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openstackgerrit | Abhilash Divakaran proposed openstack/manila: Add share driver for Tegile IntelliFlash Arrays https://review.openstack.org/278169 | 00:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: NetApp: Add Replication support in cDOT https://review.openstack.org/275416 | 01:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Andrea Ma proposed openstack/manila: glusterManager instantiation regexp validation https://review.openstack.org/283777 | 02:54 |
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openstackgerrit | xing-yang proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: CLI for manage/unmanage snapshot https://review.openstack.org/249544 | 03:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: Remove unused pngmath Sphinx extension https://review.openstack.org/285834 | 03:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-manilaclient: To tag all the Admin-only APIs as Admin only https://review.openstack.org/264110 | 04:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: Add Ceph Native driver https://review.openstack.org/270211 | 04:46 |
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mdnadeem | @all, can some one response to my query http://pastebin.com/uKmRSD2b ? | 05:05 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: Introduced Data Service https://review.openstack.org/244286 | 05:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Clinton Knight proposed openstack/manila: Update export location retrieval APIs https://review.openstack.org/282070 | 05:44 |
openstackgerrit | Ben Swartzlander proposed openstack/manila: LXC/LXD driver https://review.openstack.org/245751 | 05:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Clinton Knight proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Support preferred export locations in Manila CLI https://review.openstack.org/284499 | 05:49 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: Huawei driver code review https://review.openstack.org/285094 | 06:13 |
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openstackgerrit | zhaohua proposed openstack/manila: Huawei driver improve support of StandaloneNetworkPlugin https://review.openstack.org/284033 | 06:27 |
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openstackgerrit | Alexey Ovchinnikov proposed openstack/manila: LXC/LXD driver https://review.openstack.org/245751 | 07:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Csaba Henk proposed openstack/manila: glusterfs-native: use Heketi layout via self-signing https://review.openstack.org/282101 | 08:59 |
openstackgerrit | Csaba Henk proposed openstack/manila: glusterfs: heketi: Add support for JWT Auth https://review.openstack.org/280486 | 08:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [DEBUG] do not merge 1 https://review.openstack.org/286558 | 11:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Yogesh proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Annotate CLI commands for experimental features https://review.openstack.org/286706 | 12:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Csaba Henk proposed openstack/manila: ganesha: implement update_access https://review.openstack.org/282602 | 12:29 |
openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila: Move Share Migration code to Data Service https://review.openstack.org/250515 | 12:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Added new CLI commands for Share migration https://review.openstack.org/250518 | 12:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Yogesh proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Annotate CLI commands for experimental features https://review.openstack.org/286706 | 12:51 |
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vponomaryov | jcsp, rraja: are you aware that client changes are FF-restricted too? ceph-related commit requires update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274952/ | 13:32 |
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jcsp | vponomaryov: thanks for the reminder, rraja will be updating that soon | 13:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Added new CLI commands for Share migration https://review.openstack.org/250518 | 14:09 |
rraja | vponomaryov: actually no. from the conversation we'd yesterday I could only infer that python-manila client does not follow strict FF deadline. I thought FF and M3 tagging were equivalent. And since you said that there is no strict deadline for M3 tagging of python-manilaclient I guess I made a wrong inference. | 14:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Clinton Knight proposed openstack/manila: Update export location retrieval APIs https://review.openstack.org/282070 | 14:38 |
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vponomaryov | rraja: tagging and FF are different things | 14:52 |
vponomaryov | rraja: tagging if performed any time | 14:52 |
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openstackgerrit | xing-yang proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: CLI for manage/unmanage snapshot https://review.openstack.org/249544 | 15:07 |
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gouthamr | bswartz: ping | 15:31 |
bswartz | gouthamr: pong | 15:32 |
gouthamr | hi bswartz! I have a question regarding this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-manilaclient/+bug/1457155 | 15:32 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1457155 in python-manilaclient "manila help do not tag all the Admin-only APIs as Admin only" [Low,Fix released] - Assigned to NidhiMittalHada (nidhimittal19) | 15:32 |
bswartz | k | 15:32 |
gouthamr | bswartz: I am late to the party, but the fix is merged | 15:32 |
bswartz | k | 15:33 |
gouthamr | bswartz: do you agree with the "bug" | 15:33 |
gouthamr | bswartz: policy.json dictates what's an admin api.. | 15:34 |
bswartz | this is slightly controversial | 15:34 |
bswartz | yes technically the deployer can change what is admin only | 15:34 |
bswartz | however based on the assumption that most people don't do that, it seems helpful to inform users of what the common configuration is | 15:34 |
bswartz | because having admin-only APIs not work can be frustrating or confusing | 15:35 |
gouthamr | bswartz: yes, so we should'nt tag something in the CLI when we have provided a way for the administrators to change policy.json | 15:35 |
bswartz | this is a general cross project problem -- how do clients find out what they're able to do with their security token? | 15:36 |
gouthamr | bswartz: why is it confusing? the server responds with a valid response. | 15:36 |
gouthamr | bswartz: we had this discussion in openstack-sdks a long time ago. | 15:36 |
bswartz | gouthamr: I look at it through the lens of least harm | 15:36 |
