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| ryansb | flaper87: meeting? | 15:01 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | yes | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Zaqar | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 27 15:01:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | hello folks :) | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | who else is here for the meeting? | 15:02 |
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| flaper87 | ryansb: I guess it'll be you and me | 15:02 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: is afk | 15:03 |
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| flaper87 | ok, I guess no one is around. I'm good at talking to myself but I'm not willing to embarrasse myself that much today | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | I mean, I'd love to but my backlog is huge | 15:05 |
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| flaper87 | ok, ending the meeting after 5 mins and no other participants | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 15:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 27 15:06:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-07-27-15.01.html | 15:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-07-27-15.01.txt | 15:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2015/zaqar.2015-07-27-15.01.log.html | 15:06 |
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| ryansb | flaper87: /me was getting coffee | 15:08 |
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| flaper87 | ryansb: lets talk in the channel and sync there | 15:09 |
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| ryansb | SGTM | 15:09 |
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| j^2 | #startmeeting openstack-chef | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 27 16:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef' | 16:00 |
| j^2 | Hey everyone! | 16:00 |
| sc` | good $TIME_OF_DAY | 16:00 |
| j^2 | as history pre-tells, i’ll give a 5 min window for people to join | 16:01 |
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| j^2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-chef-meeting-20150727 | 16:01 |
| markvan | howdy | 16:01 |
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| j^2 | friendly ping: @markvan @mattray @wenchma @jklare @cmluciano @zhiwei @sc` | 16:02 |
| j^2 | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| j^2 | So if yall didn’t see we’re on the apps.openstack.org | 16:05 |
| j^2 | http://apps.openstack.org/#tab=glance-images&asset=Chef%20Server | 16:05 |
| j^2 | #link http://apps.openstack.org/#tab=glance-images&asset=Chef%20Server | 16:06 |
| j^2 | just want to make sure you see it, it would be nice if people actually used it | 16:06 |
| sc` | (party) | 16:06 |
| sc` | oh wait, not skype :) | 16:06 |
| j^2 | #topic <sc`> c7 still requires some modifications to common to start to converge. still working on getting a converge | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "<sc`> c7 still requires some modifications to common to start to converge. still working on getting a converge (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:06 | |
| j^2 | sc`: updates? | 16:07 |
| sc` | nothing new. still pending a PR for mariadb | 16:07 |
| j^2 | great | 16:08 |
| j^2 | by great i mean this is where FOSS fails use | 16:08 |
| j^2 | us* | 16:08 |
| j^2 | everyone go ahead and post | 16:09 |
| sc` | i also have a to-be-proposed change against common to change the yum repos over to match what rdo-release provides | 16:09 |
| j^2 | #link https://github.com/sinfomicien/mariadb/pull/73 | 16:09 |
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| j^2 | #topic <j^2> specs.openstack.org | 16:10 |
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| j^2 | yeah i still havent done anything. does anyone else want to run with this? I’ve got to many other things going on | 16:11 |
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| j^2 | no takers? | 16:13 |
| j^2 | no worries, i’ll still work on it when i have the cycles | 16:13 |
| j^2 | #topic <all> How to handle cross project CI testing. | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "<all> How to handle cross project CI testing. (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:13 | |
| j^2 | markvan: i’m betting you have some thoughts here | 16:14 |
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| j^2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64 | 16:15 |
| markvan | would like to see the infra patches move forward for the repo tests | 16:15 |
| j^2 | where are we stuck on that? | 16:16 |
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| markvan | I pushed up a small patch to include some cinder volume in the repo test: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204665/5 more work is needed, but this is a start. | 16:16 |
| markvan | jklare: any thoughts on the infra patches for repo? | 16:16 |
| j^2 | this dove tails in with the aio-neutron patch | 16:17 |
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| j^2 | we need to create an overlay network on eth0 for OVS to work | 16:17 |
| j^2 | it’s suprisely hard | 16:18 |
| j^2 | automaticly anyway | 16:18 |
| j^2 | manually it’s pretty straight forward | 16:18 |
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| j^2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196858/ | 16:19 |
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| markvan | I see you also touched aio-nova, was that necessary? or should be focus that patch on neutron only | 16:21 |
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| j^2 | yeah there was a fix in it that needed to be fixed | 16:22 |
| j^2 | to be consistent with the other changes | 16:23 |
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| markvan | k, I'll spin both of those up again and see what happens. I had some minor comments on that review...but we might need more doc explaining what type of network we are trying to setup here. | 16:25 |
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| j^2 | for the AIO-nova theer isn’t anything needed other than the consistency. It’s not even used iirc | 16:26 |
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| j^2 | the aio-neutron is different though; it requires the second interface for OVS | 16:27 |
| j^2 | and as I’ve discovered over time at least on the mac it requires an ethernet port, Airport doest work as the bridged network device | 16:27 |
| j^2 | i think i mention that in the .md | 16:27 |
| j^2 | it’s a well documented hardware issue with vagrant/virtualbox/airport drivers thingy | 16:28 |
| j^2 | #topic <j^2> Manila Cookbook: https://github.com/jjasghar/cookbook-openstack-shared-filesystem | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "<j^2> Manila Cookbook: https://github.com/jjasghar/cookbook-openstack-shared-filesystem (Meeting topic: openstack-chef)" | 16:28 | |
