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SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 13:57 |
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elmiko | hey | 13:57 |
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Nikolay_St | o/ | 13:58 |
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SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 13:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 9 13:59:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 13:59 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 13:59 |
SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 13:59 |
SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 13:59 |
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tosky | hi | 13:59 |
alazarev | o/ | 13:59 |
SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 13:59 |
NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 13:59 |
sreshetn2 | o/ | 14:00 |
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NikitaKonovalov | since horizon is in Feature freeze state I have no update here | 14:00 |
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crobertsrh | waiting on a fix (top of the list) | 14:00 |
huichun | hi | 14:00 |
egafford1 | Hello | 14:00 |
crobertsrh | it will fix spark jobs via the UI | 14:00 |
SergeyLukjanov | yeah, got it | 14:01 |
SergeyLukjanov | does the corrseponding bug in horizon targeted to rcX& | 14:01 |
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SergeyLukjanov | does the corrseponding bug in horizon targeted to rcX? | 14:01 |
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weiting | hi | 14:03 |
NikitaKonovalov | crobertsrh: if it is not targeted, there is no chance to get reviews | 14:03 |
alazarev | it looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142950/ will not be in Kilo, patch available from Dec :( | 14:03 |
SergeyLukjanov | heh... | 14:03 |
crobertsrh | I'll get it on their radar | 14:03 |
NikitaKonovalov | The change is small though it should be accepted fast | 14:03 |
NikitaKonovalov | alazarev: the same thing | 14:04 |
SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, thx | 14:04 |
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tosky | and it's a bug fix, so it could still be accepted (if not for .0, at least for .1) | 14:04 |
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SergeyLukjanov | tosky, yup, I think so | 14:04 |
SergeyLukjanov | anything else on this topic? | 14:05 |
NikitaKonovalov | nothing from me | 14:05 |
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SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:06 |
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SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 14:06 |
huichun | hi Seygey, so I have sent the FFE email for horizon patch, what else should I do? | 14:06 |
elmiko | mainly been working on doc updates this week, i'm going to look into a bug that i've found with data source/job binary download through the /data endpoints. | 14:07 |
sreshetn2 | i've added minor patches in saharaclient | 14:07 |
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huichun | i am working a bug on job delete issue | 14:08 |
tosky | sahara CLI tests are in python-saharaclient (from tempest) and gating | 14:08 |
Nikolay_St | working on the docs update and also add hacking checks for logs | 14:09 |
pino|work | working on sahara elements, sorry again for the small hiccup with missing wget/tar | 14:10 |
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crobertsrh | I've mostly been doc reading/testing. Found a couple of bugs, just one significant bug so far though, which I mentioned earlier. | 14:10 |
huichun | hi Pino I have sent your email for some help on Sahara elements | 14:12 |
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pino|work | huichun: replied already ;) | 14:12 |
SergeyLukjanov | tosky, cool | 14:12 |
kchen | I am working on adding versionedobject. And I added an item in liberty proposed session etherpad about it. | 14:12 |
SergeyLukjanov | huichun, I think it's anyway too late | 14:12 |
huichun | Thx Pino^_^ | 14:12 |
SergeyLukjanov | huichun, for FFE | 14:12 |
SergeyLukjanov | all project already has rc1 I think | 14:13 |
kchen | I plan to write a sample patch for some simple objects, like nodegroup-template, as the first step. | 14:13 |
SergeyLukjanov | now only critical bugfixes could be merged | 14:13 |
SergeyLukjanov | slightly switching to | 14:14 |
SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:14 |
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kchen | Hi Sergey, when will the master be changed to Liberty? | 14:14 |
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huichun | Thx Sergey | 14:14 |
SergeyLukjanov | kchen, it's already Liberty :) | 14:14 |
SergeyLukjanov | #info RC1 released, master is now opened for Liberty | 14:14 |
kchen | ok | 14:15 |
SergeyLukjanov | folks, please, keep writing ideas for summit and liberty release time frame | 14:15 |
SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-proposed-sessions | 14:15 |
pino|work | no stable/kilo branches yet? | 14:15 |
pino|work | also, i'd like to propose adding more non-voting jobs to the jenkins jobs for sahara-image-elements | 14:18 |
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SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, there is a proposed/kilo branches for upcoming rcX | 14:18 |
pino|work | i.e., to generate also the other types of images, like spark, storm, hdp, and cloudera | 14:18 |
egafford1 | pino|work: +1. Having more history to judge persistent failure would be great, and while those jobs are time-consuming, they're not very resource intensive. | 14:19 |
kchen | All, I added an item in liberty proposed session etherpad about integrating versionedobject into Sahara. I will put some detail info in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-versionedobject later. | 14:21 |
elmiko | nice | 14:21 |
weiting | Can Sahara Kilo support to back port into Juno OpenStack environment? | 14:21 |