gouthamr | bswartz: no other client does it so.. | 15:36 |
bswartz | adding help text causes very little harm | 15:36 |
bswartz | letting users deal with failures causes more harm | 15:37 |
bswartz | I understand that many people disagree | 15:37 |
xyang1 | vponomaryov: hi | 15:37 |
gouthamr | bswartz: not really.. we have very descriptive error messages from the server | 15:37 |
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bswartz | well, we can refight this battle if you want | 15:38 |
gouthamr | bswartz: we're solving the same problem, twice.. and probably creating a discripency.. | 15:38 |
bswartz | and remove the messages in newton | 15:38 |
bswartz | I agree that it creates more confusion when the admin does change policy.json | 15:38 |
openstackgerrit | xing-yang proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: CLI for manage/unmanage snapshot https://review.openstack.org/249544 | 15:38 |
gouthamr | bswartz: i recommend removing them now.. please; before we ship this and make customers hate us for it :( | 15:38 |
bswartz | I was not willing to punt on the issue though, and relying on error messages is not sufficient notification to users IMO | 15:39 |
gouthamr | bswartz: I agree with adding the 'experimental' tag.. that is mighty helpful.. because the client is injecting a header without the user really knowing it.. | 15:39 |
bswartz | hate us because we provide help text that's only accurate 95% of the time? that seems unlikely | 15:39 |
gouthamr | bswartz: it could be wrong to assume that there are only two kinds of users in a policy file. | 15:40 |
bswartz | the only people users should be hating is the admin who modified policy.json | 15:40 |
bswartz | that's also true | 15:40 |
bswartz | but this problem is not generally solved | 15:40 |
bswartz | and I'm not willing to wait for it to be solved | 15:40 |
gouthamr | bswartz: tag experimental, don't tag "admin_only" | 15:40 |
bswartz | when it's solved, we will use the correct solution | 15:40 |
bswartz | until then, we have to muddle through | 15:41 |
gouthamr | bswartz: at this point, we can assume "admin_only" on the server side too, and code that way.. we don't.. we're very careful to allow changes to the policy file.. | 15:41 |
gouthamr | bswartz: since the client has no access (possibly) to the policy.json in the server, we shouldn't worry about solving this problem | 15:41 |
bswartz | fwiw, I think that horizon might have a slightly more elegant solution to this problem | 15:41 |
gouthamr | bswartz : ameade tells me glance tried to solve this problem and they let go of this solution too.. | 15:42 |
gouthamr | bswartz: when a more elegant solution presents itself, we can adopt it.. for now, that change just merged yesterday, could we not revert? | 15:43 |
gouthamr | bswartz: request :) | 15:43 |
bswartz | gouthamr: it looks like markstur, xyang1, and I were all in favor of this | 15:44 |
gouthamr | xyang1: ^^ this will affect your latest patch too | 15:44 |
bswartz | bswartz: start a ML post or a meeting topic | 15:44 |
* bswartz headdesk | 15:45 | |
* bswartz is talking to himself for some reason... | 15:45 | |
bswartz | gouthamr: start a ML post or a meeting topic | 15:45 |
xyang1 | gouthamr: Let me catch up with your conversation | 15:45 |
gouthamr | thanks xyang1.. yes bswartz. | 15:45 |
alkhodos | Hi guys. Can somebody actually confirm/deny that manila works on stable/liberty branch of devstack? I'm trying to install Liberty using the same local.conf that works for master, but my m-api service fails auth, although all other api services work. Any advice is appreciated. | 15:47 |
xyang1 | gouthamr: I have added Admin only | 15:47 |
xyang1 | gouthamr: anything else needs to be changed? | 15:47 |
gouthamr | xyang1: i feel that not correct.. since policy.json determines whether an API is "admin only" | 15:48 |
gouthamr | xyang1: having something like that in a python file in the client will not allow an deployer to change that help text if he decided to let users use snapshot_manage.. | 15:48 |
gouthamr | xyang1: scratch that.. its not as easy to muck with the client as easy it is to modify policy.json | 15:49 |
bswartz | alkhodos: we've been able to merge stuff to stable/liberty in the gate as of not very long ago -- so it was working then | 15:49 |
gouthamr | xyang1: so i feel this "admin only" in the help text is misleading. | 15:50 |
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alkhodos | bswartz: Maybe you can share a local.conf example that worked on liberty?.. that'd be really helpful | 15:51 |
bswartz | alkhodos: I haven't done anything on liberty personally in quite a while | 15:52 |
bswartz | alkhodos: you'd be better off looking at the conf that devstack-gate used on a successfully merged liberty patch | 15:52 |
bswartz | alkhodos: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/manila+status:merged+branch:stable/liberty | 15:53 |
alkhodos | bswartz: good idea, thank you! | 15:53 |
openstackgerrit | Alexey Ovchinnikov proposed openstack/manila: LXC/LXD driver https://review.openstack.org/245751 | 15:56 |
xyang1 | gouthamr: it just says you need to be an admin to use those apis | 15:56 |
xyang1 | gouthamr: so it is still helpful | 15:56 |
gouthamr | xyang1: that's not true... a deployer can modify policy.json and invalidate that assumption | 15:57 |
bswartz | gouthamr: the point is, they can, but nobody actually does | 15:57 |
vponomaryov | xyang1: you need to be an admin when "default policy.json" is used | 15:57 |
vponomaryov | xyang1: not in all cases | 15:57 |
vponomaryov | xyang1: and I am on gouthamr side here | 15:58 |
bswartz | who are these users who are making changes to policy.json and why are they doing it? | 15:58 |
gouthamr | yes vponomaryov.. so, how do we know if the default policy.json is used.. | 15:58 |
vponomaryov | private cloud? | 15:58 |
vponomaryov | bswartz ^ | 15:58 |
bswartz | I would like some of these users to come share their use cases | 15:59 |
xyang1 | gouthamr: vponomaryov you mean we cannot say any api is admin api any more in all our docs? | 15:59 |
bswartz | in a private cloud, I imagine users just give themselves admin accounts | 15:59 |
vponomaryov | xyang1: it is defined by chagable file | 15:59 |
vponomaryov | xyang1: you wanted to ask something? | 15:59 |
vponomaryov | xyang1: about hour ago? | 15:59 |
xyang1 | vponomaryov: see my comments in my manage snapshot patch. I tried but cannot add alias for a positional parameter | 16:00 |
xyang1 | vponomaryov: got an error | 16:00 |
vponomaryov | xyang1: looking | 16:00 |
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vponomaryov | xyang1: oh, you are right, my mistake, yes, it is applied only for named args | 16:01 |
xyang1 | vponomaryov: thanks | 16:01 |
