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| sheeprine | #startmeeting cloudkitty | 14:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 4 14:04:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sheeprine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cloudkitty)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cloudkitty' | 14:04 |
| sheeprine | Hi, huats gpocentek here? | 14:05 |
| sheeprine | Someone here wanting to participate to the meeting? | 14:06 |
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| sheeprine | Waiting five more minutes for people. If nobody's here we'll wait next meeting. | 14:08 |
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| sheeprine | Ok, see you next week then. | 14:16 |
| sheeprine | #endmeeting | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:16 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 4 14:16:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2016/cloudkitty.2016-01-04-14.04.html | 14:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2016/cloudkitty.2016-01-04-14.04.txt | 14:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cloudkitty/2016/cloudkitty.2016-01-04-14.04.log.html | 14:16 |
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| jklare | #startmeeting openstack_chef | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 4 16:01:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jklare. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_chef)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:01 |
| jklare | happy new year :D | 16:01 |
| sc` | happy new year! :D | 16:01 |
| jklare | lets wait for some minutes and hope some more people join our first meeting of this year ;) | 16:02 |
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| jklare | my topics for today are the refactoring process (as always ;) ) and the suboptimal participation in our weekly meetings (especially from the core reviewers) | 16:05 |
| sc` | sounds good | 16:06 |
| jklare | #topic refactoring | 16:06 |
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| jklare | as i posted before the holidays in our channel, i think we have made great progress and a big thanks to calbers_ in this regard for walking to all these lines of boring config files :) | 16:07 |
| jklare | what we need right now is code review | 16:07 |
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| jklare | and i know that reviewing thousands lines of code is super boring and checking back with the docs to make sure the refactored version is right is more than annoying | 16:08 |
| jklare | but right now i do not see an easy way around this | 16:09 |
| sc` | i can take a look, but for something of this size, multiple sets of eyes would be ideal | 16:09 |
| jklare | yeah i think so too | 16:09 |
| jklare | i walked to most of it already (mostly since i was directly involved in the refactoring and calbers_ sits right besides me) but i think we really need more eyes here | 16:10 |
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| jklare | calbers_ and me are now going for a full multi node deployment with the refactored versions and will make all the additional changes needed | 16:10 |
| jklare | but of course that is mostly for our own usecase | 16:11 |
| jklare | which is just ubuntu | 16:11 |
| jklare | and just 15.10 (or maybe an early version of 16.04) | 16:11 |
| jklare | and just ceph as backend | 16:11 |
| jklare | and so on | 16:11 |
| sc` | do we even have those images available for the gates? | 16:11 |
| jklare | nope | 16:11 |
| sc` | \o/ | 16:12 |
| jklare | and these cookbooks should target 14.04 | 16:12 |
| jklare | for nw | 16:12 |
| jklare | now | 16:12 |
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| jklare | and our (mini) integration test with aio-neutron seems to work on the gates with 14.04 | 16:12 |
| sc` | are you planning on keeping cadence with ubuntu's releases, or stick with lts? | 16:13 |
| jklare | but thats minimal testing | 16:13 |
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| jklare | i think we all agreed during one of our meetings to stick to lts if possible | 16:13 |
| sc` | that's what i recall, too | 16:13 |
| jklare | and my comments from above with 15.10 and 16.04 are just for internal purposes in my company | 16:13 |
| sc` | yup. got it | 16:14 |
| jklare | i was just saying that we will do a lot of integration testing with these versions, but we need more people to test the cookbooks for their usecases | 16:14 |
| jklare | in their environments | 16:14 |
| jklare | etc | 16:14 |
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| jklare | which leads into the next topic | 16:15 |
| jklare | why are there so few core reviewers in our weekly meetings? | 16:15 |
| jklare | should we change the date | 16:15 |
| jklare | or the time? | 16:15 |
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| sc` | the day and time are fine with me. i have noticed a significant decrease in core reviewer activity overall | 16:16 |
| jklare | yep | 16:16 |
| sc` | my own, included, save when i see something on the regular channel | 16:16 |
| sc` | i expected some due to the refactor and the holidays | 16:17 |
| jklare | yeah, i was hoping for some comments or review on the pushed commits | 16:17 |
