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| devananda | morning, all | 07:40 |
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| Haomeng | devananda: morning:) | 07:44 |
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| teju | Haomeng : hi..i dont see ironic packges in Juno documentation ....will ironic packages for Juno be available after Paris Summit? | 08:07 |
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| devananda | teju: packaging is up to your distribution, not our developers | 08:21 |
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| devananda | teju: ubuntu has already produced packages of juno release | 08:22 |
| teju | devananda : ok...i dont see ironic doc in http://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt/content/ | 08:23 |
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| devananda | teju: that is different. that is the openstack doc team's install guide. We did not contribute to the writing of that | 08:24 |
| dtantsur | Morning, TGIF! | 08:24 |
| romcheg | Morning guys! | 08:25 |
| romcheg | devananda: You're already in Paris, aren't you? | 08:25 |
| devananda | teju: we will be contributing to that for Kilo, though | 08:25 |
| devananda | rmoyes | 08:25 |
| teju | devananda : ok. | 08:25 |
| devananda | romcheg: yes | 08:25 |
| romcheg | Cool, looking forward to meet yo all again :) | 08:26 |
| devananda | teju: see this page: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/deploy/install-guide.html | 08:26 |
| teju | devananda : ok | 08:28 |
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| Haomeng | teju: h | 08:35 |
| Haomeng | teju: hi | 08:35 |
| Haomeng | teju: i can find ironic juno release package from fedora release web site | 08:36 |
| Haomeng | teju: let me check the url for your | 08:36 |
| Haomeng | teju: reference | 08:36 |
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| teju | Haomeng : k | 08:39 |
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| Haomeng | teju: https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-juno/fedora-20/ | 08:43 |
| Haomeng | teju: timestamp is 16-Oct-2014 | 08:43 |
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| Haomeng | teju: so you can try with these rpms, and take Deva's install guide as reference to have try, I understand the rpm doses not contain the instalation and setup scripts | 08:44 |
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| teju | Haomeng : k | 08:46 |
| devananda | mrda: will we see you in paris? | 08:48 |
| teju | Haomeng : will Ironic work fine just with nova & dnsmasq, rather than using Neutron? | 08:50 |
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| Haomeng | teju: ironic depends on nova/glance/neutron | 08:54 |
| Haomeng | teju: and keystone | 08:55 |
| teju | Haomeng : yes....i am asking bcoz i've implemented a simple ironic driver which does not require any n/w service for it's working | 08:57 |
| Haomeng | teju: great | 08:59 |
| Haomeng | mrda | 09:00 |
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| devananda | teju: it depends on what you want to do / how much existing openstack functionality you need (eg, from nova, glance, keystone) | 09:06 |
| devananda | teju: in principle, you can use ironic stand-alone, but doing so today is complicated and not documented | 09:06 |
| teju | devananda : ok...i am asking bcoz installing & configuring neutron is a bit tricky & difficult compared to nova | 09:08 |
| devananda | teju: can you tell me a little about your driver? particularly why it doesn't require networking | 09:09 |
| teju | devananda : my driver is targeted for NICs which have boot from SAN capability and the driver just does one thing : get iscsi target details from cinder volume & post them for iscsi boot...hope I am making sense | 09:11 |
| devananda | teju: I think so. you have an out-of-band mechanism to configure NIC's boot-from-volume capability | 09:12 |
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| devananda | combine that with an existing power driver (eg, ipmitool) and you dont need a deploy driver like IPA, since you are not writing an image to each node | 09:13 |
| devananda | that about right? | 09:14 |
| teju | devananda : yes | 09:14 |
| teju | devananda : u r right, I used ipmi for power management & implemented my logic for deploy interface | 09:14 |
| devananda | nova still needs a network service | 09:14 |
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| devananda | if you're using nova-network, that is probably sufficient, but I'd still encourage you to use neutron in the long term | 09:15 |
