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| regXboi | ola | 14:59 |
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| mlavalle | hola | 14:59 |
| john-davidge | hola o/ | 14:59 |
| pc_m | hi | 14:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi-de-ho | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 1 15:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Agenda | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | #chair carl_baldwin | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle | 15:00 |
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| fitoduarte | hi | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | I don't have any annoucements. how about you carl_baldwin ? | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | Nope | 15:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | any other annoucements from the team? | 15:02 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | ok in that case, let's move on...... | 15:02 |
| vikram | hi | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
| mlavalle | so we don't have a lot of change in the list of bugs from last week, pretty much the same ones | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | there was progress in most of them, though | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | almost all of them have newer patchsets in their proposed fixes | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | the one I am curious about is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1365473 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1365473 in neutron "Unable to create a router that's both HA and distributed" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Artur Korzeniewski (artur-korzeniewski) | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | ownership was trnasferred from amuller to artur-korzeniewski just yesterday | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | I haven't been able to ping either one of them, so I intend to follow up today | 15:05 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I though amuller was done reviewing this patch. | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I reviewed that one yesterday. I can try to contact the new “author" | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: thanks! | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1494351 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1494351 in neutron "Observed StaleDataError in gate-neutron-dsvm-api tests if reference IPAM driver is used" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | the review got me thinking of the coupling between the DVR classes in the L3 agent again. Still too much. I hope to have a patch set up soon. | 15:06 |
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| regXboi | carl_baldwin: ack - that's becoming painful | 15:06 |
| pavel_bondar | working on that one (1494351) | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | pavel_bondar pushed latest PS for this one. Waiting for review, I think | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: I owe you a review on that one. Will bump it up on my list. | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | pavel_bondar: am i correct? | 15:07 |
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| pavel_bondar | actually still have some failures | 15:07 |
| pavel_bondar | but have an issue with reproducing it locally | 15:07 |
| pavel_bondar | anyway reviewving there approach would be helpful | 15:08 |
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| pavel_bondar | working on this ticket at fullspeed now, so believe will get some results today/tomorrow | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | pavel_bondar: thank you! | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: ++ | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | the next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1486795 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1486795 in neutron "DVR: create or update port by using notify specific host rather than fanout" [High,In progress] - Assigned to shihanzhang (shihanzhang) | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | This one got a new patchset, it is waiting for cores reviews.... I believe regXboi gave it a +1 | 15:10 |
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| regXboi | did i? | 15:10 |
| * regXboi goes and looks | 15:11 | |
| mlavalle | here's the patchset https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221209/ | 15:11 |
| regXboi | I did | 15:11 |
| regXboi | yeah, this has been through several revisions and I think others should look at it | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | so anyway, we need core reviewers for this one | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | Will look today | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | finally in our list https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1486828 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1486828 in neutron "L3: Notify specific agent rather than fanout when associating floatingip" [High,In progress] - Assigned to changzhi (changzhi) | 15:12 |
| haleyb | i believe there is a similar change for FIP as well | 15:12 |
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| haleyb | that one :) | 15:12 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215136/ | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, he is asking help mocking RPC in unit tests | 15:13 |
| regXboi | yes - I pointed amuller at this patch | 15:13 |
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| regXboi | but the submitter isn't getting the recommendations | 15:13 |
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| regXboi | this patch still needs test work | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | so, should we wait for amuller to get back to the submitter with further help? | 15:14 |
| amuller | sorry, what patch? | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | amuller: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215136/ | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | the submitter is asking for help mocking RPC | 15:15 |
| amuller | oh... | 15:15 |
| amuller | I don't think that's the only thing he's asking for =D | 15:16 |
| * carl_baldwin knows amuller loves helping people mock stuff | 15:16 | |
| amuller | heh | 15:16 |
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| amuller | I was trying to get him to write proper tests without mocking the entire world | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | :) | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 15:17 |
| amuller | and I was hoping he could do that without me doing it for him | 15:17 |
| amuller | but it doesn't seem to be the case | 15:17 |
| amuller | I'll try to find a test that's similar enough that he could go on | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | amuller: thanks! | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | so that's all the bugs I have today.... regXboi do you have anything? or anyone in the team? | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on..... | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed network segments | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | Still collecting reviews. | 15:20 |
