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| openstackgerrit | Shuangtai Tian proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Remove dependent module py3kcompat from marconi https://review.openstack.org/73493 | 08:57 |
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| malini | flaper87: ping | 11:45 |
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| malini | good morning & qq - trying to get the question to you before my daughter wakes up :D | 11:46 |
| malini | flaper87: is there any reason why we dont have separate statements for ubuntu/ fedora here https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/marconi#L70 | 11:47 |
| malini | doesnt it need something similar to https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/marconi#L108 ? | 11:48 |
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| flaper87 | malini_afk: pong | 12:15 |
| flaper87 | malini_afk: no need for separate statement since it is running an actual mongodb command which is the same for both distro | 12:17 |
| flaper87 | that basically logs in to mongodb, runs that js and exists | 12:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Shuangtai Tian proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Sync common modules from olso and remove py3kcompat https://review.openstack.org/73493 | 12:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/marconi: Fix misspellings in marconi https://review.openstack.org/71779 | 13:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Diane Fleming proposed a change to openstack/marconi: adds docs directory with dev guide https://review.openstack.org/72001 | 14:19 |
| alcabrera | Good morning! :D | 14:19 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: there you are | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: good morning! | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | :) | 14:22 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: :) | 14:22 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: comments comments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71335/ | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: I also commented here. I'd love to get your thoughts about my comments: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72614/ | 14:23 |
| flaper87 | but don't tell kgriffs_afk | 14:23 |
| alcabrera | hehe | 14:24 |
| alcabrera | I'll check 'em out before our meeting. It's going to be awesome finalizing those sqlz | 14:24 |
| flaper87 | yeah, ykaplan is working on that as we speak | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | she's just to shy to share the awesome work she's doing | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | OOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS | 14:25 |
| flaper87 | did I just say that? | 14:25 |
| alcabrera | hehe | 14:25 |
| * flaper87 hides from ykaplan | 14:25 | |
| ykaplan | :D | 14:25 |
| alcabrera | ykaplan: thanks for all your help. :D | 14:25 |
| alcabrera | it's really appreciated. We wouldn't be this far along with sql if not for your efforts. | 14:26 |
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| ykaplan | alcabrera: :) | 14:26 |
| ykaplan | thanks :) | 14:26 |
| ykaplan | Just trying to get rid of all of the bugs | 14:27 |
| ykaplan | ;) | 14:27 |
| alcabrera | I'll have to do the same shortly on the catalogue and shards side! | 14:27 |
| alcabrera | Hopefully, we can both finish this up soon and move on to other cool things. :) | 14:27 |
| ykaplan | Amen to that :) | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: ykaplan you people that can't write bugless code... pfffffff | 14:29 |
| alcabrera | lol | 14:29 |
| ykaplan | flaper87, I thought you were hiding :P | 14:29 |
| alcabrera | Yeah, I totally couldn't do it. :P | 14:29 |
| flaper87 | ykaplan: internet is everywhere :D | 14:30 |
| * flaper87 hopes that internet won't say where he is | 14:30 | |
| flaper87 | or should I say: "Internet is in the air" ? | 14:30 |
| ykaplan | :D :D :D | 14:31 |
| ykaplan | People are starting to wonder why I'm laughing so loud | 14:31 |
| flaper87 | seriously, why can't we have some kind of O2I1 ? | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | That's some kind of 2 molecules of Oxigen and 1 of internet | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | that would be AWESOME! | 14:32 |
| alcabrera | lol | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | we would be able to breath internet | 14:32 |
| ykaplan | lol2 | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | and surf the web at anytime and FOR FREE | 14:32 |
| alcabrera | because of all the bytes, flaper87. They'd run out. We don't want a bytes shortage! D: | 14:32 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: LOOOL | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | there would be serious security issues. We'd have super interesting security algorithms | 14:33 |
| flaper87 | I'd be breathing YOUR data | 14:33 |
| alcabrera | the secret is that as we exhale data, we'd have to encode it using our public keys. | 14:33 |
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| alcabrera | It's be seriously distributed public key crypto. | 14:34 |
| * flaper87 can picture himself saying: "Ahh this smells like Marconi's IRC channel" | 14:34 | |
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| kgriffs | o/ | 14:47 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: good morning. :) | 14:48 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: little README change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74172/ | 14:48 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: approved. :) | 14:49 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: morning | 14:52 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: so, I heard a nasty rumor that there's something you guys were planning not to tell me. ;) | 14:52 |
