| fungi | yeah. or maybe i'll just read more e-mail | 00:00 |
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| mordred | fungi: funny, I was thinking about drinking cachaça and watching the teevee | 00:00 |
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| mordred | I suppose the cachaça involvement makes that unamerican | 00:00 |
| fungi | the television more than makes up for the lack of americanness of the drink | 00:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Flush out the db api documenation https://review.openstack.org/129405 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Reorganize the python api documentation https://review.openstack.org/129406 | 00:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add section on the basic data model https://review.openstack.org/129407 | 00:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add docs jobs for subunit2sql https://review.openstack.org/129409 | 00:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Flush out the db api documenation https://review.openstack.org/129405 | 01:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Reorganize the python api documentation https://review.openstack.org/129406 | 01:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add section on the basic data model https://review.openstack.org/129407 | 01:02 |
| lifeless | mtreinish: btw it looks like you've made subunit2sql subunitv1 based | 01:05 |
| lifeless | mtreinish: I think it would be a really good idea to fix that asap | 01:06 |
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| jeblair | looks like https://review.openstack.org/129396 has merged and all the jjb runs have finished | 01:13 |
| anteaya | ivar-lazzaro: check your client | 01:13 |
| anteaya | jeblair: good | 01:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | anteaya: yeah I think it should be fine now | 01:14 |
| anteaya | ivar-lazzaro: thanks | 01:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | anteaya: :) | 01:15 |
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| fungi | yep | 01:28 |
| fungi | seems we're all set | 01:28 |
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| mtreinish | lifeless: shouldn't be, I thought I did everything using subunit v2 | 01:40 |
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| mtreinish | lifeless: I might have screwed part of it up, but my intent was to make it v2 only | 01:45 |
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| jkt | hi there, I'm trying to duplicate your CI config for kde.org, and I wonder how you ended up with Jenkins | 08:54 |
| jkt | I mean, I assume that you "only" use the CI for automated voting on incoming changes and for project gating | 08:55 |
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| fungi | jkt: we used a lot more of its extensible features early on but have slowly been weaning our project off of it to the point where it's just a go-between got running and collecting logs from jobs now | 13:12 |
| clarkb | and in fact implemented a form of gating with the jenkins trigger plugin | 13:13 |
| fungi | jkt: projects like zuul and nodepool have filled in the gaps for some of the more complex plug-ins we used previously, and added new features we never could have really implemented within the context of jenkins | 13:13 |
| clarkb | er gerrit trigger plugin | 13:13 |
| fungi | jkt: once we get log collection and brokering of jobs to workers reimplemented, we basically no longer need jenkins for anything | 13:14 |
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| fungi | jkt: like with any complex system, our implementation is alive and evolving continuously, so duplicating what we do ultimately means that you either continue to follow suit on major changes we make or you rapidly diverge from what we're doing | 13:15 |
| fungi | (also it means our documentation has an unfortunate tendency to lag behind our tools somewhat, though we do try to avoid it lapsing into uselessness) | 13:16 |
| clarkb | though with zuul speaking gearman one side of that evolution is thankfully pretty well defined (rackspace does use a non jenkins test runner today) | 13:17 |
| fungi | jkt: anyway, i'd be very excited to see kde.org to reuse any of our tools or workflows... reusability outside of our community is a primary design goal for them. so please, feel free to ask questions if you run into any issues at all with them | 13:17 |
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| jkt | fungi (and others), thanks a lot | 13:42 |