| j^2 | thanks markvan for the updates, i had to context switch this last week to get the glance image out. | 16:28 |
| j^2 | ideally i’ll be attacking this cookobok againg this week | 16:29 |
| j^2 | #topic <j^2> stable/kilo | 16:29 |
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| j^2 | so what do we need to make happen or have left? | 16:29 |
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| sc` | i'd like to get this centos repo change in for the branching | 16:30 |
| j^2 | link? | 16:30 |
| sc` | don't have one yet, it's still local :) | 16:31 |
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| j^2 | review that shit up! | 16:32 |
| markvan | the aio_neutron should probably get in as well as the CI infra tests | 16:32 |
| j^2 | anything else add it to the TODO on the agenda so we can track it | 16:34 |
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| j^2 | #topic <j^2> Magnum Cookbook: TBD | 16:34 |
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| j^2 | this needs to happen | 16:35 |
| j^2 | i think this is basically…a wrapper cookbook too | 16:35 |
| j^2 | i should have picked it before manilla | 16:35 |
| j^2 | that was my bad | 16:35 |
| j^2 | thoughts? | 16:35 |
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| sc` | we definitely need that | 16:36 |
| j^2 | i’m gonna attempt to do it, but i’d love some help | 16:36 |
| sc` | i might be able to spare some cycles | 16:37 |
| j^2 | rock on, it really shouldn’t be hard from what I’ve seen | 16:37 |
| j^2 | just need to automate this: https://github.com/openstack/magnum/blob/master/doc/source/dev/dev-manual-devstack.rst | 16:37 |
| j^2 | #topic <markvan> http://kramvan1.github.io/cookbook-openstack-doc/ | 16:38 |
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| j^2 | any updates for this? | 16:38 |
| markvan | Just made a couple minor updates, any feedback would be nice. I plan on pushing up a couple minor patches to help with the readability and content of our readme and attr files | 16:40 |
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| j^2 | sounds good | 16:42 |
| j^2 | i’ll put it on my list for today | 16:42 |
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| j^2 | #topic <j^2> HOT | 16:44 |
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| j^2 | so as soon as i published the glance images, i had requests for heat templates for the same thing | 16:45 |
| j^2 | https://github.com/jjasghar/chef-heat-templates | 16:45 |
| j^2 | i have an HA build an a single-server image too | 16:45 |
| j^2 | i’d love some feedback on it, but ideally the single-server should be posted on apps also too | 16:45 |
| j^2 | the ha needs some interations; but it’s almost done | 16:45 |
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| j^2 | cool | 16:47 |
| j^2 | #topic General Discussion | 16:47 |
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| markvan | I'll try to review those today... | 16:47 |
| j^2 | floor is open | 16:47 |
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| markvan | this spec seems ready to me....please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194229/ | 16:53 |
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| j^2 | will do | 16:55 |
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| j^2 | ok, i’m gonna close this meeting, thanks everyone | 16:57 |
| j^2 | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 27 16:57:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-07-27-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-07-27-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2015/openstack_chef.2015-07-27-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
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| devananda | o/ | 16:59 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 16:59 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 16:59 |
| stendulker | o/ | 16:59 |
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| cinerama | hi | 16:59 |
| ifarkas | o/ | 16:59 |
| JoshNang | o/ | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 27 17:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:00 |
| jroll | \o | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | hi | 17:00 |
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| devananda | g'morning / afternoon / evening, everyone :) | 17:00 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | Roll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greetings, roll-call and announcements (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| BadCub | mornign folks | 17:00 |
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| NobodyCam | good morning everyone | 17:00 |
| Serge | Morning | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| sinval_ | moning | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | great to see everyone here | 17:01 |
| jroll | I just added an open discussion thing btw, so whoever is leading pls refresh agenda :) | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | #topic announcements: | 17:01 |
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| NobodyCam | Ironic Mid-cycle is August 12th thru 15th in Seattle | 17:01 |
| devananda | we currently have 23 sign-ups for the midcycle | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | FYI: I believe the address on the eventbright ticket is incorrect: 701 Pike St vs 701 East Pike street | 17:01 |
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| devananda | if you haven't already, please jot your name down on the etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-liberty-midcycle) and "buy" a ticket (link is at the top) | 17:02 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: eek! | 17:02 |
| * devananda checks | 17:02 | |
| jroll | devananda: I'll be walking 10 extra blocks thanks to that :P | 17:02 |
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| NobodyCam | https://www.google.com/maps/dir/701+Pike+St,+Seattle,+WA+98101/Edge+of+the+Circle+Books,+701+E+Pike+St,+Seattle,+WA+98122,+United+States/@47.6125878,-122.3319583,16z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x54906ab5024ab26f:0xd7c85864845c80c1!2m2!1d-122.3327557!2d47.6114473!1m5!1m1!1s0x54906acb9d4dd5d7:0x22368ac5213de5ea!2m2!1d-122.3232484!2d47.61395 | 17:03 |
| BadCub | form to give input on food-y related things for mid-cycle is: http://goo.gl/forms/MTCOHedcYi | 17:03 |
| BadCub | I only have 15 responses so far | 17:03 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: you are correct ... | 17:03 |
| devananda | #info Address for the midcycle is WA State Convention Center, 701 Pike St. ** Not East Pike ** | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | any have the midcycle etherpad link handy?? | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | s/any/anyone/ | 17:04 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-liberty-midcycle | 17:04 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-liberty-midcycle | 17:04 |
