| eglute | I am new to Ironic, and am going through all the documentation. I found some blueprints for things that are proposed, but I cannot find anything how the current provisioner state machine works. Is there one currently? Also, is there currently anything for discovering nodes? | 00:01 |
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| Haomeng|2 | eglute: hi | 00:19 |
| Haomeng|2 | eglute: welcome | 00:20 |
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| Haomeng|2 | eglute: this is our wiki - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic | 00:21 |
| Haomeng|2 | eglute: this is the guide to say how our ironic works - http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/deploy/user-guide.html | 00:21 |
| Haomeng|2 | eglute: hope this help you, feel free to ask our question here, you are welcome:) | 00:22 |
| eglute | Thanks! I did look at the wiki and the docs, but I did not find the answers I was looking for! | 00:22 |
| Haomeng|2 | eglute: you want to know about discovering nodes? | 00:23 |
| eglute | yes! | 00:23 |
| Haomeng|2 | eglute: let me check, we have some bps about discovering | 00:23 |
| eglute | that would be great, thank you | 00:24 |
| Haomeng|2 | eglute: try to find this bp list - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic , and search discovery | 00:24 |
| JoshNang | eglute: i haven't seen a state transistion diagram for how it works right now. and discovery is in progress for kilo, but not in yet | 00:24 |
| eglute | ok... So currently no discovery? | 00:24 |
| JoshNang | correct | 00:25 |
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| JoshNang | discoverd is a ramdisk for doing discovery. i'll see if i can find a link | 00:25 |
| Haomeng|2 | eglute: yes, we have some discovery bp which are in progress in the bp list | 00:25 |
| JoshNang | eglute: https://github.com/Divius/ironic-discoverd we're hopefully more tightly integrating this | 00:26 |
| Haomeng|2 | JoshNang: looks like it is under tripleo, right? | 00:27 |
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| eglute | JoshNang: thank you! I will take a look at it | 00:28 |
| JoshNang | Haomeng|2: yup | 00:28 |
| Haomeng|2 | and it just discovery the node properties, not discovering the nodes I think, right | 00:28 |
| Haomeng|2 | not sure if we have out-of-band nodes auto-discover bp | 00:28 |
| JoshNang | right :) | 00:29 |
| Haomeng|2 | JoshNang: ok | 00:29 |
| JoshNang | eglute: any specific questions on the state diagram? otherwise I can probably gist a basic flow | 00:29 |
| eglute | I am just trying to understand current state of things, and how functional ironic currently is | 00:29 |
| JoshNang | it depends on your use case :) | 00:30 |
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| eglute | looks like right now, all nodes have to be manually added | 00:30 |
| JoshNang | correct | 00:31 |
| Haomeng|2 | eglute: yes | 00:31 |
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| JoshNang | in our env, we wrote a script to translate a spreadsheet from our server oem to commands to the ironic api to create nodes | 00:32 |
| Haomeng|2 | JoshNang: cool | 00:32 |
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| Haomeng|2 | JoshNang: it is easy to find ipmi ip and mac, but it is diffcult to find other non-ipmi nic's macs I think | 00:34 |
| Haomeng|2 | we need both ipmi ip and non-ipmi nic mac as input for node creating | 00:35 |
| eglute | JoshNang: good to know that is an option. I am, however, glad to see that there are blueprints for other ways to discover things | 00:35 |
| JoshNang | Haomeng|2: we got those from our oem (luckily). it looks like discoverd will create non-ipmi ports | 00:36 |
| Haomeng|2 | JoshNang: cool | 00:36 |
| JoshNang | eglute: agreed! | 00:36 |
| Haomeng|2 | I understand, we have to do in-band discovery to detect the non-ipmi nic macs | 00:36 |
| eglute | have anyone run into issues with scale? | 00:37 |
| Haomeng|2 | another way, we workthrough the switch snmp to find the macs, assuming all the ports are connecting to our server | 00:37 |
| JoshNang | Haomeng|2: i think that's possible too. it sounds like that's what the compass people want to do | 00:38 |
| JoshNang | eglute: yes! (i work on rackspace onmetal) | 00:38 |
| Haomeng|2 | JoshNang: yes | 00:38 |
| Haomeng|2 | JoshNang: xcat has such function already | 00:38 |
| eglute | JoshNang: i will email you then! | 00:39 |
| Haomeng|2 | JoshNang: we can take as reference | 00:39 |
| JoshNang | eglute: one of our other devs (jroll) did a talk on the issues we ran into at the summit, but i can't seem to find the video http://openstacksummitnovember2014paris.sched.org/venue/Room+242AB#.VGP9y1nF-5I | 00:40 |
| JoshNang | Haomeng|2: ahh, awesome | 00:40 |
| eglute | watching this one at teh moment: https://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-paris-summit-2014/session-videos/presentation/scaling-ironic | 00:40 |
| ChuckC | hi ironic, I'm sending a general plea for help: please take a look at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/050329.html | 00:41 |