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| flaper87 | kgriffs: alcabrare has been keeping things from you | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I told him not to do that | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | that's not nice, nooot nice | 14:53 |
| flaper87 | then ykaplan started supporting him | 14:53 |
| * alcabrera keeps all the secrets, scrypt'd and all | 14:53 | |
| alcabrera | no leaks | 14:53 |
| alcabrera | none | 14:53 |
| * alcabrera hides flaper87 | 14:53 | |
| kgriffs | flaper87: Buon pomeriggio! | 14:53 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/marconi: doc(README): Have the user pass '-v' when starting marconi-server https://review.openstack.org/74172 | 14:53 |
| kgriffs | lol | 14:54 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: buongiorno a te! | 14:54 |
| kgriffs | I'm going to create a website | 14:54 |
| kgriffs | MarconiLeaks.org | 14:54 |
| sriram | haha.. :D | 14:55 |
| kgriffs | you know, so that whistleblowers have a way to get the word out without fear of retribution from alcabrera. | 14:56 |
| alcabrera | oh yes | 14:56 |
| alcabrera | I mean | 14:56 |
| alcabrera | no | 14:56 |
| alcabrera | that's not good | 14:56 |
| kgriffs | cause, you know, he's a bit of a tyrant. ;) | 14:56 |
| * alcabrera net-neutralizes MarconiLeaks.org - too much copyrighted content, yes | 14:56 | |
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| alcabrera | meeting? :) | 14:59 |
| flaper87 | yup | 14:59 |
| sriram | o/ | 14:59 |
| alcabrera | sriram: join us in openstack-meeting-alt :) | 15:00 |
| alcabrera | nvm, you're there. :P | 15:00 |
| sriram | alcabrera: i'm there :P | 15:00 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: join us for a meeting :P | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | ah crap | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | and here I was nice and early | 15:03 |
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| kgriffs | got distracted by gerrit | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | bad gerrit! bad! | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:04 |
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| alcabrera | alright - lots more to cover for next meeting | 16:01 |
| alcabrera | we may have to do a mini-review of v1.1 in #marconi sometime this week | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | yeah | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | so, any changes for 1.1 from the meeting I missed? | 16:02 |
| alcabrera | hmmm | 16:02 |
| alcabrera | I remember something about decisions to support a /pop operation | 16:03 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: ? | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | how is that different from claim with limit=1 ? | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | or does it pop and delete? | 16:03 |
| alcabrera | I think it was a pop and delete | 16:04 |
| alcabrera | atomically | 16:04 |
| flaper87 | sorry guys, back! I got a bit distracted w/ other things | 16:04 |
| alcabrera | no worries | 16:04 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: pop deletes | 16:04 |
| flaper87 | we decided not doing gack because that's claim?limit=1 | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | ok | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: is pop something you are proposing for v1.1? | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | or later? | 16:05 |
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| flaper87 | v1.1 | 16:06 |
| kgriffs | I think it would be ok to try to get it in for v1.1 but only if we decide, like, now | 16:06 |
| alcabrera | notes here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-02-11-15.01.html | 16:06 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: ok, then can you add it to the spec? | 16:06 |
| alcabrera | re: gack / pop | 16:06 |
| kgriffs | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/specs/api/v1.1 | 16:06 |
| malini | flaper87: I need some devstack insight when you have a moment | 16:06 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I will add it | 16:06 |
| kgriffs | malini: btw, will you have time later this week to work on v1.1 tests? | 16:07 |
| flaper87 | malini: shoot | 16:07 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: thanks! | 16:07 |
| malini | kgriffs: what takes priority - sqlalchemy or v1.1? | 16:07 |
| kgriffs | sqlalchemy | 16:07 |
| mpanetta | gack? Isn't that the stuff nickalodian used to dump on people? | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | we can slip v1.1 if we have to, although I'd rather not | 16:08 |
| kgriffs | mpanetta: sounds about right. :) | 16:08 |
| malini | flaper87: do we need OS specific statements here https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/marconi#L70 - fedora vs ubuntu | 16:08 |
| flaper87 | malini: I replied this morning :D | 16:09 |
| flaper87 | malini: nope, we don't :) | 16:09 |
| flaper87 | I mean, your morning | 16:09 |
| malini | flaper87: seems like I lost it :( | 16:09 |
| flaper87 | malini: that's a mongodb command so, it should be the same in every case | 16:09 |
| flaper87 | malini: thought so, no worries | 16:09 |
| mpanetta | kgriffs: hah | 16:09 |
| malini | flaper87: I am getting a '/home/stack/devstack/lib/marconi: line 71: mongo: command not found' on RHEL | 16:10 |
| alcabrera | hmmm, that implies to me that mongo is not being installed :x | 16:10 |
| flaper87 | malini: ah damn, that's becuase ubuntu splits the server from the client | 16:10 |
