Sunday, 2016-11-13

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openstackgerritzhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla: Add trove role  https://review.openstack.org/35490110:32
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zhubingbinghello guys10:34
zhubingbing-)10:34
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openstackgerritzhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla: Add trove role  https://review.openstack.org/35490110:55
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openstackgerritzhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla: Fix trove dockerfile  https://review.openstack.org/39692811:55
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openstackgerritzhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla: add extend_start.sh in trove dockerfile  https://review.openstack.org/39693213:36
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openstackgerritzhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla: add extend_start.sh in trove dockerfile  https://review.openstack.org/39693214:59
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openstackgerritAndrew Widdersheim proposed openstack/kolla: Fix precheck conditional in site.yml  https://review.openstack.org/39676015:45
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openstackgerritEduardo Gonzalez proposed openstack/kolla: Fix ovs-cleanup issue at cleanup scripts  https://review.openstack.org/39694816:24
openstackgerritEduardo Gonzalez proposed openstack/kolla: Fix ovs-cleanup issue at cleanup scripts  https://review.openstack.org/39694816:32
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: Add Karbor doc link in README.rst  https://review.openstack.org/39661316:38
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: Add enable_cinder_backend_nfs option example  https://review.openstack.org/39672016:42
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v1k0d3nkfox1111: you there this morning?17:28
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kfox1111v1k0d3n: hi17:44
kfox1111whats up?17:44
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v1k0d3n saw some of the discussion around the 14 character limitation. i think that is being improved in v2.0.0 which is in rc2 currently.17:45
kfox1111ah. that would be really nice.17:45
v1k0d3ndid you run into some of the same issues reported in helm too?17:45
v1k0d3nhttps://github.com/kubernetes/helm/issues/121917:45
v1k0d3ni probably missed it, but is helm for sure a go? been waiting to see if kolla-kube made a decision on this yet.17:45
kfox1111ah. didn't see that one yet.17:46
v1k0d3nwell, it's actually because of the kube dns max limitation.17:46
kfox1111v1k0d3n: its a go unless we find some major showstopper.17:46
kfox1111its a package name though, why woudl that matter?17:47
kfox1111is not in dns.17:47
v1k0d3nah! ok...i missed that. glad this is a go.17:47
v1k0d3nwe definitely want to help address some of this then.17:47
v1k0d3nhave you see the SAP repo, and how they are addressing some of these same things?17:47
kfox1111they arn't.17:47
kfox1111they are currently doing a bunch of orchestration with it too.17:48
v1k0d3nit's not a direct drop and replace at all, but some of the work can definitely be reused.17:48
kfox1111yeah. will churn through it in detail at some point.17:48
kfox1111right now, just tryign to understand helm and figure out how we map what we have into that model.17:48
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kfox1111you see the poc I've been working on?17:49
v1k0d3ni haven't17:49
v1k0d3nwhere is that?17:49
kfox1111https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396296/17:49
v1k0d3nSAP is a PoC too...just throwing that out there.17:49
kfox1111it has a working gate with neutron-l3-agent deployed with helm.17:49
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v1k0d3ncan we see if we can include the SAP folks?17:50
kfox1111sure. you can share the link with whomever is interested.17:50
v1k0d3nreason why...everyone goes through some of the same learning curves...one of the hardest is how to make some of the configmap items agnostic so operators can plug in their own items.17:50
v1k0d3nthey have been doing a lot of work around this lately...some good updates.17:50
kfox1111thats the problem I've seen with sap's implementation so far17:50
kfox1111it seems very opinionated.17:50
v1k0d3n(look through the PR's)17:50
v1k0d3nso...17:51
v1k0d3nthey wen't with very opinionated first...because they just wanted it to work17:51
