Wednesday, 2015-04-15

openstackgerritMadhusudhan Kandadai proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Admin/Non-admin API tempest tests  https://review.openstack.org/17183200:08
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johnsomTrevorV I hit the issue I thought I was going to hit...  "listener.pool.health_monitor.update(update_dict)" gets "AttributeError: 'Listener' object has no attribute 'pool'"00:38
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rm_you|uhhh00:41
rm_you|johnsom: I think the backref isn't set00:41
rm_you|ah no, it is00:42
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rm_you|johnsom: it's "default_pool"00:42
rm_you|https://github.com/stackforge/octavia/blob/master/octavia/db/models.py#L28300:42
rm_you|that, correct?00:42
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron-lbaas: Fixing Radware LBaaS v2 driver entity deletion  https://review.openstack.org/17270900:48
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kobisis it planned to have a proposed/kilo or stable/kilo branch for neutron-lbaas?13:52
kobisif so - i gotta fix the ci to act accordingly (e.g pull the correct neutron branch etc)13:53
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openstackgerritPhillip Toohill proposed stackforge/octavia: Preparing for tempest testing  https://review.openstack.org/17219914:58
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TrevorVjohnsom active yet?15:36
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rm_you|xgerman: I am sad no one did an Amphora based logo T_T16:02
rm_you|xgerman: someone with actual art skills should mock this up better: http://i.imgur.com/j5aH3gA.png :P16:02
rm_you|I don't even have photoshop here, just gimp <_<16:03
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* blogan pukes16:03
rm_youblogan: it could be awesome if drawn properly by someone who has like... actual art skills16:04
* rm_you does not have the skills of an artist16:04
* blogan puked at amphora being the focal point of a logo for octavia16:04
rm_youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gz1DIIxmEE&t=13s16:05
rm_youI have approximately Strongbad's skills of an artist16:05
bloganperhaps the LB in the circles in arrows diagram can be made of little amphorae16:05
rm_youlol16:06
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rm_workotherwise I don't mind logo A16:10
rm_workbut it's kinda generic16:11
bloganjust like a load balancer should be16:11
rm_workdesign 'i' is ok too, maybe with the orange color from a, and Octavia in tiny letters below it? :/16:12
rm_workdunno16:12
bloganyeah a and i were tied in my mind16:12
rm_workthat's kinda what I was trying to do16:12
rm_workexcept with more amphorae :P16:12
bloganyou mean one giant amphora piercing through my eyes?16:13
rm_work:P16:13
blogani think the i logo being orange and next to the Octavia lettering in a would be great16:13
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xgermanrm_work nice picture -- barclac actuakky got our resident artist to draw some stuff... but we cna always give him feedback ;-)16:23
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TrevorVxgerman I have a couple pictures to toss out there16:24
TrevorVJust literally drawn on paper16:24
xgermansure, we can have more pictures... we probably need to add them to the agenda and use consecutive letters so we can vore or ask for a cross between a and g16:25
TrevorVYeah, that's fine, just letting you know I ahven't got them OUT there yet :D16:25
xgermannice.. the more choices the better ;-)16:27
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rm_workxgerman: yeah that definitely looked like a corp artist16:35
rm_workxgerman: get him to do something with an Amphora :P16:36
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TrevorVrm_work no one is going to do something with your stupid egyptian vase thing.  Not happenin17:12
TrevorVI will -2 that on principle17:13
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blogan_TrevorV: its actually roman17:17
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ptoohillbot down?17:54
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TrevorVCould someone NOT from Rax check this link for me? https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1PvJj_8A6oFRdUN9xAgm9Z8joM33Z7CuTJUzCQn3GoCM/edit?usp=sharing18:39
TrevorVWant to make sure you can see it18:39
openstackgerritmin wang proposed stackforge/octavia: health manager service  https://review.openstack.org/16006118:40
ptoohillupload to imgur?18:40
TrevorVI can, ptoohill, I just wanted to leave it in an editable format in the case of suggestions from other companies on tweeks/mods18:41
