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| rtheis | courtesy ping for osc meeting: dtroyer, dhellmann, stevemar, terrylhowe, dstanek, MeganR, rtheis, DuncanT, sheel, jgregor, baumann | 12:59 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 12:59 |
| stevemar | oh hai | 12:59 |
| rtheis | o/ | 13:00 |
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| rtheis | #startmeeting openstackclient | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 30 13:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rtheis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 13:01 |
| rtheis | #topic releases | 13:01 |
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| rtheis | Looks like we have osc-lib 0.2.0 | 13:01 |
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| RuiChen | o/ | 13:01 |
| rtheis | #link https://github.com/openstack/osc-lib/releases/tag/0.2.0 | 13:01 |
| rtheis | Next step is getting to osc 3.0 | 13:01 |
| stevemar | the fix i had for looking up by ID (without kwargs) is merged | 13:02 |
| rtheis | Last week we discussed tangchen's IP commands as one item needed for 3.0 | 13:02 |
| rtheis | stevemar: nice | 13:02 |
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| rtheis | stevemar: so we probably want another osc-lib release | 13:03 |
| rtheis | ? | 13:03 |
| stevemar | rtheis: yep, it's the only one fix: https://github.com/openstack/osc-lib/compare/0.2.0...master | 13:03 |
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| stevemar | rtheis: we need that since osc would have a regression otherwise | 13:03 |
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| rtheis | sure, does dtroyer or dhellmann handle the release? | 13:04 |
| rtheis | I'm not sure the process for that | 13:04 |
| stevemar | rtheis: any one of us can submit a patch to https://github.com/openstack/releases to release it | 13:04 |
| rtheis | 0.3.0 or 0.2.1 for this? | 13:05 |
| stevemar | if the PTL doesn't submit it, he still needs to +1 it | 13:05 |
| stevemar | i'd say 0.2.1 -- it's just a bug fix | 13:05 |
| rtheis | okay, I can look at submitting a patch set | 13:05 |
| rtheis | #action rtheis submit patch for 0.2.1 osc-lib release | 13:05 |
| stevemar | cool, dhellmann or dims will look at it | 13:06 |
| rtheis | Anything else for osc-lib? | 13:06 |
| stevemar | nope | 13:06 |
| rtheis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300388/ | 13:06 |
| rtheis | This is tangchen's IP command series start | 13:06 |
| rtheis | I think they just need a rebase | 13:06 |
| rtheis | and nothing new on role list patches | 13:07 |
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| rtheis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283554/ | 13:07 |
| rtheis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311460/ | 13:07 |
| stevemar | i can look at tang's stuff today | 13:07 |
| rtheis | thanks stevemar | 13:08 |
| rtheis | anything else for osc 3.0 release? | 13:08 |
| stevemar | not AFAICT | 13:08 |
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| rtheis | #topic reviews | 13:08 |
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| rtheis | any reviews that need attention? | 13:08 |
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| RuiChen | I can help to review tomorrow | 13:09 |
| stevemar | do we want to wait for the roles stuff to merge before 3.0.0'ing? | 13:09 |
| rtheis | stevemar: that was my understanding from last week | 13:09 |
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| stevemar | yeah, i guess we should | 13:09 |
| stevemar | it'll give us some more time to find bugs :) | 13:10 |
| rtheis | indeed :) | 13:10 |
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| stevemar | the puppet guys are running off of master | 13:10 |
| stevemar | crazy folks | 13:10 |
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| stevemar | (osc master) | 13:10 |
| rtheis | yes | 13:10 |
| rtheis | #topic bugs | 13:11 |
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| rtheis | any bugs to discuss? | 13:11 |
| stevemar | i can't think of any, we should totally have a bug triage day :P | 13:12 |
| stevemar | the list is getting long | 13:12 |
| RuiChen | I have one | 13:12 |
| RuiChen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1596511 | 13:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596511 in python-openstackclient "``volume type unset`` does not accept multiple "--property " arguments" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to sunyajing (yajing-sun) | 13:12 |
| rtheis | stevemar: yes the list is getting long | 13:12 |
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| RuiChen | might we should merge osc part before cinderclient part is merged | 13:12 |
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| rtheis | RuiChen: so a cinderclient patch is required first? | 13:13 |
| stevemar | i think we have to wait for a fix for cinderclient :( | 13:13 |
| rtheis | then we need to wait | 13:13 |
| stevemar | i have a bug -- one sec | 13:14 |
| RuiChen | ok, I try to push cinder team | 13:14 |
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| amotoki | hi | 13:14 |
| rtheis | RuiChen: thank you | 13:14 |
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| stevemar | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1592906 | 13:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1592906 in python-openstackclient "ensure all delete commands can take multiple objects" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to aohuanxuan (huanxuan-ao) | 13:14 |
| stevemar | someone want to do multi-delete for identity commands? :) | 13:15 |
| rtheis | looks like that is making good progress | 13:15 |
| rtheis | stevemar: is identity the last remaining commands to fix? | 13:15 |
| stevemar | i did the volume ones, huanxuan did the compute ones | 13:15 |
| rtheis | and network should be done | 13:16 |
| stevemar | yep | 13:16 |
| stevemar | oh huanxuan did the identity v2 ones too! | 13:16 |
| RuiChen | sounds great! | 13:16 |
| rtheis | is huanxuan planning to do v3? | 13:16 |
| stevemar | rtheis: i don't know his irc handle :( | 13:16 |
| rtheis | me either | 13:17 |
| RuiChen | i think aohuanxuan | 13:17 |
| stevemar | i think we just want: ec2creds, service, credential, and domain | 13:17 |
| stevemar | the other stuff can wait | 13:17 |
| stevemar | well, if i'm putting them in order of importance :) | 13:17 |
| rtheis | stevemar: sounds good, maybe you could update the bug report and let aohuanxuan know | 13:18 |
| stevemar | yep | 13:18 |
| rtheis | thanks | 13:18 |
| stevemar | ill try and triage the bugs over the weekend | 13:18 |
| stevemar | i'm off on fri and mon | 13:18 |
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| rtheis | okay, i'm off on monday for the us holiday | 13:19 |
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| rtheis | any other bugs | 13:19 |
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| RuiChen | aohuanxuan, tangchen and I will work together for China OpenStack bug smash in next week | 13:20 |
| stevemar | rtheis: nothing critical, just a lot of un-triaged | 13:20 |
| stevemar | RuiChen: nice! | 13:20 |
| rtheis | ++ | 13:20 |
| rtheis | thank you RuiChen | 13:20 |
| RuiChen | I think we can clean some bugs :-) | 13:20 |
| stevemar | RuiChen: i'm positive you three can! | 13:20 |
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| RuiChen | thanks | 13:21 |
| rtheis | #topic open discussion | 13:21 |
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| rtheis | any other topics to discuss? | 13:21 |
| RuiChen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310193/ | 13:21 |
| RuiChen | --all-property or --all-properties :) | 13:22 |
| rtheis | ah, yes ;) | 13:22 |
| rtheis | I was hoping to let dtroyer make the call on that | 13:22 |
| amotoki | at a first look, 'all-properties' (plural form) sounds natural too me. | 13:23 |
| stevemar | --all-properties makes sense (when you say it out loud) | 13:23 |
| RuiChen | I had send email to him about these, but no replay :( | 13:23 |
| rtheis | agreed | 13:23 |
| rtheis | I think the trouble comes when we have to make other names plurals | 13:24 |
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| rtheis | beyond "property" | 13:24 |
| amotoki | is there any consensus on '--no-<singular>' vs '--no-<plural>'? | 13:24 |
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| amotoki | it is similar one. | 13:24 |
| rtheis | --no-<singular> is the consensus | 13:24 |
| rtheis | at least in the devref | 13:25 |
| RuiChen | exactly | 13:25 |
| amotoki | thanks | 13:25 |
| stevemar | what is the other use of it? --no-? | 13:26 |
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| rtheis | So we would have --property, --no-property and --all-<?> | 13:27 |
| rtheis | I'm not sure if we have other usages | 13:27 |
| rtheis | I proposed --each-property as an alternative but not sure if I like that | 13:28 |
| rtheis | it reads better but "each" is not intuitive to me anyway | 13:28 |
| RuiChen | "unset --each-property" sounds good to me | 13:29 |
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| amotoki | "unset --all-properties" sounds better to me because a command unsets all properties. | 13:30 |
| stevemar | oh we should probably talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295026/ too | 13:30 |
| amotoki | i think we use 'each' when we do something for 'each' thing. | 13:30 |
| rtheis | maybe we continue discussion in the devref and give dtroyer time to respond | 13:31 |
| rtheis | sorry in the code review | 13:31 |
| rtheis | stevemar: yes that's another one | 13:31 |
| rtheis | that cinder command is odd and I'm starting to like RuiChen's idea | 13:32 |
| stevemar | rtheis: i think that's a good idea for the --no-? --each-? | 13:32 |
| stevemar | whats RuiChen's idea? | 13:33 |
| stevemar | my gut told me a different command from the beginning | 13:33 |
| stevemar | we're going to try and display a list in a list | 13:33 |
| rtheis | see his latest comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295026/ | 13:33 |
| RuiChen | I have no idea about --each-property or --all-properties, both good to me :) | 13:34 |
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| stevemar | reading | 13:35 |
| stevemar | does "cinder type-access-list" work without a --volume-type argument? | 13:35 |
| RuiChen | in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295026/ , I think we can add access info into volume type object in show command | 13:35 |
| rtheis | stevemar: it doesn't appear to | 13:36 |
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| rtheis | but I haven't checked the API | 13:36 |
| RuiChen | stevemar: no, --volume-type is required in cinderclient | 13:36 |
| stevemar | i'd say "list" in cinderclient was incorrectly named .... | 13:36 |
| stevemar | adding it to volume type show sounds good to me | 13:37 |
| stevemar | we can show a list in a single command | 13:37 |
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| stevemar | just like we do with properties | 13:37 |
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| rtheis | stevemar: do we have any similar examples for this in other commands? | 13:37 |
| rtheis | meaning show pulls in additional properties to display for a resource | 13:38 |
| stevemar | rtheis: i'm positive we do | 13:38 |
| rtheis | thanks | 13:38 |
| rtheis | looks like cinder API requires volume type to show access: http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-blockstorage-v2.html | 13:39 |
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| rtheis | If anyone has an example to share with sheel in the review, I think that would be good. I can take a look too | 13:40 |
| stevemar | i am looking for one too | 13:41 |
| rtheis | anything else to discuss on these 2 reviews? | 13:41 |
| stevemar | speaking of sheel and the volume commands, it looks like he's slowed down, maybe more $day_job for him | 13:41 |
| rtheis | yeah | 13:41 |
| stevemar | we should probably pick up the slack a bit with the volume commands | 13:42 |
| rtheis | any other topics? | 13:43 |
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| stevemar | let's have a midcycle :P | 13:43 |
| rtheis | hawaii might be nice | 13:43 |
