| brinzhang_ | yoctozepto: We have the stand API but there is not many time to write a docs for it, we will prioritize the improvement of API Docs later, and we hope many people join us to improve it too ^^ | 00:41 |
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| brinzhang_ | yoctozepto: I asked Venus PTL to send the venus instruction again on ML, you will see how Venus interacts with fluentd/elastic. | 00:43 |
| brinzhang_ | and the difference with monasca will replied on that application patch https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/804824 | 00:44 |
| brinzhang_ | thanks^ | 00:44 |
| *** rpittau|afk is now known as rpittau | 07:08 | |
| opendevreview | Pierre Riteau proposed openstack/kolla master: Add example of switching CentOS binary images to current release https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/805128 | 07:17 |
| yoctozepto | mgoddard, mnasiadka: extras re venus ~> https://smallpdf.com/result#r=39dec53ea8c1ff08e5cdbed7f77a3885&t=share-document | 07:20 |
| yoctozepto | plus comments on change in k-a | 07:20 |
| yoctozepto | and in governance | 07:21 |
| yoctozepto | and also mailing list | 07:21 |
| yoctozepto | I also got a personal reply that I can share as these are answers to the question from our yesterday meeting: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3KCMDNMMCD/ | 07:23 |
| yoctozepto | questions* | 07:23 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/kolla master: Add example of switching CentOS binary images to current release https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/805128 | 08:00 |
| opendevreview | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Remove chrony role from kolla https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/791743 | 08:06 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/kayobe-config stable/victoria: Synchronise with latest kayobe for victoria https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe-config/+/803361 | 08:19 |
| opendevreview | Pierre Riteau proposed openstack/kayobe master: Add twentyFiveGigE to port descriptions in inspector rules https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/802709 | 08:39 |
| priteau | mgoddard: Corey Bryant replied to my email and unlocked the new aodh package. https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/804268 is now green. | 08:40 |
| mgoddard | priteau: excellent. approved | 08:42 |
| clayjar | Is there a support matrix page equivalent with versions of OpenStack in various stages of support? | 08:43 |
| jingvar | Hi folk! I have a question, what about admin network if it on bond? network_data.json can't generate bond... | 08:43 |
| clayjar | I'm assuming ussuri and victoria are most tended right now, but we're on train and considering staying with it for a few more months for $reasons. | 08:44 |
| yoctozepto | clayjar: wallaby is the current stable focus; we are working on xena; ussuri and victoria get regular support; ussuri will soon drop out to extended maintenance; train is in extended maintenance | 08:45 |
| mgoddard | clayjar: https://releases.openstack.org/ | 08:45 |
| clayjar | Ah right wallaby, missed another release :| So is train likely to drop from e-m to another state before the end of the yera? | 08:45 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Trivial fix neutron's agent configuration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805166 | 08:46 |
| mgoddard | clayjar: typically when a release goes into EM we stop actively backporting fixes, but will accept fixes if proposed by others | 08:46 |
| yoctozepto | ++ (deleted my message because mgoddard was faster) | 08:46 |
| mgoddard | clayjar: we just made queens EOL, so they can stay EM for some time | 08:47 |
| clayjar | Right, so same cadence as the whole project of projects. Thanks mgoddard | 08:47 |
| mgoddard | clayjar: train is likely to rot soon however, since it supports python 2 | 08:47 |
| clayjar | Well we want to get to train this year, then immediately look at upgrading. The alternative is the more labour-intensive upgrade process on our existing kit before migrating to k-a. | 08:48 |
| clayjar | uh s/get to train/get our prod train cluster to K-A/ | 08:48 |
| mgoddard | In reality people will be on train for some time. local fix backports can get you a long way | 08:50 |
| clayjar | And I see on that page that individual projects can choose when something goes from e-m to eol, and if queens has only just gone, then as you say, train looks healthy for a bit longer. | 08:50 |
| clayjar | Okay good, that is two out of three boxes ticked for me to commit to my proposed approach. Now to choose the right manager and convince him too. | 08:51 |
| yoctozepto | clayjar: good luck | 08:53 |
| yoctozepto | you already know where to get support :D | 08:53 |
| clayjar | You bet I do (: | 08:53 |
| clayjar | Also, I love that it's ansible, which I'm *just* familiar enough with to dig through and wonder aloud why a thing does a thing, a la my ceph-ansible hackery today. | 08:54 |
| clayjar | I'm more familiar with Puppet, and a little sorry to be leaving it behind, but I've reconciled to that. | 08:55 |
| yoctozepto | I'm no longer sorry to waste all my puppet experience (-: | 09:07 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Fix haproxy precheck when kolla_externally_managed_cert is used https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/804793 | 09:15 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/kolla master: Add some system users to fix user uid inconsistencies https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/802671 | 09:15 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/kolla master: Always use the distro-provided libvirt-python https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/804978 | 09:15 |
| kevko | \o/ | 09:15 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/victoria: Set changed_when to false for group_by tasks https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805132 | 09:17 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/ussuri: Set changed_when to false for group_by tasks https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805133 | 09:18 |
