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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| alaski | anyone here for the cells meeting? | 17:00 |
| vineetmenon | o/ | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | o/ | 17:01 |
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| alaski | bauzas: ? | 17:01 |
| bauzas | oh | 17:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 17:01 |
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| alaski | #topic Cellsv1 Tempest Testing | 17:01 |
| bauzas | alaski: thanks for pinging me | 17:01 |
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| bauzas | soooo | 17:01 |
| alaski | so cells is green right now | 17:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 17:02 |
| alaski | but.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171414/ | 17:02 |
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| alaski | once that gets in we'll be failing hypervisor tests again | 17:02 |
| bauzas | who can we hassle for +W'ing it ? | 17:02 |
| bauzas | :) | 17:02 |
| alaski | and then there's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171306 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160506/ for those | 17:02 |
| alaski | bauzas: I'm not sure, could probably ask in -infra about it | 17:03 |
| bauzas | dheeraj-gupta-4: you asked me a question this morning about why cells job is just having a few tests, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171414/ for hte explanation | 17:03 |
| bauzas | alaski: yeah, that's good that we have at least one +2 | 17:04 |
| dheeraj-gupta-4 | bauzas: Yes got it. | 17:04 |
| alaski | I'd like to see that change in before the service objects changes are merged | 17:04 |
| alaski | so we can see a good test run on them | 17:04 |
| bauzas | alaski: agreed | 17:04 |
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| bauzas | alaski: but that would require a recheck for both | 17:04 |
| alaski | bauzas: yep | 17:05 |
| alaski | fortunately jenkins seems in good shape atm | 17:05 |
| bauzas | anyway, let's see what we can do soon | 17:05 |
| bauzas | RC1 is tomorrow :/ | 17:05 |
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| alaski | yep. we're close though | 17:06 |
| alaski | anything more on testing? | 17:06 |
| melwitt | I'll ask in infra and see if we can get +W today | 17:06 |
| alaski | melwitt: thanks | 17:07 |
| bauzas | melwitt: cool | 17:07 |
| alaski | #topic Specs | 17:07 |
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| alaski | this is mainly a reminder that there are some specs now | 17:07 |
| alaski | and scheduling in particular is going to get a lot of feedback I think | 17:07 |
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| alaski | so the earlier that happens the better | 17:07 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141486/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136490/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169901/ | 17:08 |
| bauzas | alaski: nit: you should amend https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova-Cells-v2 by modifying the Gerrit search URL | 17:08 |
| alaski | bauzas: ok | 17:08 |
| alaski | #action alaski update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova-Cells-v2 with new specs/reviews/info | 17:09 |
| alaski | anything to discuss on specs today? | 17:10 |
| vineetmenon | alaski: since we are in scheduling.. | 17:10 |
| bauzas | alaski: I saw jaypipes's point and I will put some notes | 17:10 |
| alaski | bauzas: thanks | 17:10 |
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| vineetmenon | is it finalized that top level will schedule a new instance upto node level? | 17:10 |
| bauzas | alaski: because I think what cells v2 is trying to do with scheduling can directly benefit to scheduler | 17:10 |
| bauzas | vineetmenon: that's what's discussed in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141486/ | 17:11 |
| vineetmenon | i mean the scheduling decision (cell, host) will be entirely taken by top level | 17:11 |
| alaski | vineetmenon: nothing is finalized at this point | 17:11 |
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| alaski | vineetmenon: but the idea is that asking to be scheduled will return that | 17:11 |
| alaski | vineetmenon: and the scheduler might be broken into two levels behind the scenes. that's up in the air now though | 17:11 |
| bauzas | alaski: I was thinking of an approach like Google Omega, ie. multiple optimistic schedulers sharing a global view | 17:11 |
| vineetmenon | alaski: kk | 17:12 |
| bauzas | alaski: but that's a scheduler approach - the biggest problem is what jaypipes said, ie. the current scheduler doesn't scale well | 17:12 |
| bauzas | s/well/at all even | 17:12 |
| alaski | bauzas: I saw you post http://eurosys2013.tudos.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/paper/Schwarzkopf.pdf a while ago and have that in a tab to read | 17:13 |
| bauzas | alaski: that's a long long journey | 17:13 |
| bauzas | alaski: but I'm trying to move towards that direction | 17:13 |
| alaski | bauzas: but if you could distill that into comments on the spec that would be very helpful | 17:13 |
| bauzas | alaski: honestly, it's all about deliverables | 17:13 |
| vineetmenon | :) | 17:14 |
| bauzas | alaski: we can't barely assume that the nova scheduler will be able to cope by magic with thousands of nodes | 17:14 |
| bauzas | at least for L | 17:14 |
| alaski | agreed | 17:14 |
| bauzas | alaski: so I think we should keep a divide and conquer approach as a short term solution | 17:14 |
| alaski | what I'm looking at is can we get cells into the scheduler and have it cope with the load of a current non cells deployment | 17:15 |
| alaski | I don't expect it to handle a rackspace or CERN load yet | 17:15 |
| vineetmenon | bauzas: I was thinking the same +! | 17:15 |
| bauzas | with the magic Scheduler (with a big S) as a mid-term goal | 17:15 |
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| bauzas | alaski: well, I think that the idea behind cells is duplication | 17:15 |
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| bauzas | ie. call it mitosis | 17:16 |
| bauzas | ie. doesn't scale ? duplicate it | 17:17 |
| alaski | bauzas: I'm on board with keeping a two level approach, assuming that's what you mean by divide and conquer, if we abstract that properly | 17:17 |
| alaski | i.e. hide it behind a client api | 17:17 |
| vineetmenon | +1 with two level is that it can scale up to n levels.. if properly thought of.. | 17:17 |
| bauzas | alaski: shard it, if you prefer | 17:18 |
| alaski | bauzas: gotcha. I'm fine with that too, but that's a big change | 17:18 |
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| alaski | and has to answer many of the same questions as cells, like how do we handle affinity/anti-affinity | 17:18 |
| bauzas | alaski: I think that's a tinier change than just a scalable scheduler | 17:18 |
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| bauzas | alaski: IIUC, RAX is using one sched per cell ? | 17:19 |
| alaski | bauzas: yes | 17:19 |
| bauzas | okay, plus the cells scheduler for parenting this | 17:19 |
| bauzas | plus the CacheScheduler, got it | 17:19 |
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| bauzas | okay, sounds like a big big thing anyway - either we scale up or we scale out | 17:20 |