ptoohillfair enough18:41
johnsomTrevorV I can see that link18:45
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madhu_ak#openstack-meeting-alt19:01
madhu_akoops, sorry19:01
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johnsomNot for another hour madhu_ak19:04
madhu_akheh, yeah, I was about to use that channel using /join , I hit that too fast :)19:05
TrevorVjohnsom I'm more proposing mine as sticker options, not directly the logo.  Ideally if we liked any of the ones I've built in that doc, we could just remove the surrounding "octavia" text and leave that as the logo, if we so chose.19:06
TrevorVTotally up to suggestions for improvements, in other words :P19:06
johnsomI kind of like the bottom middle one19:06
blogan_well we know what TrevorV has been working on all day19:07
TrevorVYes, well, it came up outta nowhere and then there is talk of voting on it, so I thought I should hurry along with some suggestions of our own19:07
TrevorVblogan_19:07
johnsomyeah, there is a push to make up some stickers for the summit19:08
blogan_when i look at those images i feel like im looking at something to do with a seafaring product19:08
blogan_octavia: load balancers for the sea19:08
johnsomThey have a little civil engineering/union feel19:10
xgermanfor me they look Eastern European19:11
xgermanso maybe baltic sea faring union?19:11
blogan_TrevorV: why don't you make one with the word Octavia, but the O in octavia is just the logo on the far right19:12
johnsomLogos or tattoos?19:12
TrevorVYeah, that was one of the options as well blogan_19:12
xgermanI expect everybody to get the logo as tattoo in Vancouber --19:12
blogan_should totally go with sickle and hammer19:12
TrevorVJust not done up yet19:12
ptoohillme likey19:13
xgermanpart of hazing, and you need to be towed while at the tattoo parlor19:13
blogan_why must i be the only one who has been hazed?19:13
TrevorVcheck now blogan_19:14
blogan_you all need to prove your commitment and get towed today!19:14
ptoohillreally diggin' the 'logo youre adding now TrevorV19:14
blogan_TrevorV: yep just as i thought, i dont like it19:14
TrevorVHa ha19:14
ptoohill><19:14
TrevorVDid we have legitimate other options or should I just letter mine up after the letters in xgerman email from earlier?19:14
xgermannot sure how much rm_work liked his option19:15
blogan_guess i just dont like green on this19:15
ptoohillplease no jars19:15
blogan_i still like the combination of a) and i) from xgerman's email19:15
ptoohill:P19:15
xgermanyeah, we can ask the artist to fuse them ;-)19:16
rm_workptoohill: it's not a jar, IT'S AN AMPHORA19:16
rm_workffffff19:16
ptoohilllolol19:16
TrevorVblogan_ what do you mean fusion of A/I19:16
TrevorV?19:16
rm_workalso, I am behind the top-right one (the blue one) now19:16
rm_workeither with the circle or the octagon in the center19:16
TrevorVblogan_ we can also pick whatever color, I just put green cuz I'm a fan of green19:17
ptoohillyea, the blue does look better, but everyone has blue19:17
blogan_https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2PMpzWrmNENemdfNVJ5WmtyQ2M/view19:17
blogan_use a)'s text and color, put in front o fit i) with the same orange color instead of red19:17
TrevorVblogan_ I have the logos page up already, I'm asking what is the fusion?  Replace the circle thing with the square design thing?19:18
johnsomAck, there are two different links for the HP images, worse yet, they have a different order.19:18
blogan_or make i a circle instead of a square, and use it ias the O in octavia19:18
TrevorVAnd keep ubuntu... I mean orange color scheme?19:18
blogan_ubuntu has puke orange and shit brown color scheme19:18
blogan_i like bright colors, like my polos19:19
ptoohilldookie19:19
TrevorVUh, you're not accurate by either means blogan_ , just FYI.19:19
ptoohillWALMART BLUE HERE WE COME19:19
TrevorVMust be from the trauma you experienced from the towing company19:19
blogan_johnsom: im going off the link xgerman sent in his email19:19
johnsomYeah, what were the towing company's colors?19:20
TrevorVSame johnsom19:20
johnsomI hope it's the one that has "Let's vote"19:20
xgermanyep, maybe we should just get a tow truck in our logo ;-)19:20
ptoohilllol19:20
ptoohillthree way towing hook19:21
TrevorVSO the ubuntu logo ptoohill ?19:23
ptoohill?19:23
TrevorVNothing, just messing with 3's.19:23
ptoohilloh :P19:23
TrevorVAnyway, I would prefer staying away from orange included with circles... Reminds me of ubuntu, and will look too close to it from a distance IMO.19:24
