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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Backward-compatible branch list for bindep element https://review.openstack.org/198166 | 00:13 |
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jeblair | fungi: ^ | 00:15 |
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fungi | jeblair: thanks! | 00:15 |
openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Don't fail to build cache on missing bindep lists https://review.openstack.org/198171 | 00:15 |
fungi | that one i have no excuse for, other than not testing under set -e | 00:17 |
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jeblair | fungi: stdout is empty string in that case? | 00:19 |
fungi | jeblair: yep | 00:19 |
fungi | so it didn't dawn on me that git show was also returning nonzero (128 in this case) when it did that | 00:20 |
fungi | i think i must have added set -e to the script after testing that | 00:21 |
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openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed stackforge/gertty: Supply a default query on search https://review.openstack.org/198175 | 00:27 |
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fungi | ooh, just tested that and it's useful | 00:30 |
openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-iptables: Support side-loading iptables rules https://review.openstack.org/193847 | 00:30 |
fungi | nibalizer: do you have an example invocation for that ^ or is it backward compatible with how we're using it now? | 00:32 |
fungi | looks like it still takes the same classvars we're already using at least | 00:33 |
fungi | nibalizer: ignore me, i see you updated the readme too. i'm set ;) | 00:34 |
nibalizer | fungi: see readme | 00:35 |
nibalizer | ah yes | 00:35 |
nibalizer | so in theory we can remove stuff like http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/manifests/site.pp#n230 and the 'groups' class can just ask for the ports to be open that it needs | 00:36 |
nibalizer | fungi: id also apprecaite your feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167346/ if you're not too busy | 00:36 |
fungi | nibalizer: sure, looking | 00:37 |
fungi | ooh, that's helpful | 00:37 |
jeblair | mordred: i reviewed https://review.openstack.org/140840 ! i have a question about your clever attempt to root all our servers. | 00:39 |
fungi | nibalizer: +2, it makes those job logs much more useful | 00:39 |
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jeblair | what's the centos6 status? | 00:40 |
greghaynes | and he almost got away with it too... | 00:41 |
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fungi | jeblair: last i heard pabelanger confirmed that it's solved by updating to newer git package, however centos 6 epel has no such newer git package. ianw filed a bug about a regression he found with it which could be the underlying cause. i haven't looked at it again in the past couple days | 00:42 |
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jeblair | fungi: it looks like the centos6 job is voting and fast... | 00:43 |
ianw | jeblair: yeah, pabelanger is out doing whatever you do on canada day till next week | 00:43 |
fungi | oh, indeed it is voting again | 00:43 |
* fungi git blames | 00:43 | |
jeblair | "fungi blame" usually works! | 00:44 |
fungi | true enough | 00:44 |
ianw | jeblair: i think the problem is -> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1237395 | 00:44 |
openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1237395 in git "extremley slow https clone performance" [Unspecified,Assigned] - Assigned to pstodulk | 00:44 |
jeblair | ("jeblair blame" just prints "mordred" and exits) | 00:45 |
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ianw | although i'm wondering if something that's happened on the remote end recently with all the git changes might have triggered something | 00:45 |
fungi | jeblair: oh, you were probably looking at the same change i was, which ran that job before we made it non-voting | 00:46 |
ianw | maybe switching to git:// could be done quickly, which i haven't looked into? | 00:46 |
jeblair | fungi: oh ok | 00:46 |
fungi | jeblair: also it's not always super slow. just often enough to cause problems | 00:46 |
fungi | so that one was apparently lucky and completed in half the timeout | 00:46 |
jeblair | ianw: hrm, i thought we did that, but maybe we lost discipline and have started sliding back to https? | 00:46 |
fungi | ianw: pabelanger's tests indicated that http:// and git:// were a little faster than https:// but not at all on the order of the speed of a later git release | 00:47 |
jeblair | (i mean, we've been struggling with this in some form for a year) | 00:47 |
mordred | jeblair: oh - that should have a WIP on it | 00:47 |
morganfainberg | jeblair: lol | 00:48 |
fungi | mordred: you mean a root password of foobar was just a placeholder? | 00:48 |
fungi | granted, if your root password is foobar then probably so is your server... | 00:48 |
mordred | fungi: it was for debugging | 00:48 |
jeblair | actual change will set it to 's3cr3tpa55w0rd' | 00:48 |
mordred | while we were hacking on glean | 00:48 |
morganfainberg | fungi: hey, my root password is 12345 | 00:48 |
mordred | and got pushed up senselessly | 00:49 |
morganfainberg | i mean ******* | 00:49 |
asselin | have a good weekend. I'll be on vacation until next Tuesday! | 00:49 |
jeblair | asselin: enjoY! | 00:49 |
ianw | fungi: i have some packages ... i could pull them in and try; i know pabelanger had a change he was fiddling with, i'll tyr and fin dit | 00:49 |
fungi | have a fun vacation asselin! | 00:49 |
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mordred | jeblair, SpamapS: btw - we can TOTALLY have ansible use sudo | 00:49 |
asselin | thanks | 00:49 |
mordred | I believe I shied away from that originally because there was a weird interaction between sudo, puppet and our mysql module | 00:49 |
fungi | ianw: it seemed like that job duration spiked way up on the same day that we patched glibc for the ghost vulnerability, but that could be entirely unrelated | 00:50 |
jeblair | does that get us anything worthwhile? | 00:50 |
mordred | jeblair: using sudo? | 00:50 |
mordred | jeblair: I mean, in theory it allows us to set up something with the logging | 00:50 |
jeblair | (sudo logging the commands i guess, but... meh) | 00:50 |
mordred | yah | 00:50 |
jeblair | mordred: yeah | 00:50 |
fungi | ianw: just wondering if something got bumped loose in that glibc update to cause git remote calls to intermittently hang for minutes at a time | 00:50 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Print the node definition before apply test https://review.openstack.org/167346 | 00:50 |
jeblair | nibalizer: ^ | 00:51 |
ianw | fungi: maybe, but you'd think someone else would notice | 00:51 |
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fungi | ianw: sometimes i feel like we're the only people in the world using centos 6.x (i know that's far from reality, but...) | 00:52 |
jeblair | i suspect this has been happening for a year, and the thing that has changed is that the number of refs has increased to the point that we are hitting our arbitrary timeout, but overall the process may have been gradual | 00:52 |
fungi | ianw: and i agree it seems like if it mucked with name resolution or socket handling enough to cause such a regression in git, it would have impacted other things as well | 00:52 |
jeblair | lemme see if i can graphite that | 00:52 |
ianw | fungi: so is this change going to test the changed job? | 00:52 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Don't fail to build cache on missing bindep lists https://review.openstack.org/198171 | 00:52 |
ianw | ^ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196761/2 | 00:53 |
fungi | jeblair: also likely the case | 00:53 |
fungi | ianw: no, 196761 is not self-testing though pabelanger had a separate throwaway change which was | 00:54 |
ianw | right, that's the one i'm digging for... | 00:54 |
nibalizer | jeblair: fungi neat | 00:54 |
fungi | ianw: https://review.openstack.org/195288 i think | 00:55 |
fungi | yeah, that's definitely the one | 00:56 |
lifeless | fungi: mordred: pretty please give us our daily constraints. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194886/ | 00:56 |
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ianw | fungi: yep, ok, ... let me try with my packages. if that fixes it, we can get that pushed and is probably the easiest way... | 00:56 |
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fungi | lifeless: also needs https://review.openstack.org/198120 | 00:56 |
fungi | before the job will actually work | 00:56 |
lifeless | fungi: no | 00:56 |
mordred | lifeless: and forgive those who contraint against us? | 00:56 |
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lifeless | fungi: thats the flip side | 00:57 |
lifeless | fungi: this is making devstack vm gate runs *use it* | 00:57 |
lifeless | fungi: the thing you're talking about is the nag job to stop constraints going stale. | 00:57 |
fungi | lifeless: er, right... we need 198120 before the proposal job will work | 00:57 |
lifeless | mordred: if you're in a good mood :) | 00:57 |
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fungi | yep, the devstacklog.txt for that looks good | 01:00 |
fungi | so much === | 01:00 |
openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Ensure tests run with ConfigParser object https://review.openstack.org/179822 | 01:02 |
openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Take parameter order from yaml in trigger_parameterized_builds https://review.openstack.org/193660 | 01:02 |
mordred | AJaeger_: where does this: http://developer.openstack.org/firstapp-libcloud/getting_started.html come from? | 01:03 |
tonyb | jhesketh: So I see the publish job ran and copied up the new calendars | 01:04 |
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tonyb | jhesketh: but they're still 404 possibly because of your apache review? | 01:04 |
jhesketh | tonyb: yep | 01:05 |
jhesketh | and I can confirm they are on eavesdrop :-) | 01:05 |
tonyb | jhesketh: :) | 01:05 |
openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack-infra/system-config: [DNM] centos6 git hangs https://review.openstack.org/198177 | 01:05 |
tonyb | jhesketh: at some point I'll have to work out how to remove files but that's a conversation for another day. | 01:05 |
jhesketh | tonyb: hmm, that's a good point | 01:06 |
tonyb | jhesketh: I had menat to pate in https://jenkins06.openstack.org/job/irc-meetings-publish/14/console | 01:06 |
jhesketh | tonyb: possibly the easiest way would be to define it in puppet to remove any files older than the mod time on the index.html | 01:06 |
tonyb | jhesketh: okay that could work. | 01:07 |
openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack-infra/system-config: [DNM] centos6 git hangs https://review.openstack.org/198177 | 01:07 |
jhesketh | tonyb: hmm, does the target expect a folder | 01:07 |
tonyb | jhesketh: que? | 01:08 |
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mordred | AJaeger_: I found it | 01:08 |
jhesketh | tonyb: that console output you just pasted failed to upload index.html and irc-meetings.ical... in he scp change I made I had set those as the target filenames, but perhaps target is just a directory and it only ever takes the source filename | 01:09 |
openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack-infra/system-config: [DNM] centos6 git hangs https://review.openstack.org/198177 | 01:09 |
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tonyb | jhesketh: Oh I see. | 01:10 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Point out that non-voting jobs are skipped in the readme https://review.openstack.org/198127 | 01:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Hesketh proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Fix ical scp upload https://review.openstack.org/198180 | 01:15 |
jhesketh | tonyb: ^ | 01:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Create automated job for sample configuration files https://review.openstack.org/177620 | 01:17 |
ianw | fungi / jeblair : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198177/ <- what's the metric for success? does it mostly fail or mostly pass? i run it few a through rechecks | 01:18 |
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jeblair | ianw: istr it was glose to 50% earlier | 01:18 |
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jeblair | close | 01:18 |
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jeblair | fungi, greghaynes: thoughts on https://review.openstack.org/190539 ? | 01:21 |
fungi | ianw: the symptom i was seeing is that a high frequency of jobs hit a random git remote operation which hangs for 10+ minutes. sometimes it hangs for most of the 30 minutes and times out. sometimes it hangs for just 10-15 and then resumes normally. sometimes it hangs for 10 or 15 minutes in a couple places and times out during the second hang | 01:21 |
fungi | jeblair: seems reasonable to me unless we want to try to make node-devstack capable of running independent of nodepool-base | 01:23 |
ianw | fungi: alright; i'll keep rechecking and see. if i see it, probably a good thing would be to replace /usr/bin/git with a shell script that runs it under strace | 01:23 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Rename zaqar-milestone group in gerrit to zaqar-stable-maint https://review.openstack.org/188023 | 01:24 |
fungi | ianw: agreed. so far i've only been able to jump on machines where i see a job hung and attach strace to the git child process which is stuck. but at most i see it idling in a read on a socket or maybe a select poll loop if i'm lucky | 01:25 |
openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack/requirements: Add location to requirement.Requirement https://review.openstack.org/198185 | 01:26 |
openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack/requirements: Fix editing constraints files with urls in them. https://review.openstack.org/198186 | 01:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Alpha-sort modules.env https://review.openstack.org/191245 | 01:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Bring in module to manage update-alternatives https://review.openstack.org/171556 | 01:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Switch to using constraints files. https://review.openstack.org/194886 | 01:44 |
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jeblair | fungi: are there other icehouse removal changes in flight? https://review.openstack.org/195982 | 01:47 |
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fungi | jeblair: pretty sure that change is a duplicate of one that merged in the past couple days | 01:51 |
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jeblair | fungi: thought it might be | 01:52 |
fungi | jeblair: yeah https://review.openstack.org/197687 merged a day ago | 01:52 |
fungi | for whatever reason 195982 didn't get bumped as a merge conflict | 01:52 |
openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Clean up bindep invocation in cache-bindep element https://review.openstack.org/198191 | 01:54 |
fungi | okay, with that ^ i completed ubuntu-trusty and centos-6 diskimages on nodepool.o.o | 01:54 |
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fungi | so that is a known-working state for nodepool image-build now | 01:55 |
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fungi | qcow2 images for each of those two are ~5gib | 01:59 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add project for Cisco UI (Horizon plugin) https://review.openstack.org/196087 | 01:59 |
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lifeless | Kiall: so did you find that log for me ? | 02:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Switch rally-heat job to neutron from nova-network https://review.openstack.org/197515 | 02:11 |
ianw | fungi / jeblair: so i've rechecked this about 7 times and it has worked -> https://review.openstack.org/198177 but ... http://dilbert.com/strip/2001-10-25 | 02:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add functional test job to python-ironic-inspector-client https://review.openstack.org/197577 | 02:14 |
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jeblair | ianw: er, i was just about caught up on project-config changes. now somehow i'm 14 years behind on dilbert | 02:14 |
