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| tommylikehu | evening!, anyone have any idea what is Jan Provaznik's irc name? | 01:02 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu: jprovazn | 01:05 |
| tommylikehu | bswartz: thanks | 01:05 |
| tommylikehu | bswartz: do you know when is he ususally around? | 01:06 |
| bswartz | he's based in Europe | 01:06 |
| bswartz | so I imagine it's 2AM or 3AM where he is | 01:06 |
| bswartz | he'll probably wake up in 4-5 hours | 01:06 |
| tommylikehu | wow, I will try to contact him after lunch, thanks. | 01:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tina Tang proposed openstack/manila master: [Dell EMC Unity] Create with user capacity https://review.openstack.org/448429 | 07:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhongjun proposed openstack/manila master: change user access name limit from 32 to 255 characters https://review.openstack.org/448446 | 08:43 |
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| tommylikehu | hey jprovazn, are you around? | 08:49 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, hi, yes | 08:49 |
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| tommylikehu | jprovazn: I wanna talk about this patch. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443101/ I add some comments few days ago | 08:52 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, thanks for looking at it. Let me check your comments | 08:54 |
| tommylikehu | np, I think we are trying to catch and classify the exceptions and what is exactly already did by exception, So I am wondering if we can add the exception into the event_ids | 08:54 |
| tommylikehu | with that we don't need that many event_ids and no need to classify these exceptions either | 08:55 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, providing more details about the error is tricky - user rmessages intentionally avoid providing any details because of potential exposing of security information | 08:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhongjun proposed openstack/python-manilaclient master: change user access name limit from 32 to 255 characters https://review.openstack.org/448450 | 08:57 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, yes, more detailed exception classification would be better, though we don't do this in code so far | 08:58 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, though this patch might be good start for better categorization if you mean this :) | 08:58 |
| tommylikehu | jprovazn that could be a good start | 08:59 |
| tommylikehu | so the only reason that prevent us from doing that is the worries of exposing security information? | 08:59 |
| tommylikehu | I have another concern about this kind of implementation. I just uploaded another draft patch whichi is doing what I am thinking | 09:00 |
| tommylikehu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448384/ | 09:00 |
| tommylikehu | jprovazn: would you take a look and leave some comments? | 09:01 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, yes, looking | 09:02 |
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| tommylikehu | jprovazn: thanks, but I have to say I didn't considered the security issues | 09:03 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/cinder-specs/specs/newton/summarymessage.html#security-impact - I can imagine that just exposing backend driver error to end user may be undesired by admins | 09:08 |
| tommylikehu | jprovazn: if that is one of the most concerns I think it's easy to fix, just build the relationship from exception to visible user messages | 09:12 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, I think there are 2 questions: 1) could we expose more info about error to end-user (your comment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443101/5/manila/message/defined_messages.py) - we have to consider a security concern here. 2) could we classify errors based on exception type - yes, we could and it would be probably cleaner, but it requires more code refactoring I guess | 09:15 |
| tommylikehu | jprovazn: yes, maybe you are right, but if we gonna add more user messages in this way: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/manager.py#L1371 | 09:17 |
| tommylikehu | jprovazn: I think it's requiring more codes | 09:18 |
| tommylikehu | jprovazn: and more complicated to maintaIN | 09:18 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, regarding (2) - yes, nicer solution would be raising classified exception for each error and then just provide a fance user message based on this. But how share service code typically looks like now is: | 09:21 |
| jprovazn | https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila/share/manager.py#L2497 | 09:21 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, IOW if an excpetion during self.driver.revert_to_snapshot occurs, error state is set and another code is done after it | 09:22 |