| rtheis | :) | 13:43 |
| rtheis | stevemar: has osc had a midcycle in the past? | 13:44 |
| stevemar | it's right between us and RuiChen and tangchen :) | 13:44 |
| rtheis | indeed | 13:44 |
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| RuiChen | +1 for hawaii :) | 13:44 |
| stevemar | rtheis: we have not, it was dtroyer and myself for the longest time | 13:44 |
| stevemar | but now our empire has grown! | 13:44 |
| stevemar | we could do a virtual one | 13:45 |
| rtheis | it has, so definitely something to consider | 13:45 |
| stevemar | trove and ceilometer do that | 13:45 |
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| stevemar | tangchen, RuiChen and aohuanxuan meeting up during the china bug smash will be like a midcycle for them :) | 13:46 |
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| stevemar | we could send it to the mailing list | 13:47 |
| stevemar | i'll poke dtroyer about it today and see what he says | 13:47 |
| rtheis | thanks stevemar | 13:47 |
| RuiChen | yeah, we can talk face to face, it's great | 13:47 |
| rtheis | Maybe RuiChen could post to mailing list about the bug smash and see if others would like to help virtually | 13:48 |
| RuiChen | ok, I will send it | 13:48 |
| rtheis | thanks | 13:48 |
| RuiChen | my pleasure | 13:48 |
| stevemar | looks like google hangouts is mostly used for virtual sprints https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 13:49 |
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| stevemar | rtheis: we'd run into a timezone problem | 13:50 |
| stevemar | but i wouldn't mind trying it out | 13:50 |
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| rtheis | right, may have to split it up morning and evening | 13:51 |
| rtheis | anything else for today? | 13:52 |
| stevemar | nothing from me | 13:52 |
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| rtheis | last call ... | 13:52 |
| RuiChen | maybe we can vote the midcycle time for all the osc team members | 13:52 |
| RuiChen | nothing from me too | 13:53 |
| stevemar | RuiChen: let's see if dtroyer wants to do it anyway :P | 13:53 |
| stevemar | RuiChen: when is the china bug smash? | 13:53 |
| rtheis | yep and then we can discuss and work out the details | 13:54 |
| RuiChen | 6-8 July in china | 13:54 |
| stevemar | nice, 3 days | 13:54 |
| stevemar | rtheis: wrap this up! | 13:54 |
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| rtheis | yes | 13:55 |
| rtheis | thanks all | 13:55 |
| rtheis | #endmeeting | 13:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 30 13:55:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-06-30-13.01.html | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-06-30-13.01.txt | 13:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-06-30-13.01.log.html | 13:55 |
| stevemar | rtheis: as long as i attend, dtroyer never gets a short meeting :) | 13:55 |
| RuiChen | thank you everybody | 13:55 |
| rtheis | :) | 13:55 |
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| vgridnev_ | #startmeeting sahara | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 30 14:01:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:01 |
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| vgridnev_ | hello folks | 14:01 |
| egafford | o/ | 14:01 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:01 |
| mionkin | hi | 14:01 |
| huichun | hello | 14:01 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 14:01 |
| crobertsrh | hel\o/ | 14:02 |
| vgridnev_ | i'm experience some issues with my znc, so today i'm vgridnev_ | 14:02 |
| johnbelamaric | oops - wrong meeting for me - see you :) | 14:02 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:02 |
| zemuvier | hi | 14:02 |
| esikachev | hi | 14:02 |
| vgridnev_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:02 |
| vgridnev_ | #topic News / updates | 14:02 |
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| egafford | Got the initial version of the image gen CLI up as a WIP; it actually totally works, more or less exactly the way I hoped it would. \o/ | 14:03 |
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| tosky | working on consolidating tests under sahara-tests | 14:04 |
| vgridnev_ | mostly working on plugins api, and UI for that also | 14:04 |
| egafford | I also got an RPM package upstream for sahara-image-elements. | 14:04 |
| esikachev | sahara-ci labs reinstalled, updating of sahara-tests patches | 14:04 |
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| mionkin | added new implementation of migration from novaclient.v2.images to glanceclient; also finished adding CDH 5.7 in sahara and elements (this patches on review) | 14:06 |
| zemuvier | working on cli tests | 14:06 |
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| vgridnev_ | huichun, crobertsrh NikitaKonovalov some news? | 14:07 |
| crobertsrh | No real news from me. | 14:07 |
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| crobertsrh | a handful of reviews, but that's it | 14:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | not much from me, I've almost completed the validation patch | 14:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | it is supposed to fix the duplicate names check | 14:08 |
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| egafford | tellesnobrega: ping? | 14:09 |
| huichun | Just reviews ,back to China recently | 14:09 |
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| vgridnev_ | NikitaKonovalov, probably we've got another issue related to is_public field https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1588795 | 14:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1588795 in Sahara "Error when trying to show details of cluster from other tenants (is_public = True)" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Vitaly Gridnev (vgridnev) | 14:10 |
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| vgridnev_ | just verified that issue is present on Mitaka lab | 14:10 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | vgridnev_: I dont think it's related to name validation | 14:11 |
| NikitaKonovalov | it looks more like a context issue | 14:11 |
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| vgridnev_ | anyway it's related to public clusters | 14:12 |
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| vgridnev_ | ok, seems like there is no other news | 14:12 |
| vgridnev_ | #topic Review priorities | 14:13 |
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| vgridnev_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-review-priorities | 14:13 |
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| vgridnev_ | new topic was introduced for core reviewers, so when is change is almost ready to be merged (need one more +2 to be merged) core can put that to bring attention of other cores | 14:14 |
| vgridnev_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:sahara-final-core-vote | 14:14 |
| crobertsrh | nice idea | 14:14 |
| vgridnev_ | additionally, we have changes that should repair your gates | 14:15 |
| vgridnev_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335914/ | 14:15 |
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| vgridnev_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336024/ | 14:15 |
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| vgridnev_ | and the last one for stable branch to address issues with CI | 14:16 |
| vgridnev_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336000/ | 14:16 |
| vgridnev_ | probably it should be also done to stable/liberty | 14:16 |
| egafford | vgridnev: On the extjs fix, is this occasionally down or is the file gone forever? | 14:17 |
| tosky | given that the last version is 5 and it's commercial, well | 14:17 |
| tosky | I suspect that the Hadoop community should try to find a different dependency | 14:17 |
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| egafford | tosky: +1 certainly, though that's not totally our call. :) | 14:18 |
| tosky | yeah, sure :) | 14:18 |
| tosky | like support for newer operating systems than "really old centos" and "really old ubuntu" | 14:18 |
| tosky | anyway | 14:18 |
| egafford | Is there any possibility of hosting the dep from an OpenStack domain? | 14:19 |
| egafford | tosky: Yeah, Hadoop is showing its age for sure. | 14:19 |
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| vgridnev_ | egafford, I'll try to ask that with infra folks, probably we can replace other files like Oozie builds, to openstack domain | 14:20 |
| egafford | vgridnev_: Yeah, it'd just be a bit more OSS of us. :) | 14:21 |
| vgridnev_ | so, I think since elmiko is away today, we can skip apiv2 today | 14:22 |
| egafford | +1; haven't seen any reviews on it. | 14:22 |
| crobertsrh | +1 | 14:22 |
| vgridnev_ | #topic Open discussion | 14:22 |
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| vgridnev_ | no specs to review today, but I hope will get some soon about pagination; | 14:23 |
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| vgridnev_ | not sure | 14:23 |
| tosky | I have a work in progress patch that moves the CLI tests under sahara_tempest_plugins | 14:23 |
| egafford | Pagination would be good. I also would love to see us get back to talking about rolling upgrades (may try to spec that out after the image CLI.) | 14:24 |
| tosky | so I would like to ask if I can proceed with that, I think it's required: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335946/ | 14:24 |
| tosky | the downside is that, if accepted, two patches from zemuvier should be wait and be adapted (talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335546/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335959/) | 14:24 |
| tosky | note: my patch is not complete yet, there is a failure which I'm investigating | 14:25 |
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| tosky | if accepted, the plan is to keep the two separate jenkins job for now, but that can be changed | 14:25 |
| vgridnev_ | egafford, that can be good. we should be back on that, probably blueprint should change assignee of that, since there no activity from ken chen | 14:25 |
| egafford | vgridnev_: Yeah, it's pretty critical. | 14:25 |
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| egafford | tosky: Cool re: your patch (and migrating to tempest for CLI); just ping when it's ready (maybe mark it WIP for now, remove when ready?) | 14:26 |
| egafford | (Where by WIP I mean WF-1?) | 14:27 |
| vgridnev_ | ok, tosky, that might be a good to keep that together | 14:27 |
| tosky | also because I'm not sure how to cleanly handle two different tempest entry points | 14:27 |
| tosky | and then we can share the configuration | 14:27 |
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| egafford | Hm; we've lost our chair. | 14:28 |
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| egafford | \o/ | 14:28 |
| vgridnev_ | oouch | 14:28 |
| tosky | and also, packagers (at least for RDO) would scream for another separate directory installed by sahara-tests | 14:28 |
| egafford | vgridnev_: (Maybe add a second chair) | 14:29 |
| egafford | tosky: Well, we can always subpackage. | 14:29 |
| vgridnev_ | I just occasionally closed irc client, anyway | 14:29 |
| vgridnev_ | #chair egafford | 14:29 |
| openstack | Current chairs: egafford vgridnev_ | 14:29 |
| tosky | egafford: trust me, I'd like to avoid a second subpackage | 14:29 |
| vgridnev_ | there were asked to disable internal storage for sahara https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1585889 | 14:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1585889 in Sahara "There's no option to disable internal db for storing sahara job binaries" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Alexander Ignatov (aignatov) | 14:31 |
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| vgridnev_ | I guess that we can just disable that by option in sahara, anyway, what do with dashboard? | 14:32 |
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| egafford | vgridnev_: We were talking about removing internal storage entirely now that we have a few better options. Are we still considering that? | 14:33 |
| egafford | (Blobs in a DB is really pretty silly.) | 14:33 |