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fungi | jeblair: ianw: speaking of catching up on dilbert, i haven't read it in ages but this one crossed the crypto list last week and i got a chuckle http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-06-21 | 02:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Octavia: enable a voting py34 gate on master https://review.openstack.org/197732 | 02:21 |
fungi | lifeless: your e-mail says | 02:22 |
fungi | "If you are raising a minimum version of a requirement, you need to also raise it in upper-constraints.txt." | 02:22 |
fungi | lifeless: should that have been raising a maximum version? | 02:22 |
clarkb | fungi no if the min is higher than upper constraints thats a fail | 02:23 |
* fungi thought minimum versions were ending up in the as of yet implemented lower-constraints.txt | 02:23 | |
fungi | er, as of yet unimplemented | 02:23 |
clarkb | basically you cant move min ir max beyond that end of upper constraints | 02:24 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Skip py26 for oslo.versionedobjects https://review.openstack.org/197814 | 02:24 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Make amqp1 check voting again https://review.openstack.org/197917 | 02:24 |
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fungi | clarkb: that makes sense, though perhaps i didn't squint quite enough at the text between the lines | 02:24 |
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fungi | as written, it implies that any time you increase a minimum, regardless of whether it's still less than the upper constraint, you need to raise the upper constraint (and to what version in that case?) | 02:25 |
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fungi | raising your maximum version seems like it would necessitate raising the corresponding upper constraint however | 02:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Revert "puppet: disable voting for beaker/centos7 jobs" https://review.openstack.org/198167 | 02:30 |
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jeblair | fungi, tonyb, jhesketh: https://review.openstack.org/198180 | 02:31 |
fungi | jeblair: not if they're insistent on having some files in a calendars subtree | 02:33 |
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jeblair | fungi: are you saying it would flatten? | 02:34 |
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fungi | either the scp publisher is instructed to preserve the hierarchy (in which case it preserves it all, including the "output" prefix dir and you need a dance like i did for the specs-prep macro) or you let it flatten and then you can't put some in a subdirectory | 02:34 |
fungi | optionally, we could accept the output prefix getting created and adjust all our symlinks in puppet accordingly | 02:35 |
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fungi | which is probably the cleanest solution | 02:35 |
jeblair | oh, rlight, only ftp has remove-prefix | 02:35 |
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jeblair | fungi: i'm okay with either; i'll change my vote to a +2 | 02:37 |
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fungi | yeah, the options are all terrible and involve working around the scp publisher plugin's behaviors | 02:39 |
lifeless | fungi: we need to write a manual for this | 02:39 |
lifeless | fungi: its on my todo to find our existing docs and expand on them | 02:39 |
lifeless | fungi: but as clarkb says, raising lowers is indeed correct | 02:40 |
fungi | lifeless: when you do find our existing docs, let me know | 02:40 |
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lifeless | fungi: :/ | 02:40 |
fungi | lifeless: i thought lower constraints was basically the highest of the lower version bounds across the aggregate set, and upper constraints was the lowest of the upper version bounds across the aggregate set | 02:41 |
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lifeless | fungi: we haven't done lower-cosntraints yet | 02:42 |
lifeless | fungi: raising a minimum above the pinned version in any of the constraints files we have has to be illegal | 02:42 |
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fungi | so best case, if all repos were in sync with global requirements, then for some requirement>=x,<=y we'd have x in the lower constraints list and y in the upper constraints list | 02:42 |
clarkb | not quite, constraints reflects the dep solver resolved max today | 02:43 |
fungi | lifeless: right, but raising a minimum and not raising it above the upper constraint still needs you to raise the upper constraint? and if so, then to what do you raise it if it's already higher? | 02:43 |
clarkb | min should be the solved min | 02:43 |
lifeless | fungi: no, that is indeed a nuance | 02:43 |
lifeless | fungi: I was aiming for 'don't surprise people' rather than 'the entire manual' :) - your understanding is more complete than my email. | 02:43 |
fungi | lifeless: most of the raises of minimums i see to global requirements in the past have not raised the minimum above the prior maximum (especially since we often didn't declare maximums) | 02:44 |
fungi | so it doesn't seem like a corner-case nuance | 02:44 |
lifeless | fungi: it may indeed be a very common nuance | 02:44 |
lifeless | 'be willing to raise' would have been better prose | 02:44 |
lifeless | nevertheless | 02:44 |
fungi | got it. i understand now, just be prepared for others to similarly misinterpret and thing they always need to raise the upper constraint but not have any idea what to raise it to | 02:45 |
fungi | s/thing/think/ | 02:45 |
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fungi | our global requirements enforcement (and requirements handling and pbr and python packaging in general) is already dark magic to most of the people who are submitting changes to global requirements | 02:46 |
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jhesketh | jeblair: yeah what fungi said... I toyed with placing everything inside another sub folder and updating the symlinks, but I thought having 3 separate uploads was neater since we have 3 separate symlinks anyway (so they kind of match) | 02:47 |
fungi | lifeless: oh, as for where our documentation of the current stuff is, i think http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/requirements/tree/README.rst represents the bulk of what we have | 02:48 |
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lifeless | fungi: yeah, I've edited that before, but I feel its kindof undiscoverable | 02:48 |
fungi | there's more there than i remembered. i'm glad people continued to flesh it out | 02:48 |
fungi | and yep, we can toss in some sphinx boilerplate and link the readme into that and add a normal publishing job for it | 02:49 |
lifeless | I'm thinking link from the infra developing-on-openstack guide for instance | 02:49 |
jeblair | jhesketh: cool, feel free to aprv then | 02:49 |
lifeless | + the so-you-want-to-release-something docs | 02:49 |
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fungi | section the first: "be afraid... be VERY afraid" | 02:50 |
jhesketh | jeblair: thanks, done | 02:50 |
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jeblair | i have cleared my project-config queue | 02:51 |
jeblair | \o/ | 02:51 |
fungi | jeblair: i am envious | 02:51 |
jhesketh | nice work! | 02:51 |
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jhesketh | by the way, are many people planning on attending either of the LinuxCon's this season? | 02:52 |
lifeless | jhesketh: LinuxCon ? | 02:52 |
fungi | jhesketh: i am not. full dance card already | 02:52 |
jeblair | 120 changes down, 594 to go | 02:52 |
jhesketh | lifeless: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-north-america or http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-europe | 02:53 |
lifeless | ah | 02:54 |
lifeless | thanks :) | 02:54 |
lifeless | some folk call LCA a linuxcon | 02:55 |
lifeless | and that confuses me, so I seek clarity | 02:55 |
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jhesketh | lifeless: fair enough :-) | 02:57 |
jhesketh | jeblair: is there a reason you didn't +A 196130 | 02:57 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Fix ical scp upload https://review.openstack.org/198180 | 02:59 |
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jeblair | jhesketh: wanted more people to see stackforge project gerrit branch acl configuration happening | 03:02 |
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jeblair | lca and linuxcon could not be more different | 03:03 |
lifeless | yeah | 03:03 |
jhesketh | well the difference is only 3 characters ;-) 'fau' | 03:04 |
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jeblair | i mean, i guess one could be about post-modern literary criticism... no that's actually still less different | 03:04 |
jhesketh | lol | 03:06 |
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tonyb | jeblair: Thanks | 03:08 |
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lifeless | jhesketh: five letters | 03:11 |
lifeless | jhesketh: adfut | 03:11 |
* Clint squints. | 03:13 | |
jhesketh | lifeless: eh? | 03:14 |
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fungi | jeblair: taron has expounded on the reasons for submitting 197376 (the project must be compiled building from source before deploying). i guess a hidden step in the spec for this was "determine how we want to deploy go projects from source" | 03:16 |
jeblair | fungi: maybe step 2 is hook it into the deb packaging system, but maybe step 1 is write some puppet to checkout, compile, and install on host? | 03:22 |
jeblair | taron: ^ | 03:22 |
jeblair | (and all that would be triggered by a vcsrepo update) | 03:23 |
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fungi | agreed. that's lighter weight than maintaining a fork just for the sake of having a build solution. i don't find compiling on the server where we're deploying distasteful. especially since it'll be running on its own server anyway | 03:24 |
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jeblair | fungi: taron left that and another suggestion in gerrit | 03:28 |
jeblair | my plane is fixin to land; 'night | 03:29 |
fungi | enjoy your transition from your airborne office to your home-based office | 03:29 |
fungi | assuming you're getting home any time soon! | 03:29 |
lifeless | jhesketh: linux DOT conf DOT au | 03:30 |
lifeless | jhesketh: O is common, d and t are unique :) | 03:30 |
fungi | linux dot matrix | 03:31 |
jeblair | that's where i think i'm heading at least | 03:31 |
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Clint | does that help? | 03:50 |
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taron | I don't know enough about either option to have a preference, though at a quick glance I'm liking the vcsrepo idea better | 03:56 |
* taron will probably find something to install from source on their laptop later since it's managed with puppet anyway | 03:57 | |
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fungi | yeah, while puppet may _seem_ like a bit of complication to exec the compilation and installation of some software, triggering builds on ephemeral job workers, autopublishing them to a repository and then reconsuming them via puppet is well into rube goldberg machine territory | 04:00 |
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fungi | we do it for gerrit because we have (more that we had) little other choice. we're working toward eventually not needing to do that | 04:01 |
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taron | yeah, I thought it seemed a little odd when nibz suggested it but I don't really have any kind of background in CI/etc to know any better. it ended up being a really good intro to how zuul configuration and so on works though. | 04:05 |
nibalizer | i thought it was clewned | 04:06 |
nibalizer | er cleaner | 04:06 |
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nibalizer | since exec { 'build': } | 04:06 |
taron | I'm not totally convinced there's any such thing as a clean install from source | 04:06 |
nibalizer | is super gross | 04:07 |
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taron | basically seems like choice of gross at this point | 04:08 |
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Clint | you should totally get it into debian while choosing | 04:08 |
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nibalizer | lol | 04:14 |
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fungi | i'm not sure why compiling the application on the server where you'll run it is any less gross than a bunch of automation to compile it somewhere else and copy it around | 04:23 |
fungi | unless you actually plan to actively redistribute the compiled version | 04:23 |
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tchaypo | fungi: if anything I think it’s more gross; some people stridently object to having compilers on production machines | 04:27 |
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fungi | wow. what unix do you hail from? ;) | 04:30 |
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Clint | it's in a bunch of security standards | 04:31 |
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fungi | yes, i remember them | 04:32 |
fungi | still not quite sure what removing cc from your server does to protect you against anything, if you've got several language interpreters that do jit (or no compilation at all) with access to the same | 04:33 |
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ianw | fungi: do you have examples to hand of where that centos6 job hangs? i can't replicate it, but i really don't see how the change i identified would modify the behaviour of git:// protocol, which i *think* it uses | 04:56 |
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fungi | ianw: sure, here's one where the apply log went silent for 22 minutes before the job timed out and was killed http://logs.openstack.org/91/198191/1/check/gate-infra-puppet-apply-centos6/7d45cd7/console.html#_2015-07-03_02_24_32_521 | 04:59 |
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ianw | fungi: ok, how do you know git was hung from that log? | 05:02 |
ianw | the puppet call returned, but git was left in the bg? | 05:04 |
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fungi | ianw: not sure on that exact one, but on the ones where i've caught them in progress and logged in, there's been a git child process with a start time of roughly when the log went silent | 05:05 |
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ianw | fungi: alright, well looking at the logs more closely it seems we have a lot of instances of git://... and https:// mixed in. so i feel better that maybe it's hanging on a https clone | 05:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Steve Kowalik proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Do not call sys.exit inside ZanataUtils https://review.openstack.org/198218 | 05:13 |
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openstackgerrit | Steve Kowalik proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add a register-zanata-projects.py script https://review.openstack.org/198236 | 06:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Steve Kowalik proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add a register-zanata-projects.py script https://review.openstack.org/198236 | 07:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: stackforge/{anchor,bandit} -> openstack/{anchor,bandit} https://review.openstack.org/197673 | 07:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add jhesketh to accessbot https://review.openstack.org/196983 | 07:35 |
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dtantsur | hey folks! ironic-inspector-release https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/978,members was initialized empty after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198008/ | 07:37 |
dtantsur | what should I do to add myself into it? | 07:37 |
dtantsur | we're close to release, but currently we can't do it :( | 07:38 |
dtantsur | anteaya, from our chat I thought it will be fine ^^ | 07:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Don't apply strict parsing rules to stable branches. https://review.openstack.org/198151 | 07:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add new project: puppet-refstack https://review.openstack.org/182437 | 07:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Adding doc gate jobs for openstack/defcore https://review.openstack.org/189956 | 07:54 |
openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Don't run periodic stable jobs for Icehouse https://review.openstack.org/195982 | 07:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Lukasz Zajaczkowski proposed openstack-infra/project-config: added project stackforge/monasca-log-api https://review.openstack.org/194595 | 08:30 |
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zigo | lifeless: The requirements for fixtures are wrong, it expects a higher version of pbr. | 08:40 |
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haypo | hi. a test is failing gate-glance-python27 but i'm unable to reproduce the issue on my Fedora 22. the test looks to depend on the filesystem, which may be /tmp | 08:42 |
haypo | so it probably depends on /tmp is mounted. or it's maybe just related to my change. or it's a race condition | 08:42 |
haypo | well, i would like to know if it's ok to add run system commands like find, mount, df, etc. in an unit test just to debug the issue? | 08:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Witold Bedyk proposed openstack-infra/project-config: added project stackforge/monasca-log-api https://review.openstack.org/194595 | 08:43 |
zigo | haypo: I think we should release a new version of sqla-migrate, named 1.0.x, so that we tell the world it supports sqla 1.0.6. | 08:44 |
haypo | zigo: hum ok. sorry, i'm not involved in the sqlalchemy-migrate project, i cannot help you on that | 08:47 |
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haypo | zigo: FYI i have two pending patches for sqlalchemy-migrate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174734/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174738/ | 08:48 |
Odd_Bloke | Could I potentially get another pair of eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191081/? I'd love to have our coverage checks running. :) | 08:48 |
openstackgerrit | Victor Stinner proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Make gate-sqlalchemy-migrate-python34 voting https://review.openstack.org/198266 | 08:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Derek Higgins proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: temprevert heat : Add a new crypt method using cryptography https://review.openstack.org/197985 | 09:00 |
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haypo | ok, so i added my debug commands to https://review.openstack.org/197916 | 09:06 |
haypo | => https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197916/6/glance/tests/unit/test_image_cache.py | 09:07 |
haypo | and now something completly different. gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-oslo.utils failed on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198026/ : devstack failed on | 09:07 |
haypo | + /opt/stack/new/requirements/.venv/bin/edit-constraints /opt/stack/new/requirements/upper-constraints.txt -- keystone '-e /opt/stack/new/keystone' | 09:07 |
haypo | ... pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 2917, in parse_requirements | 09:07 |
haypo | pkg_resources.RequirementParseError: Missing distribution spec /opt/stack/new/oslo.utils | 09:07 |
haypo | did someone already seen this error? | 09:07 |
haypo | i don't understand the error :-( | 09:08 |
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robcresswell | Hey all, sorry to bug again. My project patch was merged ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196087/ ) and I was wondering if someone could add me to the relevant core and release teams ( https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/?filter=horizon-cisco-ui ). Thanks! | 09:08 |
haypo | lifeless: ^^ maybe you? | 09:08 |
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lifeless | zigo: how so ? | 09:14 |
lifeless | haypo: yes, patches are up for that | 09:14 |
lifeless | haypo: in devstack + requirements | 09:14 |
lifeless | haypo: one failed CI and I haven't dug into it yet | 09:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Andrey Pavlov proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add non-voting Sahara grenade job for upgrades testing https://review.openstack.org/197076 | 09:25 |
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openstackgerrit | Dawid Malinowski proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for OWASP Dependency-Check Plugin https://review.openstack.org/179604 | 09:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Dawid Malinowski proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for Artifactory plugin https://review.openstack.org/173932 | 09:49 |
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tmorin | I've lots of issues on jenkins jobs not passing, on a Neutron related project | 10:04 |
tmorin | issues like git clone failing, IOErrors | 10:04 |
tmorin | I guess this is known and being fixed/investigated, but I wanted to check | 10:05 |
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openstackgerrit | Ekaterina Chernova proposed openstack/requirements: Exclude yaql 0.3.0 from requirements https://review.openstack.org/196977 | 10:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Adam Coldrick proposed openstack-infra/storyboard: Support offset/limit pagination in the API https://review.openstack.org/198297 | 10:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Adam Coldrick proposed openstack-infra/storyboard: Support offset/limit pagination in the API https://review.openstack.org/198297 | 10:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Markus Zoeller (markus_z) proposed openstack-infra/release-tools: launchpad: Add script to clean up bug inconsistencies https://review.openstack.org/197060 | 10:50 |
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robcresswell | Hello. Is there anybody specifically to speak to about adding cores to a new project? | 11:17 |
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ttx | robcresswell: any infra-core should be able to seed the initial group | 11:23 |
ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/306,members | 11:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Adam Coldrick proposed openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Show story list rather than landing page by default https://review.openstack.org/198319 | 11:28 |
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markus_z | anteaya: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-June/002850.html | 11:34 |
markus_z | anteaya: I finally found the people behind this mail. | 11:34 |
markus_z | anteaya: You asked me 3 weeks ago to contact them. | 11:34 |
markus_z | anteaya: It seems that they understood the provided information and the CI will work soon. | 11:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Andrey Kurilin proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Use in-tree devstack plugin to fix rally gates https://review.openstack.org/198320 | 11:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Andrey Kurilin proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Use in-tree devstack plugin to fix rally gates https://review.openstack.org/198320 | 11:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Evgeny Antyshev proposed openstack-infra/zuul: show reconfiguration failures https://review.openstack.org/148926 | 11:50 |
SergeyLukjanov | robcresswell, hey, I could add you to the gerrit group, what's you gerrit user id? | 11:53 |
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SergeyLukjanov | robcresswell, and group you'd like to join :) | 11:53 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: temprevert heat : Add a new crypt method using cryptography https://review.openstack.org/197985 | 11:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Marc Koderer proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Activate devstack plugin for Murano https://review.openstack.org/198325 | 12:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add Parameterized Remote Trigger Plugin support. https://review.openstack.org/150327 | 12:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Mark McLoughlin proposed openstack-infra/project-config: OpenStack Foundation Transparency Policy project https://review.openstack.org/179648 | 12:12 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Adding disableArchiveOutput option in Robot Framework Plugin https://review.openstack.org/187343 | 12:13 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Support for more options in gerrit plugin and doc cleanup. https://review.openstack.org/196610 | 12:13 |
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dtantsur | SergeyLukjanov, hi! not sure if you're the right person, but I'll try :) yesterday new ironic-inspector-release group was created in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198008/ but it's empty. Could you initialize it with me please? | 12:14 |
SergeyLukjanov | dtantsur, yup | 12:14 |
dtantsur | thnx! | 12:14 |
SergeyLukjanov | dtantsur, what's your gerrit id? | 12:15 |
dtantsur | SergeyLukjanov, it's username, right? dtantsur. email divius.inside at gmail | 12:15 |
SergeyLukjanov | dtantsur, done | 12:15 |
dtantsur | SergeyLukjanov, thanks! | 12:16 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Support for post-step-run-condition in Maven projects https://review.openstack.org/191668 | 12:16 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for the Naginator Plugin https://review.openstack.org/179366 | 12:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Adding support for LiveScreenshot Plugin https://review.openstack.org/191708 | 12:18 |
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openstackgerrit | Fatih Degirmenci proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add Google Cloud Storage Plugin support https://review.openstack.org/192397 | 12:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Victor Stinner proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Make gate-sqlalchemy-migrate-python34 voting https://review.openstack.org/198266 | 12:21 |
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fungi | robcresswell: i've added you as the initial member of the groups for horizon-cisco-ui | 12:28 |
fungi | SergeyLukjanov: i took it from the author/committer e-mail of the change that added that project | 12:28 |
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EmilienM | fungi: thanks for your help on centos7 thing | 12:53 |
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EmilienM | I'm happy to see the job green again | 12:54 |
fungi | EmilienM: of course, and i'm sorry for the complication there. this time i can at least blame puppet for being weird, even if it's not from a puppet module you maintain ;) | 12:54 |
EmilienM | ahah | 12:55 |
EmilienM | no problem at all | 12:55 |
EmilienM | fungi: I would like to highlight a series of 3 patches, starting from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197216/ | 12:55 |
fungi | the pip package provider unnecessarily upgrading dependencies but only when you ensure => 'latest' was a bit of a surprise | 12:55 |
EmilienM | I understand why our image was not fresh :) | 12:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Dawid Malinowski proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Adding publisher support to join-trigger plugin https://review.openstack.org/178836 | 13:04 |
mordred | EmilienM: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197218/5 does not do what your commit message says | 13:05 |
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mordred | EmilienM: it says "non-voting job" and then "dont run on stable" - but instead it's a voting job that is non-voting on stable | 13:05 |
EmilienM | mordred: I might have done wrong but I want: 1/ do not run the job on stable branch 2/ do not vote at all, ever never | 13:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: puppet: refactorize puppet-syntax job https://review.openstack.org/197216 | 13:08 |
mordred | EmilienM: oh! wait - i think I read something wrong | 13:10 |
mordred | EmilienM: you're right. | 13:10 |
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openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Rename Puppet jobs to avoid word duplication https://review.openstack.org/198347 | 13:12 |
EmilienM | mordred: no prob | 13:12 |
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EmilienM | mordred: this one ( https://review.openstack.org/198347 ) is for nibalizer and https://twitter.com/nibalizer/status/616054598940241920 | 13:12 |
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EmilienM | mordred: thx for reviews btw | 13:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Rename Puppet jobs to avoid word duplication https://review.openstack.org/198347 | 13:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: puppet: add puppet-unit-latest job https://review.openstack.org/197218 | 13:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: puppet: do not run beaker/upgrade jobs on old branches https://review.openstack.org/197219 | 13:22 |
robcresswell | ttx, SergeyLukjanov, fungi, thanks for your help | 13:29 |
openstackgerrit | Eric Harney proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add experimental Cinder job for LIO https://review.openstack.org/198079 | 13:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Derek Higgins proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Remove unneeded patches https://review.openstack.org/198356 | 13:52 |
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EmilienM | fungi, mordred: with puppet-syntax refacto, I've spotted new issues in modules. I might come up with a patch to make non-voting something | 14:03 |
haypo | hi. i have an issue on glance tests: a test fails because / is mounted with noatime: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1471243 | 14:04 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1471243 in Glance "Test on the xattr image cache fails because of noatime" [Undecided,New] | 14:04 |
haypo | does anyone know if the setup of the OS where gate-glance-python27 is running changed recently? | 14:04 |
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freerunner | Hi folks! We need your help. Our murano-gates blocked. =( Here the fix. Please, review it.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196977/ | 14:12 |
fungi | haypo: is _shouldn't_ have, but we reuse base images made available by our service providers so we don't always know when they subtly change something (like filesystem mount options maybe?) | 14:12 |
haypo | fungi: i'm interested by the noatime mount option for the root fs (/) | 14:13 |
mordred | haypo, fungi: we DO in fact know that rackspace 'helpfully' changed the kernel boot options on base images recently - so it's not crazy to think they may have changed root mount options | 14:14 |
haypo | fungi: it looks like *sometimes*, it has atime, sometimes noatime... | 14:14 |
openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add check-ironic-inspector-dsvm-nv to Ironic experimental pipeline https://review.openstack.org/198381 | 14:14 |
haypo | mordred: oh. so maybe VM booted some times ago may have different mount options? | 14:14 |
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fungi | freerunner: interesting. looks like the yaql authors "hid" 0.3 on the pypi browsing ui but it's still the latest non-beta release. the hide option probably doesn't do what they expect | 14:14 |
openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: puppet/syntax: do not export FUTURE_PARSER https://review.openstack.org/198382 | 14:15 |
EmilienM | fungi: ^ | 14:15 |
EmilienM | fungi: source: https://github.com/gds-operations/puppet-syntax/issues/42 | 14:15 |
openstackgerrit | Emilien Macchi proposed openstack-infra/project-config: puppet/syntax: do not export FUTURE_PARSER when Puppet > 3 https://review.openstack.org/198382 | 14:16 |
haypo | mordred, fungi : if don't cannot control the atime flag, we may skip the test if the FS is mounted with noatime. this bug may block the development of glance :-/ | 14:16 |
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fungi | haypo: bingo | 14:17 |
fungi | haypo: in hpcloud... /dev/vda1 on / type ext4 (rw) | 14:18 |
fungi | haypo: in rackspace... /dev/xvda1 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,barrier=0) | 14:18 |
fungi | haypo: so noatime may or may not be set on the root filesystem depending on where your job runs | 14:18 |
fungi | mordred: haypo: in good news, our new ubuntu-trusty images are booting instances with... /dev/something on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro) | 14:20 |