| regXboi | mlavalle: sorry no - you've hit my list | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | I would like amuller and kevinbenton to review soon as they both had a lot of feedback before. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225384/ | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | I need to start doing the work breakdown for this and get started on the first steps. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | That is all from me. | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | thanks! | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | #topic DVR | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DVR (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:22 | |
| Swami | mlavalle:hi | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | regXboi, haleyb, Swami you are up | 15:22 |
| Swami | I have been working with haleyb on some of the bugs that we have been seeing in upstream | 15:23 |
| Swami | Right now there are two bugs that might be the reason for the inconsistent behavior in the gate. | 15:23 |
| regXboi | references? | 15:23 |
| Swami | regXboi: hold on I will paste the patches. | 15:24 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228582/ | 15:24 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229561/ | 15:24 |
| Swami | The second patch that I posted, still does not have a bug associated with it. I will file a bug today. Right now I am testing it in the gate to see if I am seeing the floatingip race condition. | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | I will add them to the wiki so we can track them easilly next week | 15:25 |
| Swami | Also the second patch needs some more work, from the server side to clean up the namespace. | 15:25 |
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| Swami | Myself and haleyb were looking at the floatingip race condition yesterday from the log. | 15:25 |
| haleyb | Swami: ok, that's the one where the namespace gets deleted from under us with a command in-flight | 15:26 |
| Swami | So in order to avoid this race, I am suggesting that we don't cleanup the fip namespace after every iteration and only clean up when the network is removed. | 15:26 |
| Swami | haleyb: yes | 15:26 |
| Swami | I did a similar change in the server side a while back but now I will use the same context to issue a namespace cleanup in the agent as well. | 15:27 |
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| Swami | Once I have the server side up I will open it up for reviews. | 15:27 |
| regXboi | from my point I'm working to accumulate some more coding resources for DVR tasks and next week I'll be looking at DVR performance | 15:27 |
| Swami | regXboi: thanks | 15:28 |
| Swami | regXboi: what do you mean by coding resources for DVR, from community or internal. | 15:28 |
| regXboi | Swami: I mean internal | 15:28 |
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| Swami | regXboi: ok | 15:28 |
| haleyb | regXboi: let me know if i can help | 15:29 |
| regXboi | haleyb: ack | 15:29 |
| Swami | also there was issue with the snat static routes and there is patch that addresses this issue. | 15:29 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228026/ | 15:29 |
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| Swami | regXboi: please also count me in for any DVR issues that you are targetting upstream. | 15:30 |
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| regXboi | Swami: ack | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | i'll track that patchset in the wiki as well | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: ack | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’ll have some review time today. | 15:30 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: regXboi: This patch needs your attention, I think I have addressed all comments. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225319/ | 15:30 |
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| regXboi | Swami: ack - will look sometime today | 15:31 |
| Swami | I forgot to all one other patch that haleyb is working on | 15:31 |
| Swami | ip_lib patch to check for existence of a device before returns the handle for the device. | 15:31 |
| Swami | s/all/add | 15:31 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229010/ | 15:32 |
| Swami | that's all I have now for DVR | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | Swami: thanks! | 15:32 |
| Swami | hopefully by next week we can fix all the instability issues. Keeping my fingers crossed. | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | haleyb, regXboi: anything else? | 15:33 |
| regXboi | mlavalle: nope - I expect to have more next week | 15:33 |
| haleyb | nope | 15:33 |
| regXboi | once I have the net node baselines in place to compare to | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | thanks, moving on | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP dynamic routing | 15:34 |
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| tidwellr | Hi | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | hi there ! | 15:34 |
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| tidwellr | I'm working on decomposing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201621/, it's really big | 15:35 |
| devvesa | thanks tidwellr :) | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Really Big (tm) | 15:36 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin made a brave attempt at a review and ran out of gas | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 15:36 |
| tidwellr | devvesa too :) | 15:36 |
| vikram | great | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Overall, it is looking very god. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | good | 15:36 |
| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: well, you know ;) | 15:37 |
| devvesa | yes it does | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | vikram, how are the agent patches looking? | 15:37 |
| vikram | devvesa: glad to see you ;) | 15:37 |
| devvesa | :) | 15:37 |
| tidwellr | I still need to make route discovery address scope aware | 15:37 |
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| vikram | tidwellr: looks good to me ;)... Scheduler needs some attention | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: I’m going to hit address scopes hard as soon as I wrap up this DVR thing for DVR + HA. | 15:38 |
| vikram | carl_baldwin: it would be helpful if you have a glance over other patches | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | vikram: ack | 15:39 |
| tidwellr | yes, the agent patches are in better shape than https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201621/ | 15:39 |
| vikram | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:39 |
| tidwellr | you won't run out of gas with those :) | 15:39 |
| vikram | devvesa: also promised to review those ;) | 15:39 |
| devvesa | I did. And I will do :) | 15:40 |
| vikram | devvesa, carl_baldwin, tidwellr: thanks | 15:40 |
| tidwellr | I have been able to take the code we have up for review, deploy it, and actually route to tenant networks with it | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: awesome! | 15:40 |
| devvesa | cool! | 15:41 |
| vikram | great work! | 15:41 |
| Swami | ++ | 15:41 |
| tidwellr | unless vikram has anything else, I think that's it on the BGP front | 15:42 |
| vikram | I don't have anything to highlight | 15:43 |
| vikram | tidwellr: We are in sync ;) | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | tidwellr, vikram thanks for the update | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | next one.... | 15:43 |