| jroll | :| | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | :_ ty both | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | any other announcements | 17:05 |
| jroll | so I just realized all but one item on the "what do folks want to hack on" list are from me | 17:05 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yes - the meeting times | 17:05 |
| jroll | so folks if there's things you want to get done, please add them | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | oh devananda ++ | 17:06 |
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| devananda | I sent out a follow-up email to the ML about two weeks ago now (in response to the last meeting we had at this time) | 17:06 |
| devananda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069363.html | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | jroll, I'm looking forward you all fixing driver composition spec for me :) | 17:06 |
| devananda | that got only one response on the ML (thanks, jroll ) | 17:06 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: :) | 17:06 |
| devananda | tldr; the alternating meeting times aren't working for us | 17:07 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah I haven't replied cause I've never attended the other meeting | 17:07 |
| devananda | heh | 17:07 |
| lucasagomes | but if people that attends thinks it's not productive I'm +1 to remove it | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | for me the night time meeting is hard to attend as I fall asleep before it starts | 17:07 |
| devananda | given that, in two weeks, no one has said "please don't cancel them" I'm going to, well, cancel them | 17:07 |
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| rloo | presumably all/most people in this meeting are fine with changing to have it now. maybe bring this up at the other date/time? | 17:08 |
| devananda | #info alternate meeting times are going to stop after the midcycle | 17:08 |
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| BadCub | I don;t attend the late night meetings at all | 17:08 |
| NobodyCam | thank you devananda for hte # info | 17:08 |
| devananda | rloo: there wasn't even a meeting last week -- I cancelled it via the mailing list, with a reminder to discuss it if it was a problem, and no one did | 17:08 |
| devananda | I, for one, am looking forward to having a meeting with all of you every week, instead of every other week | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:09 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: that's all for my announcements :) | 17:09 |
| jroll | +1 | 17:09 |
| NobodyCam | anyone else? | 17:09 |
| NobodyCam | if not moving on. | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: status report | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | Posted on Whiteboard | 17:10 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | thank you for the updates.. not a whole lot new there | 17:10 |
| NobodyCam | anything to go over? | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | please have a look at "testing" updates | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | ^^ re: the updates | 17:11 |
| rloo | yay for neutron/ironic specs landing! | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | awesome work on that everyone! | 17:11 |
| jroll | so, can we talk about the soft power / nmi interrupt thing that's currently under irmc? | 17:11 |
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| jroll | that's something that all drivers should be able to support, and there's a spec underway to do so | 17:11 |
| devananda | jroll, Sukhdev: thank you (&others) for the work on the neutron ML2 spec. I'm really happy with where it is at now (approved, that is :) ) | 17:11 |
| devananda | jroll: yes pls | 17:12 |
| jroll | I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't land a vendor passthru from something actively being worked on with a proper api | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | will pxe_ipmitool support soft power? | 17:12 |
| jroll | dtantsur: why not? ipmi supports it | 17:13 |
| devananda | dtantsur: in principle, it could | 17:13 |
| * dtantsur just does not know :) | 17:13 | |
| jroll | ipmitool [...] power soft # iirc | 17:13 |
| devananda | there are challenges inherent in supporting it, but those are the same regardless of driver | 17:13 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, hmm not sure what would be the problem on landing those vendor passthru, yeah it would be good to have the vendors to work together on a proper implementation | 17:13 |
| lucasagomes | but can't force on it | 17:13 |
| devananda | SNMP may not be able to (I'm not sure) | 17:13 |
| rloo | jroll: what's the spec you are mentioning? | 17:13 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: it's *already being worked on* | 17:13 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I beleieve you are correct | 17:14 |
| devananda | but any modern device with a BMC should be able to support it | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | then I'd rather make it a proper API | 17:14 |
| jroll | rloo: https://review.openstack.org//#/c/186700/ | 17:14 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: ^^ | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | +1 for proper api | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, right, but still we don't offer any guarantees for vendor passthru | 17:14 |
| jroll | it's being worked on via vendor passthru to support a customer request sooner | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | meaning that we don't have to keep backward compat | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | once the proper api lands we can just delete the vendor passthru ones | 17:14 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: sure, but do we want to land 1000 lines of code only to remove it shortly after? | 17:15 |
| devananda | fwiw, I believe AMT also supports it | 17:15 |
| rloo | given the time it takes to approve a spec and get it working, and that naohiro is the author of the spec AND the irmc code, I'm fine with his code. who knows when that code will get approved. | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, sure yeah I agree, I just don't think it's a big deal | 17:15 |
| jroll | I'm also concerned that the same person is working on the passthru api AND the official API, and incentive to do it properly drops if the passthru code lands | 17:15 |
| jroll | also, most of the code in the passthru is things that will need to be done in the general case (poll for power state etc) | 17:15 |
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| dtantsur | ++ | 17:16 |
| devananda | I'm fine in principle for vendors to do new and challenging things in /vendor_passthru/ | 17:16 |