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| egafford | If we are ok with that, it shouldn't be too crazy to just rip the feature out of the dashboard in all cases. | 14:34 |
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| vgridnev_ | I guess that we can deprecate that in Newton in sahara | 14:34 |
| aignatov | egafford: hi, what do you mean by better options? :) | 14:34 |
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| vgridnev_ | aignatov, swift, hdfs, manila, right egafford ? | 14:35 |
| egafford | aignatov: Right. | 14:35 |
| egafford | (Was writing a longer response, but that's the idea. :) ) | 14:36 |
| aignatov | vgridnev_: yes, but that are not well tested except swift I guess… | 14:36 |
| egafford | I can certainly see leaving the internal DB option for POCs or for the rare customers that really don't want Swift. | 14:36 |
| aignatov | egafford: exactly, I think the same | 14:36 |
| tosky | yeah, it could be an option disabled by default from Newton and which prints a big warning in the logs when enabled | 14:37 |
| aignatov | it’s actully good thing for dev and qa usecases, but not for production for sure :) | 14:37 |
| tosky | QEs can afford a simple swift server, or use hdfs :) | 14:38 |
| aignatov | I mean lets not rip it, deprecation is ok, to hide it is also ok. | 14:38 |
| egafford | aignatov: +1. | 14:38 |
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| vgridnev_ | ok finally, hiding from dashboard by default (by option or always?) and another option for sahara | 14:39 |
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| egafford | vgridnev_: I think that's the idea, yeah. | 14:41 |
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| tosky | do we need an option in the dashboard? Isn't it possible for the dashboard to check if it's exposed in sahara? | 14:41 |
| tosky | that would mean maybe an API call | 14:41 |
| egafford | tosky: Yeah, building a whole feature architecture would be cool, but I feel like that's very large. | 14:42 |
| crobertsrh | Yeah, probably an api call, unless we can piggyback on an existing one | 14:42 |
| crobertsrh | I can't think of what we'd piggyback on though | 14:42 |
| vgridnev_ | uh, I think that is possible to understand from API, if list of internals returned validation error, it maybe a signal | 14:42 |
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| crobertsrh | heh, I suppose that would work | 14:42 |
| egafford | Ideally all of data source, job type, engine, etc. would be plugglable and discoverable, but that's Future Work for sure. | 14:43 |
| egafford | vgridnev_: Yeah, that's not actually unreasonable. | 14:44 |
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| egafford | Anything else today? | 14:46 |
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| vgridnev_ | ok, since we have few minutes, we can also discuss another issue | 14:47 |
| vgridnev_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1458853 | 14:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1458853 in Sahara "source contains prebuilt java object" [Undecided,Triaged] | 14:47 |
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| tosky | is there a way to add a build script for those jars? That would allow packagers to rebuild them | 14:48 |
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| egafford | The sahara.service.edp ones should be okay. Hopefully the MapR folks haven't actually put anything proprietary in their jar. | 14:49 |
| vgridnev_ | tosky, we have them for sahara-extra, I guess | 14:49 |
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| vgridnev_ | so, we just keeping that on current place, or we can put that on our images? BTW, my only thought is upgrade case | 14:51 |
| egafford | Hm; question. If you add the .java files into a .jar with licenses (in addition to the .class files), is it considered OSS enough? | 14:51 |
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| egafford | That's an easy thing to do that just hasn't been done in these .jars. | 14:51 |
| vgridnev_ | probably we can put some instructions where to get them and where them are located | 14:52 |
| tosky | the point is that there are binary blobs that packagers needs to remove from their packages (and rebuild from source instead) | 14:52 |
| tosky | so if there are automated ways to rebuild them that can be used as part of the packaging process, that would be useful | 14:52 |
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| vgridnev_ | so, there is a build script for hadoop-swift, for example | 14:53 |
| vgridnev_ | https://github.com/openstack/sahara-extra/blob/master/tools/build-hadoop-openstack.sh | 14:53 |
| egafford | There are, for sure. Also there aren't any class files in any that aren't org.openstack or org.apache, so we should be fine. | 14:53 |
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| tosky | I would ask packagers (starting with zigo, who reported the issue) to see what could it be an accepted solution | 14:54 |
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| vgridnev_ | ok, how can start doing that? | 14:55 |
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| zigo | Use the source luke. | 14:57 |
| zigo | Don't build with blobs. | 14:57 |
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| vgridnev_ | it can't be just source, actually. | 14:59 |
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| egafford | vgridnev_: Maybe we should take this to #openstack-sahara. | 15:00 |
| vgridnev_ | ok, time is over | 15:00 |
| vgridnev_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 30 15:00:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-30-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-30-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-30-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 30 15:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 15:00 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 15:00 |
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| vikram_ | hi | 15:00 |
| tidwellr | hi | 15:00 |
| yamamoto_ | hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #chair tidwellr carl_baldwin | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:01 |
| * njohnston has a fence repair guy coming; mfranc213 will represent FWaaS and the L3 agent extension work. | 15:01 | |
| mlavalle | Hi everybody | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | njohnston: noted. thanks | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| mfranc213 | hello | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | Agenda is here: | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | Newton-2 is just around the corner. You can find the official Newton delivery schedule here: | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | So it is July 11 - 15 | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | Also a reminder to those who plan to submit a talk proposal for the Barcelona summit. The submission deadline is July 13th | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | Finally a reminder of the Neutron mid-cycle meeting in Cork Ireland, August 17th - 19th. The etherpad is here: | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm all booked. | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Any other annoucements from the team? | 15:05 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Great! | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | #Topic Bugs | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564335 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564335 in neutron " [Pluggable IPAM] delete subnet in ml2 plugin does not comply with pluggable ipam (deletes ip allocations directly from db)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | I don't think Pavel is online today | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | I was looking at it a little last night. I don't think we need to expose this through the API. | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'll finish my feedback soon. | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | perfect, thanks! | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | any other comments about this one? | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on... | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1596075 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596075 in neutron "Neutron confused about overlapping subnet creation" [High,Incomplete] | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | Last night I tried to replicate this bug. I wrote a small script, that I posted in the bug itself | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | Yeah, something strange is going on. | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | Ran the script many many times, couldn't replicate | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | I looked through the code and can't think of anything but duplicate API requests that would cause it. | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | Could it be the orchestration stuff? | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | The reason of using a script was to remove that element and sure enough the bug didn't show up | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | I don't know. Could a load balancer duplicate requests? | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | I don't think so | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | I'll look today in the logs the reporter posted there to see if I find something. I'll comment my findings | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | Well, I think we need some more input on this one. | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | Agree. Let's see if we can get more data | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | ok | 15:14 |
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| mlavalle | Those are all the high priority bugs we have | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | Any other bugs from the team? | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | There's a new one. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1597561 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1597561 in neutron "L3 agent allows multiple gateway ports in fip namespace" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | I filed it and I'm working on it. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | It is High because of the detrimental effect it has on the network. It isn't very common though. | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | ok, you filed it after I updated the etherpad yesterday. I'll add it | 15:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think I'm going to start by adding code to make sure there is only one fg port after adding one. | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | That's all on this one. | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | Thanks! | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | ok let's move on | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think we're in pretty good shape. We need to stay on DHCP to see it through but I think we're close. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm getting good feedback from matt on my Nova patch. Once that is agreed on, I'll wrap up the Neutron side: the new extension to mark deferred IP ports. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | I feel pretty good about those parts. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | There is the service subnets code. How is that john-davidge ? | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: ^ | 15:21 |
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| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Ball is currently in haleyb's court on that | 15:22 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: i've been working on re-basing to master, need to finish that up | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: ping me anytime you need a review. | 15:22 |