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| mlavalle | #topic DNS | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | #topic DNS | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | so, functionality in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212213/ for floating ips is complete | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | I have thoroughly tested it in my sandbox and seems to be bug free | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | I have also incorporated the designate team feedback as far as creating the zones for reverse lookups from and admin user context | 15:45 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "DNS (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:45 | |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Great! | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | I just realized yesterday that I forgot to make PTR pointers optional based on a config parameter. But that is a minor change that will be taken care of today | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | that was feedback from the designate team | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | so I am starting to work on the nova side to create instace ports with dns_name | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | and that will close the whole circle | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Any chance the Jenkins tests can be cleaned up? Those tend to scare reviewers away. | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | I will also start bugging johnthetubaguy to make sure dns makes it to nova priorities in this cycle | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: I haven't paid attention to that because i think the problem is that we don't have designate in the gate | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | but over the next few days i plan to run the whoile test suite in my sandbox | 15:49 |
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| mlavalle | so we have a better picture of that | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: ok | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | i will also ping anteaya to start working with the infra team to get designate + neutron in the gate | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | makes sense? | 15:50 |
| anteaya | mlavalle: all you need to do is write the tests and jobs | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | Regarding Nova. I think we should have the code up. Otherwise, I think it will go like it has before. They haven’t come through for us. | 15:50 |
| anteaya | mlavalle: I can help you find samples if you need them | 15:50 |
| anteaya | mlavalle: find me in infra after the meeting | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: agree | 15:50 |
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| mlavalle | anteaya: i'll ping you today or tomorrow, thanks! | 15:51 |
| anteaya | sure | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have today | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | #topic Address Scopes | 15:51 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: since you mentioned this above, you want to discuss any further? | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | I kind of gave an update here. Will start hitting it hard soon. | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | cool | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | in that case | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open agenda | 15:52 |
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| mlavalle | I have a personal announcement to share with the team | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | tomorrow is my last day at Rackspace | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | this coming Monday I start at IBM as an OpenStack developer focused in Neutron | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | uopstream, so you guys are not getting rid of me..... :-) | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | You’ll still be the same mlavalle to us! We’re happy you’ll have time to continue working with us. | 15:54 |
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| vikram | mlavalle: Best of luck! | 15:54 |
| pc_m | mlavalle: good to see you're still involved in OS. | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | thanks! | 15:54 |
| Swami | mlavalle: congrats! and best of luck. | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | any other open topics? | 15:55 |
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| mlavalle | ok, in that case, let's give back 5 minutes back to everybody's agenda | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 1 15:56:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-10-01-15.00.html | 15:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-10-01-15.00.txt | 15:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2015/neutron_l3.2015-10-01-15.00.log.html | 15:56 |
| mlavalle | have a nice day guys | 15:56 |
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| pc_m | bye | 15:56 |
| vikram | bye | 15:56 |
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| carl_baldwin | ye | 15:57 |
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| j^2 | docaedo: i’m here :D | 17:01 |
| docaedo | Anyone here for the App Catalog meeting today? (we discussed pushing off this weeks meeting on the channel, but in case anyone is here for it) | 17:01 |
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| j^2 | yep, | 17:01 |
| j^2 | but i’m here just to catch up | 17:01 |
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| j^2 | oh cool, i can read the backlog | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | j^2: I propose we catch up on the regular channel then :) | 17:01 |
| j^2 | sounds good | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so skipping? =) | 17:03 |
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| kfox1111 | o/ | 17:03 |
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| docaedo | I propose skip, but we have an audience it seems - what do you all want? | 17:04 |
| kfox1111 | we have some stuff to talk about. | 17:04 |
| docaedo | let's do it :) | 17:04 |
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| kfox1111 | https on apps.openstack.org, | 17:04 |
| kfox1111 | need one more patch I think and then app-catalog-ui-1.0.0b1 | 17:05 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 1 17:05:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:05 |
| docaedo | #topic rollcall | 17:05 |
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| docaedo | o/ | 17:05 |
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| kfox1111 | o/ | 17:05 |
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| docaedo | courtesy ping for j^2 and kzaitsev_mb | 17:06 |
| j^2 | :D | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | pong | 17:06 |
| docaedo | #topic Updates | 17:07 |
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| docaedo | kfox1111: if you wouldn't mind re-stating what you said moments ago (for the OFFICIAL RECORD of course) | 17:07 |
| kfox1111 | k. | 17:07 |
| kfox1111 | whats the status of https on apps.openstack.org? | 17:08 |
| docaedo | My understanding is the cert was purchased yesterday | 17:08 |
| kfox1111 | awesome. :) | 17:08 |
| docaedo | I'll ping fungi after the meeting to confirm | 17:08 |
| j^2 | nice! | 17:08 |
| kfox1111 | so, almost there. | 17:08 |
| docaedo | then once it's purchased, he'll put it in their hiera and merge the patch | 17:09 |
| fungi | docaedo: i'll be around | 17:09 |
| fungi | docaedo: oh, i pinged you last night in #openstack-infra with the hiera key names i used for those | 17:09 |
| docaedo | fungi: nice thanks! haha, a celebrity appearance in our app-catalog meeting! | 17:09 |
| fungi | they're all ready to get included in the global site manifest now | 17:09 |