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| sc` | i've been consumed by work activities, so my participation has waned a bit | 16:18 |
| jklare | #topic where have all the core-reviewers gone | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "where have all the core-reviewers gone (Meeting topic: openstack_chef)" | 16:19 | |
| jklare | i do not want to point fingers or anything similar, just trying to figure out who is still active or wants to participate | 16:19 |
| jklare | because if we are down to just two reviewers during this meeting, we should cancel it | 16:19 |
| sc` | makes sense. need to get a head count of who's still active | 16:20 |
| jklare | so a short mail on the mailing list? | 16:20 |
| sc` | i know j^2 is still active | 16:20 |
| sc` | if not here at present | 16:20 |
| jklare | yeah, i think so too | 16:21 |
| jklare | ok, i will write a short mail and hope to get some answers from the active core reviewers | 16:22 |
| jklare | and we can hopefully discuss with more people in the next meeting how to handle the big reviews | 16:22 |
| sc` | cool. i'm curious as to what has caused the significant decrease in what little activity we have | 16:22 |
| jklare | yeah | 16:22 |
| sc` | timing or what | 16:22 |
| sc` | i do have one thing to mention, related to the project overall | 16:23 |
| jklare | ? | 16:24 |
| sc` | j^2 and i were on the food fight podcast last week | 16:24 |
| sc` | it has exposure in the chef community | 16:24 |
| jklare | yeah | 16:25 |
| jklare | i haven't watched the last episode yet | 16:25 |
| jklare | but since you mention it | 16:25 |
| jklare | :D | 16:25 |
| sc` | my bit could have been better, but i'm told that for my first non-trivial exposure to public speaking, it wasn't terrible | 16:26 |
| jklare | i'll watch later i guess | 16:26 |
| jklare | any key things you want to point out? | 16:27 |
| sc` | not particularly. from what i've been told, it's an informative episode | 16:28 |
| jklare | ok great | 16:28 |
| jklare | anything else for todays meeting? | 16:29 |
| markvan | hi, just back in office now, trying to catch up | 16:29 |
| jklare | yay | 16:29 |
| jklare | hi mark :D | 16:29 |
| sc` | hi markvan :D | 16:29 |
| markvan | I'll try to do some more reviewing this week | 16:29 |
| jklare | amazing | 16:30 |
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| jklare | i will hand out bonus points next week for good behaviour as core reviewer ;) | 16:30 |
| sc` | i know it's still a few months out, but who all is planning on being in austin in april? | 16:31 |
| markvan | Not sure yet, but I should be going. | 16:31 |
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| jklare | ok, if there are no more questions or remarks, i will close the meeting for today | 16:34 |
| jklare | #endmeeting | 16:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 4 16:35:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-01-04-16.01.html | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-01-04-16.01.txt | 16:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-01-04-16.01.log.html | 16:35 |
| sc` | same bat time, same bat channel :D | 16:35 |
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| j^2 | yo | 16:45 |
| j^2 | ah i missed it | 16:45 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 4 17:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| jroll | hello hello | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | hi there | 17:00 |
| jroll | welcome back from holidays and happy new year to all! | 17:00 |
| betherly | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | good (UGT) morning everyone | 17:00 |
| jroll | #chair devananda NobodyCam | 17:00 |
| betherly | happy new year everyone | 17:00 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda jroll | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:01 |
| thiagop | o/ | 17:01 |
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| BadCub | happy new year folks! | 17:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| mariojv | \o happy new year | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| mgould | happy new year, everyone! | 17:01 |
| thiagop | Happy new year BadCub and everyone else | 17:01 |
| jroll | I have a few things here | 17:01 |
| jroll | #info devstack and grenade plugin work seems to be complete, thanks for everyone's help with that | 17:01 |
| jroll | #info we reverted the 'use latest coreos' patch to IPA, and the gate seems to be much happier | 17:02 |
| cinerama` | o/ | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | jroll: Does that mean grenade job is working? If not that was my top priority. | 17:02 |
| jroll | #info manual cleaning and neutron work is nearly complete, let's try to help get those reviewed and finished | 17:02 |
| jroll | jlvillal: no, just that we should be using the plugin now :) | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | jroll: Okay, great. Well not great, but I still know what to work on :) | 17:03 |
| jroll | #info planning on an IPA release this week - 1.1.0 from master and 1.0.1 from stable/liberty | 17:03 |
| jroll | I think that's all I have, anyone else have announcements or reminders? | 17:03 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:03 |
