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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: zuul required a restart due to network outages. If your change is not listed on http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ and is missing results, please issue a 'recheck'.07:13
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openstackgerritKairat Kushaev proposed openstack/glance: Fix bug Swift ACL which disappears on Glance v1 images  https://review.openstack.org/32058809:28
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openstackgerritNiall Bunting proposed openstack/glance: test_update_disallowed_attributes not working correctly  https://review.openstack.org/31616813:37
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openstackgerritIhar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/python-glanceclient: help: fixed grammar in image-download command description  https://review.openstack.org/32218413:44
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tsymanczyknikhil : rosmaita : good morning! for the weekly community images sync : received a lot of great feedback on the spec and tried to incorporate what i could. the biggest open questions still seem to be 1) how internally going forward glance wants to represent bookmarking and membership if they should share an internal mechanism or what 2) why the old etherpad16:03
tsymanczykhad decided to wipe the membership list on transition to public and whether or not that's a desirable thing to day 3) what to do about the backwards compatibility behaviour versus separating the state transition to shared and adding a member such that the sharing workflow and community workflows match. regarding the code i've decided that (at least locally16:03
tsymanczykif not bubbled up to gerrit) the smart thing to do would be to break it up into at least two commits where the first commit does nothing but alter the database schema to remove the is_public (if possible without changing v1 code as per rosmaita) and add the visibility column / all other behaviour identical.16:03
tsymanczykhello run on sentences.16:03
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nikhiltsymanczyk: m reading16:06
nikhiltsymanczyk: rosmaita on vacation due long weekend + another week :)16:06
nikhiltsymanczyk: just us for now16:06
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tsymanczykcool16:06
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nikhiltsymanczyk: frankly, I didn't get much chance to look how we can preserve back compart and yet incorporate bookmarking changes. but I think for now 3) is what we should go with what's on the spec until a conclusion comes? (not sure how much of effort that is for you -- feature wise openstack needs a quite a bit of revisions)16:11
nikhiltsymanczyk: I agree to split that in various commits16:11
nikhiltsymanczyk: but I think the commits can be divided as #1 is_public removal #2 community sharing #3 bookmarking (member changes on the change in sharing model on that image)16:12
nikhiltsymanczyk: does that help?16:12
tsymanczyknikhil that does help, yes. breaking it up into the 3 commits you've laid out makes a lot of sense, and is the reason i said "at least two" / except for now the DB schema change was the only one i was sure i wanted to isolate. not having a conclusion for any of the open questions is not a big a deal for the 1st commit / schema change. so for now nothing is16:15
tsymanczykblocking me from making progress.16:15
nikhiltsymanczyk: that's great news16:16
nikhiltsymanczyk: I looked at the comments on the spec and nothing seems to be a showstopper atm16:16
nikhiltsymanczyk: the above 3 conceptual question are what's missing from the scope iiuc?16:16
nikhiltsymanczyk: and that's mostly on us to converge upon?16:17
nikhiltsymanczyk: from the looks of it -- I think we are on a safe ground to accept this spec during the soft freeze jun 15th, and action item on me for next week to research the bookmarking backend.16:19
tsymanczyknikhil: that is my understanding, yes. enough people have weighed in with doubts concerns or questions such that i think serious thought and discussion still needs to happen on those points. idk that i have sufficient scope of knowledge to push any of them further on my own, but i will strive to stay on top of them and contribute what i can.16:20
tsymanczyknikhil: fantastic.16:20
nikhiltsymanczyk: can you link me line # of those serious ones?16:21
tsymanczyk#3 -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271019/17/specs/newton/approved/glance/community_visibility.rst@33216:23
nikhiltsymanczyk: I see most questions around the bookmarking stuff or one that includes the member list on an image16:23
tsymanczyker no16:23
tsymanczykthat's #2 ^^^16:23
tsymanczykalthough a lot of context for that discussion came up when you myself and rosmaita irc'd about it a few days ago16:24
tsymanczyk#1 was mostly in that same irc chat as well. the references in the spec are mostly calling out how community images will implement bookmarking by piggy backing on current image sharing semantics.16:25
nikhiltsymanczyk: noted, looks like we need to clean up bookmarking. I'm just thinking if we come up with the right bookmarking logic, many of those issues are resolved..16:28
tsymanczyk#3 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271019/17/specs/newton/approved/glance/community_visibility.rst@37716:29
nikhiltsymanczyk: yeah, that one is tricky :)16:29
tsymanczykin this case i think most of the discussion is captured in the review comments. i think there was some off channel stuff but nothing ... i don't want to say significant. nothing that diverges terribly from what's there.16:29
nikhilcool16:29
tsymanczyknikhil : agreed on both counts. there's a nice solution out there, we just need to find it.16:30
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nikhiltsymanczyk: there are a few places where we can under–engineer, I think. anyway, I am saying that in the context of getting a good bookmarking experience.16:34
nikhilfor instance, we prolly need to ignore the case of community->public->community16:34
nikhilif an operator is publishing image as a public and following the contract on support16:35
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nikhilthen it would be less likely to mark it community later on16:35
nikhiland even if they manage to get that done, people would be less likely to use something that's community16:36
nikhilif people use it, they would have a good reason to do so16:36
nikhilthen they wouldn't mind bookmarking again16:36
tsymanczykoohhh, good point. it had not occurred to me that an owner can communitize but only an admin can publicize. it seemed like a much bigger problem with the misunderstanding that a regular owner can just "do" that.16:36
nikhiltsymanczyk: only admin can publicize by default glance policy shipped16:37
nikhiltsymanczyk: there may be few places when owner can publicize but we shouldn't develop for them as they are non-standard16:37
nikhilhope that gives a better context of where I'm at :)16:39
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tsymanczyknikhil: my one concern in that regard is to ensure that if transitioning to public wipes the membership list, that there is a reason for it. rosmaita could not recall why the etherpad is that way. if that's the best way then great let's do it that way - otherwise i don't know why -> public is getting special treatment.16:40
tsymanczyknikhil : that absolutely makes sense.16:40
nikhiltsymanczyk: * https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-glance-image-sharing16:41
nikhil and line # ?16:41
tsymanczykhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glance-v2-community-image-visibility-design#Transitions is what i was referring to. or was that a separate question?16:42
tsymanczykheh, that's clearly a wiki not an etherpad my bad.16:43
nikhiltsymanczyk: no, thx for link16:43
nikhiltsymanczyk: i asked caz u said etherpad16:43
tsymanczyknikhil : as far as i can tell, if we remove wipe membership list on public, then state transitions will never affect membership lists / everything is simple.16:44
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nikhiltsymanczyk: the only reason I can think of right now is *strangeness* being introduced with member-list on public images.16:48
nikhiltsymanczyk: as we can't add or delete image members on public images. so, we will have a list of members on the image that are stuck or other who are not on the image and are still stuck.16:48
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nikhiltsymanczyk: if nothing else, let's adjourn early?16:53
tsymanczyknikhil: that's all i had, appreciate all the help. have a good day.16:54
nikhiltsymanczyk: have a good one yourself. feel free to ping before friday if anything comes up. thanks for keep pushing forward!16:55
nikhil(yesterday's meeting was so tensed I used convene instead of adjourn, lol)16:55
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/glance_store: Remove verbose option from glance_store tests  https://review.openstack.org/31755617:12
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-glanceclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/32171819:24
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