| flaper87 | malini: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/mongodb-clients | 16:11 |
| flaper87 | you need to add that package to the mongodb dependencies for ubuntu | 16:11 |
| malini | flaper87: I am getting tht message on rhel | 16:11 |
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| flaper87 | malini: then you need to add that package for both | 16:12 |
| flaper87 | :D | 16:12 |
| malini | :D | 16:12 |
| * flaper87 is happy to know that malini is using RHEL | 16:12 | |
| malini | I am contributing to ur paycheck ;) | 16:12 |
| mpanetta | haha | 16:12 |
| flaper87 | malini: and many other folks too :D | 16:13 |
| flaper87 | I mean, you're contributing to many other folks paycheck | 16:14 |
| malini | I feel very benevolent now :D | 16:14 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 16:14 |
| flaper87 | malini: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/mongodb/ fedora's package seems to provide everything | 16:14 |
| * sriram catches up | 16:15 | |
| malini | flaper87: the gating jobs use fedora & ubuntu, rt? | 16:15 |
| flaper87 | malini: ubuntu | 16:15 |
| flaper87 | gates run ubuntu precise | 16:15 |
| malini | flaper87: aah ok | 16:15 |
| flaper87 | then you're not contributing to may pay check | 16:16 |
| malini | :D | 16:16 |
| flaper87 | bad malini, bad! | 16:16 |
| malini | I can give you a pop-tart ;) | 16:16 |
| flaper87 | malini: ok ok, I'll take it | 16:17 |
| alcabrera | oz_akan_: looking at the marcon installation guide | 16:24 |
| alcabrera | *marconi | 16:24 |
| alcabrera | https://stackedit.io/viewer#!provider=gist&gistId=9071601&filename=marconi-installation-guide | 16:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Kurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: feat(v1.1): Plumb v1.1 API in the WSGI transport https://review.openstack.org/74044 | 16:24 |
| alcabrera | is the "concepts" section necessary? Wouldn't that be covered in the user's guide? | 16:24 |
| oz_akan_ | http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/ | 16:25 |
| alcabrera | ah, I see | 16:25 |
| kgriffs | flaper87, alcabrera, balajiiyer: can I get some reviews on this within the next hour or two? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74044/ | 16:25 |
| oz_akan_ | http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/keystone-concepts.html | 16:25 |
| alcabrera | the content is replicated a bit | 16:25 |
| alcabrera | cool | 16:25 |
| oz_akan_ | usually there is a short section about concepts | 16:25 |
| oz_akan_ | on the installation guide | 16:25 |
| oz_akan_ | and anyone can skip that section anyways | 16:26 |
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| alcabrera | +1 | 16:26 |
| alcabrera | it's looking good so far | 16:26 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: is the -1 from Jenkins on this docs patch being addressed? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72001/ | 16:27 |
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| balajiiyer | kgriffs: so pecan, how important it is for graduation? can we still graduate with Falcon? Doing it the pecan way + benchmarks is going to take time. | 16:27 |
| kgriffs | I don't doubt it will take time | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | the requirement from the TC was to evaluate pecan before we can graduate | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | what "evaluate" means is open to interpretation | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | (i suppose) | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | hmm | 16:28 |
| alcabrera | the outlook is cloudy, since evaluation criteria is nebulous | 16:29 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: +2 on v1.1 patch | 16:29 |
| kgriffs | kewl | 16:29 |
| kgriffs | (wrt patch) | 16:29 |
| balajiiyer | Im going to submit patches for Pecan after some re-work, you guys take a look at it and evaluate | 16:30 |
| alcabrera | balajiiyer: thanks! | 16:30 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: so, how far away from just being able to benchmark? | 16:31 |
| kgriffs | even if the code could be prettier | 16:31 |
| balajiiyer | I have a working queues controller, that does CRUD. | 16:31 |
| balajiiyer | I can use that I suppose | 16:31 |
| kgriffs | because, I suspect that making the code prettier won't have a much impact on perf | 16:31 |
| kgriffs | malini: what do you think? | 16:32 |
| kgriffs | would the queues controller be sufficient for benchmarking? | 16:32 |
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| alcabrera | balajiiyer: you fixed the queues controller? I couldn't get it to even create queues when I was working with it. :x | 16:33 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: if you had until the end of the week, would that make a difference? | 16:34 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: or say, EOD monday | 16:34 |
| kgriffs | so, here's the deal | 16:34 |
| kgriffs | if we want to graduate to be integrated in Juno, they could require us to remove Falcon if our evaluation shows it is viable to use Pecan | 16:35 |
| kgriffs | but I suspect that requirement would be to do that work during Juno | 16:35 |
| kgriffs | the only catch is that infra may push back and say they don't want to add Falcon as a dependency in the meantime | 16:36 |
| malini | *catching up* | 16:36 |
| kgriffs | the other way this could go is everyone just chills out and realizes that having a single tool isn't actually a net win for the foundation | 16:36 |
| alcabrera | speaking frankly, that would be an awful outcome - to be required to rewrite marconi using pecan | 16:36 |