| jroll | I'm going to try to get started on planning our virtual midcycle this week as well | 17:03 |
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| jroll | oh, and forgot to mention our agenda is here: | 17:04 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:04 |
| jroll | super light this week :) | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:05 |
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| NobodyCam | I do have one question | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | getting pinged internally about mid-cycles | 17:06 |
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| krotscheck | o/ | 17:06 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:06 |
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| jroll | NobodyCam: what's the question? :) | 17:06 |
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| NobodyCam | are we having one? | 17:06 |
| lucasagomes | a virtual one | 17:06 |
| NobodyCam | I didn't think we were | 17:06 |
| jroll | yes, we're having a virtual midcycle | 17:06 |
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| NobodyCam | ack :) so no travel | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | No travel. Was a date set yet? | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | TY | 17:07 |
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| jroll | trying to plan that this week, as mentioned above | 17:07 |
| jroll | no date yet | 17:07 |
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| jroll | #topic subteam status updates | 17:08 |
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| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:08 |
| jroll | everyone can take a moment to review those; also looking light today | 17:08 |
| jroll | dtantsur: you need any help with the inspector gate problems? | 17:08 |
| krotscheck | Nothing big from webclient, except there's been a little pushback from intel UX on "Hey why does this look like horizon" | 17:09 |
| krotscheck | And my answer was: "Because you said you wanted it to look like horizon" | 17:09 |
| betherly | lol krotscheck :'D | 17:09 |
| lucasagomes | hah | 17:09 |
| krotscheck | So there may be some Not-looking-like-horizon in the ironic-webclient future. | 17:09 |
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| jroll | krotscheck: what's wrong with consistency? | 17:09 |
| jroll | krotscheck: also why does intel UX get to tell us what to make it look like? | 17:10 |
| krotscheck | jroll: Ok, one answer at a time. | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | jroll, I need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263057/ to land :) | 17:10 |
| * lucasagomes looks | 17:10 | |
| krotscheck | jroll: The argument is that the original horizon was designed by ops, not designers, and and now it's Too Hard To Change now that OpenStack has a formal UX team. | 17:10 |
| krotscheck | Because established momentum. | 17:11 |
| jroll | dtantsur: is adding that to ironic/devstack/files/* an alternative? | 17:11 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, it is there, however these files support breaks when multiple plugins are involved | 17:11 |
| krotscheck | jroll: As far as "Who are these intel UX people", they are upstream-contributing ux researchers provided to us by the OpenStack UX program. | 17:11 |
| thiagop | krotscheck: so, it's not a better idea to call the OS UX team to mess with it then? :) | 17:11 |
| jroll | dtantsur: O_o | 17:11 |
| thiagop | I believe piet is around | 17:12 |
| krotscheck | thiagop: That's what I did. | 17:12 |
| devananda | krotscheck: fwiw, part of what I liked about the ironic-ui project is that it had a chance at a fresh start | 17:12 |
| jroll | dtantsur: so putting it in -inspector plugin doesn't work either? | 17:12 |
| krotscheck | thiagop: he said: Hey, here's some people paid by intel who want to contribute. | 17:12 |
| jroll | krotscheck: okay, just curious :) | 17:12 |
| piet | Heard my name... | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | jroll, no way, it does not interpret these files.. cause it merges them incorrectly | 17:12 |
| * jlvillal is curious who the Intel people are... | 17:12 | |
| krotscheck | piet: I brought up our email discussion about farting rainbow User Interfaces. | 17:12 |
| jroll | dtantsur: so why don't we fix that? | 17:12 |
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| piet | Thanks for the image | 17:12 |
| * thiagop laughs like crazy | 17:13 | |
| jroll | dtantsur: it's just going to happen again right? | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | jroll, mmm, I do fix it :/ this missing space is what we lack | 17:13 |
| * NobodyCam reads krotscheck line and blinks | 17:13 | |
| piet | Unicron farts? | 17:13 |
| * TheJulia laughs | 17:13 | |
| dtantsur | jroll, or did the new UI show you the 1st revision? | 17:13 |
| jroll | dtantsur: oh, I'm an idiot sorry | 17:13 |
| * krotscheck is going to introduce cornify.com to horizon. | 17:13 | |
| BadCub | rainbow unicorn farts.... this sounds intriguing | 17:13 |
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| dtantsur | ++ | 17:13 |
| * TheJulia regains composure | 17:13 | |
