss on that13:51
claudiubwe'll probably have to do some bug hunt for python 3.4, though.13:51
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claudiubanything else you guys want to discuss?13:52
sagar_nikamclaudiub: my question to sonu13:53
sagar_nikamyou want to discuss anything on that topic13:53
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sagar_nikamnetworking-hyperv to ovs migration13:53
sagar_nikamwe had a mail discussion few days back... not much since then13:53
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sagar_nikamc64cosmin: welcome.... anywork happening on freerdp .. or is it on low priority13:57
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claudiubc64cosmin_: ^13:59
sagar_nikamclaudiub: roland has replied13:59
sagar_nikamyou saw that ?13:59
c64cosmin_hey sagar_nikam, low priority for now13:59
c64cosmin_sorry13:59
sagar_nikamc64cosmin: sure no problem14:00
claudiubsagar_nikam: yep. saw it now. replying.14:00
sagar_nikamc64cosmin: just checking14:00
sagar_nikamclaudiub: thanks14:00
claudiubanyways, Sonu seems to have disconnected.14:00
claudiuband we've passed our time limit.14:01
claudiubwe have to end it here. :)14:01
claudiubthanks folks for joining, see you next week!14:01
sagar_nikamthanks14:01
claudiub#endmeeting14:01
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rhochmuth#startmeeting monasca15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug 31 15:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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rhochmutho/15:01
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kojio/15:01
rhochmuthHi everyone15:01
cbelluccio/15:01
shinya_kwbto/15:01
rhochmuthThe meeting agenda has been posted at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda15:01
rhochmuthAgenda for Wednesday August 31, 2016 (15:00 UTC)15:01
rhochmuth1.Ceilosca15:01
rhochmuth2.Status of monasca-events?15:01
rhochmuth3.Schedule for Monasca-Newton (RC, GA, when last contributions are possible, list of new features)15:01
rhochmuth4.Reviews15:01
rhochmuth1.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361476/15:01
rhochmuth2.https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+monasca,n,z15:01
rhochmuth3.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351930/15:01
rhochmuth4.Dimension names and IDs15:01
rhochmuth5.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362339/15:01
rhochmuthIf there are any other items to discuss please append to the list15:02
rhochmuthSo, the first item was Ceilosca15:02
rhochmuthI'm not sure everyone is here for that discussion yet15:02
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rhochmuthI'm expecting a couple of folks from HPE and a couple from Watcher15:02
rhochmuthIs anyone here from Watcher?15:03
bkleio/15:03
rhochmuthOK, so maybe I should have put the Ceilosca/Watcher discussion later in the agenda15:03
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rhochmuthLet's see if folks show-up for that later15:03
AtulHi Roland, Atul is here from Ceilosca.15:03
rhochmuthhi atul15:03
rhochmuththanks for joining15:04
rhochmuthi'm not seeign any folks from watcher yet15:04
Atulapologies this is my first IRC meeting, are we supposed to type only?15:04
rhochmuthyes, it is typing only15:04
ashwinhpehi atul and roland15:04
Atulroger! if they are not here. you can push ceilosca to later15:04
rhochmuthhi ashwinhpe15:04
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rhochmuthi'll check back to see if anyone from watcher shows-up15:05
rhochmuthlet's move on then15:05
rhochmuth#events15:05
rhochmuth#topic events15:05
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cbelluccithis was from Tomasz15:05
rhochmuthso, are you just wondering about status?15:06
cbelluccithere were discussions about events and we would like to know the status and interest15:06
cbelluccicorrect15:06
rhochmuthit looks like this is moving up in priority from hpe15:06
rhochmuthwe are expecting to put resources on it and have started to work on it again15:06
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rhochmuthif you/fujitsu are interested, we would love to have your involvement15:07
cbelluccigreat to hear that. how can we proceed?15:07
cbellucciindeed15:07
rhochmuthi think we're going to need some more in-depth planning and esign discussions15:08
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rhochmuthto coordinate activities15:08
rhochmuthi can setup some meetings next week15:08
rhochmuthto discuss further15:08
cbellucciperfect! thank you15:08
rhochmuthi don't think this format is going to be some great for that15:08
rhochmuthso probably lync disucssions15:08
cbellucciagree :)15:08
rhochmuthi was also going to setup some meetings about cassandra15:08
rhochmuthnext week too15:08
cbelluccinext week Witek will be back too and Tomasz is interested15:09
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rhochmuthso it will be a busy week15:09
rhochmuthnext week15:09
cbellucciyep, cassandra is hot topic too15:09
cbelluccimatthias is wokring on that15:09
rhochmuthok, will send invites out later today15:09
cbelluccithank you15:09
rhochmuth#topic monasca-newton schedule15:10
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cbellucciagain fujitsu :)15:10
rhochmuthi've been gone so long, i haven't tracked well15:10
rhochmuthso, i'll probably be in trouble again15:10
cbellucciwe would like to understand better deadlines and until when we can contribute15:10
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rhochmuthin general though, the quality is extremely high right now15:10
rhochmuthi think the deadline is basically very soon15:11
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rhochmuththere is a schedule posted by openstack15:11
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cbellucciwe see 12th...15:11
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rhochmuthwe are supposed to be mainly in wa mode15:11
rhochmuth12th of september hopefully15:11
rhochmuthnot august15:11
cbellucciyep :)15:11
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rhochmuthso, i think the 12th it is15:11
rhochmuththat would work as far as i know for everything we are trying to get done15:12
cbellucciok. can we contribute until that day?15:12
rhochmuthmost of the work right now is on bug fixes15:12
rhochmuthyes, you can contribute until that day, but i'm not expecting any new features, beyond what is in flight and almost complete15:12
cbellucciok, there is a list of new features too?15:12
cbellucciok sure15:13
rhochmuthwould like to see focus on bugs15:13
rhochmuththere are the blueprints we are working on15:13
cbellucciok, thanks15:13
rhochmuthbut the reviews we';; be covering in a few minutes are the main focus15:13
rhochmuthi'm just not expecting a new blueprint to show-up15:14
cbellucciunderstood15:14
