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krotscheck | No storyBoard meeting today for those who are curious. | 15:08 |
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krotscheck | We don't have core quorum. | 15:08 |
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NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 17:00 |
NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 17:00 |
NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 20 17:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 17:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 17:00 |
NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 17:00 |
NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:00 |
devananda | o/ | 17:00 |
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NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 17:00 |
NobodyCam | Roll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 17:00 |
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NobodyCam | howdy all | 17:00 |
jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
rloo | me | 17:00 |
pshige | o/ | 17:00 |
vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
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Nisha | o/ | 17:00 |
Shrews | o/ | 17:00 |
TheJulia | o/ | 17:01 |
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dtantsur | o/ | 17:01 |
NobodyCam | great to see you all :) | 17:01 |
BadCub | hiya folks | 17:01 |
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NobodyCam | looks like one one Announcement | 17:01 |
NobodyCam | Big Thank you to Lucas and Chris Dent for picking up WSME | 17:02 |
NobodyCam | as core members | 17:02 |
NobodyCam | for more info see the link on the agenda | 17:02 |
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jroll | \o | 17:02 |
* BadCub applauds | 17:02 | |
NobodyCam | any other Announcements | 17:03 |
devananda | while its awesome that we can breathe a litlte life into WSME to fix bugs | 17:03 |
JayF | p/ | 17:03 |
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devananda | I'd like us to also begin thinking about moving off of WSME soon, as the project isn't maintained by anyone else, and I dont think there's benefit (long term) in us taking that on | 17:03 |
devananda | something to discuss at the summit, perhaps :) | 17:04 |
NobodyCam | devananda: I think I know where your going I also have a item under open discussion sectiom | 17:04 |
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jroll | cdent being on it means ceilometer will probably continue to work on it no? | 17:04 |
devananda | just noting that here so that the announcement doesn't look like we're taking it on long-term | 17:04 |
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NobodyCam | ahh | 17:05 |
NobodyCam | :) | 17:05 |
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NobodyCam | ok then we can move on to : | 17:06 |
NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: status report | 17:06 |
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NobodyCam | white board seems like only few sections are updated | 17:06 |
NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:06 |
jroll | I don't really expect a ton of updates this week | 17:07 |
rloo | no news is good news :) | 17:07 |
NobodyCam | :) ya .. :) | 17:07 |
* devananda notes that stackforge doesn't have any info for driverlog + ironic + kilo -- http://stackalytics.com/report/driverlog?project_id=openstack%2Fironic | 17:08 | |
pshige | :) | 17:08 |
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NobodyCam | dtantsur: posted bug numbers https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:08 |
rloo | do we want to mention what is kilo-rc-potential material? | 17:08 |
jroll | rloo: +1 | 17:08 |
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devananda | rloo: yes, i was just looking at that. | 17:09 |
jroll | hm, I don't see kilo-rc-potential tag | 17:09 |
devananda | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 17:09 |
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dtantsur | it's not official, so it's not in the list | 17:09 |
rloo | dtantsur: what's not official? | 17:09 |
* devananda adds it to official bug list | 17:09 | |
dtantsur | the tag | 17:09 |
dtantsur | rloo, launchpad has notion of "official" tags for a project | 17:10 |
rloo | dtantsur: oh. guess it'll be official very soon. thx ;) | 17:10 |
NobodyCam | so currentlly only one open bug | 17:10 |
jroll | well | 17:10 |
jroll | the "fix committed" bug still has the kilo backport patch open | 17:10 |
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jroll | ttx has a -2 on it, I guess the RC window isn't open yet or something? | 17:10 |
NobodyCam | ahh | 17:11 |
jroll | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174122/ fwiw | 17:11 |