ptoohillThese? http://crenk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/new-ubuntu-logo-compared.jpg19:26
TrevorVEspecially the top left one, yes.  I didn't say it was cut/paste of the ubuntu symbol, just saying when I see that color scheme and circles involved my head thinks ubuntu.19:27
ptoohillFair enough. This is fun in either case19:28
ptoohillis 'o' red or pink, can you try #FF404019:32
TrevorVYeah, I was just showing that the colors aren't really important to me, I was trying to focus on structure of the sticker.  We can just say "pick this and see how it looks" for a few attempts ya know?19:34
TrevorVptoohill updated to FF404019:35
TrevorV(Honestly looks a little too bright to me19:35
ptoohillhmm19:35
ptoohillyea19:35
ptoohillcoral red19:35
ptoohillcould translate well on stickers though19:35
ptoohillyou want things to POP19:36
TrevorVAlright, look at what I just put19:36
TrevorVptoohill #ff4040de19:36
TrevorVSince you have to talk about "saturation" as well, so you need the next one "de"19:36
ptoohillnot as 'in your face' bright19:36
TrevorVI can dig that one19:36
TrevorVI honestly just like pastels for stickers19:36
ptoohillbut then they just blend in19:37
ptoohillfor advertising you want the 'POP'19:37
sballeI agree with ptoohill19:37
TrevorVYes, popping is good, but eye hurting is bad.19:37
sballeI personally like primary colors since they are brighter19:37
ptoohillNO< THEIR EYES SHALL BLEED OCTAVIA19:38
sballelol19:38
ptoohill:P19:38
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TrevorVsballe if you check the google link I have up there somewhere, you can see a primary-color-red option to our logos19:38
sballewill do19:39
* TrevorV really wishes xgerman had said something about logos like 2 weeks ago19:39
xgermansorry, to spring that on you...19:39
ptoohill34 days till conference, how long to get things printed and shipped?19:39
ptoohillcould possibly postpone till next week for vote depending on that19:39
TrevorVNah, its all good, I just do art work in my spare time, so I like to tinker with stuff like this19:39
sballeAre these the choices: https://drive.google.com/a/hp.com/file/d/0B2PMpzWrmNENemdfNVJ5WmtyQ2M/view19:40
ptoohillThose are the one TrevorV added, sballe19:40
TrevorVsballe that's xgermans19:40
ptoohilloh19:40
ptoohillwrong link :P19:40
xgermanyep19:40
xgermanhttps://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1PvJj_8A6oFRdUN9xAgm9Z8joM33Z7CuTJUzCQn3GoCM/edit19:40
TrevorVsballe https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1PvJj_8A6oFRdUN9xAgm9Z8joM33Z7CuTJUzCQn3GoCM/edit?usp=sharing19:40
TrevorVthat ones mine19:41
xgermanis the other one19:41
sballeOh I thought I seen these before.19:41
sballeok thx19:41
TrevorVMy team is now saying I should only show you two of these... so stop looking :P19:41
sballeWil we vote on al of them or can we narrow it down to 3 or 419:41
TrevorVI would like to narrow to 3 or 4 personally.19:41
TrevorVI mean I've only touched on this just today, so I was kinda looking for some feedback before the voting would take place so I could have a good couple things to add19:42
TrevorVWith so many options it makes it tough to get a good vote.19:42
xgerman+119:43
TrevorVHonestly I'd like to see at most 5 choices between all of them.19:44
TrevorVEven then, we could make a decision on basics of the design, and then talk through a few subtle changes on that and then decide which of THOSE we like.  As in a structural vote, and then a specifics vote, does that make sense?  Or is that too much?19:45
sballeTrevorV: coudl RAX agree on 2 or 3 of the RAX proposals and we'll do the smae and then we do a monkey survey on the remaining 519:47
TrevorVI think we already ahve the 3 we'd pick from :)19:47
TrevorVhave**19:47
sballeok sorry for coming late to the dicsusion :-(19:48
sballeSo what are the 3?19:48
TrevorVJ, L, M.  The differences between the ones they are adjacent to are subtle and can be sorted out if the designs are chosen.19:49
sballethx19:50
xgermanok, we didn't narrow down the HP ones and the person who can add letters is on vacation today :-(19:50
TrevorVTechnically you could say J and M are our proposals, and we could just decide on the subtelties before next week19:50
xgermanok19:50
xgermanI am happy as long as we get a logo...19:50
TrevorVRight, well, technically my proposals are for the stickers, not the logo.  The logos I've designed are in the top right of the document, not marked.19:50
TrevorVSorry for the confusion there.19:51
sballeTrevorV: make sense19:51
TrevorVxgerman ^^19:51
xgermanok, so we pick a logo and then a sticker design? Two votes?19:52
ptoohillI honestly would like to see the 'J' without text from RAX with the from from a-d of HP :)19:52