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EmilienM | mordred, the puppet-syntax refacto broke our CI but I have a fix : https://review.openstack.org/198382 ( source : https://github.com/gds-operations/puppet-syntax/issues/42 ) | 14:21 |
EmilienM | mordred: my bad... | 14:21 |
fungi | mordred: haypo: but it seems that rackspace has helpfully set noatime on their base images (because they live in last decade? or they haven't heard of relatime?) | 14:21 |
EmilienM | friday == troll day :) | 14:22 |
haypo | fungi: "because they live in last decade?" hehe | 14:22 |
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fungi | haypo: anyway, any unit tests which depend on your local filesystem options don't sound like unit tests to me. that's a pretty serious isolation issue | 14:22 |
haypo | fungi: noatime is faster! ;) | 14:22 |
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haypo | fungi: well, that was my first (hidden) question. is it an infra issue or a glance issue? :) | 14:23 |
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fungi | if glance has a functional testsuite, it's likely better to relocate things like that there | 14:23 |
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haypo | fungi: ok. but a functional test can requires a specific mount option to the infra? | 14:24 |
fungi | you'd have full root access to do things like `sudo mount -oatime,remount /` | 14:24 |
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haypo | oh. i didn't know that | 14:25 |
fungi | at least i'm pretty sure an on-the-fly remount can toggle atime-related mount options for live filesystems | 14:25 |
fungi | let's call it an exercise left to the reader | 14:25 |
haypo | i don't know if the test pass with relatime | 14:26 |
fungi | yeah, which is why i suggested just atime | 14:26 |
haypo | i remember a nie article on the new "fast atime" option, i don't recall if it was relatime or a new one | 14:26 |
haypo | https://lwn.net/Articles/621046/ ? | 14:27 |
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fungi | haypo: man 8 mount | 14:27 |
fungi | haypo: search down to the relatime entry in the options section | 14:28 |
haypo | fungi: no, it's a new one. maybe called "lazytime". i was merged recently in the kernel | 14:28 |
haypo | it* was | 14:28 |
haypo | (i'm not part of the kernel -yet-) | 14:29 |
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fungi | haypo: basically in linux 2.6.30 the default behavior switched to relatime. before that it used what's now called strictatime (which was a lot more of an i/o performance hit, and why they switched) | 14:29 |
haypo | ok, it's lazytime, introduced in Linux 4.0 -- http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_4.0#head-3e847edbcf4c617048c905b6972979f7bb7547a3 | 14:29 |
fungi | so in short, if the test works without noatime, then it's using relatime | 14:29 |
fungi | in reality your unit test job _could_ be modified to run something like that before it revokes sudo access and executes your normal job payload, but still that doesn't seem like you should have filesystem mount option expectations in your "unit" tests | 14:30 |
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fungi | i'm guessing you're in need of some sort of filesystem mock | 14:31 |
ttx | mordred: just posted episode 2 of my Phabricator adventures. | 14:34 |
mordred | ttx: woot! | 14:34 |
ttx | I'm slightly worried by what I mention in my "additional note" | 14:35 |
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mordred | ttx: when you say posted ... to where? | 14:35 |
ttx | openstack-infra list | 14:35 |
fungi | is that the one where captain phab publishes a maniphesto? | 14:35 |
mordred | oh my | 14:35 |
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fungi | mordred: i have another! | 14:35 |
ttx | I like Wikimedia using the work "phabbing" now for tracking things into Phabricator | 14:35 |
ttx | word | 14:36 |
haypo | fungi: thanks for your help | 14:36 |
mordred | zoikes! I'd have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids | 14:36 |
fungi | ttx: if we do that before we start using it, that would be a pre-phab | 14:36 |
mordred | ttx: ah! there it is | 14:36 |
ttx | I'm starting to think we could model repo and branches using Phab "projects" if we keep them under control the way Wikimedia does | 14:36 |
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mordred | ttx: nod. also - since "projects" get a kanban - it probably should go through at least a mild amount of thought | 14:38 |
hashar | hello :-} | 14:38 |
mordred | ttx: the triaging thing is an interesting one | 14:38 |
fungi | branch-specific kanbans. that's an ...odd... thought | 14:38 |
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ttx | yeah, it's pretty deeply rooted in Phab UI approach, and I don't see how we can escape creating a default triaging team | 14:39 |
mordred | fungi: well, I imagine those would give ignored for normal branches - although a feature branch kanban might actually even make sense | 14:39 |
fungi | hashar: so maniphest is working out well in wikiland? | 14:39 |
mordred | like, "feature/erasure-codes" | 14:39 |
mordred | ttx: one the one hand, nobody might do it | 14:39 |
ttx | mordred: from my experience, default triaging teams never work | 14:39 |
ttx | mordred: like when you file a bug against "Ubuntu" in Launchpad | 14:40 |
ttx | also known as /dev/null | 14:40 |
mordred | ttx: on the other hand, it might open up a new opportunity for people in companies to be involved where they otherwise could not be | 14:40 |
hashar | fungi: yeah that is a large improvement over bugzilla. and has bring us the wall of cards :-D Some teams previously used Trello | 14:40 |
mordred | ttx: yah. but ubuntu didn't have the "we have 2000 companies filled with people trying to figure out how to contribute upstream" problem we have | 14:40 |
mordred | ttx: so - my gut tells me you're right | 14:40 |
mordred | ttx: but also, maybe for us it's different? /me winces | 14:41 |
hashar | most of our Phabricator / bug process people are in the mailing list team practices ( https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices ) . Feel free to poke people there | 14:41 |
ttx | mordred: on the plus side, that allows to file issue against "OpenSTack". On the bad side, we kinda don't want bugs filed against "OpenStack". | 14:42 |
fungi | nice. quite a few phabricator-in-the-trenches threads on that mailing list | 14:42 |
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mordred | ttx: yah. well - it _is_ useful for the people who file bugs and don't know what they are a bug in | 14:43 |
mordred | ttx: they currently tend tofile those against infra | 14:43 |
ttx | right, that's the plus side | 14:43 |
hashar | fungi: yup. And different teams have different process. We are still experimenting. | 14:43 |
mordred | ttx: and maybe it'll force the issue of getting more thinking about openstack as a thing, rather than nova as a thing | 14:43 |
EmilienM | sorry for asking again, can we have a quick review to unblock puppet ci ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198382/ | 14:43 |
ttx | we went in circles about that when we discussed Storyboard "no task" stories | 14:43 |
fungi | ttx: bugs filed against "OpenStack" can redirect your browser to ask.openstack.org ;) | 14:43 |
hashar | fungi: the team I am part of has a team board which only has epic tasks / high level tasks. Then we have a tag per project and we do weekly triages for each projects | 14:44 |
ttx | fungi: well that's the thing... there is no "against" | 14:44 |
ttx | fungi: you file a PhabTask | 14:44 |
ttx | and pray it falls onto someones pile | 14:44 |
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ttx | hashar: I really like how you kept projects under control | 14:45 |
ttx | also your work on security stuff will save us a lot of time | 14:45 |
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hashar | we have been very liberal in creating new tags | 14:45 |
ttx | right, but still enforcing.. style. | 14:45 |
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hashar | yeah cause tag creation is only made by a handful of people. That helps to avoid a bazaar or identify potentially similar tags | 14:46 |
ttx | hashar: I'm all for being liberal. Ideally Phabricator would have different policy based on icon/color | 14:46 |
mordred | ttx: so with projects/tags repos/branches - are you thinking like a "openstack-nova" tag and an "openstack-nova-juno" tag? | 14:46 |
ttx | so that random people could craete random tags | 14:46 |
mordred | ttx: or an openstack-nova tag and a juno tag? | 14:46 |
ttx | more the latter | 14:47 |
ttx | those tags would be used for search / categoriziation | 14:47 |
mordred | so a tag per repo, a tag per branch | 14:47 |
ttx | then you could in theory have a "nova-stable" tag taht would be a team thing | 14:47 |
ttx | which makes the color / icon coding so important | 14:47 |
mordred | and then tags for whichever other arbitrary buckets get requested | 14:47 |
hashar | and we even have a Sprint extension for phabricator that let you assign points to cards and limit the number of points in a column. Example for a project quaterly goal board: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/visualeditor_2015_16_q1_blockers/ | 14:47 |
hashar | that one is a sprint workboard | 14:48 |
ttx | hashar: don't try to spread Agile glue onto my ski slope | 14:48 |
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hashar | hehe | 14:48 |
hashar | it is just a potential use case :-} Nothing enforces it | 14:48 |
hashar | some projects just rely on priorities + assignements | 14:49 |
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ttx | mordred: the worst case is the security issue, since it triggers multiple projects and multiple branches | 14:49 |
mordred | yah | 14:49 |
ttx | basically if we use branch and project, they can't really list affected project/branches | 14:49 |
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mordred | ttx: intereting - looking at hashar's link above - it almost seems like each approved spec might want a project/tag | 14:49 |
mordred | like, if you look at this page: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/sprint/profile/1297/ | 14:50 |
hashar | I think we migrated a good six months ago. And at first we had no idea how to organize our tags / work boards. | 14:50 |
ttx | basically you want to be able to say "to solve this security issue we need to backport stuff to nova/kilo; nova/juno; glance/juno; horizon/master | 14:50 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: puppet/syntax: do not export FUTURE_PARSER when Puppet > 3 https://review.openstack.org/198382 | 14:51 |
hashar | but we can probably organize some chat with the folks in charge at WMF or some product manager that uses it daily | 14:51 |
ttx | you REALLY don't want the tool to help you make one fall in the cracks | 14:51 |
mordred | ttx: good point | 14:51 |
ttx | You could use the description and strike out stuff there, but that would be a bit of a fail | 14:51 |
ttx | you could create one subtask per backport and tag there | 14:51 |
fungi | yeah, i'm solidly -1 on semantically-significant description fields | 14:52 |
fungi | because nobody will get them right | 14:52 |
ttx | but then unless you force yourself to use words in description that duplicate the tags... it's nontrivial to see what is what from the parent task | 14:52 |
hashar | ttx: in this case you can have a task for each backporting activity. The parent task will have 'security-backport' and four sub tasks with labels (nova, kilo) (nova, juno), (glance, juno) (horizon,master). This way you can assign each sub tasks to appropriate people and they enter the projects triage column | 14:52 |
ttx | We /could/ patch Phab so that the "projects" are displayed on the depended-on tasklists | 14:52 |
fungi | hashar: i think the problem is being able to query those though | 14:53 |
hashar | or you can use checkboxes lists ( rather long example: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86659 ) | 14:53 |
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ttx | or at least the repo and branch "projects" | 14:53 |
hashar | fungi: yeah that depends what you need to see | 14:53 |
haypo | fungi, mordred : i summarized our discussion in https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1471243 - i will investigate the "mock atime in the unit test" option | 14:53 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1471243 in Glance "Test on the xattr image cache fails because of noatime" [Undecided,New] | 14:53 |
haypo | thanks | 14:53 |
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ttx | mordred: since I left the VMT I'm no longer the main consumer of this use case, happy to defer to fungi / tristanC and let them find an acceptable way to use Phab to track their tasks | 14:54 |
ttx | but I would hate if the switch made their lives more miserable | 14:54 |
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fungi | hashar: ideally we could have hierarchical tag-like structures, but i'm guessing we can work around it with flat tags | 14:54 |
ttx | Phab is supposed to introduce "parent projects" but it's still essentially flat structure | 14:55 |
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ttx | fungi: my patch ends up doing that: http://phabricator.disorder.xyz/T1 | 14:57 |
fungi | like, say i want a slice of open security vulnerability reports which need backports to stable/juno branches of any repo. i guess if each repo+branch is a project and we have metadata that splits those values, then we can do something like that without needing tags | 14:57 |
ttx | I use a "repository" custom field, and then the patch makes it display as a prefix in the task title | 14:58 |
ttx | useful to see at a glance from the parent task what repo is affected | 14:58 |
ttx | and what tasks are remaining | 14:58 |
fungi | nice domain btw ;) | 14:58 |
ttx | yeah, I might keep this one. Was a free .xyz I got | 14:59 |
ttx | so we could use kind of the same patch and display the "projects" there | 14:59 |
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tmorin | hi | 14:59 |
ttx | (like if they match repo or branch projects | 14:59 |
ttx | ) | 14:59 |
tmorin | Neutron jobs, at least on my project, seem broken | 15:00 |
tmorin | e.g. http://logs.openstack.org/89/198389/1/check/gate-networking-bgpvpn-pep8/8ce8006/console.html | 15:00 |
ttx | that way we don't really need to separate repo/branch from "projects" concept | 15:00 |
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tmorin | Running setup.py develop for neutron: [...] error in setup command: 'install_requires' [...] Expected version spec in pywin32;sys_platform=='win32' at ;sys_platform=='win32' | 15:00 |
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tmorin | anyone has an idea ? | 15:00 |
openstackgerrit | Derek Higgins proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Revert "temprevert heat : Add a new crypt method using cryptography" https://review.openstack.org/198392 | 15:00 |
tmorin | I guess this is not specific to my changes | 15:01 |
tmorin | any idea fungi ? anteaya ? | 15:02 |
fungi | tmorin: no, it's probably something unusual going on in your tox.ini that doesn't work with the newer requirements lists that contain environment markers. i'm seeing if i can spot any obvious offender | 15:03 |
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tmorin | fungi: thanks | 15:04 |
fungi | tmorin: i think it's likely related to the deps = -egit+https://git.openstack.org/openstack/neutron#egg=neutron | 15:04 |
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fungi | tmorin: oh, you have pbr>=0.6,!=0.7,<1.0 | 15:04 |
fungi | in your requirements.txt | 15:05 |
tmorin | fungi: ok | 15:05 |
fungi | tmorin: i think your requirements and test-requirements lists need updating as a first step | 15:05 |
fungi | i'll see if upping the pbr cap takes care of this | 15:06 |
tmorin | fungi: what is the typical correct requirement for pbr ? | 15:06 |
tmorin | fungi: thakns | 15:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Revert "temprevert heat : Add a new crypt method using cryptography" https://review.openstack.org/198392 | 15:08 |
tmorin | fungi: sorry for the dumb question: are you actually trying something, or suggesting me to up the pbr requirement and retry ? | 15:08 |
fungi | tmorin: look in the openstack/requirements repo's global-requirements.txt file | 15:08 |