pino|work | so far i have http://paste.openstack.org/show/201308/ for project-config.git, but i'd like anybody with experience with yaml zuul jobs to check that out | 14:21 |
SergeyLukjanov | weiting, we have Sahara master working ok on the Juno OpenStack | 14:22 |
weiting | Some customers they are using OpenStack Juno, but would like to use Sahara Kilo's feature | 14:22 |
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kchen | Sergey, is the Juno Horizon working well with Sahara Kilo? | 14:23 |
SergeyLukjanov | kchen, you run Horizon from master as well I think | 14:23 |
SergeyLukjanov | kchen, if don't need Sahara related features introduced in Kilo in Horizon than you could use the old Horizon | 14:24 |
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tosky | isn't there the problem with endpoints and data_processing vs data-processing? | 14:26 |
tosky | (if you want to use a different version of horizon) | 14:26 |
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alazarev | tosky, you can always configure that | 14:27 |
tosky | right too | 14:27 |
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elmiko | maybe the update template stuff would be missing | 14:28 |
elmiko | ? | 14:28 |
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SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I think it's still not merged into Horizon :( | 14:29 |
elmiko | lol, oh well | 14:29 |
crobertsrh | :( | 14:29 |
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crobertsrh | I have seen no movement on that FFE either | 14:30 |
egafford1 | :( indeed crobertsrh. Yeah, the FFEs for Horizon seem not to have gone anywhere. | 14:30 |
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egafford1 | SergeyLukjanov, sreshetnyak, alazarev: Any known problems for 2014.2.3? All seems to be well on that front, just wondering if others have seen issues. | 14:37 |
kchen | it will comes from proposed/kilo? | 14:37 |
alazarev | egafford1, not from my side | 14:37 |
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SergeyLukjanov | egafford1, I think it works nice | 14:38 |
egafford1 | SergeyLukjanov: Me too, happily. | 14:38 |
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SergeyLukjanov | anything else to chat about? | 14:40 |
elmiko | nothing from me | 14:40 |
kchen | nothing from me | 14:40 |
pino|work | SergeyLukjanov: any idea regarding my sahara ci addition proposal? | 14:40 |
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SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, I've not seen it yet | 14:43 |
SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, sorry | 14:44 |
pino|work | SergeyLukjanov: see above, ~20m ago | 14:44 |
egafford1 | SergeyLukjanov: I think he was referring to adding non-voting jobs for sahara-image-elements (to generate each image type.) | 14:44 |
SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, oh, I got it | 14:44 |
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pino|work | egafford1: y | 14:44 |
SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, I think it's possible, let me think about it :) | 14:45 |
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pino|work | SergeyLukjanov: this would be just for the image generating jobs, not any actual functional test (so far) | 14:46 |
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SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, I think we can do it after the kilo release | 14:49 |
SergeyLukjanov | (in a dew weeks) | 14:49 |
pino|work | SergeyLukjanov: why not even right now? | 14:50 |
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pino|work | the configuration i'd propose has the additional jobs as always non-voting | 14:50 |
SergeyLukjanov | if you'd like - you could propose changes | 14:51 |
pino|work | while the current vanilla jobs are voting on non-master branches | 14:51 |
SergeyLukjanov | and send me links - I'll review and +2 | 14:51 |
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pino|work | yeah, but since i don't have much experience with the yaml zuul configuration, i'd like somebody who did the current sahara jobs to give a second hand before sending | 14:52 |
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SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, I can do it but I have no time right now - I will have some for sure in a release time | 14:53 |
SergeyLukjanov | now I prefer to focus on release itself ;) | 14:53 |
pino|work | ok | 14:53 |
SergeyLukjanov | I will try to find some time soon | 14:54 |
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SergeyLukjanov | 5 mins left | 14:55 |
pino|work | ok, thank you, SergeyLukjanov | 14:55 |
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crobertsrh | Nothing from me | 14:57 |
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SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 9 14:57:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-04-09-13.59.html | 14:57 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-04-09-13.59.txt | 14:57 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-04-09-13.59.log.html | 14:57 |
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elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov ! | 14:57 |
SergeyLukjanov | thanks folks! | 14:57 |
Nikolay_St | bye | 14:57 |
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kchen | bye | 14:57 |
esikachev | bye | 14:57 |
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weiting | bye | 14:58 |
huichun_ | bye | 14:58 |
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pino|work | bye | 14:58 |
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elmiko | any api-wg folks here? | 16:06 |
dtroyer | I came late-ish... | 16:07 |
elmiko | cdent and i were just talking about if we are having a meeting today | 16:07 |
elmiko | i don't see etoews though | 16:07 |
* ryansb | 16:07 | |
cdent | I reckon skip | 16:08 |
ryansb | +1 | 16:08 |
ryansb | no agenda to speak of | 16:08 |
elmiko | that's easy enough =) | 16:08 |
cdent | \o/ | 16:08 |
elmiko | if anyone wants a nice review, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169415/ <shameless plug> | 16:08 |