| kgriffs | see also: http://blog.kgriffs.com/2014/01/08/software-standardization-manifesto.html | 16:37 |
| alcabrera | I hope (and will advocate) for the second outcome | 16:37 |
| malini | if`folks are ok with using tsung for benchmarks, we can do it pretty fast | 16:37 |
| malini | It's just changing the end point to use falcon implemenation vs pecan | 16:37 |
| balajiiyer | malini: yeah, thats what Im thinking. you could use tsung, while I look at AB | 16:37 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: how about you and malini benchmark your queues endpoints in an A/B test against the falcon driver? | 16:38 |
| malini | balajiiyer: with AB you can do only one endpint at a time | 16:38 |
| malini | if thts all we need ab is way simpler | 16:38 |
| balajiiyer | malini: I think that might work, we could gather read and write metrics seperately | 16:39 |
| oz_akan_ | alcabrera: thank you for the comments | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: do you think the queues controller is sufficient to evaluate both frameworks according to all the criteria we've defined? | 16:39 |
| balajiiyer | queues does CRUD, that is good starting point | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | assuming we also take a little time to make sure it is done in the "Pecan Way" | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: it also does serialization/deserialization right? | 16:39 |
| balajiiyer | again, pecan way is not clearly defined | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | balajiiyer: what I mean is, just compare what you have against ceilometer and see if there is any way to improve it | 16:40 |
| balajiiyer | I looked at Ceilometer code, across the project it is using webob, requests, WSME, pecan to do different things | 16:40 |
| kgriffs | by improve, I mean reduce code, and make sure we are doing "globals" the "right" way | 16:40 |
| malini | what abt getting ryan to review pecan our code first ? | 16:40 |
| kgriffs | yeah | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | what malini said. | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | :) | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | ok, so first thing is benchmarks | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | second thing is get ryan to review our code and implement his suggestions | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | let's not worry about message controller | 16:41 |
| alcabrera | +1 for getting ryan's review | 16:41 |
| malini | I think the review shud come first (if we can get it) | 16:41 |
| malini | coz changes after review will invalidate the benchmarks | 16:42 |
| kgriffs | ok, just so long is it all happens within the next few days | 16:42 |
| kgriffs | malini: good point | 16:42 |
| alcabrera | the best pecan implementation I've seen so far is openstack/ironic | 16:42 |
| kgriffs | we don't want any excuses that benchmarks are invalid! | 16:42 |
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| malini | for the same reason we want the benchmarking tool to be blessed too | 16:43 |
| balajiiyer | wow, too many subtleties | 16:43 |
| malini | lets just do with both tsung & ab | 16:43 |
| malini | hope nobody will ask for tempest stress test ;) | 16:44 |
| kgriffs | mainly I just want us to make sure we are taking this evaluation seriously and we are careful about the results. We want to be as correct and objective as possible. That's one of the reasons I was glad to have balajiiyer step up to help out since he was coming with an outsider's perspective. | 16:50 |
| malini | my point was to make sure that we are doing things in a way that is acceptable to whoever is looking at the results | 16:51 |
| kgriffs | yep | 16:51 |
| kgriffs | I think we have a good plan | 16:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Cindy Pallares proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Adding queue and queue test to API https://review.openstack.org/70210 | 16:52 |
| alcabrera | with ryan stepping up to assist with reviews, I'm happier with the plan, since we now have a voice that can help us determine whether we're taking an idiomatic approach to pecan implementation | 16:52 |
| * mpanetta suddenly wants pecan pie. | 16:55 | |
| wirehead_ | pie | 16:56 |
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| alcabrera | flaper87, kgriffs: working on the shards driver now. I'll have that updated soon. | 17:05 |
| kgriffs | great, thanks! | 17:07 |
| kgriffs | I'll be back online in about an hour | 17:07 |
| alcabrera | o/ | 17:07 |
| cpallares | hi alcabrera, how are you doing? | 17:09 |
| alcabrera | cpallares: hey! I'm doing okay. The stresses of development are getting to me a bit today, but all is well otherwise. :) | 17:10 |
| alcabrera | How about you? | 17:10 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: aw that sucks | 17:11 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: I'm doing good. I got my computer today :) | 17:11 |
| alcabrera | oooohh | 17:12 |
| alcabrera | nice! yay! :D | 17:12 |
| alcabrera | cpallares: how is it, so far? | 17:12 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: it's good, nothing special | 17:15 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: it's got lots of ram :D | 17:16 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: so that's nice | 17:16 |
| alcabrera | having at least 8GB of ram is awesome | 17:16 |
| alcabrera | I've yet to find every day applications that require more than that | 17:16 |
| alcabrera | games, included | 17:17 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: yeah I wanted to play this game called broken age | 17:17 |
| cpallares | but I couldn't on my old laptop | 17:17 |
| cpallares | but now I can :D | 17:17 |