| JoshNang | eglute: that's the one | 00:41 |
| ChuckC | especially if you have network boot experience/knowledge... many thanks!! | 00:41 |
| Haomeng|2 | ChuckC: ok, welcome | 00:42 |
| Haomeng|2 | fyi the reference of xcat discovery - http://sumavi.com/sections/understanding-autodiscovery | 00:44 |
| Haomeng|2 | ChuckC: thanks for your mail | 00:45 |
| JoshNang | Haomeng|2: awesome, thanks | 00:45 |
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| lazy_prince | any idea if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87825/ is implemented..? | 07:37 |
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| erwan_taf | hi there | 07:43 |
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| Haomeng | lazy_prince: hi | 08:28 |
| Haomeng | lazy_prince: i think it is neutron patch, right? | 08:29 |
| lazy_prince | Haomeng: its a spec for netron and ironic integration.. | 08:33 |
| Haomeng | lazy_prince: yes, i see it is merged already | 08:33 |
| Haomeng | lazy_prince: you want to check the code? | 08:33 |
| lazy_prince | yup.. so is someone working on this spec..? | 08:34 |
| lazy_prince | i would love to try it out.. | 08:34 |
| Haomeng | lazy_prince: yes, it is implemented, I think, - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-external-attachment-points | 08:35 |
| Haomeng | code is in review, - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116187/ | 08:35 |
| lazy_prince | also i would like to understand how this will actually work in principle.. if there is a ppt/write up elaborating the same, pointers to that will be helpful.. | 08:36 |
| Haomeng | lazy_prince: the code is not merged, so have to check with neutron guys, he should be neutron core | 08:37 |
| lazy_prince | aha.. so if my understanding is correct, if this merges, then there wont be any need for ironic-neutron-plugin (from rackspace).. right..? | 08:38 |
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| dtantsur | Morning Ironic | 08:39 |
| Haomeng | lazy_prince: yes, I think so, but not sure with rackspace | 08:40 |
| Haomeng | lazy_prince: :) | 08:40 |
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| lazy_prince | k.. i will bounce this in neutron room then to get more clarity.. | 08:40 |
| Haomeng | lazy_prince: ok:) | 08:41 |
| lazy_prince | Haomeng: do you know if there is a pointer anywhere on how port create happens for a baremetal in neutron world..? | 08:41 |
| Haomeng | lazy_prince: I understand neutron will manage the port, such as ip address | 08:43 |
| Haomeng | lazy_prince: so it is controled by neutron | 08:44 |
| lazy_prince | i understand that for a general nove boot call, a virtual port is created in neutron by nova and then scheduler schedules to a compute node.. | 08:45 |
| lazy_prince | and then the compute node generates a MAC id and then the quantum agent come into picture.. | 08:46 |
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| lazy_prince | or something similar... how does it work for baremetal.. the sequences is what i looking for.. | 08:46 |
| rameshg87 | lazy_prince, i think it works this way | 08:47 |
| rameshg87 | lazy_prince, ironic has its port enrolled and nova ironic virt driver queries it and creates neutron ports for them | 08:48 |
| rameshg87 | lazy_prince, nova ironic virt driver adds the neutron port id as 'vif_port_id' in the ironic port | 08:49 |
| rameshg87 | lazy_prince, ironic goes and updates the pxe/tftp boot parameters into the neutron port | 08:49 |
| rameshg87 | lazy_prince, one way that i have been testing is to connect the baremetal provisioning network on the neutron node and connect it to ovs integration bridge | 08:50 |
| rameshg87 | lazy_prince, it's documented http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/deploy/install-guide.html#configure-neutron-to-communicate-with-the-bare-metal-server | 08:51 |
| lazy_prince | rameshg87, okay.. so when you say ironic has its port enrolled, i do not understand as by then the scheduler has not yet identified what node needs to be provisioned.. | 08:54 |
| rameshg87 | lazy_prince, yes, ironic has a separate place in db for enrolling nodes | 08:55 |
| rameshg87 | lazy_prince, neutron ports are created only after the scheduler picks up the node and passes it down to nova compute ironic virt driver | 08:56 |
| rameshg87 | lazy_prince, was that your question ? | 08:56 |
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| lazy_prince | rameshg87: well i want to understand the virtual port creation in neutron for baremetal and then how it is updated with the correct port info.. entire sequence.. I am not worried for the configuration part.. i know the steps for configuration.. i just need to understand the sequence in which the the port is created and configured.. | 08:58 |
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| Haomeng | lazy_prince: yes, neutron dhcp port will be configured by the neutron port update api call from ironic | 09:02 |
