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| tjones | #startmeeting novabugscrub | 16:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 16:30:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
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| tjones | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 16:52:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novabugscrub/2014/novabugscrub.2014-07-16-16.30.html | 16:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novabugscrub/2014/novabugscrub.2014-07-16-16.30.txt | 16:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi neutron adv services’ team! | 17:30 |
| vinay_yadhav | Hi | 17:30 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 17:30 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 17:30 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 17:30 |
| Swami | hi all | 17:30 |
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| cgoncalves | hi, everyone! | 17:31 |
| pcm_ | hi | 17:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay lets get started | 17:31 |
| natarajk | hi | 17:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking Advanced Services | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 17:31:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/AdvancedServices | 17:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info Juno specification submission deadline: July 10th, specification approval deadline: july 20th | 17:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think i had earlier mentioned SAD to be july 17th | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its actually july 20th! | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we have a little more time than we thought we had | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that said, i think we are definitely starved on the reviewer attention from neutron cores | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so its an uphill task | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so a few people are not able to make it today for different reasons and provided their updates | 17:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Flavors | 17:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_ cannot make it, and i believe mark is on a vacation | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/102723 | 17:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there is also on an ongoing mailing list thread on this: | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040336.html | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for the latest set of discussions | 17:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | per enikanorov_ he has posted a WIP patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105982 | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the above is for the implementation, and makes certain assumptions on the spec | 17:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | from enikanorov_’s point of view the main pending item is the exposing of extensions list | 17:36 |
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| banix | hi everybody (sorry for being late) | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: np, welcome | 17:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think enikanorov_ and mark are not in agreement on the extensions list | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything we want to discuss here in that regard? | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know we have beaten this horse to death, so i dont know what to say :-) | 17:38 |
| dougwig | we could argue a bunch, just so it really feels like a flavors update. | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the topic of flavors that is | 17:38 |
| regXboi | is there any way we can get those two to agree on something and go forward with it? | 17:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: :-) | 17:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thats what we have been trying | 17:39 |
| regXboi | I was afraid that would be the answer | 17:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | dougwig: you had a specific point that you wanted to discuss or you were making the point, that we should move ahead | 17:39 |
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| cgoncalves | not much to say from my end. personally I've been not following closely the ongoing discussion. enikanorov_ and mark should first agree on the flavor proposal and then we can continue reviewing it | 17:40 |
| dougwig | i was just being snarky; no point. | 17:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | all i can say is that if we have a strong preference in terms of one approach versus the other, please make it known on the review | 17:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that might help in getting two opinions to reconcile | 17:41 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: good point | 17:41 |
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| garyduan | I think in the meeting dedicated to Flavor, we kind of make an agreement, right? | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there was also the other discussion on the service type but i think there is a better chance of consensus on that | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: apparently not on exposing the extensions’s list | 17:42 |
| garyduan | right. I saw discussion on the spec review | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alright, so can i request everyone to weigh on the review: #link https://review.openstack.org/102723 | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in the next day or so, more specifically in the context of the extensions discussion | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps looking at #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105982 | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | might help you to understand better | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | per the neutron project goals, flavors has a priority among the adv services’ blueprints, so please prioritize accordingluy | 17:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 17:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since cgoncalves is here | 17:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Traffic steering | 17:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Traffic steering (Meeting topic: Networking Advanced Services)" | 17:45 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92477 | 17:45 |
