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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic_v2_api | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 12 15:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_v2_api)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_v2_api' | 15:00 |
| jroll | who's here? | 15:00 |
| sambetts | o/ | 15:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 15:00 |
| jroll | agenda is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic_v2_API#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 15:00 |
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| jroll | oh wow, I'm an idiot | 15:01 |
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| jroll | 1800 UTC | 15:01 |
| jroll | somehow my calendar was wrong | 15:01 |
| jroll | see y'all in 3 hours ;) | 15:01 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 12 15:01:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_v2_api/2016/ironic_v2_api.2016-07-12-15.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_v2_api/2016/ironic_v2_api.2016-07-12-15.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_v2_api/2016/ironic_v2_api.2016-07-12-15.00.log.html | 15:01 |
| sambetts | haha | 15:01 |
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| neiljerram | #startmeeting networking_calico | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 12 16:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is neiljerram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_calico' | 16:00 |
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| neiljerram | Hi everyone! | 16:01 |
| logan- | o/ | 16:01 |
| neiljerram | Welcome to this first ever networking-calico meeting. | 16:01 |
| neiljerram | Also my first time chairing an IRC meeting - so please bear with me if I screw up :-) | 16:02 |
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| neiljerram | #info Preliminary agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NetworkingCalico | 16:03 |
| neiljerram | #topic Introductions / Interested Parties | 16:03 |
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| neiljerram | Does anyone want to introduce themselves? | 16:04 |
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| erhudy | erhudy from bloomberg, we are an interested party | 16:04 |
| neiljerram | Hi erhudy | 16:04 |
| logan- | logan -- using calico in production at lstn.net | 16:05 |
| neiljerram | logan-, Hi | 16:05 |
| neiljerram | logan-, And many thanks for your ansible integration work | 16:06 |
| logan- | thanks for the review Neil! | 16:06 |
| logan- | looking forward to it merging :) | 16:06 |
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| neiljerram | OK, so I'd like to be very open in this meeting. | 16:07 |
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| neiljerram | The only thing so far on the formal agenda is to do with work needed for compliance with new Neutron stadium requirements. | 16:08 |
| neiljerram | But as this is our first meeting, please feel free to raise anything else. | 16:08 |
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| neiljerram | #topic Work for Neutron Stadium compliance | 16:09 |
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| neiljerram | I guess it makes sense to cover this first... | 16:10 |
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| neiljerram | Are people familiar with Armando's recent work to clarify the requirements here? | 16:11 |
| logan- | Nope | 16:11 |
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| neiljerram | My summary would be that the Neutron core team are looking for a greater alignment of implementation practices amongst all the Neutron stadium projects, so that they can properly understand them and take responsibility for them as part of the wider Neutron project. | 16:13 |
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| neiljerram | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312199/ | 16:15 |
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| neiljerram | We'd like networking-calico to remain as a stadium project, and that requires a little work: 1. setting up CI so that Neutron and networking-calico don't accidentally break each other | 16:17 |
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| neiljerram | 2. using Neutron code via neutron-lib instead of by importing 'neutron.*' modules - and therefore helping with anything that needs to be moved across to neutron-lib | 16:19 |
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| neiljerram | 3. continuing to develop networking-calico as an ML2 driver, as that's the most established/central Neutron pattern | 16:21 |
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| neiljerram | For example, we currently have a beta implementation of floating IPs, but for networking-calico operating as a core plugin. I think some work will be needed to make that work as an ML2 driver too. | 16:23 |
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| neiljerram | I believe those are the main things, and we need to deliver those over the next 6 months. | 16:24 |
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| neiljerram | Any thoughts? | 16:24 |
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| neiljerram | On the CI front, I've created an experimental job to do DevStack with the networking-calico plugin, and then run some Tempest tests: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338863/ | 16:26 |
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| neiljerram | That seems to indicate some required fixes to networking-calico's DevStack plugin code, which I've made a start on here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339263/. | 16:28 |
| matt_dupre | Looks like a good start - do you think we need a multi-host test in OpenStack CI as well? | 16:29 |
| neiljerram | But I don't think this is running properly yet. If anyone else wanted to look at and help there, that would be great. | 16:29 |
| neiljerram | matt_dupre, yes, that would be great too; but I'm not sure yet what the 'etiquette' is for using lots of OpenStack CI resources. | 16:30 |