| haleyb | will do | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | The big risk is Nova scheduling. | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | We're stuck behind a long pole there. | 15:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Anything to report? | 15:28 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, the work that johnthetubaguy is doing to prep allocate for instance to it is not priority | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | and it freezes today | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats as we expected, sadly | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is always the exception process, but its a long shot | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | johnthetubaguy: so from your point of view, the g-r-p and scheduler work will be done in this ccyle? | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | johnthetubaguy: in other words, will the scheduler will be using g-r-p to shedule instances? | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, I hope will make enough progress to unblock you this cycle | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | johnthetubaguy: The consequence is that we pay a much higher price when we race for that last IP on a segment, right? | 15:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the external interface is a little tricky | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, its worse, probably no scheduling to start with | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | johnthetubaguy: We're not giving up on that yet. | 15:32 |
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| mlavalle | johnthetubaguy: with a little of your guidance, could we continue working on the moving of allocate for instance to the conductor? | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | At least one of our early adopters has their own solution for scheduling. Maybe the rest can just monitor IP usage and keep on top of it until we wrap it up. | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I think that's about all, right? | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | yeah, let's move on... | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | cores please look for reviews on the etherpad. | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:37 |
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| tidwellr | hi | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | I put up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335310/ | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | I think this is what it takes to get the dsvm jobs to pass, it still needs a lot of work | 15:38 |
| tidwellr | I could you some pointers on how to get these jobs running | 15:38 |
| tidwellr | we're getting late in the cycle and have code starting to be proposed against neutron-dynamic-routing, and still are missing important check jobs | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Still needs testing work? | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I can look at it once those are worked out. | 15:40 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: no, we just need the check jobs running | 15:40 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: I can run the tests locally, they just don't run in the gate yet | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I mean the failing unit tests. | 15:41 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: somehow the formula of adding tempest to test-requirements.txt and creating the tempest plugin makes the unit tests fail | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Interesting. | 15:43 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: a very suprising turn of events, the changes I made in that patch shouldn't affect the unit tests at all | 15:43 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: it does something to the imports that makes things go haywire | 15:43 |
| tidwellr | I don't understand it all yet and I'm just fumbling around at the moment :) | 15:43 |
| tidwellr | if someone is looking to pitch in, this is a great place to start | 15:44 |
| tidwellr | that's all I had | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for the update tidwellr! | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | #topic FWaaS | 15:46 |
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| mickeys | Regarding BGP EVPN, the one think I was not clear on is neutron client versus OSC | 15:46 |
| mickeys | What is the status of OSC for neutron dynamic routing? | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | #undo | 15:46 |
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| mlavalle | tidwellr: ^^^ | 15:47 |
| tidwellr | mickeys: neutron client vs OSC is still unclear to me too | 15:47 |
| mickeys | tidwellr: Do we know if OSC will be addressed in this cycle? | 15:47 |
| tidwellr | mickeys: I thought we were moving in that direction, but it seems like it's moving slowly | 15:49 |
| tidwellr | mickeys: I have to confess I'm not following it too closely | 15:49 |
| mickeys | tidwellr: Anyone else I should check with? | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | mickeys, tidwellr: I would start with rtheis | 15:50 |
| mickeys | mlavalle: OK, thanks. That is all I had. | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | He may not be the person for this specific topic, but I am sure he can point us in the right direction | 15:50 |
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| mlavalle | #topic FWaaS | 15:50 |
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| mfranc213 | hello everyone. njohnston and i recently refactored the l2 agent extension code to generalize it for both l3 and l2 extensions. i'll be removing the WIP with the next PS; and at this time we hope to get feedback on this change (understanding that we'll move parts of it to neutron-lib at some point). https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329701 | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | mfranc213: the floor is yours | 15:51 |
| mfranc213 | hi :) | 15:51 |
| mfranc213 | so in addition to hoping to get review on that, | 15:51 |
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| mfranc213 | nate and i had two questions, on the above change and as we move forward in implementing the fwaas l3 agent. (if people have feedback maybe they can post to #openstack-fwaas as these dicussions are there from earlier today.) | 15:51 |
| mfranc213 | first: what do people think of the idea of collapsing the [L2/L3]AgentCoreResourceExtension classes into one? | 15:51 |
| mfranc213 | and ... | 15:51 |
| mfranc213 | second: does/should the l3 agent use the same RPC callbacks library that the l2 agent uses? (we couldn't see that it did--maybe our newness to neutron.agent.rpc versus neutron.api.rpc lies at the root of this question.) | 15:52 |
| mfranc213 | sorry for pasting so much... | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | mfranc213: can these questions be answered in the review to the patchset? | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | mfranc213: Is it ready for reviews? | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | Oh, I missed a line up there. Hold on... | 15:54 |
| mfranc213 | yes, they can, and yes, it is. i need to remove the WIP. | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | mfranc213: I would ask those questions as commenbts in the relevant parts of the patchset | 15:55 |
| mfranc213 | okay, i will. thank you! | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | to draw attention from reviewers | 15:55 |
| mfranc213 | yes, makes perfect sense. | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | I can take a look at the patch set soon. | 15:56 |
| mfranc213 | great. thank you. | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | mfranc213: anything else? | 15:56 |
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| mfranc213 | nope, that's it. | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | mfranc213: thanks for the update! | 15:56 |
| mfranc213 | my pleasure | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | #topic Conversion to pluggable IPAM | 15:57 |
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| johnbelamaric | I am on the hook for the IPAM docs - just want to let all know I won't be able to get to them until the week after next. | 15:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: that'll be fine. | 15:58 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: ok, good | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Thanks for taking that on. | 15:58 |
| mlavalle | anything else on this topic? | 15:58 |
| mlavalle | ok.... | 15:59 |
| rtheis | move to osc is slower than we would like but plan is in devref within neutronclient and amotoki is working on OSC plugin which I think will be direction for dynamic routing cli | 15:59 |
| johnbelamaric | mlavalle: not now - pavel_bondar is not here and I haven't had a chance to sync with him. i think we are out of meeting time now | 15:59 |
| mlavalle | Time is over | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | Bye. | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for attending! | 16:00 |
| tidwellr | bye | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| mfranc213 | bye | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 30 16:00:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-06-30-15.00.html | 16:00 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 30 16:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| etoews | #chair elmiko cdent | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| etoews | heh. | 16:01 |
| etoews | this might be a short one ;) | 16:01 |
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| gouthamr | etoews: haha. okay, i've an update after a long while on the experimental API proposal. I wanted to abandon it, seeing how the proliferation of experimental and non-experimental APIs have started showing up, as some reviewers noted. Would be willing to discuss further and explore the alternate direction pointed in the reviews | 16:04 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273158/ | 16:04 |
| etoews | hi gouthamr! | 16:05 |
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| gouthamr | etoews: hi :) yes.. tl;dr though, we wanted to explore the possibility of tagging certain APIs as 'experimental' and integrate this with the microversions framework | 16:06 |
| gouthamr | etoews: in manila | 16:06 |
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| etoews | is that the "alternate direction"? | 16:07 |
| gouthamr | etoews: nah. that's what's being done today.. | 16:07 |
| etoews | ah. so it was only a subset of the api you wanted to be experimental? | 16:08 |
| gouthamr | etoews: yes, only for new features in the project where we weren't going to be sure if the API could be supported forever | 16:08 |
| gouthamr | etoews: in the form it was introduces | 16:08 |
| gouthamr | s/introduces/introduced | 16:09 |
| etoews | i see. and for the alternate direction, how do you want to proceed? | 16:10 |
| etoews | abandon the current patch set and then... | 16:10 |
| etoews | start something new | 16:10 |
| etoews | or | 16:10 |
| etoews | begin with a mailing list discussion? | 16:10 |
| gouthamr | etoews: I could cite an example of a problem we ran into recently with an 'experimental' API that had to be booted. | 16:11 |
| etoews | sure | 16:11 |
| etoews | that kind of information always hels | 16:11 |
| etoews | s/hels/helps/ | 16:11 |
| gouthamr | etoews: i'll explore the direction sdague pointed out in the review.. and maybe make a ML post | 16:12 |
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| gouthamr | etoews: that's all i had :) | 16:13 |
| etoews | gouthamr: okay. want to go ahead and click on abandon for the current review? | 16:13 |
| gouthamr | yessir | 16:14 |
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| etoews | gouthamr: cool. thanks for keeping up with that! | 16:14 |
| gouthamr | etoews: sure.. thank you for the review! | 16:14 |
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| etoews | alrighty. i'll leave the meeting open while i write the weekly api wg newsletter. ping me if you want to chat. | 16:24 |
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| etoews | sent the newsletter | 16:43 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