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fungi | tmorin: aha, i think that error message ultimately means that the virtualenv in which tox is trying to `setup.py develop` that neutron git clone has a setuptools too old to grok the environment markers in neutron's requirements lists | 15:11 |
fungi | tmorin: but also having your jobs unconditionally git clone neutron over the network every time they run is fragile and could stand to be fixed | 15:12 |
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fungi | tmorin: anyway, i'm relatively convinced that updating the requirements in your repo to be more inline with what's in the global-requirements.txt will make this particular issue go away | 15:13 |
fungi | tmorin: also we have a job that can be added for that repo to automatically propose requirements updates to it, so you don't have to track the openstack/requirements repo and try to figure out changes by hand | 15:14 |
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tmorin | fungi: ok, I'll update the pbr requirement | 15:16 |
tmorin | fungi: for the neutron clone at each test, yes, it had occurred to me that this wasn't great -- is there a documented alternative ? | 15:17 |
tmorin | fungi: I can also look what other neutron-related projects are doing | 15:17 |
tmorin | fungi: interested to have more information on the job to check requirements | 15:18 |
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fungi | tmorin: i think some of the other neutron subprojects are solving it by optionally using zuul-cloner to take advantage of a local git cache when available | 15:18 |
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fungi | i'm hunting down an example now | 15:19 |
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fungi | tmorin: look in openstack/neutron-lbaas | 15:19 |
fungi | tmorin: you'll see in their tox.ini they use an install_command which is a wrapper script around pip | 15:20 |
fungi | tmorin: and if you have a peek in that tools/tox_install.sh wrapper they're using, you'll see if will use zuul-cloner to clone from a local cache if available, or else will clone over the network like before | 15:21 |
fungi | specifically for installing their neutron dependency from source | 15:22 |
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fungi | tmorin: dougwig may be able to answer additional questions about that solution | 15:22 |
fungi | tmorin: as for the requirements sync proposal job, you turn it on for your repo by adding a line to the projects.txt file in the openstack/requirements repo | 15:23 |
tmorin | fungi: thanks, I'm now looking into mimicing that | 15:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Darragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Replace open() with io.open() and force 'utf-8' https://review.openstack.org/183488 | 15:31 |
anteaya | markus_z: thank you for following up on that, glad they finally understand | 15:31 |
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anteaya | dtantsur: yes, that was my expectation that you should be included in that group | 15:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Darragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Wrap file objects with codecs to handle unicode https://review.openstack.org/183939 | 15:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Upgrade virtualenv to 13.1.0 https://review.openstack.org/198409 | 15:35 |
fungi | lifeless: mordred: jeblair_: clarkb: ^ | 15:35 |
dtantsur | anteaya, it's fixed now anyway, sorry for disturbing :) | 15:36 |
anteaya | dtantsur: yes I see, not a disturbance, happy you are all set | 15:36 |
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tmorin | fungi: thanks a lot for your help | 15:36 |
openstackgerrit | Thomas Morin proposed openstack/requirements: Add networking-bgpvpn to projects.txt https://review.openstack.org/198411 | 15:36 |
tmorin | the pbr fix seems to have solved the first problem | 15:37 |
fungi | tmorin: you're welcome | 15:37 |
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tmorin | fungi: one last question, my requirements change does not seem to merge, despite a workflow+1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198399/ | 15:40 |
tmorin | fungi: is this because some jenkins jobs are failing, or shall I just be a bit more patient ? | 15:40 |
fungi | tmorin: it's failing gate-networking-bgpvpn-python27 | 15:41 |
tmorin | fungi: yes, for a reason totally unrelated to pbr etc, the failure is due to a change in Neutron that breaks our project | 15:42 |
tmorin | fungi: a fix for that is in another change, that change can't pass either because of the pbr issue | 15:42 |
fungi | tmorin: you'll need to squash the two patches into one change | 15:42 |
tmorin | fungi: shall I do change that depend on one another ? | 15:42 |
tmorin | fungi: ok | 15:42 |
fungi | tmorin: just update the larger change to also include your requirements update | 15:42 |
fungi | and then abandon the separate requirements update change | 15:43 |
tmorin | fungi: ok, that looks simple | 15:43 |
tmorin | fungi: out of curiosity, is this the only way, or would there be a cleaner way if I wanted to keep all those patches separated | 15:43 |
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fungi | tmorin: not really, no. each pass needs to be able to pass all voting jobs on its own to merge. this is a safety to prevent you from merging a broken change (from the perspective of your jobs) and then fixing it in a later change, which means that your repository is in a broken state between the two. makes git bisect a lot easier when you can expect jobs to pass | 15:45 |
fungi | er, each patch nees to be able to pass | 15:45 |
fungi | needs | 15:45 |
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fungi | i'll stop trying to type now ;) | 15:45 |
tmorin | fungi: ok, doing changes dependent of one another would not work in that case ? | 15:46 |
fungi | tmorin: nope. the second change would be passing all jobs, but could never merge because its parent can't pass all the same jobs | 15:47 |
tmorin | fungi: yes, makes sense | 15:47 |
tmorin | fungi: thanks again for your support and clear explanations | 15:48 |
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fungi | tmorin: glad i could help. also the current situation is unfortunate but hopefully solved soonish. your repo is depending on internal details of neutron that aren't meant to be a stable interface, so once they actually get further in their libification and are able to expose an interface with more guarantees around stability it should get better | 15:49 |
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anteaya | maybe he'll read it in the logs | 15:49 |
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openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add elements for Infra servers https://review.openstack.org/140840 | 16:00 |
openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Express nodepool base's dependency on puppet https://review.openstack.org/198416 | 16:00 |
openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Split puppet installation into its own element https://review.openstack.org/198417 | 16:00 |
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mordred | fungi: so - it seems that EmilienM's patch from earlier may have accidentally applied to system-config as well | 16:02 |
pelix | zaro: re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179455/4/jenkins_jobs/cmd.py I'm happy to switch it to raising an exception instead of just logging warnings | 16:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Restrict stable branches approval on ironic-inspector https://review.openstack.org/198030 | 16:03 |
fungi | mordred: which one was that? | 16:03 |
mordred | fungi: the solution would be to land a change to exclude system-config from using the puppet unit tests - or to land a Gemfile that implements a unit tests target | 16:03 |
mordred | fungi: the one that reworked puppet unittests | 16:03 |
fungi | did i review that? looking | 16:04 |
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mordred | fungi: I think it was just me and AJaeger_ | 16:04 |
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fungi | thanks! found it i think... 197216? | 16:05 |
mordred | fungi: yah | 16:05 |
mordred | fungi: patch coming to fix at the jjb level real quick | 16:06 |
fungi | oh, great. you're ahead of me then | 16:06 |
fungi | ready to review | 16:06 |
fungi | i think he asked me to review that stack, but i did not find sufficient time to do so | 16:07 |
fungi | fbo-: http://techs.enovance.com/7542/dive-into-zuul-gated-commit-system-2 is awesome | 16:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Use old puppet syntax job on system-config https://review.openstack.org/198419 | 16:08 |
mordred | fungi: ^^ | 16:08 |
mordred | fungi, EmilienM, crinkle: I have a hunch this will have broken all of infra's puppet module repos as we used the old puppet-syntax zuul macro for them | 16:09 |
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fbo- | fungi, thanks ! I'm glad you liked it. | 16:12 |
fungi | mordred: it doesn't look like we're using the puppet-syntax template for them in layout.yaml, so we might be okat there? | 16:12 |
fungi | er, okay | 16:12 |
openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Use old puppet syntax job on system-config https://review.openstack.org/198419 | 16:13 |
mordred | fungi: nope | 16:13 |
fungi | oh, yeah you're right. different template, same job | 16:13 |
mordred | fungi: I think that should get everything | 16:13 |
mordred | and then as crinkle gets the infra modules aligned with the puppet testing interface, we can remove the infra specialness there | 16:14 |
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fungi | yeah, lgtm | 16:14 |
fungi | and luckily project-config is split out now, so no puppet syntax job | 16:15 |
mordred | :) | 16:15 |
fungi | which means we don't have to manually submit the fix to merge | 16:15 |
mordred | AJaeger_: ^^ when you get a sec | 16:15 |
mordred | fungi: I love it when we don't need to manually submit the fix to merge | 16:16 |
fungi | as soon as the jobs look like they're passing, i'm fine approving it | 16:16 |
mordred | kk | 16:16 |
mordred | fungi: I noticed because I went to review your patch and it had failed those jobs :) | 16:16 |
fungi | we just need a precise node allocated and we'll have a completion estimate | 16:16 |
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fungi | there ut goes | 16:17 |
fungi | it | 16:17 |
fungi | jeblair_: in case you haven't seen fbo-'s article from wednesday, http://techs.enovance.com/7542/dive-into-zuul-gated-commit-system-2 | 16:18 |
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fungi | mordred: "Job gate-puppet-XXX-puppet-syntax not defined" http://logs.openstack.org/19/198419/2/check/gate-project-config-layout/7ecf6d4/console.html#_2015-07-03_16_20_12_522 | 16:22 |
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reazem_ | Can anyone tell me whats up with that? http://logs.openstack.org/43/198343/2/check/gate-python-surveilclient-python34/3d8d194/ | 16:24 |
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fungi | reazem_: "2015-07-03 15:29:36.135 | Build timed out (after 40 minutes). Marking the build as failed." http://logs.openstack.org/43/198343/2/check/gate-python-surveilclient-python34/3d8d194/console.html#_2015-07-03_15_29_36_135 | 16:25 |
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reazem_ | fungi: Is is timing out during install? | 16:26 |
reazem_ | Or during tests? | 16:26 |
reazem_ | Because tests work fine on my machine. | 16:26 |
fungi | reazem_: the line before that says "running testr" so that's during your tests. maybe a race-related livelock/deadlock | 16:27 |
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fungi | reazem_: try running with PYTHONHASHSEED='243291355' in case it's a hash-order-dependent bug | 16:27 |
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fungi | reazem_: also your -python27 job failed on the same change, but hit socket connection issues. could be a related bug manifesting in two different ways depending on the python interpreter version's behavior | 16:29 |
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fungi | mordred: are you working on an update to 198419 or need someone else to jump in and pick it up? | 16:31 |
mordred | fungi: oh piddle | 16:31 |
mordred | yeah | 16:31 |
mordred | I'm on it | 16:31 |
fungi | ahh, good, you're still here ;) | 16:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Use old puppet syntax job on system-config https://review.openstack.org/198419 | 16:33 |
mordred | fungi: there yah go | 16:33 |
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rcarrillocruz | helo helo | 16:39 |
rcarrillocruz | mordred: hiya, you around or took the day off , 4th July etc? | 16:39 |
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fungi | rcarrillocruz: he seems to be at least semi-around | 16:42 |
rcarrillocruz | looking for someone who's been playing with infra cloud | 16:42 |
rcarrillocruz | using bifrost on gozer and getting some error on kernel while booting, wondering if someone else also got that | 16:42 |
fungi | mordred: yep, i've manually run the zuul tox env for that last patchset and get "Job gate-puppet-syntax not defined" | 16:43 |
fungi | rcarrillocruz: maybe SpamapS or greghaynes? | 16:43 |
rcarrillocruz | good, thx, i'll ping them in a bit | 16:43 |
anteaya | or TheJulia? | 16:44 |
fungi | ahh, yup | 16:44 |
fungi | mordred: looks like it should be gate-system-config-puppet-syntax in layout.yaml now. i'm retesting now to confirm | 16:46 |
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ttx | fungi: here is how an OSSA could look: http://phabricator.disorder.xyz/T1 -- it's actually less crazy than the backport case (where you have to create a task *depending* on the current one) | 16:46 |
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ttx | still think that would be more usable with "projects" being displayed next to "Blocked by" items | 16:47 |
ttx | rather than having to come up with prose that matches the projects set | 16:47 |
rcarrillocruz | anteaya: indeed, pinged her on ironic channel but seems she's off today | 16:48 |
rcarrillocruz | understandable being a bank holiday :-) | 16:48 |
openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Use old puppet syntax job on system-config https://review.openstack.org/198419 | 16:48 |
fungi | mordred: ^ that worked for me | 16:48 |
anteaya | rcarrillocruz: cool | 16:48 |
mordred | fungi: yay! | 16:49 |
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fungi | ttx: neat! | 16:50 |
ttx | mordred: there seems to be no way to create a depending task (instead of a blocking one). Use case: you're on a bug and want to track a kilo backport for it. The kilo backport is not supposed to be completed until the master patch is in | 16:50 |
ttx | so instead of "create subtask" you'd want "create parent task" | 16:50 |
fungi | ttx: you can't say that the kilo backport is blocked by the master task? | 16:50 |
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ttx | fungi: you can but you ned to create B and then edit blocking tasks to add A | 16:51 |
fungi | oh | 16:51 |
fungi | that seems like effort ;) | 16:52 |
rcarrillocruz | anyway, i figured | 16:52 |
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rcarrillocruz | intel_iommu=off on ipxe config fixed the issue i had booting | 16:53 |
ttx | fungi: err, actually can't | 16:53 |
ttx | must be missing something | 16:54 |
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fungi | ttx: yeah, i can't seem to add one subtask as a blocking another subtask | 16:54 |
SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: I'm not going to be looking at IRC much today. now would be the only time really. | 16:56 |
SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: do your gozer servers have mellanox cards? ;) | 16:57 |
ttx | fungi: in theory this is done through "edit blocking tasks" in the aprent task once created. Search can't find things but that may be because I didn't generate fulltext indexes yet | 16:57 |
fungi | ttx: oh! t5 | 16:57 |
fungi | or similar | 16:57 |
ttx | still, two steps kinda sucks | 16:57 |
fungi | it seems to at least be indexed on tNNN | 16:57 |
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fungi | ttx: i now have a juno backport (t8) blocking the main task (t1) and blocked by a master fix task (t5) | 16:58 |