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| rameshg87 | dtantsur, hi | 09:45 |
| dtantsur | rameshg87, hi | 09:45 |
| rameshg87 | dtantsur, are you planning to add whole-disk vs partition-disk as a driver capability in your spec ? | 09:46 |
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| dtantsur | rameshg87, I'm not really going into details there, just want to create a basic mechanism | 09:46 |
| rameshg87 | dtantsur, ah okay | 09:46 |
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| rameshg87 | dtantsur|brb, so you will just create an api and the code to query and give all the capabilities. correct ? | 09:47 |
| dtantsur|brb | yes | 09:47 |
| rameshg87 | dtantsur|brb, okay | 09:48 |
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| naohirot | dtantsur: Hello | 14:00 |
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| dtantsur | naohirot, hi | 14:00 |
| naohirot | dtantsur: I just have submitted a very very trivial bug and committed a fix to experience the whole process once. | 14:01 |
| dtantsur | good! | 14:02 |
| naohirot | dtantsur: so what to do next? should I assign a reviewer by myself? | 14:04 |
| dtantsur | naohirot, no, you should just wait | 14:04 |
| naohirot | dtantsur: or should I just wait? | 14:04 |
| naohirot | dtantsur: Okay | 14:04 |
| dtantsur | naohirot, it may take a while, if the team is busy (it took a couple of minutes this time :) | 14:04 |
| dtantsur | naohirot, if you review stays for days already, you may come here and ask for review (do not use mail list for it please) | 14:05 |
| naohirot | dtantsur: Yes, I know :-) | 14:05 |
| dtantsur | naohirot, but generally the team has dashboards with all the patches requiring attention, so if nobody is reviewing your patch, we're probably too busy right now | 14:05 |
| naohirot | dtantsur: Yes, absolutely here is comfortable for me than mailing list everybody look at. :-) | 14:06 |
| dtantsur | yeah :) | 14:06 |
| dtantsur | naohirot, also some people (including myself) receive emails about all the new review requests | 14:07 |
| naohirot | dtantsur: I really get tired to set up all tools. there are a lot. :-) | 14:08 |
| dtantsur | oh I hear you, it took me weeks to bootstrap when I started | 14:08 |
| naohirot | dtantsur: I see. | 14:08 |
| rloo | hello Ironickers :) | 14:08 |
| dtantsur | that's the price to pay for keeping such a big and lively project on a good quality level | 14:09 |
| dtantsur | rloo, o/ | 14:09 |
| naohirot | rloo: Hi | 14:09 |
| rloo | hi dtantsur, I just read your email. What/why aren't you fond of the weekly meeting format? | 14:09 |
| rloo | hi naohirot | 14:09 |
| rloo | dtantsur: the 'proposed' weekly meeting format? | 14:09 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I'm not found of any complication of the process :) | 14:10 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: what process are you referring to, that will get complicated? | 14:10 |
| dtantsur | e.g. for the reason naohirot stated above: the more processes we have, the harder it is for new people. That's mostly about having more formal structure of the meeting and having topics set in advance | 14:11 |
| naohirot | dtantsur: rloo: I go to bed, little tired :) see you tomorrow! | 14:12 |
| rloo | dtantsur: so the 'formal' structure of the meeting. There is already a structure to the meeting, whether you consider it formal or not. The proposal is to change that format. | 14:12 |
| dtantsur | naohirot, see you | 14:12 |
| rloo | dtantsur: wrt topics set in advance. yeah, that could be a problem | 14:12 |
| rloo | night NobodyCam | 14:12 |
| naohirot | bye! | 14:12 |
| rloo | oops, night naohirot | 14:13 |
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| dtantsur | lol | 14:13 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I do hope NobodyCam is sleeping well right now :D | 14:13 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yeah, we were once a small group of folks where only j* mattered ;) | 14:13 |
| dtantsur | :) | 14:13 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ha ha. | 14:13 |
| dtantsur | well, our meeting does not work well right now, so we do need to change | 14:14 |
| rloo | dtantsur: maybe what is missing in that email is the rationale for the 48-hour cut off. Being that if the discussion of a topic is going to be worthwhile, people may need to spend time beforehand, looking/thinking about the issue. | 14:14 |
| dtantsur | rloo, yeah, it make a lot of sense, if we really start doing it ;) | 14:15 |
| rloo | dtantsur: well, we can only try to make things better, and see what happens, and iterate :-) | 14:16 |
| dtantsur | rloo, agile! AGILE!! \o/ | 14:16 |
| dtantsur | :D | 14:16 |
| * dtantsur is a certified scrum master, though never actually did it IRL | 14:17 | |
| rloo | dtantsur: slow and steady is my motto ;) | 14:17 |
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| lucasagomes | rloo, morning :) | 14:22 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, yup yeah, it would require us to actually take a look at the agenda 2 days before the discussions | 14:23 |