| * fungi is _everywhere_ | 17:09 | |
| docaedo | fungi: ah sorry, I missed that - great, I'll catch up with you then on infra | 17:09 |
| fungi | sounds good | 17:10 |
| kfox1111 | k. next up is the status of the app-catalog-ui. | 17:10 |
| kfox1111 | I've got one more patch I want to put in, then we can do a 1.0.0b1 | 17:10 |
| docaedo | excellent! | 17:11 |
| kfox1111 | Hopefully I can get to it tomorrow or this weekend. | 17:11 |
| kfox1111 | docaedo: can you draft up a release anouncement or figure out how to do those? | 17:11 |
| docaedo | #action docaedo to learn about how we are supposed to do a release | 17:11 |
| docaedo | yep, will do that | 17:12 |
| kfox1111 | cool. thanks. | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | there were a couple of emails this month, that denoted how to make release notes =) | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I've marked them as "toread" =) | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but haven't, I guess =( | 17:12 |
| kfox1111 | nice. | 17:12 |
| j^2 | docaedo: releases are pretty straight forward | 17:13 |
| kfox1111 | third item, any more reviewers for the django/flask prototype? | 17:13 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: haha, I'll look for the threads, and fall back on my usual mode of pestering the infra channel for the details | 17:13 |
| j^2 | there’s great docs on the wiki | 17:13 |
| docaedo | j^2: cool thanks, yeah you've been through that already too, glad to hear it's pretty straight forward | 17:13 |
| j^2 | yep, it’s my world ;) | 17:14 |
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| docaedo | kfox1111: can you share the link for that patch again? | 17:14 |
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| j^2 | oh yeah i do have a question for the room; and i thought here would be a good forum, when i can ask please ping me | 17:14 |
| kfox1111 | ok. just a sec... | 17:15 |
| kfox1111 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227856/ | 17:15 |
| docaedo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227856/ | 17:16 |
| kfox1111 | j^2: will do. one other item to discuss. | 17:16 |
| j^2 | kk | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | docaedo: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071189.html this thread I guess. not sure if it applies. | 17:16 |
| kfox1111 | last one I've got, the summit. we really really need to get murano, glance, and the app-catalog teams in a room and chat. :) | 17:17 |
| j^2 | oh ha! | 17:17 |
| j^2 | that’s what i was going to ask | 17:17 |
| kfox1111 | :) | 17:17 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: thanks - yep I read that thread. Not sure it's directly applicable to what we're doing right this moment (for a very first release) but a few points in there need to be remembered | 17:17 |
| j^2 | kfox1111: at the operators meetup, people looked at me like i was crazy talking about the apps project | 17:17 |
| kfox1111 | sorry to steal your tunder. | 17:18 |
| docaedo | oh yeah! thank you for reminding me! I was going to talk about that | 17:18 |
| j^2 | so as a “pseudo”member of this project, we need to do some marketing | 17:18 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:18 |
| docaedo | Meant to chat on the regular channel about proposing a cross-project topic: http://odsreg.openstack.org/ | 17:18 |
| j^2 | i want y’all to succeed, and i want to help how i can | 17:18 |
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| kfox1111 | goes back to that converstaion about is openstack an os or not. We have a lot of explaining there I think. :/ | 17:18 |
| j^2 | woah, I’ve never seen that site before | 17:18 |
| docaedo | and we will have rooms for one fishbowl session and one working session | 17:18 |
| kfox1111 | I'm hoping once we have a release of the app-catalog ui, and we have it in a few distro's, it will start selling itself. | 17:19 |
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| j^2 | kfox1111: that’s…ambitious, i think the idea of just cornering people is better then nothing | 17:19 |
| j^2 | i’m having to do this with chef so…selfishly any practices i can have “selling” internal OS projects is a + to me | 17:20 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:20 |
| docaedo | I think the key will be getting Horizon team to adopt it (after we have packages that make it dead easy to implement) | 17:21 |
| j^2 | but yeah making it an official “cross-project” is actually probably the best way. just hope you get selected to be one of the later ones so you can sell it over the [beers|drinks|sake|lunch table] | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | I'm kind of hoping its like the other app stores on phones. It wasn't obvious it was a great idea, until it was there right on the phone, | 17:21 |
| docaedo | because the UI piece is super lightweight and low impact, but brings a ton of value to any deployment | 17:21 |
| j^2 | from what i understand, horizon is…scatter brained | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | then it became demanded by everyone. | 17:21 |
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| j^2 | i’m going mobile, but i have irc cloud on my phone, slow responses but i’ll keep up | 17:22 |
| kfox1111 | kk. | 17:22 |
| kfox1111 | docaedo: still think that's a bad idea. | 17:22 |
| kfox1111 | thats like requiring the google app store to be shipped and non upgradable outside of an android release. | 17:23 |
| docaedo | the OpenStack Foundation is also very interested in promoting the catalog | 17:23 |
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| docaedo | kfox1111: that's true | 17:23 |
| kfox1111 | since the catalog relies on external functionality, being able to upgrade it on release cycles different then horizon's is helpful. | 17:23 |
| kfox1111 | I think the real solution is to ensure all the major openstack distro's support it. | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | rdo, ubuntu, debian, suse, fuel, etc. | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | if its just a yum install or a click on this extra box (hopefully even defaulted on), then its not really any harder to install then horizon. | 17:25 |
| docaedo | I can agree on that front, though the distros lag behind the release | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | or a debian suggests dep in the horizon package. | 17:25 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, thats usually becuase upstreams break compability with older stuff. :/ | 17:26 |
| kfox1111 | I'm hoping we keep compatabily with newer plugins with older horizons for at least a couple of years. | 17:26 |
| docaedo | though I agree the key is making the package super super easy, like you're saying - but the trick is to have a package that keeps up with updates in the catalog | 17:26 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. I've been toying around with having the plugin be a shell, and calling out to apps.openstack.org to fetch the javascript engine. | 17:26 |
| kfox1111 | but really unsure if that will make the distro folks sick. | 17:27 |
| kfox1111 | I suspect it will. | 17:27 |
| docaedo | hahaha yeah that's likely | 17:27 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Also I was thinkign, that horizon guys do not want to include new dashboards in horizon itself and were going to exclude some of the existing | 17:27 |
| kzaitsev_mb | not really sure if that's true though | 17:28 |
| kzaitsev_mb | just what some of my colleagues are often speaking about | 17:28 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, I heard that. with as plugable as it is in liberty+, its a resonable thing now. | 17:28 |