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a_ta | vponomaryov: ping | 16:16 |
vponomaryov | a_ta: pong | 16:17 |
gouthamr | xyang1, vponomaryov, bswartz: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088082.html | 16:18 |
a_ta | vponomaryov: could you possibly continue reviewing this patch? thanks! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282063/3 | 16:18 |
xyang1 | gouthamr: thanks | 16:18 |
bswartz | a_ta: bugfixes are not a high priority for us right now, especially ones related to docs | 16:19 |
bswartz | after feature freeze these kinds of patches should get more attention | 16:19 |
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a_ta | bswartz: ah i see | 16:19 |
vponomaryov | a_ta: done | 16:20 |
a_ta | vponomaryov: awesome thanks! | 16:21 |
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bswartz | vponomaryov: I THINK I FOUND A SOLUTION! | 16:26 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: for neutron bug? | 16:27 |
bswartz | yes | 16:27 |
bswartz | although trusty is old, it still supports the concept of mount propagation | 16:27 |
bswartz | however it's disabled by default | 16:27 |
bswartz | so we enable it and the umount's should automatically propagate to the other namespaces | 16:28 |
bswartz | umounts | 16:28 |
bswartz | I'm going to test it | 16:28 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: enable where? via what? | 16:28 |
bswartz | sudo mount --make-rshared / | 16:28 |
bswartz | modern linuxes usually run that command or some command like it at bootup | 16:29 |
bswartz | trusty is too old | 16:29 |
bswartz | but we can run it in devstack plugin | 16:29 |
bswartz | once you run that command then umounts done in the parent namespace will propagate to child namespaces created by neutron | 16:30 |
bswartz | thus solving the problem elegantly | 16:30 |
bswartz | I considered a dozen ugly solutions but this one seems most promising | 16:31 |
vponomaryov | nice | 16:31 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: just tried on running lab, didn't work | 16:33 |
ganso | vponomaryov, bswartz, cknight, markstur, xyang1, toabctl: Could you please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250515/ ? | 16:34 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: if it should be applied for not mounted yet FS, then it does not work for us | 16:34 |
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bswartz | vponomaryov: mount propagation is hard to understand -- I had to read 5 articles about it and run a lot of experiments before I got the hang of it | 16:37 |
bswartz | in my initial test it worked | 16:38 |
bswartz | I'm going to test it now with actual ZFS driver in gate | 16:38 |
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bswartz | I'm come to learn that the linux VFS subsystem is nothing like it was in the 90s | 16:39 |
bswartz | there's a lot of magic I was unaware of | 16:39 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: looks like key "--rprivate" worked | 16:41 |
bswartz | which key? | 16:42 |
bswartz | trusty defaults to the whole mount namespace being private | 16:42 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: "sudo zfs create %zpool/dataset% ; sudo mount --rprivate %zpool/dataset%; " | 16:42 |
bswartz | right | 16:43 |
bswartz | you can do it privately like that | 16:43 |
bswartz | however it doesn't solve the problem unless you're already in another namespace | 16:43 |
bswartz | because we use nfs-kernel-server, we cannot use alternative namespaces in manila (the linux NFS kernel server doesn't yet support namespaces) | 16:44 |
bswartz | one solution I considered involved manila doing all mounts in private namespaces and using ganesha-nfs | 16:44 |
bswartz | that would be most foolproof solution | 16:44 |
bswartz | however it's a lot of work | 16:44 |
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bswartz | this solution is 1 line of code and it should work very reliably against what neutron does | 16:48 |
vponomaryov | rraja, bswartz: what do we do with HDFS CI/driver? | 16:52 |
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kfox1111 | question. the isilon driver in liberty mentions '* Only FLAT network is supported' | 16:53 |
kfox1111 | is this refering to neutron itself or something else in Manila? | 16:54 |
kfox1111 | We're using neutron tenant networks currently. | 16:54 |
kfox1111 | can this be worked around with share servers? | 16:54 |
openstackgerrit | Ben Swartzlander proposed openstack/manila: Remove nsenter dependency https://review.openstack.org/287316 | 16:55 |
bswartz | vponomaryov, rraja: workflow proposed fixes? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/devstack-plugin-hdfs+status:open | 16:57 |
vponomaryov | kfox1111: this driver will not consider networking stuff | 16:57 |
vponomaryov | kfox1111: it can have only one common net that everyone has access to | 16:57 |
kfox1111 | ok. so share servers can't proxy into our tenant networks to work around the restriction? | 16:58 |
vponomaryov | kfox1111: there is no "share server" with that kind of a driver | 16:59 |
kfox1111 | k. bummer. | 16:59 |
kfox1111 | so we can't use it. | 16:59 |
bswartz | kfox1111: I don't understand the problem you're trying to solve | 17:00 |
kfox1111 | our neutron is setup with tenant networks. | 17:00 |
vponomaryov | kfox1111: you mean there is no common network in your cloud? | 17:00 |
kfox1111 | if the driver only works with neturon setup in a flat network, we can't use the isilon driver. | 17:00 |
bswartz | kfox1111: a share-server-supporting driver for Isilon could be added, if the actual hardware was capable of joining tenant networks directly | 17:00 |
kfox1111 | there's a public net. | 17:00 |
vponomaryov | kfox1111: so, what is the problem then? | 17:01 |
vponomaryov | kfox1111: or you mean segmentation thing? | 17:01 |
kfox1111 | every tenant has their own private network, | 17:01 |
bswartz | in practice, usage of a shared/common network for all tenants and shares isn't usually a problem | 17:01 |
kfox1111 | and there is an external one for accessing the greater corperate network. | 17:01 |
kfox1111 | so it doesn't just support a flat network, it needs a shared network? | 17:02 |
vponomaryov | it is up to your network routes | 17:02 |
vponomaryov | isilon will use just single net | 17:02 |
kfox1111 | yeah, but if you have to get from the isolon to the vm via a floating ip, is that an issue? | 17:03 |
vponomaryov | kfox1111: and you decide to make public or private in Neutron | 17:03 |
openstackgerrit | Ramana Raja proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Add 'cephx' authentication type https://review.openstack.org/274952 | 17:03 |
vponomaryov | from isilon to VM? | 17:03 |
vponomaryov | kfox1111: maybe vice versa? | 17:04 |
