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Swami | hi | 15:00 |
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mlavalle | hi | 15:00 |
johnbelamaric | hi | 15:00 |
regXboi | ha - I'm *not* late today :) | 15:00 |
pavel_bondar | hi | 15:00 |
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haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
carl_baldwin | hi | 15:00 |
stephen-ma | hi | 15:00 |
carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 5 15:01:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
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carl_baldwin | #chair mlavalle | 15:01 |
openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle | 15:01 |
carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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carl_baldwin | Mitaka release schedule is up. | 15:02 |
carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 15:02 |
carl_baldwin | It’ll be here before you know it. | 15:02 |
mlavalle | as always | 15:02 |
regXboi | you know, they should have moved the release up a week | 15:03 |
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carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:04 |
carl_baldwin | Oh, DVR has its own meeting now on Wednesdays at this same time. | 15:04 |
regXboi | carl, you beat me to it :) | 15:04 |
carl_baldwin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/078059.html | 15:05 |
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carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:06 |
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mlavalle | hi | 15:06 |
carl_baldwin | mlavalle: how we doing here? | 15:06 |
mlavalle | for L3 we have to high importance bugs | 15:06 |
mlavalle | first is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1494351 | 15:06 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1494351 in neutron "Observed StaleDataError in gate-neutron-dsvm-api tests if reference IPAM driver is used" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:06 |
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mlavalle | that pavel_bondar has been working | 15:07 |
pavel_bondar | fix is out for review | 15:07 |
pavel_bondar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223123/ | 15:07 |
carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: I did some review of it yesterday. Need to finish today. | 15:07 |
mlavalle | and there was a partial fix merged a few days ago by amuller | 15:07 |
mlavalle | any thing else to say, pavel_bondar ? | 15:08 |
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pavel_bondar | nothing to add on thiis bug | 15:09 |
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mlavalle | next one up is also related to IPAM https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1510653 | 15:09 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1510653 in neutron "delete_subnet is not called in IPAM driver on subnet deallocation if ML2 plugin is used" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:09 |
pavel_bondar | fix is ready to | 15:09 |
pavel_bondar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239885/ | 15:09 |
mlavalle | pavel_bondar has also a proposed fix tps://review.openstack.org/#/c/239885/ | 15:09 |
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mlavalle | htps://review.openstack.org/#/c/239885/ ^^^^ | 15:10 |
pavel_bondar | almost:) | 15:10 |
mlavalle | it look ready for further reviews. It has +1 now | 15:10 |
mlavalle | LOL | 15:10 |
mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239885/ ^^^^ | 15:11 |
regXboi | third time is a charm :) | 15:11 |
pavel_bondar | correct now, thanks :) | 15:11 |
* carl_baldwin just added himself to reviewers | 15:11 | |
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mlavalle | any aditional comments pavel_bondar? | 15:11 |
pavel_bondar | fix is pretty trivial, hope that helps to review it | 15:12 |
mlavalle | pavel_bondar: thanks for working on this! | 15:13 |
pavel_bondar | mlavalle: no problem:) | 15:13 |
mlavalle | the rest of the high importance bugs this week are DVR related. I assume they were discussed yesterday | 15:13 |
Swami | mlavalle: yes they were discussed yesterday | 15:13 |
mlavalle | I kept them in the agenda this week, just in case :-)..... didn't want to loose that information | 15:14 |
regXboi | mlavalle: I'd say let's move them over and leave more time here for L3 issues | 15:14 |
mlavalle | perfect, we are done today with bugs | 15:14 |
Swami | mlavalle: it was quick | 15:14 |
carl_baldwin | Thanks, mlavalle | 15:14 |
carl_baldwin | #topic Routed Network Segments | 15:15 |
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carl_baldwin | The discussion on this at the summit was… what’s the word I’m looking for. | 15:15 |
carl_baldwin | ? | 15:15 |
mlavalle | interesting! | 15:15 |
regXboi | I heard it described as "entertaining" | 15:16 |
mlavalle | that also | 15:16 |
carl_baldwin | It was those things. | 15:16 |
Swami | yep it went in different directions | 15:16 |
johnbelamaric | "contentious" | 15:16 |
haleyb | maddening? | 15:17 |
carl_baldwin | Well, it was not exactly what I was hoping for. But, I think most people agree that we should do something. | 15:17 |
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carl_baldwin | So, I’ve started to add CRUD for an IpNetwork and will have a simple patch up soon. | 15:18 |