| piet | BadCub: they still smell | 17:13 |
| thiagop | LOL | 17:14 |
| BadCub | lol | 17:14 |
| piet | Which UI? | 17:14 |
| thiagop | let's focus... | 17:14 |
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| krotscheck | piet: Ironic webclient. The conversation we had while I was in Hawaii,. | 17:14 |
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| piet | You were in Hawaii? | 17:14 |
| * dtantsur is jealous | 17:14 | |
| TheJulia | thiagop is right, time to focus | 17:15 |
| betherly | although unless much has changed over holiday period the interfaces should be pretty similar between the webclient and the plugin | 17:15 |
| piet | Intel is working on the UI. I believe we're trying to finish-up user research | 17:15 |
| krotscheck | piet: Yep. The quote was "As far as I'm concerned, the standalone can be pink, fart rainbows, and make a latte in less than 7 seconds as long as it's intuitive." | 17:15 |
| betherly | lol!!! | 17:15 |
| piet | I'm hoping to do a bit of brainstorming at the planned UX mid-cycle in London | 17:16 |
| betherly | and re that statement krotscheck i could not agree more - intuituve PLEASE | 17:16 |
| * TheJulia wants an ironic deployed latte | 17:16 | |
| betherly | re the plugin: the plugin is in a slight limbo position waiting to see if someone will send me through work on converting the panel to plugin (we split the work and then she left her job) - hopefully i wont have to redo that section :’( | 17:16 |
| * krotscheck hopes the bad-language-brigade doesn't come and smack him for his potty mouth. | 17:16 | |
| betherly | on a happier note we are well on the way to the ironic plugin project being official in openstack and ready to start pushing things up | 17:16 |
| thiagop | TheJulia: that's other level of baremetal | 17:16 |
| * lucasagomes is curious to see that UI... | 17:16 | |
| jroll | krotscheck: betherly: can you put these updates in the etherpad? | 17:16 |
| piet | betherly: Are you getting support you need from Sulgorve | 17:16 |
| devananda | betherly: \o/ | 17:16 |
| betherly | jroll: sure | 17:16 |
| krotscheck | TheJulia: HTTP Status Code 418 | 17:16 |
| TheJulia | thiagop: fwiw, nobodycam has a coffee driver on his github | 17:16 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:16 |
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| NobodyCam | lol that is so old now | 17:17 |
| thiagop | TheJulia: link on private, please | 17:17 |
| * mgould hopes the ironic latte maker supports HTCPCP | 17:17 | |
| piet | betherly: I'm having lunch with Alex S. this afternoon if you want me to chat about the plugin | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, nova boot --flavor cappuccino (niceee) | 17:17 |
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| krotscheck | jroll: I'll update yes. | 17:18 |
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| * krotscheck switches back to being serious | 17:18 | |
| * dtantsur likes our first meeting in this year | 17:18 | |
| jroll | thanks | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, ur patch was approved :-) | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | yeah, jroll magic :) | 17:18 |
| krotscheck | On an unrelated note, I need cores on ironic-webclient >.> betherly | 17:18 |
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| jroll | anything else on subteam updates? | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | by the way: as soon as our gate is fixed, inspector will start final switch to IPA | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | (unless someone really objects) | 17:20 |
| piet | thejulia: Did you get a chance to reschedule the ironic interviews? | 17:20 |
| jroll | \o/ | 17:20 |
| TheJulia | piet: My email to you was for you to reschedule since you had the calendar invite, and looks like you did some bcc'ing | 17:20 |
| TheJulia | That, or people were added after I guess | 17:21 |
| TheJulia | Anyway, you have the master calendar item then | 17:21 |
| piet | thejulia: No bcc'ing - let me reschedule today | 17:21 |
| TheJulia | piet: thank you | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | mmm meeting anyone? ;) | 17:21 |
| piet | thejulia: did the group do the second interview last week? | 17:21 |
| jroll | piet: TheJulia: can y'all take this conversation elsewhere please? | 17:22 |
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| jroll | anything else for subteam updates? | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | piet, I think you guys want to talk in private about it | 17:22 |
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| piet | Sorry...just saw my name mentioned - had no idea we're in a meeting... | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | or another channel | 17:22 |
| * jroll moves on | 17:22 | |
| jroll | #topic Open Discussion | 17:22 |
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| jroll | anything? | 17:22 |
| piet | Quick ask | 17:22 |
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| piet | We're distributing the persona validation survey - please plan to complete or forward | 17:23 |