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| docaedo | App Catalog meeting ping - kfox1111 olaph sskripnick kzaitsev_mb | 17:00 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 17:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | pong, I've got a couple of things to show ) | 17:00 |
| docaedo | Hello mfedosin - I should have courtesy pinged you too! | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | #topic Status updates | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | Might as well dive right in, kzaitsev_mb and mfedosin probably have much to share :) | 17:01 |
| mfedosin | yeah, we have something :) | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, so I would like to revive the discussion we had back in Austin about our dashboards and OSC CLIs | 17:02 |
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| mfedosin | ping me when it's glare related topic | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've pushed a couple of commits on review, that show how we can make it so, that muranodashboard and app-catalog-ui would share the same Dashboard in horizon | 17:02 |
| docaedo | I looked at the code a bit today, and have a devstack environment I'll try it in | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: I can share a gif of the recording | 17:03 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: that would be great for others to see, thanks | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | don't think, that the commits are devstack ready yet | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | https://www.dropbox.com/s/26sfxpoc9hd8gi7/shared_dashboard.gif?dl=0 | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | they involve changing the horizon config files, i.e. that change has to be made in devstack config | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_mb | of horizon | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://www.dropbox.com/s/26sfxpoc9hd8gi7/shared_dashboard.gif?dl=0 | 17:04 |
| docaedo | ah ok | 17:04 |
| docaedo | Does it work even if you don't have murano installed? I think that was the hard part to figure out, guessing you figured it out | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | And they're all red because of than =) tests fail to run roperly since horizon is not configured properly by devstack plugins %) | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: yes! that was the goal | 17:05 |
| docaedo | awesome! | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so if you have either murano or app-catalog you would get only relevan panels, but both would spawn an 'Applications' dashboard | 17:06 |
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| docaedo | watching the gif now, looks great! | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | we would have 2 identical files in our repos, but they're like 3 lines long | 17:06 |
| * olaph apologies for being late... | 17:07 | |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335725/4/app_catalog/enabled/_50_dashboard_applications.py | 17:07 |
| docaedo | welcome olaph :) dig that link to the dropbox gif, looks sweet | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | this one actually initialises the Applications dashboard | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and all the rest of the configs are decoupled into smaller chunks | 17:08 |
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| docaedo | that's great stuff | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so. I would like to revive the discussion about the names of the panels =) The hardest thing in programming ) | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: what do you think — should we create an etherpad and advertise it on ML, to get some ideas brainstormed | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and also get some of kfox1111's attention =) | 17:10 |
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| docaedo | sure .. I don't even remember what the debate was to be honest but best to lay it out | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: If my memorey serves me right — we agreed to agree later on the layot =) | 17:11 |
| docaedo | mostly I don't think anyone will care - there's murano team that has strong opinions and a history, and from the app catalog side I have some opinions, and kfox1111 does as well though he's pretty busy on other fronts these days | 17:11 |
| docaedo | I think the idea of combining things under "applications" in general makes sense (like we agreed for the CLI piece) | 17:12 |
| docaedo | and there are no other projects that I'm aware of who would lay claim to using "applications" in this context :) | 17:12 |
| docaedo | but laying it out clear on an etherpad is the best plan | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've got to dig out those etherpads and see how exactly we've wanted to name it in the CLI ) | 17:13 |
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| docaedo | (I'll look for it in a second, I think I can find quick) .. my memory though was that we would put app-catalog and murano stuff under same "applications" name space | 17:14 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so, ok. I can take that action item. Wanted to do it like this Tuesday, but figuring out the dashboards prooved to be more difficult than I thought %) | 17:15 |
| docaedo | then have clear distinctions on when something is available locally, or in the remote catalog | 17:15 |
| docaedo | yeah dashboards are never as easy as you expect right? | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | in fact there's going to be a giant commit, that just does a renaming of the urls in muranodashboard =) | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | busting .pyc left from renamed configs is the worst! | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok then | 17:16 |
| docaedo | haha yeah true - doesn't have to break though, can be compatible so old users don't get grump | 17:16 |
| docaedo | *grumpy | 17:17 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb file an etherpad with potential 'Applications' dashboard layouts and advertise it on ML | 17:17 |
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| docaedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-app-catalog | 17:18 |
| docaedo | That's from the Austin summit | 17:18 |
| * docaedo is scared to look, suspects he's got a stack of action items that need some action... | 17:18 | |
| kzaitsev_mb | yeah. and the deadline for Barcelona's talks is like a couple of weeks away... | 17:19 |
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| docaedo | but the very bottom of that etherpad is what I was remembering with panels, and I think we basically agreed then - good to start a ML thread to confirm | 17:19 |
| docaedo | yep, basically two weeks left for talk submissions | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | And I remember having an AI to verify that it's possible/feasible =) | 17:20 |
| docaedo | nice work, you did it! | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kind of ) | 17:20 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, I think we're done with this part then | 17:21 |
| docaedo | cool | 17:21 |
| docaedo | any other updates from things you've been working on? | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I think we have a few things to say about glare | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | 1st — the auth part | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332911/ | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sskripnik (sad he's not here) did it a bit differently than I thought, but still feasible | 17:23 |
| docaedo | oh yeah, I had a question about needing memcache running on the app-catalog server | 17:23 |
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| docaedo | for other work I've also been looking at http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0.html lately | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | since we have v2 as a proxy for glare — he just add auth to v2 | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | instead of making it a middleware before glare | 17:24 |
| docaedo | that makes sense | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | From the first glance (I'm not shure if the pun is intended) the approach looks ok | 17:24 |
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| olaph | woop woop | 17:25 |
| docaedo | haha yeah I have not dug through it deeply but I liked it also when I poked at it | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | also there is a problem, that there seems to be no way to pull gerrit groups from review.openstack.org so instead he suggested using launchpad groups | 17:26 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | for admin access I mean | 17:26 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | technically that seems like 2 almost equal solutions. private groups, that only members have access/can add new members =) | 17:27 |
| docaedo | hmm - I think that would be fine, but it would I think make sense to get help from infra regarding gerrit groups, because I am pretty sure they use those groups for other stuff | 17:27 |
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| docaedo | because launchpad will go away in the future, almost for sure | 17:28 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well, lets ask them if they know a way, then | 17:28 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb and sskripnik ask infra if they know a way to reuse gerrit groups for/with ubuntu one openid | 17:29 |
| docaedo | excellent plan :) | 17:30 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | memcache. I believe it's used/required to store session info | 17:30 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | feels pretty sane to me | 17:31 |
| docaedo | I guess memcache is not a big deal, I just want to be clear about scope creep | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | although I love redis a lot more %) | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | since with redis — restarting it doesn't log everyone out magically | 17:32 |
| docaedo | true, but don't think we need to worry too much about that happening now | 17:32 |
| docaedo | like logged in sessions shouldn't be all that long I think | 17:32 |
| docaedo | and pretty sure that machine never gets rebooted :) | 17:33 |
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| docaedo | but I'm good with things the way they are looking so I'm not going to be fighting any of it | 17:33 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I think that's all I have about auth stuff and we're only left with the glare itself ) | 17:35 |
| docaedo | great | 17:35 |
| kzaitsev_mb | we've been kicking it for long enough to have glare v1 almost baked, right mfedosin? =) | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | hello again | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | so, we consider glare v1 is production ready at this moment | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | all required features are implemented | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | and glare is pretty stable now | 17:37 |
| * docaedo cheers | 17:37 | |
| mfedosin | for this reason we're going to start implementing artifact type for various openstack services | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | and the first on is Murano | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | because they are the closest to me :) | 17:37 |
| docaedo | makes sense | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | tomorrow we will be sitting with ativelkov to make it done | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mfedosin: can we count on your help on adopting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276857/13 this commit to V1 then? | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | and next one is Heat | 17:38 |
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| docaedo | thanks kzaitsev_mb that's one thing I was going to asl | 17:38 |
| docaedo | *ask | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | we've already created user story for adding Glare integration in Heat | 17:39 |