| jkt | we already have gerrit up and running in some testing mode with just three repos, and no gating (or even CI) right now | 13:42 |
| jkt | that history was exactly what I was looking for; I didn't mean to imply that you're doing wrong things, just asking to help me understand what were the reasons behind what I do not currently understand | 13:43 |
| jkt | one quick question -- the "test what is going to end in the repo" is not completely bitwise-accurate, right? I mean, zuul will use the same git algorithm (merge commit or a fast forward) for each change, same as gerrit, and will apply that in-order, but the actual commits might be slightly different (timestamps, commiter, etc), right? | 13:44 |
| fungi | jkt: correct. one plan for solving that is to have zuul start doing the merging into gerrit's repositories rather than simply triggering gerrit's submit api call | 13:46 |
| jkt | I heard that gerrit isn't happy when you push a change underneath | 13:46 |
| jkt | does it require some magic trick? | 13:46 |
| fungi | jkt: you push it through gerrit, but don't let gerrit/jgit calculate the merge commit for you | 13:46 |
| jkt | so is that essentially a direct push of the changes, including the merge commit, into refs/head/$targetbranch? | 13:47 |
| fungi | jkt: at least that's the plan. gerrit deals with pushed merge commits fine (and from what we've seen so far, potentially better than making them itself--we have definitely seen bugs and behavior differences between its merge algorithm and what cgit gives you) | 13:47 |
| fungi | jkt: yep | 13:48 |
| jkt | ah | 13:48 |
| jkt | I read somewhere that doing that won't mark the change as submitted | 13:48 |
| jkt | I should probably try it before asking, though :) | 13:48 |
| jkt | and another one, "zuul merger" is in charge of doing these merges ahead of time, right? What is the reason for that, i.e. why isn't that a part of the build job itself? Is that performance, i.e. "don't merge more often than necessary"? Could that be solved by splitting the build pipeline into one merge and a ton of tests? | 13:48 |
| fungi | yeah, give the push idea a try and see what you get... we may find that there's an additional api call we have to make once that's done so it updates its database accordingly... but also gerrit's been getting better over the course of its development as it tries to track less in a database and rely more on what it sees in its repos | 13:49 |
| jkt | yup | 13:50 |
| fungi | jkt: the zuul merger is abstracted away from the job because in a dependent pipeline you may want to recalculate that same merge over and over | 13:50 |
| jkt | got an example? my intuitive understand would be exactly the other way round, I might want to aovid doing that IMHO | 13:51 |
| fungi | jkt: also it makes it easier for the job since it can just check out a ref fed into it as an envvar | 13:51 |
| fungi | jkt: actually, even in an independent pipeline, if you have a dozen jobs for a change the zuul merger calculates that once and all teh jobs pull it, rather than every job recalculating that for itself | 13:52 |
| jkt | ok, understood | 13:52 |
| jkt | it makes sense to separate "stuff with git" vs. "stuff with build", I guess | 13:53 |
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| fungi | jkt: also fair to mention that this is optimized for integration testing, so we can have one common refname which many tens of projects all get cloned which represents the common state across all of them which we want to test together | 13:53 |
| clarkb | fungi and that there is the killer feature of the merger imo | 13:54 |
| fungi | agreed. integration testing is where it particularly shines | 13:54 |
| clarkb | makes it super easy to grab one state of the world and test it (even locally) | 13:54 |
| jkt | is there some reason for sticking with gerrit 2.8 instead of 2.9, or is that just a matetr of not having time/whatever for update? | 13:55 |
| fungi | jkt: we've found that the least disruptive time for our developer community to upgrade major tools is the first part of the release cycle | 13:56 |
| fungi | and 2.9 came out while we were rushing toward the release we just wrapped up two days ago | 13:56 |
| fungi | so i expect to be looking hard at another major gerrit upgrade for us in eth coming weeks | 13:56 |
| jkt | understood :) | 13:56 |
| fungi | there are some communities already reusing our tools with gerrit 2.9 so i think it probably mostly works, but i can't say for certain | 13:57 |
| jkt | that test matrix UI thingy, is that a plugin? I didn't find it in the docs | 13:57 |