kfox1111yeah. everyone wants to start that way.17:51
v1k0d3nnow they are scaling back to a less opinionated model/approach...as they learn and communcate with the helm/deis folks.17:51
kfox1111the problem is, you end up building a architecture around it that has way too many asumptions.17:51
v1k0d3nwell, yeah...makes sense though. start with what you know to limit the learning curve and then work back.17:52
kfox1111so, like, they do all the service stuff per service in a single helm package.17:52
kfox1111makes it really easy to orchestrate it.17:52
kfox1111but really difficult to make the config generic.17:52
v1k0d3nactually they're working through this now...17:52
v1k0d3none sec...17:53
kfox1111I usually take a different aproach.17:53
kfox1111slower to get somethign working, but less reworking.17:53
kfox1111break up the design ahead of time into something that shoudl work for the long run,17:53
kfox1111and make a prototype of each of the pieces with bare minimum functionality.17:53
kfox1111then it can be fleshed out in parallel.17:53
v1k0d3nyeah, either works. i can fully understand both methods.17:54
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v1k0d3ni try to work similarly.17:54
v1k0d3n(as your approach)17:54
v1k0d3njust wondering if we can merge some of this effort17:55
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kfox1111yeah. we can certainly try17:55
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Pavook so I think I ready to try this kolla-kubernetes where do I start and will need full install instructions19:43
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kfox1111anyone have a link to kuberntees-endpoint20:06
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portdirectkfox1111: https://github.com/stackanetes/kubernetes-entrypoint20:17
portdirectkfox1111: I have reservations...20:18
portdirectI'f be much keener on this as an init container rather than an entrypoint20:19
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kfox1111portdirect: I just want to look at it a bit so I understand the use cases for it better.20:34
kfox1111portdirect: thanks for the link.20:35
sdake_kfox1111 there is a more important link you are missing i htink20:35
sdake_https://github.com/stackanetes/stackanetes/blob/master/nova/manifest.jsonnet20:36
sdake_see: https://github.com/stackanetes/stackanetes/blob/master/nova/templates/api/deployment.yaml.j2#L3620:38
sdake_kfox1111 the use case for it is dep management20:39
sdake_pavo kolla-kubernetes is under heavy development20:41
sdake_pavo few people know even how to get it to run multinode ;(20:42
sdake_oops pavo not here20:42
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kfox1111sdake_: thx.21:07
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kfox1111I do see a use case for entrypoint, but not quite in the way I think they tought it would be used.21:07
kfox1111their stated goal is to put it in all the containers. but I think that is unnessisary now.21:08
kfox1111you could make it as a side car container and put it as an init-container.21:08
sdake_agree21:08
kfox1111you get the same benifits, without having to tweak every container.21:08
sdake_that is what the purpose of the operator container is imo ;)21:08
sdake_why have two do the same task?21:08
kfox1111it even has an enhanced benifit.21:08
kfox1111entrypoint needs k8s creds to work.21:08
sdake_so do operator containers21:09
kfox1111while in an init container, it can be restricted just to that container, enhancing security.21:09
kfox1111so the rest of the containers don't need the token.21:09
sdake_the operator containers need to be able to do stuff with kubernetes directly21:09
kfox1111it looks like operator containers and entrypoint are complimentery too.21:09
sdake_even if you take out dep management21:09
kfox1111yeah.21:10
kfox1111not sure all dep management is appropriate for entrypoint. but some for sure.21:10
kfox1111operators can do the rest.21:10
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sdake_why add the complexity of entrypoint as a seprate whole container if operator can do the whole schebang?21:11
sdake_we are already adding operator to handle the orchestration tasks21:11
sdake_entrypoint = dep management = one peice of orchestration puzzle21:11
kfox1111one use case I can see is, say rebooting a node, where there are libvirt/openvswitch containers.21:11
kfox1111the daemonsets are already deployed, so an operator has no influence in it.21:11
kfox1111but it would be handy for the libvirt container to wait until the opevswitch one is started on the same host.21:12