rloo | so if someone thinks/wants something to go to kilo, they tag it, and we approve (or not) the patch, and then ttx has final approval? | 17:11 |
devananda | correct -- the rc2 window isn't open yet | 17:11 |
NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174122 | 17:11 |
devananda | process is outlined on the wiki page for stable branches, though it was just changed slightly last week (see emails from dhellmann and ttx) | 17:11 |
jroll | JoshNang: do we have a server patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1441445 ? | 17:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1441445 in Ironic "As per the state machine, ironic doesn't provide an option to move from CLEANFAIL to CLEAN" [High,Triaged] | 17:12 |
jroll | or am I thinking of a rescue mode thing | 17:12 |
devananda | tldr; file bug, tag with kilo-rc-potential (or kilo-backport-potential after the release), propose fix to master. fix must be merged in master. cherry-pick -x the commit back to stable/kilo and propose that. | 17:12 |
JoshNang | jroll: that was rescue | 17:12 |
jroll | k | 17:12 |
rloo | the wiki page for stable branches: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch | 17:13 |
devananda | then ttx and I decide if and when to merge it, based on release cycle, severity of bug, risk of the change, etc | 17:13 |
NobodyCam | # link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch | 17:13 |
rloo | thx devananda | 17:13 |
devananda | note that we also have a stable branch for the client now, too | 17:13 |
rloo | devananda: oh yeah. the client. was that branch cut on a package release? | 17:14 |
devananda | iow, we need to follow the same process there, which it looks like dtantsur has done for the retry patch | 17:14 |
devananda | rloo: yes | 17:14 |
devananda | 0.5.x will be consisered stable/kilo series, and 0.6.x (not yet tagged) is what we'll develop on going forward | 17:14 |
dtantsur | why not starting giving client names like "Kilo" and versions like 2014.1? :) | 17:15 |
dtantsur | looks like they follow usual openstack process now | 17:15 |
devananda | well, not exactly | 17:15 |
devananda | we can still tag clients any time | 17:15 |
dtantsur | right | 17:16 |
devananda | there seem to be some more changes happening around this stable branches of libraries and clients thing | 17:16 |
devananda | like not having a proposed/kilo branch any more | 17:16 |
devananda | anyway, we've got 2 bugs right now tagged for backport potential | 17:17 |
devananda | any others that folks want to bring up? | 17:17 |
NobodyCam | devananda: is there info we can review on the changes forthcomming? | 17:17 |
devananda | NobodyCam: aside from reading the mailing list, not that I know of. | 17:17 |
NobodyCam | ack :) | 17:18 |
devananda | i'm still digesting it, which is partly why I haven't done an announce of how it affects us yet | 17:18 |
NobodyCam | oh we should prob change the topic | 17:18 |
NobodyCam | #topic Open Discussion | 17:18 |
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NobodyCam | as that is the only place we have items on the agenda | 17:19 |
NobodyCam | devananda: :) ahh Thank you | 17:19 |
NobodyCam | rloo: your up 1st with utf-8 encoding | 17:20 |
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rloo | so this bug/patch has been around for awhile. I'm into 'spring-cleaning' mode. wanted to 'get rid of it'. | 17:20 |
rloo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1325193 | 17:20 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1325193 in python-ironicclient "Some Python files do not specify the file encoding" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Martin Geisler (mgeisler) | 17:20 |
rloo | patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97027/ | 17:20 |
rloo | the patch basically adds a utf-8 coding line to every file. | 17:21 |
rloo | I discussed it briefly with lucas, and he would like that line added, because it will help eg Asian folks. | 17:21 |
rloo | Anyone against adding it? | 17:22 |
jlvillal | rloo: Why doesn't it use: # coding=utf-8 ? | 17:22 |
dtantsur | why should it? :) | 17:23 |
jlvillal | rloo: But no opposition here | 17:23 |
jroll | I have no issues | 17:23 |
jlvillal | dtantsur: Well it is using the emacs version ;) | 17:23 |
dtantsur | IIRC this form was chosen as both Emacs and Vim understand it | 17:23 |
rloo | jlvillal: that's what it is proposing, to add coding: utf-8.? | 17:23 |
pshige | no opposition | 17:23 |
rloo | jlvillal: oh, that's what you meant. guess dtantsur answered :) | 17:24 |
jlvillal | dtantsur: If it works for both, it works for me :) | 17:24 |
rloo | ok, so can we do some #agree thingy saying it is OK, and I'll get in touch with Martin to see if he wants to finish it. | 17:24 |
devananda | rloo: my only opposition to this is that it's adding cruft that humans shouldn't have to maintain.. we're going to add files and forget to add this header to them | 17:25 |