| jkt | (assuming that you aren't using a variant of https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/58283 already) | 13:58 |
| clarkb | jeepyb needs to be patched for the fake group stuff | 13:58 |
| clarkb | there is a change up for that but it drops 2.4 support | 13:58 |
| fungi | jkt: are you talking about the job results table you see on changes at review.openstack.org? | 13:58 |
| jkt | fungi: yes | 13:59 |
| fungi | jkt: it's a javascript overlay we've bolted on. i'll get you the url | 13:59 |
| jkt | impressive -- so I guess you gave your jenkins a negative "can mail reviewers" to reduce bot spam as well | 14:00 |
| fungi | jkt: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/openstack_project/files/gerrit/hideci.js | 14:00 |
| clarkb | we should probably tag jeepyb, then drop 2.4 support and merge the 2.9 compat change | 14:00 |
| fungi | jkt: we actually haven't done much to reduce bot spam triggered through gerrit, other than recently standardizing most of the bot account names so that people can filter on them more easily | 14:01 |
| fungi | jkt: we have a swarm of roughly 100 different bots operated by third parties reporting on viability of proposed changes in various projects, it's been a bit of a struggle to keep order | 14:01 |
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| fungi | jkt: for example, this change https://review.openstack.org/126189 is currently showing 12 different external ci systems reporting on it in a pattern which that javascript overlay can recognize and display in the table (along with the results from our upstream ci) | 14:04 |
| fungi | jkt: but if you hit the "toggle ci" button down at the bottom of the page you'll see it exposes comments from lots of ci systems, some of which aren't using a consistent reporting format (and so don't appear in the summary table up top) | 14:05 |
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| jkt | fungi: but that's only for the old change screen, right? | 14:07 |
| fungi | jkt: oh, right. i keep forgetting there's a new change screen | 14:07 |
| jkt | :) | 14:07 |
| fungi | on the whole our community has not been too fond of the new change screen | 14:07 |
| clarkb | it should work in new change screen too | 14:07 |
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| fungi | that's my understanding, though i don't think i've tried it myself | 14:07 |
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| fungi | then again, i'm usually looking at gertty anyway, not the webui | 14:08 |
| clarkb | dansmith uses it and is noisy :) | 14:08 |
| jkt | clarkb: it doesn't, for me, using firefox 32.0.3 | 14:08 |
| clarkb | jkt ok so thats a bug then. it did work at one point | 14:08 |
| jkt | I'm asking because I saw some work at upstream for supporting these kinds of status matrix; I thought it's your (openstack-infra's) work | 14:09 |
| fungi | it's possible sdad's recent patch isn't compatible with the new change screen (i didn't think to test that when i reviewed it) | 14:09 |
| fungi | jkt: the interest it it has been driven from our community, among others, but we try not to run a fork of gerrit any longer so we're patiently waiting to be able to use that | 14:09 |
| clarkb | upstream is like a mystical beast to us. zaro seems to be able to communicate well with them. the rest of us have all various levels of rage quitting I think | 14:10 |
| fungi | jkt: we operated a fork of gerrit 2.4 with custom patches for quite a while, and it became exceedingly painful | 14:10 |
| fungi | and yeah, the one patch i got into upstream gerrit was enough for me. then again, java makes me want to scream | 14:11 |
| * jkt only has doc patches so far, that was reasonably easy to get right | 14:11 | |
| clarkb | I have yet to get any code in. not even my bug fixes get merged | 14:11 |
| jkt | I'm still waiting for them to review that change which increases the length of HTTP passwords | 14:11 |
| clarkb | and now my cla is no longer valid? fungi did you run into that? | 14:12 |
| jkt | but I dislike Java as much as any other guy :) | 14:12 |
| clarkb | (another issue with CLAs in general) | 14:12 |
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| jkt | do you guys have any opinion on buildbot? from the very quick doc scraping I did, it appears to have an openstack frontend, and looks to be much more lightweight than full-blown jenkins | 14:13 |
| fungi | clarkb: i would assume my google cla has expired as well | 14:13 |
| clarkb | I know mordred refuses to buildbot | 14:14 |
| clarkb | iirc it is impossible to debug failures | 14:14 |