kfox1111 | does nfs/cifs work via a nat? | 17:04 |
kfox1111 | yeah, visa versa. | 17:04 |
bswartz | kfox1111: yes, you can use your floating IP to mount shares -- the caveat there is that when you do manila allow-access, you must use the floating IP address, not the instance's private IP address | 17:04 |
kfox1111 | right. that makes sense. | 17:04 |
kfox1111 | ok. so if we put the isilon out on the corperate network (actually, it already is), | 17:05 |
kfox1111 | then we point manila at it, and just make sure the acl's point to the floating ip's or tenant router ip's for the tenants access. | 17:05 |
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bswartz | kfox1111: and the upshot is that when you allow access to that floating IP, all the instances on the private net get access -- you cannot discriminate between different guests by IP because they're all being NATed | 17:05 |
bswartz | it's a minor downside IMO | 17:06 |
kfox1111 | we're ok with that restriction. we already have to live with that with them being on the corperate network that way anyway. | 17:07 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: in case you didn't see, here is my proposal to fix neutron bug: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287316/ | 17:07 |
kfox1111 | the extra security of the tenant networks outweights the easy visibility at the edge. | 17:07 |
kfox1111 | Thanks for the help. | 17:08 |
bswartz | kfox1111: glad to hear this is workable | 17:08 |
bswartz | the no-share-servers use case is a very important one for the manila project | 17:08 |
kfox1111 | yeah. me too. :) | 17:08 |
vponomaryov | kfox1111: feedback is important too | 17:08 |
vponomaryov | )) | 17:08 |
kfox1111 | it still would be nice to have the option for share servers if it would give the option to more easily get it into the tenants. | 17:09 |
kfox1111 | then it can be up to the tenant to deside how to do the acl's/ to share server or not. | 17:09 |
rraja | vponomaryov bswartz : there are a couple of bashate errors that need to be fixed. and i've overlooked them until now since I've other more urgent patches on my plate. | 17:09 |
rraja | gouthamr: ping | 17:09 |
kfox1111 | but I was worried it would be a no go when I saw FLAT network in the documentation but it isn't quite what it seems. | 17:09 |
dencaval | Hey guys, would it be possible to upload a manila service image to an OpenStack official location? | 17:10 |
gouthamr | rraja: pong | 17:10 |
bswartz | rraja: thanks for all of your work on HDFS CI | 17:10 |
vponomaryov | kfox1111: VNX supports share servers | 17:10 |
kfox1111 | VNX? | 17:10 |
vponomaryov | kfox1111: EMC VNX | 17:10 |
kfox1111 | upating the docs might be a good thing to clarify that networking detail. | 17:10 |
kfox1111 | does the VNX driver work with an Isilon appliance? | 17:11 |
bswartz | rraja: focus on feature freeze priorities over HDFS CI -- we need to fix it but it's not urgent | 17:11 |
kfox1111 | we're not buying new hardware, but tryign to reuse existing hardware. | 17:11 |
bswartz | kfox1111: no | 17:11 |
kfox1111 | k. | 17:11 |
kfox1111 | we have a ceph too. which is our primary storage. | 17:11 |
bswartz | VNX and Isilon just both happen to be EMC products with Manila drivers | 17:11 |
kfox1111 | so if possible, we might do both ceph and the isilon. | 17:11 |
kfox1111 | ah. ok. | 17:11 |
rraja | gouthamr: hi! i just need quick tips regarding this patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274952/ | 17:12 |
bswartz | soon to be Dell products I suppose.... | 17:12 |
rraja | bswartz: sure! thanks! | 17:12 |
vponomaryov | dencaval: it is not yet so, but planned to be hosted inside of infra env | 17:13 |
gouthamr | rraja: taking a look. | 17:13 |
dencaval | vponomaryov, Hm, how can we do that? | 17:14 |
rraja | gouthamr: i'm unable to easily copy over server side authentication of cephx access type on the client side. i don't how to do this on the client side, https://github.com/openstack/manila/commit/9ff0d1312e6be55841eca124741ca45a44955878#diff-f9de13841bba0a384ad1089a1b80d391R89 | 17:14 |
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vponomaryov | dencaval: we have project "manila-image-elements" | 17:14 |
vponomaryov | dencaval: that builds image for generic driver | 17:14 |
gouthamr | rraja: do we want the validation on the client? | 17:15 |
rraja | gouthamr: how do I check for version request as is done on the server side, as I don't see any request object being passed to allow_access on the clien | 17:15 |
vponomaryov | dencaval: and result of its building job can be saved to, for example, "tarballs.openstack.org" | 17:15 |
rraja | gouthamr: that seems to be the general practice to repeat validation on the client side. | 17:15 |
vponomaryov | dencaval: but it is not saved yet | 17:15 |
gouthamr | rraja: just a second.. i think we're doing some validation on the client.. my bad | 17:15 |
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bswartz | dencaval: yes the manila-image-elements project is the source for service images | 17:16 |
bswartz | but the builds from that project are not yet saved in official location | 17:17 |
bswartz | dencaval: did you have success using LVM driver for example install? | 17:17 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: Update export location retrieval APIs https://review.openstack.org/282070 | 17:17 |
* bswartz thinks LVM is much simpler than Generic for first time users | 17:17 | |
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gouthamr | rraja: okay, understand this better now.. don't check for version.. the version check's already done at the server for that action.. you're just adding an option. | 17:19 |
kfox1111 | did the cephfs driver ever get any traction for mitaka? | 17:19 |
gouthamr | rraja: i think the client side validation is redundant.. but maybe we're doing that to have a quicker turnaround time.. | 17:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila: Move Share Migration code to Data Service https://review.openstack.org/250515 | 17:19 |
gouthamr | kfox1111: yes. it will be shipped in mitaka, thanks to rraja jcsp | 17:19 |
dencaval | bswartz, I did not have time for testing LVM, so I continue to just fix reviews using generic driver once it is ready. | 17:19 |
openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Added new CLI commands for Share migration https://review.openstack.org/250518 | 17:19 |
kfox1111 | awesome. thanks. :) | 17:19 |
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dencaval | There is the review of Christian Berendt at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273724. We suggested using an more official location for the manila service image. | 17:21 |
dencaval | bswartz, | 17:21 |