| lucasagomes | maybe we can drop that freeze, that's why I put on the mail list, so people can comment about restructuring the meeting | 14:23 |
| rloo | hi lucasagomes | 14:23 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, the hardest thing will be to get used to it | 14:23 |
| lucasagomes | it's even a good place to us to reflect whether we need a meeting or not | 14:24 |
| lucasagomes | as a distributed team, maybe only having discussions on the mail list is enough | 14:24 |
| dtantsur | oh that's going to extremes :D | 14:24 |
| lucasagomes | it's a cultural thing that we may want to discuss about | 14:24 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, 2 problems with ML: easy to ignore, long to receive response | 14:24 |
| rloo | I think that discussions on the mail list are probably the 'fairest' way to have people contribute | 14:25 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, yeah, I also like the idea of the meeting, that's why I think we should try make the process better | 14:25 |
| rloo | dtantsur: if you're involved in ironic, you shouldn't ignore the emails to ironic ;) | 14:25 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yeah, cause of the different TZ's | 14:25 |
| dtantsur | rloo, they're easy to miss though | 14:25 |
| lucasagomes | I understand the weekly meeting is something openstackish | 14:25 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, I don't think so | 14:26 |
| rloo | dtantsur: why easy to miss? I filter the ironic ones into a separate folder ;) | 14:26 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, I don't know any other opensource project that requires people to be online at the same time to discuss stuff | 14:26 |
| lucasagomes | every week | 14:26 |
| dtantsur | I know very few project that are so large and diverse | 14:27 |
| lucasagomes | right, and they do have a weekly meeting? | 14:27 |
| lucasagomes | (just to make it clear, I'm not against the weekly meeting, I just want to have a discussion about it) | 14:28 |
| dtantsur | I don't know them to this details. we can research. | 14:28 |
| lucasagomes | sure yeah | 14:28 |
| rloo | dtantsur, lucasagomes: we can research, and assume that others have figured out a good way to work. but I also think that we should also think about what will/might work for us ;) | 14:28 |
| lucasagomes | +1 | 14:28 |
| lucasagomes | Ironic still fairly small... But very distributed, and finding a way to better serve everyone is good. Because you know some folks in Asia/Oceania they have a lot of problems in participating of the meeting | 14:30 |
| lucasagomes | so we are already excluding some folks | 14:30 |
| NobodyCam | Good Morning Ironic | 14:33 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, morning | 14:33 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, morning :) | 14:34 |
| NobodyCam | morning lucasagomes and dtantsur :) | 14:34 |
| NobodyCam | morning rloo :) | 14:34 |
| rloo | morning NobodyCam | 14:34 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 14:37 |
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| dtantsur | brb | 14:42 |
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| MattMan | Hey lucasagomes : enjoying the torrential rain in Dublin :( | 15:06 |
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| lucasagomes | MattMan, hi there! Oh man yeah, I went out to get some lunch and it was raining a lot | 15:07 |
| MattMan | quick question for you... | 15:09 |
| MattMan | driver_info, a key/value dictionary, from what I can see the values are just free format strings, has there ever been a request to support other data type here such as lists ? | 15:10 |
| lucasagomes | MattMan, yeah... I believe it would be easy to add, right now the values can be a string or integer | 15:17 |
| lucasagomes | I don't know if someone ever asked to support list, but we should because essentially that's a json blob | 15:17 |
| lucasagomes | and you can have list with json | 15:17 |
| lucasagomes | MattMan, https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/api/controllers/v1/node.py#L423-L424 | 15:18 |
| lucasagomes | and wsme seems to have a wsme.ArrayType, so it may be a question of adding it to the list | 15:19 |
| MattMan | I'll have a play thanks for the pointer | 15:19 |
| lucasagomes | MattMan, np | 15:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed openstack/python-ironicclient: VendorPassthru commands to support different HTTP methods https://review.openstack.org/134253 | 15:44 |
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| NobodyCam | ugh so much catch up email :-p | 15:56 |
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| NobodyCam | brb | 15:57 |
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| NobodyCam | I've updated the agenda slightly for the next meeting section. Please feel free to add to or overwright any changes I've made. | 16:16 |