| alaski | I think we need to have an understanding of what requirements need to be met for scheduling, and then we can look at how to do it | 17:20 |
| bauzas | alaski: well, the scheduler itself is fairly easy to understand* | 17:21 |
| bauzas | alaski: the main problem is that it's racy | 17:21 |
| alaski | because while I agree that sharding is easier than scaling the scheduler as is, it needs to handle affinity which is then trickier | 17:21 |
| bauzas | alaski: so the bigger your deployment is, the higher you get retries | 17:22 |
| bauzas | alaski: agreed | 17:22 |
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| bauzas | alaski: in particular if we consider that aggregates and servergroups are colocated with the cloud itself, not a child cell | 17:22 |
| bauzas | but that question hasn't been answered AFAIK | 17:23 |
| bauzas | alaski: do you plan inter-cell migrations with cells ? | 17:23 |
| alaski | it hasn't, but I agree | 17:23 |
| alaski | bauzas: that's tricky too. I think Nova should support it, but you may want to turn it off. | 17:24 |
| bauzas | agreed | 17:24 |
| vineetmenon | bauzas: what does that mean, 'inter-cell migrations'? | 17:25 |
| bauzas | vineetmenon: do you want to live/cold migrate or evacuate VMs from cell1@hostA to cell2@hostB N | 17:25 |
| bauzas | ? | 17:26 |
| alaski | this actually gets into the next topic so let me switch real quick | 17:26 |
| alaski | #topic Cells Scheduling | 17:26 |
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| alaski | :) | 17:26 |
| bauzas | alaski: that reminds me that I probably missed the biggest question : do we hide to the users the complexity of deployments and are we just showing instances - not cells | 17:26 |
| bauzas | alaski: or is it a segragation thing ? | 17:27 |
| bauzas | *segregation | 17:27 |
| alaski | I don't want to hide it, not fully | 17:27 |
| bauzas | alaski: speaking of end-users, not admins of course | 17:27 |
| alaski | it doesn't have to be exposed as cells though | 17:27 |
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| bauzas | alaski: that's my thought | 17:28 |
| bauzas | alaski: but if it's hidden, then that's just like aggregates, an op thing | 17:28 |
| alaski | I think it's useful to know if two instances are in the same or different cells | 17:29 |
| melwitt | if I think about the use case of scheduling to a specific cell using a scheduler hint, then I think it would be nice to expose something about the cells | 17:29 |
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| alaski | melwitt: agreed | 17:30 |
| bauzas | melwitt: that's the difference between AZs and aggregates | 17:30 |
| bauzas | anyway, I just want to ask those questions not to point out all the difficulties, just say that we'll need to make decisions and approximations | 17:31 |
| alaski | this is a good question to get some operator feedback on | 17:31 |
| bauzas | +1 | 17:31 |
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| alaski | back to scheduling | 17:32 |
| alaski | I think we should discuss some specifics to better shape what will be needed in the scheduler | 17:32 |
| alaski | I started getting a list of scheduler filters, and alphabetically affinity is first | 17:33 |
| alaski | I have two questions on it: how do we revise the semantics for cells, and how do we implement it | 17:34 |
| alaski | for the semantics I'm thinking about anti-affinity and cells | 17:34 |
| alaski | should it mean anything as far as cells is concerned, like anti-affinity in same cell vs different cell? | 17:35 |
| bauzas | mmm, affinity is a big word | 17:35 |
| bauzas | we have affinity for VMs, server groups and aggregates | 17:36 |
| bauzas | I'm fine with having a new level as cells, but that ties to the question I mentioned about cells scope | 17:36 |
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| melwitt | I can think of it meaning anti-affinity within a cell. if a cell represents a group of instances belonging to a certain security zone for example. this kind of brings up the two level scheduling possibility I think, allowing in-cell schedulers to filter if they want to. at the top anti-affinity would mean different cells, in-cell it would be within the same cell | 17:38 |
| alaski | most of the cells filters I deal with are primarily about the capabilities of a cell, this type of hardware for this type of flavor type thing | 17:38 |
| alaski | so my initial thinking is that cells scope only deals with large things like that, everything else is global host level stuff | 17:38 |
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| bauzas | melwitt: that's just two filters, if we consider a top-level scheduler | 17:39 |
| melwitt | bauzas: okay | 17:39 |
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| bauzas | alaski: are you grouping per capabilities ? | 17:40 |
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| alaski | bauzas: not sure what you mena | 17:40 |
| alaski | mean | 17:40 |
| bauzas | alaski: sorry, I was referring to what you mention as "capabilities of a cell" | 17:41 |
| bauzas | alaski: that implies homegeneous hardware | 17:41 |
| alaski | bauzas: ahh, gotcha | 17:41 |
| alaski | bauzas: doesn't have to be fully homogeneous, but close enough | 17:42 |
| alaski | like all SSDs, but perhaps different cpus | 17:42 |
| bauzas | alaski: because I'm considering cells as just something for scaling Nova, not necessarly necessary for grouping | 17:42 |
| bauzas | alaski: because aggregates are used for that purpose | 17:42 |
| alaski | sure, but it is a grouping as well and I think it will be used that way | 17:43 |
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| bauzas | alaski: sorry but why not creating a big aggregate per cell, and leave as it is now ? | 17:43 |
| alaski | but it's a good point that it doesn't need to be | 17:43 |
| bauzas | alaski: I'm asking that, because that sends a bad signal that cells are just aggregates | 17:44 |
| bauzas | alaski: but I agree with you on the colocation aspect | 17:44 |
| bauzas | alaski: I guess you tend to group cells by hardware proximity | 17:45 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:45 |
| alaski | I'm currently rethinking how much of a concept cells need to be in the scheduler | 17:45 |
| alaski | we do need to figure out how to migrate the concepts we currently have into something the scheduler can handle | 17:46 |
| bauzas | alaski: well, I'm considering cells as just a new colocation object | 17:46 |
| alaski | but if can move cell capabilities into aggregates that could be a path | 17:47 |
| alaski | bauzas: yeah, but should that be different than an implicit aggregate? | 17:47 |
| bauzas | alaski: because of the affinity stuff you mentioned | 17:47 |
| bauzas | alaski: like saying that you have a DC with 3 floors | 17:48 |
| bauzas | alaski: you could use aggregates for grouping your SSD hosts which are not at the same floor | 17:48 |
| bauzas | alaski: but you could need to do a boot request saying 'I want to boot on a host at the 3rd floor, because I know that my power consumption is lower there" | 17:49 |
| bauzas | alaski: of course, it can be implicit | 17:49 |
| bauzas | so the affinity can be done orthogonallyt | 17:50 |
| alaski | right | 17:50 |
| bauzas | alaski: and that would solve one big confusion about Nova AZs != AWS AZs | 17:51 |
| bauzas | because we could say that Nova cells are somehow related to AWS AZs | 17:51 |
| alaski | possibly | 17:52 |