| opendevreview | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: WIP: cinder: deploy cinder-volume on control for Ceph backend https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805169 | 09:19 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: tools: use /usr/bin/env bash instead of /bin/bash https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/804872 | 09:22 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/ussuri: Set changed_when to false for group_by tasks https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805133 | 09:23 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla stable/wallaby: Add some system users to fix user uid inconsistencies https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/805134 | 09:25 |
| opendevreview | Will Szumski proposed openstack/kayobe master: Add support for infrastructure VMs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/783627 | 09:39 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Set any_error_fatal true for gather-facts https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805174 | 09:39 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Set any_error_fatal true for gather-facts https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805174 | 09:42 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/kolla master: [release] Use UCA Xena https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/804268 | 10:04 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Rename role haproxy to loadbalancer https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/770618 | 10:07 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add proxysql support for database https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/770215 | 10:07 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Edit services roles to support database sharding https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/770216 | 10:07 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [CI] Test ProxySQL with shards in the nova cells scenario https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/770621 | 10:07 |
| ignaziocassano | Hello, I just updated my kolla wallaby installation, and seems the bug 1815989 has not solved yet. | 10:13 |
| ignaziocassano | I lost packets during live migration | 10:13 |
| ignaziocassano | Is there any prediction for the solution of this problem? | 10:14 |
| yoctozepto | ignaziocassano: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1815989 says upstream is still in progress of fixing, nothing that we can do | 10:18 |
| ignaziocassano | yoctozepto: it is a big issue and they carry it from some version | 10:20 |
| ignaziocassano | I do not understand reading the bug status: it is in progress but unassigned. What does it mean ? | 10:23 |
| kevko | hmm, it looks like it was merged ..but removed again | 10:24 |
| kevko | ignaziocassano: removed by this commit https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/nova/+/773409 | 10:24 |
| ignaziocassano | kevko: It is very hard for me to understand what they are doing. It is a very old issue and I think it is very important having live migration without issues | 10:26 |
| ignaziocassano | I wonder if in commercial distribution there is the same problem | 10:27 |
| kevko | hmm, sorry, it looks like they removed only accidentally added code | 10:27 |
| kevko | which version do you use | 10:28 |
| yoctozepto | ignaziocassano: hard to tell; live migrations do not really have SLA | 10:28 |
| kevko | yoctozepto: will you have some time for proxysql :P ? | 10:29 |
| yoctozepto | the world in general is more focused on kubernetes-based solutions for app-native resiliency mechanisms | 10:29 |
| yoctozepto | kevko: yes, some, but not now | 10:29 |
| yoctozepto | I saw you hit another merge conflict | 10:29 |
| ignaziocassano | kevko: I am using kolla wallaby with ubuntu source images. Last version I used without problems was stein with some patches to the code , ut in that version I did not use kolla, I installed it by hand | 10:30 |
| kevko | yoctozepto: yeah, already rebased .. but it was tiny conflict ..rebase helped (https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/commit/0858d5487e0cb2928278ee2fac66e8ad661b3f32) :) | 10:31 |
| ignaziocassano | yoctozepto: I know there is a lot of interests around docker and kubernetes, but we have a lot of very old applications. | 10:32 |
| ignaziocassano | yoctozepto: we started to use kubernetes with rancher. Do you know what is the best solution for kubernetes in openstack ? I tested magnum in the past. I presume kubernetes will kill openstack | 10:37 |
| yoctozepto | ignaziocassano: I understand your case; there are lots of legacy applications for sure | 10:41 |
| yoctozepto | ignaziocassano: in a very long term? probably yes; but something might overrule k8s in the meantime as well ;-) | 10:42 |
| yoctozepto | though definitely the new approach at applications will evolve rather than devolve | 10:42 |
| yoctozepto | kevko: base +2 | 10:43 |
| kevko | i don't think k8s will kill openstack | 10:45 |
| kevko | firstly it is different - k8s are containers actually while openstack are virtual machines .. | 10:46 |
| kevko | secondly .. it's very common to deploy k8s on virtuals ..not baremetal ..so there will be always some cloud/virtual solution ..in this case openstack .. | 10:47 |
| kevko | but yeah, I agree that developing apps designed to run in pods (or let's say k8s, openshift etc..) is future | 10:48 |
| Fl1nt | k8s can't kill Openstack indeed, we had an extensive period of reflexion about it, but architecuraly speaking, k8s is still limited in its ability to manage HW resources correctly where OS isn't as a giant wrapper around existing solution ignaziocassano | 11:14 |
| Fl1nt | Futur of app is something really close to Unikernel trends, but yet, we're still far away from having something really simple and cross-platform available, so maybe in 10 to 15 years away. | 11:15 |