rhochmuthare we good then, can we move on?15:14
cbellucciperfect, thanks let's move on15:14
rhochmuth#topic reviews15:14
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rhochmuthhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/361476/15:14
rhochmuthSo this review introduces a parameter to the libvirt plugin to control the frequency of collecting vnic metrics15:15
rhochmuthIt is a simple change15:15
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rhochmuthbut, i wanted to point it out and see if it impacted anyone15:15
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rhochmuthexpecially charter, as you guys are deploying off of master15:16
rhochmuthoops, it looks like craig merged it15:16
rhochmuthi wasn't expecting that15:17
rhochmuthwas hoping to check with folks first15:17
rbakI'll take a look, but I don't think it will be a problem.15:17
rhochmuththanks rbak15:17
rhochmuthsorry, it got merged prior to your approval15:17
rhochmuthwas hoping to check15:17
rhochmuthfirst15:17
rhochmuthif it is a problem, let me know15:17
rbakwill do15:18
rhochmuththx15:18
rhochmuthhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+monasca,n,z15:18
rhochmuthuh oh, that isn't a review15:18
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rhochmuthhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/351930/15:18
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rhochmuthSo, just wanted to point out this review has been in progress15:19
rhochmuthThis review allows you to specify multipl coom delimited dimension in the group_by query parameter15:20
rhochmuthcoom -> comma15:20
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rhochmuthrbak: you might be interested in that review too, for integration into grafana15:21
rbakYeah, we've been waiting for this.  I'll take a look15:21
rhochmuththx: i believe rbrandt is basically done, barring any issues that come up15:21
rhochmuthhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/350830/15:22
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rhochmuthSo, this is the one that I really wanted to discuss today15:22
rhochmuthIt was all looking good, until Kaiyan mentioned ids and that also got me thinking about pagination, my favorite topic15:22
rhochmuththe first question, independent of grafana, is why would you need ids?15:23
rhochmuthin the case of metric names, it is a 1D structure15:24
rhochmuthin the case of dimension names and values, it is a 2D structure15:24
rhochmutha list of lists15:24
rhochmuthsimilar to measurements and statistics15:24
rhochmuththe combinatino of a metric name and a dimension name uniquely identify it15:25
rhochmuthin the case of the values query, you also need to know the dimenion values that are returned15:25
rhochmuthso, it looks like there is a problem with pagination right now15:25
rhochmuthin the dimension values query15:25
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rbakI would say that if anything we need more consistency.  I shouldn't need to know what I'm paging through in order to stitch the pages back together.15:27
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rbakIt just makes the api easier to use, and having an id is a step in that direction.15:27
rhochmuthso, how does the id help?15:27
rhochmuthin this case?15:28
rbakLike I said. consistency.15:28
rbakIt isn't strictly necessary, but it means I can process these pages the same as any of the others.15:28
rhochmuthconsistency with what, other queries15:29
rbakmetrics, statistics, dimension values, etc.15:29
rhochmuthok15:29
rhochmuthso, what happens if you query the dimension values for a dimension name of "resource_id", for which there are millions of potential resources15:30
rhochmuthhow would you  page through the list of values for the dimension value of resource id?15:30
rhochmuthif the limit is 10,00015:30
rhochmuthi'm expecting that the query woudl return a max of 10,000 dimenion values, similar to how the measuremnts and statistics queries work with 2-D lists of lists15:31
rbakI don't remember the specifics, but it's something like query for all the pages using the next links.  At the end use the ids to stitch together the results.15:31
rbakI can point you to the current grafana code if you want.15:32
bkleiexactly -- and when paginating through pages of statistics, rbak would use id.   so doing the same for dimension names/values is a noop15:32
rbakBut Grafana is only an example here.  This would make it easier for anyone writing a client15:32
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rhochmuththe id that is returned is a composite of (metric name, dimension name)15:33
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rhochmuthactually a hash of (metric name, dimension name)15:33
rhochmuthbut the dimension value is not part of the id15:33
rhochmuthif you had more than 10,000 values, i'm just wondering how to page15:34
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bkleiright -- just so it's unique per api call15:34
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rhochmuthi'm expecting the next link that is returned to somehow get to the same metric name and diemsion name, but offset to the correct dimension value15:34
bklei(consistent among pages for a given api call, that is)15:34
bkleiyes -- that's how it works, but offset in this case isn't id -- but the dimension name (in the /dimensions/names/values case)15:35
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bkleithe list is returned alphabetically15:35
KaiyanThe offset is an individual dimension value in this case. We can't use the id to be offset in current implementation.15:35
bklei+115:36
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rbakRight, and that id shouldn't be offset.  offset changes.  id needs to be consistent amongst all the pages.15:36
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rhochmuththe offset that is returned would have to be a combination of ((metric name, dimension name), dimension value)15:36
rhochmuthor15:37
rhochmuth(id, dimension value)15:37
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rhochmuthin string format15:37
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rhochmuthid_dimensionvalue15:37
bkleino -- just the dimension name or value -- so we can grab the spot in the list15:38
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bkleiid doesn't play into offset at all in this case, because id isn't in the db15:38
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rhochmuthbut don't you need to know the metric name too, so you know what list you are indexing into15:38
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rhochmuthit is a 2-D structure15:39
rhochmutha list of list15:39
bkleimetric name is optional, and is part of the url to get the list to return.  but either the dimension name or value (depending on the api call) is how you know where the offset lands15:39