| alaski | that's still up to the deployer I think | 17:52 |
| bauzas | agreed | 17:52 |
| bauzas | that's why I'm saying that's just a new segregation object for the scheduler | 17:52 |
| bauzas | so new filters | 17:52 |
| bauzas | - leaving off the scaling problem, of course - | 17:53 |
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| alaski | the new filter would be at the same place other scheduler filters are at | 17:53 |
| bauzas | alaski: if the scheduler is a global scheduler, yes | 17:53 |
| alaski | going this route I'm not sure we're introducing a real scalability difference | 17:53 |
| bauzas | that's just an abstraction that leaves the scalability problem unresolved | 17:54 |
| alaski | bauzas: right, I'm assuming global scheduler for now since that's what we have | 17:54 |
| alaski | bauzas: unresolved, but not any different than today right? | 17:54 |
| bauzas | alaski: exactly, and that's necessary to keep that abstraction if we want "orthogonal" filtering | 17:55 |
| bauzas | alaski: right, I'm just trying to say that's distinct efforts | 17:55 |
| bauzas | #1 scalability problem of a global scheduler | 17:55 |
| bauzas | #2 cells-related filters | 17:55 |
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| alaski | okay. agreed, though for this meeting I would reverse the ordering :) | 17:56 |
| bauzas | lol | 17:56 |
| bauzas | just thinking about hash rings for scheduler, lol | 17:56 |
| alaski | well that felt productive to me, because I'm totally rethinking scheduling now | 17:56 |
| alaski | bauzas: heh, if we could do that it would be pretty cool | 17:57 |
| bauzas | yeah.... but claims are compute-based :/ | 17:57 |
| alaski | so my takeaway is that I need to rewrite my scheduling spec | 17:57 |
| bauzas | eh | 17:58 |
| bauzas | you have to jump in on scheduler, as I have to do with cells :) | 17:58 |
| alaski | I'm seeing that | 17:58 |
| alaski | I'll look up the meeting time and start showing up | 17:59 |
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| bauzas | cool | 17:59 |
| alaski | any last minute thoughts from anyone, since we didn't get an open discussion? | 17:59 |
| melwitt | regex fix merged, I put rechecks on the two patches | 17:59 |
| bauzas | melwitt: \o/ | 17:59 |
| alaski | melwitt: awesome! | 17:59 |
| bauzas | mens are chattering... | 17:59 |
| bauzas | congrats ! | 18:00 |
| melwitt | heh | 18:00 |
| bauzas | doing rechecks now | 18:00 |
| alaski | she already did them | 18:00 |
| alaski | thanks everyone! | 18:00 |
| bauzas | oh cool | 18:00 |
| bauzas | thanks | 18:00 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 18:00:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| vineetmenon | ciao | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-04-08-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-04-08-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2015/nova_cells.2015-04-08-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: badveli SridarK vishwanathj: hi | 18:30 |
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| vishwanathj | Hi All | 18:30 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: and all hi | 18:30 |
| badveli | hello sumit and all | 18:30 |
| yamahata | hello | 18:30 |
| yushiro | SumitNaiksatam, badveli SridarK hi :-) | 18:30 |
| badveli | hello yushiro | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: hi | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 18:30:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:31 |
| SridarK | badveli: yamahata: yushiro: hi | 18:31 |
| badveli | hello sridark | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:31 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is a doc bug: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1440864 | 18:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1440864 in openstack-manuals "Firewall-as-a-Service (FWaaS) overview in OpenStack Cloud Administrator Guide - current" [Undecided,New] | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need someone to look at it | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: regarding #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1439383 | 18:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439383 in neutron "FWaaS - the action of firewall-policy "insert_rule" and "remove_rule" not exist in policy.json" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Yushiro FURUKAWA (y-furukawa-2) | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: hi | 18:33 |
| pc_m | hi! | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: are you planning to post a patch? | 18:33 |
| yushiro | pc_m, hi | 18:33 |
| pc_m | yushiro: Hi | 18:33 |
| yushiro | SumitNaiksatam, yes. I'll post the patch. | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yushiro: thanks! | 18:34 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i will look into 1440864 | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the following is another relatively minor bug: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169239/ | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks much | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i thought the change was good, not sure why the gate keeps failing on that, i havent investigated | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have this high priority doc bug: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bug/1425658 | 18:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425658 in openstack-api-site "FWaaS needs WADL doc to be available in the API reference" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Sumit Naiksatam (snaiksat) | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i posted a patch for that | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | still little more work to do | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i also volunteered co-authors ;-P | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so first priority is to bring it in sync with the older documentation | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and then add the router insertion specific details | 18:36 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: I am trying to add some stuff into the common.ent file | 18:36 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: Gates on 169239 is because of Neutron UT changes. | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: ah ok, the recent changes | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: thanks | 18:37 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: Should be fixed by my commit https://review.openstack.org/171602. Just rebase. | 18:37 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: +1 to pc_m | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: was just going to say, not sure why he didnt try a rebase | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps we can post a comment with the suggestion | 18:38 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: Will do. | 18:38 |
| vishwanathj | should not the Rebase Change button work from the patch link | 18:38 |
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| pc_m | vishwanathj: Might, but might not, as there may be conflict in test file. | 18:39 |
| vishwanathj | nevermind, When I do that, I get the error "The Change could not be rebased due to a patch conflict during merge" | 18:39 |
| pc_m | vishwanathj: :) | 18:39 |