rraja | gouthamr: so what I do now is sufficient except for the missing unit tests? | 17:21 |
dencaval | bswartz, he suggested* | 17:23 |
gouthamr | rraja: yep. be sure to update this file: https://github.com/openstack/python-manilaclient/blob/e4b42960833a8133b8f5c0aeab5be5369adccb5e/manilaclient/api_versions.py#L34 | 17:23 |
gouthamr | rraja: max microversion.. | 17:23 |
gouthamr | rraja: also add a "functional" negative test maybe? | 17:24 |
rraja | kfox1111: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/cephfs-driver | 17:24 |
bswartz | dencaval: did he recommend any place specific? or just ask for us to put it somewhee official? | 17:24 |
kfox1111 | are there any plans to support shadow migration via share servers with union mounts? | 17:24 |
bswartz | dencaval: it's probably a question we should ask infra about | 17:24 |
bswartz | would tarballs.openstack.org be an acceptable "official" place? | 17:25 |
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dencaval | bswartz, He just said this: "Is it possible to provide this image on a some more official location? I am not sure if it is a good idea to pull binary images from 3rd party locations." | 17:26 |
bswartz | I could take over the work to make the manila-image-elements project upload tarballs and we can start tagging them to establish "released" service images | 17:26 |
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bswartz | dencaval: I agree completely -- solving that issue just hasn't been high enough priority until now | 17:26 |
bswartz | now it's high priority and we'll solve it | 17:26 |
kfox1111 | rraja: oh, so this is exporting cephfs to users directly? | 17:27 |
bswartz | I'll see what I can do about it after lunch | 17:27 |
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kfox1111 | is there an option to have a share server reexport via smb/nfs? | 17:27 |
rraja | gouthamr: thanks! so I guess I need to bump it to 2.16 due to this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250518/20/manilaclient/api_versions.py ? | 17:27 |
kfox1111 | not that this isn't very cool. I have other uses for direct cephfs support to vm's. :) | 17:28 |
dencaval | bswartz, Nice thanks, when the url be ready, post a comment and I can update the patch. | 17:28 |
rraja | kfox1111: yeah the driver exports shares using ceph's native protocol. | 17:29 |
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kfox1111 | I was under the impression there could only be one cephfs for the whole cluster. | 17:29 |
kfox1111 | is this sharing out subdirs of it? or did they add a feature I didn't know about? :) | 17:29 |
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rraja | kfox1111: yes it shares out sub directories. | 17:31 |
rraja | jcsp: ^^ | 17:31 |
kfox1111 | ah. does it make a restricted auth key per subdir or something? | 17:31 |
kfox1111 | so, then we'd have to make sure our ceph was public, not private to support cephfs. | 17:32 |
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kfox1111 | hmm.... but our hypervisors are only private.... | 17:32 |
kfox1111 | has ceph gotten around to supporting multiple public networks properly yet? | 17:33 |
kfox1111 | last I looked, it only supported one public network that was routed. | 17:33 |
kfox1111 | oh... and I guess it might have the same issue the isilon driver would have.... | 17:33 |
kfox1111 | it would be on the public network, and the clients would be in vm's that would nat out to it. | 17:33 |
kfox1111 | so cephfs's driver would have to work via nat... | 17:34 |
kfox1111 | has that been tested? | 17:34 |
jcsp | kfox1111: for the cephfs native driver (the one just added) you need your guests to have IP access to the ceph public network. | 17:34 |
jcsp | as you've guessed | 17:34 |
kfox1111 | (I've tried nat with hpss protocol before. it breaks horibly, so I always ask about protocol support for nat these days :) | 17:35 |
jcsp | that's kind of intrinsic to the cephfs protocol. The way to get away from that is to have a gateway somewhere else, either remotely or on the hypervisor. If you're interested in future directions you should watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNTCBouMaAU | 17:35 |
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ganso | rraja: I think you should use 2.13, since cephx merged on 2.13 | 17:37 |
kfox1111 | not sure I can make cephfs fly due to the network restrictions of ceph. :/ | 17:37 |
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rraja | ganso: correct. yeah, i was just about to correct myself. thanks! | 17:37 |
kfox1111 | I'd have to do some things with routing that would be... uncomfortable. :/ | 17:37 |
jcsp | kfox1111: we are not expecting most people to want to deploy cephfs native for general purpose workloads. However, the native driver is the building block for everything that comes next, and it may be useful for some single-tenant environments. | 17:38 |
kfox1111 | ceph really needs multihoming support. :/ | 17:38 |
kfox1111 | yeah. I get that. | 17:38 |
kfox1111 | but the problem is ops usually deploy ceph with the ceph "public" network as the private network the hypervisors talk on. | 17:39 |
kfox1111 | becasuse cinder expects the hypervisor to talk directly to ceph. | 17:40 |
kfox1111 | I don't put any of the hypervisors on the public network directly sicne there is no reason for them to be there. only vm's get attached to the real public net via floating ip's. | 17:40 |
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kfox1111 | but ceph can only have one "public" network. so the only other way is to bridge the private cloud network, the ceph public network, and the real public network with a router and acl it. :/ | 17:41 |
amrith | greetings, I'm new to manila. Trying to work on integrating it with Trove. I setup a new manila instance for dev with devstack. devstack is using nova networking. I created a manila network (share-network-create) with the nova networking id. Then I attempted manila create NFS ... and I get an error 401, The request you have made requires authentication on the m-shr screen window. I guess I'm doing something wrong, is | 17:42 |
amrith | there a quick start guide for manila/devstack that will help me troubleshoot this? Thanks ... | 17:42 |
kfox1111 | I try to avoid doing that sort of thing though whenever I can. :/ | 17:42 |
jcsp | kfox1111: not sure I completely understand your topology (typically we expect the ceph net to be more or less exclusively exposed to hypervisors) but I'm also probably not the right person to tell :-) | 17:43 |
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vponomaryov | amrith: I guess you used default "generic driver", in this case you need to define option "service_instance_network_helper_type=nova" | 17:52 |
amrith | vponomaryov, let me check | 17:52 |