| fungi | i can't recall the issues he pointed out now (and maybe they're no longer relevant) | 14:15 |
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| clarkb | it has to do with debugging iirc. you get some twisted stacktrace and have fun | 14:15 |
| clarkb | which may be better now | 14:15 |
| jkt | mordred: if you have some time, I would appreciate to hear what you think of buildbot, people say you have some bad memories | 14:15 |
| fungi | ahh, right, so there's also something else worth pointing out... our systems are built around a particular need to test changes to the software underlying a cloud environment, so as a result we need to do all sorts of heinous things to test machines, granting root access to completely untrusted proposed code. as a result we have a lot of heavyweight solutions in place so that we can do that safely | 14:17 |
| fungi | and still be able to debug failures reliably | 14:17 |
| clarkb | and mozilla is/was ditching buildbot for jenkins so there may be more info from them too | 14:17 |
| jkt | clarkb: didn't they ditch tinderbox and not buildbot? | 14:17 |
| * jkt checks | 14:17 | |
| clarkb | I thought it was buildbot | 14:18 |
| clarkb | bkero would know but isnt here | 14:19 |
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| clarkb | ultimately a decision was made ~4.5 years ago and we have grown from there | 14:24 |
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| clarkb | for us buildbot wouldnt make much sense today as we would have to rewrite zuul in the buildbot framework | 14:24 |
| clarkb | since zuul and the buildbot master straddle some similar functionality | 14:25 |
| clarkb | though I suppose we could put a gearman trigger thing in the buildbot master like we have with jenkins | 14:26 |
| jkt | right, that trigger is what I'm thinking | 14:27 |
| clarkb | but thats more work than just having gearman workers since you can do this today (rackspace does) | 14:27 |
| jkt | but I do see that there's a certain overlap in functionality, such as the dependencies on multiple projects | 14:27 |
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| jkt | clarkb: got a link? I tried to google for it earlier today, but didn't have much luck | 14:28 |
| clarkb | https://github.com/stackforge/turbo-hipster | 14:28 |
| jkt | ah, that thing | 14:28 |
| clarkb | that is the worker they use talking directly to zuul | 14:28 |
| fungi | one of the more colorfully-named projects around here ;) | 14:28 |
| * jkt will look at it with a generic eye and disregard the purpose in its description | 14:28 | |
| clarkb | it runs database migration tests against real db data which they post results back to gerrit | 14:29 |
| jkt | yes, that's what I read weeks ago, and somehow it didn't occur to me that it could be a generic tool on its own | 14:29 |
| clarkb | but iirc can run arbitrary shell/thingsyoucanfork | 14:30 |
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| jkt | all right, thanks a lot, I guess I have my homework now; I'll ask once I get stuck on something | 14:30 |
| fungi | please do! | 14:30 |
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| clarkb | jhesketh would know more but its early sunday night for hime now | 14:31 |
| jkt | are you guys going to Paris btw? I should probably bring some Czech beer with me to express how much I like your stuff | 14:31 |
| clarkb | yes I will be there :) | 14:31 |
| fungi | yeah, i'll be there for owf the week before (presenting and on a couple panels) and then all week for the openstack summit | 14:31 |
| fungi | let's definitely catch up | 14:32 |
| * jkt takes a note to not travel with a carry-on only | 14:32 | |
| clarkb | er late saturday night for jhesketh. timezones are hard | 14:33 |
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| fungi | that reminds me. i should really write my talk for owf | 14:47 |
| fungi | it's a lead-in to a panel on whether free software projects really need to run their own infrastructure or should just consume hosted saas | 14:49 |
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| fungi | i think i can come up with a least a few reasons some projects might need to run their own ;) | 14:51 |
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| clarkb | I am sure ttx would say control at release time | 14:53 |
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| fungi | well, there's that | 14:58 |
| fungi | i think transifex is actually a great example of saas gone wrong | 14:58 |
| clarkb | ++ | 14:58 |
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| clarkb | similar to that I would say you dont get something like gating if you hand the reigns over to another group | 14:59 |