sballeTrevorV: Shouldn't the sticker and the logo be the same19:52
ptoohillfont*19:52
sballeOtherwise it is too complicated19:52
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zigoHi there!19:53
TrevorVsballe I agree AND disagree on the complication part.  Technically the logo and our sticker are the same, just the sticker has text encircling the logo's outter color ring... So its not THAT much more complicated, but yes it does add a level of change between them19:53
zigoWhy is neutron-lbaas installing config files in /usr/etc?19:54
zigoI can deal with it in my Debian package, but that's kind of silly, no?19:54
sballexgerman: I do see letters next to each logo.https://drive.google.com/a/hp.com/file/d/0B2PMpzWrmNENemdfNVJ5WmtyQ2M/view Don't you?19:54
xgermanyep, I can but we can't change them19:54
xgermanuntil Julian is back ;-)19:54
xgermanso I think we are set for today19:54
TrevorVxgerman if you just tell us the letters to pick from your review we should be okay right?19:54
xgermanyep19:55
xgermanor I just let you pick from all :-)19:55
crc32it installs in /etc/neutron for me. But then I install through devstack.19:55
TrevorVHa, then we'll leave ours for the same :D19:55
ajmillerzigo, neutron-lbaas itself doesn't install config files in /usr.19:55
zigoajmiller: Well, python setup.py install does install stuff in there.19:56
ajmillerHmmm19:56
zigoFYI, I'm the person behind all the Debian packages of OpenStack, so I know what I'm doing, and here, I'm really surprised.19:56
xgermanthat doesn't seem right... we want them in /etc/neutron19:57
ajmilleryes19:57
johnsomI don't think we specify /usr at all19:57
zigoxgerman: It does install them in /usr/etc/neutron ...19:58
crc32setting up a VM cause now I'm wondering19:58
xgermanok, let us verify and come back to you19:59
johnsomzigo, the last devstack I installed with kilo lbaas doesn't even have /usr/etc19:59
johnsomOur configs land in /etc/neutron19:59
zigojohnsom: I'm not using devstack, tox, or pip, just pbr...19:59
xgermanyep, you know us devs... if it works in devsatck we are happy ;-)20:00
zigoI'll try overriding dh_install, and see what happens if I do things by hand, myself...20:00
blogan_dougwig: you able to help zigo out on this?20:00
dougwigwhat did i miss?20:00
zigoxgerman: Yeah, "it works in devstack" (tm)... :)20:01
zigoI hear that almost every day! :)20:01
blogan_i bet you do zigo!20:01
dougwigzigo: hmm, that's new to me.  it's config file is specified in setup.cfg in exactly the same was a neutron.  did we mess something up?20:01
blogan_but its expected as most of the people in these channels use it to develop20:01
dougwig /was/way/20:01
zigoJust give me a few minutes to try something out ...20:02
zigo(ie: override_dh_install: python setup.py install --root ...)20:02
johnsoma quick grep of our code doesn't pop up usr20:02
johnsomOther than where it's used to run a command20:03
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zigoHum... it seems that doing things "by hand" (ie: not leaving dh_install do its stuff by itself) fixes the issue.20:06
zigoSo just forget it ... :)20:06
zigoHum... no.20:06
zigoI did some crap, trying again! :)20:06
dougwigthe suspense, it's killing me!  :)20:07
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crc32lucky you. neutron-lbaas doesn't even install on a fresh vm for me.20:11
dougwigcrc32: via devstack or setuptools?20:12
crc32"python setup.py install"20:12
crc32its cool I was just wondering where the conf would go. :/20:12
crc32running the command twice seemed to work though.20:13
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crc32the first time seems to complain that gcc exited error code `20:13
zigocrc32: Try apt-get then... :)20:31
crc32yea it claims to have installed after "apt-get install python-dev20:35
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crc32so my install went to /usr/local/etc20:38
TrevorVxgerman you can check my designs for the updated one real quick if you like20:46
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blogan_johnsom: what states would a member go through when its created?21:02
johnsomPending create I assume.  The time between API request 202 and the config getting pushed out to the amps.21:03
TrevorVxgerman did I screw up and miss ssh_driver talk?!!21:03
johnsomWe ran out of time21:04
TrevorVGotcha21:04
blogan_okay so then then the API would just update the loadbalancer and listener to PENDING_UDPATE, and so its up to the worker to update them back to ACTIVE21:04
TrevorVbarclaac would you mind looking back at my designs link?  I made changes according to decisions already21:04