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| alcabrera | cpallares: this one?: http://brokenage.gamepedia.com/Broken_Age_Wiki | 17:18 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: yeah that one | 17:18 |
| alcabrera | it looks beautiful! | 17:19 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: it was made by the same guy who created psychonauts, if you've ever played psychonauts. it's a pretty neat game. kinda old now. | 17:19 |
| alcabrera | I think I have psychonauts, but I've never played it. I've heard good things about it! | 17:20 |
| * alcabrera used to purchase all the humble bundles | 17:20 | |
| cpallares | lol | 17:20 |
| * cpallares high-fives alcabrera | 17:20 | |
| cpallares | I bought broken age at a humble bundle, but I hadn't been able to download it :P | 17:20 |
| * alcabrera returns the high-five | 17:20 | |
| alcabrera | :D | 17:21 |
| cpallares | what games do you play alcabrera? | 17:21 |
| alcabrera | lately, I've been playing Minecraft and Terraria. I return to Diablo 2 (Median XL), Pokémon (all of them), and Starbound from time to time. | 17:22 |
| malini | flaper87: I am trying to run devstack on ubuntu with nojournal true - still cant connect to mongodb after the restart :-S | 17:22 |
| malini | flaper87: http://paste.openstack.org/show/66961/ | 17:23 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: oh i've heard good things of minecraft, but i've never played it (nor any of the other ones). I've played pokemon, but who hasn't :P | 17:23 |
| alcabrera | haha, that is very true of Pokemon. :P | 17:23 |
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| mpanetta | I have not played it :P | 17:24 |
| cpallares | mpanetta: :O | 17:24 |
| alcabrera | mpanetta: it's an interesting game. If you join at this point, there's quite a bit of... zoology to be done. There's like... 700+ creatures now? | 17:24 |
| mpanetta | I have been itcing to replay Blaster Master for some reason lately... | 17:24 |
| alcabrera | ooooh, Blaster Master. <3 | 17:24 |
| mpanetta | Wow | 17:24 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: what 700+? | 17:25 |
| * alcabrera goes to double check with serebii | 17:25 | |
| alcabrera | cpallares: http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/ (719) | 17:25 |
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| alcabrera | :D | 17:25 |
| alcabrera | as of XY | 17:25 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: wow, I guess I haven't played in a looong time. | 17:26 |
| mpanetta | I just found out they released an updated Blaster Master for Wii virtual console. Blaster Master: Overdrive | 17:26 |
| cpallares | mpanetta: you should download an emulator and play the old version with < 300 | 17:26 |
| alcabrera | cpallares: X&Y are especially lovely, since they made it easier to trade, breed, and battle than ever before | 17:26 |
| cpallares | < 300 *pokemon | 17:26 |
| mpanetta | cpallares: Oh? | 17:26 |
| mpanetta | Ok | 17:26 |
| alcabrera | mpanetta: I'd totally recommend starting off with Ruby/Sapphire version | 17:26 |
| cpallares | ^^ what alcabrera said | 17:27 |
| alcabrera | mpanetta: oooh, a new Blaster Master. I never played any beyond the initial NES release. The ice stage music gets stuck in my head any time that game is mentioned. | 17:27 |
| cpallares | I can't imagine being able to keep up with 700+ pokemon | 17:27 |
| alcabrera | it's difficult, for sure, cpallares! :) | 17:28 |
| mpanetta | alcabrera: I have played the genesis version, it was nice, music was nowhere near as good. | 17:29 |
| mpanetta | alcabrera: I found a map editor for Blaster Master last night. | 17:29 |
| * cpallares has never played blaster master | 17:29 | |
| mpanetta | http://bck.sourceforge.net/ | 17:30 |
| mpanetta | cpallares: It was a pretty novel game for its time. | 17:30 |
| alcabrera | Jess does lots of cataloguing to help her keep track of the pokemon. I've just played for so long it's like releasing they released a new book in a series with 4 or 5 new characters. :) | 17:30 |
| alcabrera | s/releasing/realizing | 17:30 |
| cpallares | mpanetta: neat thanks | 17:30 |
| alcabrera | mpanetta: these pixels are so lovely. I will make them a wallpaper for my desktop now: http://bck.sourceforge.net/level1tr0.png | 17:31 |
| mpanetta | alcabrera: yes :) | 17:32 |
| mpanetta | cpallares: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_Master | 17:32 |
| mpanetta | alcabrera: And yes the level 6 music I think was my fav. | 17:32 |
| mpanetta | And the level 8 music... Man that had me on edge constantly. I think it added to the difficulty of that level heh | 17:32 |
| alcabrera | haha, yes... | 17:33 |
| alcabrera | it was a merciless game | 17:33 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: is she playing the one on the DS? | 17:33 |
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| alcabrera | cpallares: we're both playing X&Y on the 3ds. :) | 17:34 |
| alcabrera | mpanetta: wall-paper'd: http://wallpoper.com/images/00/31/20/99/blaster-master_00312099.jpg | 17:34 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: I want a 3ds | 17:34 |
| mpanetta | Awesome! | 17:34 |
| mpanetta | I may have to steal that :P | 17:34 |
| * cpallares steals alcabrera's 3ds | 17:34 | |
| * cpallares plays pokemon | 17:35 | |
| mpanetta | Hmm, now how do I set the bg on a mac heh | 17:35 |
| sriram | alcabrera: ooh Diablo 2, I am a huge fan. Diablo 3 was a bit of a letdown.. | 17:35 |
| cpallares | mpanetta: you can (right?) click on it and click set as background | 17:35 |
| * alcabrera lends cpallares the 3ds | 17:36 | |
| alcabrera | :D | 17:36 |
| mpanetta | cpallares: It does not give me that option :( | 17:36 |