| clarkb | (so it becomes part of your decision around the value in testing) | 14:59 |
| fungi | i think that just falls into the "you give up flexibility to tailor your tools to your workflow, and must instead tailor your workflow to your tools" category | 15:00 |
| clarkb | ya | 15:01 |
| fungi | granted, that's probably the single biggest reason to at least retain the ability to run your own | 15:02 |
| jeblair | jkt: in the gerrit 2.4 days, i did verify that git pushing to a change marked it as merged in the gerrit db. i have not reverified that with 2.8/2.9. | 15:03 |
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| fungi | i also think vps hosting providers are actually a great middle ground/compromise between the traditional "find somewhere to rack your donated servers and plug them in" situation a number of larger established projects' infrastructure teams are still struggling to support | 15:03 |
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| fungi | at least compared to the more recent model of "run your project exclusively through github/bitbucket" | 15:04 |
| clarkb | ya though orgs like osuosl help fill the rack gap pretty well | 15:05 |
| fungi | right, but having personally been stuck remote-managing fleets of physical servers over the years, i can say now that i've been spoiled by virtual hosting providers i wouldn't consider going back to that | 15:06 |
| clarkb | ++ | 15:06 |
| jeblair | 2014-10-18 15:06:08,805 p=818 u=root | fatal: [groups.openstack.org] => SSH encountered an unknown error during the connection. We recommend you re-run the command using -vvvv, which will enable SSH debugging output to help diagnose the issue | 15:06 |
| fungi | that's ansible complaining? | 15:07 |
| clarkb | fungi did you rebuild that server? | 15:07 |
| jeblair | ya | 15:07 |
| fungi | i did rebuild it and switch dns, haven't deleted the old one yet | 15:07 |
| clarkb | probably need to accept host key? | 15:07 |
| fungi | aha--i totally forgot to do that | 15:07 |
| fungi | fixing | 15:07 |
| fungi | should be all better now | 15:08 |
| jeblair | yaay | 15:08 |
| fungi | removed the old conflicting key root had cached on the puppetmaster and accepted the new one | 15:08 |
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| fungi | i would have just copied the host key to the new machine had i been thinking straight | 15:09 |
| fungi | but don't feel like booting the old server back up to do that at this point | 15:09 |
| jkt | jeblair: thanks, I'll give it a try, then | 15:09 |
| clarkb | ya no biggy | 15:09 |
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| clarkb | fungi your beach is on my television. apparently some brothers flew an airplane nearby once long ago | 15:13 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i assume if fungi's beach is visible, you can see him lounging with a drink (and a wearable computer) | 15:15 |
| fungi | or lounging with a computer and a wearable drink! | 15:15 |
| clarkb | jeblair: unfortunately it was not live | 15:15 |
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| jeblair | fungi: you have a drinking problem! ;) | 15:16 |
| fungi | i did in fact walk to the memorial for those two brothers just a couple hours ago | 15:16 |
| fungi | it's one of our more frequent training routes | 15:16 |
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| clarkb | neat | 15:16 |
| fungi | i live about two miles south of there on foot | 15:17 |
| jeblair | fungi: how many miles if you fly? | 15:17 |
| fungi | shorter as the seagull flies, but we wander through a warren-like maze of small neighborhood streets to get to the back entrance... less traffic | 15:17 |
| fungi | roughly 1.5 miles straight line on the map | 15:18 |
| fungi | also we can walk three miles south to the tallest sand dune on the island chain | 15:19 |
| clarkb | do they do reenactment flight things? | 15:19 |
| clarkb | probably not osha compliant | 15:19 |
| fungi | very popular with hang gliders and kite fliers (and model airplane and quadrotor drone hobbyists) | 15:19 |
| fungi | there is in fact an airstrip right behind the memorial | 15:20 |
| fungi | which is the back entrance we take into the park... usually 2-5 small craft parked in the parking lot adjacent to it | 15:20 |
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| fungi | in 2003 they did a reenactment there of the wright brothers' longest flight for the 100th anniversary, but it didn't work out so well | 15:22 |