| SridarK | test_db_firewall.py shd have conflicts | 18:40 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: What;s the patch number for the doc change? | 18:40 |
| SridarK | the day that button works always we will all be redundant :-) | 18:40 |
| vishwanathj | :) | 18:40 |
| pc_m | LoL | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: which one? | 18:41 |
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| pc_m | You mentioned the WADL, you have a patch? Or is it not up for review yet? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170733/ | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: ^^^ | 18:42 |
| pc_m | thanks | 18:42 |
| SridarK | pc_m: u had filled in the common.ent file manually for vpn ? | 18:42 |
| SridarK | i recall u saying something to that effect | 18:43 |
| pc_m | SridarK: yeah I did everything manually. | 18:43 |
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| SridarK | pc_m: i will ping u offline for some pointers on that | 18:43 |
| * pc_m manual = cut and paste :) | 18:43 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: :-) | 18:43 |
| SridarK | pc_m: boy that file makes my head spin :-) | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: i took that advice to heart ;-) | 18:43 |
| pc_m | SridarK: Sure we can chat. It makes sense once you play with it for a while. | 18:44 |
| SridarK | pc_m: ok thx | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other interesting bugs we missed today? | 18:44 |
| vishwanathj | I need to respond to Yushiro's patch set..... | 18:45 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: nothing else i believe | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: link? | 18:45 |
| vishwanathj | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147396/ | 18:45 |
| yushiro | vishwanathj, thank you! | 18:46 |
| vishwanathj | for some reason, I am still able to reproduce the issue after I apply the patch | 18:46 |
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| vishwanathj | yushiro, you may need to upload another patchset as Jenkins as failed with error "Patch in merge conflict" | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: ah, yeah noticed your comment earlier, thanks for trying it out | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Functional/Integration tests in the gate | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: you said wanted to give this a shot? | 18:48 |
| badveli | yes thanks for your pointers | 18:48 |
| yushiro | vishwanathj, I see. I will upload the patch. current my patch status is 'Merge Conflict'. I don't know why.. | 18:48 |
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| badveli | i went through the test that you had mentioned | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for the basic test i was proposing last week, i was thinking something along the lines of what this is doing: #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/tests/functional/agent/linux/test_iptables_firewall.py | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: okay great | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: you want to discuss here your findings? | 18:49 |
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| badveli | looks to me we can do some thing similar as you had mentioned set up firewall and do some functional test like allow or deny case | 18:50 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: badveli: is this for Scenario tests ? | 18:50 |
| badveli | sent some traffic and check | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: this is for functional tests | 18:51 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: so API or beyond ? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: in the last week we discussed with pc_m as to how we can get some functional tests going | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | with functional tests the idea is to not require the entire opesntack stack to be running | 18:51 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: ok got it - sorry - will catch up on logs | 18:52 |
| yamahata | Do you have any idea on how to create packet? | 18:52 |
| badveli | sridark to check the functionality of the firewall in affect | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but perhaps just exercise the fwaas code such that it triggers the configuration iptables rules | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: do we need to create a packet? | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: i was not thinking in terms of testing the datapath | 18:53 |
| yamahata | it depends on what firewall rule to be tested. | 18:53 |
| yamahata | Okay | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: but testing that the expected iptables rules are applied | 18:53 |
| SridarK_ | ok makes sense - we can actually just check the iptables to see if the rule manifests in iptables | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: yeah | 18:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | since we can rely that iptables is independently tested for the data path | 18:54 |
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| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: yes and easier and more light weight makes total sense | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | of course we need to ensure that we are validating against the right critieria (in terms of what we expect the rules to be applied) | 18:54 |
| badveli | sumit in the tests that you had mentioned they check ping traffic | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: ah okay | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so they do test the datapath | 18:55 |
| badveli | they use some helper | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: good to know | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: i guess any tests that we now land will go into liberty, right? | 18:55 |
| pc_m | yeah | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: let us know how your investigation goes | 18:57 |
| badveli | thanks to pc_m for reorganizing the unit test case | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: and once you have some plan around this, lets share with the rest of the team | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: that way we can split the work and get more people involved | 18:57 |
| badveli | yes, also one more question will the functional test fall in different path | 18:57 |
| pc_m | Sure, np. I had to do VPN and had a script to help, so I used it on FW. | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: i believe you have some experience in this as well | 18:58 |
| yamahata | Sure, willing to get involved/help | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: so please chime in with your suggestions | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: awesome!! | 18:58 |
| badveli | yes sumit, i started looking at that test and will update | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: great, thanks! | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli please keep yamahata in close loop, he has good experience with this | 18:59 |
| yamahata | badveli: please Yalei too | 18:59 |
| badveli | the functional tests will be under which a seperate directory structure | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli is also local (with reference to your location), so you can bug him ;-P | 18:59 |
| badveli | ok, thanks yamahata | 18:59 |