rcarrillocruz | SpamapS: not sure, i'd have to look | 16:58 |
rcarrillocruz | i had an issue booting off the coreos kernel | 16:58 |
mordred | rcarrillocruz: what uses coreos? | 16:58 |
rcarrillocruz | i was getting a flood of message DMAR pte write access is not set boot" | 16:58 |
fungi | i first read that as "oreos kernel" | 16:58 |
rcarrillocruz | bifrost | 16:58 |
rcarrillocruz | the rd | 16:58 |
mordred | oh. how weird ... OH - because of the ironic agent right? | 16:59 |
rcarrillocruz | i fixed by passing the intel_iommu=off param to the pxelinux cfg | 16:59 |
mordred | cool | 16:59 |
rcarrillocruz | mordred: i think so yeah | 16:59 |
rcarrillocruz | how's the network layout of your infra cloud | 16:59 |
rcarrillocruz | do you folks have a management network | 16:59 |
ttx | fungi: ack | 16:59 |
rcarrillocruz | and a provisioning network? | 16:59 |
fungi | ttx: i think we can work with this, however it could stand some shortcuts to make the workflow more convenient | 16:59 |
mordred | rcarrillocruz: nope - just a public network and a provisioning network | 17:00 |
fungi | ttx: also it needs a curses-based api client ;) | 17:00 |
rcarrillocruz | and from your ironic conductor you have access to the iLO network I assume? | 17:00 |
mordred | yes | 17:00 |
rcarrillocruz | to do ipmi power on commands etc | 17:00 |
rcarrillocruz | cool | 17:00 |
rcarrillocruz | i had to do some network things on my side | 17:00 |
mordred | we have 2 nodes in each DC that have routeable access to the iLO network | 17:00 |
rcarrillocruz | didn't have access to that on our servers :/ | 17:00 |
rcarrillocruz | ZOMG | 17:01 |
mordred | yah. it's kind of importand to have that | 17:01 |
rcarrillocruz | I JUST INSTALLED THE SERVER WITH IRONIC | 17:01 |
mordred | rcarrillocruz: WOOT! | 17:01 |
rcarrillocruz | UBUNTU 14.04! | 17:01 |
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mordred | rcarrillocruz: nicely done!!! | 17:01 |
rcarrillocruz | TheJulia: how awesome is your stuff | 17:01 |
rcarrillocruz | wootz | 17:01 |
rcarrillocruz | pretty much zero customization i needed to do | 17:01 |
rcarrillocruz | srsly | 17:01 |
fungi | jeblair_: if we decide maniphest needs a console ui, the name "mephisto" is available on pypi ;) | 17:01 |
mordred | heh | 17:02 |
SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: I'm jealous. TheJulia had to patch the hell out of the ipxe stuff because of our weird mellanox cards. ;) | 17:02 |
rcarrillocruz | haha | 17:02 |
rcarrillocruz | then that means i do not have those mellanox cards :P | 17:02 |
SpamapS | fungi: I like maniphestty | 17:03 |
mordred | SpamapS: hopefully soon we won't have mellanox cards either | 17:03 |
SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: yeah you probably have sane intel cards. | 17:03 |
fungi | SpamapS: ooh! yep | 17:03 |
nibalizer | maniphestty sounds ike something for the suite of *tty | 17:03 |
fungi | it does indeed | 17:03 |
nibalizer | ideally we'd make it generic enough that a lot of it could be reused in the gozer-maintained jiratty | 17:03 |
mordred | gross | 17:04 |
fungi | projects for ttypists | 17:04 |
nibalizer | fungi: bahahahaha | 17:04 |
mordred | fungi: ++ | 17:04 |
fungi | the ttypist brigade | 17:05 |
SpamapS | jiratty sounds like an australian martial art that involves clicking a lot. | 17:05 |
SpamapS | ttypistas is the proper name | 17:05 |
fungi | SpamapS: and the ultimate finishing move, "headdesk" | 17:06 |
SpamapS | fungi: 60% of the time it works, every time. | 17:06 |
ttx | OMG it's past beer o'clock what am I doing here | 17:06 |
SpamapS | same.. I don't know why I'm on IRC | 17:06 |
SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: good luck | 17:06 |
fungi | ttx: go celebrate teh independence of my foul nation by drinking french wine and swearing | 17:06 |
SpamapS | yeah, pour one out for Lafayette | 17:06 |
ttx | To Lafayette! | 17:07 |
rcarrillocruz | thx, need to dig a bit more, network does not seem to be set up | 17:07 |
rcarrillocruz | the ubuntu DIB image, does it have any user/pass by default? | 17:07 |
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SpamapS | "but honey, I WANT TO GO TO WORK" | 17:07 |
mordred | rcarrillocruz: nope | 17:08 |
fungi | SpamapS: it helps to stop referring to it as "work" | 17:08 |
mordred | rcarrillocruz: in the infra elements, we bake in an ssh key | 17:08 |
mordred | rcarrillocruz: are you using ubuntu + cloud-init or ubuntu-minimal + glean? (I recommend the second) | 17:08 |
rcarrillocruz | haven't touched anything of that, so whatever is default on bifrost repo | 17:08 |
mordred | rcarrillocruz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140840/ | 17:09 |
mordred | rcarrillocruz: you may want to look at the infra element there | 17:09 |
rcarrillocruz | cool , thx | 17:09 |
mordred | rcarrillocruz: it injects the infra ansible ssh key, allows root login on that key - and is generally designed with ubuntu-minimal/glean in mind | 17:10 |
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rcarrillocruz | thing is boot went fast, dunno if the server got any NIC configured | 17:10 |
rcarrillocruz | thankfully i recorded the ssion on the iLO client | 17:10 |
rcarrillocruz | i'll look slowly output | 17:10 |
fungi | oh, hey, it also no longer sets the root password to "foobar"! ;) | 17:11 |
SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: bifrost should be pulling in ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | 17:11 |
rcarrillocruz | yep, cos i had to ssh-keygen on the conductor | 17:11 |
rcarrillocruz | otherwise the deploy would fail | 17:11 |
rcarrillocruz | need to know the IP it got :( | 17:11 |
SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: with bifrost, and the agent, you end up getting a configdrive. | 17:12 |
SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: which will have the key in it, which should be installed under the ubuntu user. | 17:12 |
SpamapS | because some of us believe it's fairly weird to _not_ use sudo. :-P | 17:12 |
nibalizer | rcarrillocruz: oh are we bifrosting? neat! | 17:13 |
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rcarrillocruz | yup | 17:15 |
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rcarrillocruz | oh | 17:16 |
rcarrillocruz | i see what the problem is | 17:16 |
rcarrillocruz | in the inventory | 17:16 |
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rcarrillocruz | i set the mac address of the prov NIC card | 17:16 |
rcarrillocruz | which is in a different VLAN | 17:16 |
rcarrillocruz | i'm mixing up NICs | 17:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Use old puppet syntax job on system-config https://review.openstack.org/198419 | 17:20 |
fungi | mordred: ^ | 17:20 |
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mordred | fungi: \o/ | 17:24 |
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mordred | SpamapS, rcarrillocruz: it should NOT be under the ubuntu user | 17:25 |
mordred | because that is divergent and bad experience once there is more than one OS | 17:25 |
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mordred | if we decided collectively that we want to do sudo users (which I'm fine with) we should really pick a user that is not named after a distro | 17:25 |
mordred | and make it | 17:26 |
mordred | and use it | 17:26 |
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pelix | any other Core Reviewer around to review a change for JJB? https://review.openstack.org/181542 | 17:40 |
pelix | also https://review.openstack.org/181541 | 17:40 |
fungi | pelix: oh wow, we weren't testing that? | 17:40 |
pelix | nope | 17:41 |
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clarkb | fungi o/ I should be around to do db things | 17:41 |
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pelix | fungi: was hit previously when the the parallel patch landed initially, which is when we realised it wasn't being exercised at all | 17:41 |
fungi | clarkb: all's the better. welcome back to our (virtual) reality | 17:42 |
fungi | pelix: yep, i remember the bug. i guess that's how it snuck in | 17:42 |
pelix | both above changes only impact tests, so safe to add just before the weekend ;) | 17:43 |
clarkb | mordred "root" | 17:43 |
fungi | clarkb: if all goes well, in another hour or so we should have bindep installed and pre-caching distro packages on all our dib nodepool images. the last of my changes landed for that this morning before image updates started | 17:44 |
clarkb | fungi awesome | 17:44 |
fungi | clarkb: also the old-timer in me thinks sudo should use the wheel group like su does (or used to in real unix anyway) | 17:44 |
mordred | clarkb: SpamapS' argument is that non-root use with sudo is good for logging | 17:45 |
crinkle | nibalizer: made some changes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190839 | 17:45 |
mordred | clarkb: as opposed to shelling directly into the root user | 17:45 |
clarkb | mordred which is only true if interacting as a human | 17:45 |
mordred | I don't care - so I'd be happy to have an ansible user or a wheel user or an admin user or whatever that had full passwordless sudo | 17:45 |
clarkb | mordred which we each have accounts for | 17:45 |
fungi | mordred: clarkb: SpamapS: having the root user run sudo also logs stuff. also having one generic non-root account and using that to sudo isn't much of an improvement | 17:46 |
clarkb | everything automated is already logged via puppet/ansible/etc | 17:46 |
fungi | if we really care about audit logging for interactive root sessions, there are also mechanisms for that | 17:46 |
mordred | sure. I'm just saying - I'm fine with root, and not-root doesn't bother me much | 17:47 |
mordred | just for the love of all that is holy "ubuntu" is a terrible username | 17:47 |
clarkb | +1 | 17:48 |
mordred | past that, I truly believe it's six-in-one/half-a-dozen-in-the-other | 17:48 |
mordred | and would not block work to make a sudo enabled admin user | 17:48 |
anteaya | ha ha ha | 17:48 |
mordred | if that makes someone happy | 17:48 |
anteaya | ubuntu is a terrible username | 17:48 |
nibalizer | crinkle: doooood this is getting sweet | 17:48 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Test update command with --delete-old option https://review.openstack.org/181542 | 17:49 |
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fungi | if we really want an initial account which is not root, i vote for "notroot" or maybe the ever classic "toor" | 17:50 |
fungi | </bikeshed> | 17:50 |
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mordred | fungi: I think the argument is not for an initial account | 17:50 |
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mordred | fungi: I think it's an argument that the user ansible uses to do things shoudl be not-root | 17:50 |
mordred | fungi: and taht we should configure ansible to run things through sudo | 17:50 |
fungi | though when i had "toor" accounts they were usually for alternate uid=0 usage, not for uid>0 | 17:51 |
clarkb | mordred wait but ehy? ansible already logs everything? | 17:51 |
clarkb | so of the argument is for logging I dont get it | 17:51 |
fungi | mordred: so an "ansi-bill" user who ansible logs in as and then does all root-needing things by calling sudo? | 17:52 |
mordred | fungi: yes | 17:52 |
clarkb | I suppose if you dont trust ansible you do that but if you dont trust ansible then its tine to open a bier garten | 17:52 |
fungi | i don't entirely object, but i am on clarkb's side of the preference yard | 17:52 |
mordred | clarkb: I think it's the "remote root login is a bad pattern" - and to be fair, we had it disabled on all of our servers before we added ansible puppet running | 17:52 |
mordred | but - I also have convinced myself that I'm fine with it | 17:53 |
mordred | for the reason that clarkb just said | 17:53 |
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fungi | to be clear, i'm for opening a bier garten | 17:53 |
TheJulia | rcarrillocruz: awesome to hear! | 17:53 |
mordred | otoh - we know what we're doing - and in a world where other people blindly copy things we've done, we might be setting a bad example for people in terms of opening up a config setting on their server that they probably should not open | 17:53 |
fungi | trust or no | 17:53 |
mordred | fungi: ++ | 17:53 |
mordred | MOAR BIER | 17:54 |
TheJulia | mordred: ++ | 17:54 |
clarkb | I am sad I wobt have any home brew ready for oscon | 17:55 |
clarkb | ebabies | 17:55 |
mordred | clarkb: are they going to start making beer? | 17:56 |
fungi | i'm guessing they lack the necessary strength and hand-eye coordination for at least a couple of earth years | 17:56 |
mordred | bah | 17:57 |
fungi | in the meantime, portland isn't exactly short on beer, so i think we'll manage when there on visits at least | 17:57 |
anteaya | I hear they are growing at a good pace | 17:57 |
clarkb | ya plenty of tasty beer to be found | 17:57 |
anteaya | the babies that is | 17:57 |
nibalizer | can confirm pdx beer supplies are not low | 17:58 |
openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci: Add beaker boilerplate to openstackci https://review.openstack.org/184891 | 17:59 |
openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci: Update spec helper for zuul-cloner https://review.openstack.org/184905 | 17:59 |
fungi | not like great the beer shortage of 2012. those were dark, dark times | 18:00 |
anteaya | was that the hops problem? | 18:00 |
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TheJulia | rcarrillocruz: fwiw, I've used the devuser element to get a user into my local testing images for when the network does not work as expected. It works fairly well, but you have to set the env var for ansible to pass through to set the password :( | 18:00 |
fungi | i hear the entire northwest fell into chaos and ruin, ruled by tyrannical warlords bent on destruction and mayhem | 18:01 |
fungi | or maybe that was just eugene | 18:01 |
* TheJulia is fairly sure things are the status quo in the southeast US right now... | 18:01 | |
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clarkb | if this heat wave doesnt go away we may see this repeated | 18:03 |
mordred | it's pleasant in NYC | 18:04 |
mordred | warm enough to be summer, not so warm I sweat a ton | 18:04 |
clarkb | 10 day forecast says its another week of >90F days | 18:04 |
fungi | the forecast here is tourists, traffic, and more tourists. oh also sharks | 18:05 |
docaedo | There was a beer shortage in 2012? That sounds terrifying. | 18:06 |
openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci: Update spec helper for zuul-cloner https://review.openstack.org/184905 | 18:07 |
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mordred | fungi: you have so many sharks | 18:08 |
clarkb | "spec" is officialyy too overloaded | 18:08 |
TheJulia | fungi: Perhaps the sharks can be convinced to leave the coastal area? | 18:09 |
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* TheJulia saw the photos from above one of the piers in NC from two weeks ago... and WOW | 18:10 | |
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fungi | TheJulia: yeah, they're becoming pests this season. seems there's a lot of rays and other food sources frequenting the shoreline this year | 18:12 |
reazem_ | fungi: Ha! I got it. I didn't read the logs properly, it was an actual mistake on the tests. | 18:13 |
reazem_ | thanks :) | 18:13 |
fungi | unsurprisingly, but somewhat to my disappointment, tourists are not their natural diet. they would rather eat other less filthy/toxic things | 18:14 |
fungi | like mercury-laden fish | 18:14 |
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TheJulia | fungi: I take it your out towards the coast? :) | 18:16 |
fungi | TheJulia: yeah, about 0.5 miles walk to the atlantic and 0.5 miles walk to the sound. though as of next friday i'll have a house 0.9 miles walk to the atlantic and 50 paces from the sound | 18:17 |
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TheJulia | Awesome | 18:18 |
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fungi | assuming no last minute surprises between now and closing | 18:19 |
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fungi | hrm, maybe more like 20 paces from the sound. i'm terrible with distances. anyway close enough that i can pitch oyster shells from my porch into the water | 18:21 |
TheJulia | very nice | 18:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Script to install modules during integration https://review.openstack.org/198442 | 18:22 |