portdirectkfox1111: the security implications are one of the primary resons for moving it out into an init container, also the issues that you have experienced with ingress controllers can become apparent - wehre the rate-linkits on the k8s api server would potential prevent services from starting following an outage, or other event that causes abnomal load on the th api server21:12
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sdake_kfox1111 yes, this is the model of operator containers21:13
kfox1111yeah. I think entrypoint should be used sparingly, so not too much load on the api server. but used strategically along with operators would make sense.21:13
sdake_operators are intelligent agents21:15
sdake_they need to be smart enough to back off the api servers if there is no forward progress in the system21:15
kfox1111yeah. being centralized, they can.21:15
kfox1111entrypoint containers can't, as tehy are decenteralized21:15
portdirectyup21:16
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kfox1111hmm...21:19
portdirectjust to clarify the problem I've seen is this: api-server rate limits - so kubelet cannot report status of pods etc - health checks times out (node/service/endpoint) - api server marks health service unhealthy - scheduler tries to rebuild healthy service - more api-server requests - downward spiral of death...21:19
kfox1111you know though, I solved one of the entrypoint issues in a very different way.21:19
kfox1111I had one daemonset just write out a file on /dev/shm/ when inited, and have the other daemonset 1 second sleep loop until it shows up.21:20
kfox1111scales linearly, doesn't require k8s creds, and doesn't touch the api server.21:21
portdirectit's ugly but works21:21
kfox1111did that for a physics system.21:21
kfox1111a little hackish, but worked well.21:21
portdirectI've used that in the past, though I now tend to use a deadicated etcd-server21:22
kfox1111that would work too.21:22
kfox1111more etcd systems to manage though.21:22
portdirectI'm gonna have a play around - but I think we many be able to use annotations of the k8s service assosiated with each openstack service to track deps and state21:23
kfox1111yeah. I think that would work.21:24
portdirectIt's what we used for traking security groups attached to pods on the initial k8s netron cni driver - obviously annotating pods not services21:25
sdake_portdirect another option as well is to use the thirdparty passthrough to etcd to do the job21:25
portdirectas operators are goint to be interacting with the api, they would be able to do that.21:26
portdirectsdake: need to look into that - sounds v interesting.21:26
portdirectyou have a link to docs? - my google fu is not at full strength21:27
portdirectI think we also need to have real think about security, I'm not sure that having openstack inside a single namespace is a good idea - k8s ABAC sucks21:31
sdake_portdirect which docs?21:31
kfox1111abac sucks, but rbac is starting to mature quite nicely.21:31
kfox1111we may need to study rbac and come up with some rules to ship.21:31
sdake_you mean this: https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/blob/master/docs/design/extending-api.md21:31
portdirectsdake, cheers21:32
sdake_there isn't enough life on this planet to fill a space cruiser21:33
sdake_and on that note, I depart ;)21:33
kfox1111hehe21:34
kfox1111sdake_: l8r21:34
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portdirectlaters21:34
openstackgerritEduardo Gonzalez proposed openstack/kolla: Create Senlin home directory  https://review.openstack.org/39695621:34
kfox1111you know...21:34
kfox1111with our template libraries,21:35
kfox1111I think we can easily slide in kubernetes-entrypoint in each container with a flag.21:35
kfox1111so those wanting entrypoint can use it.21:35
kfox1111s/continer/pod/21:36
portdirect'tis the nice thing about go21:37
kfox1111then those wanting to use it that way could.21:37
kfox1111its the nice thing about using a template language in front of pods.21:37
kfox1111so helm's templates or jinja2.21:37
portdirectI personally prefer j2, but we would be swimming against the tide.21:39
portdirectand the sea is cold.21:39
kfox1111portdirect: there is a flag in helm for which template language to use. someone could implement a jinja plugin.... :)21:40
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portdirectthe sea just got warmer21:40
openstackgerritEduardo Gonzalez proposed openstack/kolla: Tacker Docker configuration  https://review.openstack.org/39639121:40