| j^2 | +1 | 17:29 |
| docaedo | I think kfox1111 is right about not pushing for it to be default include, I do agree with that - but the plugin works great and is really simple | 17:29 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | also inclusion into horizon repo would probably mean that changes would go slower. And it might be more a matter of packaging then =) | 17:29 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and there it might be a part of some meta-package and thus be a semi-default install ) | 17:30 |
| kfox1111 | maybe in a few years once we have v3+ and its all settled down, it may make sense then. | 17:30 |
| docaedo | correct, I guess I didn't really mean "include it directly in horizon" :) I was just thinking about making it so easy to include in a cloud. | 17:30 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah, it fuel it could just be a defaulted on checkbox in the cloud deployment. in packstack, just a defaulted on feature. etc. | 17:30 |
| docaedo | which means rpm/deb, plus working with *someone* from the chef side to get that included as an easy option... | 17:30 |
| kfox1111 | ah. yeah. | 17:31 |
| docaedo | (and same goes for that other config management platform some people use ;) ) | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | the chef/ansible/kolla/etc side of things too. | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | maybe we need to spend some time at the summit talking to the various deployment projects too. | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | tripleo.. | 17:31 |
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| kfox1111 | I'm close on an rdo package. | 17:32 |
| docaedo | yeah I was about to say I don't think anyone uses that for anything other than testing, but seems redhat included it in their latest foreman/staypuft thing | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | so that would help with kolla too. | 17:32 |
| docaedo | but it's pretty easy to write a fuel plugin once it's packaged, so that one won't be too hard | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | rdomanager's based on tripleo. | 17:32 |
| kfox1111 | they are pushing it as a packstack replacement. | 17:33 |
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| kfox1111 | I think, once they integrate with kolla, tripleo's going to be suddenlyl very interesting... | 17:33 |
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| docaedo | I still think it's too much for just deploying your base images (but I do like bifrost, which makes sense to me) | 17:34 |
| kfox1111 | I think it makes sense if you try and make bare metal available to users too. | 17:34 |
| docaedo | do agree though that kolla stuff is looking really interesting and has promise - but luckily, doesn't matter too much to us | 17:34 |
| kfox1111 | that way, you can shrink your hypervisor pool, and then users can use the evacuated bare meta. | 17:34 |
| kfox1111 | anyway, way off on a tangent. | 17:34 |
| docaedo | I mean - completely agree with getting the deployers onboard | 17:35 |
| docaedo | but the route there is packages, and tooling (chef, puppet, ansible, kolla) | 17:35 |
| kfox1111 | right. | 17:35 |
| kfox1111 | kzaitsev_mb: do you do anything with fuel or just murano? | 17:35 |
| kfox1111 | cause I think fuel packages are somewhat different then rdo ones? | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | nah, mostly murano. | 17:36 |
| kfox1111 | ok. | 17:37 |
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| kfox1111 | docaedo: how about you? | 17:37 |
| docaedo | fuel deploys on fedora or ubuntu, so just uses whatever packages are available (more or less) | 17:37 |
| docaedo | I might know more about fuel than I want to :D | 17:37 |
| kfox1111 | last I looked, mirantis was actually providing all the rpms. | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | although I think, that you're right, about the fact that those are different | 17:37 |
| kfox1111 | (centos 6) and rdo is only supporting centos 7. | 17:37 |
| docaedo | they build a lot but the majority comes from upstream AFAIK - but another tangent ;) | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | kfox1111: docaedo: yep, I thought that fuel uses it's own packaged or re-packaged packages. Have to ask around to verify that though | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | I didn't think there was an upstream rpm set of packages yet. | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | kzaitsev_mb: Thanks. | 17:38 |
| kfox1111 | I'm guessing we can adapt the rdo one I wrote with minimal effort, but I don't know for sure. | 17:39 |
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| kfox1111 | rpms can look the same on the surface, but are very different under the hood sometimes. | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | (for example, if they move everythign to /opt) | 17:39 |
| docaedo | Dmitry wrote a good blog post about what's proprietary in fuel that would help | 17:39 |
| kfox1111 | If Iremember correctly, fuel packages had qa'ed patches in them, and were licensed by mirantis to companies. | 17:40 |
| kfox1111 | per seat. | 17:40 |
| docaedo | but for our purposes, the plugin for fuel would basically be a wrapper for a shell script that deploys the UI with knowledge of the internals (like fetching variables from nailgun or whatever) | 17:40 |
| kfox1111 | no, I'd expect the plugin to simply yum install the extra package, and most of the work woudl be in packaging up the plugin into a fuel-horizon compatable rpm. | 17:41 |
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| kfox1111 | I don't think fuel uses venvs or things like that? | 17:42 |
| docaedo | yes that's what I mean really - last time I looked at the plugin builder, we would essentially want to just write a puppet manifest that installs the package | 17:42 |
| kfox1111 | ah. | 17:42 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 17:42 |
| docaedo | No venvs as of the march/april (last time I was paying much attention to fuel stuff) | 17:43 |
| kfox1111 | probably can kill two birds there, fuel and puppet-app-catalog-ui? :) | 17:43 |
| docaedo | BUT Mirantis is excited about the catalog, and I am pretty sure they would want the catalog to be first class citizen in environments deployed by Fuel. | 17:43 |
| docaedo | I'm all for killing all the birds :) | 17:43 |
| kfox1111 | hehe | 17:44 |
| docaedo | but first, we need a release, and then a package :) | 17:44 |
| kfox1111 | +1. but, packages. :) | 17:44 |
| * docaedo needs to scare up some more coffee as soon as this meeting is over | 17:45 | |
| kfox1111 | I think the debian/ubuntu one's going to be very important too. | 17:45 |
| kfox1111 | just don't have time for it. :/ | 17:45 |
| kfox1111 | I'm shocked on the amount of reviewership rdo needs to get a package in. | 17:45 |
| docaedo | I still have it on my todo, promise I'll take a first pass at it in the next few days | 17:45 |
| kfox1111 | I'm thinking debian/ubuntu probably does as well. :/ | 17:45 |
| kfox1111 | cool. thanks. | 17:45 |
| docaedo | np | 17:45 |
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| kfox1111 | kind of lost track of the summit megameeting converstion. | 17:47 |
| docaedo | haha yeah | 17:47 |
| kfox1111 | do we have something schedualed or an action item to get something schedualed? | 17:47 |
| docaedo | #link http://odsreg.openstack.org/ | 17:47 |
| docaedo | #action docaedo to propose a cross-project meeting based on words that will come from a shared etherpad | 17:48 |