devananda | rloo: it should be an editor setting, not a hint in every single file | 17:25 |
dtantsur | the opposite is valid too: people will add files with this line :) | 17:25 |
rloo | devananda: just like the other cruft we have. I'm fine not putting it in either. We already have some files with it. | 17:25 |
NobodyCam | can we add a hacking check for it? | 17:25 |
devananda | look at other projects -- I do not see this in every single file in nova, swift, keystone, .. | 17:25 |
NobodyCam | just enforce its there? | 17:25 |
rloo | I think there are lots of other things we should be spending time on deciding. I just wanted to 'do something' and be done with it. Note that the client files have it. (or had it; maybe some new ones don't now!) | 17:26 |
devananda | I understand the reason: some developers don't have their project (or their editor) configured in the same way that I do | 17:27 |
dtantsur | I agree that it should be done via hacking, whichever way we prefer | 17:27 |
devananda | but those developers are asking the project to assume responsibility to tell their editor what to do | 17:27 |
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devananda | and i don't think it's the project's responsibility to carry the hint in every single file | 17:27 |
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JayF | devananda: +1 I agree | 17:27 |
devananda | and then add a hacking rule to reject code that doesnt include a # -*- coding: utf8 -*- line | 17:27 |
pshige | devananda: +1 | 17:27 |
jlvillal | I think it is only needed if there is non-ASCII code in the file. From my reading. Which should then fail the gate, which would be a hint to add it. | 17:27 |
jroll | isn't this also a signal to python? | 17:27 |
jlvillal | jroll: Yes | 17:28 |
jroll | to parse the file as utf-8, not ascii | 17:28 |
jroll | right, ok | 17:28 |
jlvillal | https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0263/ | 17:28 |
devananda | right. so if we HAVE non-ascii chars in a file, we should clearly add this hint for python | 17:28 |
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devananda | but i still object to seeing it in every single file | 17:29 |
rloo | Martin's choice " c) Remove the lines where they aren't strictly needed (Python requires the line if the file has non-ASCII characters)." | 17:29 |
devananda | so, let's vote | 17:29 |
NobodyCam | so I take this as add to a file if its needed | 17:29 |
rloo | but I don't think we want to enforce that *only* the files that need it, should have it. | 17:29 |
jlvillal | NobodyCam: I think if a file needs it, it should already be there. | 17:29 |
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dtantsur | tbh I'm not sure we should have files with non-ASCII | 17:30 |
devananda | ugh. /me llooks up how to run a vote | 17:30 |
natorious | python 3 defaults to utf-8 too | 17:31 |
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devananda | #startvote should ironic require all files to have an encoding hint? Yes, No, Only, Abstain | 17:31 |
openstack | Begin voting on: should ironic require all files to have an encoding hint? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Only, Abstain. | 17:31 |
openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:31 |
devananda | "only" = only when needed by python | 17:31 |
devananda | well. that's redundant. | 17:31 |
devananda | #undo | 17:31 |
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devananda | #startvote should ironic require all files to have an encoding hint? Yes, No, Abstain | 17:31 |
openstack | Already voting on 'should ironic require all files to have an encoding hint' | 17:31 |
devananda | bah | 17:32 |
* rloo thinks we don't vote enough ;) | 17:32 | |
devananda | #endvote | 17:32 |
openstack | Voted on "should ironic require all files to have an encoding hint?" Results are | 17:32 |
devananda | #startvote should ironic require all files to have an encoding hint? Yes, No, Abstain | 17:32 |
openstack | Begin voting on: should ironic require all files to have an encoding hint? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 17:32 |
openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:32 |
dtantsur | looks like #undo worked for the last link | 17:32 |
devananda | dtantsur: yea :( | 17:32 |
devananda | #vote no | 17:32 |
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TheJulia | #vote no | 17:32 |
dtantsur | #vote No | 17:32 |
BadCub | #vote no | 17:32 |
rloo | #vote yes (on lucas' behalf) | 17:32 |
openstack | rloo: yes (on lucas' behalf) is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Abstain. | 17:32 |
dtantsur | lol | 17:33 |
rloo | #vote yes | 17:33 |
NobodyCam | #vote no | 17:33 |
jlvillal | #vote no | 17:33 |
Shrews | #vote no | 17:33 |
pshige | #vote no | 17:33 |
natorious | #vote no | 17:33 |
JayF | #vote no | 17:33 |
JoshNang | #vote no | 17:33 |