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rhochmuthok, i'll take another look off-line15:40
rhochmuthsounds like i need to spend a little more time on this15:40
bkleii'm speaking mostly for /dimensions/names/values -- kaiyan can correct me for the new patch15:40
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rhochmuthi'll create some examples with greater than 10,000 resources and see what happens15:41
rhochmuthi should have done that sooner15:41
bkleiwe've tested with very low offsets, it works :)15:41
bkleior limits rather15:41
Kaiyanthere is no required input arg for dimensions/names but for dimensions/names/values dimension_name is required15:41
rhochmuththx bklei15:42
rhochmuthahh, yes i could specify a limit of 2 or 1015:42
rhochmuththat will save me some time loading the db15:42
bkleiyeah15:42
rhochmuththx15:42
bklei(thumbsup)15:42
rhochmuthhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/362339/15:43
rhochmuthi think that is the last one15:43
rbakThat's mine, just trying to get some eyes on it.15:43
rbakIt should be a simple fix15:43
rbakAnd right now it means that anyone creating an alarm through the cli can break the overview page.15:44
rhochmuthok, it looks good to me15:44
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rbakThanks, that's all I had.15:44
rhochmuth#topic ceilosca/watcher15:44
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rhochmuthhas anyone shown up from watcher project15:44
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rhochmuthsorry ashwin and atul15:46
rhochmuthi thought they would attend the monasca meeting this week15:46
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rhochmuthi beleive they have their meeting right after ours15:46
rhochmuthso, we could hang-out15:46
ashwinhpenp...if they can try this patch out and let us know that will be great https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36331515:47
rhochmuthit is in this irc room15:47
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rhochmuthbesides watcher/ceilosca, are there any other areas to look at/discuss15:47
ibmkorhochmuth, one thing15:48
rhochmuthmy one action item is to setup a cassandra and events meetings next week15:48
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ibmkorbak, reminding myself with the clean up script for the deleted VMs :)15:48
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rbakTurns out we already had that in our puppet repo.15:49
rbakGive me a moment and I'll find the link15:49
ibmkothanks15:49
rhochmuthwe also updated our vm deletion script, but it is not upstream15:49
rbakhttps://github.com/openstack/puppet-monasca/blob/master/templates/vm_alarm_cleanup.py.erb15:49
rhochmuthsorry, ibmko15:49
ibmkothanks we will have a look15:50
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rhochmuththx rbak15:50
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ibmkoso this puppet repo is now primary means of monasca deployment ?15:51
ibmkofrom what it use to be the ansible one ?15:51
rhochmuththe puppet repos are used by charter15:52
rhochmuththe ansible one's are a bit out-dated15:52
rbakIt's one way of deploying, I don't know if I would say it's primary15:52
ibmkook15:52
rbakWe use it, and there are a few other companies at least looking at it.15:52
ibmkowe have our own at the moment15:52
ibmkoansible based15:52
rhochmuththere is also a new ansible monasca project being created15:53
rhochmuthsee, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360140/15:53
ibmkook thx15:53
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rhochmuthso Jesse Pretorius from Rackspace has proposed adding a openstack-ansible project for monasca, which will be approved shortly i'm assuming15:54
rhochmuthin the future, i think that is going to be the best place to look for ansible based deployer15:54
rhochmuthi don't know what he has completed and what is available in an upstream repo15:54
rhochmuthbut you could check with him15:55
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rhochmuthas this seems to be getting more recent development15:55
rhochmuthother than that, i don't know anything about it15:55
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ibmkorhochmuth, thanks I'll check that15:56
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rhochmuthso, i'm going to end this meeting, unless someone has another item15:56
ibmkoas we don't want to maintain our own if not necessary15:56
rhochmuthi'll hangout for watcher too thoguh15:56
rhochmuthimbko: right15:56
rhochmuthok, bye everyone15:57
rhochmuth#endmeeting15:57
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Aug 31 15:57:52 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:57
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eglute#startmeeting defcore15:59
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openstackMeeting started Wed Aug 31 15:59:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'defcore'15:59
eglute#chair hogepodge16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: eglute hogepodge16:00
hogepodgeo/16:00
eglute#topic agenda16:00
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shamail\o16:00
eglute#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreLunar.1516:00
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egluteplease add as needed!16:00
egluteMark is at VMWorld today, so he will not be here today16:01
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egluteAnyone else here for defcore meeting?16:01
gemao/16:02
shamailhere16:02
gemahalf here half on a deployment16:02
eglute:)16:02
catherine_d|1o/16:02
eglute#topic Board meeting update16:02
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* notmyname lurks16:02
eglutecouple weeks ago we presented the defcore report to the board16:02
VanLo/16:02
eglute#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a4OWcGARqfuTAk5uax4d3LJGXeKiO5gZZ62jiEM4RDk/edit?usp=sharing16:03
egluteThe board approved the 1.6 guideline and 2016.08 guideline16:03
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eglutethey also approved the name change16:03
woodster_o/16:03
egluteboard members were excited about the change,16:04
egluteso going forward we will need to start calling ourselves Interop Working Group16:04
eglutehogepodge can you help us with all the renames?16:04
hogepodgeWe'll need a sub-working group to handle the name change process16:04
shamaileglute: Are we going to update the meeting ID on eavesdrop as well?  This will mean that new logs will be in a different location than older ones.  Not an issue but we should add a pointer to “archive meeting logs” with the old folder location.16:04
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shamailI can help hogepodge16:05
egluteshamail good point16:05