ryansb | noted, elmiko | 16:10 |
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SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: igordcard ivar-lazzaro banix yamahata nbouthors Yi_: hi | 18:00 |
ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:00 |
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mageshgv | hi | 18:00 |
banix | hi | 18:00 |
yamahata | hello | 18:00 |
igordcard | hello | 18:00 |
SumitNaiksatam | yapeng: hi | 18:00 |
yapeng | hello | 18:00 |
SumitNaiksatam | waiting for rkukura | 18:00 |
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rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
SumitNaiksatam | ah there he is, rkukura: hi | 18:00 |
SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 9 18:00:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
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SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#April_9th.2C_2015 | 18:01 |
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Yi_ | hi | 18:01 |
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SumitNaiksatam | starting with the standing items | 18:02 |
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SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:02 |
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SumitNaiksatam | we fixed one of the two critical bugs | 18:02 |
SumitNaiksatam | (waiting for backport on https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1432779 to merge) | 18:03 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1432779 in Group Based Policy "redirect actions don't work with external policies" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ivar Lazzaro (mmaleckk) | 18:03 |
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SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i believe you have a suggestion on doing an upgrade for: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170972/ | 18:04 |
SumitNaiksatam | upgrade in the DB migration | 18:04 |
rkukura | yes, we really need to start doing proper DB migrations on both the master and stable branches | 18:04 |
rkukura | normally these wouldn’t be allowed on the stable branch, but as long as we can keep the master and stable branches equivalent, I think we’ll be able to get away with it | 18:05 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so in this case your suggestion is to explicitly drop the foreign key constraint? | 18:05 |
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SumitNaiksatam | in a separate migration script | 18:06 |
rkukura | since we are not trying to support trunk-chasers on master, I think it would be OK to insert migrations that will be back-ported before those that won’t on master | 18:06 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:06 |
rkukura | I was trying to track down an example of a migration script that uses alembic introspection to remove existing unnamed constraints | 18:07 |
rkukura | but got interrupted | 18:07 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: was just asking that | 18:07 |
rkukura | I’ll add the link to the review when I find it | 18:07 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok thanks | 18:07 |
SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: does that sound reasonable? | 18:07 |
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ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: SumitNaiksatam: I think we should remove unnamed constraints with brute force in both master and juno if we realistically can | 18:08 |
rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: why? | 18:08 |
ivar-lazzaro | of course it's a no go if we are planning on supporting backward compatibility | 18:08 |
ivar-lazzaro | because unnamed constraints are DB specific | 18:08 |
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ivar-lazzaro | and they are harder to remove with proper migration afterwards | 18:08 |
rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: there is a reasonable db-indepent way to deal with them in migrations | 18:09 |
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ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: I think Magesh had proposed one some time ago in a patch, but then we decided to just remove the constraint from the original migration script | 18:09 |
rkukura | My belief is we cannot ever modify existing migrations - we need to start doing proper migrations, so we’d need new migrations to remove names from the old ones | 18:10 |
ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: so if we are going that way lets make sure we fix that too, or the compatibility will be broken regardless | 18:10 |
rkukura | now that there can be users of packages out there, we cannot have deployments break when someone does a “yum update” | 18:10 |
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SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: on that particular one we can perhaps take a pass since we didnt hear back from anyone ;-) | 18:11 |
rkukura | we haven’t updated any packages yet | 18:11 |
ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: I agree in general, I was just making the consideration based on our claim based on whether we want to support Juno backward compatibility or not | 18:11 |
ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: if so, then your solution is probably the one that makes more sense | 18:12 |
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ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah but that's something we may need to revert if we decide on doing proper migrations | 18:12 |
rkukura | I’m OK with adding features on stable/juno if needed, and adding DB migrations, but we need to make sure we don’t break deployments that update | 18:12 |
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SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: agree | 18:12 |
rkukura | So we are not promising strict backward compatibility | 18:12 |
SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: agreed we can correct that as well, we consider it necessary | 18:13 |