devananda | will give it another 30 seconds | 17:34 |
jroll | #vote abstain | 17:34 |
vdrok | #vote no | 17:34 |
NobodyCam | I do under stand lucas' point, but agree with devananda it should n't required for every file | 17:34 |
Shrews | the change needs a better story, IMO | 17:34 |
devananda | #endvote | 17:34 |
openstack | Voted on "should ironic require all files to have an encoding hint?" Results are | 17:34 |
openstack | Yes (1): rloo | 17:34 |
openstack | Abstain (1): jroll | 17:34 |
openstack | No (12): TheJulia, NobodyCam, pshige, jlvillal, BadCub, devananda, JayF, JoshNang, dtantsur, Shrews, natorious, vdrok | 17:34 |
rloo | sweet. thx everyone! | 17:35 |
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NobodyCam | the no's have it | 17:35 |
devananda | rloo: cheers. there you go :) | 17:35 |
NobodyCam | ok to move on. | 17:35 |
devananda | I'd like to take a little collective time to look at the ideas we've got for the summit | 17:35 |
NobodyCam | :) | 17:36 |
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pshige | devananda: +1 | 17:36 |
devananda | we have about 3 weeks to organize them, which'll go pretty fast | 17:36 |
jroll | before we move on, dare I ask if we should remove the encoding hints from ironicclient now? | 17:36 |
NobodyCam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-ironic-design-summit-ideas | 17:36 |
devananda | jroll: heh. I'd +2 that patch, fwiw | 17:36 |
jroll | :) | 17:37 |
devananda | but also don't care /that/ much | 17:37 |
NobodyCam | ++ | 17:37 |
rloo | jroll: being a consistency freak, I'll remove them :) | 17:38 |
jroll | heh, thanks rloo :) | 17:38 |
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devananda | we've got 3 types of sessions, so I think i'll start (after the meeting) reorganizing this 'pad based on that | 17:38 |
NobodyCam | lots of good topics on the etherpad | 17:39 |
rloo | devananda: do/should we have a deadline for taking suggestions? | 17:39 |
devananda | 2 big room slots, which is more a place to gather feedback from the community | 17:39 |
devananda | several fishbowl / small room things to sort stuff out ourselves | 17:39 |
devananda | and then a full day friday to do what ever we need to | 17:39 |
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devananda | also, if anyone is proposing sessions with other service teams,w e should cross-link from this pad | 17:40 |
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NobodyCam | devananda: do have sessions inmind for the larger "big room " slots | 17:41 |
devananda | rloo: it'd help me out if all the suggestions are in by May 7 at the latest | 17:41 |
NobodyCam | I'd love to bring up third party testing requirments in fromt of a large group but I also it it easly going sideways | 17:42 |
rloo | devananda: so after you reorg the etherpad, maybe add a section/area for new suggestions? | 17:42 |
NobodyCam | s/it it/see it/ | 17:42 |
devananda | NobodyCam: yah. I think 3rd party CI is a thing we need to start being more explicit about, but I dont think a whole session on that is going to produce anything | 17:42 |
devananda | rloo: ++ | 17:43 |
NobodyCam | devananda: ya | 17:43 |
devananda | things that might need a big room, on my mind ... | 17:43 |
devananda | - networking stuff | 17:44 |
rloo | is there an operator's track where we might get feedback for ironic. last summit, I don't recall much feedback at all. | 17:44 |
devananda | - general ops feedback | 17:44 |
NobodyCam | would love smaller group session on : Driver composition matrix | 17:44 |
devananda | rloo: there is an ops track. we should propose sessions there | 17:44 |
devananda | NobodyCam: +1 for small group session for the driver matrix | 17:44 |
devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Planning | 17:46 |
devananda | all the projects' etherpads for proposing things are there ^ | 17:46 |
NobodyCam | any reason to cover any of the micro version stuff in the big rooms? (i thinking no but want to hear others thoughts) | 17:46 |
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rloo | NobodyCam: don't think so, but we might want to discuss 'finishing' it, maybe on Friday? | 17:47 |
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rloo | NobodyCam: and/or talk to Nova folks to see how it is working for them :) | 17:47 |
devananda | I think we need to have two conversations with nova this cycle | 17:47 |
rloo | NobodyCam: unless one of the big room sessions is to discuss what is new in kilo. | 17:48 |
devananda | one around how they will continue handling federated / clustered hypervisors | 17:48 |
devananda | another for the networking issues around assuming that we have only one network per port | 17:48 |
devananda | does anyone want to take the lead on either of those? | 17:48 |
NobodyCam | devananda: maybe also some chatting on the topic of testing? | 17:49 |
jroll | I definitely do not want the lead on the former :P | 17:49 |