| cgoncalves | not much to report this week. there is no blockers | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: ok good | 17:46 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: i think salvatore is essentially suggesting posponing the flavor work to next cycle. | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that said, salvatore has put a comment that he prefers that this be deferred to K | 17:46 |
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| cgoncalves | Salvatore -1'ed suggesting postponing it to K cycle | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: you mean flavors or traffic steering? | 17:47 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: i was referring to flavors | 17:47 |
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| marios | o/ sorry am late, am still on another call | 17:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: ah ok, i did not catch that comment | 17:47 |
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| cgoncalves | banix: so salvatore is suggesting deferring at least three BPs to K? mmm | 17:47 |
| cgoncalves | TS, flavors and TAPaaS | 17:48 |
| banix | cgoncalves: i think so | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | what does the team here feel about the TS spec, are there any major disagreeents? | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves actually has the implementation in place for a long time | 17:49 |
| marios | service base & insertion still a possibility for J3 right? Or is that also k | 17:49 |
| mandeep | No technical concerns that I have heard of. | 17:49 |
| cgoncalves | regarding TS work, we should not be able to implement OVS support in time. we've internally a working ODL and ODL driver implementation. not sure we could open-source it as of now | 17:49 |
| banix | he is saying even if this is implemented (wrt flavors) it wont be used in code in this cycle so postpone to next cycle | 17:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: thats next in the agenda | 17:50 |
| marios | k thx sorry | 17:50 |
| LouisF | cgoncalves: have you considered the case of using the classifiers to branch to different ports? | 17:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: np | 17:50 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: yes. this week we integrated openstack+ODL. I've been testing it today | 17:50 |
| cgoncalves | LouisF: I did not forget your suggestion, although I've been trying to keep on track internally with the implementation side | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other questions for cgoncalves? | 17:51 |
| cgoncalves | LouisF: I *promise* I will not overlook your suggestion and will get back to you | 17:51 |
| LouisF | cgoncalves: thx | 17:52 |
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| cgoncalves | LouisF: sorry for that | 17:52 |
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| mandeep | But the process is that if we do not approve it in this cycle, we have to go over the approval process all over again for K. That seems like a significant waste of resources. | 17:52 |
| LouisF | cgoncalves: i would like to see that added to the bp | 17:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: i believe you are referring to: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronJunoProjectPlan | 17:53 |
| banix | mandeep: i think even if we approve, if code doesnt merge we need to get spec approved again. my understanding. need to verify. | 17:53 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: if most non-core reviewers keep their +1 votes, it should be fast to get +2s | 17:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i think that is correct | 17:54 |
| cgoncalves | banix: yeah, my understanding as well | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: if only! | 17:54 |
| banix | cgoncalves: is the optimist today! | 17:54 |
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| cgoncalves | hehe :D | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok any other questions for cgoncalves? | 17:54 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: I am told that it is not how it has typically happened in past | 17:54 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: :-( | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service base definition and Insertion | 17:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93128 | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | both kanzhe and s3wong are not able to make it today | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the latest update from s3wong was that he had posted a new patchset and there are no outstadanding comments | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong also has been working on the implementation based on what Kanzhe had done before with the API and DB code | 17:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there was an action item from last week for s3wong and marios to reachout to the VPNaaS team on the removal of the router_id attribute from the VPNaaS model (in the context of this spec) | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think the plan for now is to not remove it | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: is that right? | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at least not being suggested in the spec | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and put it on the deprecation path if we make progress with this service insertion model | 17:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any other questions on this? | 18:00 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: right, sorry, still on a call | 18:00 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: its not a blocker but something to think about | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: no worries | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios: yes definitely | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Chaining | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93524 | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: there? | 18:01 |
| mandeep | No significant updates this week. | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: ok, i felt that this was pretty well speced out | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: and the only -1 was from me for not having an example | 18:01 |
| mandeep | There was a request for CLI example, and I will work with songle to add that | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songle -< songole | 18:02 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks@ | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe he needs to be added to the spec as well? | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for mandeep on the service chaining spec? | 18:02 |
