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| sdake_ | hey peeps | 00:06 |
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| kfox1111 | hey | 00:09 |
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| jascott1 | o/ | 00:20 |
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| kfox1111 | hi | 00:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP helm https://review.openstack.org/396296 | 00:22 |
| sdake_ | kfox1111 havey ou looked at the sapcc code | 00:39 |
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| kfox1111 | sdake_: just a little bit. | 00:40 |
| kfox1111 | its pretty opinionated from what I saw. | 00:40 |
| sdake_ | wondering where it deltas from what you have in mind with kolla-kubernetes | 00:40 |
| sdake_ | i picked upon that part | 00:40 |
| sdake_ | i see its also using helm | 00:41 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. and opinionated there too. | 00:41 |
| sdake_ | kolla-kubernetes not opinionated? | 00:41 |
| kfox1111 | if your hardware/environment looks exactly like there's, it will work well. otherwise, really badly. | 00:41 |
| kfox1111 | no. been trying very very hard to keep it unopinionated. | 00:41 |
| kfox1111 | as I have some very bizar environments. :) | 00:42 |
| sdake_ | coo, can you explain how | 00:42 |
| kfox1111 | for example, we're running tenant networks over vxlans over ip over ib in some of my clouds. :) | 00:42 |
| sdake_ | i understand requirement for unopnionated | 00:42 |
| kfox1111 | we're also running split controllers with multiple rabbits/mariadb's | 00:42 |
| kfox1111 | with their stuff, they assume helm vars are flexible enough to configure the whole system. | 00:43 |
| kfox1111 | the whole, docker env vars vs openstack config conversation we had.... :) | 00:43 |
| sdake_ | right | 00:43 |
| sdake_ | ok, but how do you solve that in kolla-kubernetes ;) | 00:44 |
| kfox1111 | they are using helm packages per service. so its kind of a single shot, stand up a whole service. which is nice, until you need finer grained access. | 00:44 |
| kfox1111 | keep config / workflow / deployment / packaging as seperate as possible. | 00:44 |
| kfox1111 | so don't put config maps in your helm packages. | 00:44 |
| sdake_ | sapcc puts config maps in helm packages then? | 00:45 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 00:46 |
| sdake_ | and that is only delta? | 00:46 |
| kfox1111 | then very slightly templates them with helm vars. | 00:46 |
| kfox1111 | no. | 00:46 |
| kfox1111 | we're better at reusing code so we dont write the same code over and over. | 00:46 |
| sdake_ | well i dont want it to be a competition :) | 00:46 |
| kfox1111 | so we can add features like new log capture container types (heka->something else) much easier | 00:46 |
| sdake_ | I wan tto learn from waht they have | 00:46 |
| sdake_ | thats the reason they published their code - so we can use it as a reference for their ideas | 00:47 |
| kfox1111 | and I've been doing fine grained packages rather then corse ones like they are. | 00:47 |
| sdake_ | kfox1111 mind showing me an example? | 00:48 |
| kfox1111 | I do need to inspect their stuff further. but we're feature wise, already sitting very preetty from what I've seen. | 00:48 |
| kfox1111 | sdake_: an example of what? | 00:48 |
| sdake_ | the fine grained packages vs course grained | 00:48 |
| kfox1111 | sure. sec | 00:48 |
| sdake_ | i want to be able to explain what we learned might be better | 00:49 |
| sdake_ | thats part of how we exchange information :) | 00:49 |
| kfox1111 | so, like look at: https://github.com/sapcc/openstack-helm/tree/master/neutron | 00:49 |
| sdake_ | k | 00:50 |
| kfox1111 | anything in the templates dir that isn't prefixed with a _ | 00:50 |
| kfox1111 | will all be spawned at the same time when the package is launched. | 00:50 |
| kfox1111 | so, helm install neutron..... "everything" | 00:50 |
| kfox1111 | then look at what I"m trying to do here: | 00:51 |
| kfox1111 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396296/12 | 00:51 |
| kfox1111 | I'm playing around with having a package for a service, like neutron, but make it fine grained: | 00:51 |
| kfox1111 | helm install kolla/openstack-neutron --version 2.0.2 --set resource=l3-agent-daemonset,type=network | 00:52 |
| kfox1111 | launches a new instance of the l3-agent for the network use case | 00:52 |
| kfox1111 | and I was able to continue to follow our pattern of code reuse by doing this: | 00:53 |