| fungi | http://kittyhawk.airshowjournal.com/2003/ | 15:24 |
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| jkt | jeblair: ok, I did some testing. On Gerrit 2.9.1, it appears that Gerrit does the "right thing", including updating the refs/notes/review | 15:26 |
| clarkb | I love that the president noped out of there | 15:26 |
| clarkb | the air force one flyover would have been fun to see though | 15:26 |
| jkt | if an unmodified change gets direct-pushed, the existing reviews are recorded in there | 15:27 |
| jkt | if there's a modification, the reviews are not applied | 15:27 |
| fungi | jkt: you mean recorded as attached git notes? | 15:27 |
| jkt | and in any case the Submitted-By is not added | 15:28 |
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| fungi | jkt: i think if you push a merge commit that should allow you to preserve the original commit sha (and thus the notes will be attached correctly) | 15:28 |
| jkt | fungi: yes | 15:28 |
| jkt | http://fpaste.org/143125/13646058/ | 15:28 |
| jeblair | jkt: cool! | 15:28 |
| jkt | the UI looks a bit funky though, https://gerrit.vesnicky.cesnet.cz/r/#/c/100/ | 15:28 |
| fungi | that's excellent news. means when we get to that point it probably won't be too hard to implement | 15:28 |
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| jkt | the git-kde-org-pusher is the name of the service account which is used for incoming replication from KDE's git; in this case, from Gerrit's POV it's the account which pushed that thing into gerrit | 15:29 |
| jkt | it would be interesting to extend this so that a "proper" submitted-by or maybe Direct-pushed-by is added | 15:30 |
| jkt | or maybe it's not worth the effort | 15:30 |
| clarkb | fungi owf looks fun | 15:31 |
| fungi | jkt: well, since we use a separate workflow label to indicate change approval, that's basically our human proxy for the eventual submit (or eventually maybe push) performed by zuul anyway | 15:31 |
| jkt | there's also no change-merged event, that's something one should probably keep in mind | 15:32 |
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| jkt | (my modified irc bot filters out ref-updated or-how-it's-called, but reports on change-merged, and was silent during this testing) | 15:33 |
| fungi | right, i think zuul would probably have to use some internal event trigger for that, but it does also mean if you're soupling other tools to gerrit watching for that event there may be workarounds to consider | 15:33 |
| jeblair | jkt: good point. we use ref-updated currently for all of our post-merge jobs (we do that because change-merged doesn't include the merge commit sha, so we can't actually build the correct tarball without a lot of work; whereas ref-updated includes the new commit sha of the ref even after a merge commit) | 15:34 |
| fungi | s/soupling/coupling/ | 15:34 |
| jeblair | oh yeah, our gerritbot watches change-merged | 15:34 |
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| fungi | i was just pulling up the source for it to confirm, and yes it does | 15:35 |
| fungi | we'd likely need to adjust that to work off ref-updated | 15:35 |
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| jeblair | heh, so we have the inverse of the problem -- given a commit sha for a merge commit, find the change | 15:36 |
| fungi | d'oh! | 15:36 |
| jeblair | at least the consequences for getting it wrong are less disturbing for an irc bot | 15:36 |
| clarkb | I think gerrit api supports that lookup | 15:36 |
| jeblair | clarkb: probably so | 15:36 |
| fungi | i wonder how it does that | 15:36 |
| fungi | the merge commit itself just has parent git shas, both of which might be changes in gerrit | 15:37 |
| clarkb | fungi one side should always be the change you want | 15:37 |
| clarkb | so if not merge use current sha else pick sha on correct side of merge | 15:38 |
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| fungi | oh, good point. it's the second parent of the merge | 15:38 |
| fungi | at least the way gerrit's performing merges currently | 15:38 |
| fungi | and in theory we'd preserve that order in zuul | 15:39 |
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| clarkb | I need to find apple juice to ferment. getting 5 gallons of fresh pressed juice has been more difficult thanI expectes | 15:53 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: got a farmers market with a farmer you can ask? | 15:54 |
| clarkb | ya that is my next place to check (I drove up to the gorge last weekend but all the fruit stands had intact apples only) | 15:55 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think I may be a little early too? | 15:57 |