| mandeep | Yes, the plan was to add both at the same time | 18:02 |
| LouisF | mandeep: what is plan for horizon chnages? | 18:03 |
| cathy_ | I have a quesiton on the port, needs Mandeep to confirm | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: go ahead | 18:03 |
| cathy_ | So from the replies, it seems the port is the ingress port of the service chain, right? | 18:03 |
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| mandeep | LouisF: No plan yet on horizon | 18:03 |
| mandeep | cathy_: The port identifies the traffic to which the services apply, it does not require that be the ingress/egress port | 18:04 |
| mandeep | cathy_: That is left to the implementation | 18:04 |
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| hemanthravi | mandeep: can we view the chain itself as a service, in which case it could | 18:05 |
| LouisF | mandeep: but is does represent the start of the service chain - right? | 18:05 |
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| hemanthravi | have attachment ports (multiple) like a service | 18:05 |
| LouisF | it | 18:05 |
| mandeep | hemanthravi: YEs you could, but then it would have to inherit from serviceBase and that implies service ports etc. | 18:05 |
| hemanthravi | mandeep: and those could be ingress/egress | 18:05 |
| cathy_ | This classifier will identify the traffic, what do you mean by the port identify the traffic? every service port along the service chain needs to identify the traffic | 18:05 |
| mandeep | LouisF: It can be implemented that way | 18:05 |
| mandeep | cathy_: There is no service port specified, or required, in the chaining API | 18:06 |
| LouisF | mandeep: or the port can be ignored and a gbp redirect action to steer traffic to the service chain | 18:07 |
| mandeep | cathy_: Also, no classifier is specified in the chaining spec | 18:07 |
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| mandeep | LouisF: That would depend on GBP's usage of service chain, that would be covered in GBP spec (still work in progress) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: so all traffic that hits the particular port is subject to the chain? | 18:08 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Correct. There is no other classifier or service port | 18:08 |
| cathy_ | I am saying that becasue you said the port is for idnetifying the traffic. I think the spec might need to explain more clearly about what that port refers to? Maybe in more concrete examples so people will not misunderstand it since "port" is used in many places and mean differently in different scenarios | 18:08 |
| mandeep | cathy_: In the example, bullet #3 tries to do exactly that | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: and you could potentially use a classifier and steering to direct traffic to that port (but thats independent of this spec)? | 18:09 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: That is probably better handeled in the service spec (for example by TS) | 18:09 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: And it does not help to recreate that functionality in chaining spec | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: okay, yeah that is how i understood this | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: does that answer your question? | 18:10 |
| mandeep | cathy_: When we add CLI, perhaps that will be clearer? | 18:11 |
| mandeep | cathy_: When we add CLI for the example, perhaps that will be clearer? | 18:11 |
| cathy_ | not really. There are so many ports involves in a service chain (I am not talking about the API), it is still not clear which port this "port" in the API refers to? | 18:11 |
| cathy_ | OK, let's see the CLI | 18:11 |
| cathy_ | Thanks | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: if i understand what mandeep is saying, the use of classifier and steering is complementary to this service chaining spec | 18:11 |
| mandeep | cathy_: The spec has only one type of port - neutron port. There is NO other port in the spec. | 18:12 |
| mandeep | cathy_: Where did you see reference to any other port in the BP? | 18:12 |
| cathy_ | But there are multiple neutron ports involved in a service chain, right? | 18:12 |
| cathy_ | Each service funciton could have a attachment neutron port, right? | 18:12 |
| mandeep | cathy_: No. Not in this spec. That is an impelentation choice (and one may choose not to implement any service ports) | 18:13 |
| LouisF | mandeep: you mean item 2 on line 148 | 18:13 |
| cathy_ | I am not talking about the port in BP. I am talking about in general, a service chain consists of a sequence of service function instances and each instance has a port. | 18:13 |
| hemanthravi | odl gbp chaining (https://meetings.opendaylight.org/opendaylight-group-policy/2014/gbp_usecase/opendaylight-group-policy-gbp_usecase.2014-07-14-20.03.html) refers to a in/out terminal for a chain | 18:13 |
| mandeep | cathy_: Do not confuse a specific provider's choice with the API intent | 18:13 |
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| mandeep | hemanthravi: This is not refering to ODL chain, that is a different project | 18:14 |
| hemanthravi | mandeep: thought the disc could be useful for the model | 18:14 |
| mandeep | LouisF: Let me check the line numbers | 18:14 |
| mandeep | hemanthravi: ODL chain is closer to TS implementation of this spec | 18:15 |
| cgoncalves | the ODL SFC is a whole new beast :-) | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: yeah i believe cgoncalves has mapped that to ODL | 18:15 |
| cathy_ | mandeep: looks like people have confusion about the "port" in SC BP. I think more examples could help to make it clear, such as in the scenario that a chain is composed of multiple service instances, then which port does thi "SC BP port" refers to? | 18:15 |
| hemanthravi | mandeep: got it | 18:15 |
| mandeep | hemanthravi: This is a declarative spec (what I want), not a imperative spec (how to do it) - like TS or ODL are | 18:15 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: yes. we've extended ODL and added Neutron TS API as well as its implementation | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe the cloud abstraction is different from a network controller abstraction | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which i believe is being reflected in mandeep’s spec (say as compared to the ODL spec) | 18:16 |
| mandeep | As in the example, the port refers to a an existing neutron port. No new types of ports are specified | 18:17 |