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| NobodyCam | dumb question: what is the best way to get a refference link for an email chain? | 16:34 |
| dtantsur | I always struggle to do it as well... | 16:35 |
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| NobodyCam | :) I generally just search through the cloest month, just thought there may be a better way | 16:38 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 16:39 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: not a dumb question and yeah, that's what I do too :-( | 16:42 |
| JayF | If it's old enough that it'd be on google, you can do a "words from subject site:lists.openstack.org" | 16:43 |
| JayF | domain may be wrong from memory :) | 16:43 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 16:45 |
| NobodyCam | morning JayF :) | 16:45 |
| JayF | morning | 16:45 |
| * JayF hopes nobody else from Ironic got sick with France drugs | 16:45 | |
| JayF | I joked with some of the guys that I managed to make an end-run around jet lag by being sick enough to sleep on demand regardless of what my internal clock said :P | 16:46 |
| JayF | s/drugs/germs/ | 16:46 |
| NobodyCam | :) /me managed to avoid the summit plage this time. (knocks on wood) | 16:47 |
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| JayF | why knock on wood? I don't think you're going to get it now if you haven't yet :P | 16:52 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 16:52 |
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| dtantsur | do we have an official tag for backport candidates? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1391960 | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129942/ has 2 +2 already :) someone wants to take a look ? | 17:08 |
| JayF | ugh that's unplesant | 17:08 |
| adam_g | dtantsur, $rel-backport-potential is whats used across projects | 17:09 |
| adam_g | ie, juno-backport-potential | 17:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Ruby Loo proposed openstack/ironic: ConductorManager catches Exceptions https://review.openstack.org/122526 | 17:10 |
| lucasagomes | adam_g, +1 | 17:10 |
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| rloo | lucasagomes, what's wrong? folks afraid to approve your stuff? :-) I'll take a look in a few minutes (going to grab some lunch first) | 17:11 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: there is this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo#Git_commit_messages_and_backports | 17:11 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, hah idk seems so lol | 17:12 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: the BP still has Needs approval | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | could that be why? | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, I don't think so, I mean 2 other patches were merged already | 17:15 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | but that's a good point we should sync the bps with the specs | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | look what was merged and mark it as approved | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | look at* | 17:15 |
| * lucasagomes writes it down | 17:15 | |
| NobodyCam | +++ | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | day is almost ending here, but tomorrow I can take a look at it | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | see you tomorrow! | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | ahh then you'll need to have a pint for /me | 17:18 |
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| NobodyCam | night dtantsur|afk | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur|afk, see yah | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, +1 | 17:19 |
| rloo | night lucasagomes | 17:19 |
| dtantsur|afk | discoverd moving to stackforge \o/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133473/ | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur|afk, w00t! | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, will go soonish | 17:21 |
| * lucasagomes hope it's not raining | 17:21 | |
| rloo | snowing here | 17:21 |
| dtantsur|afk | now gone for real :) | 17:21 |
| JayF | dtantsur|afk: was it deliberate to not include it in bare metal program? | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, I think that's the next step, tho yeah it would make sense to do it directly | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, oh snow <3 | 17:23 |
| JayF | for ipa it was done in one swoop | 17:23 |
| JayF | slurp in teeth-agent from github --> turned into openstack/ironic-python-agent | 17:24 |
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| lucasagomes | I see, yeah we def should have done that | 17:26 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur|afk: awesome news for discoverd!!! | 17:29 |