| cpallares | mpanette: ah my bad, I have a macbook, but I haven't used OS X in a while :( | 17:36 |
| alcabrera | sriram: diablo 2 was still so engrossing that I didn't even take a look at Diablo 3. especially when there's this lovely mod to work with: http://modsbylaz.vn.cz/ | 17:36 |
| cpallares | mpanetta: you can save it and then right click on the desktop to change it manually | 17:38 |
| mpanetta | Yeah I just pulled up the settings thing heh | 17:38 |
| sriram | alcabrera: cool mod! | 17:39 |
| cpallares | alcabrera: woah the 3DS is pretty! | 17:39 |
| cpallares | since when do they have two screens? | 17:41 |
| mpanetta | alcabrera: http://ocremix.org/remix/OCR01656/ heh | 17:41 |
| mpanetta | That is what the DS stands for :P | 17:41 |
| cpallares | lol | 17:42 |
| cpallares | they have a zelda and mario one! | 17:42 |
| * cpallares totally saving up to buy a 3ds now | 17:42 | |
| mpanetta | Holy crap, blaster master overdrive looks killer! | 17:43 |
| * alcabrera catches up | 17:45 | |
| mpanetta | http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/2010/02/blaster_master_overdrive | 17:45 |
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| alcabrera | cpallares: yeah, the 3ds features a touchscreen as the bottom screen. It's really nice in Pokémon for moving them in and around boxes. | 17:50 |
| alcabrera | mpanetta: yup, that's my favorite rendition of the ice stage theme! :D | 17:50 |
| alcabrera | those riffs get stuck in my head *soooo bad* | 17:50 |
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| mpanetta | They really did it justice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDDDQgIz7VY | 17:50 |
| alcabrera | brb | 17:51 |
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| kgriffs | mpanetta: sweet! | 17:54 |
| kgriffs | that was one of my favorite NES games! | 17:54 |
| mpanetta | Rocks ehh? | 17:54 |
| * kgriffs takes our credit card | 17:55 | |
| * kgriffs remembers he has to wait until he gets home | 17:56 | |
| kgriffs | I bet some smart guy just bought the rights to the game and rebooted it | 17:57 |
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| alcabrera | lol | 17:58 |
| mpanetta | kgriffs: Apparently sunsoft is trying to make a comeback | 17:58 |
| alcabrera | mpanetta, kgriffs: I had no idea the story was this epic! It really sets the game in perspective. | 18:01 |
| * alcabrera listens to the "Let's Play" video | 18:01 | |
| mpanetta | alcabrera: They wrote a book based on the game. | 18:01 |
| alcabrera | woah | 18:01 |
| mpanetta | I wonder if I still have it somewhere... | 18:02 |
| alcabrera | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_of_Power | 18:02 |
| mpanetta | Yep | 18:02 |
| alcabrera | waaaat, this whole series was created by Seth Godin?! | 18:03 |
| alcabrera | that's a surprising connection. I've been listening to him lately about entrepreneurship and publishing! | 18:03 |
| mpanetta | Who is that? | 18:03 |
| alcabrera | Everything is connected, hahaha | 18:03 |
| mpanetta | Haha, gotta love that | 18:03 |
| mpanetta | Yep | 18:03 |
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| alcabrera | Seth Godin is a publisher, a writer, and has lots of interesting ideas | 18:05 |
| alcabrera | I think he's started several businesses | 18:05 |
| alcabrera | mpanetta: good video interviewing him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDtkBsWgzWE "Failing Until You Succeed" | 18:05 |
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| mpanetta | Oh cool | 18:07 |
| malini | whoah….I can get devstack running with the sleep after restart <:o) | 18:09 |
| alcabrera | sweet | 18:09 |
| malini | so we dont have to mess with journalling | 18:09 |
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| alcabrera | mpanetta: speaking of classic games, I sure would love to see The Guardian Legend remade. | 18:14 |
| mpanetta | I don't think I have played that one | 18:14 |
| alcabrera | it's an RPG/top-down shooter/adventure game. It had so many cool concepts, it's crazy. | 18:16 |
| alcabrera | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmh6056U0Nw | 18:16 |
| alcabrera | the music was also amazing | 18:16 |
| kgriffs | "too often, in our world, someone does something, something extraordinary, and we don't say, 'how'd you do that?'" | 18:17 |
| kgriffs | nice video | 18:17 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: seth godin is great to listen to for inspiration. :D | 18:17 |
| sriram | alcabrera: I dont think I have actually played this game, but I did play some similar to these. very classic :) | 18:17 |
| alcabrera | sriram: the closest thing I played to it in recent times was Sigma Star Saga for the GBA. What else have you seen like it? :D | 18:18 |
| mpanetta | wow GBA | 18:21 |
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| sriram | alcabrera: I'm not sure of the name. It was sometime back :/ | 18:22 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87: if you have a few mins this evening to review this, that would be totally rad. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74044/ | 18:46 |
| malini | I have another devstack patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74467 . I hope this is the last one, before I can tempest merged | 18:49 |
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| kgriffs | malini: cool | 19:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Alejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: feat(sqlalchemy): add shards controller https://review.openstack.org/71335 | 19:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: feat(sqlalchemy): add shards controller https://review.openstack.org/71335 | 19:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: feat(sqlalchemy): add shards controller https://review.openstack.org/71335 | 19:18 |