blogan_i assume the same would happen for health monitor and pool21:05
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blogan_and if listener gets a delete requestion, it would be in a PENDING_DELETE status21:05
johnsomOk, do we have the code posted that does this logic?  It would be great to see what has been implemented on the other side21:05
blogan_the code for setting the statuses is in yes, putting them into an ACTIVE state is up to the worker21:06
blogan_though there is a simulated controller handler that does all that status management as well21:07
johnsomTotally agree on the worker part.  What is the file called that is setting the status on the other side?21:07
blogan_setting the status to PENDING_UPDATE and all that?21:09
johnsomYeah, all I see is the old operator api21:10
blogan_operator api = octavia api21:11
blogan_there's just one api right now21:11
blogan_https://github.com/stackforge/octavia/blob/master/octavia/api/v1/controllers/member.py#L421:11
blogan_it's calling that method to set the loadbalancer and listener statuses21:12
johnsomok, I think you answered my question21:12
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openstackgerritCarlos Garza proposed stackforge/octavia: Switched from sha265 to sha256 in octavia.conf  https://review.openstack.org/17410621:17
barclaacTrevorV: yes, I see them. I've also got our design guys working on it. Do you mind if I pass yours along?21:29
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TrevorVNo please do21:30
TrevorVIf you have them email me I can send them jpegs or whatnot of them, and they can edit freely21:31
TrevorVbarclaac ^^^21:31
barclaacwill do21:31
blogan_TrevorV, barclaac: i like D21:35
blogan_quote that all you want21:35
barclaacWe could get a better tagline. How about "load balancing that doesn't suck"21:35
rm_workblogan_: I also like D21:37
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TrevorVFor anyone who would like to view the updates made from after the vote in the meeting:  https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1PvJj_8A6oFRdUN9xAgm9Z8joM33Z7CuTJUzCQn3GoCM/edit?usp=sharing21:41
TrevorVsballe ^^21:41
rm_workthat D tho21:42
openstackgerritDoug Wiegley proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: WIP - Octavia driver  https://review.openstack.org/17411421:42
sballeTrevorV: Thx21:43
barclaacAre we planning to formally deprecate the lbaas-v1 interface in Kilo?21:46
barclaacAnd what does that even mean in Openstack speak?21:46
barclaacanyone? mestery, do you have an opinion?21:48
mesteryYes, we need to deprecate it.21:49
mesterybarclaac: That means it's deprecated in Liberty, so we keep it for M and remove it in N21:49
mesterythat's how deprecation works, it's 2 cycles21:49
barclaacGot it. So we've got to make sure it still works through M.21:49
barclaacCould we accelerate and deprecate it in Kilo?21:50
barclaacThen we could remove in M? It's likely to get increasingly more expensive to maintain.21:50
crc32blogan?21:52
blogan_barclaac: i don't think it'd be wise to deprecate it in kilo, even if we could21:54
blogan_barclaac: since v2 is so new21:54
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barclaacok. did we break v1 in building v2 or are there still gates to maintain v1?21:54
blogan_barclaac: no didnt break, tempest still has the v1 tests so they're gated as well21:55
barclaacOK, cool.21:56
blogan_and we'll probably move v1 tests into tree for liberty as well21:56
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openstackgerritDoug Wiegley proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: WIP - Octavia driver  https://review.openstack.org/17411422:08
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openstackgerritBrandon Logan proposed stackforge/octavia: Implemented Queue Consumer  https://review.openstack.org/14978922:19
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openstackgerritDoug Wiegley proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: WIP - Octavia driver  https://review.openstack.org/17411422:31
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openstackgerritDoug Wiegley proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: WIP - Octavia driver  https://review.openstack.org/17411422:38
TrevorVxgerman_ I'm late but I updated the meeting minutes22:54
xgerman_thanks a dozen22:54
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openstackgerritGerman Eichberger proposed stackforge/octavia: haproxy reference amphora REST API client  https://review.openstack.org/17117223:28
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