| tommylikehu | jprovazn: let me check the differencew | 09:23 |
| tommylikehu | jprovazn: you mean you don't care what exactly happened in the driver level? | 09:25 |
| tommylikehu | s/you/manila | 09:26 |
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| jprovazn | tommylikehu, my understanding is that your idea is to raise classified exceptions in share service and then in scheduler service create user message in one place based on the exception type - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448384/3/cinder/scheduler/flows/create_volume.py | 09:35 |
| jprovazn | is my understanding correct? | 09:35 |
| tommylikehu | jprovazn: yes | 09:35 |
| tommylikehu | use exception to speak out the detail message | 09:36 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, ok, I think it's good approach (on first I missed that we already have save_and_reraise_exception in all exception hadling so I thought that raising an exception would break code flow but I was wrong) | 09:38 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, whether excpetion details should be exposed to end user is question for broad manila team I guess - maybe we could discuss this on tomorrow meeting | 09:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Tina Tang proposed openstack/manila master: [Dell EMC Unity] Create with user capacity https://review.openstack.org/448429 | 09:41 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, I'll update my patch meantime | 09:41 |
| tommylikehu | jprovazn: that's a nice advice. I already add the topic in cinder today, hope we could get more response from cinder guys | 09:44 |
| tommylikehu | s/add/added | 09:45 |
| jprovazn | tommylikehu, cool, let's see what they think | 09:46 |
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| tbarron | tommylikehu: pong | 12:04 |
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| arnewiebalck | I’ve put together a brief spec to allow for quotas per share type: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447021/. Please have a look and let me know if you have comments or questions. | 12:14 |
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| tommylikehu_ | Thanks tbarron, I think you are one of the people who interested in the user message which I had talked with jprovazn a few hours ago | 12:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Arne Wiebalck proposed openstack/manila-specs master: Add spec for per share type quotas https://review.openstack.org/447021 | 12:18 |
| * tbarron reads backlog | 12:19 | |
| openstackgerrit | Arne Wiebalck proposed openstack/manila-specs master: Add spec for per share type quotas https://review.openstack.org/447021 | 12:19 |
| tbarron | tommylikehu_: jprovazn good conversation. Tommy: looks like you are going to take your ideas on that front to the cinder meetingi today? | 12:20 |
| tbarron | tommylikehu_: meeting | 12:20 |
| tbarron | tommylikehu_: it does seem to me that sharing as much of this infra between cinder and manila is a good idea. | 12:20 |
| tommylikehu_ | yes | 12:21 |
| tommylikehu_ | sheer is not working in cinder any more | 12:21 |
| tbarron | tommylikehu_: jprovazn I think for cinder people are working on exposing these messages in horizon, so we can see how that goes and follow in manila (if it goes well) | 12:21 |
| tommylikehu_ | tbarron: hope it could goes well | 12:22 |
| tbarron | tommylikehu_: speaking of cinder/manila overlaps, note arnewiebalck that he mentioned a moment ago. | 12:22 |
| tbarron | tommylikehu_: cinder already has per-volume-type quotas | 12:22 |
| tbarron | arnewiebalck: tommylikehu_ this area is complicated a little bit by: | 12:23 |
| tbarron | 1) cinder has hierarchical quotas, manila doesn't | 12:23 |
| tbarron | 2) manila has per-user quotas, cinder doesn't | 12:23 |
| tbarron | arnewiebalck: does CERN use or care about per-user quotas or hierarchical quotas? | 12:25 |
| tbarron | vs regular old tenant/project quotas? | 12:26 |
| arnewiebalck | tbarron: yes, we’re pushing for hierarchical quotas | 12:26 |
| smcginnis | Per-user is just plain insanity. | 12:26 |
| tbarron | arnewiebalck: oh yeah, I see tim bell as a reviewer on the keystone limits spec | 12:26 |
| tommylikehu_ | arnewiebalck: you come from cern? | 12:26 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: don't disagree, but manila and neutron have it | 12:27 |
| arnewiebalck | tommylikehu_: yes | 12:27 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Manila and neutron are just plain insanity. | 12:27 |
| smcginnis | :) | 12:27 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: i've had to learn a lot more neutron working on manila rather than cinder, so you be the judge :) | 12:27 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: it's nice you are here, tbarron and I just talked about the user message stuff | 12:28 |