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| kfox1111 | k. | 17:48 |
| docaedo | #action docaedo to make the etherpad and share link on #openstack-app-catalog | 17:48 |
| docaedo | I'll do that right after I rectify my coffee situation :) | 17:49 |
| docaedo | ok anybody have anything else? | 17:51 |
| kfox1111 | cool. thanks. :) | 17:51 |
| kfox1111 | no, I think I used up my talking token today. ;) | 17:51 |
| docaedo | haha | 17:51 |
| docaedo | ok thanks as always everyone! glad we ended up having a meeting today and covering some good stuff | 17:52 |
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| docaedo | Talk to you on #openstack-app-catalog ! | 17:52 |
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| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 1 17:52:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-10-01-17.05.html | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-10-01-17.05.txt | 17:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2015/app_catalog.2015-10-01-17.05.log.html | 17:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: hi there | 18:01 |
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| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: hi | 18:01 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are missing ivar | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe he will join shortly, lets get started | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 1 18:02:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Oct_1st_2015 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Stable Release | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | per rkukura’s request, i put out stable releases for both juno and kilo | 18:03 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | a couple of days back, signed tarballs we posted | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: np | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | just wanted the team to note, the GBP service release version is one minor version ahead of the gbp automation and gbp UI | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so 2014.2.3 versus 2014.2.2 | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps it might be better to get these back in sync, just so taht its easier to track | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but for now thats where its at | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so the main follow up for the stable release is with regards to the packaging | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any hiccups with using the tarballs? | 18:06 |
| rkukura | OK, I’m working on updating the Fedora 22 packages to the latest stable/juno releases and the Fedora 23 packages to the latest stable/kilo releases. | 18:07 |
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| rkukura | No issues so far, but I haven’t done any testing of the packages yet. | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay sure | 18:07 |
| rkukura | The plan is for someone from Red Hat to then update the RDO juno and kilo packages based on these Fedora packages. | 18:07 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi, sorry I'm late | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: were you able to deploy any of the newly generated packages in your local setup? | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hi, np | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: just discussing the stable release and packaging follow up | 18:08 |
| ivar-lazzaro | k | 18:08 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I have not yet tried installing any of the pacakges. I’ll do that once they are all ready on fresh F22 and F23 VMs. | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, mainly asking because of the neutronclient version issue that you were mentioning earlier | 18:09 |
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| rkukura | One the Fedora kilo packages are ready, these will be moved into Red Hat’s new Delorean build system. | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay good to know | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: do the packages need to be built differently for this new system? | 18:10 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’m currently using the previous juno client that is compatible with the python-neutronclient that is in F22. | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:10 |
| rkukura | There will be some tweeks to the spec files for Delorean, but nothing major. | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:11 |
| rkukura | The nice thing is that Delorean monitors the git repo and triggers new packages on every commit, and I think runs some CI on them. | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: nice, so in our case what would the CI do? | 18:11 |
| rkukura | And RDO is using these. | 18:12 |
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| rkukura | I think the CI would be the same as or similar to the functional tests. | 18:12 |
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| rkukura | I’ll find out more details when we are ready. | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, i imagine we would have tell their CI what it should exercise at our end, and if thats the case we can perhaps leverage our existing gate jobs | 18:13 |
| rkukura | My undestanding is that the OpenStack services will no longer be included in Fedora as of F24, only the clients. | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:13 |
| rkukura | Is our current plan to update GBP service to work with liberty neutron as a service plugin? | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes that would probably the first step | 18:14 |
| rkukura | So that version would probably only be packaged through Delorean, not manually packaged for Fedora. | 18:15 |
| rkukura | Any questions on the Fedora/RDO packaging? | 18:16 |
| rkukura | Oh, if anyone is aware of any packaging-related bugs, please let me know. | 18:16 |
| rkukura | I did fix https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1193642 | 18:16 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1193642 in python-gbpclient "GBP bash-completion file not installed" [Unspecified,New] - Assigned to rk | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: how frequently can we update these packages once you are done with the current iteration of fixing them | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: nice, not having bash completion was inconvenient | 18:17 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: As frequently as we need to. With Delorean, this will happen automatically on every stable branch commit. | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for the update | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Integration tests | 18:18 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: in treeeee, lalalalalalalalaaa | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes indeed and catching issues | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks for pep8ifying up the integration tests | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i believe jishnu is trying to merge a few more tests | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so for everyone else, you could add integration tests with your patch if you wanted to | 18:20 |