| alcabrera | there, that fixes that | 19:18 |
| alcabrera | flaper87, kgriffs: shards is ready for the next round of review. All the awesome comments were addressed! | 19:19 |
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| alcabrera | this includes: handling disconnect errors via decoration, whitespace for readability, assertion thoughts, TODOs, and more | 19:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Alejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: feat(sql/catalogue): add catalogue controller https://review.openstack.org/73027 | 19:20 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: balajiiyer hey guys | 19:20 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: hey. :) | 19:20 |
| flaper87 | I was thinking that we should maybe bring the disucssion about pecan and falcon to the malining list | 19:21 |
| flaper87 | what I'd like to do is not to compare them | 19:21 |
| alcabrera | that would be lovely | 19:21 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to provide the feedback about the implementation the the community | 19:21 |
| alcabrera | not having to compare the two | 19:21 |
| flaper87 | and hear back from them | 19:21 |
| flaper87 | I'd like the community to help us out on finding the best way to implement this | 19:21 |
| flaper87 | and more importantly, I'd like the whole community to weight in | 19:22 |
| flaper87 | so, here's what we can do | 19:22 |
| alcabrera | good thoughts, flaper87 | 19:22 |
| * alcabrera listens | 19:22 | |
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| flaper87 | balajiiyer: could start the thread by introducing himself and explaining to the community that he's new to marconi, falcon, pecan and openstack (?) - not sure about the later - | 19:23 |
| flaper87 | I think that's valuable because his feedback is .... new | 19:23 |
| balajiiyer | flaper87: Do you think that would start a bikeshed? | 19:24 |
| balajiiyer | Everyone will have opinions on this and there will lots of thoughts. | 19:24 |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: I'm not 100% sure but that's not the idea of the thread and we should stop folks that will hijack the thread | 19:25 |
| flaper87 | I don't want to compare both frameworks | 19:25 |
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| flaper87 | I want to provide feedback about what our experience has been during the implementation | 19:25 |
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| flaper87 | I beleive we owe this to the overall community and that it will be a good thing for both the project and OpenStack | 19:26 |
| flaper87 | also, we're not even sure we're doing the right thing w/ our current implementation | 19:26 |
| balajiiyer | flaper87: I understand. | 19:26 |
| flaper87 | so, since many projects have already migrated (or at least started to migrate) to pecan | 19:26 |
| alcabrera | provide information - that's important | 19:26 |
| flaper87 | I think they all can provide feedback or even learn something | 19:26 |
| flaper87 | I'm don't know pecan at all | 19:27 |
| alcabrera | here's a thought | 19:27 |
| flaper87 | that's why my questions in today's meeting were very focused on implementation details | 19:27 |
| flaper87 | more than *which one goes faster* | 19:27 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 19:27 |
| flaper87 | and we need to work closely with Doug and Ryan | 19:28 |
| alcabrera | speed is a minor concern compared to how maintainable the final result is | 19:28 |
| flaper87 | I think I mentioned this in the meeting (not trying to repeat myself) | 19:28 |
| alcabrera | I agree with you about speed | 19:29 |
| alcabrera | and more view points on the implementation can only help us | 19:29 |
| alcabrera | so | 19:29 |
| alcabrera | I'm not sure the ML is the right place to *start* the spread of information | 19:29 |
| alcabrera | it's definitely the right place to start the conversation | 19:29 |
| alcabrera | here's what I mean | 19:29 |
| alcabrera | To present the information, namely - how falcon has been used to implement marconi | 19:30 |
| balajiiyer | flaper87: alcabrera imho, implementation is very subjective. There will be many ways to skin a cat. | 19:30 |
| alcabrera | I think a blog post would be ideal | 19:30 |
| balajiiyer | arent we obsessed with performance? :) | 19:30 |
| alcabrera | then, in the ML, reference the blog post and set the subject as: "Falcon: An Experience Report" | 19:31 |
| alcabrera | something like that | 19:31 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: what do you think? | 19:31 |
| alcabrera | balajiiyer: ^ | 19:31 |
| balajiiyer | *thinking* | 19:32 |
| balajiiyer | If Im writing the blog post - I would start with Pecan. Thats where my experience is now. | 19:33 |
| balajiiyer | and I dont want to come off biased towards falcon. | 19:33 |
| alcabrera | Makes sense. | 19:33 |
| balajiiyer | Also, some of the implementation pains I have today could be because of the fact that Im trying to *port* falcon code to Pecan. Even though I try not to do that, it is difficult to avoid. | 19:34 |
| alcabrera | it's very different | 19:34 |
| alcabrera | porting is a bad idea, from what I can tell | 19:35 |
| flaper87 | A blog post is very important but I don't think that's the way to get back to the community and start a discussion. We need to focus our implementation details in what would make it faster | 19:35 |
| flaper87 | and we need experienced people to tell us what that implementation should look like | 19:35 |
| balajiiyer | flaper87: yeah, I agree. Im going to get review comments from Ryan on my current implementation. And go from there. | 19:36 |