| teju | devananda : k. | 09:15 |
| devananda | teju: are you going to submit your driver upstream? | 09:16 |
| teju | devananda :we are still working on LICENSE | 09:18 |
| devananda | teju: ??? | 09:18 |
| teju | devananda : should I use APACHE license or can I use my company's license ? | 09:19 |
| devananda | any code contributed t oopenstack must be apache license | 09:19 |
| teju | devananda : ok | 09:20 |
| devananda | there are very clear guidelines for how to submit it -- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute and https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GerritWorkflow are good places tos tart | 09:21 |
| Haomeng | teju: welcome you contribute back your code into openstack:) | 09:21 |
| Haomeng | teju: standalone ironic is useful for some case, that is easy for customer to setup a easy env without glance/neutron etc to get invovled | 09:22 |
| teju | devananda : ok . it's upto my organization to decide how & when to distribute the driver | 09:23 |
| Haomeng | teju: did you add more ironic commands, for example, by default, ironic is invoked from nova boot, so if standalone ironic, we should have the command to launch the provision | 09:23 |
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| teju | Haomeng : i used curl command to kick off boot provision | 09:24 |
| Haomeng | teju: that is ok in lib, but it is better we have command to use it for end user | 09:24 |
| Haomeng | teju: I like this stand-alone ironic idea:) | 09:25 |
| devananda | teju: sure. I'm happy to talk offline with them if they have questions about it. | 09:25 |
| teju | devananda : cool.thanks | 09:25 |
| Haomeng | teju: in the first time I try to use ironic, I want to launch it from ironic site only, without nova/neutron, but failed... | 09:26 |
| Haomeng | teju: :) | 09:27 |
| teju | Haomeng : ok. i also configure neutron, but ..installing neutron is really painful :) | 09:27 |
| Haomeng | teju: yes, I think the physical network is not focus for neutron | 09:28 |
| Haomeng | teju: so for our bm provisioning with physical network, neutron is not required at all | 09:28 |
| Haomeng | teju: I understand neutron is focusing on virtual networking | 09:29 |
| teju | Haomeng : yes. | 09:29 |
| Haomeng | teju: to manage the virtual nic, switch and routers | 09:29 |
| Haomeng | teju: :) | 09:29 |
| teju | Haomeng : if there are 2 options 1. ironic + nova + dnsmasq + ....and 2. ironic + neutorn +.... this would be gr8 | 09:31 |
| Haomeng | teju: but nova depends on neutron I think | 09:31 |
| devananda | teju: we test ironic + nova/glance/keystone/neutron -- so this is what I can say "is supported today" | 09:31 |
| devananda | teju: you can probbly make something useful without neutron, but we aren't testing or supporting that configuration upstream | 09:32 |
| teju | devananda : yes... i configured the same in my setup | 09:32 |
| devananda | and frankly, I have no plans to do that | 09:33 |
| devananda | because I want nova-network to be replaced by neutron | 09:33 |
| Haomeng | yes, we have to follow openstack framework | 09:33 |
| devananda | i'm going to drop offline for a while - in Paris already and will be heading out for the day shortly | 09:34 |
| devananda | back this evening | 09:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sam Betts proposed a change to openstack/ironic: Add logging to driver vendor_passthru functions https://review.openstack.org/129298 | 10:16 |
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| lucasagomes | morning all :) | 10:39 |
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| sambetts | Morning! | 10:49 |
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| jroll | morning everybody :) | 11:46 |
| sambetts | Morning jroll | 11:51 |
| jroll | heya sambetts :) | 11:51 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, morning, wow it's quite early there no? | 11:51 |
| jroll | a little | 11:52 |
| jroll | I was up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 11:52 |
| lucasagomes | :) yup | 11:53 |
| jroll | sambetts: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129298/ just happened | 12:03 |
| jroll | grats :) | 12:03 |
| sambetts | :D Thanks v.much! I was just researching that weird reason we can't use "if method is None", and it this gives an interesting explanation http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5218895/python-nested-functions-variable-scoping, it seems to be the act of assigning method causes flake8 to decide that it must be a local variable to the inner function and it just forgets about the fact it existed before | 12:06 |