jroll | I could take the latter if necessary, though I'm not sure the best way to fix it | 17:49 |
* rloo guesses that non-ironic folks will be asking about federated/clustered hypervisors | 17:49 | |
devananda | NobodyCam: keeping everyone on the same page about testing is good. maybe a slot in our meetup on friday? | 17:50 |
NobodyCam | oh ++ | 17:50 |
devananda | rloo: nova folks are, by and large, quite familiar with the problem space by now | 17:50 |
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devananda | rloo: they seem to differ in how they want to address it, though | 17:50 |
devananda | jroll: if you can, that'd be great | 17:50 |
rloo | devananda: yeah, so they need to go into a small room and duke it out :) | 17:50 |
jroll | so really this is about getting them all in a room and making them figure it out :P | 17:50 |
devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-neutron-summit-topics | 17:51 |
jroll | devananda: I guess what does 'take the lead' entail here? I'm not sure I want to run that session, but I can try to make sure it happens | 17:51 |
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devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 17:51 |
NobodyCam | * fyi Nine minutes * | 17:51 |
devananda | jroll: where 'them' includes some of us | 17:51 |
jroll | right | 17:51 |
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rloo | is it on purpose that people put suggestions in etherpad w/o their names? | 17:53 |
devananda | rloo: harder to read with names every 20 chars? | 17:53 |
devananda | rloo: but seriously, if someone wants to run a session, they should put their name up, otherwise I'm going to run them all :P | 17:54 |
rloo | devananda: sometimes I wonder/want more details, can't ping someone if you don't know who they are. | 17:54 |
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* rloo is fine with devananda running all the sessions :) | 17:54 | |
JayF | devananda: Here's the question: Do you want the person running the session to have an opinion on it? | 17:55 |
devananda | honestly, rather than proposals by a single person // pushing a single new feature, we should really be discussing things that most (if not all) of us are already familiar with | 17:55 |
NobodyCam | rloo: if users set their name the solor will tell you who it was | 17:55 |
JayF | devananda: I'd think an 'impartial moderator' could be more interesting in some of these formats | 17:55 |
devananda | feature proposals should be going through the spec process | 17:55 |
devananda | JayF: I'm hardly impartial, but I am happy to moderate :) | 17:56 |
NobodyCam | s/solor/color/ | 17:56 |
rloo | devananda: but eg the state machine stuff got somewhat hashed out at the last summit. | 17:56 |
devananda | rloo: right. that's a great example of the sort of high bandwodth collaboration I'd like to see more of htis time | 17:56 |
rloo | devananda: although I guess it was something that more than one person was interested in. | 17:56 |
JayF | devananda: well I'm saying generally I'm willing to take that role in sessions as needed; | 17:57 |
devananda | JayF: awesome, thanks. | 17:57 |
* rloo wonders when JayF has ever been impartial, but am happy to have JayF do it too :-) | 17:57 | |
NobodyCam | lol | 17:57 |
JayF | rloo: I usually only talk when I have an opinion on things :) | 17:58 |
NobodyCam | * Two Minutes Left * | 17:58 |
JayF | rloo: something like functional testing ... my only opinion is that we do it :D | 17:58 |
rloo | JayF: opinions are good ;) | 17:58 |
rloo | by the way, I did want to mention/confirm. we are NOT supporting nova baremetal migration outside of juno, right? | 17:59 |
devananda | rloo: correct | 17:59 |
devananda | that code was dropped from nova already anyway | 17:59 |
rloo | devananda: right, but we forgot to drop the migration code from ironic/kilo. | 17:59 |
devananda | and we're not supporting a migration that skips a release at this time | 17:59 |
devananda | rloo: ugh | 17:59 |
rloo | devananda: i have a patch for L*, you want that backported to kilo? | 18:00 |
NobodyCam | * beep * thats time | 18:00 |
devananda | rloo: wait that's right. it should be in kilo, not in liberty | 18:00 |
devananda | anyway, thanks all | 18:00 |
devananda | i'll clean up this pad before next week | 18:00 |
NobodyCam | thank you all | 18:00 |
dtantsur | thanks | 18:00 |
devananda | hopefully some of you want to help add more things :) | 18:00 |
devananda | cheers! | 18:00 |
pshige | thanks | 18:00 |
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NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 20 18:00:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-04-20-17.00.html | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-04-20-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
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