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| NobodyCam | brb | 17:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed openstack/ironic: Make vendor methods discoverable via the Ironic API https://review.openstack.org/133533 | 17:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed openstack/ironic: Make vendor methods discoverable via the Ironic API https://review.openstack.org/133533 | 17:38 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: wrt 129942. I'm not crazy about 'supported' to indicate supported http methods. Wouldn't 'http_methods' make more sense? | 17:38 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: 'supported' makes me think of a Boolean value. | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, http_methods would be more explicit indeed | 17:40 |
| lucasagomes | maybe supported_http_methods? or too long? | 17:40 |
| * lucasagomes is bad naming things >.< | 17:40 | |
| rloo | lucasagomes: I think that's too long. I think 'http_methods' or 'supported_http'. hmm, I prefer 'http_methods' | 17:41 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: don't worry, the other reviewers didn't comment on it either ;) | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, right, yeah I'm fine with that | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | mind adding a comment there so I change it tomorrow asap? | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | or today later on at home | 17:41 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: yeah, I'm going to add a comment. wanted to check with you first, cuz didn't want to -1 otherwise. | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, right, yeah it's all good | 17:42 |
| rloo | thx lucasagomes! | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | but feel free to -1 any of the patches, I think that naming things consistently is a hard thing and we should try to get it right :D | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | so def a valid -1 :) | 17:43 |
| rloo | :-) | 17:43 |
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| lucasagomes | alright I will call it a day | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | have a good night everyone | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, I marked that patch as WIP I will fix it after I get home | 17:59 |
| rloo | night lucasagomes. | 17:59 |
| rloo | thx lucasagomes; I just added my comments. | 17:59 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, awesome alright, thanks! | 17:59 |
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| lucasagomes | see ya | 17:59 |
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| yjiang5_away | JoshNang: Hi, just a quick question, I'm reading https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102685/14/specs/kilo/support-zapping-of-nodes.rst , can I understand that zap is mostly similar to decommission, but not in the deployment stage? | 18:27 |
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| JoshNang | yjiang5_away: yup! | 18:27 |
| JayF | yjiang5_away: zapping is just the new name for decommissioning | 18:27 |
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| JayF | yjiang5_away: because many people associate "decommissioning" with permanently deleting and removing a server from their infra | 18:27 |
| JoshNang | but also includes more "ready-state" type things, like configuring a baseline raid array | 18:28 |
| JoshNang | basically any long running task you want done prior to scheduling | 18:28 |
| yjiang5 | JoshNang: I like this :) | 18:28 |
| JoshNang | heh me too | 18:28 |
| yjiang5 | JoshNang: JayF: to a ESL guy, it's not easy to get the *exact* meaning of these words. Thanks for your explainations. | 18:29 |
| JayF | yjiang5: it's not easy for those of us with English as a first language either ;) | 18:30 |
| JayF | yjiang5: sometimes I think it'd be easier if we just made up new words and assigned meaning to them | 18:30 |
| yjiang5 | JayF: :) | 18:30 |
| JoshNang | yjiang5: we spend a lot of time arguing over which word to use a lot :) | 18:30 |
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| NobodyCam | starting to see question about migration support in ironic | 18:31 |
| * Shrews wants a PEWPEW state | 18:31 | |
| JoshNang | Shrews: haha! | 18:31 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 18:31 |
| yjiang5 | JoshNang: Noticed the difference of the state machine between your latest spec and your old version decommission spec. | 18:31 |
| yjiang5 | Shrews: PEWPEW? what's that? | 18:32 |
| JayF | yjiang5: you should def read the big spec victor_lowther put up about the new state maching | 18:32 |
| JayF | yjiang5: the sound a zapper would make :P | 18:32 |
| JoshNang | yjiang5: is there a difference? i just subbed decom for zap | 18:32 |
| JayF | yjiang5: i.e. if you were a kid and were shooting a "fake gun", you'd say "pew pew" | 18:32 |
| yjiang5 | JayF: hehe. | 18:32 |
| Shrews | yjiang5: http://omglasergunspewpewpew.com | 18:33 |
| Shrews | (highly entertaining for a juvenile mind such as mine) | 18:34 |
| yjiang5 | Shrews: Got it. like the cute squirrel | 18:34 |
| yjiang5 | JoshNang: Aha, I will check again. Thanks. | 18:36 |
