Saturday, 2016-11-12

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sdake_hey peeps00:06
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kfox1111hey00:09
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP helm  https://review.openstack.org/39629600:22
sdake_kfox1111 havey ou looked at the sapcc code00:39
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kfox1111sdake_: just a little bit.00:40
kfox1111its pretty opinionated from what I saw.00:40
sdake_wondering where it deltas from what you have in mind with kolla-kubernetes00:40
sdake_i picked upon that part00:40
sdake_i see its also using helm00:41
kfox1111yeah. and opinionated there too.00:41
sdake_kolla-kubernetes not opinionated?00:41
kfox1111if your hardware/environment looks exactly like there's, it will work well. otherwise, really badly.00:41
kfox1111no. been trying very very hard to keep it unopinionated.00:41
kfox1111as I have some very bizar environments. :)00:42
sdake_coo, can you explain how00:42
kfox1111for example, we're running tenant networks over vxlans over ip over ib in some of my clouds. :)00:42
sdake_i understand requirement for unopnionated00:42
kfox1111we're also running split controllers with multiple rabbits/mariadb's00:42
kfox1111with their stuff, they assume helm vars are flexible enough to configure the whole system.00:43
kfox1111the whole, docker env vars vs openstack config conversation we had.... :)00:43
sdake_right00:43
sdake_ok, but how do you solve that in kolla-kubernetes ;)00:44
kfox1111they are using helm packages per service. so its kind of a single shot, stand up a whole service. which is nice, until you need finer grained access.00:44
kfox1111keep config / workflow / deployment / packaging as seperate as possible.00:44
kfox1111so don't put config maps in your helm packages.00:44
sdake_sapcc puts config maps in helm packages then?00:45
kfox1111yeah.00:46
sdake_and that is only delta?00:46
kfox1111then very slightly templates them with helm vars.00:46
kfox1111no.00:46
kfox1111we're better at reusing code so we dont write the same code over and over.00:46
sdake_well i dont want it to be a competition :)00:46
kfox1111so we can add features like new log capture container types (heka->something else) much easier00:46
sdake_I wan tto learn from waht they have00:46
sdake_thats the reason they published their code - so we can use it as a reference for their ideas00:47
kfox1111and I've been doing fine grained packages rather then corse ones like they are.00:47
sdake_kfox1111 mind showing me an example?00:48
kfox1111I do need to inspect their stuff further. but we're feature wise, already sitting very preetty from what I've seen.00:48
kfox1111sdake_: an example of what?00:48
sdake_the fine grained packages vs course grained00:48
kfox1111sure. sec00:48
sdake_i want to be able to explain what we learned might be better00:49
sdake_thats part of how we exchange information :)00:49
kfox1111so, like look at: https://github.com/sapcc/openstack-helm/tree/master/neutron00:49
sdake_k00:50
kfox1111anything in the templates dir that isn't prefixed with a _00:50
kfox1111will all be spawned at the same time when the package is launched.00:50
kfox1111so, helm install neutron..... "everything"00:50
kfox1111then look at what I"m trying to do here:00:51
kfox1111https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396296/1200:51
kfox1111I'm playing around with having a package for a service, like neutron, but make it fine grained:00:51
kfox1111helm install kolla/openstack-neutron --version 2.0.2 --set resource=l3-agent-daemonset,type=network00:52
kfox1111launches a new instance of the l3-agent for the network use case00:52
kfox1111and I was able to continue to follow our pattern of code reuse by doing this:00:53
kfox1111https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396296/12/helm/openstack-kolla-common/templates/_common_lib.yaml00:53
kfox1111makeing a openstack-kolla-common package and putting our shared code in it, then including it in the l3-agent template like we've been doing in the jinja2 version.00:53
kfox1111the helm dependency machinism actually makes that work pretty well.00:54
sdake_how do you get config into that neutron helm launch?00:54
kfox1111thats outside of helm. same way as before for now.00:54
kfox1111longer term, the operator will assist in that.00:54
sdake_right00:54
kfox1111so the configmap name will be a helm arg,00:55
kfox1111and default to something sane.00:55
kfox1111then you can overrid e the configmap if you want.00:55
sdake_so really the delta is in being ableto override configmaps?00:55
kfox1111I listed like 3 tings above. thats one thing.00:55
sdake_ok, the other 2 are what :)00:56
sdake_broken down into indivudal microservices is second thing?00:56