| badveli | ok, thanks yamahata and sumit | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: we have made a start in terms of the directory structure #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron-fwaas/tree/master/neutron_fwaas/tests/functional | 19:00 |
| badveli | sorry i saw we have a directory structure | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: you mentioned that Nikolay was working on the tempest tests (scenario tests?) | 19:01 |
| badveli | yes thanks sumit | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: that will be a different effort from this | 19:01 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: yes he will be doing that | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just to make sure we are all on the same page | 19:01 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: got it | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: and it would be good to track that effort here as well | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: i believe this is a bad time fo Nikolay | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so may be you can proxy him (i believe pc_m is in close discussion with him as well) | 19:02 |
| SridarK_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165859 | 19:02 |
| SridarK_ | patch from him for insertion mode | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: bam!! sweet!! | 19:02 |
| SridarK_ | but will probab go to L | 19:02 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: yes i will proxy for Nikolay | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | seems like an ultra lite patch though ;-) | 19:03 |
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| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: yes wanted to get a patch out - but working with him to improve coverage | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | looking at the most recent comment, i agree as well, perhaps need a separate test case | 19:03 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: FYI, Nikolay is in Russia. | 19:03 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: yes and more work is needed | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: thanks, yes, good for everyone to know | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: its great that Nikolay is on this, i dont mean to belittle the work in any way | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry if i sounded like that | 19:05 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: no totally understand did not take it that way at all just wanted to clarify | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its take a lot of time and effort to just get the environment setup to be able start writing and tests like these | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so its fantastic that he is at this point | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | because if you get one test going, then i think its relatively easier to add more | 19:06 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: he is working with pc_m for vpnaas as well | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: on that, you mentioned there were some issues that other neutron cores had raised | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: has that been sorted out, and the feedback conveyed to Nikolay? | 19:07 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: Yeah, main issue was that tests were using tempest repo imports. Nikolay has been working on doing the test w/o tempest. | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: ah okay | 19:08 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: He just posting something today, but I haven't looked at it yet. | 19:08 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: I mentioned to him that in Neutron they now have "fixtures" (see Fake* classes), and that maybe that would help as well | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: okay | 19:09 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: I haven't looked into the Fixtures much, but seems like they have things for ports, routers, networks, etc. | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: okay, thanks for relaying that information | 19:10 |
| pc_m | SumitNaiksatam: In short, there's a bunch to be done for the scenario test, but we've got time, as it'll land in Liberty. | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: true | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the first test will take time, after that it will be much easier to scale this out to more people | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything more to discuss today on the topic of functional/integration tests? | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | as regards the design summit | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-neutron-summit-topics | 19:13 |
| vishwanathj | Do any of the vendor have to refactor their code as a result of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169239/ getting merged? | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: i doubt it | 19:14 |
| vishwanathj | looks like the Vyatta Firewall agent code might have to respin? I am investigating the impact and code changes | 19:14 |
| vishwanathj | SumitNaiksatam, Ok | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: okay | 19:15 |
| SridarK_ | vishwanathj: i would have thought this should not have any impact | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there seems to be a comment in the etherpad: “The future of FWaaS: What do we do with it, how it relates to security groups, etc.” | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | line item 43 | 19:15 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: interesting :-) | 19:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | you can go through the time line and see who added that | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am guessing its not someone from this team | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i cant tell clearly who it is | 19:17 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: should the answer be "Bright" :-) | 19:17 |
| SridarK_ | the future that is :-) | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: :-) | 19:17 |
| vishwanathj | SumitNaiksatam, SridarK_, vyattaFirewallAgent implements the method process_router() method, refer https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169239/.... | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: okay | 19:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so if you have any firewall related topics that you need to add, please add them to etherpad | 19:18 |
| vishwanathj | wrong link, refer https://github.com/openstack/neutron-fwaas/blob/master/neutron_fwaas/services/firewall/agents/vyatta/fwaas_agent.py | 19:19 |
| vishwanathj | the patchset https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163222/6/neutron/agent/l3/agent.py removes the call to process_router() | 19:19 |
| SridarK_ | vishwanathj: ok - i was getting really confused as that was a one line change | 19:20 |
| vishwanathj | SridarK_, I need to investigate what the corresponding change should be ....was wondering if the other vendor codes had already looked into it and assessed the impacts.... | 19:21 |
| SridarK_ | vishwanathj: we have our own agent so this should not impact us | 19:21 |