| sambetts | I tried it was a # noqa too and that didn't help :/ | 12:07 |
| jroll | ha, yah | 12:07 |
| jroll | yay python. | 12:07 |
| sambetts | woop woop :D | 12:08 |
| jroll | for the friday pod session thing... let's have a "rewrite ironic in go" hackday | 12:08 |
| sambetts | for a real challenge full rewrite in NodeJS :-P | 12:09 |
| jroll | that works too :P | 12:10 |
| sambetts | I'm pretty excited for next week now :D | 12:10 |
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| jroll | ha | 12:11 |
| jroll | you should be, it's fun | 12:11 |
| jroll | but to be clear, we're not re-writing ironic in a different language :P | 12:12 |
| lucasagomes | w00t! | 12:13 |
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| lucasagomes | please no js :( | 12:13 |
| lucasagomes | go +1 | 12:13 |
| lucasagomes | unless it's a suicidal attempt so I would go for js | 12:14 |
| jroll | lol | 12:14 |
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| lucasagomes | http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-php-singularity/ | 12:17 |
| lucasagomes | I would just replace every PHP word with JavaScript there | 12:17 |
| sambetts | haha I have to agree, I've only ever done one project in node and the debuging made me want to cry XD | 12:17 |
| lucasagomes | I don't understand JS really, it was created like almost 20 years ago... nobody gave a damn about it | 12:18 |
| jroll | honestly, javascript isn't *that* bad | 12:19 |
| lucasagomes | I understand it was available everywhere, but shoving a bunch of new features into it and saying that's the new way to develop web doesn't make it good | 12:19 |
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| lucasagomes | oh yeah it's | 12:19 |
| jroll | it has some weirdness | 12:19 |
| lucasagomes | it's bad, the design is bad | 12:19 |
| lucasagomes | everything is bad | 12:19 |
| jroll | it has some really bad parts | 12:19 |
| jroll | but like | 12:19 |
| jroll | you can build a large app on it | 12:19 |
| jroll | with good performance qualities | 12:19 |
| jroll | just takes effort | 12:19 |
| lucasagomes | see, that's the wrong tool for that | 12:20 |
| jroll | possibly | 12:20 |
| jroll | depends on the application :) | 12:20 |
| jroll | JS has a great concurrency story | 12:20 |
| jroll | and a couple years ago, before go existed... it was basically JS or twisted | 12:20 |
| jroll | if you wanted event-driven concurrency | 12:21 |
| dtantsur | and tornado and evenlet and gevent :) I think they're pretty old already :) | 12:21 |
| sambetts | Occam existed | 12:21 |
| lucasagomes | I don't blame javascript itself, the problem is that I think it's being overused | 12:21 |
| dtantsur | though Twisted... yeah | 12:21 |
| lucasagomes | telling people to use JS nowadays, urgh | 12:21 |
| jroll | dtantsur: well, a bunch of weird python stuff :P | 12:21 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: there's also a great packaging/module ecosystem | 12:22 |
| dtantsur | heh yeah. green threads are _always_ strange, even when they're at the code of the language. and especially when they're not | 12:22 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, with node.js right? | 12:23 |
| jroll | yes | 12:23 |
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| jroll | in the browser is a whole different story | 12:23 |
| jroll | because you're forced to use JS | 12:23 |
| jroll | and the DOM makes you want to stab things | 12:24 |
| dtantsur | :) | 12:24 |
| sambetts | :-) | 12:24 |
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| lucasagomes | heh | 12:25 |
| sambetts | I opened a can of worms :-P | 12:25 |
| * dtantsur is waiting for pypy in browser | 12:25 | |
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| sambetts | People have ported everything to JS, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a JS python interpreter | 12:26 |
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| jroll | hehe | 12:26 |
| jroll | there is | 12:26 |
| lucasagomes | time for a boycottjavascript.org | 12:27 |
| lucasagomes | just to follow the trendy | 12:27 |
| jroll | lol | 12:28 |
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| lucasagomes | brb lunch | 12:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ironic: Add logging to driver vendor_passthru functions https://review.openstack.org/129298 | 12:53 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128460/ | 13:22 |
| jroll | we should just land that | 13:22 |
| dtantsur | jroll, why? it's not doing anything | 13:23 |