| mandeep | cathy_: (that was the example that I refered to in bullet #3 above) | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, cathy perhaps you can put the comment on the spec, i believe mandeep is already planning a new rev to address that (i had a similar comment on the spec) | 18:17 |
| cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: OK, sure, will do | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: thanks | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | moving on | 18:18 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: I've not had time to review your latest SC bp patchset, but 'port' is an existing neutron port associated to a e.g. neutron service or a SC entry point for traffic? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Tap as a Service spec | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 18:18 |
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| mandeep | cgoncalves: Yes, that is exactly right. | 18:19 |
| vinay_yadhav | We found some opposition form Salvatore Orlando | 18:19 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: which one of the two options? :-) | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: one sec | 18:19 |
| vinay_yadhav | sorry | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: lets wrap this one | 18:19 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: And that was what I was trying to explain to cathy_, the port refers to an existing neutron port (as in the example) and not a service port | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: no worries | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: sound okay? | 18:20 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: ok. I will definitly need to to review it to get a better looking of it. thanks | 18:20 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam, vinay_yadhav: sorry for that. please continue | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh it was cgoncalves who had the question | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Tap as a Service spec | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96149 | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: sorry, go ahead | 18:21 |
| vinay_yadhav | Armando and Salvatore had some objections to the spec | 18:21 |
| cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: I have the same question as cgoncalves , looks like the "port" in SC is the entry point for traffic? | 18:21 |
| cathy_ | anyway I will post the comment again | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: thanks :-) | 18:22 |
| vinay_yadhav | they basically do not want 'tap' aas but as a port mirror extension | 18:22 |
| vinay_yadhav | but i guess we have discussed this in the last summit and decided to have it as a service | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: i dont have any strong feelings on that | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is anil_rao here? | 18:23 |
| vinay_yadhav | i guess so | 18:23 |
| anil_rao | Tap-aaS is more generic in my opinion because other possible implementations can be done in the future | 18:23 |
| anil_rao | for the first version we are planning to rely on port-mirorring but this doesn't have to be the case for other situations. | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao: yes, i believe port mirroring in this case is one/first feature | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao: if i understand your comment correctly | 18:24 |
| mandeep | IMO, When you start extending TaaS with de-dup or time-stamps, it really becomes more of a service and less of a port "feature" | 18:25 |
| anil_rao | that is correct. | 18:25 |
| cgoncalves | vinay_yadhav: in cloud, everything is (or should be) *aaS so I see not much reason in suffixing it with "as a service". 'port mirroring' though potentially be more self-explanatory | 18:25 |
| vinay_yadhav | correct | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont see what the big issue is with the name though | 18:25 |
| cgoncalves | vinay_yadhav: having said that, expect no -1 vote just because of that | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the point is whether this is being offere as a service abstraction or not | 18:26 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: IMO *aaS is cosmetic matter, I guess we could have called FWaaS as FW and VPNaaS as VPN ... | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you can call it tap as a service or just a tap | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: ah, just the point i was trying to make | 18:26 |
| vinay_yadhav | mandeep: agreed | 18:26 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: in the end, it's all about fancy names | 18:27 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: The real question is, is it a "service" with a distinct resource API or "feature" that extends an existing resource | 18:27 |
| vinay_yadhav | also i want to know the opinion of other reviewers on whether we should have it as service or a extension API | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: exactly, and i believe what is being proposed is a service, right? | 18:28 |
| mandeep | vinay_yadhav: Is that "new resource" vs. "extending existing resources" question? | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that was not meant for mandeep specifically, that was a question for vinay_yadhav and anil_rao | 18:28 |
| vinay_yadhav | yes | 18:28 |
| vinay_yadhav | we are proposing Tap as a resource | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | changing the name does not change the fact that this is a service interface, if that is the approach we want to take | 18:28 |
| vinay_yadhav | yes | 18:29 |
| anil_rao | The service abstraction allows more room for growth, so I will recommend that we stay with it. | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao: i tend to agree | 18:29 |
| vinay_yadhav | anil: agreed, that was the idea | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao vinay_yadhav: can you please provide a response on the review to that effect | 18:29 |
| anil_rao | Sure will do | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we can hopefully move on from there | 18:29 |
| vinay_yadhav | yes we will | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav anil_rao: thanks | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok we have hit our time | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic open discussion | 18:30 |