| kfox1111 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396296/12/helm/openstack-kolla-common/templates/_common_lib.yaml | 00:53 |
| kfox1111 | makeing a openstack-kolla-common package and putting our shared code in it, then including it in the l3-agent template like we've been doing in the jinja2 version. | 00:53 |
| kfox1111 | the helm dependency machinism actually makes that work pretty well. | 00:54 |
| sdake_ | how do you get config into that neutron helm launch? | 00:54 |
| kfox1111 | thats outside of helm. same way as before for now. | 00:54 |
| kfox1111 | longer term, the operator will assist in that. | 00:54 |
| sdake_ | right | 00:54 |
| kfox1111 | so the configmap name will be a helm arg, | 00:55 |
| kfox1111 | and default to something sane. | 00:55 |
| kfox1111 | then you can overrid e the configmap if you want. | 00:55 |
| sdake_ | so really the delta is in being ableto override configmaps? | 00:55 |
| kfox1111 | I listed like 3 tings above. thats one thing. | 00:55 |
| sdake_ | ok, the other 2 are what :) | 00:56 |
| sdake_ | broken down into indivudal microservices is second thing? | 00:56 |
| kfox1111 | 1. fine grained building blocks/packaging capabilities. 2. unopinionated config (overridable config for everything). 3. code sharing between templates for much easier maintenence/feature management | 00:56 |
| kfox1111 | those are just the first 3 things I found by quickly looking. there may be more. | 00:57 |
| kfox1111 | their aproach is fine if your buying a cloud system just like theirs to deploy something on and never want to deviate from it. we're already much more flexible/maintainable though I think. | 00:58 |
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| sdake_ | kfox1111 is there nothign to be learned from the sapcc repo? | 01:02 |
| kfox1111 | I'm sure there will be some good ideas to borrow. | 01:03 |
| kfox1111 | it needs further study. | 01:03 |
| sdake_ | cool - recommend the study - again the is reason they upstream their code - they want to get on a kolla-kubneretes upstream or atleast have a shared world view on what the implementation should look like | 01:04 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 01:04 |
| sdake_ | to me #2 above is the key thing they are missing - but they may not care ;) | 01:05 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. likely. | 01:05 |
| sdake_ | #1 may be tolerable to them | 01:05 |
| kfox1111 | or they wont care for a while. | 01:05 |
| sdake_ | and #3 is an implementation detail imo | 01:05 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, and implementation detail though that maeans you need fewer developers. | 01:06 |
| kfox1111 | so long term, that can pay off big | 01:06 |
| sdake_ | not saying its not valuable | 01:06 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. I understand. | 01:06 |
| kfox1111 | I think I'm pretty close to having a helm package launched service woven into the gate. | 01:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP: External openvswitch https://review.openstack.org/396812 | 01:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP helm https://review.openstack.org/396296 | 01:15 |
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| sdake_ | re the curdini | 01:35 |
| sdake_ | whats that part about? | 01:35 |
| sdake_ | kfox1111 ^^ | 01:35 |
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| kfox1111 | which part? | 01:36 |
| sdake_ | crudini --set /srv/pod-main-config/l3_agent.ini DEFAULT agent_mode dvr_snat; | 01:36 |
| kfox1111 | based on what type of daemonset its launching, it tweaks the dvr settings. | 01:37 |
| sdake_ | that seems like that would make the system not overrideable? | 01:37 |
| kfox1111 | dvr enabled nodes need to be dvr_snat on network nodes, or dvr on compute nodes. | 01:37 |
| sdake_ | i see, so that is like "default settings" for the config | 01:38 |
| sdake_ | i just cringe when i see crudini ;-) | 01:38 |
| kfox1111 | once we get the helm stuff in place, multiple instances should be smoother. | 01:38 |
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| kfox1111 | the -network/-compute stuff was a little less then ideal due to kolla-kubernetes constraints. | 01:39 |
| kfox1111 | helm doesn't have the same constraints there. | 01:39 |
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| kfox1111 | so far, I'm trying to port what we have. then can make it take advantage of more helm features. | 01:39 |
| sdake_ | with "more helm features" does that mean removal of crudini? | 01:40 |
| kfox1111 | easier to test that way against the working gate. | 01:40 |