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SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: we have to see the time line as to when we generated the packages and if that fix went in before or after that | 18:13 |
rkukura | also, reordering migrations, if needed, is a lot easier now that we don’t need to support downgrades | 18:13 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:14 |
SumitNaiksatam | the other critical bug is regarding kilo sync | 18:14 |
SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1433530 | 18:14 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1433530 in Group Based Policy "GBP Kilo release should be in sync with Neutron Kilo" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Magesh GV (magesh-gv) | 18:14 |
SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/165377 | 18:14 |
SumitNaiksatam | i know magesh has been hard at work on this | 18:14 |
ivar-lazzaro | OK, if there's a db independent way of dealing with unnamed constraints I'm all for it then | 18:14 |
SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: you want to provide an update? | 18:15 |
mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: The code changes are complete and UTs and devstack work fine now | 18:16 |
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mageshgv | The only issue open now is with the experimental gate job | 18:16 |
SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yeah | 18:16 |
SumitNaiksatam | we are seeing this” /opt/stack/new/group-based-policy/gbpservice/tests/contrib/post_test_hook.sh: line 14: .tox/dsvm-functional/bin/subunit-1to2: No such file or directory" | 18:16 |
rkukura | ivar-lazzaro: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116122/23/neutron/db/migration/alembic_migrations/versions/2d2a8a565438_hierarchical_binding.py | 18:17 |
SumitNaiksatam | and we are able to reproduce this in our local environments | 18:17 |
mageshgv | #link http://logs.openstack.org/77/165377/20/experimental/check-group-based-policy-dsvm-functional/386cfc4/console.html | 18:17 |
ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: thx! | 18:17 |
SumitNaiksatam | the expectation is that python-subunit should install the subunit-1to2 binary | 18:18 |
SumitNaiksatam | however its not there | 18:18 |
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SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: any more insight after we last chatted? | 18:18 |
mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Unfortunately I couldnt get any clue after this | 18:19 |
SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay | 18:19 |
SumitNaiksatam | if anyone else has ideas please let us know, at this point we seem to have a bit of a wall on this one | 18:19 |
SumitNaiksatam | the same job used to work fine earlier | 18:20 |
SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that we need to discuss? | 18:20 |
SumitNaiksatam | #topic Functional/integration tests | 18:21 |
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SumitNaiksatam | not much update here from me | 18:21 |
SumitNaiksatam | i was trying to adapt jishnu’s package as functional tests in our repo | 18:22 |
SumitNaiksatam | however, its quite a bit of changes, so i am working on that, but currently its on the back burner | 18:22 |
SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging Update | 18:22 |
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SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything to discuss? | 18:23 |
rkukura | Updating the fedora packages to the latest stable/juno release is still on my list | 18:23 |
rkukura | At this point, should I wait for a new stable release? | 18:23 |
rkukura | Also, I haven’t checked if there are any problematic DB schema changes in the most recent stable release - if there are, we may need to add proper migrations | 18:24 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think, backport to stable is a separate agenda item, lets make a call on that during that discussion | 18:25 |
rkukura | ok | 18:25 |
SumitNaiksatam | may be lets just discuss that right now :-) | 18:25 |
SumitNaiksatam | #topic Backport changes to stable branch | 18:25 |
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SumitNaiksatam | we had a bit of this discussion already | 18:25 |
SumitNaiksatam | but there is a biggere requirement now | 18:26 |
SumitNaiksatam | there is are users who want are deploying Juno but want to use some of the GBP kilo features | 18:26 |
SumitNaiksatam | so the proposal on the table is to backport changes we are making in kilo back to stable/juno beyond just the critical bug fixes | 18:27 |
SumitNaiksatam | thoughts? | 18:27 |
SumitNaiksatam | we will obviously not backport the kilo sync related functionality | 18:28 |
rkukura | So normally, API changes, config changes, and DB schema changes are not back-ported to OpenStack stable branches, but I’m OK with relaxing this since our goal at this point is to get this out there an iterate | 18:28 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, agree | 18:28 |
SumitNaiksatam | are there any concerns or objections from anyone else in the team on this? | 18:29 |
rkukura | If we decide to do this, we need to make sure users of juno fedora, RDO, ubuntu, whatever packages don’t become too annoyed | 18:30 |
rkukura | I think adding features or even changing features would be acceptable for early adopters, but we need to avoid blatently breaking deployments | 18:30 |
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SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: agree | 18:30 |
SumitNaiksatam | and by avoid breaking, you mean do the proper migrations? | 18:31 |
SumitNaiksatam | DB migrations | 18:31 |
rkukura | proper migrations are required, and changes to config need careful thought | 18:31 |
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SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:32 |
SumitNaiksatam | we need to discuss whether we want to back port the Neutron REST API refactor as well, or leave it in Juno | 18:32 |
rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: back-porting that would require some effort since new config info would be needed | 18:33 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: correct | 18:33 |
Yi_ | SumitNaiksatam: you meant to leave it in Kilo? | 18:34 |
SumitNaiksatam | however not backporting it might introduce significant complexity for merging future backports | 18:34 |
SumitNaiksatam | Yi_: sorry, yeah i meant leave in in Kilo | 18:34 |
SumitNaiksatam | there is another option, we can move the Neutron REST API refactor changes to a feature branch | 18:36 |
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rkukura | Is there any way we could merge all kilo features and backport them before merging the switchover to REST? | 18:36 |
rkukura | We should be treating this relaxation of the stable rules as a very tempoary windoqw | 18:37 |
rkukura | window | 18:37 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we have already merged some of the refactor patches | 18:37 |
SumitNaiksatam | only one remains | 18:37 |
rkukura | I thought the ones we merged were additions rather than changing the existing code | 18:38 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that is also true | 18:38 |
rkukura | So we can just avoid back-porting the addtions | 18:38 |
SumitNaiksatam | i was thinking that if we create a separate feature branch, then we can merge the changes right away | 18:38 |
SumitNaiksatam | and then keep rebasing that branch with the changes in the master | 18:38 |
rkukura | A feature branch for the REST switchover? | 18:39 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 18:39 |
SumitNaiksatam | there might be some effort needed to keep the feature branch in sync with the master | 18:39 |
rkukura | That might be a good idea anyway, since there is some risk that REST calls within a single server could be problematic | 18:39 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah, and i was thinking we can them move these changes back to master, when we are creating the independent server (which we might not get to in the kilo time frame) | 18:40 |
rkukura | But how many kilo features do we want to back-port, and are these (almost) ready? | 18:40 |
yapeng | If we consider feature branch approach, would gbp wsgi server change and database change belong to this branch as well? | 18:40 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: no they are not ready, since this is kind of user driven, so difficult to predict where we would draw the line on this | 18:40 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: although i completely agree with you that we should be conservative | 18:41 |
SumitNaiksatam | and draw the line sooner than later | 18:41 |
SumitNaiksatam | anyone else has thoughts on this? | 18:42 |
SumitNaiksatam | perhaps needs more thought, so lets take this offline | 18:42 |
SumitNaiksatam | #topic Re-factor Group Based Policy with Neutron RESTful APIs | 18:42 |
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SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156856 | 18:42 |
SumitNaiksatam | Yi_: over to you | 18:42 |
Yi_ | I just uploaded one update | 18:43 |
SumitNaiksatam | i noticed you discovered some related issues and were trying to fix those | 18:43 |
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SumitNaiksatam | Yi_: ah nice | 18:43 |
Yi_ | previous one breaking the test cases that were introduced in bug/1432779 | 18:43 |
Yi_ | but Ivar helped me on this | 18:44 |
SumitNaiksatam | great | 18:44 |
Yi_ | and I was able to verify the latest code fix the issue on my own machine | 18:44 |
SumitNaiksatam | nice | 18:44 |
Yi_ | so it should be good for review now | 18:44 |
ivar-lazzaro | Having switched to Neutron REST APIs, we had to merge Neutron's policy.json with ours for UTs | 18:45 |
SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: oh okay | 18:45 |
ivar-lazzaro | at least the important parts (get on shared resources) | 18:45 |
SumitNaiksatam | seems a little counter intuitve to me | 18:45 |
SumitNaiksatam | but i might be missing something | 18:46 |
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ivar-lazzaro | External Segments creation was trying to retrieve the corresponding external subnet | 18:46 |
ivar-lazzaro | in some UTs, the latter was a shared subnet owned by a different tenant | 18:46 |
ivar-lazzaro | when using neutron plugin directly, this would work without a problem | 18:47 |
ivar-lazzaro | but with WSGI calls, the policy.json filter would block the call given that the requesting tenant was different from the resource owner, returning a 404 | 18:47 |
SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: so are these changes to the policy.json in sync with what is in neutron’s policy.json or do they change some of those definitions? | 18:48 |
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ivar-lazzaro | the change is only in the test-policy.json we load for UTs | 18:48 |
SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, thats good | 18:48 |
SumitNaiksatam | we are short on time and i would really like to cover the next item | 18:49 |
SumitNaiksatam | Yi_: ivar-lazzaro: thanks for the update | 18:49 |
Yi_ | my pleasure | 18:49 |
SumitNaiksatam | #topic Floating IP Support | 18:49 |
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SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/157298 | 18:49 |
SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: you had sent out an email earlier to some folks in the team regarding changes you need to make to support this on Juno | 18:50 |
SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: did you hear back from anyone? | 18:50 |
mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: I havent heard back from anyone, may be we can discuss it now ? | 18:50 |
SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: yes please summarize the approach that you need to take | 18:51 |
mageshgv | In Juno, Neutron does not allow us to specify the floating IP Address that we wish to use for a particular floating IP resource. | 18:52 |