kfox11111. fine grained building blocks/packaging capabilities. 2. unopinionated config (overridable config for everything). 3. code sharing between templates for much easier maintenence/feature management00:56
kfox1111those are just the first 3 things I found by quickly looking. there may be more.00:57
kfox1111their aproach is fine if your buying a cloud system just like theirs to deploy something on and never want to deviate from it. we're already much more flexible/maintainable though I think.00:58
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sdake_kfox1111 is there nothign to be learned from the sapcc repo?01:02
kfox1111I'm sure there will be some good ideas to borrow.01:03
kfox1111it needs further study.01:03
sdake_cool - recommend the study - again the is reason they upstream their code - they want to get on a kolla-kubneretes upstream or atleast have a shared world view on what the implementation should look like01:04
kfox1111yeah.01:04
sdake_to me #2 above is the key thing they are missing - but they may not care ;)01:05
kfox1111yeah. likely.01:05
sdake_#1 may be tolerable to them01:05
kfox1111or they wont care for a while.01:05
sdake_and #3 is an implementation detail imo01:05
kfox1111yeah, and implementation detail though that maeans you need fewer developers.01:06
kfox1111so long term, that can pay off big01:06
sdake_not saying its not valuable01:06
kfox1111yeah. I understand.01:06
kfox1111I think I'm pretty close to having a helm package launched service woven into the gate.01:12
openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP: External openvswitch  https://review.openstack.org/39681201:14
openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP helm  https://review.openstack.org/39629601:15
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP: External openvswitch  https://review.openstack.org/39681201:29
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP: External openvswitch  https://review.openstack.org/39681201:33
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sdake_re the curdini01:35
sdake_whats that part about?01:35
sdake_kfox1111 ^^01:35
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kfox1111which part?01:36
sdake_                  crudini --set /srv/pod-main-config/l3_agent.ini DEFAULT agent_mode dvr_snat;01:36
kfox1111based on what type of daemonset its launching, it tweaks the dvr settings.01:37
sdake_that seems like that would make the system not overrideable?01:37
kfox1111dvr enabled nodes need to be dvr_snat on network nodes, or dvr on compute nodes.01:37
sdake_i see, so that is like "default settings" for the config01:38
sdake_i just cringe when i see crudini ;-)01:38
kfox1111once we get the helm stuff in place, multiple instances should be smoother.01:38
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kfox1111the -network/-compute stuff was a little less then ideal due to kolla-kubernetes constraints.01:39
kfox1111helm doesn't have the same constraints there.01:39
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kfox1111so far, I'm trying to port what we have. then can make it take advantage of more helm features.01:39
sdake_with "more helm features" does that mean removal of crudini?01:40
kfox1111easier to test that way against the working gate.01:40
kfox1111maybe/maybe not.01:40
kfox1111crudini has its advantages.01:40
PavoI feel ya sdake_  I hate crudini also01:40
kfox1111for example, the ip addrress must be put in the config in some places.01:40
Pavowould rather write my own python script with ConfigParser than use crudini01:41
kfox1111crudini's way less evil looking then sed in that case.01:41
kfox1111why?01:41
Pavobad experiences with crudini01:41
sdake_i was just thinking genconfig would generate all this config ;)01:41
kfox1111I've thorwn a lot of crazy looking ini files at it and it hasn't munged one yet.01:41
kfox1111badly written sed on the other hand....01:41
kfox1111gencofnig can't.01:41
kfox1111some config must be done at instantiation time, inside the container.01:41
kfox1111genconfig gets us 99.99% of the way there.01:42
sdake_i understand the ip address thing01:42
sdake_because the ip address inside kube changes on start01:42
kfox1111yeah.01:42
sdake_don't understand the dvr case01:42
kfox1111it could be split back out and done in genconfig.01:43
kfox1111it was just expedient to implement it this way for now as getting changes in genconfig was not quick to get something running.01:43
sdake_not criticising want to understand :)01:44
kfox1111having gencofnig spit out a l3-agent-compute and l3-agent-network would work too.01:44
sdake_i take fast paths too and optimize later01:44
kfox1111yeah. i take no offence.01:44