| balajiiyer | once I have a good understanding of what Im doing, and is on the right path ("pecan way"), I will send out an email to the community. | 19:37 |
| balajiiyer | makes sense? | 19:37 |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: awesome, thanks A LOT for that | 19:37 |
| flaper87 | makes total sense | 19:37 |
| flaper87 | Ryan started hacking on something *just for us* when we told him that we had some requirements in Marconi when we were back in HKG | 19:38 |
| flaper87 | What I want to say is that: | 19:38 |
| flaper87 | 1. The community is the place to look for help and we definitely need it | 19:39 |
| flaper87 | 2. We owe this to the community and this has always being Marconi's spirit | 19:39 |
| flaper87 | 3. I'd like us to have a good feedback and well prepared wiki page about this implementation before our graduation meeting | 19:39 |
| flaper87 | and with all that said, I'll run for president | 19:40 |
| * alcabrera votes for flaper87 | 19:40 | |
| balajiiyer | +1 | 19:40 |
| flaper87 | ah damn, that makes me think my country is currently completely fucked up :( | 19:40 |
| balajiiyer | when is the graduation meeting? | 19:40 |
| * flaper87 is sad and far far away from home | 19:40 | |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: no date yet but it should be sometime in march | 19:40 |
| malini | off topic, do we have a chance of graduating in ATL ? | 19:41 |
| malini | I am getting close with tempest | 19:42 |
| flaper87 | malini: like having a ceremony and throwing the biggest party ever ? | 19:42 |
| flaper87 | yeah, I can organize that | 19:42 |
| flaper87 | I mean, the party | 19:42 |
| malini | it wud be really cooool if all of us cud be there when Marconi graduates | 19:42 |
| * mpanetta wants to go! | 19:44 | |
| malini | mpanetta: you need to submit a marconi patch | 19:45 |
| mpanetta | Aww, the bug entries don't count? :P | 19:45 |
| malini | mpanetta: I dont think so.. | 19:51 |
| malini | mpanetta: You still have time | 19:51 |
| alcabrera | mpanetta: nah - an active technical contributor needs to have a patch committed to an openstack project | 19:51 |
| mpanetta | Ah | 19:52 |
| malini | mpanetta: I have a great idea for you | 19:52 |
| mpanetta | Oh well :P | 19:52 |
| mpanetta | Oh? | 19:52 |
| mpanetta | malini: What is it? | 19:54 |
| * mpanetta is curious | 19:54 | |
| malini | mpanetta: I think you can do something here https://github.com/openstack-infra/config | 19:55 |
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| malini | mpanetta: we need a new yaml for marconi ..let me find out where it shud go | 19:56 |
| malini | mpanetta: we need that to add gating/check jobs for marconi | 19:56 |
| kgriffs | mpanetta: infra would LOVE YOU FOREVER if you contributed | 19:56 |
| mpanetta | Oh? Ok! | 19:57 |
| kgriffs | they are chronically under water (way too much to do for such a small team) | 19:57 |
| mpanetta | I will have to do it on my off time, but I think I can do that. | 19:57 |
| kgriffs | We are trying to get some Rackspace resources directed that way full-time, but it is slow in coming | 19:57 |
| malini | mpanetta: I think this is where it shud go https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/tree/master/modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config | 19:58 |
| malini | mpanetta: something similar to https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config/neutron-functional.yaml | 19:58 |
| malini | mpanetta: we have a ton of stuff to do for gating & this will be a GREAT start | 19:58 |
| mpanetta | malini: So it is basically a jenkins config? | 19:59 |
| malini | mpanetta: yes | 20:00 |
| malini | mpanetta: we want to be able to run the functional tests against devstack | 20:00 |
| mpanetta | Ok cool | 20:01 |
| mpanetta | There isn't too much in that file really is there | 20:02 |
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| mpanetta | malini: Will you be here friday? Can we talk about it then? | 20:04 |
| mpanetta | I am nose deep in salt right now :( | 20:04 |
| malini | mpanetta: I am here on friday, but will be out for a week starting monday | 20:05 |
| mpanetta | That is fine :) | 20:06 |
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| flaper87 | malini: why did you abandone the previous patch? | 20:22 |
| * flaper87 doesn't get it | 20:22 | |
| malini | flaper87: even with journaling disabled I had to add a sleep to be able to onnect to mongo | 20:23 |
| malini | it was still too slow | 20:23 |
| malini | SO I added another patch tht wud add retries till a timeout | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | o_0 | 20:24 |
| malini | So* | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | mmh, did you try to find out what the issue was? | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | it shouldn't do any preallocations or anything like that if journal is off | 20:24 |
| malini | flaper87: as in why it could not connect? | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | malini: as in why it took so long | 20:24 |
| malini | flaper87: I did not..But I still have the server around if you want to look at it | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | if you email me the user / passwd I'll do it tomorrow | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | would that be ok? | 20:25 |
| malini | flaper87: sure | 20:25 |
| malini | its just a cloud server, I can blow away after you are done | 20:26 |
| malini | flaper87: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74467 is the retry patch | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | malini: cool, thanks | 20:29 |
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