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| docaedo | also glare can be told to use swift for backend storage right? | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: I think Sergey should take care of this | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | dobson: sure | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | ^ | 17:40 |
| docaedo | haha yeah I figured bad tab-complete ;) | 17:40 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sskripnik you mean? =) ok, will ping him | 17:40 |
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| docaedo | #action docaedo to confirm with infra that we'll have access to a swift somewhere for glare storage | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | one thing that disappoints me is glance community | 17:41 |
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| mfedosin | it's really slow to push things to glance | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | and glare is not an exception, unfortunately | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | and because N-2 is close we have to think on plan B | 17:42 |
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| docaedo | for us, glare components do not have to be released | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | if it's not merged till 15th of July we would have no option rather then moving to new project | 17:43 |
| docaedo | it doesn't have to interact with anything else - so we can have a branch just for app-catalog or something | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | kind of... | 17:44 |
| docaedo | basically if there's a stable stack of commits, we can use that as a public PoC for glare | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | but I believe that it will be merged next week when our ptl comes back from PTO | 17:44 |
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| docaedo | great | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | yeah :) I cross my fingers | 17:46 |
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| docaedo | cool :) | 17:48 |
| docaedo | we have 12 minutes left, any other updates? | 17:48 |
| kzaitsev_mb | none from my side =) got a bunch of AI's to do ) | 17:48 |
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| mfedosin | +1 :) | 17:48 |
| docaedo | cool, I have at least one this week | 17:48 |
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| docaedo | cool, I think we are done - thanks a ton guys and looking forward to starting to actually implement this soon! | 17:49 |
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| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: rkukura ivar-laz_ igordcard tbachman: hi | 18:00 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 30 18:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#June_30th.2C_23rd_2016 | 18:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:00 |
| igordcard | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | does anyone have anything critical to bring up before we dive into the NFP patches? | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic NFP Implementation patches | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/gbp-network-services-framework | 18:02 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we are currently reviewing patches until: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309145/ | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks to you and the other authors for responding to the review comments | 18:03 |
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| hemanthravi | most of the review comments have been addressed, currently gate tests are broken and this shoudld be resolved today | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think a lot of the pending comments have been addressed | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: in some cases i noticed that it was mentioned that the comment wil be addressed as a follow bug | 18:04 |
| hemanthravi | the dependency chain seems to be broken with one of the recent submit, will resolve this after the irc | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: the expectation is that the bug be filed, and the bug link be provided in the patch comments | 18:05 |
| ivar-laz_ | hi | 18:05 |
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| hemanthravi | ok, will do that | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: otherwise its difficult to track what was addressed and what needs to be addressed as follow up bugs | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: i did not see any follow up bugs being filed | 18:06 |
| hemanthravi | the team is keeping track of the bugs to be filed, will file these bugs and edit the comment with the bug | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: great, thanks | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: my comments in patch set 120 have not been responded to: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309145/120 | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: have these been fixed? | 18:08 |
| hemanthravi | these are not fixed yet | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: until which patch are all the comments completely fixed, or is it that there are few here and there? | 18:11 |
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| hemanthravi | most of the comments have been addressed, the gate test comments are pending since the failure in the gate test was being resolved | 18:12 |
| * SumitNaiksatam anticipates this is going to be a slow meeting since we are reviewing patches in real time! | 18:12 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:13 |
| hemanthravi | all the gate test comments will be addressed | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: when do you think you will get to that point? | 18:14 |
| hemanthravi | should be done fri PST | 18:14 |
| hemanthravi | morning | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay great | 18:14 |
| hemanthravi | once these are resolved, can we start the merge fri or sat PSt | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: i am good with that tentative plan, what does the rest of the team think? | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we might have a good window when the gate is hopefully less loaded over the next few days | 18:16 |
| hemanthravi | the main pending ones are to have the gate tests running and the validations added in the gate tests | 18:16 |
| * tbachman is fine with the plan | 18:17 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yes i am definitely hoping to see the integration test validations | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks for the feedback | 18:17 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: sure :) | 18:17 |
| hemanthravi | thanks | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ivar-laz_: igordcard: songole: what do you guys think about the plan to start merging tomorrow if the fixes are in place by then? | 18:18 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: Yes to the merge!! | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay | 18:19 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’m not opposed, but I have not been doing much reviewing of this code, so I’ll defer to others. | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure | 18:19 |
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| igordcard | I'm okay with it | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay, thanks | 18:20 |
| rkukura | I will be pretty much completely offline from tomorrow mid afternoon east coast time until sometime Sunday. | 18:20 |
| ivar-laz_ | SumitNaiksatam: I'll be on PTO until the 5th, but it sounds good | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for informing us | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-laz_: thanks for the note | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so looks like there are no major objections in the team | 18:21 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: one question | 18:21 |
| tbachman | are these only going into master? | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: yes sure | 18:21 |
| tbachman | or are they going to be backported? | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: good question | 18:21 |
| * tbachman guesses just master | 18:21 | |
| tbachman | is this considered a new feature? | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | those are tought questions :-P | 18:22 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:22 |
| rkukura | tbachman: this is GBP! | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *tough | 18:22 |
| songole | they need to be backported as well | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: lol! | 18:22 |
| tbachman | rkukura: ACK — just wasn’t sure what our policy was :) | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: so here is dimension to this - | 18:22 |
| * tbachman stirs the pot :P | 18:22 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | almost all the code that is being introduced by these patches is additive, and is contained new modules | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *in new | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: songole: please correct if this is not accurate | 18:24 |
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| hemanthravi | that's correct, except for one patch in gbp code | 18:24 |
| songole | 99% yes. There are a couple of lines of change in 1 file | 18:24 |
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| hemanthravi | backport is required as the most of the users are moving upto liberty at this stage | 18:25 |
| tbachman | so, just to liberty? | 18:26 |
| * tbachman is fine with that | 18:26 | |
| songole | tbachman: yes | 18:27 |
| rkukura | Is the plan to back-port as we go, or wait til we get to some level of confidence on master before we start back-porting? | 18:27 |
| tbachman | songole: thx! | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that is a good point | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so are we saying that we are definitely not backporting to kilo? | 18:28 |
| hemanthravi | currently there is a requirement to backport to liberty for some of the evals | 18:28 |
| hemanthravi | not sure on kilo, will check on this | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: kilo is kind of EoL so its difficult to do this | 18:29 |
| hemanthravi | ok | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the easier things first, we will try to merge in master, and mitaka backport is automatic since our master is still at mitaka | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hopefully no issues with that | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are saying that we will not do kilo backports | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that leaves liberty | 18:31 |
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| hemanthravi | we have also a local backport to liberty that we have been testing | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and the suggestion over there is that we first test liberty | 18:31 |
| hemanthravi | the changes are minor for the liberty backport | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ah right on cue | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so lets first merge master and mitaka backport, and then have the liberty backport patches posted | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can then test the stability of the master and mitaka branches before we make a call on merging in liberty | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | does that sound okay to all? | 18:33 |
| * tbachman nods | 18:33 | |
| hemanthravi | mostly with i18n being _i18n and some constants for topics in a differnt location | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yes, that is true but i guess the concern is about the stability of the master branch once this merges | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we want to be sure that merging does not majorly disrupt the master/mitaka | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | branches | 18:34 |