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carl_baldwin | With that, I’d like to start playing around with creating ports and booting instances. I could use help. | 15:19 |
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carl_baldwin | I’m going to communicate more on the ML and via blog about it. Hopefully, we can all come together. | 15:20 |
carl_baldwin | That’s all. | 15:20 |
carl_baldwin | #topic BGP dynamic routing | 15:21 |
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carl_baldwin | Hmmm. I don’t see tidwellr. It is early in his TZ. vikram is on vacation. | 15:21 |
carl_baldwin | #topic DNS | 15:22 |
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mlavalle | hi | 15:22 |
carl_baldwin | mlavalle: You’re up again! | 15:22 |
mlavalle | last night I pushed and update to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212213/ | 15:22 |
mlavalle | it fixes some failures in functional tests. I thought I had fixed everything, but apparently no I didn't | 15:23 |
mlavalle | so I will fix what is left today and it should pass Jenkins tests tonight | 15:23 |
mlavalle | after that, floating ip's functionality is complete. johnbelamaric already took a look right before Summit | 15:24 |
mlavalle | and I have to add similar functionality for other external ip addresses. | 15:24 |
mlavalle | It shouldn't be much, so I think next week will be complete | 15:24 |
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mlavalle | that's all I have today | 15:25 |
carl_baldwin | mlavalle: great! | 15:25 |
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carl_baldwin | I’ll review and encourage others to. | 15:25 |
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* mlavalle without loosing sight of DNS commitment, wants to pitch in in the routed networks effort | 15:26 | |
carl_baldwin | mlavalle: excellent | 15:27 |
carl_baldwin | #topic address scopes | 15:27 |
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carl_baldwin | The patches here need reviewer attention. | 15:27 |
carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/address-scopes,n,z | 15:28 |
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carl_baldwin | I guess there is one that I need to give care and feeding to. | 15:28 |
carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: ^ | 15:28 |
carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: You’re the approver. | 15:28 |
carl_baldwin | That’s all | 15:30 |
carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:30 |
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regXboi | I'm going to be posting a etherpad on the O(n) stuff by eow - I'm now calling it hyperscale | 15:30 |
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regXboi | basically explaining how I do it and showing the latest L3/DVR results | 15:31 |
regXboi | I'm thinking of moving the *how* into a devref as well | 15:31 |
Swami | regXboi: would be nice to see | 15:31 |
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mlavalle | regXboi: +1 | 15:32 |
carl_baldwin | regXboi: ++ | 15:32 |
regXboi | I'll admit, there is an rfe I'd like to see get into oslo because it will make the how a lot less intrusive | 15:33 |
regXboi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1512864 link to the rfe | 15:34 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1512864 in neutron "Application Metrics for Neutron" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Ramu Ramamurthy (ramu-ramamurthy) | 15:34 |
regXboi | so watch the ML and that's all for me | 15:34 |
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carl_baldwin | regXboi: Thanks | 15:35 |
mlavalle | we won't have mid-cycle meeting. armax sent an email yesterday | 15:35 |
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regXboi | mlavalle: I'd put that differently - we're not having the mid-cycle at the previously scheduled time - we might have one later in the cycle | 15:36 |
mlavalle | that is a better wording :-) | 15:36 |
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Swami | it would be no more called as mid-cycle can be either at the end or as when needed. | 15:36 |
mlavalle | "on a need to have" meeting | 15:37 |
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Swami | mlavalle:+1 | 15:37 |
haleyb | maybe-cycle | 15:38 |
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* carl_baldwin just discovered a problem with ML filter that hid that message from him | 15:38 | |
* mlavalle will continue disappointed about not having met regXboi in person until further notice about meetings | 15:39 | |
regXboi | mlavalle: haven't you heard? I'm still accused of being an AI | 15:40 |
mlavalle | regXboi: yeah, but I want to disprove it :-) | 15:40 |
haleyb | as long as you're not Skynet... | 15:41 |
regXboi | nah - carl_baldwin, dougwig, sc68cal and others know better | 15:42 |
carl_baldwin | I guess we can call the meeting. Anything else? | 15:42 |
carl_baldwin | regXboi: If you look completely different the next time I meet you, I might start to wonder again. ;) | 15:43 |
regXboi | hahahahaha | 15:43 |
carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 5 15:43:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-11-05-15.01.html | 15:43 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-11-05-15.01.txt | 15:43 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-11-05-15.01.log.html | 15:43 |
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mlavalle | bye | 15:43 |