| arnewiebalck | tbarron: the lack of hierarchical quotas makes it more complicated as you cannot easily use Cinder’s implementation as a guideline or because you you need hierarchical quotas? | 12:28 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: maybe you could take a look the commit message of this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448384/ | 12:28 |
| tommylikehu_ | and leave your concerns there :) | 12:29 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: Sure, I'll try to get to that. | 12:29 |
| tbarron | arnewiebalck: I think it's actually just a minor wrinkle for porting per-volume-quotas over as per-share-quotas, not a big deal. | 12:29 |
| arnewiebalck | tbarron: I had a look at the Cinder patch referenced in the spec | 12:31 |
| arnewiebalck | tabrron: didn’t look too complicated to me, but I wouldn’t know if it relies on things that do not exist in Manila | 12:31 |
| tbarron | arnewiebalck: I think it would be pretty straightforward but it has been six months or so since I actually looked at it in detail. | 12:32 |
| tbarron | arnewiebalck: tommylikehu_ also relevant for anything we do new with quotas: tommylikehu_: arnewiebalck also relevant is https://review.openstack.org/440815 | 12:33 |
| tbarron | keystone would hold limit information, projects would still actually enforce quotas | 12:33 |
| tbarron | arnewiebalck: tommylikehu_ This is more for when/if we implement hierarchical quotas. | 12:34 |
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| tbarron | arnewiebalck: tommylikehu_ I don't think it would impact per-share-quotas in any big way, mostly just something to be aware of and to make sure we don't do something that makes using this keystone-based-limits stuff harder. | 12:35 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: i'd expect that if 440815 moves ahead (and it seems to have support) cinder hierarchical quotas would eventually | 12:36 |
| tbarron | get re-worked to use it, and neutron and manila could drop per-user quotas in favor of a common | 12:36 |
| tbarron | approach to hierarchical quotas. | 12:36 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: I hope so. | 12:36 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: I would much rather have a common solution than each of us with our own quirks. | 12:37 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: +1 | 12:37 |
| tommylikehu_ | tbarron, does the quota works well without keystone if we finally have this feature? | 12:37 |
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| tbarron | tommylikehu_: that's a great question since as we have discussed running cinder/manila as SDS w/o the rest of OpenStack is a goal too | 12:38 |
| tbarron | tommylikehu_: in your free time :) maybe check that review and make sure that concern is dealt with/addressed. | 12:39 |
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| tommylikehu_ | tbarron: thanks for your suggestion. I will do as soon as I take up my English dictionary | 12:40 |
| tbarron | tommylikehu_: I think you could write that dictionary :) | 12:41 |
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| arnewiebalck | tbarron: FWIW, I just checked the status of hierarchical quotas in nova: it has a spec for which information is gathered; seems to be somewhat away still. | 12:46 |
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| tbarron | arnewiebalck: yep, cinder is the leader on that front, but for manila I think it makes sense to also track nova and the keystone-limit thing rather than just porting over what cinder has. | 13:05 |
| tbarron | arnewiebalck: that means hierarchical quotas will be a bit further out ... | 13:05 |
| arnewiebalck | tbarron: absolutely | 13:05 |
| tbarron | arnewiebalck: but the per-share-type stuff can happen sooner if we can get someone to do the coding. | 13:05 |
| tbarron | and testing | 13:05 |
| arnewiebalck | tbarron: tesing should be covered ;) | 13:06 |
| arnewiebalck | s/tesing/testing/ | 13:06 |
| tbarron | arnewiebalck: yeah, I guess deploying at CERN would give us a bit of coverage | 13:06 |
| tbarron | arnewiebalck: need tempest tests written/adjusted too though | 13:06 |
| tbarron | s/bit of coverage/bit of coverage :)/ | 13:07 |
| arnewiebalck | tbarron :) | 13:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Arne Wiebalck proposed openstack/manila-specs master: Add spec for per share type quotas https://review.openstack.org/447021 | 14:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila master: Add possibility to run 'manila-api' with wsgi web servers https://review.openstack.org/448190 | 18:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila master: Add possibility to run 'manila-api' with wsgi web servers https://review.openstack.org/448190 | 18:35 |
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