| Fl1nt | main problem with k8s/Openshift etc is that they're monolithic gaz factory way more complicated in design that Openstack simple service<-->MQ or service<-->HTTP APIs model. | 11:17 |
| Fl1nt | mgoddard, where do you want me to place the Cloudkitty <--> elasticsearch/prometheus documentation? Within admin? user? reference? | 11:28 |
| Fl1nt | Is there someone from core able to review this patch? https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/800080 | 11:29 |
| ignaziocassano | Thanks for your answers. We are using ranche fro kubernetes on vmware and openstack virtual machines | 11:52 |
| ignaziocassano | Thanks for your answers. We are using rancher forkubernetes on vmware and openstack virtual machines | 11:52 |
| yoctozepto | kevko, Fl1nt, ignaziocassano: well, by a "very long term" I meant something like 15 years indeed | 12:10 |
| yoctozepto | and then there still be companies relying on physical machines like they do today | 12:11 |
| yoctozepto | and so also those relying on virtual machines | 12:11 |
| Fl1nt | yep totally | 12:12 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: in fact, k8s is simpler than OpenStack ;-) data store + control loop - can't get any simpler than that | 12:12 |
| yoctozepto | the point is; to benefit from kubernetes, or the general cloud-native trend, the applications have to adapt | 12:12 |
| yoctozepto | so there is a need for an action from developers | 12:13 |
| Fl1nt | no no no, they're hidding plenty concept behind those monolithic thing, I mean, yes sure the 10 000 feet overview is the same Control plan + Workers basically, but yet, TODAY K8 is just a containers scheduler. | 12:13 |
| yoctozepto | ops folks can't simply say: "yeah, let's go kubernetes, whatever that our apps are far from optimal for that" | 12:13 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: yes, k8s is just a containers scheduler | 12:14 |
| yoctozepto | but with a sane design | 12:14 |
| Fl1nt | But OS and HW are stil there for like... forever indeed, I mean, we still have Fortran and AS400 everywhere :D | 12:14 |
| yoctozepto | and lots of human minds thinking about extending it | 12:14 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: yes, it's not going to get to 0 in like 100 years I guess | 12:15 |
| Fl1nt | It's considered as sane as long as you think of it as only containers oriented, once you're extending it to something else, more abstractive like Network/Storage etc it's a slaughterhouse. | 12:15 |
| Fl1nt | but basically, having a monolithic approach is working 99% of case so that's still a very good and clean tool when used appropriately. | 12:16 |
| yoctozepto | possibly, but I'm generally optimistic about the current progress | 12:16 |
| yoctozepto | anyhow, I am always afraid of those CTOs from jokes that tell you to migrate your VM workloads to k8s and expect magic | 12:17 |
| Fl1nt | However, once you stumble within the Amdahl law because of your company/job/needs then monolithic approach is screwed. | 12:17 |
| Fl1nt | exactly | 12:17 |
| Fl1nt | as those coming and telling everyone, pass from Python/Java/Whatever to the latest trendy language, this isn't any technically backed decision, it's just business opportunistic approach :D | 12:18 |
| yoctozepto | it just means the folks are either infused with secret knowledge or just not mature enough to make those decisions in the first place :-) | 12:20 |
| yoctozepto | but still, it makes sense to be a visionary and an early adopter | 12:20 |
| yoctozepto | but it has to have a technical reason | 12:20 |
| yoctozepto | not always it's clear someone have it really | 12:20 |
| Fl1nt | yes, that's the point | 12:20 |
| Fl1nt | But honnestly, out of some IRC channels and few companies, talking with IT workers that REALLY know about what they're manipulating, would it be the tools inners, the languages etc is difficult, not to mention how few peoples really now a dim about Kernels, softwares, signals and HW. | 12:21 |
| Fl1nt | Companies tends to be filled by so many not interested people that are just looking for a job. It's not bad in itself, but it start to be bad when this person is actually the one making dumb decisions that impact your daily job. | 12:23 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, I was thinking the same thing today already :D | 12:23 |
| Fl1nt | I've met with non technical peoples that were really bringing things to the game, those are amazing, but I honnestly more often met with just dumb management decision only for them to advance their own career. | 12:24 |
| Fl1nt | I'm not the best technical, sure, there is always someone better at this, but at least I'm sincerly passionated and interested on what I'm doing. | 12:25 |
| Fl1nt | yoctozepto, met with a monkey? | 12:26 |
| Fl1nt | :D | 12:26 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: with a monkey? | 12:27 |
| yoctozepto | if it's a saying, then I don't get it :D | 12:27 |
| Fl1nt | A "business" suits guy trying to convince you why you should follow its words for your own good. | 12:28 |
| yoctozepto | oh my, sounds bad | 12:28 |
| Fl1nt | Companies are full of them tho ^^ | 12:29 |
| mgoddard | Fl1nt: probably in doc/source/reference/logging-and-monitoring/ for cloudkitty docs | 12:39 |
| Fl1nt | ok, perfect. thanls | 12:39 |
| mgoddard | or make a new directory under reference | 12:39 |
| Fl1nt | ok, perfect. thanks | 12:39 |
| Fl1nt | there it goes, reference/rating/cloudkitty-advanced-configuration.rst fine? | 12:40 |
| mgoddard | Fl1nt: reference/rating/cloudkitty-guide.rst | 12:41 |
| Fl1nt | perfect | 12:42 |