| jroll | dtantsur: it's making sure a variable is defined | 13:23 |
| dtantsur | jroll, it's always defined | 13:23 |
| dtantsur | on which path it is not? | 13:23 |
| jroll | oh hm | 13:24 |
| jroll | yeah, you might be right | 13:24 |
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| jroll | you should point that out on the review instead of "this needs a test" :P | 13:24 |
| jroll | but I tend to think there must have been something going on that inclined him to write this patch... | 13:24 |
| dtantsur | if it was the real bug fix, it would need a test :) | 13:25 |
| jroll | like, he doesn't write code for nothing :P | 13:25 |
| jroll | oh, wait | 13:25 |
| jroll | dtantsur: it's if deploy_is_done() raises | 13:25 |
| jroll | so maybe it needs a test, dunno | 13:25 |
| dtantsur | jroll, then it should have a test | 13:25 |
| jroll | right | 13:26 |
| dtantsur | left a comment | 13:26 |
| Shrews | hrm, i see a path where msg is not defined | 13:28 |
| jroll | Shrews: yeah, we found it | 13:28 |
| Shrews | ah, nm me then :) | 13:29 |
| sambetts | The way thats written seems a bit weird to read, I see the path, but the message definition seems deassociated with the cause | 13:29 |
| sambetts | the _deploy_is_done call is almost hidden by the rest of the if statement | 13:30 |
| jroll | right | 13:31 |
| jroll | I tend to miss that, it could be better | 13:31 |
| * jroll writing a test for this now | 13:31 | |
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| sambetts | also those "msg = " could be defined outside of the function yes? has ironic got a constants file or something? | 13:38 |
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| jroll | I think that's fine | 13:39 |
| jroll | but that whole block sucks | 13:40 |
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| Shrews | jroll: we could just throw out the entire agent :) | 13:42 |
| * Shrews hides | 13:42 | |
| jroll | I mean... | 13:43 |
| jroll | not the worst idea. | 13:43 |
| jroll | :) | 13:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Jim Rollenhagen proposed a change to openstack/ironic: Fix traceback on rare agent error case https://review.openstack.org/128460 | 13:44 |
| jroll | dtantsur: added a test | 13:44 |
| dtantsur | thanks | 13:45 |
| Shrews | jroll: maybe we should use mock.ANY there instead of the error string so we don't have to duplicate it? | 13:46 |
| jroll | yeah, I thought about that | 13:47 |
| jroll | I'm fine with it either way | 13:47 |
| jroll | that's probably the best way, though | 13:47 |
| * jroll does it | 13:47 | |
| openstackgerrit | Jim Rollenhagen proposed a change to openstack/ironic: Fix traceback on rare agent error case https://review.openstack.org/128460 | 13:47 |
| jroll | much better | 13:48 |
| Shrews | agreed! | 13:48 |
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| jroll | Shrews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129991/1 | 13:57 |
| jroll | this isn't actually random afaict | 13:57 |
| jroll | it randomizes the list | 13:57 |
| jroll | and then uses that same order over and over | 13:58 |
| Shrews | jroll: it's random in that you can't predict the order | 13:58 |
| jroll | sure | 13:58 |
| jroll | ok | 13:58 |
| Shrews | and would be different, possibly, on restarts | 13:59 |
| jroll | I think we all can agree that any sane deployment should use a load balancer or something | 13:59 |
| Shrews | i don't understand the need for that, but like i said, we can see how it plays out if everyone else is ok with it | 13:59 |
| jroll | yeah | 14:00 |
| jroll | I mean, nobody is objecting | 14:00 |
| jroll | so I'm going to approve it | 14:00 |
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| Shrews | jroll: lol... your comment should be in our docs! :) | 14:02 |
| jroll | hehe | 14:02 |
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| Shrews | i wonder why we bother changing a default value when it's totally configurable? https://review.openstack.org/131296 | 14:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed a change to openstack/ironic: Add sync and async support for passthru methods https://review.openstack.org/129662 | 14:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed a change to openstack/ironic: Add a mechanism to route vendor methods https://review.openstack.org/129261 | 14:08 |
| jroll | Shrews: defaults should be sane for a production environment | 14:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed a change to openstack/ironic: Add sync and async support for passthru methods https://review.openstack.org/129662 | 14:09 |