| vishwanathj | looks like you guys may not be impacted and the Vyatta code might be....will approach you guys for guidance if needed | 19:21 |
| SridarK_ | but other vendors may have a similar situation | 19:21 |
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| vishwanathj | pc_m, was the VPN code impacted? | 19:22 |
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| pc_m | vishwanathj: I don't think so. | 19:23 |
| vishwanathj | pc_m, Thanks | 19:23 |
| pc_m | Tests pass, so it must work :) | 19:24 |
| vishwanathj | :) | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: :-) | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay anything else for today? | 19:24 |
| badveli | viswanathj i am looking at the agent patch, will update if we need to change in the mean time let me know how are you handling the removed process_router | 19:25 |
| vishwanathj | badveli, I need to investigate, will keep you posted on what I find out | 19:25 |
| badveli | ok, thanks | 19:26 |
| vishwanathj | became aware of this only this morning | 19:26 |
| pc_m | vishwanathj: VPN just listens for the events, which happen in _process_added_router() and _process_updated_router(). | 19:26 |
| pc_m | vishwanathj: FW could do the same thing, and decouple from the agent, if desired. | 19:27 |
| vishwanathj | pc_m, thanks, let me spend some time trying to grasp this...will probably ping you on IRC if I have questions | 19:27 |
| badveli | thanks pc_m for the pointers | 19:27 |
| pc_m | IOW, VPN "subscribes" for notifications of various events from agent, and then has handlers for those events. FW can do the same thing, if action needed on the events. | 19:28 |
| pc_m | vishwanathj: sure | 19:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: yes | 19:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: thanks much for jumping in and fixing the UT failures | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: by the time i woke up and noticed that there was an issue, you had it fixed ;-) | 19:29 |
| pc_m | Sure np. I did a fix for the check bash script thing too, but it'll have to wait for liberty | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: ok | 19:29 |
| pc_m | yeah earlt bird gets the worm :) | 19:30 |
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| pc_m | early | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pc_m: :-) | 19:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thanks eveyrone | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:30 |
| pc_m | bye | 19:30 |
| vishwanathj | bye | 19:30 |
| yushiro | Bye bye | 19:30 |
| yamahata | bye | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 19:30:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-04-08-18.30.html | 19:30 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-04-08-18.30.txt | 19:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2015/networking_fwaas.2015-04-08-18.30.log.html | 19:31 |
| badveli | bye | 19:31 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 19:59:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 19:59 |
| david-lyle | hello horizon folks | 19:59 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 19:59 |
| mrunge | o/ | 19:59 |
| bpokorny | Hi | 20:00 |
| crobertsrh | Hello/ | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | so much excitement an hour ago, so few hands | 20:04 |
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| TravT_ | ? | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Wrong time again? :p | 20:04 |
| mrunge | TravT_, you missed us trying to start the meeting one hour earlier | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Evening all :) | 20:04 |
| TravT_ | ahh, glad i missed it! | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | everyone was wanting a meeting an hour ago | 20:04 |
| TravT_ | let's pretend it was an hour now | 20:04 |
| TravT_ | pretend it was an hour ago, and just call it good | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | Alright folks, we are almost done with RC-1 | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 20:04 |
| esp | nice! | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | 5 FFEs merged and 1 was deferred to Kilo | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Nice work | 20:04 |
| doug-fish | cool | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | err libery | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | Liberty | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | there I can type it | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | a Few more bugs that would be nice to have fixed | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | at least the fixes for said bugs | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | we have enough bugs | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | a couple more items for launch instance are not in that list for some reason | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | I blame the PTL | 20:05 |
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| david-lyle | will look to remedy that | 20:05 |
| mrunge | we can elect a new ptl | 20:05 |
| doug-fish | :-) I have more bugs on deck that I'm planning to spring on you over the next day or 2. Related to hardcoded English strings. | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | I don't think any of the remaining bugs will block the RC | 20:06 |
| mrunge | doug-fish, I think we're already in string freeze? | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | which I expect to be tomorrow or Friday | 20:06 |
| doug-fish | that makes sense to me. | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | Monday at the latest | 20:06 |
| mrunge | if not, we're nearly there | 20:06 |
| doug-fish | I think we are only in _mostly_ string freeze at this point | 20:06 |
| doug-fish | right? | 20:06 |
| doug-fish | rc1 is the real freeze | 20:06 |
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| david-lyle | Yes, we need to give the translators time to do the final translations | 20:06 |
| TravT_ | we have fixes up for the launch instance bugs. | 20:07 |
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| TravT_ | i just tested all of them. | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | that will hopefully be the only patch merged for RC2 | 20:07 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, when you cut rc1, could you release another d-o-a, too? | 20:07 |
| TravT_ | looks like a couple really minor styling things to fix up. | 20:07 |
| mrunge | I mean django_openstack_auth | 20:07 |
| lhcheng | there have been couple of bugs creeping in, but mostly bugs we think important enough to include and was already approved | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I need to wait for the kilo release to finalize | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | I will right after that | 20:08 |
| doug-fish | david-lyle: will we hold up rc1 for https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1436903 ? | 20:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1436903 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "integration tests failing blocking gate" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to David Lyle (david-lyle) | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: I don't think so | 20:08 |
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| david-lyle | I certainly would like to have a fix, but I have not tracked down the root cause | 20:08 |