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Swami | bye | 15:43 |
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etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 5 16:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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edleafe | o/ | 16:01 |
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etoews | anyone around? i wouldn't be surprised if there isn't... | 16:01 |
etoews | ohai | 16:01 |
edleafe | hey - missed you in Tokyo | 16:01 |
etoews | ya. couldn't make it out there. | 16:01 |
etoews | it was great | 16:01 |
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etoews | i'm briefly distracted here... | 16:02 |
edleafe | I did have fun hanging out at the RAX booth | 16:02 |
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etoews | cdent: edleafe: considering it's the week after the summit there are many folks around, is there anything in particular you want to discuss? | 16:09 |
cdent | elmiko had some pretty exciting ideas from our session | 16:09 |
etoews | s/are/aren't/ | 16:09 |
cdent | which was kind of small because nobody could find it | 16:09 |
etoews | cool. too bad about the smallish turnout. | 16:10 |
edleafe | I feel like I lost touch with all the summit craziness, and wanted to see where the wg was | 16:10 |
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cdent | It was in building number #5. Attendees: elmiko, lucasgomes, cdent, kenichi, and I think that was miguelgrinberg | 16:11 |
cdent | The main point of discussion were ways to create things that demonstrate best practice as a way of getting more active contributions and discussion | 16:12 |
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etoews | that sounds like a good way to go. | 16:17 |
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cdent | elmiko promised to make with some mail and assorted other writings when he returned (he was taking an extra week in japan) | 16:21 |
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etoews | good for him. let's catch up with him when he gets back. | 16:22 |
* etoews takes a look at miguelgrinberg's action guideline https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234994/2/guidelines/actions.rst | 16:23 | |
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sdague | so, something of note, I know at least on the Nova front we're kind of in hold on a couple of things until the error spec and the filter spec land | 16:32 |
sdague | I know there are lots of parallel threads in the api-wg, but I think it would be good to focus on a few long standing bits that should get finalized | 16:32 |
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sdague | the error spec in particular | 16:33 |
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cdent | sdague is right | 16:37 |
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etoews | sdague: thanks for the feedback! i wasn't aware of the hold up for nova. | 16:37 |
cdent | one of the other things we discussed was a desire to use the mailing list more to get people involved | 16:37 |
cdent | enhance visibility | 16:38 |
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sdague | so... I think at some point I lost the irc channel in bouncer upgrades. Is there a reason we don't pile this group into the sdk channel? | 16:39 |
sdague | because it seems like it would gather more of all the right people in one place | 16:39 |
sdague | and maybe help on critical mass bits | 16:39 |
etoews | i'd be amenable to that as -sdks is my main hangout anyway. | 16:40 |
etoews | we certainly don't have quorum here to make such a decision though | 16:41 |
edleafe | sdague: I think that would work | 16:41 |
etoews | sdague: regarding the error guideline, i'm willing to push past the insistence that that guideline also be responsible for the definition of the Error Codes. the only other thing holding it up is the linking format. | 16:42 |
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etoews | currently the guideline just has a href in the body of the json response | 16:43 |
sdague | etoews: yeh, so how about gain quorum about irc change via ML | 16:43 |
etoews | _elmiko rightfully pointed out that that really isn't inline with any of the other linking formats used in openstack. | 16:44 |
etoews | he was going to come up with a guideline for a linking format and then i'd follow that format. | 16:44 |
etoews | then the summit happened. | 16:44 |
sdague | on the error guideline, I'll take another look this week, but we do need to come up with a thing there, because Nova team would like to implement that as a microversion probably very early in N (this cycle is more about docs) | 16:44 |
sdague | but to land it then, it's going to be a bunch of run up work, as we're going to want to bring that in for all the resource errors in one go | 16:45 |
etoews | looks like he did some analysis here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Links | 16:45 |
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etoews | i'm willing to move forward on the error guideline in short order. | 16:46 |
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sdague | hmmm... that's not quite right, the nova version doc links to docs.openstack.org | 16:47 |
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sdague | ok, I'll comment again on this. | 16:48 |
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etoews | the predominant style seems to be of the form "links": [{"href": "http://23.253.228.211:8776/v1/", "rel": "self"}] | 16:49 |