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| mandeep | anil_rao: Specifically handling something like (distributed) de-dup is probably not representable as an extension to existing resources | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if there is nothing else, we can wrap up here | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: agree | 18:30 |
| anil_rao | mandeep: exactly. | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets wrap it up | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks for all your reviews and work on the patches | 18:30 |
| banix | thanks | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets keep up the momentum and hopefully we can get the specs approved in time | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all, bye! | 18:31 |
| cgoncalves | cya! | 18:31 |
| anil_rao | Bye! | 18:31 |
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| mandeep | bye | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 18:31:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:31 |
| pcm_ | bye | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-07-16-17.31.html | 18:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-07-16-17.31.txt | 18:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-07-16-17.31.log.html | 18:31 |
| vinay_yadhav | bye | 18:31 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | bye | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi FWaaS team! | 18:31 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK yisun garyduan badveli_ natarajk: there | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 18:32 |
| natarajk | hi | 18:32 |
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| * pcm_ lurking, as usual | 18:32 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | pcm_: hi thanks for joining as well | 18:32 |
| badveli_ | yes | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:32 |
| pcm_ | nothing better to do :) | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 18:32:56 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:32 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Action Item follow up | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the pending action item was to set up a meeting with the DVR folks | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thanks SridarK for leading on this, i believe we had two meetings with the DVR team, and we are making good progress | 18:34 |
| beyounn | hi | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will get to that specific topic in the DVR related update | 18:34 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: no worries - spec is out - and thanks to Yi & badveli_ as well | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets jump to that | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic DVR discussion | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/106225 | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks SridarK badveli_ and yisun for getting posted | 18:35 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will address ur comment and reflect the minor changes suggested by DVR team | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks to swami as well for his support and being the liason on the DVR side | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: great | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | another procedural matter, we need to make sure that this gets discussed in the L3 team meeting as well | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the one that is tomorrow | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will send out an email | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: you will be attending that meeting? | 18:36 |
| beyounn | I have a conflict meeting | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok, SridarK badveli_? | 18:37 |
| beyounn | Wed morning 8:00 is not good for me | 18:37 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i can attend | 18:37 |
| badveli_ | yes | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK badveli_: nice | 18:37 |
| badveli_ | i will attend | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam to inform Swami to bring up the FWaaS support proposal in the L3 team meeting | 18:38 |
| beyounn | badveli_: you can also help on the implementation, right? | 18:38 |
| badveli_ | yes | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: nice | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: can you summarize today morning’s discussion for everyone’s benefit here? | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: sorry to put you on the spot | 18:39 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 18:39 |
| SridarK | We will cover N - S usecase | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think yapeng is here | 18:39 |
| SridarK | We will not break E -W usecases | 18:39 |
| SridarK | Target FW rules on the SNAT namespace on network Node | 18:39 |
| SridarK | Target FW rules on FIP/IR namespace on the Compute Nodes | 18:40 |
| SridarK | We will not try to optimize FW rules for distribution | 18:40 |
| SridarK | Focus on correctness | 18:41 |
| SridarK | ok that is the rough summary | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so for FIP, we decided to apply in the IR namespace, right? | 18:42 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think Swami's suggestion was to keep that open but yes we will target IR namespace | 18:42 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: mainly for the purposes of the spec but initial attempt is to get it on the IR NS with a tag for traffic on the interface associated with the FIP NS | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: wasnt the suggestion to keep the specifics of the interface names open? | 18:44 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: that as well | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: but we agreed on the IR namespace | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ah ok | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is garyduan here? | 18:44 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes but just for now to name it as FIP/IR NS to give us some options just in case ... | 18:45 |
| beyounn | Gary is in meeting until now | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay | 18:46 |
| beyounn | Sorry, he is still in meeting | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: i wanted to check with garyduan if he is comfortable with the approach we are taking | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: have you looked at the proposal? | 18:46 |
| natarajk | yes | 18:47 |
| beyounn | Sumit: I had a quick chat with him, he is fine | 18:47 |