| clarkb | I get a feeling that juicing happens later in the season with the less desireable left behind apples. but I dunno | 15:57 |
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| fungi | i'm starting to think part of my python 3.4 problem in heatclient is actually http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo-incubator/tree/openstack/common/apiclient/fake_client.py#n88 | 15:59 |
| jeblair | i dunno either :/ | 15:59 |
| clarkb | fungi the url parameter being the troublemaker? | 16:00 |
| fungi | clarkb: yeah, again it's comparisons against predetermined sequences of url query parameters | 16:02 |
| fungi | clarkb: for cider you need to be sure to pick the right kinds of apples | 16:02 |
| fungi | you don't want sweet varieties of "sauce" apples | 16:03 |
| clarkb | I am told any apple will work but traditionally they are apples you dont eat | 16:03 |
| fungi | yeah. the town i grew up near in the nc mountains grew apples as its primary cash crop | 16:04 |
| fungi | i'm trying to remember what months the orchards operated their cider presses | 16:04 |
| fungi | but i think they ran all through the fall | 16:04 |
| clarkb | worst case I just brew more beer >_> | 16:05 |
| fungi | back home, ciderfest is going on while we're in paris | 16:07 |
| fungi | but no idea if the appalachian cider season is in the same timeframe as the cascades | 16:08 |
| clarkb | ya I think paris timeframe is about right | 16:08 |
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| clarkb | which may be part of my problem | 16:09 |
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| jeblair | you know you want one of these: http://www.sausagemaker.com/31170appleandfruitcrusher.aspx | 16:10 |
| fungi | tempting! | 16:10 |
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| jlk | anybody around? Looking to confirm something in my head. nova-api is the only nova service that listens on an API for direct connections, all other nova services read messages from a message bus. Is this generally true? | 17:27 |
| clarkb | jlk the nova channel may have the best info but I think that is true | 17:30 |
| mordred | jlk: that is my understanding ... but also what clarkb said | 17:30 |
| clarkb | the sched cond cpu et al services all use the message bus | 17:30 |
| jlk | excellent. Makes rolling that much easier. | 17:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/reviewstats: Sync the infra subprojects to the governance list https://review.openstack.org/129440 | 20:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: Bail out in run_all.sh runs when failures happen https://review.openstack.org/129441 | 20:46 |
| clarkb | fungi: I see you too are working on this fine weekend :) | 20:46 |
| fungi | not really | 20:46 |
| clarkb | anyways 129441 fixes a thing that bugged me late on friday | 20:46 |
| clarkb | we really shouldn't have to be careful about that stuff. the code should do it for us | 20:46 |
| fungi | just wanted to update the reviewstats and governance repos | 20:46 |
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| fungi | ideally reviewstats, if someone starts to actively maintain it, should pull from the governance repo list and use something like the who-approves script i've got more or less working in https://review.openstack.org/127315 | 20:47 |
| fungi | also, for the record, the config->system-config rename for programs.yaml in governance is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129438 | 20:48 |
| clarkb | ++ to the reviewstats using governance thing | 20:49 |
| fungi | i believe the stackalytics peeps said they consume programs.yaml now | 20:50 |
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| fungi | oh, also i used some creative filtering from zuul's current parsing of layout.yaml to map to the machine-generated list of projects with stable/havana and stable/juno branches and came up with 23 we'll need to pin | 20:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Havana branches are dead, remove havana from d-g https://review.openstack.org/128975 | 20:53 |
| fungi | i'll get krotscheck's patch amended to do that | 20:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Add kilo to features.yaml https://review.openstack.org/128976 | 20:53 |
| clarkb | and that should keep the juno grenade train rolling | 20:53 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think Ajaeger proposed that stuff atop krotscheck's change? | 20:54 |
| clarkb | he stacked a few things on it | 20:54 |