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etoews | sdague: comments are appreciated. | 16:50 |
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sdague | right, sure, except when referencing docs | 16:52 |
sdague | that's a resource link, not a doc link | 16:52 |
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etoews | true enough | 16:52 |
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etoews | although a doc can certainly be considered a resource. just one that's outside the domain of the api... | 16:53 |
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sdague | that seems to be spliting hairs in very delicate ways | 16:55 |
sdague | ok, looking at the error spec, I'm still not happy with it because of the uuid ids | 16:55 |
sdague | because that's just busy work that everyone's going to have to look up | 16:55 |
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etoews | the id field? it's just the Openstack-Request-Id. | 16:56 |
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sdague | hmmm | 16:56 |
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etoews | well, anyway...best to move this discussion into the review comments or ping me in -api or -sdks for sync discussion. | 16:57 |
sdague | yep | 16:57 |
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etoews | i'm going to end the meeting a couple min early as i have another meeting to attend. wheeeeee! | 16:57 |
sdague | etoews: lets follow up now in -sdk just so I can correctly collect my thoughts | 16:58 |
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etoews | sure | 16:58 |
etoews | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 5 16:58:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-11-05-16.00.html | 16:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-11-05-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2015/api_wg.2015-11-05-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 5 17:00:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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docaedo | Courtesy ping kfox1111_ kzaitsev_mb kzaitsev_ws reed j^2 ativelkov | 17:01 |
docaedo | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
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drwahl | o/ | 17:01 |
docaedo | o/ | 17:01 |
kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
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kzaitsev_mb | have you guys recovered from jetlag? ) | 17:01 |
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drwahl | barely | 17:02 |
docaedo | I had a miracle this time, no jet lag when I got home | 17:02 |
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docaedo | never got over jet lag in tokyo though :/ | 17:02 |
docaedo | Todays agenda: | 17:02 |
docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog#Proposed_Agenda_for_November_5th.2C_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:02 |
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drwahl | i was in tokyo just long enough to get used to it, then the next day headed home. so i feel like i've been jetlagged for like 2 weeks straight | 17:02 |
docaedo | hoo that sucks! | 17:03 |
drwahl | caffiene is making life tolerable | 17:03 |
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docaedo | it's magic sometimes isn't it? | 17:04 |
kzaitsev_mb | I hadn't been lagged in Tokyo, but had on my way here — I've never been getting up that early =) | 17:04 |
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docaedo | haha | 17:04 |
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docaedo | light attendance, but might as well roll on :) | 17:05 |
docaedo | #topic Tokyo Summit update (docaedo) | 17:05 |
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docaedo | I think we had several really good sessions and conversations in Tokyo | 17:05 |
docaedo | Big thanks to kzaitsev_mb for all your efforts to bring everyone together and build bridges! | 17:05 |
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docaedo | Also same goes for kfox1111_ - both of you made a lot of connections and facilitated great conversations | 17:06 |
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docaedo | I also wrote an email that touched on what I thought were the major things that came up in Tokyo that people were asking for/interested in | 17:07 |
kzaitsev_mb | Well, after all that was the reason we travelled half the word =) To meet each other =) | 17:07 |
docaedo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078217.html | 17:07 |
docaedo | Rather than recap the whole email, I'll just shorten to say we need to work on trusted content upload/download (signed content for guaranteed integrity) | 17:07 |
docaedo | also trusted providers - for instance RAX or Dreamhost would like to add assets to the catalog and easily filter down to just those for a view they show to their customers | 17:08 |
j_king | i'd say it's more for verification, as in most package repos | 17:08 |
docaedo | indicating that stuff is supported by them | 17:08 |
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docaedo | (but then also share the other contents for customers as an "unsupported" app/component) | 17:09 |
drwahl | we (dreamhost) would also like filters for things like image format (i.e. raw vs qcow2) | 17:10 |