| mgould | is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166386/ still important/being worked on? I see it's marked as "do ASAP" on the EtherPad | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, ipxe + uefi support got merged in ironic, and in ironic since we have different DHCP rules for each MAC BIOS and UEFI machines can co-exist. Now in inspector I dunno how we can support it :-/ | 17:23 |
| jroll | mgould: yeah, it moved, one sec | 17:24 |
| devananda | mgould: that looks like it has been swept up in the port to use tempest-lib | 17:24 |
| devananda | mgould: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260358/1 | 17:24 |
| jroll | mgould: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260358/ | 17:24 |
| jroll | dang | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, I'm investigating a way to detect whether it's BIOS or UEFI as part of the iPXE template but, not sure it will work... I think we will endup just documenting how to use one or another | 17:24 |
| TheJulia | lucasagomes: there is a dhcp option that can be used to identify if the machine can support UEFI | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | oh, sounds interesting | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | lucasagomes: but, the server has to feed out the proper ipxe binary if memory serves | 17:25 |
| mgould | jroll, devananda thanks, I'll update the etherpad | 17:25 |
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| lucasagomes | TheJulia, oh really? Right, lemme look at it | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | so it is all server side, it is covered on the ipxe.org page if memory serves | 17:25 |
| mgould | should I also comment on 166386 to say "moved to 260358"? | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | TheJulia, that's fine, I just wonder if we can configure the same instance of dnsmasq to serve both | 17:25 |
| jroll | mgould: thanks, the whole pad needs an overhaul | 17:25 |
| jroll | mgould: yes pls | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | TheJulia, thanks I will look at it | 17:25 |
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| TheJulia | lucasagomes: I was pondering that as well for bifrost, I'm not sure it can but didn't spend many brain cycles on it a few weeks ago. | 17:26 |
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| lucasagomes | TheJulia, right, it's on my list to add iPXE + UEFI support for inspector and as bifrost it also uses its own DHCP server | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | TheJulia, I let you know if I find something | 17:26 |
| TheJulia | lucasagomes: thank you | 17:26 |
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| TheJulia | lucasagomes: I will do the same if I don't hear from you :) | 17:27 |
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| lucasagomes | ++ thanks much | 17:27 |
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| mgould | jroll, done | 17:27 |
| jroll | thank you | 17:27 |
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| * dtantsur has to switch inspector gates to ipxe tbh.. | 17:27 | |
| mgould | I can't close the first patch, though, and I don't know how much of the rest of that section of the etherpad needs to change | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, ++ | 17:28 |
| jroll | mgould: don't worry about it :) | 17:28 |
| mgould | cool :-) | 17:28 |
| jroll | I'll do a mass update at some point, maybe during midcycle | 17:28 |
| rloo | mgould: I am tempted to delete the rest of that section in the etherpad | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: you may want to check things because depending on the VM firwmare booting, it might be going strait into ipxe if the capability exists and is offered by the dhcp server | 17:28 |
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| dtantsur | interesting.. | 17:29 |
| rloo | mgould: but I'll leave it for jroll. I did put a link to the mitaka priorities. | 17:29 |
| jroll | rloo: heh thanks | 17:29 |
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| jroll | does anyone else have something for open discussion or are we done here? :) | 17:30 |
| sambetts | Nothing from me | 17:30 |
| * NobodyCam is still catching up from holiday doe nothing more here | 17:31 | |
| rloo | done done done | 17:31 |
| jroll | woo | 17:31 |
| mgould | holiday doe? mmmmmvenison | 17:31 |
| jroll | thanks all :D | 17:31 |
| * izaakk is new in Ironic | 17:31 | |
| lucasagomes | I'm good | 17:31 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
| mgould | hi izaak! | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 4 17:31:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-01-04-17.00.html | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | s/doe/so/ | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | izaakk, welcome | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-01-04-17.00.txt | 17:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-01-04-17.00.log.html | 17:31 |
| cinerama` | welcome izaakk | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:31 |
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| mgould | NobodyCam, :-) | 17:31 |
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| flwang | #startmeeting zaqar | 20:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 4 20:59:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 20:59 |