| Shrews | jroll: sanity is an illusion... but ok | 14:10 |
| jroll | that said | 14:10 |
| jroll | I don't see what this has to do with the power state loop | 14:10 |
| jroll | oh, it sets -R things | 14:11 |
| jroll | hm | 14:11 |
| lucasagomes | oh that's ruby patch? | 14:11 |
| jroll | which one? | 14:11 |
| jroll | Shrews: aha | 14:12 |
| jroll | I would think I would have noticed this | 14:12 |
| jroll | but our ipmitool doesn't have -R | 14:13 |
| jroll | <3 debian :( | 14:13 |
| lucasagomes | the one you guys were talking, the glance api one | 14:15 |
| jroll | oh yeah | 14:15 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, I think there's a check in the ipmitool code to verify it, no? | 14:15 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: I approved that... 5 cores with no objections | 14:15 |
| lucasagomes | it uses R if its supported | 14:15 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: right, there is... check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1383432 | 14:15 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, sure, yeah I was good with that | 14:15 |
| jroll | you'll only see that bug with -R | 14:16 |
| NobodyCam | morning Ironic | 14:16 |
| lucasagomes | Oh I see, lemme read | 14:16 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, morning | 14:16 |
| jroll | though we have seen problems when our BMCs are lagging | 14:16 |
| sambetts | Morning NobodyCam | 14:16 |
| jroll | but... different problems | 14:16 |
| jroll | or not as slow, I guess | 14:16 |
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| jroll | this is like 10 minutes for a dead bmc | 14:16 |
| jroll | morning NobodyCam :) | 14:16 |
| Shrews | morning NobodyCam | 14:16 |
| NobodyCam | morning lucasagomes sambetts and jroll :) | 14:16 |
| lucasagomes | damn, 10 min until the timeout kicks in? | 14:17 |
| NobodyCam | oh and Shrews | 14:17 |
| NobodyCam | too | 14:17 |
| lucasagomes | yeah that's way too much | 14:17 |
| jroll | yeah | 14:17 |
| jroll | 60s * 5 retries | 14:17 |
| jroll | wait. | 14:17 |
| jroll | seems wrong | 14:18 |
| jroll | 12s * 5 retries | 14:18 |
| jroll | somehow took 10 minutes | 14:18 |
| * Shrews scratches head over jroll's math | 14:18 | |
| * jroll finds more coffee | 14:19 | |
| lucasagomes | hah | 14:19 |
| lucasagomes | good call, I need some coffee too | 14:19 |
| dtantsur | NobodyCam, morning | 14:29 |
| NobodyCam | morning dtantsur | 14:31 |
| NobodyCam | oh the packing of it all | 14:31 |
| Shrews | NobodyCam: don't forget the corp CC! | 14:31 |
| * Shrews hates doing that | 14:32 | |
| NobodyCam | lol | 14:34 |
| NobodyCam | oh ya | 14:34 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 14:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ironic: Iterate over glance API servers https://review.openstack.org/129991 | 14:59 |
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| dtantsur | ok folks, see you in Paris (some of you maybe even on Sun) and have I nice weekend :) | 16:23 |
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| lucasagomes | dtantsur|afk, see ya | 16:26 |
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| sambetts | dtantsur|afk: See you there! | 17:04 |
| yjiang5 | Haomeng|2: hi | 17:07 |
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| sambetts | I'm also off for today, see everyone in Paris I should be there from 1pm on Sun so hopfully I'll bump into a few of you then! | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | sambetts, see you there | 17:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed a change to openstack/ironic: Add sync and async support for passthru methods https://review.openstack.org/129662 | 17:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed a change to openstack/ironic: Vendor endpoints to support different HTTP methods https://review.openstack.org/129942 | 17:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Lucas Alvares Gomes proposed a change to openstack/ironic: Add a mechanism to route vendor methods https://review.openstack.org/129261 | 17:51 |
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| lucasagomes | aight I will call it a day, have a great weekend | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | see some of you in Paris next week :) | 17:57 |
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| dtantsur|phone | So I thought it's a good idea to have irc on the phone during the summit :) | 18:40 |
| dtantsur|phone | Have a nice weekend again :) | 18:41 |
| cohn | digital leash... | 18:44 |
| cohn | ; ) | 18:44 |
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