| devananda | we've already seen that with raid and vlan things | 17:16 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: I've already spent a lot of time reviewing the passthru implementation and it hasn't gotten very far. I'm not inclined to spend that much time on both implementations | 17:16 |
| lucasagomes | yeah the same person working on both is def odd | 17:16 |
| devananda | however, this is really a common feature of almost all hardware | 17:16 |
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| dtantsur | The stated reason is that their customers want it *now*. I'm not sure it's a compelling reason for us... | 17:17 |
| devananda | eg, it's not a matter of only one or two vendors' hardware supporting it | 17:17 |
| jroll | dtantsur: right, implement out of tree in that case | 17:17 |
| devananda | so it's odd for only one driver to support it | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, ++ | 17:17 |
| rloo | remind me again, what's the process for drivers proposing vendor-passthrus? do they have to write a spec or bug, or just propose code? | 17:18 |
| jroll | just code afaik, rloo | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | last time it was "just propose" | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, just propose the code | 17:18 |
| devananda | rloo: just code in general | 17:18 |
| jroll | do we want to like, vote on this or something? | 17:18 |
| devananda | on the one hand, I'm of the mind that we shouldn't block a vendor who wants to do something that is implemented purely in /vendor_passthru/ -- and really, we can't, because they can just do it downstream | 17:19 |
| rloo | so if naohiro had not proposed a spec, would we be asking this question? | 17:19 |
| devananda | on the other hand, as ya'll already said, it's odd to have the same person writing the same feature in both vendor_passthru/ and in the common API | 17:19 |
| jroll | rloo: I believe it was proposed in response to me asking the question :) | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, vote whether we should not land vendor passthru stuff if there's a spec proposed/merged? | 17:20 |
| devananda | others have asked for this feature to be commonly supported in the past, but no one else stepped up to write it yet | 17:20 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: vote on this case, idk abuot 'always' | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | "they can just do it downstream" is a good reason not to rush with landing something we have doubts in, at least as far as vendor passthru is oncerned | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | * concerned | 17:20 |
| jroll | right, and I'm concerned we're spending a lot of dev/review cycles on this | 17:20 |
| rloo | i think the "right" thing to do (to save everyone time etc) is for us to decide now that we'll support the spec and review/approve it in a timely fashion, and not review the vendor-passthru solution. | 17:20 |
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| jroll | if you look at the patch there's a lot of back-and-forth and at least one full rewrite | 17:21 |
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| rloo | but if we cannot give some sort of time frame for the spec, it seems unfair to block the code as is. | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | rloo, neither can we give some sort of frame for the patch | 17:21 |
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| dtantsur | I suspect more people would care about a generic thingy | 17:21 |
| jroll | ^^ | 17:22 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yeah. that's true, no time frame for the patch. so ahhh, why do we need to vote on it. we could just not review it. personally decide I mean. (Oh, I said it out aloud.) | 17:22 |
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| jroll | rloo: I think we need to give the author clear direction rather than just ignoring the patch | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | rloo, we can (and many do), but this particular approach is not honest IMO | 17:22 |
| jroll | people have ignored that patch enough already :) | 17:23 |
| devananda | rloo: I think jroll and I may be the only ones who have reviewed the patch ... because it's a driver-specific patch to vendor_passthru and, well, like you said .... | 17:23 |
| NobodyCam | I'm ok with landing the VP code as long as it gets updated to the new in a timlly manner | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | nobody can guarantee | 17:23 |
| jroll | I think it will take about the same amount of time to land the VP and the non-VP, so why not point effort at the more general case? | 17:23 |
| devananda | rloo: so, there is a corresponding question for us as core reviewers -- do we hold /vendor_passthru/ to the same level of quality? do our users expect that of us? | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | right and this case in particular being the same author | 17:23 |
| jroll | unless we just approve anything that passes tests, which it is right now | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | I think it makes sense to work on the spec | 17:24 |
| devananda | rloo: if not, then why ignore the patch instead of just rubber stamping it? if so, then, well, we should have a different discussoin | 17:24 |
| rloo | devananda and jroll: in your opinion then, since you've reviewed the patch, do you think it is worth spending core-reviewer time reviewing that, or reviewing the spec/future code? | 17:24 |
| jroll | I'd like to timebox this to 17:30 btw, if devananda is cool with that | 17:24 |
| NobodyCam | TY jroll | 17:24 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ to timeboxing | 17:24 |
| jroll | rloo: I don't think it is worth the time, that's why I brought it up :) | 17:24 |
| Madasi | since they have the same author, we would prefer they spend the dev time on the general spec | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | Madasi, ++ | 17:24 |
| devananda | rloo: if this implementation were not vendor_passthru, it would definitely receive discussion and debate | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | yeah for this case this is fine ^^ | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | devananda, we won't do a good service for a person, if we land a patch that has problems | 17:25 |
| rloo | ok, so i trust jroll's opinion. lets go with the spec then. | 17:25 |
| rloo | i wasn't going to review that patch since there seem to be higher priority patches to review anyway. | 17:25 |
| jroll | rloo: whoa, let's not go that far (trusting my opinion) | 17:25 |
| jroll | :P | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | lol | 17:25 |
| jroll | alright, are we in agreement then? | 17:25 |
| jroll | I can put a note on the patch | 17:26 |