hogepodgeI'm assuming we'll want new irc room, mailing list name, as well as documentation changes?16:05
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hogepodgeNew repository?16:05
gemaoh wow, it is more radical than I thought :D16:05
eglutewell, how confusing would it be if we kept mailing list/irc as the same?16:05
hogepodgeThis is actually a pretty big undertaking if we want a comprehensive name change.16:05
egluteand repo?16:05
egluteso do we need a comprehensive one?16:06
shamailCoin toss on repository name… It could stay the same since the repo name doesn’t have to be the same but programs.yaml would need to be updated at least16:06
hogepodgeWhich I'm ok with, we just need to put together a work list and methodically get through it. I'm happy to lead those efforts with shamail16:06
eglute#action hogepodge and shamail to lead rename efforts16:06
shamailAny desired completion timeframe?16:06
hogepodgeAs a rebranding effort, I expect it to take a few months.16:06
hogepodgeshamail: I'd be conservative and target Jan 116:06
shamailhogepodge: +116:07
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eglutethanks hogepodge. i am ok with conservative16:07
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rockygo/16:07
hj-hpeGreetings and salutations all16:07
eglutei am also ok with keeping some things called defcore, like IRC channel16:07
eglutewhat does everyone else think?16:07
hogepodgeeglute: I'm worried that we'll continue the confusion of what defcore is, and it's marked as one of the major issues in our report16:08
gemayeah, hogepodge has a point, let's move it all to the new name16:08
hogepodgeeglute: so even though it will be painful, consistency is important. that's just my opinion on the matter16:08
eglutehogepodge good point16:08
gemaover time16:08
hj-hpeAgreed16:08
rockygdon't have a scrollback to view, but I agree with hogepodge in that the TC is starting to talk about "core" again.16:08
gema+1 on consistency16:08
shamailI agree with hogepodge, painful but will pay dividends in the long run16:08
woodster_so will summit be where the name change is officially announced, or should it be changed over before that?16:09
rockygwe should do a redirect for the defcore channel, though, when it gets a new name16:09
eglutewoodster_ we have not discussed that yet! but we do need to make an announcement16:09
hogepodgewoodster_: summit is as good a place as any, and gets us all in the same room to start pushing the last items through16:09
* woodster_ might even be last minute name changes to bike shed over? :)16:10
shamailhogepodge: Does it make sense to prioritize some areas to be renamed before the summit from the exhaustive list that we will build?  That way some of the more recognizable artifacts are renamed prior to announcement.16:10
hogepodgeshamail: I think so16:10
eglute+116:10
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egluteI think this will be a hard change but will help talking about defcore/interop going forward.16:11
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egluteanything else regarding the name change? any comments?16:11
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eglute#topic Summit16:12
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VanLI'll still probably call it defcore in private ;)16:12
hj-hpeShun the non believer!16:12
egluteVanL i bet your are not the only one ;)16:12
egluteheh16:12
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egluteWe are less than 2 months away from the summit!16:12
shamaillol16:12
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eglutei hope to see everyone there16:13
eglutehogepodge told me he will be working on getting us a time slot for a WG16:13
* shamail is already exhausted from the summit16:13
shamail:P16:13
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eglutei have not looked if any defcore presentations got selected for the summit16:14
rockygunfortunately, I'm talking twice, so I'll be there.  One talk will be on the interop challenge and refstack16:14
hogepodgefrom what I understand the UC will be sending out WG invitations, and DefCore will be included in the scheduling (as will any other non-UC governed working groups)16:14
eglutethanks hogepodge16:14
gemarockyg: it was unclear to me who will be talking on the interop challenge16:14
hogepodgeI'm on a panel that was accepted16:14
rockygFor the one session, refstack and beyond, it's me and Catherine16:15
gemarockyg: +116:15
eglutehogepodge what is the panel that you are on?16:15
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rockygwe might ping the ml for info/comments16:15
egluterockyg please do16:16
hogepodge#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16339/interop-you-keep-using-that-word-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means16:16
egluteoh nice16:16
eglutethanks16:16
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rockygKewl!16:17
egluteany other comments regarding summit?16:17
gemanice indeed, will try to ask questions :D16:17
rockygI actually think I want to go to that one!16:17
hogepodge#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16412/beyond-refstack-the-interop-challenge16:17
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hogepodgeI don't see anything else matching defcore or interop in the schedule16:17
eglutethanks for checking hogepodge. we will have the WG as well16:18
rockygYou didn't hear this from me, but expect interop in a keynote.16:18
gemarockyg: you realize you are on record, right? :D16:19
egluteis that going to be the interop challenge? I expect IBM will be talking about that16:19
rockygyeah ;P16:19
eglute#topic 2017.01 guideline16:19
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rockygNot positive on what, just know that it will be part of one.16:19
eglutesince the latest guideline was approved in August, the timeline for a new one will be a little compressed16:20
rockygOh, and I'm not here anyways, because I'm on vacation.16:20
eglutethe next guideline will be 2017.01, approved in January 2017 board meeting16:20
gema:)16:20
hogepodgeeglute: I'm ok with the next guideline being much more iterative. I have a feeling the one just approved will be a pretty big shock with the addition of direct APIs16:21
* gema volunteers to do heat or keystone16:21
gemalet's get on with it, shall we? :)16:21
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eglutewe have two months to ID new capabilities and create a preliminary draft16:21
eglutethanks gema for volunteering to do keystone and heat!16:21
egluteany other volunteers?16:22
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gema¬¬' I said or!16:22
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gema:D16:22
eglutei agree with hogepodge, we can have fewer new additions16:22