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docaedo | drwahl: that's super easy, and will be part of the API implementation for sure | 17:10 |
drwahl | \o/ | 17:11 |
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docaedo | also apologies for using you as an example - I know you're not committed to this, but I like to point you guys out as a good example of a big public cloud running OpenStack :) | 17:11 |
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docaedo | (and of course, I'm hoping we can make this something that you are excited to expose to your users!) | 17:11 |
drwahl | i am/we are honored | 17:11 |
docaedo | :) | 17:12 |
docaedo | Last big point is all the API work we have ahead of us, and that it's an absolute requirement both for making the data easier to ingest/sort/expose, as well as make it much easier to add and maintain content | 17:12 |
docaedo | for posterity, sharing two of the etherpads that had direct or at least tangentially related info: | 17:13 |
docaedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-app-catalog | 17:13 |
docaedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-mitaka-contributors-meetup | 17:13 |
docaedo | Anyone else have updates from app-catalog work in Tokyo? | 17:13 |
kzaitsev_mb | The conversation turned out to be quite productive on Friday, pity you only managed to get to the 2d part. | 17:14 |
j_king | unfortunately I was flying home on fri | 17:14 |
docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: yeah, I know :/ kfox1111_ got me caught up and filled me in on most/all of it | 17:14 |
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kzaitsev_mb | I was keeping meeting minutes, so I probably should give an update on that to the ML =) | 17:15 |
docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: ah yes, if you have stuff to share that would be great - thanks by the way for keeping the minutes, I meant to thank you for that on my message | 17:16 |
docaedo | ok moving on... | 17:17 |
docaedo | #topic status updates | 17:17 |
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docaedo | since I don't think much has happened since tokyo, let's check this: | 17:17 |
docaedo | jet lag recovery status: | 17:17 |
* docaedo fully recovered | 17:18 | |
* drwahl is 90% recovered | 17:18 | |
* j_king fully recovered | 17:18 | |
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docaedo | haha | 17:19 |
docaedo | #topic Alternating times/regions for IRC meeting | 17:19 |
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docaedo | lifeless made a really good point during the fishbowl - this particular meeting time is not compatible with australia/asia | 17:20 |
j_king | consolidating notes/decisions/etc -- how we do? | 17:20 |
j_king | etherpad per meeting? | 17:20 |
docaedo | j_king: great question :) what I've seen so far is | 17:20 |
docaedo | yes, etherpad is one big piece | 17:20 |
kzaitsev_mb | one thing I heard from glance team about the idea — was that they had a very negative experience with the thing, cause the team was split in two with two separate groups of people discussing different things. | 17:21 |
docaedo | and main thing would be that the chair has to have at least read the absorbed the log of the other meeting, and basically present a quick recap | 17:21 |
kzaitsev_mb | I believe though that it would not apply to app-cat | 17:21 |
kzaitsev_mb | just something we should be aware of | 17:21 |
docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: it could actually, so good to bring it up to be sure we stay aware | 17:22 |
kzaitsev_mb | I'm attending horizon meetings and they alternate time weekly, and seem to be ok with that | 17:22 |
docaedo | I think alternating weekly is the way to go | 17:22 |
docaedo | I'm really not sure the alternate time one would have any attendees other than Tom Fifield (he's usually in australia) | 17:23 |
docaedo | so this might be more a matter of putting it out there for a while to see who can attend | 17:23 |
docaedo | looking at my own schedule though, I don't really have a time slot that works well with australia, as I usually put my kids to bed, and am not up too much later than that (and would rather talk to my wife for a while after the kids are in bed rather than you lot ;) ) | 17:24 |
drwahl | i second ^^ | 17:24 |
docaedo | but if we can get someone to chair a meeting time that works well for austrlia/asia, figure we're safe to set it up and see if we start seeing participation | 17:24 |
docaedo | Thanks for the feedback on this - we'll structure it alternating weeks, and will be mindful of splitting efforts/conversations | 17:26 |
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docaedo | regarding etherpad, I'm mostly on board with that, but I like having the agenda and previous meetings on the wiki (it's permanent, vs. ethereal) | 17:27 |
docaedo | figure since the meeting is being logged, it's easy to refer back to the conversation that was missed if/when it is missed | 17:27 |
docaedo | any other thoughts/opinions on that? Otherwise I'll move forward with trying to find a chair and a time slot, and this time slot will become every other week (once we've set up the second meeting) | 17:28 |
j_king | we can consolidate the etherpad over a cycle of meetings into a wiki page? | 17:29 |
docaedo | j_king: that's a pretty good plan | 17:30 |
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docaedo | ok I think we're good then :) moving on | 17:31 |