| NobodyCam | do we want a # agreed on htis | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | ++ | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:26 |
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| rloo | jroll: trusting your opinion wrt effort to review? I think it is safe to do that :) | 17:26 |
| jroll | +1 for #agreed | 17:26 |
| devananda | rloo: I have applied a level of review to it that is less than I apply to core changes, but still thinking of "will this work for and provide value to the user?" | 17:26 |
| devananda | jroll: what's the vote? | 17:26 |
| jroll | we can vote instead | 17:26 |
| rloo | devananda: is it a problem for the vendor to add this passthru out-of-tree? | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, if we should block that VP patch and focus on the spec for this particular change | 17:26 |
| jroll | the vote sounds like > 50% | 17:27 |
| rloo | jroll: don't you have to do some sort of # vote thingy? | 17:27 |
| devananda | #vote should we accept a /vendor_passthru/ change for SOFT_OFF, or require this particular functionality be implemented as a common feature first? Yes = "allow v_p" No = "require common code" | 17:27 |
| devananda | #startvote should we accept a /vendor_passthru/ change for SOFT_OFF, or require this particular functionality be implemented as a common feature first? Yes = "allow v_p" No = "require common code" | 17:28 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we accept a /vendor_passthru/ change for SOFT_OFF, or require this particular functionality be implemented as a common feature first? Valid vote options are Yes, allow, v_p, No, require, common, code, . | 17:28 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:28 |
| devananda | #undo | 17:28 |
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| devananda | that didn't work, one sec | 17:28 |
| devananda | #startvote should we accept a /vendor_passthru/ change for SOFT_OFF, or require this particular functionality be implemented as a common feature first? Yes No | 17:28 |
| openstack | Already voting on 'should we accept a /vendor_passthru/ change for SOFT_OFF, or require this particular functionality be implemented as a common feature first' | 17:28 |
| devananda | um.. | 17:28 |
| devananda | #endvote | 17:28 |
| openstack | Voted on "should we accept a /vendor_passthru/ change for SOFT_OFF, or require this particular functionality be implemented as a common feature first?" Results are | 17:28 |
| devananda | #startvote should we accept a /vendor_passthru/ change for SOFT_OFF, or require this particular functionality be implemented as a common feature first? Yes No | 17:28 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we accept a /vendor_passthru/ change for SOFT_OFF, or require this particular functionality be implemented as a common feature first? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 17:28 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:28 |
| jroll | #vote no | 17:28 |
| devananda | yes == "allow vp implementation" | 17:28 |
| devananda | no == "require common change" | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | #vote no | 17:28 |
| rloo | #vote no | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | #vote no | 17:28 |
| Madasi | #vote no | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | #vote no | 17:29 |
| JoshNang | #vote no | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | #vote no | 17:29 |
| BadCub | #vote no | 17:29 |
| * jroll drafts comment | 17:29 | |
| natorious | #vote no | 17:29 |
| thiagop | #vote no | 17:29 |
| jroll | thanks everyone | 17:29 |
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| stendulker | #vote no | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | TY jroll | 17:29 |
| * rloo feels like changing vote just to be different | 17:29 | |
| krotscheck | o/ | 17:29 |
| NobodyCam | lol so hipster rloo | 17:29 |
| * TheJulia seconds this idea that rloo has | 17:29 | |
| devananda | giving it 30 seconds more | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | alright 18:30 | 17:30 |
| Nisha | #vote no | 17:30 |
| devananda | #endvote | 17:30 |
| openstack | Voted on "should we accept a /vendor_passthru/ change for SOFT_OFF, or require this particular functionality be implemented as a common feature first?" Results are | 17:30 |
| openstack | No (13): TheJulia, Madasi, lucasagomes, rloo, BadCub, jroll, stendulker, dtantsur, Nisha, NobodyCam, JoshNang, natorious, thiagop | 17:30 |
| devananda | all righty then | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:30 |
| * jroll updates review | 17:31 | |
| rloo | by the way, even though we voted -- it wasn't on the agenda that we'd discuss this, so it makes me a bit uneasy. | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | good to move on | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | yeah sounded like an open discussion thing | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Let's make a release | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | but alright, at least it sorted | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | jroll thats you. | 17:31 |
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| dtantsur | release \o/ | 17:31 |
| jroll | sorry, I saw it on the subteam thing and had to ask | 17:31 |
| jroll | ok so! | 17:31 |
| jroll | we last released a server version at the end of kilo | 17:32 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: agenda was light today so all is good | 17:32 |
| jroll | it's been a few months, we've landed a bunch of code | 17:32 |
| devananda | rloo: agreed. and that highlights that I (and collectively we all) should get better at putting things on the agenda | 17:32 |
| jroll | I'd like to propose we release a new version of the server this week | 17:32 |
| devananda | rloo: I hope that going back to weekly same-time meetings will help .the lack of continuity has been hard ... | 17:32 |
| jroll | this will involve switching to semver, which appears non-trivial but I may be wrong. | 17:32 |
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| jroll | there's concerns that the addition of enroll will break users | 17:32 |
| rloo | devananda: here's hopin' :) | 17:32 |
| devananda | jroll: the semver switch got embroiled in a debate about packaging and epochs a few weeks ago -- i need to follow up with dhellmann on that | 17:33 |
| devananda | jroll: unless you have updates to share? | 17:33 |
| jroll | however currently, with the current client, the enroll thing is opt-in only, so I'd not like to wait on that discussion for a release. | 17:33 |
| jroll | please discuss :) | 17:33 |
| jroll | devananda: I don't, I need to investigate more | 17:33 |
| devananda | jroll: also, I have been pretty vocal about my concern with the change to default state == ENROLL, and pushing that into the client's responsibility is not acceptable IMO | 17:33 |