mageshgv | The address allocation is completely managed by Neutron in Juno. | 18:52 |
mageshgv | So, if we want to backport this Floating IP support to Juno, we cannot use Nat Pool to allocate a floating IP from (we cannot force a floating IP to be created from this particular allocation pool) | 18:54 |
mageshgv | So, the only option to support this in Juno is to have Floating IP allocation to be linked to the External Segment rather than a Nat Pool | 18:55 |
ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: what if we forced the nat pool to be equal to the ES subnet? | 18:55 |
ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: would that be easier to upgrade to the right model in Kilo? | 18:55 |
SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: how do you envisioning enforcing this? | 18:56 |
SumitNaiksatam | a validation check when creating the nat pool? | 18:56 |
SumitNaiksatam | that can be removed later? | 18:56 |
ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: whenever a NAT-Pool is linked to the external segment we validate that the pool coincides with the ES subnet | 18:56 |
mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: that would work, but then we will be limiting our Nat Pool resource and it is going to be a duplicate of ES subnet ? | 18:56 |
ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ^^^ | 18:56 |
ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: yes, but it should be easier when you upgrade from Juno to Kilo | 18:57 |
ivar-lazzaro | mageshgv: and you can keep using your nat pools as they are, and eventually modify them | 18:57 |
SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: do we know of a real use case which we need to support where the nat pools are different from the ES subnet? | 18:58 |
mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro: Sounds good from a workflow perspective | 18:58 |
ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: the ES subnet may not be externally visible | 18:59 |
ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: while FIPs usually are | 18:59 |
SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: FIPs need not be externally visible too | 18:59 |
ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah true | 18:59 |
SumitNaiksatam | okay i need to bring up one more item before we end today | 18:59 |
SumitNaiksatam | sorry for rushing | 19:00 |
SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks for the update (lets close offline) | 19:00 |
SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:00 |
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SumitNaiksatam | regarding the Vancouver summit, we have been asked if we would like to have design summit session slots | 19:00 |
SumitNaiksatam | the option is to have fishbowl sessions and/or workrooms | 19:01 |
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SumitNaiksatam | see this #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054122.html for more details on the difference between the two | 19:01 |
SumitNaiksatam | the current thinking seems to be to ask for workrooms | 19:01 |
SumitNaiksatam | please let me know your thoughts at the earliest | 19:01 |
SumitNaiksatam | we need to decide what kind of rooms we want and how many | 19:02 |
SumitNaiksatam | btw, design summit sessions are only for OpenStack projects | 19:02 |
rkukura | the email says workrooms hold 20-40 people | 19:02 |
SumitNaiksatam | since our project proposal is in the pipeline, we have been offered this opportunity (to set things into context) | 19:02 |
SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 19:03 |
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ivar-lazzaro | rkukura: seems good | 19:03 |
SumitNaiksatam | anything else anyone want to bring up? | 19:04 |
igordcard | When is the service chain refactoring spec arriving to -specs? | 19:04 |
SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: good question :-) | 19:04 |
SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi was taking the lead on this | 19:04 |
SumitNaiksatam | but he is on PTO, and is planning to put it in as soon as he gets back | 19:05 |
igordcard | okay | 19:05 |
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SumitNaiksatam | meanwhile we can continue the discussion and if there is consenus start the implementation | 19:05 |
SumitNaiksatam | as a first iteration | 19:05 |
SumitNaiksatam | we are five minutes over | 19:05 |
SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for your time today! | 19:05 |
SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:05 |
igordcard | cya | 19:05 |
banix | bye | 19:05 |
mageshgv | bye | 19:05 |
yapeng | bye | 19:06 |
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SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:06 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 9 19:06:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:06 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-04-09-18.00.html | 19:06 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-04-09-18.00.txt | 19:06 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2015/networking_policy.2015-04-09-18.00.log.html | 19:06 |
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rkukura | bye | 19:06 |
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ivar-lazzaro | bye | 19:07 |
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mattgriffin | hi HA Guide team! | 21:00 |
mattgriffin | megm, i think we're the only ones here today | 21:00 |
megm | Hi, Matt! Is noone else going to join us? | 21:01 |
mattgriffin | megm, i think we're all alone today | 21:01 |
mattgriffin | #startmeeting HA-Guide | 21:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 9 21:02:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HA-Guide)" | 21:02 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' | 21:02 |
megm | So is there anything worth discussing? I was looking forward to Nick's report about his discussion with Bogdan... | 21:02 |
mattgriffin | megm, i have a few agenda items at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 21:02 |