| natarajk | I have been reviewing the DVR FWaas spec udpate | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn natarajk: ok | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there was also a suggestion from swami for a f2f meeting | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe after july 25th | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets discuss that offline and decide on date | 18:48 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: +1 - i think that will be useful | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so on this topic, our first focus has to be get the spec approved | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK badveli_: perhaps good to attempt a DVR installation with the links that were sent out earlier | 18:50 |
| badveli_ | fine sumit | 18:51 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: Will get the updates in and reach out to FWaaS, DVR team and cores for review by late afternoon | 18:51 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will try that - badveli_ and i can sync up on this | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK badveli_: thanks! | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is there anything else we need to discuss on this? | 18:52 |
| SridarK | no worries, i think i am good | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Objects | 18:52 |
| badveli_ | we need to figure out the fip interface | 18:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Service Objects (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:52 | |
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| badveli_ | sorry, will send out a mail on fip interface after testing | 18:53 |
| badveli_ | please continue | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/94133 | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: there? | 18:54 |
| badveli_ | yes, he is in a meeting | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, i have +2’ed the patch | 18:54 |
| badveli_ | thanks sumit | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need to reach out to nachi, kyle and akihiro | 18:55 |
| beyounn | Sumit: Gary sent eamil to akihiro. I will reach out nachi and kyle after my current meeting | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: nice | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: any blockers for you? | 18:55 |
| beyounn | hop, I'm real good now | 18:56 |
| beyounn | And thanks everyone for the helps !!!!!! | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic flavors support | 18:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "flavors support (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:57 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i wanted to garyduan’s opinion on this | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | salvatore has asked a question on the flavor’s spec whether it is feasible for implementation in the juno time frame if the spec is approved | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | of course this depends on what gets approved | 18:58 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: by the looks of the discussion i wonder if we will be able to move to this | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i would like garyduan to respond to that question in the review | 18:59 |
| SridarK | even if it gets approved - our time line will be quite tight i guess | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: however garyduan really wanted this to land to enable vendor driver support | 19:00 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: but if it gets delayed we will be asking the same question in K | 19:00 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: my fear | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn badveli_: can you please convey to garyduan my earlier request? | 19:00 |
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| badveli_ | yes i will talk to him | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: ok thanks this has to be done today | 19:01 |
| badveli_ | ok, will talk to him | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action garyduan to respond to salvatore’s question on implementation feasiblity in #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102723/ | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 19:02 | |
| garyduan | Hi, I am back. Sorry about that. | 19:03 |
| SridarK | enikanorov_: has assigned one of the new bugs to himself | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: link? | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: hopefully you can scroll to the discussion earlier on flavors | 19:04 |
| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1340735 | 19:04 |
| SridarK | another issue on tempest: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1342516 - review is out | 19:05 |
| SridarK | those i believe were the new bugs for this week | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think we can do anything about #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1340735 | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since we are at the mercy of the l3 agent kicking in for the firewall deletion | 19:05 |
| SridarK | yes | 19:06 |
| SridarK | another old one: | 19:06 |
| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1310857 | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: enikanorov_ might have assigned it to himself for triaging purposes | 19:06 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes i think so too | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: he probably does not intend to implement it | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i will comment on the bug report | 19:06 |
| SridarK | ok cool | 19:07 |
| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90575/ for #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1310857 | 19:07 |
| badveli_ | sridark info how do you look at the bugs assigned in fwaas, is there any link that you have created | 19:07 |
| SridarK | i think we are good | 19:07 |
| SridarK | on that needs mark to chime in on his comment | 19:07 |
| badveli_ | sridark or are we search it | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: i have posted a link on the wiki | 19:08 |
| badveli_ | sumit:new bugs filed that are coming | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli_: the link is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack/+bugs?field.searchtext=fwaas&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this gives everything related to FWaaS across all the projects | 19:08 |