| jroll | devananda: folks have released liberty-1 in other projects, so I believe that may be solved. | 17:34 |
| devananda | I failed to catch this during the spec review and apologize for not bringing it up / noticing it sooner | 17:34 |
| jroll | devananda: right, so. I don't believe that is a breaking change. | 17:34 |
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| dtantsur | we also discussed it on the summit... | 17:34 |
| jroll | devananda: it's opt-in right now, it's a small change to any automated systems that depend on that behavior | 17:35 |
| devananda | dtantsur: I don't understand why there'd be any pushback to an opt-in approach as I mentioned on the ML | 17:35 |
| jroll | devananda: if users choose to use that version of the API, they should be aware of the repercussions | 17:35 |
| jroll | this *is* opt-in, by *choosing that API version* | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | I don't want people to opt-out our changes in the state machine | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | jroll, exactly. we have on opt-in already, lets not have more | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | I have thought and discussed about it for a while last week with dtantsur and jroll on IRC | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | IMO in the long run I believe that having the version mandatory would be the best approach | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | for the next reelase I think we should still PIN at a specific version prior to ENROLL | 17:36 |
| rloo | why didn't you guys summarize in that email thread? | 17:36 |
| devananda | it's not opt-in if the client ever changes the version it defaults to | 17:36 |
| jroll | if we're going to spend this time debating if 1.11 breaks users, then let's forget about releasing and take this back to the ML | 17:36 |
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| lucasagomes | but have a warning message to alert about the behavior change | 17:36 |
| jroll | ok | 17:37 |
| jroll | I'm not going to waste this meeting having this conversation for the tenth time | 17:37 |
| rloo | jroll: for the release, there's going to be a corresponding client release, right? | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | devananda, it is our approach to versioning that is broken, not enroll patch.. | 17:37 |
| jroll | let's just move on because we're never going to actually release with this discussion ongoing | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | (me starts his favorite song) | 17:37 |
| jroll | dtantsur: +1 | 17:37 |
| devananda | jroll: agreed - let's move on | 17:37 |
| jroll | or our lack of approach | 17:37 |
| devananda | dtantsur: also agreed | 17:37 |
| NobodyCam | ack | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | yeah alright ML seems better indeed | 17:38 |
| devananda | and midcycle | 17:38 |
| rloo | can we have an action item for jroll + semver? | 17:38 |
| jroll | so | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Open Discussion / Food For Thought | 17:38 |
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| jroll | wait | 17:38 |
| jroll | wait | 17:38 |
| NobodyCam | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193439 | 17:38 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, we can temporary disable 1.11 for the release. but we'll have to solve this problem in the future anyway | 17:38 |
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| jroll | we're going to wait for the midcycle to even consider releasing a thign? | 17:38 |
| jroll | seriosuly? | 17:38 |
| devananda | jroll: not what i meant | 17:38 |
| devananda | jroll: just that the topic of versioning th eAPI is probably something we'll discuss, quite possibly over many drinks, at the midcycle | 17:39 |
| jroll | we tried to change our release model to release faster, now we've found out we don't know wtf versioned APIs mean and so block a release for a month (now) and probably longer | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | so pity I won't be there :D | 17:39 |
| devananda | but I hit enter too soon and then tpic changed | 17:39 |
| NobodyCam | we can change back | 17:39 |
| jroll | it's fine, go ahead | 17:39 |
| jroll | I just wanted to ask / point that out | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | let's try to sort it out on the ML | 17:39 |
| rloo | if we were doing liberty-1, wouldn't we just have done it regardless of the enroll stuff/state now? | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, mind summarizing the ideas today and sending an email? | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | rloo, we would | 17:40 |
| jroll | I will try, yes | 17:40 |
| lucasagomes | we can continue from there, I don't think it should take much time | 17:40 |
| lucasagomes | thanks | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193439 | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | sinval you here | 17:40 |
| sinval_ | yep | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | your up | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:40 |
| * krotscheck is trying to get bethelwell to the midcycle, because webclient things. | 17:41 | |
| sinval_ | so, a port can be created via a POST /v1/ports, with 'node_uuid' and 'address' specified in the body | 17:41 |
| sinval_ | this patch should add the possibility to create ports using node_name if the user wants it | 17:41 |
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| devananda | sinval_: node_name isn't a property of a PORT, however, and shouldn't be | 17:41 |
| sinval_ | hum | 17:42 |
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| lucasagomes | sinval_, so the advatage it brings is that it's easier to script? node-create ... name=blah && port-create -n blah | 17:42 |
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| sinval_ | lucasagomes: yep | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | anything else? | 17:42 |
| devananda | sinval_: the client could easily GET /nodes/<name> to fetch the UUID and use that in the BODY of POST /v1/ports/ | 17:42 |
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| sinval_ | i don't think so | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | cause we still can parse the return value from node create and figure the node uuid | 17:42 |
| jroll | well | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | I see the advantage with the names | 17:43 |
| jroll | so I think 'port-create --node-name blah' should be a thing | 17:43 |
| rloo | what are we discussing? whether to allow the use of node name for port create? | 17:43 |
| jroll | it makes the client a bit nicer | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:43 |
| jroll | and we can get_node_by_name() or whatever on the backend | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | so the thing is node_uuid in the ports is just part of the API object | 17:43 |