mattgriffin | we can skip the first two | 21:02 |
mattgriffin | and jump to 3. ok? | 21:03 |
megm | Ok by me | 21:03 |
mattgriffin | #topic add priorities | 21:03 |
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mattgriffin | i reviewed Sam-I-Am's priorities and I'm +1. they look good enough to get started | 21:04 |
mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC | 21:04 |
megm | I sent email with a couple of concerns but got no response | 21:04 |
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mattgriffin | megm, what problems did you see? | 21:05 |
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nickchase | hey, all, sorry I'm late. | 21:05 |
mattgriffin | hey nickchase | 21:05 |
megm | I was concerned that MySQL, RabbitMQ, and Keystone are not priority 1 -- if we agree that priority 1-3 must be done to proceed, that's not an issue | 21:06 |
megm | Hi, nickchase! | 21:06 |
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mattgriffin | we were discussing the priorities that Sam-I-Am added to the TOC - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 21:06 |
mattgriffin | nickchase, ^ | 21:06 |
mattgriffin | megm, good point | 21:06 |
mattgriffin | need to get that clarified | 21:07 |
* nickchase is having trouble finding the TOC.... | 21:07 | |
megm | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC | 21:08 |
nickchase | thx | 21:08 |
megm | Also not sure why Swift, Glance, and Cinder are prios 4,5,6 respectively and not the same priority, but that may just be because mentally I group them together under "storage" | 21:09 |
megm | And Nova compute (which includes ephemeral storage, I suppose) is Priority 6 | 21:09 |
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mattgriffin | keep in mind that you need to do more than P1 in order to get to HA... maybe "Priority" is the wrong word. more like step | 21:10 |
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mattgriffin | maybe that was Sam-I-Am's thinking | 21:10 |
mattgriffin | about not making P2s actually P1 | 21:11 |
megm | Yes, it looks like sam-i-am was heavily thinking of the order in which things should be written, and some of the priorities are not 1 because they have dependencies on other pieces | 21:11 |
mattgriffin | ah | 21:11 |
megm | As I say, I just have questions -- wanted to make sure these made sense to everyone else | 21:11 |
mattgriffin | ack | 21:11 |
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megm | I'm hoping we'll have some parallel development here | 21:12 |
mattgriffin | megm, do you think your concerns would prevent us from moving forward? | 21:12 |
mattgriffin | 3 steps forward, 1 step back | 21:12 |
mattgriffin | more like | 21:12 |
nickchase | long as it's not 1 step forward, 3 steps back.... | 21:12 |
megm | No, definitely nothing to stop us from moving forward | 21:12 |
mattgriffin | heh | 21:12 |
mattgriffin | cool | 21:13 |
mattgriffin | let's hit the first two items on the agenda and get updates from nickchase | 21:13 |
megm | It clarifies that Heat, Ceilometer, Trove, and Sahara are a little bit deferred | 21:13 |
mattgriffin | :) | 21:13 |
mattgriffin | #agenda items | 21:13 |
megm | Yes, I want to hear from nick! | 21:13 |
mattgriffin | #topic agenda items | 21:13 |
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mattgriffin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting | 21:13 |
mattgriffin | nickchase, ^ | 21:13 |
nickchase | Well, I think that we're probably good; I'm trying really hard to meet with Bogdan to finalize but we've been playing meeting tag for 2 weeks. :( | 21:14 |
nickchase | So here's my feeling: | 21:14 |
nickchase | I think that we are probably good to start while we get the spec approved -- I'm trying to go ahead and get it set up so taht Bogdan can simply approve or leave comments. The big question is... | 21:15 |
nickchase | how to get content while we're waiting for the spec approval, since Andreas is insisting on one before we start. | 21:15 |
nickchase | (I did get the initial framework in, but Andreas -2'd it because we don't have a spec.) | 21:16 |
mattgriffin | nickchase, where's the spec process documented? | 21:17 |
megm | So what exactly is required to get a spec? I thought the doc that the blueprint points to made a good spec | 21:17 |
nickchase | I was actually about to ask that. :) | 21:17 |
nickchase | I'm looking for it right now. | 21:17 |
mattgriffin | heh... i think i saw an email from Anne about it recently | 21:17 |
nickchase | let me just ask her | 21:18 |
mattgriffin | ok | 21:18 |
nickchase | ok, she's not onlne | 21:18 |
megm | April 6 mail | 21:18 |
nickchase | ah, great. | 21:18 |
megm | No, those links are about PTL | 21:19 |
mattgriffin | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-April/006218.html ? | 21:19 |
mattgriffin | doh | 21:19 |
megm | Just this sentence: Please write a spec and link it to a blueprint, get that spec and blueprint approved before proposing the patch. | 21:19 |
megm | We have a blue print that points to the spec... | 21:20 |
megm | We may need to put the spec under git -- does that mean code it in RST? | 21:20 |
mattgriffin | here's andreas' $0.02 - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-April/006220.html | 21:20 |
nickchase | Do we have a blueprint? | 21:22 |
nickchase | (nm, I see that (doh)) | 21:23 |
mattgriffin | please link | 21:23 |
mattgriffin | nickchase, ^ | 21:23 |
nickchase | can't find it | 21:23 |
nickchase | (the spec) | 21:24 |
mattgriffin | nickchase, is it in launchpad or git.openstack.org? | 21:24 |
mattgriffin | the spec, that is | 21:24 |
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nickchase | I'm looking for it in luanchpad and not finding it | 21:25 |
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megm_ | nick, what is "it" that you seek in lp? | 21:26 |
megm_ | blueprint at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 21:28 |
nickchase | that is, indeed, the "it". | 21:29 |
nickchase | thank you. | 21:29 |
mattgriffin | : | 21:29 |
mattgriffin | :) | 21:29 |
mattgriffin | cool. let's go from there... | 21:29 |