| kfox1111 | maybe/maybe not. | 01:40 |
| kfox1111 | crudini has its advantages. | 01:40 |
| Pavo | I feel ya sdake_ I hate crudini also | 01:40 |
| kfox1111 | for example, the ip addrress must be put in the config in some places. | 01:40 |
| Pavo | would rather write my own python script with ConfigParser than use crudini | 01:41 |
| kfox1111 | crudini's way less evil looking then sed in that case. | 01:41 |
| kfox1111 | why? | 01:41 |
| Pavo | bad experiences with crudini | 01:41 |
| sdake_ | i was just thinking genconfig would generate all this config ;) | 01:41 |
| kfox1111 | I've thorwn a lot of crazy looking ini files at it and it hasn't munged one yet. | 01:41 |
| kfox1111 | badly written sed on the other hand.... | 01:41 |
| kfox1111 | gencofnig can't. | 01:41 |
| kfox1111 | some config must be done at instantiation time, inside the container. | 01:41 |
| kfox1111 | genconfig gets us 99.99% of the way there. | 01:42 |
| sdake_ | i understand the ip address thing | 01:42 |
| sdake_ | because the ip address inside kube changes on start | 01:42 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 01:42 |
| sdake_ | don't understand the dvr case | 01:42 |
| kfox1111 | it could be split back out and done in genconfig. | 01:43 |
| kfox1111 | it was just expedient to implement it this way for now as getting changes in genconfig was not quick to get something running. | 01:43 |
| sdake_ | not criticising want to understand :) | 01:44 |
| kfox1111 | having gencofnig spit out a l3-agent-compute and l3-agent-network would work too. | 01:44 |
| sdake_ | i take fast paths too and optimize later | 01:44 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. i take no offence. | 01:44 |
| kfox1111 | long term, I think its just the ip address stuff that needs overrides at runtime. | 01:45 |
| kfox1111 | oh. and interface names. | 01:45 |
| sdake_ | i would think ip address could be passed as an env variable | 01:45 |
| kfox1111 | eth0/ enp4s0d0, etc. | 01:45 |
| sdake_ | and set is the container startup scripts | 01:45 |
| kfox1111 | no way to konw the ip to pass it. | 01:45 |
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| kfox1111 | best pattern so far is to probe it in the init container and tweak the config before the real container sees it. | 01:46 |
| sdake_ | i mean have kubernetes itself pas the ip adress | 01:46 |
| kfox1111 | kube doesn't care or know in a lot of cases. | 01:46 |
| kfox1111 | for a daemonset running net=host, | 01:46 |
| sdake_ | kubernetes surely knows the ip addresses of the compute nodes ;) | 01:46 |
| kfox1111 | there are too many ip addresses/interfaces for k8s to handle. | 01:46 |
| kfox1111 | its our logic that says, I should look up the ip address on the "tunnel_interface", however we defined that. | 01:47 |
| kfox1111 | gotta head out in a few | 01:47 |
| sdake_ | cool ttyl | 01:47 |
| sdake_ | thanks for the time | 01:47 |
| kfox1111 | np. :) | 01:48 |
| kfox1111 | release name "neutron-l3-agent-network" exceeds max length of 14 ugg... :/ | 01:48 |
| kfox1111 | l8r | 01:48 |
| Pavo | just name it neutron-l3-agent-net | 01:48 |
| kfox1111 | kind of weak though. we've named our things very consistently so far, and that restriction breaks that. :/ | 01:49 |
| kfox1111 | nameing the pod after the binary makes it soo much easier to understand. without having to map around things a lot. :/ | 01:50 |
| kfox1111 | oh well. we'll figure something out. | 01:50 |
| kfox1111 | l8r | 01:50 |
| Pavo | l8r | 01:50 |
| kfox1111 | rrr. even neutron-l3a-net is too long.... | 01:51 |
| Pavo | yeah thats 15 chars | 01:51 |
| Pavo | lol | 01:51 |
| kfox1111 | 14 is really really short. :/ | 01:51 |
| Pavo | is that a k8s limit? | 01:52 |
| kfox1111 | no. helm. | 01:52 |
| Pavo | ah | 01:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Liu proposed openstack/kolla: Extract kolla exceptions into a single exception.py file https://review.openstack.org/396568 | 15:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: External openvswitch https://review.openstack.org/396812 | 18:15 |
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| oxkipo | Hi please may someone help me why pci passthrough isnt working? http://paste.openstack.org/show/589022/ Here is the log. | 22:04 |
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| oxkipo | please may someone help me? | 22:08 |
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| oxkipo | does someone know how to fix it? | 22:21 |
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