| jroll | and set port.node_uuid | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | it's generated from node_id that is part of the RPC object | 17:43 |
| rloo | well, regardless of how we have coded things now, does the idea of using node name make sense or not? | 17:43 |
| sinval_ | yes | 17:43 |
| jroll | or port.node_id, I guess | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | I don't see the problem of having node_name in the ports for the API | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | we could keep both node_uuid and node_name | 17:43 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ah right. so the API tier can detect whether the supplied resource is uuid-like, and if not, try to look up the node by its name | 17:44 |
| NobodyCam | we support names for nodes I kinda feel we should be able to ref that name just like we do uuid everywhere uuid would be used.. imho | 17:44 |
| thiagop | we need to keep them both, or node_name is unique? | 17:44 |
| lucasagomes | if people likes the idea of having a port created using the name | 17:44 |
| devananda | so there's no need to do anything different in the client either | 17:44 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yup | 17:44 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, we can do that, so one could create a port either using the uuid or name | 17:44 |
| thiagop | I'm good with having both of them | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | it won't be saved on the db or anything | 17:45 |
| devananda | rloo: from a user POV, yes -- using a Node name to refer to one or more Ports is helpful | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | so if name changes on the node that's grand | 17:45 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: I like that | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/api/controllers/v1/port.py#L57-L75 | 17:45 |
| rloo | i'm a bit lost then, trying to figure out what we're discussing, need to agree with? | 17:45 |
| sinval_ | on the last patch, Ramakrishnan suggested that we should have two fields in the port object, one that already exists (node_uuid) and a new one (node_name) and both can now be used to create a port | 17:45 |
| devananda | but we shouldn't store the node_name on the Port object, nor return it in the API. and as lucasagomes points out, we don't even need to modify the client or add a new --node-name option | 17:45 |
| rloo | oh, we don't need the port object to save the node name. just the node id. | 17:46 |
| rloo | like devananda said ++ | 17:46 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:46 |
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| devananda | sinval_: so, the Port DB object only stores the node_id (NOT uuid) today | 17:46 |
| Madasi | is node_name unique? | 17:46 |
| NobodyCam | yes | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | Madasi, it's but it can be changed | 17:46 |
| devananda | sinval_: the API tier returns the UUID to the user, since ID is internal only. | 17:46 |
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| lucasagomes | so it's not a canonical id for the resource | 17:46 |
| devananda | sinval_: i do not see any reason for that to be changed | 17:46 |
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| sinval_ | devananda: ok | 17:47 |
| thiagop | if it can be changed, so we have to have the option to use uuid | 17:47 |
| devananda | Madasi: node.name is unique on the nodes table, but it is not used for referential integrity -- the node.id field is the referential key | 17:47 |
| NobodyCam | so did we jsut # agree on lucasagomes idea? | 17:47 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I support it | 17:47 |
| Madasi | devananda: thanks, makes sense | 17:47 |
| jroll | so one thing | 17:47 |
| jroll | I think the problem with passing name there | 17:47 |
| jroll | is the parameter is node_uuid, not node | 17:48 |
| jroll | so node_uuid=my_name is weird | 17:48 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: so update the param to node_id_name? | 17:48 |
| rloo | jroll: didn't we have a similar issue with the node API?, we changed/added 'node' I htink, and still support 'node_uuid'? | 17:48 |
| rloo | jroll: where 'node' can be uuid or name. | 17:48 |
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| sinval_ | in the patch i changed the 'node_uuid' to 'node' | 17:49 |
| thiagop | +1 to rloo 's idea | 17:49 |
| jroll | rloo: indeed, I like that here too | 17:49 |
| devananda | rloo: we changed that internally to simplify code paths | 17:49 |
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| devananda | the REST API for PUT still accepts both "uuid" and "name" fields -- and both are optional | 17:49 |
| devananda | if not supplied, "uuid" is auto generated | 17:49 |
| devananda | that's not the case for Ports, where the REST API requires a node_uuid parameter | 17:50 |
| devananda | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/webapi/v1.html#Port | 17:50 |
| NobodyCam | we have another item I do want to get to | 17:50 |
| * lucasagomes has an item as well | 17:50 | |
| rloo | devananda: yeah, that's for node-create. i was thinking of other node operations, where we had specified uuid before, but can specify uuid or name now. | 17:50 |
| devananda | so jroll is correct about the REST API changes | 17:50 |
| devananda | rloo: right - but the question here is for Port create | 17:50 |
| devananda | let's come back to this on the review so we can move on now | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | ack | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | so then: Scheduling things | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | should we build a filtering API or a scheduler or both? Would be really useful both for nova and standalone installations. | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: thats you again :) | 17:51 |
| jroll | ohai | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204641 | 17:51 |
| devananda | oh ... this is much more than a 9 minute discussion | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194453/ | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | uuu yeah that will take some time | 17:52 |
| devananda | also, I'm very strongly of the opinion that a placement / reservation / proper scheduler implementation inside ironic is absolyutely crazypants | 17:52 |
| NobodyCam | so table to ML or next meeting? | 17:52 |
| jroll | devananda: so every standalone installation should build their own scheduler? | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | I left some suggestion on the spec, didn't catch up with the answers yet | 17:52 |
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| devananda | jroll: ironic should expose enough data to integrate with other schedulers. and in the absence of that, perhaps we integrate with *A* scheduler by default | 17:53 |