| hemanthravi | ok, as you said we can wait for the stability on master/mitaka | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yeah lets get to the point first where have those merged, and then make a call accordingly | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, seems like we are mostly in agreement, and have a reasonable plan moving forward | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thats pretty much from me for today | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone have anything else? | 18:38 |
| igordcard | don't have anything from my side | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: QoS next week? | 18:38 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: not sure | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: best effort :-) | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the deadline for submissions for the Barcelona summit is July 13th | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | fast approaching | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | all right, thanks all for joining, and happy 4th of July to those in the US! | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:41 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 18:41 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: bye! | 18:41 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:41 |
| igordcard | bye | 18:41 |
| hemanthravi | bye | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 30 18:41:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-06-30-18.00.html | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye | 18:41 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting auc | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 30 19:01:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'auc' | 19:01 |
| shamail | Hi all. Who is here for the AUC recognition WG meeting? | 19:01 |
| MeganR | o/ | 19:02 |
| shamail | hi MeganR | 19:02 |
| MeganR | Hi Shamail | 19:02 |
| maishsk | o/ | 19:02 |
| maishsk | Good evening all | 19:02 |
| shamail | Hi maishsk | 19:03 |
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| MeganR | hi maishsk | 19:03 |
| shamail | Agenda: | 19:03 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/AUCRecognition#Meeting_Information | 19:03 |
| shamail | #chair maishsk | 19:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: maishsk shamail | 19:03 |
| shamail | #topic Update on centralized data source proposal by Tom Fifield (MeganR) | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update on centralized data source proposal by Tom Fifield (MeganR) (Meeting topic: auc)" | 19:04 | |
| shamail | MeganR: When do you think you’ll be able to respond to Tom? | 19:04 |
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| MeganR | Sorry, I have an email draft, kept thinking I would finish it - my schedule is clear tomorrow (please don't tell anyone) - so if I can not finish it today, I 'should" be able to send it tomorrow. | 19:05 |
| shamail | lol, I wont tell anyone! | 19:05 |
| MeganR | I am so sorry for the delay, being really slow. | 19:05 |
| shamail | Awesome, I will piggy back on your message to add mine as well. | 19:05 |
| maishsk | And this will include the prelimenary numbers for AUC - or have these already gone out? | 19:06 |
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| MeganR | No, I am delaying the prelim numbers, I will be sending our metrics info. | 19:07 |
| shamail | maishsk: I did not get a chance to compile them yet | 19:07 |
| shamail | sorry about that | 19:07 |
| maishsk | No worries | 19:07 |
| shamail | I will try to complete that by next week | 19:07 |
| shamail | #topic Confirm completion of milestone-4 | 19:08 |
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| shamail | I sent out an email to the operators and user-committee mailing lists yesterday with the criteria that has been defined in milestone-4 | 19:09 |
| shamail | so far we’ve only gotten one response (and it was a +1) | 19:09 |
| shamail | Do we feel that we have adequately captured the metrics for the intial AUC and that we can move on to the next milestone? | 19:09 |
| shamail | As always, I will write up a cleaner version of the “milestone output” once we decide we are done. | 19:10 |
| MeganR | I think so - can't think of anything outstanding | 19:11 |
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| MeganR | at least not initially | 19:11 |
| maishsk | I think that this is quite clear and a good summary of what we have accomplished so far | 19:11 |
| shamail | Yeah, we can always modify during the next cycle | 19:11 |
| shamail | Awesome! | 19:11 |
| shamail | #agree Milestone-4 is completed | 19:11 |
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| shamail | #action shamail will draft output from milestone-4 | 19:11 |
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| * maishsk hands everyone a beer!\ | 19:12 | |
| shamail | #topic Begin milestone-5 | 19:12 |
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| shamail | Milestone-5 is about how we should handle objections and self-nominations: “Establish/identify review board for self-nominated members” | 19:12 |
| MeganR | *hmm, virtual beer tastes different :) | 19:12 |
| shamail | lol | 19:12 |
| shamail | In previous discussions we had agreed that we would like the user committee to handle the reviews | 19:13 |
| shamail | The next step here would be to create a draft of when/how someone can raise an exception and who handles it (and how they communicate) | 19:14 |
| shamail | We can then share this draft with the user committee to ensure they agree | 19:14 |
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| shamail | Anyone up for taking the action item to create the first draft? | 19:14 |
| MeganR | ok, when are we looking to complete this? | 19:14 |
| maishsk | So for this - is the UC willing to take this on? | 19:14 |
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| shamail | Probably by 7/14 MeganR | 19:15 |
| maishsk | Or do they want to delegate it off to a committee? | 19:15 |
| shamail | maishsk: yes, it is for the user-committee initially but we can ask them if they would rather delegate | 19:15 |
| maishsk | I think that I can take a stab at this - but I wouldn’y mind some help | 19:16 |
| shamail | My thoughts were that we spend the next week creating a draft document and then we could use the following week to get feedback from the UC and refine | 19:16 |
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| shamail | thanks maishsk | 19:16 |
| maishsk | Etherpad? | 19:16 |
| shamail | I’ll be glad to help and we can also do a WG review at the next meeting to continue working on it | 19:16 |
| MeganR | that sounds like a good plan! | 19:16 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/auc-nomination-process | 19:17 |
| shamail | I created that one maishsk | 19:17 |
| shamail | #action maishsk will draft initial process for submission and review of self-nomination for AUC. shamail will help as well. | 19:18 |
| shamail | Thanks maishsk! | 19:18 |
| shamail | #topic Opens | 19:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Opens (Meeting topic: auc)" | 19:18 | |
| shamail | Quick agenda for today :) | 19:18 |
| shamail | Does anyone else have anything else they’d like to discuss? | 19:18 |
| maishsk | Would that be a good place to start documenting? | 19:19 |
| shamail | maishsk: yes, the etherpad is a good starting point | 19:20 |
| shamail | Alright, short but productive meeting! | 19:21 |
| shamail | Thanks for joining MeganR and maishsk! | 19:21 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 19:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 30 19:21:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-06-30-19.01.html | 19:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-06-30-19.01.txt | 19:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-06-30-19.01.log.html | 19:21 |
| maishsk | Thanks ! | 19:22 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting ops_guide | 21:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 30 21:31:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 21:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide' | 21:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello | 21:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | roll call for ops/arch guide meeting? | 21:32 |
| DevonBoatwright | I'm here! | 21:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hi DevonBoatwright | 21:32 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hello! | 21:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone else here for the ops/arch guide meeting? | 21:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi | lets give it a few min | 21:33 |
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| DevonBoatwright | okie | 21:34 |
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| darrenc | hello | 21:36 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hey darrenc! | 21:37 |
| darrenc | sorry, I was caught up doing something else | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi darrenc | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | it looks like its just us 3 | 21:37 |
| darrenc | hiya | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | we were waiting to see if anyone else was joining | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone else here for the ops/arch guide meeting? | 21:37 |
| darrenc | ahh, ok | 21:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | well we can go ahead and get started | 21:38 |
| katomo | hello | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi katomo! | 21:38 |
| darrenc | hi katomo | 21:38 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hello! | 21:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic action items from last meeting | 21:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Devon has an update, she joined an ops meeting. Vic won't be joining but she can update us on Vic as well | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | or tried to join an ops meeting | 21:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | I'll let you expand on that DevonBoatwright | 21:39 |
| DevonBoatwright | I emailed so people pretty much have the details but I joined the tag meeting but it never actually happened. Turned out they only met once a month (not every other week) | 21:39 |
| DevonBoatwright | And then the once a month meetings had not been happening either | 21:39 |
| DevonBoatwright | So I will keep an eye out to see if the meeting will happen again. They are trying to communicate and be better organized about meeting | 21:40 |
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| darrenc | thanks, good to know | 21:40 |
| darrenc | I saw Victor's email about the ops meeting | 21:40 |
| DevonBoatwright | Vic joined the.. oh, I can't remember the name TELCOM? Was that what it was called? He had one person who said they would join.. but I guess that person isn't here. Hopefully they will check in, or maybe email for more info. | 21:41 |
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| darrenc | yeah | 21:41 |
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| DevonBoatwright | I mean, we have his user name.. so we could catch him on irc sometime, right? | 21:41 |
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| darrenc | sure, we can reach out to him | 21:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | great | 21:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | thats a start! | 21:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks Devon | 21:42 |
| DevonBoatwright | No problem. Wish I could have helped a bit more. | 21:43 |
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| darrenc | Update from me: I submitted some patches to remove irrelevant or duplicated content in the ops guide | 21:44 |
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| ShillaSaebi | awesome | 21:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | do you happen to have the links handy | 21:44 |
| darrenc | one sec | 21:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:44 |