docaedo | #topic Next steps for API work | 17:31 |
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docaedo | I'm not comfortable planning too much here without kfox1111_ in attendance, | 17:32 |
docaedo | but can say the demo we saw from ativelkov showed glance artifact (glare) covers much of what we need from an API and in a way we can work with | 17:33 |
docaedo | my only concerns are the other requirements, and I'll argue strongly against it if we get into implementation details and find we need to run our own keystone on the web server | 17:33 |
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docaedo | and we need to run our own barbican to sign things | 17:33 |
docaedo | (and we need to run mistral to manage the image upload workflow or something - since there's much debate right now around how to handle uploads in the future) | 17:34 |
docaedo | etc. | 17:34 |
kzaitsev_mb | I believe that shouldn't be the case =) | 17:34 |
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docaedo | BUT as long as glare provides an excellent and sane abstraction between the set of assets, and the DB that info live in, I think we will be good to go | 17:34 |
docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: I do not think it will go that direction either - just stating that's a thing I worry about | 17:35 |
kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov is also away for 1.5 more weeks — travelling around japan. | 17:35 |
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docaedo | oh nice! I hope he enjoys it. I love Japan, hopefully will have a chance to go back and travel around more (and bring the family next time :) ) | 17:36 |
docaedo | I think it's safe to say next steps will be experimenting with implementation of glare, and thinking through how we'll deploy and maintain down the road | 17:37 |
kzaitsev_mb | I believe the next step with the plugin demo should be to commit the code to some app-catalog repository for review | 17:37 |
kzaitsev_mb | don't think we should do a separate repo for that | 17:37 |
docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: yeah I don't want to fork glare stuff, so just need to figure out exactly how we pull it in | 17:38 |
kzaitsev_mb | right now the code is on github, I believe. | 17:39 |
kzaitsev_mb | Gotta give it a bit of a thought | 17:39 |
docaedo | OK we can continue the conversation around glare implementation then on the regular channel and the mailing list over the next two weeks, then when ativelkov gets back form vacation we can get into more details too | 17:40 |
kzaitsev_mb | I mean — the plugin is supposed to be a python package afaiu | 17:40 |
kzaitsev_mb | but in any case — I believe it should be ok to just have it in a separate directory | 17:40 |
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docaedo | yep - this should be something we can stand up with pip install pretty easily | 17:41 |
docaedo | and probably on the server install from debian package :) | 17:42 |
docaedo | Ok think we can move on to open discussion so there's time for more stuff (just in case anyone has anything to discuss that is) | 17:42 |
docaedo | #topic Open discussion | 17:42 |
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drwahl | so, i've been poking around the app-catalog stuff that is on https://apps.openstack.org/ | 17:43 |
drwahl | and most of the glance images are qcow2 | 17:43 |
drwahl | which doesn't work with ceph | 17:44 |
drwahl | (at least, not until kilo. then glance can auto-convert) | 17:44 |
kzaitsev_mb | oh, I'd like to think a bit about automating asset uploads/updates. We talked on it a bit, in Tokyo, but less than I hoped. | 17:44 |
kzaitsev_mb | qcow2 — yep, about 90% | 17:44 |
drwahl | so essentially 90% of the app catalog is useless to those using ceph on the backend | 17:44 |
drwahl | i don't have an answer/solution to this (beyond saying upgrade glance to kilo for auto-convert), but it creates a poor user/operator experience | 17:45 |
docaedo | yes, the issue of converting images on demand has come up | 17:45 |
docaedo | I'm in favor of implementing a mechanism that converts (when possible) on request, and caches the converted image | 17:45 |
drwahl | the other thought i had bouncing around my head was having an "app" in the catalog (at least for glance), be more like a container | 17:46 |
drwahl | and the container could have qcow2 or raw | 17:46 |
drwahl | and the user select which they want/need | 17:46 |
docaedo | yep, that's about what I was thinking - the additional format would just become part of the asset | 17:47 |
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kzaitsev_mb | drwahl: doesn't feel generic enough | 17:47 |
docaedo | in that you have the metadata of the asset describing everything, and then one or more links to different available formats | 17:47 |
kzaitsev_mb | although.. | 17:47 |
kzaitsev_mb | every asset seem to have it's own format of a kind | 17:48 |
docaedo | but for glance images, it's pretty easy to do this | 17:48 |
drwahl | that does put the onus on the uploader to provide multiple formats, or some job on the backend to create multiple formats for the app catalog | 17:48 |
j_king | yeah... do we want like 5 entries for every format that a node.js "app" can take? | 17:48 |
docaedo | i.e. upload qcow, and then convert that, and keep both files | 17:48 |
kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: drwahl: well, glance images already have format | 17:48 |