vponomaryov | amrith: and restart "m-shr" service | 17:52 |
vponomaryov | amrith: this opt should be defined in config group related to driver | 17:52 |
amrith | vponomaryov, do I need to create a new backend | 17:55 |
amrith | or can I just jam this into generic? | 17:55 |
vponomaryov | amrith: no, just define opt and restart service | 17:55 |
amrith | thanks vponomaryov ... got past that | 17:56 |
amrith | now creating ... | 17:56 |
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gouthamr | rraja: still here? | 18:04 |
rraja | gouthamr: yes! | 18:04 |
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vponomaryov | bswartz: I propose to remove our job called "gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron-multibackend", its coverage completely replacable with same "postgres" job | 18:05 |
vponomaryov | "gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron" ^ | 18:05 |
gouthamr | rraja: sorry for the latency.. the current version of the client is 2.11; the CEPH change was made in 2.13 (if i'm right), so, please update it to 2.13 ... if some other change merges before yours, you can revert changes to that file, because your change will get a higher microversion for free.. | 18:06 |
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gouthamr | rraja: xyang1's patch is 2.12 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249544 and it will probably be workflowed soon.. your patch could depend on that and update the microversion to 2.13 | 18:07 |
rraja | gouthamr: thanks! np! yeah, i got that. ganso chipped in during your brief absence. | 18:07 |
gouthamr | rraja: nice. sorry about the reiteration then. :) | 18:08 |
rraja | gouthamr: wow! you're sounding british now, too many sorrys. | 18:09 |
gouthamr | rraja: :) haha.. learning my irc manners | 18:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Yogesh proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Annotate CLI commands for experimental features https://review.openstack.org/286706 | 18:24 |
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bswartz | csaba: ping | 18:49 |
bswartz | csaba: it's not clear to us if the new "heketi" layout code is exercised by the existing 2 glusterfs jobs in jenkins -- can you confirm if those jobs exercise the new code? | 18:49 |
csaba | bswartz: I can confirm that the existing jobs don't exercise the new code | 18:50 |
csaba | bswartz: I'm working on the heketi CI job right now. | 18:51 |
bswartz | csaba: where is the CI for the driver? | 18:51 |
bswartz | oh | 18:51 |
bswartz | we can't merge an effectively new driver without CI | 18:51 |
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bswartz | csaba: why wasn't there CI for this 3 weeks ago? | 18:53 |
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csaba | bswartz: I thought the feature proposal requirement is just passing unit test, CI can be provided later on up till the FF. | 18:54 |
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bswartz | csaba: technically we didn't set a deadline for the CI -- but FF is now and I don't see anything voting | 18:55 |
bswartz | yesterday was the target date to tag, but we have a few patches left | 18:56 |
csaba | bswartz: I hope I can launch it in a feew hours. | 18:57 |
bswartz | as soon as the rest of the patches are in, I plan to tag milestone 3 | 18:57 |
csaba | bswartz: well OK. | 18:57 |
bswartz | I don't want to push the milestone to the last minute like we did with liberty | 18:58 |
csaba | I understand. | 18:58 |
bswartz | aovchinnikov: ping? | 19:01 |
openstackgerrit | Clinton Knight proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Support preferred export locations in Manila CLI https://review.openstack.org/284499 | 19:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Yogesh proposed openstack/manila: Add tempest tests for Share Replication https://review.openstack.org/244843 | 19:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila: Move Share Migration code to Data Service https://review.openstack.org/250515 | 19:18 |
openstackgerrit | Ramana Raja proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Add 'cephx' authentication type https://review.openstack.org/274952 | 19:24 |
markstur | gouthamr, ping | 19:27 |
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gouthamr | hi markstur! | 19:28 |
markstur | for the experimental tagging CLI patch of Yogi1 | 19:28 |
markstur | Does it need APIImpact for help + docstring changes? Or DocImpact or both? | 19:28 |
markstur | or neither | 19:29 |
gouthamr | markstur: APIImpact applies only for manila APIs.. since it adds the documentation necessary, we may not have DocImpact.. | 19:29 |
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gouthamr | markstur: i think we should capture stuff like this with reno :) or not. bswartz may have another opinion.. | 19:29 |
markstur | Well it is a minor bugfix. We don't need all of them in reno. | 19:30 |
markstur | SInce it is touching help, I wasn't sure about *Impact. | 19:30 |
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gouthamr | true markstur | 19:31 |
markstur | gouthamr, Looks like the CLI docs are magically built in CI results. Sweet. | 19:36 |
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rraja | cknight: ping | 20:02 |
cknight | rraja: pong | 20:02 |
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rraja | cknight: hi! the cephfs driver BP was set to complete https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/cephfs-driver . can I still refer to this BP in relevant python-manilaclient patches's (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274952/) commit message? | 20:04 |
cknight | rraja: sure, but you better make sure the client patch merges by tomorrow | 20:06 |
rraja | cknight: thanks! will do. | 20:06 |
openstackgerrit | Ramana Raja proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Add 'cephx' authentication type https://review.openstack.org/274952 | 20:10 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: LXC/LXD driver https://review.openstack.org/245751 | 20:13 |
rraja | ganso: ping | 20:20 |
ganso | rraja: pong | 20:20 |
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amrith | folks, setting up manila with devstack. When I attempt to create, I get an error about SSHException: Check whether private key or password are correctly set. Error connecting via ssh: Authentication failed. | 20:23 |
rraja | ganso: regarding your comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274952/ . i think i posed the same question to goutham (earlier in this channel) about the need to implement a version check as done in the server side, and he thought it wasn't necessary. | 20:23 |
amrith | I am able to ssh into the manila service instance with | 20:23 |