| opendevreview | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: WIP: cinder: deploy cinder-volume on control for Ceph backend https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805169 | 12:51 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add diff option to kolla-ansible https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805212 | 12:59 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla master: Add support for checking more daemons https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/765781 | 13:18 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla master: Add proxysql image https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/769385 | 13:22 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Remove an unused file https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805218 | 13:25 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add diff option to kolla-ansible https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805212 | 13:33 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/ussuri: Fix regression in image pull action https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805225 | 13:49 |
| yoctozepto | mgoddard: relatively important regression fix for ussuri https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805225 as users might be relying on the pull+deploy cycle to update their containers (rolling label) | 13:56 |
| mgoddard | yoctozepto: ack | 14:00 |
| opendevreview | Will Szumski proposed openstack/kayobe-config-dev master: Support additional hypervisors for infra VMS https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe-config-dev/+/805238 | 14:47 |
| opendevreview | Will Szumski proposed openstack/kayobe-config-dev master: Define infra VMs for testing https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe-config-dev/+/805239 | 14:47 |
| opendevreview | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kayobe-config-dev master: Use kolla_internal_vip_address instead of aio_vip_address https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe-config-dev/+/805240 | 14:51 |
| opendevreview | Will Szumski proposed openstack/kayobe master: Add support for infrastructure VMs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/783627 | 14:55 |
| opendevreview | Will Szumski proposed openstack/kayobe master: Add support for infrastructure VMs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/783627 | 15:23 |
| opendevreview | Will Szumski proposed openstack/kayobe master: Infra VMs: Support deployment on baremetal seed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/805244 | 15:23 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add diff option to kolla-ansible https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805212 | 15:37 |
| opendevreview | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kayobe master: Fix configuration check without public API network https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/805245 | 15:40 |
| opendevreview | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kayobe-config-dev master: Use kolla_internal_vip_address instead of aio_vip_address https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe-config-dev/+/805240 | 15:41 |
| *** rpittau is now known as rpittau|afk | 15:51 | |
| opendevreview | Will Szumski proposed openstack/kayobe master: Add support for infrastructure VMs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/783627 | 17:10 |
| opendevreview | Will Szumski proposed openstack/kayobe master: Infra VMs: Support deployment on baremetal seed https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/805244 | 17:10 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Use more RMQ flags for less busy wait https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/802796 | 18:20 |
| opendevreview | Stig Telfer proposed openstack/kayobe master: Overcloud introspection data save broken https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/805263 | 18:28 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/wallaby: Use more RMQ flags for less busy wait https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805271 | 18:31 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/victoria: Use more RMQ flags for less busy wait https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805272 | 18:31 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/ussuri: Use more RMQ flags for less busy wait https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805273 | 18:32 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/ussuri: Use more RMQ flags for less busy wait https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805273 | 18:33 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add ability to retry image pulling https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/803828 | 18:39 |
| opendevreview | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/ussuri: [DNM] Test Ussuri upgrade https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805266 | 19:10 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Rename role haproxy to loadbalancer https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/770618 | 19:28 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add proxysql support for database https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/770215 | 19:28 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Edit services roles to support database sharding https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/770216 | 19:28 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [CI] Test ProxySQL with shards in the nova cells scenario https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/770621 | 19:28 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Move config.yml to config-node.yml in mariadb role https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/783563 | 19:28 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add mariadb arbitrator to mariadb role https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/780811 | 19:28 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [CI] Test Mariadb-Arbitrator with shards in the nova cells scenario https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/780970 | 19:28 |
| opendevreview | Michal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Trivial fix neutron's agent configuration https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/805166 | 20:10 |
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