kzaitsev_mb | you can even sort based on format in their schemas | 17:49 |
kzaitsev_mb | or am I getting the idea wrong? | 17:49 |
docaedo | right to me this use case only works for glance stuff, where you're talking about a base image that can be retrieved in different formats | 17:49 |
docaedo | (think of it as a directory, and you can download in tar.gz format or .zip format, but the source for both those files is the same) | 17:49 |
kzaitsev_mb | oh, you mean — you want to have 1 asset with mutiple BLOBs based on the format | 17:49 |
drwahl | ya | 17:50 |
docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: exactly | 17:50 |
drwahl | ideally, you wouldn't need to download *all* the blobs for an asset, just the one you actually want (since these can be kinda huge files) | 17:50 |
kzaitsev_mb | That indeed makes sense for glance | 17:51 |
docaedo | I would not want to put the conversion effort on the user though, because few people will do that, and we can easily store multiple blobs per asset | 17:51 |
docaedo | (and convert them either automatically upon upload, or else on demand, though the conversion process is not exactly quick...) | 17:51 |
drwahl | where are these assets being stored? would auto-creating raw/qcow/etc. be overly burdensome? | 17:51 |
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drwahl | not just auto-creating, but also storing multiple copies essentially | 17:52 |
drwahl | (one for each format) | 17:52 |
kzaitsev_mb | drwahl: wonder if it would be a good idea to convert on-demand.. | 17:52 |
kzaitsev_mb | might take a lot of time though | 17:52 |
docaedo | the actual binary bits will end up in S3 somewhere, provided by one of the many generous people who give up free compute and storage to OpenStack infra | 17:52 |
drwahl | we (dreamhost) might even be able to provide some storage resources | 17:53 |
kzaitsev_mb | so probably it should happen after initial upload | 17:53 |
docaedo | TBH drwahl this could be backed by dreamobjects ;) | 17:53 |
drwahl | that's what i was thinking :) | 17:53 |
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kfox1111_ | fyi, my wife's not feeling well, so I'm teleworking today. I may have to hop off randomly to chase after a 2 year old. | 17:54 |
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docaedo | kfox1111_: no prob, hope your wife feels better soon and enjoy chasing the kid :) | 17:54 |
kfox1111_ | thx. :) | 17:54 |
kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111_: =) | 17:55 |
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docaedo | drwahl: we will have to keep this conversation going, I think there's a good opportunity here not just for the app catalog but maybe even for openstack infra. All the cool kids are getting in on hosting some bits of the big OpenStack gating system :D | 17:55 |
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kzaitsev_mb | with final couple – I'd still want to get back to upload/update automation. | 17:56 |
kzaitsev_mb | we've talked about it a bit. | 17:57 |
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drwahl | docaedo: sounds good. i'll chat with the required people on my side about what we can do to help out with this effort | 17:57 |
kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: what bits do we need to implement to get that going? I guess api, auth/users system and a more sane storage should do that. | 17:58 |
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docaedo | drwahl: excellent - I think the infra team would be excited to have another cloud to gate stuff through, especially one that is a pretty honest OpenStack cloud, I can facilitate that from the openstack side | 17:58 |
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docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: yeah, a legit API is required | 17:58 |
kzaitsev_mb | am I missing anything? | 17:59 |
docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: means authentication, and backed by an API that is aware of versions of assets, authentication and ownership, etc. | 17:59 |
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docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: at this point I think we need to see how quickly we can ingest/implement glare for that - otherwise we're going to spend a lot of time solving the same problem in a minimal way just to throw it out when we switch to glare (assuming it works in practice at least as well as the demo) | 18:00 |
docaedo | oh .. out of time :( | 18:00 |
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docaedo | OK let's continue the conversation on the #openstack-app-catalog | 18:01 |
kzaitsev_mb | yep, I'd want to get it right on the 1st try, not implement another workaround | 18:01 |
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docaedo | thanks everyone! | 18:01 |
kfox1111 | might be a good thing to see if alexander can prototype. | 18:01 |
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docaedo | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:01 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 5 18:01:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-11-05-17.00.html | 18:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-11-05-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-11-05-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
drwahl | thanks yall! | 18:01 |
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