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| darrenc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331521/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330918/ | 21:46 |
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| ShillaSaebi | great thanks | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | we'll take a look | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Bug spotlights | 21:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug spotlights (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 21:47 | |
| ShillaSaebi | so we are looking for volunteers for the bugs! | 21:47 |
| darrenc | yep, ops guide related bugs | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1375623 - Mention files to backip for horizon/ceilometer/heat | 21:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1375623 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 14. Backup and Recovery in OpenStack Operations Guide - missing: Horizon Celiometer Swift Heat " [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1580424 - fix architecture diagram | 21:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580424 in openstack-manuals "error in OpenStack architecture picture" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Pallavi (pallavi-s) | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1457767 - Improve logging/monitoring content | 21:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457767 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1457770 - Improve logging/monitoring content | 21:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457770 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1457768 - Improve logging/monitoring content | 21:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457768 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1499114 - Networking troubleshooting tools | 21:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499114 in openstack-manuals "Document tools for Network Troubleshooting" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Richard (csravelar) | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | so 2 of them are assigned | 21:49 |
| darrenc | yeah, I contacted the assignees to see if they are still working on them | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah just saw that | 21:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok great | 21:49 |
| darrenc | no response so far | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | DevonBoatwright we can look through these and see if theres anything we can help with | 21:50 |
| darrenc | and I messaged them as well | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome ok | 21:50 |
| DevonBoatwright | Sounds like a plan to me ShillaSaebi | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | lets wait till the next meeting and if no response, maybe reassign | 21:50 |
| darrenc | I can tackle the arch diagram but need to know what else needs changing | 21:50 |
| darrenc | katomo: you mentioned in the bug there were other changes required? | 21:51 |
| katomo | good | 21:51 |
| darrenc | can you specify those changes? | 21:51 |
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| katomo | darrenc: Yeah, but I can't remember... | 21:52 |
| katomo | I will write later. | 21:52 |
| darrenc | no worries, thanks katomo :) | 21:52 |
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| ShillaSaebi | cool | 21:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Enterprise ops documentation | 21:53 |
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| katomo | remove EC2 API... and so one :) | 21:53 |
| darrenc | ok | 21:53 |
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| darrenc | So, did anyone take at look at the doc? | 21:54 |
| darrenc | can I ask what is mcollective? | 21:55 |
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| darrenc | It's all through the doc | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah its a framework for building orchestration on servers... | 21:56 |
| darrenc | I think there is some good troubleshooting in there | 21:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah i would think we should take the troubleshooting out and use that for the guide | 21:57 |
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| ShillaSaebi | katomo i got your request for access to the google docs | 21:58 |
| ShillaSaebi | ill approve it as soon as this meeting is over | 21:58 |
| katomo | ShillaSaebi: thanks | 21:58 |
| darrenc | The "Operationalizing OpenStack" process coule also be useful | 21:58 |
| darrenc | s/coule/could | 21:58 |
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| darrenc | but make it more generic | 21:58 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 22:00 |
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| darrenc | so next steps: work out where this content could go | 22:01 |
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| darrenc | We can edit the doc and make suggestions | 22:01 |
| darrenc | and I can push up a patch with this infor | 22:01 |
| darrenc | /infor/info | 22:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | sounds good | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah if we can find a home for it i can help push it up too | 22:02 |
| darrenc | cool, thanks | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | and ill bring more docs too once were finished with this batch | 22:02 |
| katomo | good | 22:02 |
| darrenc | sounds good | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | :D | 22:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Arch Guide | 22:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Work items wiki page #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_restructure_work_items | 22:03 |
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| darrenc | Erm, so not much happening with the Arch Guide atm | 22:04 |
| darrenc | Shaun will take a look at the Design chapter this week | 22:04 |
| darrenc | but the reality is we need more people with technical knowledge on this project | 22:05 |
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| katomo | yeah | 22:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 22:05 |
| darrenc | I've reached out the new Architecture Working Group on the dev ML | 22:06 |
| darrenc | to* | 22:06 |
| DevonBoatwright | agreed | 22:06 |
| darrenc | We're not going to get far with just docs ppl doing this | 22:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah agreed | 22:07 |
| darrenc | anyway, it would be great if this working group can get involved or even take some ownership of it | 22:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | well reaching out to the arch wg is a great start | 22:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | hopefully youll get some feedback or an update soon | 22:07 |
| katomo | +1 | 22:08 |
| darrenc | yeah, in the meantime I look at reworking mitaka changes in the new structure | 22:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome | 22:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool anything else on this topic? | 22:09 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok #topic open discussion | 22:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything anyone would like to bring up? | 22:11 |
| darrenc | yeah | 22:11 |
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| katomo | nothing from me | 22:11 |
| darrenc | so I'm wondering how effective it is to restructure a guide over a whole release cycle | 22:12 |
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| darrenc | so we have planned to restructure the arch guide and potentially the ops guide this cycle | 22:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | so do you think that it's something we should break apart into chunks | 22:13 |
| darrenc | but not many people have bandwidth to contribute to that scale of work | 22:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | agreed | 22:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe we can break it up | 22:14 |
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| darrenc | yeah, I'm just concerned we'll hit the same issue last cycle with the arch guide | 22:14 |
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| darrenc | arrange some content here and there, but no real contributions from SMEs | 22:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | right | 22:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | how awesome would it be if the arch wg could give a huge helping hand in this effort | 22:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | specially if its a team full of architects :D | 22:15 |
| darrenc | true! | 22:15 |
| darrenc | I think we need to reconsider our approach | 22:15 |
| katomo | agree | 22:16 |
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| darrenc | We really architects providing guidance to the arch guide, and ops for the ops guide | 22:17 |
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| darrenc | and working alongside docs to drive those changes | 22:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 22:18 |
| darrenc | I mean we used to do the book sprint thing | 22:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | i couldnt agree with that more | 22:18 |
| darrenc | pile a bunch of people in a room for a week and churn out a book | 22:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | is that easier for people to do | 22:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | since they don't have to allocate time on a weekly basis, steadily | 22:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | and just hammer it out in a week? | 22:19 |
| darrenc | Yeah, there are pluses and minuses | 22:19 |
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| darrenc | pluses, you get a book | 22:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | minus, stuck in a conf room | 22:20 |
| darrenc | minuses, book content and structure is limited to the people in the room | 22:20 |
| darrenc | You need the right mix of SMEs and docs | 22:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | is anyone going to the ops mid cycle? | 22:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | thats another great place to find SMEs | 22:21 |
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| darrenc | I don't think I will be | 22:23 |
| darrenc | Nice location, though | 22:23 |
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| ShillaSaebi | i wont be either | 22:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | but we have a few folks from Comcast going | 22:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | I will make sure to let them know to look for contributors | 22:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 22:27 |
| darrenc | If I remember correctly, I *think* Lana was looking at appointing an Ops docs liason | 22:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | was that on the ML | 22:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | sounds somewhat familiar | 22:27 |
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| ShillaSaebi | looks like were out of time | 22:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | can we continue that on the ML DarenC? | 22:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | DarrenC | 22:29 |
| darrenc | yep, you read my mind :) | 22:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok everyone | 22:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you so much for joining | 22:30 |
| DevonBoatwright | yw | 22:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | have a good one!! | 22:30 |
| katomo | thanks, good day. | 22:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | see ya next time, good day/evening/night all! | 22:30 |
| DevonBoatwright | See ya Shilla | 22:30 |
| darrenc | thanks everyone! | 22:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 22:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 30 22:30:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-06-30-21.31.html | 22:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-06-30-21.31.txt | 22:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-06-30-21.31.log.html | 22:30 |
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