hogepodgeneutron capabilities need work in progress with updating the tests16:22
rockyg++ a bit of stability after the shock of 2016.08 would be good.16:23
hogepodgeI hesitate to volunteer for it because my dance card is filled up until Barcelona :-P16:23
eglutehogepodge i think Mark had some tests in progress, is that correct?16:23
gemahogepodge: so is mine16:23
rockygeglute, yeah, he does/did16:23
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shamailCan I schedule a session with someone to come up to speed on the process (after reading through what’s available)? // any volunteers?  I’m fairly packed in as well but I can try to help as time permits.16:23
hogepodgebut I will be in Germany for the QA meetup, so I can raise some issues there and see if we can move those tests forward while we have the team in the room16:23
eglutehogepodge that would be great16:24
hogepodgeshamail: I'd be happy to help get you up to speed16:24
shamailThank you hogepodge16:24
rockygWe have a guy in China who is supposed to get up to speed on this group, so if we schedule late afternoon, he can also be in the training/kickoff class16:24
eglutehogepodge when is the QA meeting?16:24
gemasept 19-2116:25
hogepodge#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints16:25
gemaI will be there too16:25
eglutethanks gema16:25
shamailrockyg: Connect him with me and I will make sure to include him when scheduling a follow-up with hogepodge16:25
gemanodding to all the comments from hogepodge16:25
gemafor support16:25
eglutewe can probably schedule interactive video session for those who want to attend16:25
shamaileglute: +116:25
eglutei would be happy to help hogepodge16:26
rockyg++ shamail16:26
egluteis next week too soon?16:26
hogepodgedepending on our agenda load, we could use next week's meeting as a defcore process 10116:26
shamailLatter half of next week is doable, I want to make sure I leave some time to read HACKING.rst, etc. first.16:26
eglute#action hogepodge eglute to schedule intro to the guideline session16:27
shamailhogepodge: If that is the plan then I would recommend also sending an email to other ML to let others know who might be interested that this would be a good session to join if planning to help with interop in the future.16:27
eglute#action eglute to send a doodle to the mailing list to gage interest and collect convenient times16:27
eglutehogepodge i agree16:27
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shamailIt could be education/recruitment all in one :)16:27
rockygActually what shamail said is good.  Produce a reading list for those attending to review before the meeting.16:28
eglute:)16:28
hogepodgeeglute: shamail: at the risk of creating a ton of new work, record a webinar?16:28
eglute#action eglute and hogepodge create a reading list prior to the session16:28
eglutehogepodge i like that idea16:28
rockygIt will also be a great "getting started with "whatever we call ourselves going forward"16:28
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shamailhogepodge: I would say we should do that after the intial 101 session, that way you can address questions left open (even after reading the docs) that come up16:29
shamailOr we could record the Q&A session itself16:29
eglutei am ok with either16:29
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shamailSorry to go off-track eglute, I want to help with the guidelines but I need help on how to help first16:29
egluteshamail fair enough, i am all for onboarding people :)16:30
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rockygeglute, ++16:30
eglutebesides, we do have some other people who are new to this group :)16:30
shamailthank you16:30
egluteok, so we will hold of asking for volunteers for scoring other components after the training session16:31
eglutei know catherine_d|1 has done heat in the past16:31
catherine_d|1eglute: yea ... but the issue wit heat is16:32
catherine_d|1they still do not have tests in Tempest ..16:32
egluteperhaps catherine_d|1 could follow up with the heat team to see if they made any changes since we talked to them last time16:32
eglutecatherine_d|1 do you know if they are planning on moving to tempest?16:32
rockygcatherine_d|1, they are on the verge....16:32
catherine_d|1eglute: rockyg: they are on the plan to implement the Tempest plugin16:33
eglutecatherine_d|1 any idea what their timeline is?16:33
catherine_d|1but no plan for moving tests to Tempest yet ... this is news as of last month . I can check with them again16:33
eglutethank you catherine_d|116:33
eglutewe will talk about other components next time then16:34
catherine_d|1eglute: will do16:34
hogepodgecatherine_d|1: can you work with Heat to get design summit time for that topic?16:34
hogepodge(moving tests)16:34
catherine_d|1hogepodge: great idea! will do16:34
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rockyggreat idea, hogepodge16:34
rockygcatherine_d|1, types faster than I do16:35
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catherine_d|1:rockyg: -) only this time16:36
egluteso far, i have come up with a preliminary timeline, and i propose that we ID new capabilities by September 14th. this is very aggressive timeline, but works if we are going to go easy on trying to add new capabilities. We could also combine ID capabilities and scoring16:36
egluteany thoughts on the timeline?16:37
hogepodge#info the timeline changes are at the bottom of the etherpad16:37
hogepodge#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreLunar.1516:38
eglutethanks hogepodge16:38
gemaeglute: I am not sure I can make it16:38
gemaeglute: in fact I am sure I cannot make it for that date x)16:38
eglutei need to finish the second part16:38
eglutegema would adding a week help?16:38
gemanope, september is packed for me16:38
gemaqa/infra midcycle and linaro connect16:38
gemaI can get to it before ODS, though, if it helps16:39
gemaor if anyone else has the time, they can also do it :D16:39
eglutewhen is ODS?16:39
eglutewhat is ODS?16:39
gemaOctober 20thish16:39
gemathe summit?16:39
egluteoh16:40
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gemasorry, I thought it was a generic acronym, that's the barcelona developer summit16:40
eglutei think we need to have them scored by the summit16:40
eglutebut the ID part should be done before then16:40
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eglutelets see how much help we can get after the training session16:41
gemaack16:41
eglutehogepodge what is your opinion on the timeline?16:41
hogepodgeIt's tight16:41
eglutethe 2017.01 draft should be done by October 25th, so we can get feedback16:41
hogepodgeFor me the first half of September will be in a hardware build, and the second half is travel16:42
gemaeglute: I can have it by that date, I just don't have time to touch it during september16:42