megm_ | I'm adding the bp link to the "spec" | 21:30 |
mattgriffin | so based on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Blueprints_and_Specs, is Docs using "Spec + Blueprints" or "Blueprints only?" | 21:30 |
nickchase | We've been "Blueprints only" but I think they're pushing towards "Spec + Blueprints". | 21:30 |
mattgriffin | megm_, thnaks | 21:31 |
megm_ | Should we revise/update the BP text | 21:31 |
megm_ | ? | 21:31 |
nickchase | I think that they're looking for a spec in git that's been approved. | 21:31 |
megm_ | More than networking has changed, we want to leverage the new work being done for install-guide and network-guide | 21:32 |
mattgriffin | megm_, yes. we should update the description of the LP BP - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 21:33 |
mattgriffin | megm_, the "Strategy and assumptions" content should work | 21:33 |
mattgriffin | from the TOC doc | 21:33 |
megm_ | Add that to the BP? Sounds like a plan -- compress the exchange about A/A and A/P into a statement of what we are doing... | 21:34 |
mattgriffin | megm_, please | 21:35 |
megm_ | editing now | 21:35 |
nickchase | I don't think they're going to be satisfied with that. | 21:35 |
nickchase | I think we are going to have to add the whole TOC in there. | 21:35 |
mattgriffin | nickchase, megm_ i can write up a spec according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Blueprints_and_Specs | 21:35 |
mattgriffin | in "Spec + Blueprints lifecycle" | 21:35 |
nickchase | Great. | 21:35 |
mattgriffin | #action megm_ update the Launchpad BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 21:36 |
megm_ | action: done, I think. | 21:36 |
mattgriffin | #action mattgriffin write a spec according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Spec_.2B_Blueprints_lifecycle | 21:36 |
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nickchase | great | 21:37 |
megm_ | Terrific! | 21:37 |
mattgriffin | ok. so nickchase : do we still need the two action items for you at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting? | 21:37 |
nickchase | as soon as you have it, fi yuc ould let me know so I can push Bogdan to approve it that would be great. | 21:37 |
mattgriffin | nickchase, ok | 21:38 |
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mattgriffin | i had another item on the agenda... just to get you thinking about what's next... | 21:38 |
mattgriffin | please take a look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-haguide-update-next-steps and add your thoughts on how we should proceed after everything is approved and we are ready to write | 21:39 |
megm_ | Should the spec mention repos? And, if is going public, perhaps a brief word about what the priority markers mean? | 21:39 |
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mattgriffin | megm_, not sure | 21:40 |
mattgriffin | re: repos | 21:40 |
mattgriffin | i'll include a bit about the priorities (and that they might change or move in parallel as we get into things) | 21:40 |
megm_ | How about "emphasize P1-3"? That gets us around the MySQL/Keystone/RabbitMQ issues | 21:40 |
mattgriffin | fair enough | 21:41 |
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megm_ | This gives no statement about existing material that needs to be updated... Earlier discussions said that would also be P1 | 21:41 |
mattgriffin | megm_, this = the pad? | 21:42 |
megm_ | Is there a way to start the push for Ceilometer/MongoDB, Sahara, Trove, etc to get HA info into their docs? | 21:42 |
megm_ | Yes, the epad spec with priorities... | 21:42 |
megm_ | One approach is to just convert that doc, put it in the right place, and mark it as not updated... It preserves text without distracting us from the main plan | 21:43 |
megm_ | But would it fly? | 21:43 |
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megm_ | Do we have a plan for testing the content after it is written? | 21:45 |
mattgriffin | megm_, i think that would work. the etherpad was just a scratch pad for discussion on how we see the needed activities to be completed ... if we agree that after the spec is approved that we start writing according to the Priorities then we're good | 21:46 |
mattgriffin | megm_, re: testing, not sure how that's done... nickchase? | 21:46 |
mattgriffin | megm_, testing that it's formatted correctly or assessing the content itself? | 21:47 |
megm_ | Testing this doc is a non-trivial enterprise... To ensure that, at each step, the preliminary information has been covered, et cetera | 21:47 |
megm_ | Maybe put it as a blocker for now? Without testing, we have a good theoretical doc that may still be valuable... | 21:47 |
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mattgriffin | megm_, yes. should look into what other Docs teams do and use reviews | 21:48 |
mattgriffin | ok. i think that's all for now. anything else? | 21:49 |
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mattgriffin | action items will be in the meeting minutes soon to be available on the wiki | 21:50 |
mattgriffin | if there's nothing else i'm going to end the meeting... | 21:50 |
megm_ | I just mucked with your CRUDE PROECT PLAN | 21:50 |
mattgriffin | megm_, cool :) | 21:50 |
megm_ | Delete/fix as you like | 21:50 |
mattgriffin | ah excellent | 21:51 |
mattgriffin | thanks | 21:51 |
mattgriffin | ok. bye megm_ , nickchase | 21:51 |
nickchase | sorry, got called away for a moment | 21:51 |
mattgriffin | nickchase, hi | 21:51 |
nickchase | bye guys | 21:51 |
nickchase | thanks | 21:51 |
megm_ | I may muck some more... But I'm good with ending the meeting | 21:51 |
mattgriffin | #endmeeting | 21:51 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 9 21:51:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:51 |
megm_ | bye | 21:51 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-04-09-21.02.html | 21:51 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-04-09-21.02.txt | 21:51 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha_guide/2015/ha_guide.2015-04-09-21.02.log.html | 21:51 |
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