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| neiljerram | Seems like it makes sense to get a single node test working first. | 16:30 |
| neiljerram | Overall, I think it makes sense to get basic CI in place first - then we'll have a useful check for when we tackle the other aspects of stadium compliance. | 16:32 |
| neiljerram | #topic Bugs | 16:33 |
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| neiljerram | This isn't on the agenda, but I think worth mentioning https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-calico | 16:33 |
| neiljerram | Please do feel free to raise anything new there, and/or to pick up and fix things! | 16:34 |
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| neiljerram | #topic Open Discussion | 16:35 |
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| neiljerram | Is there anything that someone else would like to say? | 16:36 |
| logan- | thanks Neil. glad to see floating ips merged.. I'm interested in testing it out on Mitaka with the 1.4 code but I have not seen any docs for it yet. | 16:36 |
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| neiljerram | Yes, indeed, I'm afraid that docs are still missing here. | 16:37 |
| logan- | also, preliminary reviews are appreciated on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340175/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340174/. I'm working toward having calico deployment merged into openstack-ansible this cycle | 16:37 |
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| logan- | the OSA side is mostly done at this point, the only big pieces left are cleanup and multi-os support in the bird/etcd roles | 16:38 |
| neiljerram | Cool. Are you getting good engagement from the Ansible folk there? | 16:39 |
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| logan- | they probably won't start to review those patches until the WIP tag is gone from the commit. expecting to strip the WIP tag later this week after the etcd/bird stuff is done | 16:40 |
| neiljerram | Right, makes sense. | 16:40 |
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| neiljerram | How easy would it be for someone with no Ansible experience at all (e.g. me) to try out that method of installation, including your patches? | 16:41 |
| logan- | but yes OSA is happy to have the plugin added afaik. and it will make deploying calico very easy | 16:41 |
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| logan- | building an AIO (cloud in a single VM) is simple. so you would just check out the code w/ proposed patches, and run thru the AIO build steps at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/developer-docs/quickstart-aio.html | 16:43 |
| neiljerram | Cool, I'll maybe give that a go then. | 16:43 |
| neiljerram | #action neiljerram to try Ansible install per http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible/developer-docs/quickstart-aio.html | 16:44 |
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| neiljerram | On the floating IP front, people might wonder why any docs are needed at all - given that it's done through the normal Neutron API - so I'll briefly mention that. | 16:44 |
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| neiljerram | It's just that the API for creating a floating IP requires a Neutron router - whereas Neutron routers aren't needed for any other Calico function. So I'm imagining a small addition to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/networking-calico/ to explain and justify that. | 16:46 |
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| neiljerram | Anything else before we wrap up for today? | 16:47 |
| logan- | is a router required per-tenant? | 16:47 |
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| neiljerram | Well Calico doesn't do per-tenant address spaces - so what aspect of per-tenant are you thinking of? | 16:49 |
| logan- | was trying to get an idea of how to configure the environment for floating ips. | 16:50 |
| neiljerram | Anyway I think the answer is no. The floating IP API requires an external net, with the floating IP CIDR defined on it, that is connected through a router to one or more non-external Neutron networks. | 16:50 |
| logan- | ok thanks, will give it a try | 16:51 |
| neiljerram | Cool. | 16:51 |
| neiljerram | Well thanks everyone for coming to this first meeting! | 16:53 |
| neiljerram | Please do feel free to add anything to the agenda for two weeks' time, or to raise things before then on the mailing list. | 16:53 |
| neiljerram | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NetworkingCalico | 16:54 |
| neiljerram | We know we've been largely a one-company project so far, but are genuinely keen to widen participation here. | 16:55 |
| neiljerram | (And many thanks to those who are already doing that!) | 16:55 |
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| neiljerram | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 12 16:56:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_calico/2016/networking_calico.2016-07-12-16.00.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_calico/2016/networking_calico.2016-07-12-16.00.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_calico/2016/networking_calico.2016-07-12-16.00.log.html | 16:56 |
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| topol | catherineD Hi | 17:35 |
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| topol | catherineD Hi | 17:37 |
| catherineD | topol: hello | 17:37 |
| topol | catherineD Are you there? | 17:37 |
| catherineD | yes | 17:37 |
| topol | Are you sure? | 17:38 |
| topol | :-) | 17:38 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic_v2_api | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 12 18:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_v2_api)" | 18:00 | |
| jroll | hey everyone | 18:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_v2_api' | 18:00 |
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| jroll | agenda is here | 18:00 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic_v2_API#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:00 |