amrith | ssh manila@10.0.0.2 | 20:23 |
amrith | and the keypair is properly injected into the manila service instance | 20:23 |
amrith | what user does the m-shr service attempt to use? or are there other common reasons why it may fail to ssh to the service instance? | 20:23 |
ganso | rraja: I think I missed the point of having a client validation, why exactly is this necessary if it is a duplicate of server side validation? first I thought validation was going to be different | 20:24 |
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rraja | ganso: I earlier intended to do that but I had the following question, I'm unable to easily copy over server side authentication of cephx access type on the client side. i don't how to do this on the client side, https://github.com/openstack/manila/commit/9ff0d1312e6be55841eca124741ca45a44955878#diff-f9de13841bba0a384ad1089a1b80d391R89 | 20:24 |
rraja | ganso: yeah it's not really necessary but other auth types seem to do it | 20:25 |
amrith | is there some place in the configuration where I should tell it to use a specific user when it attempts to SSH to the manila service? | 20:25 |
rraja | ganso: how do I check for version request as is done on the server side, as I don't see any request object being passed to allow_access on the client? | 20:25 |
rraja | ganso: so what's your suggestion? | 20:26 |
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ganso | rraja: you could just have a different method annotated with a different version | 20:27 |
ganso | rraja: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250518/20/manilaclient/v2/shares.py | 20:27 |
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ganso | rraja: there are 2 migration_start methods, with 2 different behaviors, depending on microversion | 20:28 |
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openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila: Move Share Migration code to Data Service https://review.openstack.org/250515 | 20:30 |
gouthamr | ganso: do we really need to overload method names for different access types? we're just requesting a new type of access.. | 20:32 |
gouthamr | rraja: ^^ | 20:33 |
gouthamr | rraja: you're only changing what goes into the body.. | 20:33 |
gouthamr | rraja: not part of the URL or hitting a different URL.. | 20:34 |
ganso | gouthamr: I think this validation should not be shown if client is using version prior to 2.13 | 20:38 |
rraja | ganso: ok. thanks! | 20:41 |
ganso | gouthamr: in fact, that is not what goes in the body I am referring to | 20:41 |
ganso | gouthamr: it is the validation itself | 20:41 |
ganso | rraja: ^ | 20:42 |
gouthamr | ganso: i think this is too light a change to take the pain to microversion in the client | 20:44 |
gouthamr | ganso: it's part of the body.. there's no URL change or no different action as such | 20:44 |
cknight | gouthamr: +1 | 20:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Andrea Ma proposed openstack/manila: glusterManager instantiation regexp validation https://review.openstack.org/283777 | 20:46 |
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ganso | gouthamr: it is just redefine a method with a different annotation and call a function "validate_ceph" before the request | 20:53 |
ganso | gouthamr: there is no pain | 20:53 |
openstackgerrit | Andrea Ma proposed openstack/manila: glusterManager instantiation regexp validation https://review.openstack.org/283777 | 20:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: Revert usage of help text marking "admin only" CLIs https://review.openstack.org/287436 | 20:58 |
rraja | cknight: while I can do what ganso suggests, any idea why validation is duplicated in manila client? for a quicker turnaround as gouthamr guessed earlier? | 21:00 |
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vponomaryov1 | cknight, bswartz, ganso, markstur, xyang1: manilaclient functional job will fail until we merge this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284499/ | 21:02 |
vponomaryov1 | because microversions behavior was changed for tested APIs | 21:03 |
ganso | rraja: unless I am very confused, we are validating only because there was already validation of other types in place. I wouldn't even bother with this change at all, it is essentially doing everything the server does. But if we are implementing validation in the client, I think it should be microversioned. | 21:04 |
ganso | vponomaryov1: will read that one | 21:04 |
xyang1 | vponomaryov1: 2.14 already? | 21:05 |
xyang1 | vponomaryov1: mine is at 2.12 | 21:06 |
vponomaryov1 | xyang1: in your commit you can avoid such update | 21:07 |
vponomaryov1 | same for ceph change | 21:07 |
bswartz | xyang1: lots of microversion bumps at the last minute | 21:07 |
bswartz | xyang1: might want to let the cinder folks know that this is what their future looks like | 21:08 |
vponomaryov1 | xyang1, rraja: you client commits can be already rebased on top of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284499/ , because without it your commits will fail on functional tests job and it is in merge conflict | 21:08 |
vponomaryov1 | s/you/your/ | 21:08 |
xyang1 | bswartz: so bump to 2.14 ahead of time to avoid merge conflicts? | 21:08 |
vponomaryov1 | xyang1: serveris already 2.14 | 21:09 |
vponomaryov1 | xyang1: order for client side can be any | 21:09 |
xyang1 | vponomaryov1: ok | 21:09 |
gouthamr | awesome.. so we could avoid bumping the microversion on both xyang1 and rraja's patches | 21:09 |
vponomaryov1 | yes | 21:09 |
bswartz | xyang1: the problem is the forced updates on the server as everyone races for the same version | 21:09 |
bswartz | xyang1: it would be nice if we knew ahead of time the order things would merge so we could all pick numbers and stick with them | 21:09 |
vponomaryov1 | and cknight won! )) | 21:09 |
gouthamr | haha | 21:09 |
cknight | vponomaryov: I won 2.14. But I lost 2.11, 2.12, 2.13. :-) | 21:10 |
cknight | vponomaryov: In the end, we work together and all win. | 21:10 |
gouthamr | cknight: :P i slipped 2.11 in slyly. | 21:11 |
vponomaryov1 | xyang1: you can use "rebase" button in gerrit and id of commit to rebase quicly not losing votes | 21:15 |
vponomaryov1 | and time | 21:15 |
xyang1 | vponomaryov1: ok, let me try the new fancy button:) | 21:15 |
rraja | ganso: are you saying that I could just abandon this patch and not duplicate what the server already does (as it was mentioned in the commit message of the patch)? | 21:16 |
sghatty | All: I have a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1551497 that I need to verify. Does anyone know how to build Manila docs from commandline? | 21:16 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1551497 in Manila "ganesha: private attribute leaks to public API" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Surya Ghatty (ghatty) | 21:16 |