fungi | it will be. it's in good enough shape right now, but still needs some updating before it'll be the way we want | 18:22 |
clarkb | as a friendly reminder etherpad lite db udpate process can be found at https://etherpad-dev.openstack.org/p/eplite-db-updates (hosted on the dev server since we are working on the prod service) | 18:22 |
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clarkb | fungi: still no update on the issue with pad not working, you indicated we should go ahead with the conversion since its not lossy and prevents entire server from dying? | 18:23 |
openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci: Update spec helper for zuul-cloner https://review.openstack.org/184905 | 18:23 |
clarkb | I am on board with that | 18:23 |
clarkb | mordred: ^ do you have an opinion? | 18:23 |
fungi | clarkb: yeah, i think we should just take it all the way to 4-byte compliant, regardless | 18:23 |
TheJulia | fungi: The home improvement projects only end with the sale of the property. :) | 18:23 |
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clarkb | can I get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197358/ merged real quick? | 18:24 |
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clarkb | just realized that hadn't merged yet and will make sure we have consistent versions of the service across servers | 18:24 |
fungi | TheJulia: too true! it's not like we plan to live in it forever anyway. already have our sights set on moving to the caribbean in ~10 years | 18:25 |
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TheJulia | fungi: cool, for us, we're thinking someplace a little cooler in the summer, but one never knows :) | 18:31 |
fungi | the caribbean is actually more pleasant than eastern nc, temperature wise. sure it's in the tropics, but the trade winds keep it tolerably comfortable | 18:31 |
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fungi | no 100+f heat waves | 18:32 |
clarkb | fungi: thanks for the approval on that chnage | 18:32 |
fungi | though the labrador coast would be pretty awesome too if you don't mind cooler weather | 18:32 |
clarkb | its funny because looking at houses in portland you discover its cheaper to live on the coast and during a 3 week heat wave that becomes very tempting | 18:33 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Bump etherpad version to version running on -dev https://review.openstack.org/197358 | 18:33 |
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fungi | yeah, until i looked at a map i didn't realize quite how far inland portland really is | 18:34 |
fungi | your portland anyway | 18:34 |
clarkb | about 65 miles | 18:34 |
fungi | the one at the other end is really right on the water | 18:34 |
fungi | i quite like portland maine. vacationed there a few times | 18:34 |
fungi | remarkably comvenient from boston | 18:34 |
fungi | convenient too | 18:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Rename pypi_slave class to release_slave https://review.openstack.org/198444 | 18:39 |
openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add release.slave.openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/198445 | 18:39 |
openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add proposal and release workers to cacti https://review.openstack.org/198446 | 18:39 |
openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Clean up old pypi job worker configuration https://review.openstack.org/198447 | 18:39 |
openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Switch jobs from old pypi to new release worker https://review.openstack.org/198448 | 18:40 |
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fungi | krotscheck: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:upload-worker,n,z is the set of changes to get us an ubuntu trusty based upload worker for your npm needs | 18:43 |
fungi | i've temporarily wip'd the ones which shouldn't get approved until i launch the actual instance for it | 18:43 |
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clarkb | fungi: stack lgtm | 18:44 |
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clarkb | adding to jenkins is a manual step :/ but we only have to do that once every couple cycles | 18:45 |
fungi | yep. also the label change is now safe. i've added the new label to the old worker. i'll swap the labels around on jenkins.openstack.org to make the change happen when we're ready since it'll take effect a lot faster | 18:46 |
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fungi | i'll make the actual cut-over early next week, rather than heading into a weekend | 18:49 |
fungi | just so that i'm able to better be on hand to work through any issues that might arise | 18:49 |
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fungi | t minus 10 minutes to etherpad outage | 18:50 |
clarkb | I will be stopping puppet, etherpad-lite and apache on etherpad.openstack.org at 1900, then will do db dump, restore, conversion and run puppet with new hiera value | 18:50 |
fungi | clarkb: also not something to approve on a weekend, but https://review.openstack.org/198409 should probably happen sometime in the coming week | 18:51 |
clarkb | whats with the syntax job? | 18:52 |
fungi | clarkb: bleed-over from the openstack-puppet job refactoring work | 18:52 |
clarkb | fungi: and is there a stack of fixes for the constraints update jobs I can look at? | 18:52 |
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clarkb | lifeless thought you had proposed a stack and I can probably find them if I dug around :) | 18:53 |
fungi | clarkb: hrm, i think lifeless still needed to iterate on https://review.openstack.org/198186 unless someone beats him to fixing whatever's wrong there | 18:53 |
fungi | clarkb: and then https://review.openstack.org/198188 is a fix in devstack depending on that stack | 18:54 |
clarkb | well the constraints update jobs look like they don't even get git set up correctly? | 18:54 |
clarkb | they run but arne't doing much | 18:54 |
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fungi | clarkb: oh, those. they're less critical at the moment, though i think they'll get further with https://review.openstack.org/198120 when they run again tomorrow | 18:55 |
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clarkb | cool | 18:56 |
fungi | i figured it was easier to drop back and punt with the older branch-git-prep builder than to fiddle puppeting a zuul-env onto the proposal worker | 18:56 |
rcarrillocruz | mordred: agree, i'm very annoyed of checking distro platforms on my centos/ubuntu playbooks to do stuff on /home/ubuntu or /home/centos, depending on what is run | 18:56 |
rcarrillocruz | i'd vote to have 'stack' user | 18:56 |
rcarrillocruz | and that it | 18:56 |
clarkb | mordred: sdake_ so does the shade stuff in ansible not work with ansible < 2.0? I am confused | 18:57 |
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fungi | clarkb: though i still intend to use zuul-cloner in my revamped bindep'ing tox-based jobs | 18:57 |
clarkb | rcarrillocruz: but what if I use aws should we also have an elastic user? | 18:57 |
fungi | so i kept the builder macro for now | 18:57 |
clarkb | maybe azure and engineer too? | 18:57 |
rcarrillocruz | clarkb: i'd be disappointed if we ever use aws :D | 18:58 |
clarkb | rcarrillocruz: sure but my point is that "stack" is just as bad as "ubuntu" | 18:58 |
rcarrillocruz | it's not, we have a user that is common to all images | 18:58 |
fungi | this is why i think that if we have to have a non-root default user, "toor" is a great nod to antiquity | 18:58 |
rcarrillocruz | i think 'stack' is better than having 'ubuntu' on a centos image | 18:59 |
clarkb | rcarrillocruz: its better until someone tries to deploy on not openstack | 18:59 |
clarkb | rcarrillocruz: and we know people do this | 18:59 |
fungi | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toor_(Unix) | 18:59 |
fungi | wikipedia remembers all! | 18:59 |
clarkb | ok its 1900 by my watch stopping services now | 19:00 |
fungi | yep, time to break stuff clarkb | 19:00 |
fungi | shall i #status while you do the things? | 19:00 |
clarkb | fungi: sure | 19:01 |
fungi | #status alert etherpad.openstack.org is offline for scheduled database maintenance, ETA 19:30 UTC | 19:01 |
openstackstatus | fungi: sending alert | 19:01 |
clarkb | db backup is in progress now | 19:02 |
fungi | heh, i've rotated my ssh key since the last time puppet ran on here | 19:02 |
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fungi | good thing it was a prophylactic key rotation and not a compromise | 19:03 |
clarkb | fungi: want me to manually update a authorized_keys file? | 19:03 |
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fungi | nope, i have my old key on hand still, just at a different filename | 19:03 |
fungi | i was able to get in fine | 19:03 |
clarkb | cool | 19:03 |
* fungi is quite used to the key rotation dance | 19:04 | |
clarkb | I should rotate keys too | 19:04 |
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fungi | i actually use a non-default key for openstack systems and have a shell alias i use to hand it to ssh -i | 19:04 |
fungi | helps me separate contexts better | 19:04 |
clarkb | this db dump is slow | 19:05 |
fungi | and also means i can rotate my openstack ssh keys independently of other ssh keys | 19:05 |
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openstackstatus | fungi: finished sending alert | 19:05 |
fungi | clarkb: oh, we meant to make the new one bigger | 19:06 |
fungi | want me to increase it before you load? | 19:06 |
clarkb | fungi: yes please | 19:06 |
fungi | 10gb good? that'll put us around 50% used | 19:06 |
clarkb | iirc the cost per gb is low maybe go to 20GB? | 19:07 |
fungi | you got it. resizing underway | 19:07 |
clarkb | let me know when that is done and I will start a restore into that host | 19:07 |
fungi | yep, i'm staring at it intently | 19:07 |
fungi | it's a pity. none of our rackspace ubuntu-trusty uploads worked but all the hpcloud ones did. it's sort of amusing that uploading from a rackspace cloudserver to rackspace cloudfiles in the same region is flakier than doing it over the internet and into hpcloud | 19:09 |
clarkb | fungi: I think that is a function of vhd size vs qcow2 size | 19:09 |
clarkb | copying 15GB reliably is hard? | 19:09 |
fungi | oh, this is likely true. the qcow2 is ~5gib but i should check the vhd size | 19:09 |
greghaynes | also the many uploads simultaneously because were splitting the image | 19:09 |
fungi | n chunks means you multiply the potential for failure by n | 19:10 |
openstackgerrit | Merged stackforge/python-jenkins: fix passing of byte object to url request method https://review.openstack.org/197752 | 19:10 |
greghaynes | yep, and I think the chunks happen in parallel, so I wonder if were getting wierd behavior when we saturate the link | 19:10 |
clarkb | maybe we can force it to use N=1 | 19:11 |
clarkb | or rather uploads = 1 | 19:11 |
clarkb | since swift requires chunked objects for large object support | 19:11 |
fungi | or whether we're slamming cloudfiles too hard ;) | 19:11 |
fungi | clarkb: the resize is still underway | 19:11 |
clarkb | kk | 19:12 |
notmyname | in my testing, HP's swift clusters are *much* faster than rackspace's | 19:12 |
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greghaynes | were doing glance in hp | 19:12 |
fungi | notmyname: well, we're also not uploading to swift in hpcloud because they're glance v1 | 19:12 |
fungi | notmyname: but also we're uploading a couple of ~15gib (maybe more) diskimages for glance v2 into rackspace cloudfiles. so largeish | 19:13 |
fungi | we could likely be saturating our bandwidth limit for the instance from which we're pushing them | 19:13 |
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fungi | and hpcloud also has the benefit of accepting qcow2 images, so we aren't having to send nearly as much data | 19:14 |
fungi | can't wait until rackspace no longer requires raw image uploads | 19:14 |
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fungi | serious waste of bandwidth | 19:15 |
clarkb | it would be neat if we could have ro cinder volumes that are mountable from N hosts at once | 19:15 |
clarkb | then we could just make a cache volume daily per region that all slaves mount | 19:15 |
fungi | clarkb: boot from volume with a cow overlay? | 19:15 |
fungi | clarkb: oh! you mean for the cache only | 19:16 |
fungi | yeah that would be stellar | 19:16 |
fungi | decouple that from image generation. we could even update it more frequently | 19:16 |
clarkb | yup | 19:16 |
clarkb | and it would make our images a bit more reconsumable | 19:16 |
fungi | and that trove resize is _still_ going | 19:16 |
fungi | would have been a lot faster to just delete and recreate | 19:17 |
fungi | we didn't need to preserve any data | 19:17 |
clarkb | oh well | 19:17 |
fungi | dunno what i was thinking | 19:17 |
clarkb | its a holiday in MURICA, weekend in apac and europe is asleep. I think we only have to worry about anteaya pabelanger and cody-somerville :) | 19:18 |
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anteaya | I'm watching the conversation | 19:18 |
anteaya | so not using etherpad, I'm good thanks though | 19:18 |
fungi | yeah, they got their holiday over and done with on wednesday | 19:18 |
anteaya | it was nice | 19:19 |
anteaya | beat the rush | 19:19 |
anteaya | zul is canuck too | 19:20 |
openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Fix Jenkins nodes methods to use POST https://review.openstack.org/193600 | 19:20 |
SpamapS | just to be clear about sudo and admin users: any log analysis is compromised when you have a shared admin user that people use as their first contact with the box. I 100% agree with that. Whether it is ubuntu, or root, it's poor practice IMO. | 19:21 |
fungi | SpamapS: my feeling exactly | 19:22 |
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fungi | the edge case here is that we have an automated system which connects to machines and (effectively) every action it takes requires root access. and it runs from a trusted system and logs its activity. so the benefits of forcing it to call sudo over and over are marginal, possibly not enough to outweigh the added complexity | 19:25 |
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fungi | clarkb: in case you think i might have fallen asleep over here... nope, still resizing | 19:27 |
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openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed openstack-infra/project-config: nodepool: describe nodepool-base env variables https://review.openstack.org/193566 | 19:28 |
fungi | clarkb: okay, it's at 20gb now. ready to load in? | 19:28 |
clarkb | fungi: I am ready if you are | 19:28 |
fungi | #status alert etherpad.openstack.org is still offline for scheduled database maintenance, ETA 19:45 UTC | 19:29 |
openstackstatus | fungi: sending alert | 19:29 |
fungi | clarkb: go for it | 19:29 |
clarkb | restore is running in screen | 19:30 |
fungi | attached | 19:30 |
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anteaya | I wonder if that sets up up for the bot topic bug where the topic that is restored after you are done is the ETA 19:30 topic | 19:33 |
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openstackstatus | fungi: finished sending alert | 19:33 |
fungi | anteaya: it shouldn't, we've done this successfully before. the bug we saw last time i think is that we asked it to start sending an updated second alert before it finished sending the first alert | 19:34 |
anteaya | ah | 19:34 |
anteaya | okay thanks | 19:34 |
clarkb | fungi: the total size of the db dump was about 2.7GB so this restore isn't unusually slow | 19:35 |
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fungi | cool | 19:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed openstack-infra/project-config: nodepool: nodepool-base no more set a local DNS https://review.openstack.org/193567 | 19:37 |
clarkb | one thing I had to do to get my etherpad change in place was run their stress tester, it only runs against http and requires flipping a less secure bit in config, tl;dr it would be neat to temporarily make -dev less secure for a time to hit it with the stress tester | 19:39 |
fungi | looks like it just finished | 19:39 |
clarkb | yup going to hop on and make the character set changes now | 19:40 |
fungi | clarkb: can't run the stress tested locally over the http socket listening on localhost? | 19:40 |