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hogepodgeMore time frees up for me October 1, but a lot of the ground work has been done for the previous release, so this will me mostly iterative16:42
hogepodges/me/be16:42
catherine_d|1hogepodge: eglute: at the minumun we do have advisory capability in 2016.08 that can be moved to required section ..16:43
rockygcatherine_d|1, +116:43
eglutei am ok with us not sticking to the timeline too much, and i hope hogepodge is right that we will not have too many new capabilities16:43
eglutecatherine_d|1 +116:43
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hogepodgecatherine_d|1: yeah, and some of the advisory is dependent on test changes, which we have until December to get landed16:43
catherine_d|1new;y scoring capablities can be added interactively over the next few months as we did in the past?16:43
rockygAlso, look at items just below the cutoff score and see if they move up for this round16:43
eglutecatherine_d|1 i think so!16:44
egluterockyg good point16:44
hogepodge#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/working_materials/scoring.txt16:44
eglutethanks hogepodge16:44
egluteany other comments on the new guideline?16:45
eglute#topic RefStack16:45
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eglutecatherine_d|1 go ahead!16:45
catherine_d|1Thanks to your review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353903/  .. it was merged .. and we start implementing that already16:46
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eglutenice!16:47
catherine_d|1we have two more foundation specs ..  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343954/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332260/16:47
rockyg++16:47
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catherine_d|1could you pleaser review so that we can proceed to  implementation ...16:47
eglute#action everyone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343954/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332260/16:48
eglutecatherine_d|1 i will review them later today16:48
catherine_d|1our plan is to get all the implementatin done end of Sept ... so we allow 3 weeks to update the website .. in case there is issue16:48
catherine_d|1eglute: thank you very much!16:48
catherine_d|1hogepodge: want to confirm with you on the term "certification" vs "validation"16:49
hogepodgecatherine_d|1: oh gosh, I keep forgetting16:49
gemacatherine_d|1: validation didn't say much to me, does it mean that the result has been validated by chris?16:49
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gemaand if the user wants to withdraw they contact chris and he unvalidates it?16:50
hogepodgegema: I would avoid saying by chris and say against guideline16:50
gemahogepodge: I could say the foundation but the way it is worded it does require someone's intervention16:50
catherine_d|1This was a feedback from Mark16:50
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hogepodgeyeah, I don't want to be seen as the gatekeeper, and the language should focus on the guideline and some governing authority checking against the guideline as used in a license agreement16:51
gemahogepodge: +116:51
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eglutefoundation is the governing authority, correct?16:52
hogepodgebut I'm not the governing authority, the interop working group and openstack foundation are the important parts of the process16:52
gemahogepodge: but practically, if a user sends the foundation a link to results for validation you validate them and mark it as validated16:52
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gemawhich means they are certified, correct?16:52
gemayou as in someone in the foundation16:53
rockyghogepodge, is acting for the foundation16:53
gemayep16:53
rockyghe is the assigned representative of the foundation16:54
gemasure, I was just trying to understand the process16:54
gemacatherine_d|1: works for me as you have it now16:54
hogepodgeok, I think we need to use the word verify, as certify means to make an official pledge and has deeper legal meeting16:55
rockygverify is good16:55
gemaverify sounds good16:55
catherine_d|1hogepodge: gema: I can change to verify16:55
hogepodgegema: right now, one step in the licensing process is to send me a refstack link that shows the product meets the testing requirements for the logo program16:55
catherine_d|1it is better now than later16:55
gemahogepodge: ok16:56
gemacatherine_d|1: yep, sounds better16:56
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hogepodgegema: I then signal to our legal team that the vendor is qualified to sign the license agreement, which is generated and sent to the vendor16:56
catherine_d|1ok thank you ... I will make the change ..16:56
gemahogepodge: ah, ok16:56
hogepodgegema: the contract comes back and is then countersigned by a foundation representative16:56
catherine_d|1let me update the patch and please review again!  thank you all!16:57
hogepodgewhich is not me16:57
gemathank you catherine_d|116:57
gemahogepodge: ok, makes sense16:57
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rockyghogepodge, true dat16:57
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catherine_d|1gema: thanks for your review and bring up this question ... that is what review is for ..16:57
gemacatherine_d|1: +116:58
eglutei think we are almost out of time... catherine_d|1 anything else?16:58
catherine_d|1no thx16:58
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eglutethank you everyone!!16:58
eglute#endmeeting16:58
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shamailtake care16:58
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alaski#startmeeting nova_cells17:00
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dansmithohai17:00
melwitto/17:00
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mriedemo/17:00
alaskigonna be a quick one today17:00
alaski#topic Open discussion17:00
alaskino real agenda17:00
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dansmithmelwitt: your patch is ready and dependent on the fix?17:01
melwittdansmith: I just now pushed a new version pointing at the devstack change17:01
melwittchanged from depending on the grenade hack patch to the devstack patch, that is17:01
dansmithmelwitt: right, that. so unless I find anything else we can +2 that yes?17:02
alaskiwhich fix?17:02
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melwittalaski: we needed to do something to get the rabbit userid variable usable in grenade so the mq switch could login to rabbit17:02
alaskiI guess I can look at the depends-on17:02
alaskimelwitt: oh yeah, that one17:03
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melwittwithout that, the switch fails auth missing the userid17:03
alaskiso your patch is ready other than that?17:03
melwittyes17:03
alaskigreat17:03