| badveli_ | thanks sumit | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: on https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1342516 | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its probably not specific to fwaas right? | 19:09 |
| SridarK | nothing really specific to us | 19:09 |
| SridarK | yes | 19:09 |
| SridarK | just lands up on our radar | 19:10 |
| SridarK | because of fwaas string | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its probably just the case that in this example it shows up with the fwaas test | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so for #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90575/ mark’s comment has been responded to, right? | 19:12 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thankfully the -2 is not there any more! | 19:12 |
| SridarK | the assignee has fixed it | 19:12 |
| SridarK | and Mark took out his -2 | 19:12 |
| SridarK | and now there is a -1 | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | wow, i think that must be a first! | 19:13 |
| SridarK | but this looks good | 19:13 |
| SridarK | :-) | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are blessed! | 19:13 |
| SridarK | I will ping SridharG (the submitter) to reach out | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks much | 19:13 |
| SridarK | no worries | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else on the bugs radar? | 19:14 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: nothing major to report | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks | 19:14 |
| SridarK | np at all | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Vendor Blueprints | 19:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vendor Blueprints (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 19:15 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK natarajk: can you add your blueprint specs here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS#Blueprint_Tracking | 19:15 |
| natarajk | sure | 19:16 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will do | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk SridarK: thanks | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: link to your bp? | 19:16 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: #link #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105373/ | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so we have a dependency here on Bob’s patch? | 19:16 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: also the dependency that i was waiting on just got approved 2 mins ago | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: oh good | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i can look at it then | 19:17 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: so we are good on the dependency - i will respond to Kyle's -1 and hopefully we will get this moving | 19:17 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: thanks much for ur help on this | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: actually kyle removed his -1 | 19:17 |
| SridarK | aah great | 19:17 |
| SridarK | ok i just seer that too | 19:18 |
| SridarK | *see | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: link to your blueprint spec? | 19:18 |
| SridarK | we are on real time | 19:18 |
| natarajk | Sumit, i am still going through l3 plugin review | 19:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: ah ok | 19:19 |
| natarajk | I'll submit the spec, but i am also waiting for flavors framework | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: ok | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: i believe its too late now to submit a new blueprint spec | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: that dealine was on july 10th | 19:20 |
| natarajk | Sumit, my focus has been to get the l3 spec and code approved | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the spec approval deadline is July 20th | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: sure, sounds like the right priority | 19:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i was earlier misreporting the SAD to be july 17th | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that means that we have a couple of more days than we expected | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so its a good thing | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else on the vendor blueprints | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 19:22 |
| natarajk | if l3 code get approved, i can work on firewall plugin (if vendor extensions or flavor is accepted by the community) | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: sure, that i believe will be for K release then | 19:22 |
| natarajk | Sumit, yes | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: good | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic open discussion | 19:24 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will also reach out to s3wong on plans for service insertion | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah sure, thanks | 19:24 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will be great if we can get that in | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah! its very frustrating | 19:25 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: the third time is a charm so lets hope that works :-( | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah! | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: so you will respond on the flavors review? | 19:26 |
| garyduan | yes | 19:27 |
| garyduan | I will add my comment to the spec | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: thanks | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, if nothing else, lets call it a wrap | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks everynone for attending, bye! | 19:28 |
| SridarK | thanks | 19:28 |
| SridarK | bye | 19:28 |
| natarajk | bye | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not to forget that we have immediate work to do on the DVR front | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:28 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 19:28 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 19:28:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-07-16-18.32.html | 19:28 |
| garyduan | thanks | 19:28 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-07-16-18.32.txt | 19:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-07-16-18.32.log.html | 19:29 |
| garyduan | bye | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks | 19:29 |
| SridarK | np at all thanks | 19:29 |
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