| jroll | so what this came from was the nova midcycle | 17:53 |
| devananda | right now that's Nova's scheduler | 17:53 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, if the API offers a very fine grained way to query stuff, maybe the "give me a node with X,Y,Z" could even live in the client? | 17:53 |
| * lucasagomes reads the answer on the spec | 17:53 | |
| jroll | where we basically decided that if we want to be able to have more than one nova-compute, we couldn't use nova's scheduler | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, that would be racy | 17:53 |
| devananda | so yes. if you want a scheduler AND you dont want to use nova's scheduler, then umm... use another one? | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, client already retries | 17:53 |
| jroll | because the failure to have more than one nova-compute comes from nova scheduling a given node | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, it could be part of the set-provision-state active... or we can come up with another command to that | 17:54 |
| jroll | and we want to remove nova scheduling a specific node at all | 17:54 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, it's useless to retry as it is now | 17:54 |
| devananda | jroll: I thought we had solved that in a different way previouswly, so I do not understand where this is coming from | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | *5 (five) minutes left* | 17:55 |
| devananda | jroll: that makes no sense. nova-scheduler's job is to schedule the placement of a request on a resource that meets those needs | 17:55 |
| jroll | devananda: the way we solved it was basically the same, except we scheduled a flavor and let the driver choose a node within that flavor at random | 17:55 |
| devananda | jroll: sure. that's workable | 17:55 |
| devananda | jroll: how did you get from that to "ironic should implement a scheduler" ? | 17:55 |
| jroll | devananda: because a nova-compute per flavor can get pretty crazy pretty quick, and I think this is a better way to do it | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, jroll dtantsur one thing is true for both approaches... we need to make the json fields indexable | 17:56 |
| jroll | devananda: to be clear, this could be "ironic implements a filter api" | 17:56 |
| jroll | and then the driver chooses one at random | 17:56 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:56 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: yes | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, jroll dtantsur could we start on having a spec for that? As an atomic change and then we can go on whether we expose it via API or have a new endpoint for it | 17:56 |
| jroll | but that ends with races, and I think ironic can do smarter things if the scheduling is in the backend | 17:56 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yeah, totally, but I do want to start the conversation about where a scheduler lives | 17:57 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, ++ | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, I would even say we should eventually kill instance_info and properties with fire | 17:57 |
| devananda | jroll: "give me a list of things matching <query>" is very different than "reserve N things for me that match <query>" | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | and have them as properly defined fields | 17:57 |
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| jroll | devananda: it really isn't that different | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | I see the race advantage on having an api endpoint. But I also see an advantage on having the filters on the API so it's more pluggable for other systems | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | for e.g the dashboard can use the filters | 17:57 |
| devananda | jroll: it's completely different from a distributed systems POV | 17:57 |
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| NobodyCam | *2 (two) minutes* | 17:58 |
| devananda | one is access to indexable data | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | (tho ofc both could be implemented, one doesn't block the other) | 17:58 |
| jroll | devananda: right, the latter is less racy, sounds like a win to me | 17:58 |
| devananda | the other is synchronization and cluster management | 17:58 |
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| jroll | mhmmm | 17:58 |
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| jroll | you don't think a distributed system should be managing it's own cluster? | 17:58 |
| devananda | jroll: oh - I'm not saying it's not better -- it's just a different problem space | 17:58 |
| jroll | ok | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | * less then 1 (one) minute * | 17:59 |
| devananda | and I have been keeping Ironic out of that space thus far | 17:59 |
| jroll | anyway, I'd love it if folks started thinking about this | 17:59 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, ++ | 17:59 |
| devananda | in large part because that's what the rest of openstack (ostensibly) did | 17:59 |
| jroll | I'll reduce my spec to just the filter API thing | 17:59 |
| jroll | and we can go from there | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: sounds good TY | 17:59 |
| NobodyCam | and thats time | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, indexable things? | 18:00 |
| dtantsur | jroll, ++ filtering looks pretty uncontroversial (but please include capabilities) | 18:00 |
| dtantsur | :) | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you everyone | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | great meeting | 18:00 |
| devananda | so it is an architectural shift for us (and for openstack) if ironic goes there. worth discussing, certainly | 18:00 |
| devananda | jroll: but yea, filter API is ++ from everyone afaict | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | thanks for the meeting everyone | 18:00 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: thanks for keeping us on time :) | 18:00 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yeah, being able to index things and build an api around it | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 18:00 |
| jroll | thanks everyone | 18:00 |
| jroll | see y'all later | 18:00 |
| sinval_ | thank you guys | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, ++ cool | 18:00 |
| dtantsur | thanks | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | see everyone back in channel | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 27 18:01:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-07-27-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-07-27-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-07-27-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
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