fungi | er, tester | 19:40 |
clarkb | fungi: you can but then you ignore apache and its potential for limiting throughput | 19:40 |
clarkb | we acutally likely want to test with and without apache to model that | 19:41 |
fungi | that's a great point | 19:41 |
clarkb | and this step should take ~5 minutes | 19:41 |
clarkb | based on my math from the -dev conversion | 19:41 |
clarkb | going to take the hiera lock now and update hiera while we wait | 19:42 |
fungi | we might want to consider making the stress tester a ci job, and run it from a weekly pipeline or something | 19:42 |
fungi | meh, i guess we really only care after we change something though | 19:42 |
clarkb | hiera updated | 19:44 |
clarkb | it only took 3 minutes | 19:44 |
clarkb | fungi: ready for me to run puppet? | 19:44 |
fungi | yep! | 19:45 |
fungi | all i can say is, i'm glad we resized the volume for the new trove instance. it spiked up around 7.5 gib of data during that alter table | 19:45 |
fungi | i expect it would have failed on us if we were still running it with a 6gib volume | 19:45 |
fungi | yay! i saw it update my ssh key ;) | 19:46 |
clarkb | well that was the noop run :) current run will actually update it | 19:46 |
fungi | well, _now_ it updated it | 19:46 |
fungi | yeah | 19:47 |
fungi | and looks like it updated the database hostname properly too | 19:47 |
clarkb | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/clarkb-test is up and available | 19:48 |
clarkb | ok service is back, please let us know if you see anthing off/weird unhappy | 19:48 |
clarkb | if no one objects I will send mail to list saying we are done and we can #status reset | 19:51 |
clarkb | er ok | 19:51 |
anteaya | I do not object | 19:51 |
fungi | #status ok | 19:52 |
openstackstatus | fungi: sending ok | 19:52 |
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openstackstatus | fungi: finished sending ok | 19:54 |
fungi | i stuck a utf8 4-byte test payload in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/broken-utf8-4 and it doesn't seem to have broken that pad | 19:54 |
fungi | how were you able to break it before? | 19:54 |
clarkb | huh | 19:54 |
clarkb | fungi: taron put 4 byte chars in https://etherpad-dev.openstack.org/p/clarkb-test and it broke that pad | 19:55 |
clarkb | fungi: but it broke in the client not the server side, there are js exceptions if you open the dev tools and look at the console in $brwoser | 19:55 |
fungi | taron: if you're around, any recollection of which particular characters you tested with? | 19:55 |
clarkb | https://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/issues/2522 thats the bug which I updated too | 19:56 |
clarkb | we should likely add those chars to the bug as well | 19:56 |
anteaya | the -dev/clarkb-test pad loads the chat for me but not the pad | 19:56 |
fungi | i copied/pasted the set at http://www.i18nguy.com/unicode/supplementary-test.html | 19:56 |
clarkb | anteaya: yup thats the behavior and seems to be due to chat loading separately from the pad content | 19:57 |
anteaya | okay, working as expected then, or at least consistent with prior experiences | 19:57 |
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fungi | i'm tempted to paste http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-test.txt into etherpad-dev | 19:59 |
anteaya | I have no objection | 20:00 |
anteaya | if it is able to be busted we may as well bust it ourselves | 20:01 |
fungi | i think my browser may have filtered the badnez | 20:01 |
fungi | https://etherpad-dev.openstack.org/p/broken-utf8 pasted fine | 20:01 |
anteaya | can you download with curl then upload to etherpad? | 20:01 |
fungi | ah, yeah, it's copying the unicode "replacement character" codepoint | 20:03 |
anteaya | :/ | 20:03 |
fungi | though it did manage to paste 𐀀 correctly (LINEAR B SYLLABLE B008 A) | 20:04 |
anteaya | yay | 20:04 |
clarkb | thats a funny way for copy pasta to work | 20:04 |
clarkb | copy what yoy see not what is there | 20:05 |
fungi | which is 0xf0908080 according to .encode('utf-8') | 20:05 |
fungi | clarkb: well, most of the vectors in that file are invalid constructs meant to test error handling | 20:06 |
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fungi | but i've confirmed manually that the glyphs in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/broken-utf8-4 are truly 4-byte utf-8 so now i'm really curious to know what taron used to break that test pad on etherpad-dev | 20:07 |
fungi | though not curious enough to go tracking it down in etherpad's terrible, terrible database | 20:07 |
clarkb | :) | 20:08 |
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anteaya | one table for all the things | 20:08 |
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clarkb | something something and in the darkness bind them | 20:08 |
fungi | anteaya: it's worse than that | 20:10 |
fungi | one table with only two colums | 20:10 |
anteaya | oh goodness | 20:10 |
anteaya | and one is a primary key, yeah? | 20:11 |
fungi | basically an index and the data | 20:11 |
fungi | they're using an sql table as a key/value store | 20:11 |
anteaya | ha ha ha | 20:11 |
fungi | literally the table is called "store" and the columns are named "key" and "value" | 20:11 |
anteaya | ha ha ha | 20:11 |
anteaya | I'm only laughing because I don't have server permissions | 20:12 |
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anteaya | and at this rate, never expect to | 20:12 |
anteaya | how aweful | 20:12 |
fungi | i saw their database schema for the first time a couple years ago, and it still makes me laugh | 20:12 |
anteaya | was it drawn in crayon? | 20:13 |
clarkb | and key is a reserved word so if you are sql noob like me you get sql errors using it without proper quoting | 20:13 |
anteaya | one rectangle with a cross inside | 20:13 |
anteaya | ha ha ha | 20:13 |
anteaya | lovely | 20:13 |
fungi | burnt sienna for the lines and burnt umber for the labels. it was very tasteful | 20:13 |
anteaya | ha ha ha | 20:13 |
anteaya | I do love the burnts | 20:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: Exclude yaql 0.3.0 from requirements https://review.openstack.org/196977 | 20:41 |
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openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack-infra/openstackid: [smarcet] https://review.openstack.org/198458 | 20:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Script to install modules during integration https://review.openstack.org/198442 | 21:12 |
nibalizer | clarkb: haha that same thing bit me too | 21:12 |
openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci: Update spec helper for zuul-cloner https://review.openstack.org/184905 | 21:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci: Check resources in the openstackci::loghost class https://review.openstack.org/198463 | 21:21 |
openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci: Check resources in the openstackci::loghost class https://review.openstack.org/198463 | 21:23 |
openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci: Update spec helper for zuul-cloner https://review.openstack.org/184905 | 21:23 |
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sdake | can someone provide me directions to make it so chanserv will permanently recognize my name and allow myself to be op'ed in channel #kolla? | 21:39 |
sdake | (so I can change topic when occasion merits it) | 21:39 |
lifeless | clarkb: I did | 21:42 |
fungi | sdake: looks like Slower and rhallisey are the current operators recognized by chanserv for that channel | 21:42 |
lifeless | fungi: saturday :/ family day but I'll see what I can do | 21:42 |
sdake | fungi yes I can get them to type commands to add me | 21:42 |
sdake | but I dont know what commands to type | 21:42 |
sdake | or if someone could use superpowers to fix i'd super appreciate that :) | 21:42 |
sdake | I am the elected PTL, should be able to select topic of the channel ;-) | 21:43 |
fungi | lifeless: nothing you need to get to today. just next time you're hacking on stuff | 21:43 |
sdake | fungi mind throwing me a bone and telling me what cmamnds to feed to slower or rhallisey? | 21:44 |
fungi | sdake: patience. it takes me a few minutes to look these things up | 21:44 |
sdake | oh cool sorry dude :) | 21:44 |
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sdake | my bad | 21:44 |
fungi | sdake: if they want to give you full channel control that Slower has, then /msg chanserv access #kolla add sdake +Aefortv | 21:45 |
fungi | sdake: though swap out that o for O if you want chanserv to auto-op you | 21:45 |
sdake | fungi thanks | 21:45 |
sdake | nah I dont need autoop | 21:46 |
sdake | its only to change topics | 21:46 |
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fungi | sdake: you can get by with just +t for topic access | 21:46 |
sdake | probably better i have full channel control tbh | 21:46 |
sdake | so i'll go with op, they dont care | 21:46 |
sdake | they just dont know what to do ;) | 21:46 |
fungi | with o you can op yourself as needed with something like /msg chanserv op #kolla | 21:47 |
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fungi | but O just auto-sets op on you when you /join the channel | 21:47 |
sdake | ya, find people that need that are ego-maniacs :) | 21:48 |
sdake | my ego is big enough already :( | 21:48 |
lifeless | fungi: unbreaking oslo library tests is perhaps urgent :) | 21:48 |
fungi | sdake: also the chanserv bot (and all freenode's service bots) have great context help. just /msg chanserv help | 21:48 |
sdake | ya rtfm from now on :) | 21:48 |
sdake | thanks | 21:48 |
fungi | yw! | 21:48 |
sdake | I do know how to use irc pretty well just these tricky things were invented after i learned how to use irc oh 20 years ago or so ;) | 21:49 |
fungi | sdake: you and me both. this is why i still have to look up this sort of stuff. just don't do it often enough to memorize the details unfortunately | 21:50 |
fungi | and different irc networks run different service bot software with different syntax and different flags | 21:50 |
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lifeless | yah | 21:50 |
lifeless | IRC - its as standard as using high level libraries in C | 21:50 |
fungi | heh | 21:50 |
persia | At least the sorts of services available from the bots seems to have begun to stabilise | 21:51 |
fungi | yes, they've been nicely converging | 21:51 |
fungi | but also the irc networks have been more or less merging or dying off | 21:51 |
sdake | lifeless wrong channel, but there is a kolla midcycle - might find it helpful for hp to send a cat there - since you may be using kolla one day in my great hopes and dreams ;) | 21:51 |
sdake | ya funding thing | 21:52 |
sdake | pretty sure all the high tech companies would pick up funding for freenode if needbe :) | 21:52 |
sdake | if they aren't already | 21:52 |
lifeless | sdake: a /cat/ ? | 21:52 |
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sdake | a cat is a person | 21:52 |
sdake | american slang for cowboy dev ;) | 21:52 |
fungi | sdake: lifeless: mordred will sling wet cats at your midcycle if you want | 21:52 |
sdake | it woudl be fantastic to have mordred there although i'm sure he is super busy | 21:53 |
lifeless | sdake: ah | 21:53 |
lifeless | sdake: yes, I think having someone there would make sense | 21:53 |
sdake | since we are using shade a dep | 21:53 |
sdake | since its local i htink the costs would be low | 21:53 |
persia | sdake: Feel free to shame anyone who both has cash and doesn't appear at https://freenode.net/acknowledgements.shtml | 21:53 |
sdake | registration info is on #kolla or the ml | 21:53 |
clarkb | whats local mean | 21:53 |
lifeless | clarkb: if you're around - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198185/ - ready for +2A | 21:54 |
sdake | oh, san jose clarkb | 21:54 |
persia | clarkb: Inside martian orbit | 21:54 |
sdake | isn't hp in sjc? | 21:54 |
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fungi | santa clara i think. not being californian i have no idea how far apart those are | 21:54 |
persia | Same public transit network | 21:55 |
sdake | anyway wrong channel sorry for noise ;) | 21:55 |
fungi | though the sorts of hp people you'd want popping up at that are likely working from home anyway, so location is less predictable | 21:55 |
clarkb | right :) | 21:55 |
fungi | at least that's what i've been able to gather | 21:55 |
clarkb | local for most is home office/cafe/airplane | 21:55 |
sdake | fungi ack on that | 21:56 |
fungi | "local" is sort of meaningless in openstackland | 21:56 |
sdake | well we are having on site | 21:56 |
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sdake | but it should have reasonable remote access if you can stomach using webex ;-) | 21:56 |
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openstackgerrit | lifeless proposed openstack/requirements: Fix editing constraints files with urls in them. https://review.openstack.org/198186 | 21:56 |
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lifeless | sdake: HP Cloud has uhm, lots of offices | 21:57 |
sdake | lifeless ya cisco has a funch of facilities | 21:57 |
sdake | bunch | 21:57 |
sdake | persia what is the minimum donation amount - any idea? | 21:57 |
lifeless | sdake: ignoring work from home, there's at least.... 6 offices i can think of | 21:57 |
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sdake | persia surprised not to see more big openstack names in the list | 21:59 |
clarkb | lifeless out of curiousity what type of value gets assigned to location in the tuple? | 22:00 |
clarkb | oh child cjange | 22:00 |
fungi | clarkb: url/uri | 22:01 |
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clarkb | location = m.group('url') | 22:01 |
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lifeless | clarkb: '-e file://...' or 'file:////' | 22:12 |
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persia | sdake: I don't know at all: when I've been involved with a contributing organisation, someone else always dealt with the details. | 22:25 |
sdake | persia ack | 22:28 |
mordred | sdake: I'd be more than happy to come talk about shade and stuff - although I'm not planning on being in SJC any time in the near future | 22:32 |
mordred | sdake: I actually have _zero_ plans to be in SJC - although I expect some to come up :) | 22:32 |
sdake | mordred yar our midcycle is 28th/29th | 22:32 |
sdake | ;-) | 22:32 |
mordred | of july? | 22:32 |
sdake | yar | 22:32 |
mordred | nope. I'll be on the beach in panama | 22:32 |
sdake | in sjc about 10 min drive from airport | 22:32 |
sdake | nice I wish I was at a beach in panama right now! | 22:32 |
mordred | I like you and all | 22:32 |
mordred | but let's be honest :) | 22:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: Add location to requirement.Requirement https://review.openstack.org/198185 | 23:03 |
lifeless | sdake: thats pyconau time, so you can't have me eitehr :0 | 23:05 |
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anteaya | just looking at the schedule | 23:09 |
anteaya | I hope whoever is leading the mid-cycle at IBM in Austin makes sure they have working wifi | 23:09 |
anteaya | they didn't in January | 23:10 |
lifeless | ok so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198188/ is in the critical bucket IMO | 23:14 |
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lifeless | how do I get review bandwidth on it ? | 23:14 |
lifeless | mtreinish: ^ | 23:14 |
fungi | i was able to get the ubuntu-trusty diskimages uploaded into dfw and iad so far on the first try using the image-upload subcommand, though i've only been running one at a time. ord is running now and looks like it will probably work too. i wonder if we're normally uploading them all in parallel and saturating the interface | 23:15 |
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lifeless | sdague: dtroyer: mtreinish: chmouel: ianw: jeblair_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198188/ if +A'd should unblock dvsm runs in the oslo space that folk are having trouble with | 23:20 |
fungi | i think i'm caught up on all my pymysql transition patches now too. holidays are great for getting things done | 23:21 |
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taron | fungi: bit late but you pasted the same set of characters I did | 23:55 |
fungi | taron: thanks for confirming! maybe production is less broken than our dev deployment | 23:55 |
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