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| JoshNang | yjiang5: i still envision it as a part of the node lifecycle (post delete, but before scheduling), but you could definitely disable it and only zap when you want via the API | 18:37 |
| NobodyCam | lol reading victors spec.. all the impact sections: Probably, Yep, Definitly... lol | 18:39 |
| JayF | Impact: Everything evar | 18:39 |
| yjiang5 | JoshNang: In latest version and also per victor's spec, It's DELETED->ZAPPING, and in your previous version, IIRC, it's DELETING->DECOMMISSIONING. Am my understanding right? | 18:40 |
| JayF | exactly | 18:40 |
| JayF | just imagine every instance of "DECOMMISSIONING" goes to "ZAPPING" and "DECOMMISSIONED" to "ZAPPED" | 18:41 |
| JayF | just a name change that happened at the summit | 18:41 |
| JoshNang | right | 18:41 |
| JoshNang | i don't know that the node really ever goes to "DELETED" in actuality. the conductor moves it along as soon as it reports deleting is done | 18:42 |
| yjiang5 | JoshNang: JayF, thanks. I will read victor's spec. | 18:43 |
| Shrews | JoshNang: is it intended that zapping will be a part of the rebuild process, too? | 18:44 |
| Shrews | i.e., nova rebuild | 18:45 |
| JoshNang | Shrews: hmm. i'd think not. i haven't looked too deeply at what all happens during rebuild though | 18:45 |
| Shrews | JoshNang: ok. leaving comment on the spec for you then | 18:45 |
| JayF | Shrews: I'd say zapping will generally occur during a tenant-change | 18:45 |
| JoshNang | Shrews: thanks :) | 18:45 |
| Shrews | JayF: ++ | 18:46 |
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| yjiang5 | Just wondering what's the nick name of Ramakrishnan in IRC. | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | yjiang5: I think rameshg87 | 19:03 |
| yjiang5 | NobodyCam: thanks. | 19:03 |
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| yjiang5 | NobodyCam: A basic question to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133828/2/specs/kilo/new-ironic-state-machine.rst , seems all of these states will be kepts in the provision states, right? | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | yjiang5: or target state | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | is the question on the nomenclature of "provision state"? | 19:11 |
| yjiang5 | NobodyCam: Yes. I just think we push too much into the provision/target_provision state. | 19:12 |
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| yjiang5 | NobodyCam: I will try to leave comments on the changeset. If we understanding the provision state as an interface to Nova or other orchestration tools, we should keep that as simple/stable as possible. Discovering IMHO is not part of provision, Zap, depends on the vision, maybe not part either. | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | I can see your point... Yes please leave comments on the review :) | 19:14 |
| yjiang5 | NobodyCam: thanks and will do that. | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | this may be a good review for the new meeting format. | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | Are / Would there be objections to me adding the new state machine as a topic for the next meeting? | 19:15 |
| JoshNang | NobodyCam: +1000 | 19:16 |
| yjiang5 | NobodyCam: +1. | 19:16 |
| * NobodyCam updates agenda | 19:16 | |
| yjiang5 | JoshNang: you added too much ...... :) | 19:16 |
| JoshNang | NobodyCam: we should get that decided and out of the way ASAP. its a blocker for zapping, long running agent, configuring nodes during deploy, etc | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | JoshNang: I agree I have added it to the agenda | 19:18 |
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| JoshNang | NobodyCam: awesome! | 19:18 |
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| NobodyCam | speaking of the new state machine, do we ever expect to support migration of nodes, and if so would we want a state for that? | 19:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Lupersolsky proposed openstack/ironic: Adds help for installing prerequisites on RHEL https://review.openstack.org/134337 | 19:29 |
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| yjiang5 | NobodyCam: would it be better to discuss when migration support added? Otherwise, we may have to consider shelf also ( will we support shelf)? | 19:29 |
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| NobodyCam | yjiang5: how would you use the shelf state? kinda like maintenance mode? | 19:31 |
| JayF | shelving a node makes a lot less sense for ironic | 19:32 |
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| yjiang5 | NobodyCam: No idea :( That's a argument that possibly we can't finish the state machine for all potential states now. We have to update the state machines case by case in future. | 19:33 |
| JayF | unless you'd do something like boot a ramdisk, image the disk, store that image somewhere encrypted, and "unshelve" is putting that back on another "compatible" node | 19:33 |
| JayF | I think the state engine as proposed gets us through K | 19:33 |