kfox1111golang templates are pretty weird. I prefer jinja2 myself.21:40
kfox1111though the weirdness isn't much functionally different. you can do pretty much everything either way.21:41
kfox1111I got l3-agent to deploy with it successfully.21:41
portdirectn another (but slightly releated) note, havw you used romana?21:42
portdirect*on21:43
kfox1111nice... entrypoint has this: DEPENDENCY_SOCKET=/var/run/openvswitch/ovs.socket21:43
kfox1111that would work decentralized.21:43
kfox1111hmm.. and they have a template engine too.21:43
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kfox1111even if we don't use anything but those features, its still useful.21:44
kfox1111we should make a kubernetes-entrypoint only container  to play with.21:45
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portdirectI think that's the best way to play with it - I've done a few experiments where it just runs /bin/true as it's launch command21:46
portdirecthave stackanets published the source for their containers anywhere?21:47
kfox1111https://github.com/stackanetes/21:48
portdirectI cant see them?21:48
kfox1111portdirect: you were talking about working on contributing alpine based images. is that still a thing?21:48
portdirectyup21:49
kfox1111cool.21:49
portdirectI've made some progess on moving my stuff over21:49
portdirectbut been held up with other stuff21:49
portdirectit's been a bit triky to ake the most of using alpine with the current kolla-build21:50
kfox1111ah. yeah. I don't think it was desigened with alpine in mind.21:50
portdirectneed to finish this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392115/21:50
portdirectwithout it the images end up very similar in size to centos etc21:51
kfox1111ah. cool. I"ll keep an eye in it. :)21:51
kfox1111oh really? weird.21:51
portdirectabout 200mb off the base - but the delta's remain similar21:52
kfox1111if I remember right, most of the stuff is in the base by default and the leave images are pretty thin,21:53
kfox1111so that would make sense to me.21:53
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portdirectyup - so you end up dragging gcc and all the development libs about21:53
kfox1111oh. gcc's still in the image? wow... yeah. thats an issue.21:54
portdirect.... I know...21:54
kfox1111v1k0d3n: ping21:54
portdirectall of the images kola build at the moment have full development libs and compilers in them afak21:55
kfox1111yeah, thats kind of lame.21:55
portdirectonce I've got alpine finished the kolla images should be a similar size to the ones I'm using at the moment: https://microbadger.com/images/port/openstack-neutron-api21:56
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kfox1111nice.21:57
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kfox1111v1k0d3n: alive?22:01
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sdake_portdirect_away no they have not22:29
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portdirectsdake: sweet, sry i missed that! where do they get removed?22:32
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portdirectsdake: https://gist.github.com/intlabs/e0ad9512ef35f21f96984991c4739e4b22:59
kfox1111portdirect: I'd guess the source based ones would still do gcc as its gota build from source.23:02
kfox1111do the binary distro's have the same issue?23:02
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portdirectyeah, I get round it buy explicity installing and then uninstalling as required, saves some space, but makes for horribly slow builds: https://github.com/portdirect/harbor/blob/latest/docker/openstack/openstack-cinder/openstack-cinder-centos/Dockerfile#L3323:08
portdirectkfox1111: not that I've seen, though I've not done much with them23:09
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kfox1111portdirect: yeah. I only use binary builds.23:15
portdirectkfox1111: they dont, sorry for the sweeping statement23:21
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Pavokfox1111 is kolla-kubernetes working?23:43
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kfox1111portdirect_away: no worries.23:55
kfox1111Pavo: yeah, I'd say so. very little docs yet though.23:55
kfox1111I have a gate job for multinode with ceph backend for kolla-kubernetes. so its fairly well tested.23:56
kfox1111but the only real complete multinode docs are that setup_gate.sh script.23:56
Pavowould that script guide me on how to setup my 2 nodes and networking?23:57
Pavohow much change would I need to do from this? https://www.gliffy.com/go/publish/1130918723:58

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