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| jroll | anyone around? | 18:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 18:01 |
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| rloo | o/ | 18:01 |
| sambetts | o/ | 18:02 |
| jroll | alright, I guess let's get started | 18:02 |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: ironic_v2_api)" | 18:02 | |
| jroll | this is the first meeting | 18:02 |
| jroll | so I don't think I have anything, does anyone else? | 18:02 |
| jroll | cool | 18:03 |
| rloo | so is the meeting over? :) | 18:03 |
| devananda | :) | 18:04 |
| jroll | not getting off that easy :) | 18:04 |
| jroll | #topic discuss goals and assign work | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "discuss goals and assign work (Meeting topic: ironic_v2_api)" | 18:04 | |
| jroll | so we wrote down our goal for this cycle here: | 18:04 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-midcycle | 18:04 |
| jroll | line 479-486 | 18:04 |
| jroll | the short version: | 18:04 |
| jroll | architectural goals of new API | 18:05 |
| jroll | current API pain points, and how the new API will address these | 18:05 |
| jroll | implementation and release plan (how we'll develop it, how we'll support running both in parallel, when/whether we'll consider deprecating v1, etc) | 18:05 |
| jroll | we would like a spec with those items | 18:05 |
| jroll | we've got some notes on them above those lines, they need to be cleaned up a bit and clarified | 18:05 |
| jroll | does anyone want to take one of those items and write it up for the next meeting? | 18:06 |
| jroll | (which btw, due to nova midcycle will likely be two weeks from now) | 18:06 |
| jroll | if not, I will start writing them up | 18:06 |
| jroll | I'll likely start with the current pain points and how those will be addressed | 18:07 |
| rloo | thx for volunteering jroll | 18:07 |
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| jroll | yay. | 18:07 |
| jroll | plane work! | 18:07 |
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| devananda | jroll: I hope you get an upgrade :) | 18:07 |
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| devananda | I'll be driving... | 18:07 |
| rloo | jroll: did you reach out to API WG? | 18:08 |
| jroll | so, I'd like to get a decent spec up in the next month or so, and get the people here working on this beginning to agree on it within two months | 18:08 |
| jroll | rloo: no, it's on my calendar to join their meeting thursday | 18:08 |
| jroll | rloo: however, cdent said he's up for helping | 18:08 |
| jroll | I'll be sure to ping him and make sure he's in future meetings | 18:09 |
| rloo | jroll: so i think (unfortunately) that is aggressive, your timeline wrt the spec. | 18:09 |
| rloo | jroll: I mean, it'd be great to do it in that timeframe but I feel like there are already a lot of specs/code that need review before end of newton cycle | 18:09 |
| rloo | jroll: but just speaking for myself maybe | 18:09 |
| jroll | rloo: sure, note that this spec will not cover implementation | 18:09 |
| jroll | and I'm not asking for +2s in two months | 18:10 |
| jroll | but rather general agreement it's going the right direction | 18:10 |
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| jroll | so we can refine a bit before the summit | 18:10 |
| rloo | ah, ok. that is probably doable then. | 18:10 |
| devananda | my hope was that it would be in shape for everyone to read and have a design session on it | 18:10 |
| rloo | ++ devananda | 18:10 |
| jroll | ++ | 18:10 |
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| jroll | I'd like more than one person to agree with it before the summit, though :) | 18:11 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 18:11 |
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| jroll | okay, so I'll start on it over the next two weeks | 18:11 |
| devananda | jroll: I plan to collaborate on writing it, fwiw | 18:11 |
| jroll | devananda: awesome | 18:12 |
| jroll | I'll be sure to bug you | 18:12 |
| devananda | thanks :) | 18:12 |
| jroll | anything else on this topic? do we want this working group to have more goals than this? | 18:12 |
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| rloo | no more goals for now, else we'll need more volunteers ... :) | 18:13 |
| jroll | heh | 18:13 |
| devananda | for now, I think this is a good goal | 18:13 |
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| jroll | cool | 18:13 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 18:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic_v2_api)" | 18:13 | |
| jroll | anything else folks want to chat about? | 18:13 |
| jroll | I'm happy to have a quick meeting | 18:13 |
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| jroll | save the long meetings for the framework debates and such | 18:14 |
| jroll | :) | 18:14 |
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| rloo | ++ | 18:14 |
| devananda | llamas or zebras? :) | 18:14 |
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| rloo | unicorns cuz they're magical! | 18:14 |
| jroll | ^ | 18:14 |
| devananda | heh :) | 18:14 |
| jroll | also. alpacas. | 18:14 |
| * jroll pet an alpaca last weekend, such soft fur | 18:15 | |
| jroll | okay, let's bail. thanks for coming. I'll send a reminder but next meeting in two weeks. | 18:15 |
| rloo | great meeting :D | 18:15 |
| devananda | thanks for starting the meetings, jroll! | 18:16 |
| jroll | welcome :) | 18:16 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 18:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 12 18:16:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_v2_api/2016/ironic_v2_api.2016-07-12-18.00.html | 18:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_v2_api/2016/ironic_v2_api.2016-07-12-18.00.txt | 18:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_v2_api/2016/ironic_v2_api.2016-07-12-18.00.log.html | 18:16 |
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