kfox1111long term, I think its just the ip address stuff that needs overrides at runtime.01:45
kfox1111oh. and interface names.01:45
sdake_i would think ip address could be passed as an env variable01:45
kfox1111eth0/ enp4s0d0, etc.01:45
sdake_and set is the container startup scripts01:45
kfox1111no way to konw the ip to pass it.01:45
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kfox1111best pattern so far is to probe it in the init container and tweak the config before the real container sees it.01:46
sdake_i mean have kubernetes itself pas the ip adress01:46
kfox1111kube doesn't care or know in a lot of cases.01:46
kfox1111for a daemonset running net=host,01:46
sdake_kubernetes surely knows the ip addresses of the compute nodes ;)01:46
kfox1111there are too many ip addresses/interfaces for k8s to handle.01:46
kfox1111its our logic that says, I should look up the ip address on the "tunnel_interface", however we defined that.01:47
kfox1111gotta head out in a few01:47
sdake_cool ttyl01:47
sdake_thanks for the time01:47
kfox1111np. :)01:48
kfox1111release name "neutron-l3-agent-network" exceeds max length of 14 ugg... :/01:48
kfox1111l8r01:48
Pavojust name it neutron-l3-agent-net01:48
kfox1111kind of weak though. we've named our things very consistently so far, and that restriction breaks that. :/01:49
kfox1111nameing the pod after the binary makes it soo much easier to understand. without having to map around things a lot. :/01:50
kfox1111oh well. we'll figure something out.01:50
kfox1111l8r01:50
Pavol8r01:50
kfox1111rrr. even neutron-l3a-net is too long....01:51
Pavoyeah thats 15 chars01:51
Pavolol01:51
kfox111114 is really really short. :/01:51
Pavois that a k8s limit?01:52
kfox1111no. helm.01:52
Pavoah01:52
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP helm  https://review.openstack.org/39629602:25
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP: External openvswitch  https://review.openstack.org/39681202:37
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP helm  https://review.openstack.org/39629603:01
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP: External openvswitch  https://review.openstack.org/39681203:21
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: WIP helm  https://review.openstack.org/39629603:24
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openstackgerritJeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Add tarballs-base parameter for kolla-build  https://review.openstack.org/39683004:55
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openstackgerritJeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Load murano dashbaord dynamic  https://review.openstack.org/39595705:05
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openstackgerritJeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Add tarballs-base parameter for kolla-build  https://review.openstack.org/39683010:53
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oxkipoHi. I cannot see VPN tab in latest kolla install. Please may someone help me? Also I have enabled neutron_vpnaas11:45
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openstackgerritJeremy Liu proposed openstack/kolla: Extract kolla exceptions into a single exception.py file  https://review.openstack.org/39656814:23
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openstackgerritJeremy Liu proposed openstack/kolla: Add bindep environment to tox  https://review.openstack.org/39685614:31
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openstackgerritJeremy Liu proposed openstack/kolla: Add bindep environment to tox  https://review.openstack.org/39685614:33
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openstackgerritDuong Ha-Quang proposed openstack/kolla: Fix placement of policy.json  https://review.openstack.org/39426014:55
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openstackgerritDuong Ha-Quang proposed openstack/kolla: Fix placement of policy.json  https://review.openstack.org/39426015:09
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openstackgerritJeremy Liu proposed openstack/kolla: Extract kolla exceptions into a single exception.py file  https://review.openstack.org/39656815:28
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: External openvswitch  https://review.openstack.org/39681218:15
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oxkipoHi please may someone help me why pci passthrough isnt working? http://paste.openstack.org/show/589022/ Here is the log.22:04
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oxkipoplease may someone help me?22:08
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oxkipodoes someone know how to fix it?22:21
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