| doug-fish | yeah that was going to be my next question | 20:09 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: when do we consider kilo release finalized? is that after rc1 or even later? | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | the only patch I saw attempting to fix it other than mine was to lengthen the timeout | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | which I'm loathe to do | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng: I think once most/all projects RC-1s are cut | 20:09 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: okay | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | we just don't want to cause gating issues as a side effect | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | so releasing now is frowned upon | 20:10 |
| lhcheng | sounds reasonable | 20:10 |
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| lhcheng | ++ | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | Ok, other general items | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | The PTL nomination season is upon us if you didn't see the email on the dev ML | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | I nominated myself again, it is always open to self-nomination | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | I think the deadline is 6:00 UTC tomorrow | 20:12 |
| tqtran | how does one vote for it? | 20:12 |
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| david-lyle | So if someone declares their candidacy, there would be an election | 20:13 |
| mrunge | tqtran, you'll just send a mail to openstack-dev and announce, you're running for PTL. Bonus points, for reasons to vote for you | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | and you would receive email about voting, otherwise if I am the only one running, no election | 20:13 |
| mrunge | at least, we'd then have an elected PTL | 20:13 |
| tqtran | no i meant, once the candidates are announced, how do we vote? | 20:13 |
| lhcheng | mrunge: only folks that contributed to that project can vote? | 20:13 |
| tqtran | ah ok | 20:14 |
| mrunge | yes | 20:14 |
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| david-lyle | yes ATCs would get the email | 20:14 |
| mrunge | lhcheng, that's right, and only contributors can declare their candidacy | 20:14 |
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| david-lyle | A week after the PTL elections close is the TC self-nomination period | 20:15 |
| mrunge | so: folks, think twice, nominate yourself | 20:15 |
| mrunge | just to have an elected PTL | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | if you're interested in that | 20:15 |
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| david-lyle | I meant the TC | 20:15 |
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| TravT_ | Is TC only self-nominate? or are all of these also things that others can nominate? | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | TravT_: I think only self nominate, but unsure | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | I think there is a willingness thing that comes into play :) | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | the board seats are true nominations | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | and you can decline the nomination | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | the PTL and TC elections are not that sophisticated | 20:17 |
| TravT_ | Can one explain exactly what all the TC does? | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | TravT_: :/ | 20:18 |
| mattfarina | lol | 20:18 |
| mrunge | TravT_, can we please move such merely unrelated questions to somewhere else? | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | no, the TC (Technical Committee) is the technical governing body of the developers in openstack | 20:18 |
| mrunge | https://www.openstack.org/foundation/tech-committee/ | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | but the prose mrunge linked will be better and more effective | 20:19 |
| TravT_ | mrunge: thx | 20:19 |
| ttx | also governance.oenstack.org for current data on TC | 20:19 |
| ttx | err.. governance.openstack.org | 20:20 |
| TravT_ | ttx: thx | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | ok, release stuff in another room, back | 20:22 |
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| mrunge | we have a single item on today's agenda | 20:23 |
| mrunge | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon#Agenda_for_April_8_2000_UTC | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | #chair mrunge | 20:23 |
| openstack | Current chairs: david-lyle mrunge | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | back in a minute | 20:23 |
| mrunge | lhcheng, you put django-1.7 and d-o-a and python-2.6 there | 20:24 |
| lhcheng | mrunge: yeah | 20:24 |
| lhcheng | so we have some work to add support for Django1.7 for horizon | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | I think we'll be ok to drop 2.6 | 20:25 |
| lhcheng | however, the DOA patch to update the django version to 1.7 have been failing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167942/ | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | just trying to determine the timeline right now | 20:25 |
| lhcheng | this is due to some django tests classes code that doesn't work with py26 | 20:25 |
| mrunge | yeah. correct. django-1.7 dropped py26 support | 20:26 |
| mrunge | so, django-1.6 is the last version supporting py26 | 20:26 |
| doug-fish | so what happens with d_o_a for icehouse or juno? no updates are available if you have py26? | 20:27 |
| mrunge | I think "we" (as OpenStack) decided in Paris(?) to drop support for Python-2.6 during Kilo dev cycle, right? | 20:27 |
| mrunge | doug-fish, there was ttx email about stable branches for libs etc. today | 20:28 |
| doug-fish | k, thx (looking) | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | next release of doa will be 1.2.0 and not have python 2.6 support | 20:29 |
| lhcheng | mrunge: what if there are security patches needed for icehouse or juno, how do we distribute the fix? | 20:29 |
| mrunge | lhcheng, I would expect via stable branch | 20:29 |
| mrunge | like for horizon | 20:29 |
| doug-fish | d_o_a doesn't have such a thing, does it? | 20:30 |
| lhcheng | mrunge: ah so we backport to the last version and re-release it to pypi? | 20:30 |
| mrunge | I would expect e.g 1.1.x to be pre-kilo | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng: we don't now | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | those versions are capped | 20:30 |
| mrunge | 1.2.x kilo | 20:30 |
| mrunge | and maybe 1.3.x for liberty (or so) | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | starting with kilo, we'll create a stable branch | 20:30 |
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| doug-fish | that's a good plan. I can understand that! | 20:31 |
| mrunge | I already have those for packages | 20:31 |
| mrunge | stable branches | 20:31 |
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| lhcheng | mrunge: ah 1.1.x sounds good, thanks! | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | ok looks like 1.2.0 is a possibility for Kilo | 20:32 |
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| mrunge | lhcheng, that's not set in stone yet | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: doa will have stable branch in its tree for kilo | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | just have to get there | 20:32 |