dansmithalaski: I will hit that when we're done here17:03
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alaskiwe have a couple of open devstack/grenade patches up that I may need to ping people on17:03
alaskithe only other things I'd like to see get in are my two patches17:04
alaskibut17:04
alaskiI'm having an issue with service_version that I need to resolve17:04
melwittalaski: I was just looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356138/ and it looks like there might be legit tempest failures on the list servers negative tests?17:04
mriedemto be clear, that's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356138/17:04
mriedem?17:04
alaskiyes17:04
alaskiright now get_minimum_version or whatever returns 017:05
alaskieven though every service says it's version 1517:05
dansmithalaski: is that happening before any service record has been written?17:05
dansmiththat's a known quirk17:05
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alaskino, this is quite late17:05
dansmithalaski: basically, if you're the first service you can't figure out what the real minimum is17:05
dansmithokay17:05
alaskilike halfway through a tempest run17:05
dansmithokay17:05
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melwittokay, sorry I didn't realize the bug you're working through was on the bottom patch, I assumed it was on the WIP one17:05
dansmithalaski: using the wrong binary name?17:05
alaskidansmith: maybe. I just added some more logging to see what's going on17:06
alaskibut I'll check the code for that17:06
alaskimelwitt: well, the bug is on a merged patch. but isn't exposed until the bottom one17:06
melwittgotcha17:06
alaskibut it's very rare so I didn't see it until two days ago17:06
alaskiIf I can fix that, and add testing for the current WIP one, those are what I'd like to get in17:07
alaskibut if not, we're still in a good spot I think17:07
mriedemi'm asking sean about FF for devstack/grenade,17:07
mriedemnot sure if we have some more time there or not17:08
alaskithat's all I've got, just wanted to touch base real quick17:08
mriedembefore they branch it17:08
alaskimriedem: okay17:08
mriedembecause i see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362154/17:08
dansmithalaski: they branch super late17:08
mriedemand https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-dev/grenade+branch:master+topic:setup_cell0_before_migrations17:08
dansmithalaski: so I kinda expect not17:08
dansmither, mriedem ^17:08
dansmiththey branch well after the final release normally I think17:08
mriedemare any of the nova changes dependent on devstack/grenade cahnges?17:08
alaskialso https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362154/17:08
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alaskihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/356138/ is17:08
alaskidependant17:09
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mriedemhmm, ok17:09
melwittmy patch depends on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363295/ in devstack17:09
alaskithere's also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355602/ which should depend on one of the above patches17:10
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alaskiso that's where things are at17:10
mriedemok, i can rebase those 2 devstack changes to line them up17:10
alaskithanks17:10
alaskianything else to mention?17:11
mriedemwhat about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362310/1 ?17:11
mriedemthat's the bottom of the grenade series17:11
alaskithere should be something depending on that somewhere, but that's needed too17:11
mriedemit's the bottom of hte series and the nova change is dependent on that series17:12
alaskiahh17:12
mriedemmy point being,17:12
mriedemif we really want https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356138/ for FF17:12
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mriedemthen we need those 2 grenade changes to land17:12
alaskiyes17:12
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mriedemok i'm pinging sdague about that17:13
alaskiI want https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356138/ to land. but I don't think it has an upgrade impact, in that if it doesn't make it I think we're okay in O17:13
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alaskiwe just won't hit the goal I had hoped to hit17:13
mriedemand even for ^,17:13
mriedemwe don't have anything going to cell0 yet right?17:13
alaskimriedem: right, the WIP is the first patch to really use it17:14
mriedembecause https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267827/17:14
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alaskithat's actually not necessary any more17:14
alaskimy WIP supercedes it17:14
mriedemi'm not sure how https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267827/ even passes jenkins w/o depending on these other changes17:14
mriedemoh17:14
mriedemcan we drop https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267827/ then?17:14
alaskiyes17:15
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alaskiabandoned17:15
alaskianything more?17:16
alaskigreat. thanks all17:16
alaski#endmeeting17:16
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david-lyle#startmeeting horizon20:08
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug 31 20:08:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:08
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'20:08
r1chardj0n3so/20:08
r1chardj0n3sso, how about that weather we've been having?20:08
david-lyleour ship is lacking its rudder, but we can attempt to carry on20:08
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david-lyle#topic reviews20:09
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rdopierathe ship will carry our bodies safe to shore20:09
david-lyledo them20:09
r1chardj0n3syessir!20:09
david-lylelast day I believe20:09
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david-lylemaybe tomorrow20:10
david-lyleafter that, as usual bug fixes can continue to get merged20:10
david-lyleblueprints require a FFE20:10
r1chardj0n3shttps://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html20:10
david-lyleI think there is one FFE so far, I think Glance v2 would be another20:10
TravT_o/20:10
r1chardj0n3stechnically we've been in feature freeze for a week20:11
david-lyler1chardj0n3s: right20:11
david-lylebut I think filter and glance v2 were still ok20:11
r1chardj0n3syep20:11
david-lyleso I guess we probably have 3 FFEs20:11
tsufievglanceV2 \o/20:11
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david-lyleso anyway, merging bug fixes is still ok20:12
david-lylewishlist bugs not as much20:12
david-lylethen we'll tighten up for RC-120:12
david-lyleonce that branches master is open for Ocata20:13
david-lylebut wait for the announcement that RC-1 branch has been made20:13