| flwang | #topic roll call | 20:59 |
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| flwang | o/ | 20:59 |
| vkmc | o/ | 20:59 |
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| Eva-i | hello | 21:00 |
| flwang | it's our first meeting in 2016, i wish all you guys had a good xmas & new year holiday | 21:00 |
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| vkmc | merry xmas and happy new year for you too! | 21:02 |
| ryansb | \o | 21:02 |
| Eva-i | yeah, very merry | 21:02 |
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| flwang | ok, i don't have much new topics just those old ones | 21:02 |
| flwang | client, UI, puppet and some new features | 21:03 |
| flwang | #topic zaqar client | 21:03 |
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| flwang | i'm still working on the subscription patches and please review them asap | 21:04 |
| flwang | since they're blocking the integration with ceilometer :) | 21:04 |
| flwang | yep, ceilometer integration | 21:04 |
| flwang | a core reviewer of ceiloemter just pinged me about this, they want to use zaqar as notifier of alarm | 21:05 |
| flwang | but they can't do that since we're missing it in our client | 21:05 |
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| ryansb | can you link them? | 21:07 |
| flwang | the mitaka M-2 is Jan 16-22 | 21:07 |
| ryansb | or is there a topic? | 21:07 |
| Eva-i | flwang: I recently faced a problem when I was unable to use subscriptions, just because there were no defaul values for some settings related to subscriptions in zaqar.conf, hope ceilometer team know about this | 21:07 |
| flwang | #link https://review.openstack.org/249395 | 21:07 |
| flwang | #link https://review.openstack.org/261280 | 21:07 |
| flwang | #link https://review.openstack.org/261282 | 21:08 |
| flwang | #link https://review.openstack.org/261303 | 21:08 |
| Eva-i | flwang: we noticed it with vkmc and I filled a bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/zaqar/+bug/1529912 | 21:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1529912 in zaqar "No default values for pipelines in [storage] section in zaqar.conf" [Undecided,New] | 21:08 |
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| ryansb | thanks | 21:09 |
| flwang | Eva-i: thanks, it's a 'valid' bug :) | 21:09 |
| Eva-i | oki | 21:10 |
| flwang | anything else we should talk about the zaqar client ? | 21:10 |
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| flwang | #topic UI | 21:11 |
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| flwang | no progress from my side | 21:11 |
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| Eva-i | no progress from me either | 21:12 |
| flwang | i'm stuck at this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258474/ | 21:12 |
| ryansb | Eva-i: wow, didn't know about lp#1529912 | 21:12 |
| flwang | if there is anybody know angular JS well, pls help take a look and feel free upload a new patch set | 21:12 |
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| * ryansb does not sorry | 21:13 | |
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| flwang | ryansb: no worries, i will bug horizon team to get some help | 21:13 |
| flwang | jasondotstar: are you around? | 21:14 |
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| flwang | ok, seems we can skip the puppet topic | 21:15 |
| flwang | #topic new features | 21:15 |
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| flwang | 1. delayed queues/messageas | 21:15 |
| flwang | #link https://review.openstack.org/260859 | 21:16 |
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| flwang | i got some good comments from ryansb | 21:16 |
| flwang | in summary, the basic idea is creating a new delay field/attribute for message and queue, so that the messages in the queue can't be visible in the 'delay' seconds | 21:17 |
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| vkmc | oh angular :| | 21:17 |
| flwang | as for the delay queues in SQS, pls ref http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSSimpleQueueService/latest/SQSDeveloperGuide/sqs-delay-queues.html | 21:18 |
| flwang | any questions? | 21:18 |
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| Eva-i | flwang: no questions now, I need to investigate | 21:20 |
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| flwang | ryansb: could you pls explain your comment? re "Adding arbitrary delays doesn't seem like a "core" use case, and it'll probably put more load on our storage backends than it appears." | 21:21 |
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| ryansb | yeah, so I meant two things. The latter is that having both visible (standard) and not-yet-visible (delayed) messages is likely to reduce the hit rate for paginated queries we use against our backends | 21:23 |
| ryansb | esp ones with less advanced query capabilities (redis) | 21:24 |
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| flwang | ryansb: yep, the paginated query is a trouble | 21:24 |
| ryansb | and that'd be sort-of alright since it would only affect folks that use that feature, so my comment was intended to be "if we implement this, we have to make sure it doesn't affect the normal case" | 21:24 |