| mrunge | I would like to have some clearer versioning scheme | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | then kilo will have a capped version of d-o-a | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: than? | 20:33 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, maybe like 2015.1.x for kilo | 20:33 |
| mrunge | 2014.2.x for juno | 20:33 |
| mrunge | to have the clear relation | 20:33 |
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| david-lyle | not sure how that would work for requirements.txt | 20:34 |
| mrunge | but if we'd move d-o-a back in horizon, as mentioned sometime ago... | 20:34 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge: that's a conversation for the summit, but certainly a possibility | 20:35 |
| mrunge | 1.1.x < 2014.2 < 2015.1 | 20:35 |
| mrunge | so capping should be possible | 20:35 |
| mrunge | back to d-o-a and py26: are we fine with dropping py26 support? | 20:36 |
| mrunge | and disabling py26 based tests? | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: yes, checked and we are ok to doing that | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | I have the patch almost ready | 20:36 |
| mrunge | ok, great! | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | will push for review after the meeting | 20:36 |
| mrunge | thanks, could you please add me, I will review it asap | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | going to send an email to the dev ML to explain the requirements mismatch and the high possibility of a late release and g-r bump | 20:37 |
| lhcheng | ++ thanks david-lyle | 20:37 |
| mrunge | yes, thank you! | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | I'm worried we'll have install problems with 1.6 and 1.7 competing requirements for django cap | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 20:38 |
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| mrunge | as far as I understand that, we should be fine with django-1.7 | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I was worried about dependency resolution | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | depending how the two are packaged | 20:40 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, you mean, because of pip installing both? | 20:40 |
| mrunge | pip overwrites installed files happily | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: I was more worried about distro packaging | 20:41 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, yes, me too | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | so even though horizon supports 1.7 you would be limited to 1.6 | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | and hopefully the various packaging systems could handle that | 20:42 |
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| mrunge | david-lyle, I'm usually ignoring requirements.txt | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | which I'm not confident of | 20:42 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge: ok, the library already works with 1.7 in 1.0.9 | 20:42 |
| mrunge | I just take it as recommendation, and run the test suite during package build again | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | just for the target python version? | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | or py26 as well | 20:43 |
| mrunge | yes | 20:43 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, you can run run_tests.sh -N, which will run the test suite with installed versions | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: there is no run_test in django_openstack_auth | 20:44 |
| mrunge | quite handy, and it gives me a more confidence | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | but you just run it for horizon | 20:44 |
| mrunge | yes, correct | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | ok | 20:44 |
| mrunge | d-o-a is quite simple here. | 20:45 |
| mrunge | either works or not | 20:45 |
| mrunge | but this reminds me, we should integrate that more tightly in integration tests | 20:45 |
| mrunge | I mean, a d-o-a git checkout rather than released versions | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: that should be happening already as devstack clones d-o-a | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | err, maybe not anymore | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | :( | 20:47 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, we had the situation, that d-o-a broke horizon not that long ago | 20:47 |
| mrunge | imho lhcheng fixed that | 20:47 |
| mrunge | and he might have a better memory than me about that | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | looks like it's a configuration option in devstack now | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | will look into more how to turn it on | 20:50 |
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| david-lyle | the overall stability of the integration tests is not good | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | we need to rethink the tool sets a bit | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | I think | 20:50 |
| mrunge | yes! | 20:50 |
| lhcheng | mrunge: I haven't done anything to fix the d-o-a checkout on devstack test | 20:50 |
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| mrunge | hmm, I thought so | 20:51 |
| lhcheng | mrunge: just did a fix where horizon tests were failing for 1.8 | 20:51 |
| david-lyle | the behavior changed in devstack | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | I think as part of the whole library stabilization efforts | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | as a reminder: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-liberty-summit | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | a few minutes left today, anyone else? | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | s/anyone/anything/ | 20:54 |
| mattfarina | david-lyle when are the proposed sessions for liberty summit due? | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | mattfarina: the schedule is usually set a couple weeks before the summit | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | to make sure people have time to prep | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | but also want to make sure we get relevant/fresh topics | 20:56 |
| david-lyle | The PTL for the cycle selects the sessions, so it can't happen until after election season | 20:56 |
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| david-lyle | ok 2.6 removal patch up on DOA | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | running tests in the gate | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | and we're out of time | 20:59 |
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| david-lyle | Thanks for all the hard work on RC-1, we'll be working on Liberty by the next meeting. That is once RC-1 is but, master is open for Liberty. | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 21:00:13 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-04-08-19.59.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-04-08-19.59.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2015/horizon.2015-04-08-19.59.log.html | 21:00 |
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| mrunge | thank you all | 21:00 |
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