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| * ivar-lazzaro thins we should make that mandatory at some point | 18:21 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes, i was going to say | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: for now what is mandatory is that every patch should pass the existing suite | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if the tests break with your patch then you have to fix | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, still need to do some things with the tests before making them mandatory imho | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: right | 18:22 |
| ivar-lazzaro | for instance, an "How to write functional tests" guide | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | subsequently, we will require some test coverage with every patch | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: absolutely | 18:23 |
| ivar-lazzaro | and a way to organize tests by tipe (smoke, granade etc...) | 18:23 |
| ivar-lazzaro | we don't want to run every test every time I think... 30 min is already enough time spent | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: right, and we would have separate jobs for those as well | 18:23 |
| ivar-lazzaro | we need Jishnu wisdom on this matter :) | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | as a higher priority we were tracking some bugs over the past few weeks | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any chance you got time to look at #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1470646 ? | 18:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470646 in Group Based Policy "Deleting network associated with L2P results in infinite loop" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 18:25 |
| rkukura | Not yet, but I will today or tomorrow | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: how about #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1489090 and #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1418839 ? | 18:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1489090 in Group Based Policy "GBP: Resource intergrity fails between policy-rule-set & external-policy" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Magesh GV (magesh-gv) | 18:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1418839 in Group Based Policy "Service config in yaml cannot be loaded" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Magesh GV (magesh-gv) | 18:27 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: I did not get a chance to do this, will do it soon | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: ok thanks | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i also noticed this issue yesterday #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1501657 | 18:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1501657 in Group Based Policy "Explicit router provided for L3 Policy creation is not used" [High,New] | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am not sure what a good use case for this would be, but there was someone in the community who wanted to do this | 18:28 |
| rkukura | I can look into that if you’d like | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | when i tried doing this, the router ID i provided while creating the L3P was not used, instead a new one got created | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that would be great | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also i releazied that our CLI does not even support this option of passing the routers list | 18:29 |
| rkukura | ugh | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so i will fix the CLI and perhaps you can look at it after that | 18:29 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that you can actually reprodue the issue :-) | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *reproduce | 18:30 |
| rkukura | makes it easier | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i fixed the CLI in my local setup to test it | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay any other critical bugs? | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is a vendor bug reported as critical, which i think should de-prioritized | 18:30 |
| rkukura | Is Jishnu going to retest https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1417312? | 18:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1417312 in Group Based Policy "GBP: Existing L3Policy results in failure to create PTG with default L2Policy" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah i just remembered that when i saw the list | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i will request him to do that | 18:31 |
| rkukura | thanks | 18:31 |
| rkukura | I’ll be there Monday and can work with him on it if needed | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah that would be great | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Node Composition Plugin enhancements | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for posting the new spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228693 | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for traffic stitching and proxy groups | 18:32 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: a spec on the PT HA will come as well | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: nice!!1 | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | will make mageshgv happy i guess :-) | 18:33 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam :-) | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks for the review on those two patches and getting them merged earlier today | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: implementation for mageshgv is there already ;) | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: you rock! | 18:34 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: nice ! | 18:35 |
| ivar-lazzaro | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229673/ | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i believe you wanted to discuss the context elevation issue? | 18:35 |
| ivar-lazzaro | failing py27 apparently, but still :) | 18:35 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: thanks, will take a look | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was referring to patch #link https://review.openstack.org/222704 | 18:35 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: more than that, we have a issue with notifications for added/removed consumers to a chain | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay so first things first | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: is the update for service nodes now working? | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yes and no | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, so we need to solve the other problem first? | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | it is working for new PTs | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | that's part of it | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | so, to give some context: | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes please | 18:37 |
| ivar-lazzaro | The RMD implements a way to decide *who* owns the SCI | 18:38 |
| ivar-lazzaro | it can either be an admin, or the provider | 18:38 |
| ivar-lazzaro | However, when you are in *admin* mode, there's a conflict around who can modify the Specs and the Nodes | 18:39 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | more specifically, in our initial design, the owner of the SCI would also be the owner of Specs and Nodes (except for shared stuff) | 18:40 |