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david-lyleany questions about release mechanics?20:14
tsufievdavid-lyle, better temporarily -2 profiler patches, otherwise someone might approve them :)20:14
tsufievhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/273085/20:14
david-lyletsufiev: if you do it yourself, you won't have to wait for someone else to remove when the window opens20:14
tsufievoh, that's true20:14
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david-lyle#topic Barcelona20:15
TravT_FYI that i've found a couple of magic search bugs / idiosyncrasies that we'd like to get fixed this release.20:15
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* tsufiev prevailed himself and -2-ed his patch20:15
david-lyleTravT_: are they targeted for N-3 or RC-1?20:16
TravT_don't have patches up, but we found some of them while doing some user testing.20:16
TravT_I think rc-120:16
david-lylewe have about 2 weeks20:16
david-lyleso get them up as soon as possible20:16
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david-lyleok Barcelona20:17
* TravT_ TravT20:17
david-lyleany idea on how many will actually make it there?20:17
david-lyleo/20:17
r1chardj0n3s*crickets*20:18
david-lyleI will be alone :(20:18
david-lylewait until you hear what the room agrees to20:18
* tsufiev just got his travel approval20:18
david-lylethat's 220:19
rdopieraI will be there20:19
TravT_matt, diana, and I have approval requests pending.20:19
david-lyleprobably other people's travel is still working itself out20:19
bpokornyI will probably be there. Waiting on travel approval.20:19
lcastell:(20:19
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TravT_travel approval is exceptionally tight this time.20:19
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bpokornyYeah, seems that way for a lot of companies this time.20:20
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rdopierawhich is strange, because it's much cheaper than Texas20:20
david-lylewell I think the proper way to address that is have the etherpads up early and allow those who can't attend to weigh in20:20
tsufievrdopiera, depends on where you flying from ;)20:21
david-lylewell there is a global investment curve that seems to be trending in a particular direction20:21
rdopieratsufiev: flying? we have trains :D20:21
david-lyleok, I suppose before long robcresswell will be asking for topics20:21
tsufievrdopiera, cheater!20:22
tsufiev:)20:22
david-lyleI'll let him decide how he wants to collect those20:22
david-lyle#topic Open Discussion20:22
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david-lyleanything else on people's minds?20:22
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rdopieraso we recently pulled in the xstatic overhaul into our branch20:23
david-lylerdopiera: how did that go?20:23
* r1chardj0n3s ducks20:23
rdopieraand of course that exploded the builds :)20:23
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david-lylerecoverably?20:24
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* david-lyle is dying from the suspense20:24
* r1chardj0n3s also20:24
rdopierahopefully, I will look into this in detail tomorrow, I'm not entirely sure what hacks we have in the xstatic rpm packages on our side to make it all work with the globally installed libraries20:24
rdopierait might be as simple as setting the missing main path20:25
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r1chardj0n3shopefully, yep20:25
r1chardj0n3sbut also there are in-code overrides possible still, they just look different20:25
rdopieraI just thought I will mention it, not sure if it makes sense to make an upgrade guide for this20:26
rdopierabecause it will be mostly solved by the few packagers who care20:26
rdopieraand not the general audience20:26
r1chardj0n3srdopiera: please keep in touch if you need any help sorting it out20:26
rdopierar1chardj0n3s: thank you, I will certainly call you up on that! ;)20:27
jlopezguI proposed a bp related to a recently added feature in keystone, I would appreciate if someone could review it and give me some feedback.20:27
jlopezguIt's url: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/password-expires-validation20:27
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tsufievhm...20:28
david-lylereading it, why would it be configureable?20:29
tsufievpassword management AFAIK is one of the features that keystone community desperately trying to offload to somewhere else20:29
david-lyletsufiev: yeah, but they haven't and likely won't20:30
tsufiev'cause that would be 'the enterprise way'20:30
jlopezguwell, basically it allows to decide how many days prior to the expiration date, maybe the true/false could be always enabled instead20:30
tsufievjust read that they added it20:31
david-lyleof if that value is set, then it's enabled20:31
david-lylebut those are implementation details20:31
tsufievsomething definitely weird is happening in this world :/20:31
david-lylenothing to block it over20:31
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david-lyleok, any other items ?20:32
jlopezguOk, thanks20:32
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david-lylerobcresswell: how do you want to collect summit topics?20:33
david-lyleetherpad again?20:33
robcresswellEtherpad, its worked fine20:33
robcresswellI'll make one now20:33
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robcresswellSorry everyone for missing the meeting, my fault, completely slipped my mind20:34
rdopierabetter than me last week, I realised next day20:34
david-lylehas this bitten anyone yet? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/api-no-more-extensions20:34
tsufievO.O20:35
david-lylelooks like some extensions are disappearing in newton20:35
david-lylehttps://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/newton/approved/api-no-more-extensions.html20:35
TravTseems like that'll break a couple things...20:35
david-lyleyeah20:35
tsufievdon't they have a deprecation period for that?20:36
david-lylethey already have20:36
* tsufiev seen none of related warnings in horizon console20:36
robcresswell#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ocata-summit20:36
david-lyleI wonder if the list_extensions just returns yes ?20:37
david-lyleI'd have to look back at exactly how we're getting them20:37
david-lylepotential fun for the day before N-320:37
david-lylerobcresswell: +!20:38
david-lyleor 120:38
robcresswellI'll send out an email with the etherpad20:38
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david-lylemeeting going twice...20:39
r1chardj0n3sthanks david-lyle :-)20:40
david-lylesold20:40
robcresswellYeah, thanks :)20:40
david-lyle#endmeeting20:40
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rdopieragood night o/~20:40
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