| fungi | oh, maybe i missed it | 20:54 |
| clarkb | but I didn't look too closey | 20:54 |
| fungi | well, if nothing else it will make a good cross-audit | 20:54 |
| clarkb | so for monday I think my plan is to keep pushing on the make grenade grok juno stuff and to update our gearman plugin everywhere | 20:55 |
| clarkb | then switch back to dibification | 20:55 |
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| clarkb | fungi: do you have a change up for your edits to the wiki upgrade process? | 20:56 |
| clarkb | fungi: I wanted to look at that if you have it ready | 20:57 |
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| fungi | oh, not yet | 20:57 |
| clarkb | (curious to know what the solution to elasticsearch stuff was. did you do a full reindex? what is that process) | 20:57 |
| fungi | though it was just going to be a link to the upgrading section of https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FCirrusSearch.git/HEAD/README | 20:57 |
| fungi | i used 1a in that list of options | 20:58 |
| fungi | it took about 10 minutes | 20:58 |
| clarkb | gotcha. I was a bit annoed that that doc doesn't really describe when you might choose each of the options | 20:58 |
| clarkb | but 1a should be universal so good enough for me | 20:58 |
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| fungi | and also, easy | 21:05 |
| fungi | and also, search was already broken, so having it down for 10 more minutes was not especially impacting | 21:06 |
| clarkb | ++ | 21:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: Document rebuilding the MediaWiki search index https://review.openstack.org/129443 | 21:49 |
| fungi | clarkb: ^ as requested | 21:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: Add Kerberos config https://review.openstack.org/129444 | 21:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: Add Kerberos config https://review.openstack.org/129444 | 22:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: Add Kerberos config https://review.openstack.org/129444 | 22:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed a change to openstack-infra/system-config: Add Kerberos config https://review.openstack.org/129444 | 22:24 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: ping | 22:47 |
| jeblair | clarkb: es07 has an ssd and a sata drive in its volume group. we're only using the ssd. which one do you want to be using? (ie, do you want it to stay on the ssd, or do you want to move the data to sata?) | 22:48 |
| jeblair | fungi: ^ if you happen to remember? | 22:49 |
| jeblair | i'm restarting zuul | 22:51 |
| clarkb | I think the ssd experiment is mostly meh | 23:04 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: ssd is what is currently used so probably best to leave it and remove normal disk | 23:04 |
| clarkb | then I should go back and ssd the rest | 23:05 |
| clarkb | but it didnt appear to have tremendous impact | 23:05 |
| jeblair | if it's meh, why not leave everything on sata? | 23:05 |
| jeblair | it's "cheaper" so presumably if we don't have an opinion we might as well go with that :) | 23:06 |
| clarkb | thats fair too. I guess I wasnt considering the "cheaper" angle | 23:06 |
| clarkb | in that case we should migrate data back to sata then remove ssd | 23:06 |
| clarkb | out of curiousity why the zuul restart? | 23:07 |
| jeblair | ok cool | 23:08 |
| jeblair | we're at cinder quota, so i recovered a mostly unused volume from zuul (was holding logs) | 23:08 |
| jeblair | we can get another 1g by recovering the extra volume from es07, but we should probably ask for a quota bump next week | 23:08 |
| clarkb | sounds good | 23:09 |
| jeblair | graphite is just about out of space, so that's probably spoken for once we recover it | 23:09 |
| jeblair | mordred and i might be setting up an afs cell because that's how we weekend | 23:10 |
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| clarkb | I saw the kerberos change go by and figured something afs related was happening | 23:10 |
| mordred | clarkb: oh, it's happening baby | 23:11 |
| jeblair | ya, we have a kerberos realm now. ;) afs is up next. | 23:11 |
| mordred | clarkb: you can add a principal for yourself if you like | 23:11 |
| mordred | clarkb: kerberos is operational | 23:11 |
| clarkb | I am about to go procure chili ingredients for chili | 23:12 |
| mordred | clarkb: that's probably more fun | 23:12 |
| jeblair | chili++ | 23:12 |
| clarkb | the real fun doesnt start until tomorrow morning when I roast the peppers and brown the meat | 23:14 |
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