| flwang | technically, we won't impact the normal case | 21:25 |
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| flwang | currrently, we're using the .exists() method to check if the queue is eixsting before query messages | 21:25 |
| ryansb | and for the former (it not being a core use case) I was trying to get across that I've not really seen many use cases where this is needed, and I don't know how popular the SQS version of this feature is | 21:26 |
| ryansb | but given that I've used SQS frequently but never encountered a need for delayed messages, I'm not sure how many others have | 21:26 |
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| flwang | and we can replace it with .get() to get the metadata of queue to decide if it's a delay queue | 21:26 |
| ryansb | none of this means I don't like the feature, I just want to make sure there's a clear use case before we go implementing the spec | 21:27 |
| flwang | and then we can decide if add the 'delay' query | 21:27 |
| ryansb | yeah, that's sensible | 21:27 |
| flwang | but if we want to support delayed message in normal queues, then we may always add the query condition | 21:27 |
| ryansb | (and was the type of solution I was hoping for when I said "don't affect the normal case") | 21:27 |
| ryansb | yeah, I'm not much of a fan of interleaving delayed and nondelayed messages | 21:28 |
| ryansb | if users need it, we can do it as long as we're aware of the tradeoff. | 21:28 |
| flwang | ryansb: no problem, we can discuss it more :) | 21:28 |
| flwang | ryansb: really appreciated for the valuable comments | 21:29 |
| flwang | ryansb: yep, cool | 21:29 |
| flwang | 2. another spec is about adding more reserved attributes of queues, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257622/ | 21:30 |
| flwang | in summary, it will support 'ttl' and 'max msg size' in queue metadata so that we can have flexible queues which don't have to use the global settings defined in zaqar.conf | 21:31 |
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| vkmc | having the ttl and max_msg_size attributes sounds like a very good addition to me | 21:37 |
| vkmc | we need to give better use of the metadata | 21:37 |
| vkmc | as we have it right now | 21:37 |
| vkmc | and the delay queue feature | 21:37 |
| vkmc | it's something I see no harm in adding it as a flavor | 21:37 |
| ryansb | +1 for more metadata on queues | 21:38 |
| flwang | awesome | 21:38 |
| Eva-i | this feature need to be implemented in a way that no users can abuse the system | 21:38 |
| flwang | ok, i have done all my topics | 21:38 |
| flwang | anything else? | 21:38 |
| Eva-i | flwang: maybe docs, but you wanted this meeting to be short | 21:39 |
| Eva-i | *needs to be implemented | 21:40 |
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| Eva-i | flwang: okay, we can discuss it in a chat | 21:41 |
| flwang | no, go ahead | 21:41 |
| Eva-i | okay | 21:42 |
| flwang | Eva-i: we have 17 mins for sure | 21:42 |
| Eva-i | I posted a patch with Zaqar config-reference. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263405/ | 21:43 |
| Eva-i | You can render it and see if it's normal. | 21:43 |
| Eva-i | As you can see one person doesn't like that Zaqar configuration tables can't be generated now, but let's wait for other reviewers | 21:43 |
| Eva-i | *autogenerated | 21:44 |
| ryansb | personally, I think manual docs > no docs | 21:44 |
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| Eva-i | ryansb: thanks for your +1, I agree | 21:46 |
| flwang | Eva-i: did you see the -1 from aj? | 21:48 |
| Eva-i | flwang: that's what I'm saying now | 21:48 |
| Eva-i | flwang: of course | 21:49 |
| flwang | Eva-i: i think it would be nice if you can update the commit message to explain how it's generated | 21:49 |
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| flwang | it's really 'manual' actually | 21:49 |
| flwang | it would be nice if we can add the reason | 21:50 |
| Eva-i | okay, I'll update the commit message and now will mark this patch as WIP, alright? | 21:50 |
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| Eva-i | flwang: I'm gonna sleep after this meeting | 21:51 |
| flwang | Eva-i: you don't have to update it as WIP, i think :) | 21:51 |
| flwang | ok, we can discuss it later | 21:52 |
| flwang | #topic open discussion | 21:52 |
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| flwang | anything else? | 21:52 |
| Eva-i | flwang: hm, okay, then I think I'll try to update commit message now | 21:52 |
| flwang | Eva-i: it's no rush, take your time | 21:53 |
| flwang | ok, if there is no more topic, let's close the meeting and back to our channel | 21:54 |
| flwang | thank you, guys | 21:54 |
| ryansb | thanks folks :) | 21:54 |
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| Eva-i | ty | 21:54 |
| flwang | #endmeeting | 21:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 4 21:56:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-01-04-20.59.html | 21:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-01-04-20.59.txt | 21:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-01-04-20.59.log.html | 21:56 |
| vkmc | thanks! | 21:57 |
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