| JayF | and is easy to add things to | 19:33 |
| yjiang5 | JayF: yes, agree. | 19:33 |
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| NobodyCam | I've lost the capiablities etherpad, anyone have a link handy? | 19:39 |
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| rloo | NobodyCam: do you mean https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-ironic-exposing-different-capabilities? | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: thats the one... Thank you :) | 19:43 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: yw | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | back in a bit ... /me heads afk to find food stuffs | 19:57 |
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| mrda | Morning Ironic | 20:25 |
| NobodyCam | morning mrda | 20:46 |
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| mrda | hey NobodyCam | 20:51 |
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| NobodyCam | any one know if sindhusha.yadavalli is in channel? | 21:27 |
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| NobodyCam | brb | 22:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Josh Gachnang proposed openstack/ironic: Improve IPA client library https://review.openstack.org/111118 | 22:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Josh Gachnang proposed openstack/ironic: Improve IPA client library https://review.openstack.org/111118 | 22:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic: ConductorManager catches Exceptions https://review.openstack.org/122526 | 22:23 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ironic: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/134383 | 22:28 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/114058 | 22:28 |
| NobodyCam | any one have an idea or example of a root-only flavor? | 22:50 |
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| JayF | What do you mean by that? | 22:51 |
| NobodyCam | line 32 of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97150/14/specs/kilo/whole-disk-image.rst | 22:51 |
| JayF | Hmm. | 22:56 |
| JayF | I'm not sure what that means either. | 22:56 |
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| NobodyCam | left a comment :-p | 23:05 |
| JayF | hmm. https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/drivers/modules/ipmitool.py line 677 | 23:09 |
| JayF | set_boot_device requires a lock | 23:09 |
| JayF | so does raw_bytes() | 23:09 |
| JayF | so is it possible for me to call raw_bytes() from within set_boot_device()? | 23:09 |
| * JayF working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1390667 | 23:09 | |
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| JayF | I have it all implemented inside set_boot_device() but it's a lot of dup'd code | 23:10 |
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| JayF | JoshNang: ^ do you know? | 23:12 |
| JoshNang | lemme lok | 23:13 |
| JayF | I'm thinking I might want to rip out most of send_raw() into a private method that I can reuse in both the passthru/public version of send_raw and set_boot_device | 23:14 |
| JayF | but I'm not sure | 23:14 |
| JoshNang | look, even. but it looks like it'd work? | 23:15 |
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| JayF | Even though they both want a lock? The decorator is smart enough to not deadlock? | 23:15 |
| JoshNang | i think it just checks that you have a lock, not takes out a lock | 23:16 |
| JoshNang | https://github.com/openstack/ironic/blob/master/ironic/conductor/task_manager.py#L116 | 23:16 |
| JoshNang | it just grabs task from args and checks if task.shared is False, otherwise raises an exception | 23:16 |
| JayF | aha | 23:17 |
| JayF | okay, I'll just do that then. Rockin'. I just wrote a bunch of code for nothign. | 23:17 |
| JayF | lol | 23:17 |
| JoshNang | :P | 23:18 |
| JoshNang | i think we've all been there | 23:18 |
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| Haomeng|2 | morning | 23:24 |
| JayF | mornign | 23:24 |
| NobodyCam | morning Haomeng|2 :) | 23:24 |
| Haomeng|2 | NobodyCam: :) | 23:26 |
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| mrda | Hi Hao | 23:36 |
| JayF | JoshNang: aha, I can't call it directly | 23:41 |
| JayF | JoshNang: because it's in the VendorPassthru class | 23:41 |
| JoshNang | i thought you could still do that...something like task.driver.vendor.$method | 23:43 |
| JoshNang | as terribly hacky as that is.. | 23:44 |
| JayF | hm | 23:45 |
| JoshNang | i think we did something like that in the agent driver to call raw_bytes | 23:46 |
| JayF | downstream, you mean? or is that upstream too? | 23:46 |
| JoshNang | upstream | 23:46 |
| JayF | Aha, so my patch should pull that too. | 23:46 |
| JoshNang | hmm maybe not | 23:46 |
| JayF | yeah I'm like 90% sure that's only downstream, because we thought it was h/w specific | 23:47 |
| JoshNang | yeah you're probably right | 23:47 |
| JoshNang | "task.driver.ipmi_vendor.vendor_passthru" | 23:50 |
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