vponomaryov1 | sghatty: tox -e docs | 21:17 |
sghatty | thanks, vponomaryov1! | 21:18 |
sghatty | Do you know the directory where docs are written to? with tox -e docs command? | 21:20 |
bswartz | vponomaryov1: you've looked at this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260554/ | 21:21 |
vponomaryov1 | sghatty: it will create local dir "build" | 21:22 |
bswartz | vponomaryov1: we need to decide whether to merge it now | 21:22 |
vponomaryov1 | bswartz: it is question? | 21:22 |
rraja | ganso: ? | 21:22 |
bswartz | vponomaryov1: we haven't given manila-ui much attention this cycle | 21:22 |
bswartz | but it freezes this week like everything else | 21:23 |
vponomaryov1 | bswartz: I need to test it first | 21:23 |
bswartz | well it might be too late if it's not tested already | 21:23 |
vponomaryov1 | bswartz: will be able to do it tomorrow my morning | 21:23 |
vponomaryov1 | bswartz: 12 hours before FF | 21:23 |
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bswartz | vponomaryov1: that's okay for manila-ui | 21:24 |
bswartz | I don't want to wait that long for manila itself | 21:24 |
bswartz | abhi: ping | 21:26 |
bswartz | abhi: when will we see the next tegile driver patch? | 21:26 |
vponomaryov1 | xyang1: I suspect rebase fancy button does not work? looks like manual rebase required | 21:26 |
bswartz | vponomaryov1: when it says "cannot merge" you have to do a manual rebase | 21:27 |
xyang1 | vponomaryov1: ok, I think I need make mine dependent on that one | 21:27 |
bswartz | xyang1: either that or use Depends-On if you change doesn't conflict with the other | 21:28 |
xyang1 | bswartz: I need to manually modify mine because I changed api version to 2.12 in mine | 21:28 |
bswartz | markstur: ping | 21:30 |
markstur | bswartz, pong | 21:30 |
bswartz | markstur: why recheck this? looks like pep8 (bashate) is what failed... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278682/ | 21:31 |
bswartz | and failure took only 30 seconds | 21:31 |
bswartz | is there a problem with the patch or is there a problem with manila-image-elements? | 21:31 |
ganso | rraja: sorry for the delay, I am driving. Essentially, I would be fine with that. Not sure if other core devs would agree | 21:31 |
* bswartz supposes he will find out... | 21:32 | |
cknight | ganso: I stepped through a good bit of your migration code last week, I'm reading the rest of it now. One question: why did you not use the retrying library for all your methods that retry things? That would seem to simplify your code. | 21:33 |
markstur | That was quite a while ago, but I think since it didn't seem like the problem was related to this patch set, I figured it wouldn't hurt to see if the error was repeatable vs. a one-time problem. | 21:33 |
bswartz | If I'm not mistaken, bashate found a problem in tools/run_bashate.sh.... | 21:35 |
ganso | cknight: you mean the parts where I keep polling for the status? | 21:35 |
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cknight | ganso: yes, in places like create_instance_and_wait() | 21:35 |
openstackgerrit | xing-yang proposed openstack/python-manilaclient: CLI for manage/unmanage snapshot https://review.openstack.org/249544 | 21:36 |
ganso | cknight: I guess I did not think about it back then | 21:37 |
bswartz | oh most of these messages are warnings | 21:37 |
bswartz | nevermind | 21:37 |
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cknight | ganso: OK. Not insisting on it now, but it's worth looking into as a simplification. | 21:37 |
ganso | cknight: I can work on it in M4, open a bug that should be using retry library | 21:38 |
xyang1 | cknight: vponomaryov1 bswartz can I have +2 +A back? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249544/ | 21:38 |
cknight | xyang1: looking, seems to work | 21:39 |
xyang1 | cknight: made it dependent on yours | 21:39 |
openstackgerrit | Ben Swartzlander proposed openstack/manila-image-elements: Don't run bashate on conf files https://review.openstack.org/287460 | 21:43 |
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bswartz | vponomaryov1 cknight markstur xyang1: ^ please take a look at this manila-image-elements patch -- I need to get that project in working shape so I can help dencaval with the install guide issue | 21:45 |
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vponomaryov1 | bswartz: here is fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232142/27/tools/run_bashate.sh | 21:50 |
bswartz | vponomaryov1: I'm confused -- are you saying that bashate actually does know how to check config files? | 21:51 |
bswartz | where is the E040 exception implemented? | 21:52 |
bswartz | oh it's there are the end of the super long line | 21:53 |
bswartz | Okay I'll do that instead | 21:53 |
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bswartz | only if bashate is actually supposed to support conf files though | 21:55 |
bswartz | vponomaryov1: I can't find evidence that bashate treats config files specially -- it seems to only understand bash | 21:56 |
bswartz | adding an exception just masks the bigger problem | 21:57 |
bswartz | I think the correct fix is to skip the config file and keep E040 enabled | 21:57 |
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openstackgerrit | Abhilash Divakaran proposed openstack/manila: Add share driver for Tegile IntelliFlash Arrays https://review.openstack.org/278169 | 22:06 |
bswartz | abhi: thanks | 22:06 |
bswartz | cknight: ^ | 22:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila-image-elements: Don't run bashate on conf files https://review.openstack.org/287460 | 22:49 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: Add additional documentation on extra spec operations. https://review.openstack.org/282063 | 23:18 |
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kfox1111 | so how does auth with the new cephfs driver work? | 23:28 |
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openstackgerrit | Surya Ghatty proposed openstack/manila: Remove private attribute from public API https://review.openstack.org/287506 | 23:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Surya Ghatty proposed openstack/manila: Remove private attribute from public API https://review.openstack.org/287506 | 23:33 |
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cknight1 | markstur, ganso, bswartz, toabctl: I'm a bit surprised, but the Tegile driver is much better than yesterday. They met the previous deadlines, and their CI has been reporting for a while, so I think we owe them a shot at core reviews. Anyone else available to help? For a new driver, it's pretty simple and readable. | 23:40 |
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