| ivar-lazzaro | The use case we want to solve with this is: What if I want the provider to own SCN and SCS, but an admin to own SCIs? | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: right | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | This wouldn't work today! Because a normal tenant modifying the SCN wouldn't be able to affect instances he doesn't own | 18:41 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | This is a RBAC problem, | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | a bit convoluted to solve with our current infrastructure | 18:42 |
| ivar-lazzaro | So my proposal is to simplify the problem as follows: | 18:42 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | Why do you want an admin to own the SCI? the SCI per se is just a DB object, doesn't contain any dangerous info or anything... In fact, it's pretty useful for debug and UI purposes | 18:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | What we are really looking fore (IMHO) is a way to hide the Nova/Neutron resources | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i agree, in fact i would say we should make SCI visible perhaps | 18:43 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro +1 | 18:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | So my proposal is to not change anything at all :) | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: right, hide the actual manifestation of the servies | 18:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | which means | 18:44 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | That we can have Provider-owned chains (supported already) | 18:44 |
| ivar-lazzaro | and the Node Driver can choose to use a different tenant (configured) | 18:44 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | for deploying actual manifestations of the service | 18:45 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: So we will have to replace the TScP as well then ? | 18:45 |
| ivar-lazzaro | So all we need is basically a validation of this model | 18:45 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: TScP could be extended to use a different tenant indeed | 18:46 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: okay, got it | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | but we can even decide that this approach is so useful | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | that we want a standard way to make it possible internally | 18:47 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: right | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | like we have get_plumbing_info, we could have a get_tenant_context API or something | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | so that the node can decide who owns what | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | node driver* | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Before going that however, I would like to see a working implementation of this model (by extending the TScP for instance) | 18:48 |
| ivar-lazzaro | and then we can merge this approach in the reference implementation | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we earlier had trouble deciding whether the consumer or provider should own the SCI | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence we decided to have the option of creating it as admin | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: we still have it | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I believe there are two cases... The case where an omnipotent operator wants to own ALL THE THINGS (admin mode) | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes sure, we still have that option | 18:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | and the case where the application deployers is given the power to decide what services to put in front of the application (way less concern-separated... But still useful) | 18:51 |
| ivar-lazzaro | From these two cases, there's a huge number of subcases, that we obviously can't support | 18:52 |
| ivar-lazzaro | but we can implement almost anything starting from those 2 points... All we need is a proper workflow to present users on how to achieve a certain thing | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Pluggable drivers are good for this reason! They can experiment and create new ways of owning resources. And we can integrate is in the NCP if we agree on some of them | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, so in the context of mageshgv’s requirement your recommendation is to use provider-owned SCIs? | 18:55 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: that seems like the cleaner way to reach what he's looking for | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | That said, we had an extra problem | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Which is that Notifications didn't follow the right ownership | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | (new PTs, new Consumers) | 18:56 |
| ivar-lazzaro | The reason is that the notifications used to happen in the main GBP plugin (since they are always needed) and the plugin have no knowledge of the chain owner | 18:57 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | So what I did is creating a chain_mapping driver for service chain operations (more modularity, less code in one single class) | 18:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | and I put the notification burden on this class, which will in turn use the right context | 18:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Then a third and much worse problem rose :) | 18:58 |
| ivar-lazzaro | In notifying a new consumer, we need to specify which SCI is affected | 18:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | however, I just realized we have no way of unambiguously know what SCI is created by which PRS! | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: hmmm | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i believe we only have tables to store the association of service chain specs to SCIs | 19:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | so, even if we remove some PRSs from a consumer, we don't know which SCI is affected | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i guess not not for PRSs | 19:00 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: Can we retireve PRS->Providing PTG->SCI ? | 19:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | We also have classifier_id | 19:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | but that's not enough | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: how can we go from PRS to Providing PTG? | 19:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: that's not enough either... Or rather, it is today but it won't be tomorrow | 19:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: if we have multiple chains provided by the same PTG | 19:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: just knowing the provider won't be enough | 19:01 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Today, the PRS DB gets populated with the providing and consuming PTGs | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok just noticed we over the stipulated time | 19:01 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets continue the discussion in #openstack-gbp | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | ok | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: sorry to cut off in this channel | 19:02 |
| mageshgv | ok, bye | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 1 19:02:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-10-01-18.02.html | 19:02 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-10-01-18.02.txt | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-10-01-18.02.log.html | 19:02 |
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